Jones v taniwha

March 3rd, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Another good quote from Shane Jones:

A couple have been told to apply to 14 different iwi to keep the water running to their home.

Brent and Jennifer Tassell will need approval to renew resource consent on a bore hole that has been operating for 10 years, supplying water to eight Puhoi homes.

The bore draws water from 305m underground and is the only source of water for the properties in Slowater Lane, on the northern outskirts of greater Auckland.

“It’s a hole in the ground that’s been there for 10 years,” said Jennifer. “It’s completely over the top for our situation.”

Under the draft Auckland Unitary Plan, all applicants for resource consent for new or existing developments must apply to iwi for them to assess whether it would have an adverse effect on mana whenua.

Taking or using groundwater is on the list of activities that could have a cultural impact, so iwi may insist on a cultural impact assessment – at the applicant’s cost.

Applicants may also have to foot the bill for the “costs of engagement” in the process.

The Tassells will meet Labour MP , who has been vocal in his disagreement with iwi approval rules.

He warned the new lacked safeguards.

“Maori heritage, while it’s important, it must never be used as a basis for divisiveness – and I fear that’s a consequence in this case,” he said.

Iwi should not be allowed to intervene to “test whether there’s a down a 10-year-old bore”.

What a great quote. Any other MP saying it would probably get bashed, but Jones can get away with it.

Jones has transformed himself from one of the laziest Labour MPs to one of the most effective. It is great to see.

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55 Responses to “Jones v taniwha”

  1. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Why not just drill the hole and tell the Taniwha and Maori to go and get fucked?

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  2. tas (625 comments) says:

    Jones is trying to single handedly save Labour and is doing a good job.

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  3. Ashley Schaeffer (487 comments) says:

    Pay the required bribe koha just to keep the water on. Welcome to 21st century New Zealand.

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  4. James Stephenson (2,180 comments) says:

    Why not just drill the hole and tell the Taniwha and Maori to go and get fucked

    The hole has been there for ten years. Can’t argue with the second part of the question though.

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  5. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    Jones is setting himself up to roll Cunliffe after the election – so much for the two election strategy, Dave

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  6. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Thank goodness we have the Auckland Super City.

    So much new efficiency.

    No loss of accountability.

    No reduction in service.

    Good show. GREAT show.

    Just give it to the Maori ™ – you know they deserve it.

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  7. dirty harry (489 comments) says:

    “Taking or using groundwater is on the list of activities that could have a cultural impact, so iwi may insist on a cultural impact assessment – at the applicant’s cost.”

    What a crock of shit and a fuckin rort. How long before we say enough is enough? What the fucks this country coming to?

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  8. Fox (206 comments) says:

    “Any other MP saying it would probably get bashed, but Jones can get away with it.”

    Which is nothing to be gleeful about, but in fact a sad reflection of the current level of political-correctness in this country.

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  9. lolitasbrother (698 comments) says:

    I agree with Biog Bruv, above
    ” Why not just …tell the Taniwha and Maori to go and get fucked?”

    It is very interesting, in that while while Cunliffe puts out meaningless slogans, Jones is doing things.
    Here is a slogan question from Cunliffe facebook yesterday

    ” Do you think every New Zealand kid should get the best start in life yes /no ”
    jeez Wayne
    Cunliffe gets worser and worser

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  10. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    Is in fact Shane Jones starting to sound Winston Light

    Only in opposition I should think

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  11. beautox (422 comments) says:

    I think these Iwis should have to demonstrate that they have a robust, scientific test for taniwha, and prove that it’s reliable in blind testing scenarios. That should do the trick. No more taniwha bullshit.

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  12. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    ” Do you think every New Zealand kid should get the best start in life yes /no ”

    The q should be does every New Zealand kid should get the best start in life yes /no ”

    That would be political sincerity… on face value

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  13. flipper (4,067 comments) says:

    Yes David…..

    But there is a message in what he says that National would be silly to ignore.
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    The subliminal message is that “Nanny State” is alive and well under John Key et al.

    In this case, the embedded anti Maori mob will blame them. And Maori power brokers are to blame for the endless rubbish claims that are tolerated by Finlayson.

    There are a raft of other issues raised by NGO but Govt funded gangs … the food Nazis and their anti sugar campaign, Hospital refusing to permit the sale of fizzy drinks on their premises, the long since boring anti smoking Nazis, the dilly 4kph speed tolerance, local body swimming pool Nazis. parking Nazis and so on, all morph into a feeling that National is being excessively risk averse…… and is being driven by its own misguided legislation – and led by outside groups.

    A good kicking of the imaginary problem issues, and the proclivity of Nanny to poke her nose where it is not required/welcome, would do wonders.

    The economic growth and other issues are the major feel good factors. But those Nanny problems eventually killed the Clark/Simpson mob.

    Beware Jonkey et al !!!!

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  14. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Now all Jones has got to do is convince the Judges on the Environment Court, Court of Appeal, and Supreme Court…That should be fairly straightforward…

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  15. Urban_Redneck (87 comments) says:

    Where is our National led government on this issue ? That’s right – they are almost completely beholden to the Mouldi Party (and more so when Banks gets booted) that they turn a blind eye.

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  16. Rick Rowling (813 comments) says:

    and is the only source of water for the properties in Slowater Lane,

    Except for rainwater.

    It would probably cost less to put in a decent rainwater collection & storage system than to pay for the travel, meeting, general bureaucratic troughing required to keen the bore going.

    It still sucks that they have to pay at all, but at least it wouldn’t be feeding the egos & wallets of the Kafkaesque public-teat-sucklers.

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  17. Longknives (4,753 comments) says:

    And NZ (Soon to be the Republic of Aotearoa) slides even further toward becoming the ‘Zimbabwe of the Pacific’…

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  18. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    Nice try Rick Rowling, but they’ll get you on the consent to put in the Rainwater tank. There’s no escaping them this time….

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  19. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    Maybe Shane Jones could lead a new left wing party when Labour splits, and the ‘Greens’ drop below 5%.

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  20. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Urban Redneck: Quite so…which is why it’s vital that either ACT revitalizes itself, or Colin Craig stops getting himself “gotcha’d” by questions beloved of conspiracy theorists…Questions the MSM only put to him to make him look foolish…

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  21. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    Begs the question doesn’t it: what sort of analysis was given to the policy in the Unitary Plan?

    Whomever was responsible for writing and approving these particular sections needs to come clean on the sources they used to put it together, who was consulted and why obvious considerations such as existing or new and size of the development weren’t considered relevant exemptions or special cases where separate, cheaper, fast-track approval or even exclusions would apply.

    If this is an example of said analysis, you have to say it isn’t very good is it. So what does that potentially say about the policies in the rest of the plan?

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  22. unaha-closp (1,165 comments) says:

    The hole has been there for ten years. Can’t argue with the second part of the question though.

    No permit. No insurance. No warranty.

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  23. Ashley Schaeffer (487 comments) says:

    I would be quite happy to pay the Taniwha whatever he was asking for use of his water. I’m sure we could come to some arrangement. What this has got to do with iwis trying to assert themselves as intermediaries, fucked if I know.

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  24. corrigenda (142 comments) says:

    Quote: Except for rainwater.

    I heard on the radio a few years ago about some people wanted to install a rainwater system and were denied consents because they already had a town water supply connected. Probably didn’t want people to get “free” water. No matter what you do today, the Iwi have their hands out.

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  25. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    I really don’t see what the problem with iwi consultation is. 14 iwi equals 14 buckets of KFC as Koha which doesn’t strike me as an onerous planning cost.

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  26. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Hmm
    I see a business opportunity here.
    The Taniwha-o-meter.
    Hook it up to a portable card reader so that once enough zero’s are entered the meter shows a reading in the green range.
    All very scientific.

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  27. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    Under the circumstances Slowater Lane needs to be renamed Browater Lane ……….

    …….and why shouldn’t the various other ethnicities that make make up Auckland not have a say in these matters?

    Afterall we are now on the right side of history and progressive politics dictates absolute ‘equality’ for all , in all matters.

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  28. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    This is actually a bloody serious issue.
    Urban Redneck has asked where is the National Government on this and that is the question that needs to be answered.
    If any of this iwi racist policy gets accepted and confirmed in the Unitary Plan then it is Nationals fault.
    It beats me why they are just prepared to sit back and see the rot continue.See the good hard working people of this country being treated like peasants .
    In actual fact National should step up immediately and stop this dead in its tracks.
    It’s just not good enough.

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  29. s.russell (1,642 comments) says:

    Note that once again Jones is not attacking the Government. He is attacking a different target. Interesting.

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  30. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    wiseowl

    Notional surrendered on race a long time ago (and on a lot of other core conservative values)

    Slowly but surely our constitution has been and is being undermined by racist policy.The permanent political class of Aotearoa ,formerly New Zealand, are not only committed to bi culturalism (whatever that is) but also to multiculturalism (whatever that is).

    Yes you’re right ,it’s bloody serious and not good enough. But it will continue and get worse.

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  31. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (346 comments) says:

    1] Slowater Lane, and Puhoi Close parallel to it, both appear to be fully residential holdings, confined within the elbow of the Puhoi River and unless individually owned by Maori, is unlikely any iwi possession.

    2] Does not the 10 years access already amount to customary use by the parties concerned, or does the fucking Treaty not work in both directions?

    3] Has any one of the 14 iwi said to be involved actually asked to be, or is this just the fucking Auckland City Council being helpful?

    – Comment by Iera on Whaleoil yesterday

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  32. unaha-closp (1,165 comments) says:

    A few years from now when we look back upon the legacy of John Key PM, we’ll have to put “created Auckland Super City” as one of his greatest achievements.

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  33. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    No permit. No insurance. No warranty.

    Beauty, no need to pay premiums!
    I didn’t think you could insure water bores, but hey. Plus the only thing that can really break in them once they’re done is the pump.

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  34. dirty harry (489 comments) says:

    Essential reading…here

    http://1law4all.kiwi.nz/2014/03/02/1law4all-shines-floodlights-on-legalised-corruption/

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  35. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    and to think that Rodney Hide delivered the super city under a national led administration.

    Can you imagine how much worse it’d be under a Labour / Green / Mana administration ?

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  36. Nigel Kearney (1,013 comments) says:

    If any of this iwi racist policy gets accepted and confirmed in the Unitary Plan then it is Nationals fault.
    It beats me why they are just prepared to sit back and see the rot continue

    Then allow me to explain. We have this system called MMP where the Maori party is very likely to be in a position to determine who becomes the next government. Combine that with a Prime Minister who is more concerned with staying in power than doing the right thing, and it is entirely understandable that this sort of thing is allowed to happen.

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  37. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    I understand that Nigel but as I said it has become far too serious an issue for the excuse of MMP or power.
    This is eating at the very core of our society, the very essence of being a New Zealander.

    It is serious enough for a party to say to any minority party , no we will not cross that line.
    If necessary go to the people again.
    I am watching as this country is being shafted and I don’t like it.

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  38. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    This is a recipe for 14 different iwi to demand an unlimited fee so that 8 houses can continue to receive water. This is tantamount to extortion. The Minister for Local Government needs to make comment.

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  39. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    Can National actually do anything about this? I mean isn’t this a local government issue and can the national government change this given that it was put in place by democratically elected officials? Just curious and I don’t know the answer. I hear it a lot in New Zealand “Why doesn’t the Government fix it” but then when the Government does intervene they are either being a “nanny state” or trampling on democracy?

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  40. Odakyu-sen (655 comments) says:

    Let’s see the minutes of the committee meetings where the draft of the Unitary Plan was proposed. I would like to know who is responsible for adding the iwi consultation step into into the process. I would like to examine their rationale, and identify any political agendas involved in the committee’s decision.

    When you get weird decisions being handed down, it’s a good idea to take the cover off the “black box” and have a look inside to see what makes it tick.

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  41. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    “Can National actually do anything about this?”

    They bloody well should. If they’re not going to stand up for private property rights in New zealand then who will?

    Oh wait, national are attacking the private property rights of the tobacco companies,at the behest of who,the Maori Party.

    ….we’re well and truly fucked.

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  42. Dazzaman (1,140 comments) says:

    Welcome to the world of rural/semi-rural living Tassells…….pay up or fuck up.

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  43. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Heh,heh, well you dumb pakeha would go into coalition with a bunch of horis so what did you expect.
    Now what does this old darkie want for his vote ?

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  44. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Well you all think that is a rort. Did ya happen to notice this little threat?

    The sale of the stake in Kaingaroa comes at a time when Maori groups are voicing increasing concern over falling carbon prices.

    Tradeable carbon credits were set up under the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) to encourage the growing of trees to absorb carbon dioxide.

    Last month the Iwi Leadership Forum threatened to lodge a $600 million Treaty of Waitangi claim unless the Government acted quickly to shore up carbon prices, which fell to just 14 cents a tonne in January.

    When the ETS was created in 2008, carbon prices of $25 a tonne were forecast.
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    A spokesman for the iwi leadership group on climate change, Chris Karamea Insley told Radio New Zealand today that one million hectares of Maori land could be planted over the next decade if Government found a way to stimulate carbon prices.

    Now the smart arse Maori who are inthrall of the Taniwha have come a gutser with their theft of forests under Treaty Rewards.
    According to their dope smokin taniwha the mythical one was going to fill their boxes with shekels. According to the Head Taniwha those pine trees were gunna make lots of carbon credits at $25.00 a ton and the Govt. aka the taxpayer was going to express their gratitude with copious amounts of cash largess.

    Unfortunately the head Taniwha has now found that his wand is as useless as a prick in a shirt sleeve and the cash just ain’t gunna roll.

    Not to be phased at all by that the Head Taniwha is going to have a meeting of all the wise Taniwha and threaten to make a claim against the taxpayer for recompense for the loss of the said cash. Aided no doubt by the National socialist Maori Govt.

    Yep its true. Read all about it here.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9784339/Iwi-buy-into-Kaingaroa-Timberlands

    Ah now I know its off the topic of water BUT don’t forget the Head Taniwha and his wise Taniwha mates have a finger in that as well.
    It Never ends.

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  45. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    grumpyoldhori (2,401 comments) says:
    March 3rd, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Heh,heh, well you dumb pakeha would go into coalition with a bunch of horis so what did you expect.
    Now what does this old darkie want for his vote ?

    ====================
    In the good old days we had bullets that did the trick.

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  46. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    Stone Age myth attempting (and succeeding in) stopping progress.
    If enough koha is paid, I can guarantee the imaginary beast will disappear. Let’s call it extortion.

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  47. Dazzaman (1,140 comments) says:

    The fucken crying! LOL.

    Darkies rorting the system like pakeha’s have for…..well, since the start. Now that’s what I call equality.

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  48. OneTrack (3,107 comments) says:

    Anybody got any ideas on why 14 iwi are involved? I was under the impression that in tradional times, a single iwi had control of “their” area. How do the other 13 get in on the act? Or is this another one of Len’s little presents to the rich pricks?

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  49. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    Traditional issues need traditional cultural solutions
    and I feel to cover all cultural issues international sign language is required in this case

    all together Ben Dover and

    Whakaphone

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooning

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  50. Zebulon (114 comments) says:

    Another Maori gravy train

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  51. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE

    NOT MAORI

    BROUGHT ABOUT A CLASS ACTION AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT OF NZ
    UNDER THE BASIS OF THE TREATY OF WAITANGI

    ALL TRIBES NEEDS TO BE RECOGNISED
    EH

    WE CAN PLAY THIS GAME

    YOU WANT TO PLAY THE TREATY ON EVERYTHING LARGE
    AND SMALL BRING IT ON

    ANYONE NZ BORN IS A NATIVE AND COVERED BY THAT DOCUMENT
    SUNSHINE SO SEE YOU ALL IN COURT

    ALL NZ BORN PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO A SHARE OF THE TREATY SETTLEMENTS

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  52. NZpatriot (5 comments) says:

    Again, unfortunately nowadays ‘iwi’ stand for ‘I Want It’.

    And I say that as someone who belongs to two iwi but am totally ashamed of these Mafioso demands and consider the politicians who appease them to be cowards. If we continue down this track one day we will wake up and realise just what a divided nation we have become.

    It must stop now.

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  53. william blake (109 comments) says:

    $7,000 for a $100 brass meter, charges per litre in an per litre out, and water rates, WATERCARE. No taniwha involved. Monkey see monkey do.

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  54. Daigotsu (458 comments) says:

    I can’t wait for Jones to replace Cunliffe as Labour leader so we can go back to Kiwiblog being full of stories about how rubbish he is.

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  55. wreck1080 (3,918 comments) says:

    I sheet the entire debacle to Geoffrey Palmer.

    This is the man who decided that the principles of the treaty of waitangi should be incorporated into national and local body operations.

    That m*****f****er has done more to damage this country than anyone I can think of. His meddlings mean that government meddlings are on the increase even years after he did the original damage.

    Pardon my french, but it makes me mad. Unless I am completely wrong, and it wasn’t him? I read it was though.

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