Jones lashes Norman

March 13th, 2014 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The bad blood between and the Greens continues. 3 News reports:

Labour’s attempt to muzzle its outspoken MP, Shane Jones, has lasted less than a day.

Mr Jones was told off by his leader for comparing Green MP Gareth Hughes to a screeching bird.

Today he took a shot at Green co-leader , saying he will not be lectured on the environment by an Australian.

Seemingly to prove he cannot be silenced, he let rip at Dr Norman, extending the anti-Australian attack he has used against Countdown to the Australian-born MP.

“I’m not going to have an Australian running the New Zealand Green Party, lecturing me about environment and economics in the north,” says Mr Jones.

And Norman hits back:

Dr Norman launched a counter-attack, accusing Mr Jones of copying Prime Minster John Key.

“The Prime Minister does it quite a lot; he’s also very critical of migrants,” says Dr Norman. “It turns out a part of the Labour Party doesn’t like migrants either. Every time Mr Jones opens his mouth the Green Party vote goes up, so I encourage Mr Jones to speak out.”

I’m not sure comparing Shane Jones to John Key is a great way to attack him. Incidentally never known the PM to be critical of migrants. I think Russel is projecting that the PM enjoys being told he must protect New Zealanders from Australian foreign investment, by someone with a thick Australian accent.

Mr Jones tried to be a team player, telling 3 News he had “to go and deal with the boredom of tax legislation”, but could not resist driving another wedge between Labour and the Greens.

“I like what David Cunliffe said on our behalf yesterday – Winston first.”

Long may the growing war between Labour and Green MPs continue.

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60 Responses to “Jones lashes Norman”

  1. jp_1983 (213 comments) says:

    It looks like my prediction of Jones being expelled from caucus might ring true

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  2. tvb (4,422 comments) says:

    Norman has had an easy ride with his nasty personal attacks holier than thou attitudes and his hard left/anti business views.

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  3. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Can you buy tickets to this fight?

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  4. alloytoo (543 comments) says:

    Is Norman confusing the PM with Winston the First?

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  5. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    is there any jelly involved in this fight

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  6. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “….It would appear Shane that swinging Nats/Lab voters no longer exist as a species in NZ…..” – Dr Norman. :cool:

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  7. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    The Jolly Swagman versus The Grumpy Wanker at Wrestlemania 30 next month? Maybe a steel cage match, and hide plenty of fold-up chairs under the ring.

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  8. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    The Greens experiencing their “zero leverage” problem again. You would have thought these screeching sqwarkers would have learned that from last time.

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  9. Crusader (314 comments) says:

    “someone with a thick Australian accent.”

    a theek eccent.

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  10. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    I look forward to Jones channelling the PM and asking,” when will the Greens start being honest with NZ public”.

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  11. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    This is fantastic. The Greens being called out for what they are by someone in Labour, so those misguided Greens supporters might actually listen.

    As for Jones, this is either a cunning stunt thought up by him and Silent T (giving them way too much credit there) or this is the start of his departure from the Labour Party. When he came out and said he didn’t hide any of his donors in the leadership race, I thought something was up, and that comment means this most likely isn’t a well thought out plan.

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  12. Bovver (173 comments) says:

    Ha ha the hits just keep on coming for DC, I bet he thought he had some breathing room with Crusher making the headlines this week, I think Shane hates the Watermelons almost as much as Winston First, so sad to see the Watermelons dreams of getting their hands on the levers of power turning to dust.

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  13. jonnobanks (148 comments) says:

    so glad Jones isnt the leader or else Labour may have had a chance.

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  14. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Of course, Norman isn’t just an Australian, he’s a communist Australian.

    A recently published book entitled “The Union’s War’ (I think) detailed how the Victorian Painters and Dockers Union sabotaged the war effort during WW2. When American forces were arriving by sea, their aircraft spare parts were unloaded by Ocker wharfies who made sure that spare aero engines were accidentally dropped from a great height and smashed.

    This practice ceased when the Yanks sent a couple of master sergeants down to the wharves to accidentally discharge their Thomson machine guns in the direction of the commie wharfies.

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  15. OneTrack (3,104 comments) says:

    ” Incidentally never known the PM to be critical of migrants.”

    No, but that doesn’t stop Norman making shit up. And will our intrepid MSM call him out on it? Stupid question.

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  16. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    Adolf: Great story…is it true? ( I can believe the first limb, but not so sure about the second..if the yanks did that I would have expected the Aussie grunts upset that the yanks were there in the first place [overpaid, oversexed, and over here] to retaliate.)

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  17. annie (539 comments) says:

    And neither 3 News nor the Greens’ demagogue knows what a mollyhawk is – not just a screeching albatross, but a gull with the frenzied corpse-eating habits of a hyena.

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  18. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Just a friendly banter between the partners. Nothing to worry about. Moving on…National is exploding with all scandals. Better concentrate on saving National….

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  19. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    DG

    I understand it is. Have only seen extracts on the net but the book itself would make a good read.

    Apparently these same charming chaps pulled on a strike when the aircraft carrier carrying freed Aussie POWs from Changi and similar places arrived in Melbourne. As a result, the poor buggers and their families were kept waiting two days before they could be reunited.

    Such is the proud history from which Mr Norman is hewn.

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  20. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    Sir Cullen: Do you seriously believe what you write? Surely not… Is the oriental at the centre of the current Liu scandal any relation to the one Shane Jones let in despite his officials warning him strongly that “Bill Liu” was a crook and had several identities?

    (Yes yes, I once had at least the means to be known by two names…contradiction realised…)

    Adolf: Yes, I am aware of the “proud” history of the Victorian painters and dockers…lead at one time by “Putty Nose Nelson”…responsible for several disappearances of unionists he didn’t like…Funny we have never had that here…FP Walsh was probably the closest…and he was a boy compared with Putty Nose and his mates…

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  21. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    DG/AF,
    I recently read a biography of the labour prime minister of Australia in WWII, John Curtin.

    Part of his problem was the Australian unions going on strike at the drop of a hat, (and it happened here in NZ too!) and generally when supplies were needed in in interesting places like the Kokoda Trail and elsewhere in PNG.

    The diggers in those places were not happy with the conduct of their countrymen and I believe expressed their displeasure when they returned to Australia.

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  22. sealegs (3 comments) says:

    The story about the POWs is definitly true, I remmember reading about it a while back.

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  23. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Sir Cullen appears to be a parody but unfortunately stopped being funny after about 3 comments

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  24. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Every time DPF says “lashes” (as in, “so-and-so lashes so-and-so”…) I can’t help picturing a really kinked scene involving the two parties named and some bondage gear including a whip.

    In this particular case, Jones Lashes Norman isn’t pretty at all. Kaye lashes Ardern I could cope with.

    I wish he’d stop it… ;-)

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  25. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    Adolf and DG — I believe the book Adolf refers to was written by a West Australian guy and it came out late last year or very early this year. Apparently it is very well researched and absolutely true.

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  26. Bovver (173 comments) says:

    Sir Cullen is determined to keep the Red Flag flying even in the face of the inevitable breakdown between the Fabians and the Watermelons, keep fighting the good fight sir…..

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  27. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    EDIT: It was Putty Nose NICHOLLS (Relying on memory and not checking with Mr Google)…Nelson was another villain in the Federated Ship Painters and Dockers Union…. A union responsible – Mr Google says – for at least 15 murders and 23 attempted killings…

    Does anyone know where in “Ost-raya” Red Russel comes from? It wouldn’t be Victoria would it?

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  28. TMC (75 comments) says:

    I love how Norman paints people with such a wide brush for making any sort of comments or criticism – very Karl Rove of him.

    So now Jones doesn’t care about the environment and doesn’t like migrants – full stop? Really? How does he draw such a conclusion?

    I’d think even Green members might have an issue with that sort of tactic. If it catches on, it only stifles debate since you just dismiss any sort of dissent.

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  29. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    DG — here is a review of the book.

    http://quadrant.org.au/shop/books/australias-secret-war-unions-sabotaged-troops-world-war-ii/

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  30. pidge (56 comments) says:

    And here’s an article on the book http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/unions-exposed-as-war-saboteurs/story-fni0cwl5-1226751793596, with summaries of extracts:

    At one point in 1942 a US Army colonel became so frustrated at the refusal of Townsville wharfies to load munitions unless paid quadruple time, he ordered his men to throw the unionists into the water and load the guns themselves.

    In Adelaide, American soldiers fired sub-machine guns at wharfies deliberately destroying their aircraft engines by dropping them from great heights. Australian soldiers had to draw bayonets to stop the same Adelaide wharfies from stealing food meant for troops overseas.

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  31. David Garrett (7,278 comments) says:

    Thanks Ross…

    Where’s the all knowing Judith when she’s wanted?

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  32. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “It turns out a part of the Labour Party doesn’t like migrants either.”

    unlike the gweens. they love everybody! even them chinese!

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  33. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    The centre-right is going to have their own, similar problems when it comes to the Con Party, you do realise? According to the Ian Wishart Investigrunt puff piece “True Blue” back in February, Colin Craig is having an attack of the yeah/nahs when it comes to getting into (metaphorical!!!) coalition/”bed” with National (and ACT. And United Future- Peter Dunne has implied that his overfamiliarity with their ex-Kiwi Party apparatchiks has bred abundant contempt on his part, and I can’t say that I blame him at all! And as for the Maori Party, there’s something called the Treaty of Waitangi in this context as well.) Incompatibility is in the eye of the beholder.

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  34. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    wineguy – you’re comparing this full on fight to something that may happen in the future if a party who polls at 1% gets a seat and national need them to form a govt? umm cool. thanks for that observation.

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  35. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    the Aussie grunts upset that the yanks were there in the first place [overpaid, oversexed, and over here] to retaliate.)

    Running street battles in Brisbane, riots in Townsville, Rockhampton and Mount Isa and the Melbourne riots in 1942, the battle of Bondi in 1943, the battles of Perth and Fremantle in April 1944.

    http://www.ozatwar.com/ozatwar/bob.htm

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  36. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    I agree that Norman is again way off the mark in saying Key is anti-migrant. I’ve never heard the PM say anything xenophobic. But it sounds more and more like Shane Jones is angling to replace Winston Peters to me. Attacking Norman for his country of birth isn’t fair either. We need to be encouraging immigrants to assimilate, not encouraging separatism, even for Aussies. Call Norman out for being a Commie by all means, but stay away from low-blow Winton style immigrant bashing.

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  37. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “We need to be encouraging immigrants to assimilate, not encouraging separatism, even for Aussies. Call Norman out for being a Commie by all means, but stay away from low-blow Winton style immigrant bashing.”

    I dunno. If i went back to live in aussie, I wouldnt expect to be allowed into parliament

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  38. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    This anti-Aus polliticing from Shane ‘Porno’ Jones is truly pathetic. Rusty is a Kiwi citizen, just like Donghua Liu is.

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  39. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Russell Normans bio does seem a bit scant. Some digging should be in order. I see one of his Aussie Comrades Senator Lee OGorman has recently been outed as attend the Lenin School in Moscow, a known training ground for communist subversives

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  40. ShawnLH (5,063 comments) says:

    I still say Jones has an angle here that Cunliffe is not in on.

    I’m smelling BBQ.

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  41. Red (9 comments) says:

    I’m loving this posturing from all sides… (well, most sides.) But I’m getting through a power of Popcorn! I note, this morning the Standard Blog featured no less than 7 Photo’s of John Key, so big up’s to them for the great campaigning they’re doing on his behalf. lol…. zero new policy mentions …. just lots about the Nats & grafittied pics of Key x7 – and Collins x3 – and Amy Adams x1.

    @all-on-red (above)…. here’s some scant bio on Norman Rustle – from wikipedia (I think that entry has had a clean out recently…)

    “worked a number of unskilled roles after dropping out of medical school. Norman moved to New Zealand in 1997 saying this was to observe the red-green Alliance coalition. He wrote his political science PhD thesis on the Alliance, and was active within the party editing its party newsletter. Whilst living in Australia, Norman was involved with the Socialist Workers’ Party (a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist organisation) for several years”

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  42. Dave_1924 (116 comments) says:

    I love left wing fratricide
    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/03/13/why-shane-is-wrong-about-the-greens/
    Martyn lambasting Shane…. lovely

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  43. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    David Garrett – Let me clarify (all National supporters here are annoyed because I keep telling the truth):

    1. Judith Collins Milkgate

    2. Dinnergate

    3. Now the citizenship issue

    More things coming out like this and John Key will be history.

    Not a good look brothers, not a good luck….nobody now talks about Cunliffe’s trusts…only these three issues top the agenda!!!

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  44. greenjacket (465 comments) says:

    “The Prime Minister does it quite a lot; he’s also very critical of migrants”
    Russell Norman really is a lair – so much for the Greens saying they treat their opponents with respect and avoid personal attacks.

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  45. Steve (North Shore) (4,562 comments) says:

    Shane Jones,
    Just go buy a Tibetan Flag, give it to Wussle in the House and tell him to piss off now he has his flag

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  46. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Shane Jones continues to tell the truth and appeal to working class voters.

    I predicted a year ago that Labour would give the greens a harsh kicking pre-election and so it has happened.

    The greens have nowhere else to go, no cards to play. They’re like a battered wife.

    I don’t see a downside for Labour.

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  47. itstricky (1,831 comments) says:

    How about that Collins, then? Nudge nudge wink wink

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  48. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    Good on Jones.
    It seems to be very easy, in fact too easy to become a kiwi.

    How come the American in the gweens is an MP as well.

    We just roll over for anyone.

    And it has nothing to do with racism.

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  49. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    Wiseowl,

    NZ is the ultimate country of immigrants. Even the Maori have only been here a few hundred years. We need to make that a strength, not encourage multiculturalism or even biculturalism that excludes migrants from feeling accepted and leads us down the road many European countries have taken. Having migrants involved in the governing of the country, feeling committed to NZ is vital to avoiding the European fate of ethnic enclaves. Also why shouldn’t tax paying citizens who have committed to spending their lives in this country not have the right to have a voice in how it is governed?

    I strongly disagree with Norman and Julie-Anne Genter (the American Green MP) but they have just as much right to serve in Parliament as John Key, the son of an immigrant himself.

    And by the way, it is not that easy to become a Kiwi citizen. It takes many years, thousands of dollars and major effort on the part of the migrant.

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  50. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Yesterday Shame, sorry Shane, Jones was told to pull his head in by the boss, now today attacks on Russell Norman and Judith Collins. ?? He seems to have the bit between the teeth, but the real question is, who is encouraging this? I’d say we’re seeing the ‘Waitakere Man caucus’ re-emerging from within Labour (Damian O’Connor and Clayton Cosgrove et al). Maybe this is a lurch towards reclaiming traditional Labour?

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  51. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    R&L.
    So how long have wussel and gender been here?

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  52. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    Norman came in the 90s I think. Genter came over in 2006, same time as I did. It takes 5 years as a permanent resident to become a citizen, same as the US and longer than for Australia. It isn’t about how long they’ve been here, it’s about making a commitment to this country, having a stake in its future long-term. You will often find immigrants are among the most patriotic people because they don’t take their citizenship for granted and can appreciate how lucky they are to live in this country.

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  53. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    speaking of useless green leaders.

    what happened to the one who lives in a castle? awol since it screamed racism..

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  54. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    To reverse the famous Piggy quote, Norman’s immigration lowered the IQ of both countries

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  55. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    Sorry ,I don’t think someone who came here in 2006 should be eligible to become an MP in this country.

    To understand NZ and ‘feel’ NZ it takes more than 6 years.

    The rules need to be changed.
    I bet we are out on our own with pathetic requirements/qualifications.

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  56. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    No we are not out on our own. Citizen means citizen in most every free western democracy. The US has an age qualification, 25 for Congress and 35 for the Senate, but no rule against immigrant citizens serving. Also 2006 was 8 years ago.

    It may depend on your age at time of immigration. I was basically a kid when I came over, but when I visit the US now it feels like a foreign country, while arriving back in NZ feels like coming home.

    Immigrants make up 25% of the population now, so barring them from government isn’t going to be feasible or desirable for a unified society.

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  57. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    It appears obvious that Shane has a plan. Not sure what that plan is but it seems to be gathering quite a lot of appreciation from a wide spectrum, frankness of opinion being a rare quality in politicians.

    It doesn’t hurt that Russel is rather irritating to many with his patronising and moralistic tone presented with a rather nasal voice. Shallow it may be but appearances matter in politics.

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  58. Sonny Blount (1,782 comments) says:

    I haven’t noticed anybody talking about banning immigrants from standing in respect to Norman and Genter.

    It’s more the fact a recently arrived Australian Communist lecturing NZers with xenophobic rhetoric such as buy Kiwi made can fuck off please.

    Same with Genter. She is an ignorant twat and should bugger off for that reason.

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  59. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    I was responding to Wiseowl, who is saying exactly that, arguing the rules should be changed to bar newer citizens from standing for Parliament. And Norman isn’t recently arrived, he’s been here at least 16 years. I’ve met Genter back in uni and had some real debates with her back then. I don’t want to see her get her hands on transport in this country nor Norman getting anywhere near finance. But attacking them for being migrants is intellectually lazy. I said the same thing when some on the left attacked John Palino for being an American immigrant.

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  60. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    David Garrett
    It is interesting that when my old man got back from europe in 45 the first thing he saw was some wharfies sheltering from the rain.

    Even though he was a strong union man he hated the wharfies with a passion and could never understand why they were not called up to the army to work as wharfies.

    Three months in the glass house would tame any wharfie, a Thompson, bugger that he would have used a 50 Cal in Melbourne.

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