The Dotcom claim of a sitting electorate MP

March 28th, 2014 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

He repeated his claim that it would be represented in Parliament, whether or not it achieved the 5 per cent MMP threshold for list seats, because a sitting electorate MP would join.

He would not name the person or say which party he or she represented, because of a confidentiality agreement, but it was not Harawira. The MP’s name would be revealed in June.

There are 70 electorate MPs. 42 in National, 22 in Labour, three in Maori Party, and one each in ACT, United Future and Mana. He says it is not Harawira. Well with respect, I’d say the claim is bullshit, and designed to make them seem relevant and undo the damage done from his vow to wind up the party and endorse another if not at 5%.

Banks is not standing again, and neither is Sharples nor Turia. None would be interested anyway, and no way Peter Dunne would do that. Flavell is co-leader of Maori Party and not going to defect to the guy seeking to do a deal with Hone.

So that leaves National and Labour. Dotcom hates John Key and National so it won’t be a National MP. So that leaves the 22 Labour MPs. I know some of them don’t like their leader, but none of them are going to jump ship to Dotcom – for the very simple reason they’d lose their seat. All but a few MPs win their seats because of their party, not because of them.

I guarantee you come June, they will announce the MP has decided not to join. Dotcom has a history of making fantastical claims, and without proof, they should be pretty much ignored.

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51 Responses to “The Dotcom claim of a sitting electorate MP”

  1. mandk (817 comments) says:

    Spot on.
    KDC is obviously a practised bull-shitter of the highest order, whom no sane person would ever rely upon to speak the truth clearly and simply.
    Still, if he splits the leftist vote, that’s ok by me.

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  2. Rex Widerstrom (5,254 comments) says:

    Prior to 1996, several sitting MPs defected to NZ First, from National, Labour, and elsewhere. Dotcom has already convinced sober, reflective people (Jim Tucker, Graeme Edgeler) to throw their lot in with him.

    It’s easy to get caught up in the excitement and inherent possibility of something new – especially if you’re disaffected, disillusioned or sidelined by the existing alternatives.

    I’m not suggesting it’s a smart move for anyone, just saying human beings are complex creatures, not always motivated by the cold logic DPF has applied in writing this post.

    [DPF: Tucker and Edgeler have taken up paid jobs. They're not volunteers or candidates or possibly even members.

    The defections in 1996 were about the pre MMP transition.]

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  3. mikenmild (10,618 comments) says:

    Why so quick to rule out Peter Dunne? He at least has a history of amalgamating with other nascent parties.

    [DPF: He has ruled it out]

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  4. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    I agree that Dotcom is a fantasist and there isn’t an MP waiting to jump ship. But what does he tell his core team of minions, and do they believe him? Do Kumar and Edgeler know the name? If so, have they told Dotcom that he is mad and that the person he thinks will join (Curran?, Jones?) him actually won’t?

    I suspect that Internet is like NZ First, where Peters operates in his own secretive manner and MPs are told to just trust him and not ask questions.

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  5. J Bloggs (158 comments) says:

    What would Dunne get out of an alliance with KDC? He’s the biggest fish in the little United party pond, and a cabinet minister. What could KDC offer him? And why would Dunne want to be dancing to KDC’s string pulling?

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  6. JC (906 comments) says:

    “Why so quick to rule out Peter Dunne?”

    Because he holds his seat by grace and favour of the Nats in a strong National area. Without this he’d be toast.. and may be anyway this election.

    JC

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  7. radvad (661 comments) says:

    While we are on the subject of Kimmies “truth telling” has he paid his creditors this week as promised?

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  8. emmess (1,368 comments) says:

    Could it be Horan?
    Given his low level of knowledge about the New Zealand political system as shown in the earlier post, perhaps he truly does not know the difference between a list and electorate MP.

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  9. mikenmild (10,618 comments) says:

    J and JC
    Just pointing out that Dunne has been quick to jump on similar opportunities in the past – Future New Zealand, Outdoor Recreation.

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  10. Cunningham (811 comments) says:

    How long before the person is outed. Surely someone knows who it is and will leak it.

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  11. queenstfarmer (742 comments) says:

    Why did Graeme Edgeler sacrifice his promising reputation by signing up with this sham?

    I guess it just proves (again) that smart people can make terrible judgments.

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  12. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Oh dear, the hysteria surronding this is getting greater by the day. One suspects there is an element of “thou protests too much” eh.

    I’m long enough in the tooth to say that all this has happened before although slightly differently.
    One needs only to look at Bob jones and the NZ party. Had mmp existed the Nats would have been toast. That was bought on by people disaffected by Muldoon and there were plenty of MP’s who did as they were told until Marilyn Waring had the guts to challenge the arsehole that Muldoon was.

    There will no doubt be some in that cacaus who are not happy about the way they are being treated.
    After all the Nats have remained essentially socialist and have made no attempt to live with their founding document neither have they made any attempt to make it clear that they are no longer a right wing Farmer freindly party but have of more recent times made it clear that they are centre left.

    ACT is not right wing either so there are plenty of voters not catered for on the right.

    Would one right minded current National MP want to change?

    Very possible.

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  13. Ryan Sproull (7,027 comments) says:

    Why did Graeme Edgeler sacrifice his promising reputation by signing up with this sham?

    I guess it just proves (again) that smart people can make terrible judgments.

    It’s a job, QueenStFarmer. Edgeler hasn’t “signed up” with the Internet Party. His services are retained by it.

    You don’t have to be a supporter of someone to sell them your goods or services. You have to be really opposed to them to refuse to sell to them.

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  14. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    radvad (607 comments) says:
    March 28th, 2014 at 10:19 am

    While we are on the subject of Kimmies “truth telling” has he paid his creditors this week as promised?
    ===========================

    Have Mainzeal (you know the favourite company of the ex Nat mp’s paid its creditors yet?

    You seem to have a problem between company and personal debts.

    The Chow fleeced Mainzeal and the FBI have fleeced Dot com. Like Mainzeal his company has no money and he is not his company. Any 2 bit lawyer can tell you that.

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  15. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    Dunne has also been quick to deny any interest in Dotcom or the Internet Party, he’s done this for several months. It makes no sense for him or Banks or pretty much any National MP to leave their current options for a huge risk.

    It hardly makes sense for any Labour MP either. Those with safe seats would be nuts to risk it. And those without safe seats would almost certainly guarantee they would lose them.

    Dotcom must be either mischief making or grossly over-estimating interest.

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  16. mikenmild (10,618 comments) says:

    Just saying Dunne’s got form for this kind of thing…

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  17. jams (48 comments) says:

    Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F’tang-F’tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel Dot Com.

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  18. mikenmild (10,618 comments) says:

    We need a Slightly Silly Party and a Very Silly Party.

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  19. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    There is a saying that in the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king. Would KDC attract the interest of a lesser MP with a Napoleon complex?

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  20. Manolo (13,327 comments) says:

    Nonetheless, the obese German swears on Mein Kampf that a MP has given him his word to jump ship

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  21. Manolo (13,327 comments) says:

    Why did Graeme Edgeler sacrifice his promising reputation by signing up with this sham?

    KDC’s money was too good to refuse, I suppose. Whatever the case, Edgeler’s reputation has taken a mortal blow.

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  22. radvad (661 comments) says:

    Viking
    I have a problem with anyone who does not pay what they owe. Do you?

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  23. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    I hope the NZ media really set a blow-torch to Kimmy Dotcom’s nethers. and hold him to account for his claims This is a cynical ploy by a foreign visitor to manipulate the NZ MMP political process. It’s a farce and a joke.

    The good thing is that Herman Goring lives to promote himself, and has built up something of a celebrity cult status with many younger voters (and some sycophantic journ.s who need money). It is likely many young voters will abandon the Greens in 2014 in favour of Internet as the 2014 ‘anti-establishment’ ‘protest’ vote. So, this only hurts the Greens as we replace Twees for Twitter.

    Oh dear, how sad.

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  24. queenstfarmer (742 comments) says:

    It’s a job, QueenStFarmer. Edgeler hasn’t “signed up” with the Internet Party.

    Then by definition Edgeler has signed up to it. And not in some back-room role. Here he is on their “front bench”, posing for the media in front of the party logo.

    According to this report, he seems to already be embarrased by what (or perhaps who) he has signed up for:

    Graeme Edgeler and John Mitchell wince, avoid eye contact, gaze fixedly into their beers.

    “So,” Riley asks, “what do you guys do?”

    Edgeler, 33, blinks from behind his spectacles and looks to Mitchell somewhat despairingly. Edgeler pauses. “I work for – the Internet Party.”

    Too late to back out now.

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  25. ShawnLH (3,212 comments) says:

    I think the claim is a straight out lie.

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  26. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    Is it Denis O’Rourke of NZF?

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  27. peterwn (3,144 comments) says:

    emmess – can’t be Brendon Horan – he is a list MP. The only useful MP to Internet Party would be someone who will be an electorate MP after September. Brendon has no hope of this. Needs to be electorate MP of minor party with sufficient ‘standing’ who can win seat regardless of affiliation – Peter Dunne and Hone are the only two in that category, with Hone in the stronger position.

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  28. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    Viking2>Would one right minded current National MP want to change?

    Let me get this clear. You think that a National MP is concerned that the current government aren’t free market enough, and therefore they’ll jump ship to join a party who are in coalition discussions with Mana? Don’t you realise how mad that sounds?

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  29. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    peterwn>can’t be Brendon Horan – he is a list MP

    Based on the Seven Sharp Q&A session, Dotcom is completely bewildered about the NZ political system. I doubt he realises there is a difference between list and electorate MPs. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s actually talking about some city councillor somewhere.

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  30. Raphael (73 comments) says:

    Except for the obvious flaw in their theory….assuming the MP actually exists, when he is named in June, it may ensure that come September he is no longer a sitting electorate MP……

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  31. Keeping Stock (10,092 comments) says:

    Viking2 said

    The Chow fleeced Mainzeal and the FBI have fleeced Dot com. Like Mainzeal his company has no money and he is not his company. Any 2 bit lawyer can tell you that.

    Dotcom still seems to have managed to find money to buy a gig at Rhythm & Vines, to appear on the back of dozens of Auckland buses, to fund a record and to have a weekend at Huka Lodge; not somewhere I would ever be able to consider staying, even though I earn a well above average income. Sure; his debts might be tied up with companies etc, and I am sure that he has good legal and accounting advice. But the perception for his creditors is that he is living the life of Reilly, whilst some of them have had to lay staff off because of unpaid accounts. You can’t blame them for seeking alternative means of getting resolution.

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  32. Ed Snack (1,733 comments) says:

    I heard that KDC is trying to stay in NZ and wants to change his name to Kim Dotcodotnz to prove that he’s serious.

    I also think he’s a wonderful piece of street theatre; his upfront attempts to buy political favours have outed a number of MPs and political parties for the money grubbing morally vacuous little turds that they are. For that alone I could almost stomach his continuing presence.

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  33. alwyn (380 comments) says:

    mikenmild says at 10:37 am

    “We need a Slightly Silly Party and a Very Silly Party.”

    But we’ve already got them. The are commonly referred to as the New Zealand First Party and the Green Party.

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  34. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    Herman Goring’s fantasist delusions probably equate a visit and conversation by an MP with a “commitment” to be in his party. Of course it does not, and this is all we’re dealing with here. Kim is delusional and draws long bows. He does not trade in realisms.

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  35. contheneo (26 comments) says:

    Could it be Trevor Mallard? According to the Labour party website, he hasn’t been confirmed as the Labour candidate for Hutt South yet?

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  36. ROJ (81 comments) says:

    A possiblility which doesn’t seem to have been canvassed at this stage – JUST MAYBE there is am MP who has been given the word they won’t be selected for their electorate again.

    Now to date we have a lot of national MPs going – but agreed, I don’t think any of them will have time for the IP, nor in general will they have time for a Nat of good standing.

    No Labour MPs are leaving we are told, (and its a small set), but maybe one is in a weak spot and told the list might not stretch to them?

    That latter situation, they might even try to use for bargaining – I won’t jump if you don’t push?

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  37. ROJ (81 comments) says:

    Mallard – nice one, should have good skills flying away.

    Lets see that one shot down!

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  38. Barnsley Bill (974 comments) says:

    The irony here is the the big fat liar has been lied to.I bet he believes that a number of the left MP’s that bent the knee to feast on the fatty German sausage will join him because they told him they would. What a shock it will be when they don’t.

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  39. peterwn (3,144 comments) says:

    ROJ – If Trevor Mallard went feral, joined Internet Party and stood in Hutt South, he would be very unlikely to win the seat – David Benson-Pope realised this when given the heave-ho from Dunedin South. Megan Wood is possibly the only Labour electorate MP who might get away with such a stunt – but only if Jim Anderton gave her a strong helping hand.

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  40. ROJ (81 comments) says:

    Quite Peterwn, but I didn’t say that the MP was necessarily likely to win the seat.

    I can imagine the scenario that whoever gets bitter and twisted enough to shaft their former mates. And isn’t there an incentive to do so – collect another 3 month’s salary after the election as a defeated MP? I can’t offhand remember who has done this before but it wasn’t so long ago?

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  41. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    radvad (608 comments) says:
    March 28th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Viking
    I have a problem with anyone who does not pay what they owe. Do you?
    ========================

    The world/ country is full of bankrupts and companies that don’t pay. Even you could have a turn.
    Many people who are ultimately cery successful have been through this.

    I don’t judge people by their misfortune at others hands and if you spoken with as many as I have who lost their cash to ex Nat mp’s who where directors and favourite clowns like Hubabrd you would maybe have a better insight into these things.

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  42. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Isn’t it intersting.

    No one, not Whale nor his spies nor anyone else found out about the Mega backdoor listing.
    So why the fuck would any of you posturing poseurs even begin to think you know anything else?

    You fail the thinking test, big time.

    Now I don’t know anything at all. Just watch look and listen.

    They are smarter than you think. Edgler knows his stuff and so does Kumar. Anyway they don’t give a shit about your vote. Its not you they are wanting to channel.

    Interesting times.

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  43. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    Good on you VK all this hysterical stuff is numbing. A so called Nazi in the south seas born decades after WW2 tormenting the locals by their own imaginations, since when does a private citizen have to pay the bills of Limited Liability company. They are coming up with them thick and fast and putting wind in his sails. The only MP in question can be Hone I think. Who would predict that he wouldn’t come to an arrangement with the IP, particularly when a few weeks ago the IP had been buried amongst much scoffing and scorn. One thing is for sure Sue Bradford might spit the dummy but Hone has strong support not because of his policies but because who he is and how he stands up for himself, no one else could buy that support in NZ – but I get the impression his core support is cemented in place no matter what he does. It’s Waitangi Day in your face, if that call is made, on election day. Like you said earlier in the year shaping up to something different this election.

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  44. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    The only MP in question can be Hone I think.

    No, Dotcom has been specific – it’s an MP other than Harawira.

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  45. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Is it that funny fella Winston arsed out?

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  46. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    Who is to say that MP might not morph into Hone after the agreement on the obvious, not working with Key. Anyway Pete you tell me who it is or isn’t – make a call. While you are at it, you might like to explain why say, Kiwi Blog, or any other blog, is not an ‘agency’ under the Privacy Act. Surely a blog is not an agency because it declares itself not to be one, it’s rather how it’s activities are viewed by the Law? That must be something you’ve considered about your own blog.

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  47. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Who cares about the fat slug, just put him on a plane and get him to hell away from here. He is a treasonous treacherous criminal and will ruin anyone coming in contact with him.
    He and Lecher Len are two of a kind.

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  48. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    Anyway Pete you tell me who it is or isn’t – make a call.

    My call is that it would be nuts for just about any sitting electorate MP to give up there seat and take a huge risk with the Internet Party. I think it’s almost certainly not from Maori Party, ACT or UF, it is claimed that it isn’t Harawira, so that leaves National MPs (extremely unlikely) and Labour (quite unlikely).

    Unless/until an MP is named and they admit they are jumping waka I view Dotcom’s claim with a lot of skepticism.

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  49. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    As I said, not too much thinking going on.

    Dot Com is not left wing. so forget about anyone of that tendency.

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  50. edhunter (491 comments) says:

    Why can’t this “electorate MP” he has in his back pocket, retain the seat for Nat/Lab whoever then do the jumping of the whaka?

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  51. Scott1 (444 comments) says:

    hard to see him getting an electorate MP, but labour is pretty desperate – they could throw him a bone I suppose.

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