The Dotcom Mana alliance

March 23rd, 2014 at 6:31 am by David Farrar

Jonathan Milne writes in the HoS:

Internet mogul claims he has signed up one sitting MP to join his new party before the election and is talking to three more – a poaching raid unprecedented in New Zealand politics.

He refuses to disclose the identity of the MP, saying it will be revealed once the Internet Party is registered and has chosen all its candidates, probably in June.

His revelation came in an exclusive interview with the Herald on Sunday yesterday.

Dotcom said he was also in talks with leader Hone Harawira to unite their two parties under one umbrella, enabling the Internet Party to ride into Parliament on the coat-tails of the Te Tai Tokerau electorate MP.

The two leaders and their party bosses, Vikram Kumar and Gerard Hehir, met on February 28 at a house on Auckland’s North Shore.

The Mana Party executive will this week consider a merger proposal. Mana would bring one or two electorates, the Internet Party would bring a more broadly-based party vote and $1 million-plus in campaign funding.

This is almost hilarious. Dotcom is a multi-millionaire who used to donate to John Banks, who allegedly pays his staff below the minimum wage, and has refused to pay dozens of struggling small businesses the money owed to them for work on his mansion. He would normally be the antithesis of everything the Mana Party claims to stand for. But then he effectively offers them a million dollars and rather than picket him for being an abusive employer (look at how many staff have quit under bad circumstances), they’re going to merge with him!!!

The lure of a million dollars campaign fund is too much to say no to, and all they have to do in return is to make sure that a future Government rules out extraditing Dotcom if a NZ court finds he should be extradited.

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66 Responses to “The Dotcom Mana alliance”

  1. Komata (1,160 comments) says:

    ‘Fee haf fays…..’ comes immediately to mind.

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  2. Bogusnews (477 comments) says:

    That loud ringing sound you hear is the BS alarm going flat out.

    What a joke

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  3. NK (1,222 comments) says:

    Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    This us very good news for Act. If the left, who despise the coat-tailing rule, want to win on the back of the coattail rule, then Party votes for Act are critical.

    If you don’t want Dotcom and Mana holding the fort, party vote Act.

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  4. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    You do deals behind closed doors with whoever for whatever reasons and cost. Integrity is a wispy cloud, water coloured, discerned and described by whim.
    These political dealings have validity simply because they are. They have value to those involved. They have affect because they are written about here. And standing in my fetid sty it is such jolly fun to scorn the odour of the fetid sty next door.

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  5. Scott1 (506 comments) says:

    The most interesting thing to me is that I highly doubt that Dotcom really believes in the same things as the Mana party.
    I guess it is just really important for him to get a foothold in government.

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  6. Scott1 (506 comments) says:

    I would have thought, for the right to increase it’s chances of winning, they would want ACT to get 0 party votes and 1 electorate seat. UF needs the same and the conservatives can be the one taking people in on the coattails.

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  7. markm (112 comments) says:

    I see that pompous twat Graeme Edgeler is the parties lawyer.
    Puts a new light on his many arrogant pontifications on this site

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  8. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    I didn’t realise Banks pays his staff below the minimum wage. What a cad and bounder.

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  9. Nookin (3,266 comments) says:

    You do not have to admire, or even like a person to be their lawyer, Markm, must less subscribe to their policies.

    I wonder how all those out-of-pocket employees feel about a cool $2m being diverted to advance Dottie’s ego at their expense.

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  10. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    How many trips to Paris will the thug Harawhira buy with the money?

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  11. markm (112 comments) says:

    Nookin

    You are correct but most lawyers I know outside of criminal lawyers , have ethics and morals , and wouldnt work for a known convicted criminal , who thinks nothing of stealing peoples private property , and subvering this countries democracy.

    Mr Edgeler , for all his 33 years , dosent seem to realise he has just signed his professional death sentence.
    Who in future will want to work with a known criminal associate

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  12. anonymouse (709 comments) says:

    Poor Russell, shafted again.

    If this is true , and anything regarding KDC and politics is a huge if, then this is a huge finger being given to the Greens, so much fit the ” if my party does not get to 5% we will take our names off the ballot paper”

    Also how does The mana party explain to its activist base that it will be shacking up with über capitalist and 1per center KDC.

    This just junnier and funnier…

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  13. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Edgeler, the hollier-than-thou and ever-pontificating lawyer?

    Tell him to change profession now, because any association with the German crook will soil his reputation forever.

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  14. Keeping Stock (10,265 comments) says:

    The HoS reckons that as many as four electorate MP’s are going to defect to the Internet Party. I can’t see any National MP’s being that foolish, so who? Clare Curran would be at the top of my list, possibly accompanied by her fellow Dunedin MP David Clark.

    But they are going to look very, VERY foolish when more emerges about the REAL Kim Dotcom; he can’t gag everyone. So are the parties (Labour, the Greens, NZ First and Mana) who have beaten a path to his door. If there’s one thing the New Zealand voter can do, it’s sniff out a rort.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/the-hos-on-dotcom.html

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  15. uncle_tom (14 comments) says:

    Sweepstakes as to which sitting MP has (supposedly) signed up to the internet party? I’ll put $5 on Brendan Horan – probably about what Mr Dotcom paid him for his signature…

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  16. MikeG (425 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  17. Mobile Michael (443 comments) says:

    Just checked a calendar. April Fools is still over a week away, Kim and HoS.

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  18. Keeping Stock (10,265 comments) says:

    @ uncle_tom – Horan may indeed have signed up to Dotcom, but the HoS editorial says this:

    In interviews with the Herald on Sunday this week, Dotcom and his lieutenants have confirmed they plan to spend up to $2 million in an attempt to get into Parliament with enough MPs to hold the balance of power. More worrying for Key, they are negotiating a deal with Hone Harawira and claim to be talking to four sitting electorate MPs about joining up with the Internet Party, in the most aggressive poaching exercise in this country’s contemporary political history.

    Horan is a mere List MP, without even a moral mandate to be in Parliament having been fired from NZF by Peters. Although that would make him a good fit with Dotcom, he is not one of those referred to. You can exclude John Banks, and probably Peter Dunne. Two of the Maori Party electorate MP’s are retiring, and Flavell won’t defect, having just become Maori Party co-leader. That leaves just National and Labour electorate MP’s, and as I said in my comment above, I can’t see any National MP’s daft enough to swap being a Government MP for probable oblivion.

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  19. Grant (436 comments) says:

    And will raving loonie lefty Bradbury be involved too?

    Or is he now using his prized laptop, the one the he got from dotcom, to write the absolute drivel I saw in the Herald this morning?

    G

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  20. big bruv (13,702 comments) says:

    MikeG

    Care workers earn what they are worth. Let’s face it, the work is not skilled is it.

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  21. uncle_tom (14 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock: Thanks for the clarification, however, the HoS does not specifically claim that it was a sitting electorate MP that has signed up. I think any electorate MP, regardless of their political stripes, would be committing political suicide by joining the “Save Dotcom from Extradition” Party. I think there is a good chance Dotcom may have paid some rogue reporter to make this all up as his ‘party’ has not had any news time lately…

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  22. Keeping Stock (10,265 comments) says:

    @ uncle_tom – there are two HoS stories. DPF has quoted from Jono Milne’s interview the the Large German gentleman; my quote can from the HoS editorial which I had blogged about before I saw DPF’s post. I would be very surprised if Clare Curran is not getting a phone call from David Cunliffe or Matt McCarten today ;-)

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  23. Warren Murray (299 comments) says:

    Whaleoil blogged last week that KDC was trying to do a deal with HH.

    As for there being others, i seem to recall Bob Jones claimed he had seven National MPs ready to defect from National when he set up the NZ Party. Didnt happen.

    Cant really take this seriously, and if it did happen the number of current MPs allegedly ready to defect would exceed the likely number of seats the party would get after the election.

    It also seems fanciful that any current MPs would want to be in a party led by HH.

    The MPs who are most likely to defect would be those who are retiring, but don’t really want to.

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  24. Paulus (2,598 comments) says:

    Hone should get his million dollars before the extradition case as hopefully FatCon will be gone soon after.

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  25. Elaycee (4,353 comments) says:

    Surely this is an early April Fools joke…

    The Hoorald on Sunday (who publishes anything remotely anti-National) is quoting Kim Dotcom (a convicted fraudster, embezzler and the subject of further fraud and money laundering charges in the USA) and yet they want this ‘story’ to be taken seriously?

    Bwahahahaaaaaaaaaa…

    Dotcon is desperately trying to buy time (pun intended) – in the hope his extradition process will be permanently stalled courtesy of eight pieces of silver being placed into various palms. And in the meantime, he ignores the financial obligations he has to his many, many creditors and staff.

    The sooner we all see Dotcom’s arse disappear down the air bridge into NZ6, the better.

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  26. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    As for there being others, i seem to recall Bob Jones claimed he had seven National MPs ready to defect from National when he set up the NZ Party. Didnt happen.

    Prospective politicians and parties are not unknown to talk things up to promote themselves or to promote mischief in other parties.

    It doesn’t rule out MPs considering jumping but waiting to see how things pan out.

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  27. beautox (438 comments) says:

    Good luck Hone getting your dirty fingers on that pile of cash. It’s much easier to promise things than deliver, and just look at the things that Krim dot con has promised and failed to follow through on. Most involve him splashing out lots of money – funding a new fiber link, funding team NZ. Just shows how gullible the stupid twat is, believing anything KDC says.

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  28. twofish (86 comments) says:

    Normally if someone with a 72 page Indictment issued against them by the the Eastern District of Virginia and facing extradition proceedings with regard to that, donated a million dollars a New Zealand political party to hopefully have the extradition dismissed, it would be considered bribery and corruption.

    But by becoming part of a political party, will that hide the motivation or open other party members to charges of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice amongst other things?
    _____________

    … they [Dotcom] are negotiating a deal with Hone Harawira and claim to be talking to four sitting electorate MPs about joining up with the Internet Party

    Do you mean four sitting electorate MPs could do a Pants Down Len Brown and suddenly turn out to not be the people their electorates voted for? Four of them …?

    Although, really, you could understand Labour Members contemplating it, seeing already what the Fickle Finger of Fate is writ on their wall.
    _____________

    What guarantee will Dotcom have that Hone won’t use the money to buy a Lady Trelise Cooper wedding gown to lure Shane Jones over into his ranks.

    And – 10 points to Cunliffe for crying over a glass of spilt milk while this is happening
    And – 20 pints to Winston, – 10 for spilling his own beans to Herald gossip columnist Rachel Glucina on Waitangi Day and forgetting that, so accusing the SIS of spying on him and Dotcom, and – 10 for missing out on Kim’s million after trying so hard and seeming to ask so many questions in Parliament on Kim’s behalf.

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  29. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    HH et al have to tie to somebody because they simply have no money for the election,nothing. Labour struggles to get any, Greens have none that why these lefty parties want the tax payer to fund them running campaigns so they can get elected and have a job.

    My thinking on this is if your policies are so mighty fine why wouldn’t the money roll in.

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  30. burt (8,199 comments) says:

    I just hope this starts a trend and more people with a bit of cash realise that the least corrupt country in the world is so easily corrupted with ( relatively speaking ) small change. Imagine Bill Gates feeling a little mischievous one morning, hopping into his private jet and popping down to little ol NZ to buy 29 politicians …

    just imagine how good Mana party supporters will feel watching daily tweets of their new dear leader lushing it up in the mansion sitting around on outdoor furniture worth more than their houses. What could possibly go wrong !

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  31. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (344 comments) says:

    Dotcom said he was also in talks with Mana Party leader Hone Harawira to unite their two parties under one umbrella, enabling the Internet Party to ride into Parliament on the coat-tails of the Te Tai Tokerau electorate MP.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11224591

    Hone Harawira – March 19, 2014, Press Release –
    “We clearly have common interests, but for the record, I didn’t ask him to fund MANA, and he didn’t offer to either. I didn’t ask him to join MANA, and he didn’t ask me to join his party.”
    http://mana.net.nz/2014/03/mana-meets-with-kim-dotcom/

    One, or the other, or both, is telling lies.

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  32. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ burt (7,015 comments) says:
    March 23rd, 2014 at 9:53 am

    Buy politicians? Really? I don’t think that is the case – sadly for the state of our politics it is probably the other way around. The politicians have found someone (albeit with a bit of cash) that they can use to get up the noses of their opponents.

    They have found someone with needs, that has followers and is popular with many, especially young people who like to not pay for their music. I think you mistake just who is using who here. Or rather, just who is being ‘suckered’.

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  33. stever (26 comments) says:

    Puzzled in Ekatahuna (323 comments) says:
    March 23rd, 2014 at 10:10 am
    Dotcom said he was also in talks with Mana Party leader Hone Harawira to unite their two parties under one umbrella, enabling the Internet Party to ride into Parliament on the coat-tails of the Te Tai Tokerau electorate MP.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11224591

    Hone Harawira – March 19, 2014, Press Release –
    “We clearly have common interests, but for the record, I didn’t ask him to fund MANA, and he didn’t offer to either. I didn’t ask him to join MANA, and he didn’t ask me to join his party.”
    http://mana.net.nz/2014/03/mana-meets-with-kim-dotcom/

    One, or the other, or both, is telling lies.

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    My pick is they are both lying. Based on both of their pasts

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  34. Keeping Stock (10,265 comments) says:

    @ Puzzled in Eketahuna – given that this is politics we’re talking about, I think we can probably say with some certainty that BOTH are telling porkies, or at least a version of the truth which is open to wide interpretation ;-)

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  35. emmess (1,420 comments) says:

    If known anti-semites such as John Minto backed by a dodgy German oligarch are brought into government, it will give Putin a great pretext to snatch one of our provinces.

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  36. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (871 comments) says:

    Our Chief Of Staff Matt thinks this is a holy alliance and match made in heaven. So no issues here. Please move on to the next topic.

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  37. Colville (2,252 comments) says:

    If Dotkrim and Hone hold hands and take in a few weak willed stragglers from Liarbore and spend a couple of $mil suckering in some voters with a lot of hollow promises based around income redistribution and the internet I cant see it being bad for any party (s) other than the Greens and maybe a tiny bit of Labour and Maori Party.

    Do we really think John Fucking Minto is going to attract large swathes of National voters to come over to his side just because he has the fat mans hand up his arse using him as a puppet? ?

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  38. burt (8,199 comments) says:

    Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

    I think the Chief Of Staff is just impressed with how his deeds are completely at odds with his stated position. Claiming to be a billionaire and paying below minimum wage and not paying creditors is just like not paying PAYE to the IRD and therefore the match is indeed made in heaven.

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  39. burt (8,199 comments) says:

    I hear Hone now…. Well you white MoFo’s have raped our land and use your money to keep us down, well we got our own big white MoFo now brother and he’s gonna kick your white MoFo’s ass !

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  40. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    @clarecurranmp

    Just for the record people who know me know I am tribal Labour. It’s in my bones. Ruling myself out. Fascinating though.

    @Inventory2 a correction might be in order following your unfounded speculation.

    @Inventory2

    @clarecurranmp Is that a categorical denial?

    ‏@clarecurranmp

    @Inventory2 yes

    @Inventory2

    @clarecurranmp I’m happy to publish that :)

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  41. Keeping Stock (10,265 comments) says:

    And I have taken the honourable member Clare Curran at her word Pete, given that is the standard applied in Parliament.

    So who is jumping waka then? Dotcom and Andrew Willliams seem to have similar attitudes towards their staff; could he be about to defect from Winston First?

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  42. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    Clare was an obvious suspect due to her acknowledged meetings with Dotcom but she has made it clear she’s not involved in his party.

    A current electorate MP like Curran would probably be committing political suicide by jumping to the Internet Party.

    They would lose the party support that got them elected, and in Curran’s Dunedin South electorate it would seriously risk splitting the Labour vote and making it much easier for National to win. That would be a double disaster.

    It would give Dotcom publicity for his party and may (or may not) help his party vote but, especially if unless a waka jumping electorate MP was very high on the Internet Party list, they would likely be sacrificing their own political career.

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  43. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    The most obvious is Shane Jones. Been setting it up for a while I reckon. Why would he stay where he is?
    There are a number of the Nats. who have been shafted as well.
    No one else wants Banks and he would do a deal to say his sorry arse from the Magistrate.

    Not all politicians are tribal. some want better. Especially some of the Nats. They are not all lefty centrist socialists you know.
    You may not like Hone( well his mother does), but think back to the EFB and go read the speech he made. The best speech by any MP opposing the EFB.

    Ah, just saying, don’t shoot the messenger OK.

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  44. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    Pete, you forgot to add the obvious.

    Curren is an odious uneducated unionist, which, while in keeping with the Dunedin voters, doesn’t actually make her a star with the rest of the world.

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  45. Ben2001 (25 comments) says:

    How could john Minto possibly support this? He would stand condemned as a hypocrite.

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  46. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    May I ask: what are Mr G. Edgeler’s commission and fees in this sordid affair? :D

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  47. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (344 comments) says:

    Whaleoil runs a poll: Which MP has Dotcom bought and paid for? and at the moment it tops Brendan Horan at 50% of 911 votes [more than many polls].

    But Horan is an expelled New Zealand First LIST Member. He hasn’t a moral reason to be in Parliament at the moment, and won’t his legal excuse disappear when Parliament ends for the Election? Hardly worth Dotcom having – if he has – one would think.

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  48. Colville (2,252 comments) says:

    Manolo me ole mate at 12.41.

    Ciminals and lawyers are like dogs and fleas….

    tho I suppose gogs dont pay to have fleas… !

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  49. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Criminals and lawyers are like dogs and fleas….

    I’d add whores to this distinguished list.

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  50. Keeping Stock (10,265 comments) says:

    @ Viking2 – Shane Jones would be a possibility I guess, especially when you take into account that one of the companies named in the indictment against Dotcom and his mates was Megaporn.com

    That’d be much easier for him that getting busted again for watching hotel movies :D

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  51. mandk (950 comments) says:

    Interesting to hear Clare Curran claiming to be tribal labour.

    When I read that term, the words “unreasoning” and “atavistic” immediately sprang to mind.

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  52. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    markm (89 comments) says:
    March 23rd, 2014 at 7:55 am

    Nookin

    You are correct but most lawyers I know outside of criminal lawyers , have ethics and morals , and wouldnt work for a known convicted criminal , who thinks nothing of stealing peoples private property , and subvering this countries democracy.
    =======================

    Edgeler knows his stuff and is a person for hire just like every other one of you.
    When you want the best advice you ask the best person.

    Perhaps the Nats need to do that instead of hiring people like Hekia and Turiana and Pete.

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  53. Bogusnews (477 comments) says:

    My suspicion is that this is total nonsense. I suspect Dotcom is only doing it for publicity. He has consistently shown he can play the MSM like fiddles. I can’t think of a better way to get publicity than this.

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  54. Paulus (2,598 comments) says:

    Curren was only at the DotCrim rented house meetings as a envoy for Cunliffe.
    She would be inconspicuous, as she always is.

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  55. backster (2,142 comments) says:

    The most likely to me seems to be a backbencher call Trev, he will stoop pretty low for money, has no future in Liabor, and seems to have integrity on a level with Krimdotcon.

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  56. Liberty (257 comments) says:

    “His revelation came in an exclusive interview with the Herald on Sunday”

    Big deal The Herald does an exclusive interview with a known criminal.
    Are the readers supposed to get excited ?
    Is the Herald suggesting criminals are rare and hard to find. Surly they jest.

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  57. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “If known anti-semites such as John Minto backed by a dodgy German oligarch are brought into government, it will give Putin a great pretext to snatch one of our provinces.”

    Pffff… China already started thry J Key

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  58. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘Ciminals and lawyers are like dogs and fleas….

    tho I suppose gogs dont pay to have fleas… !”

    They pay with their blood

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  59. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    The point is, now Dotcom has a party is Winston going to speak out against him…..

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  60. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “The sooner we all see Dotcom’s arse disappear down the air bridge into NZ6, the better.”

    Only for those with vested interests

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  61. AG (1,823 comments) says:

    all they have to do in return is to make sure that a future Government rules out extraditing Dotcom if a NZ court finds he should be extradited.

    No NZ Court will find that Dotcom should be extradited. One may (and probably will) find that he may be extradited. It is then over to the Minister to decide if there are any grounds (consistent with the Extradition Act) on which the US’s request should be refused – the court’s decision has nothing to do with this separate question.

    You’ve had this explained to you so many times that your continuing refusal to believe it is either gross stupidity or deliberate misrepresentation. And you are not a stupid man.

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  62. F E Smith (3,324 comments) says:

    markm,

    most lawyers I know outside of criminal lawyers , have ethics and morals

    Are you seriously suggesting that criminal lawyers do not have ethics and morals?

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  63. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Ethics and morals
    A good layer abides by them FES?
    Bastard of a job when success = criminal avoids justice

    NZ justice functions to near best practise

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  64. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    I await right here Edgeler’s (DotCom lawyer), comments on this matter. What a laugh.

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  65. Nostalgia-NZ (5,096 comments) says:

    ‘who allegedly pays his staff below the minimum wage, and has refused to pay dozens of struggling small businesses the money owed to them for work on his mansion’

    Nice to see the word ‘allegedly’ used regarding wages and as the later has been proved, as far as is known, should have also been used there as well. But as always helpful rumour gets set in concrete and quoted into ‘reality.’

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  66. RRM (9,774 comments) says:

    Amazing how the smell of money attracts them.

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