I suspect they don’t live in rural areas

March 16th, 2014 at 5:44 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Several groups including the Salvation Army and Healthwatch said that New Zealand should set a long-term goal of banning any drinking before driving.

Which may work for people who live close to bars, but would mean people in country areas could never go out to dinner and have a wine with dinner.

Personally I think it is silly to say that it should be a criminal offence to drive after having a glass of wine with dinner.

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40 Responses to “I suspect they don’t live in rural areas”

  1. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    All my girls agree with you David! :)

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  2. contheneo (27 comments) says:

    Surely if you set an actual limit of zero breath alcohol, what would happen to those who take some cough mixture then drive down the road and get stopped, or someone who uses a mouth wash with alcohol then gets stopped? Surely something low but not zero would be better, if we decided to take their advice.

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  3. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    I always pop some cough mixture and flush my mouth with alcoholic Listerine before going out to chat up my Ladies! :)

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  4. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    So the plan is prohibition for those who drive – the lowering of the blood alcohol level is just the first step to making the zero option for those under 20 the standard for all.

    With a zero free level for drivers diminishing consumption at licensed premises there will be fewer places where people can drink.

    As the real interest of the two groups is not reducing the level of drink driving but reducing access to alcohol, the next move would be denying access to those under 20 to supermarket alcohol, then getting alcohol out of supermarkets – as per their transport model.

    With fewer licensed outlets (higher prices), and fewer places to buy for home use (reduced access) – then the final measure. A ban on advertising and increased taxation to raise price and with a stated goal to diminish alcohol use to the level for smoking. Perhaps by banning the consumption of alcohol in homes where there are children.

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  5. OneTrack (3,108 comments) says:

    At what point will it be when the public at large decides that the law is an ass and can be ignored?

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  6. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    The Sallies should start by putting their own house in order and stop payments to settle paedophile scandals.
    Fuck off you wowsers!

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  7. fredinthegrass (273 comments) says:

    I’m enjoying a glass of Pinot Gris with friends and plan on driving home. We are in a rural area so walking is not an option. Am I expected to cycle? A bloody sight more risky than driving!! What are these wankers thinking!!

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  8. JeffW (326 comments) says:

    Fred, they are thinking of how to makes themselves more important and gain more tax dollars.
    This rubbish is why we need to reduce tax rates.

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  9. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Jesus. If we let these fuckin wowsers take over much more of our lives than they already have it won’t be safe having a bloody cold glass of milk with your mates soon! :)

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  10. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    Gone off the Salvation Army since they started parroting the Poverty meme. I used to donate every year, not a penny more.

    One Track: ‘when will people decide the law is an ass… do whatever they want to do…’

    Um, do you live in NZ? This is already the situation.

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  11. Chuck Bird (4,890 comments) says:

    The Sallies should stay out of politics. I did the Tongariro Crossing last weekend. We stayed at National Park and afterwards thought it would be nice to have dinner at the Skotel 16 km away. We had one bottle of wine between 4 of us. That is 175-200 ml. We were considering ordering another bottle but choose not to. It was not because of the new limit which is not in place yet.

    Under the proposal of the Sallies I would have got 50 demerits and a $200 fine. This is not rational. Will save no lives and will mean when the Sallies ask for money in the pub they will get none from me and I hope many others.

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  12. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    That means a Catholic priest won’t be able to drive after saying Mass, either, as Catholic priests have to drink red wine during the Mass in order for a valid Eucharistic Sacrifice.

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  13. prosper (167 comments) says:

    No smoking, no gambling, no soft drinks, no fast food, put on your bike helmet, put on your life jacket, don’t smack your child, no alcohol. Save us from the saviours.

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  14. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    I used to donate when their little Ladies in the bonnets, tight skirts and stockings used to pop into the St.George back in 69. :) Starting to go off the bastards I must admit!

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  15. nasska (11,526 comments) says:

    Won’t someone think of the children!

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  16. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Most of the Priests I ever met were alcoholics Lucy. I put it down to suppressed sexuality, so maybe it’s not a bad idea in their case! :)

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  17. beautox (422 comments) says:

    Well I think it’s time for a campaign to ban brass instruments from being played in the street. I have a long time hatred for the Sally Army fuckers – when I was young they used to come and play their stupid tunes outside my house early on a Sunday morning. Idiots who think the imaginary man in the sky wants to organize things in a pseudo-military way. What complete plonkers.

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  18. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ nasska (9,161 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 7:55 pm
    Won’t someone think of the children!

    They don’t have to think of the children, most them can’t see over the steering wheel to try driving, so their alcohol level isn’t a problem…

    and…

    And as far as the priests are concerned, we prefer if they don’t think of our children.

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  19. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Indeed nasska. A lot less rural children will be conceived to go on to worthwhile lives ploughing and winnowing if rural folk cannot get together and drink alcohol in huge quantities! :)

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  20. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    No one has given one up you till I just did Lucy!! :) :)

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  21. nasska (11,526 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Like most public bars the watering hole I used to frequent long ago was visited every Friday evening by the Sallies hawking the Warcry & drumming up the donations we paid as insurance against when we would turn into skid row alkies.

    One of my fellow pissheads was a pain in the arse whose long suffering wife left him a few months before. For some reason the Sallie duo got an idea in their heads that he was likely to top himself & for weeks I got quizzed as to his mental state.

    One night it was time to spring the trap….the deserted one had finally managed to convince some desperate woman to let him cook dinner for her & have a few drinks at his place. He had gone home real early & when I was interrogated about his health I must have given the impression that he’d gone home to do himself in.

    The Sallies ran out of the bar then wheel spun their Vauxhall Viva in their haste to make the save. Apparently on arrival Sister Anna tripped over a pile of timber & split her shin. Romeo’s date departed & instead of playing hide the sausage he spent the next hour or so stemming blood & making cups of tea for the injured.

    Was I in the shit next Friday…..they bloody near shoved the collection box up my nose & it took a hard earned green note to semi placate them.

    And after all that they ignored me for the next five years. :)

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  22. Flyingkiwi9 (54 comments) says:

    Where is the evidence that driving after a glass of one even causes accidents?

    Stupid logic based on emotions.

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  23. Mobile Michael (452 comments) says:

    Worse than that Lucia, the parishoners who had a sip of communion wine would also be walking. Just cause the Sallies in uniform don’t drink doesn’tmean the rrest of the world has to give up as well.

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  24. tedbear (145 comments) says:

    Just ban cars.
    Get all ya booze delivered from the savings.
    The Sallies will provide transport for all other activities.

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  25. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    Big academia and Big Health will both jump on board and both National and Labour will support this idea one way or another. The government supports minority views no matter how fucken stupid the idea.

    But we’ll call it what it is – The State. Totalatarianism.

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  26. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    i think the govt needs to do something real evil. give these morons something real to protest against so they dont spend their time chipping away at dimes freedom every other minute

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  27. wf (442 comments) says:

    And no-one’s mentioned what the breweries will think of this idea.

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  28. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    They should define “before”.

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  29. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    God this brings back fond memories of pissed F wits
    going air borne on country roads in NZ

    People with a beer in the hand while driving

    Beer bottles being thrown half full out of Car windows

    They film all this stuff and play it on Aus TV
    so they can roll around on the floor laughing at all the Murrys

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  30. georgebolwing (854 comments) says:

    I am very concerned that suggesting that the use of the cohesive powers of the state to stop people enjoying themselves is becoming way too common in political discourse in New Zealand.

    As far as I know, there is no evidence to suggest that zero alcohol consumption is required to achieve any desirable objectives.

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  31. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    No smoking, no gambling, no soft drinks, no fast food, put on your bike helmet, put on your life jacket, don’t smack your child, no alcohol. Save us from the saviours.

    Except cocaine. Legalise that!

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  32. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

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  34. rightofleftcentre (77 comments) says:

    For many people, especially women, who clear alcohol much slower than men, this would mean no drinking the night before going to work/dropping the kids off at school.

    Simply absurd.
    But when did common sense ever factor into social engineering….

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  35. Ed Snack (1,873 comments) says:

    But Ben, you have to hold the beer in your hand, otherwise it would spill every time you went round a decent corner…

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  36. Nigel Kearney (1,014 comments) says:

    I guess the reasoning is that once you have one drink, you may not be able to stop, and if you have driven your car there you are probably going to drive it home as well. Remember that people like the Sallies deal with the weakest and most pathetic specimens of humanity on a daily basis. That’s no excuse for completely losing perspective and treating everyone like an idiot but it is an explanation. For similar reasons, doctors and police tend to be terrible politicians.

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  37. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    So before driving, to be absolutely safe, you might have to have a 48 hour stand down from a night on the turps? Nuts.

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  38. cas (39 comments) says:

    I live 7km out of town and there is No public transport home from a pub visit. I think the Sallies should get into the business of courtesy shuttles if they want to go down this track.

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  39. Miritu (30 comments) says:

    Alcohol Healthwatch Trust is a defacto branch of the Ministry of Health, who provide 96% of their funding ($679000 of $709000 for 2013). They no longer need public donations, as you, the taxpayer, is their main donor. Is this good use of taxpayer funds?

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  40. Tauhei Notts (1,715 comments) says:

    Miritu,
    I thought that Key’s people were getting rid of these bludgers.

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