The UK Labour paedophile controversy

March 1st, 2014 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

The Telegraph reports:

Labour deputy leader’s insistence that she has ‘nothing to apologise for’ undermined by former colleague Hewitt’s frank apology

appeared increasingly isolated over her links to a paedophile group after apologised for her own role in the controversy, saying she had been “naïve and wrong”.

The Labour deputy leader has repeatedly refused to say sorry after it emerged that the National Council for Civil Liberties, where both she and Miss Hewitt worked in the 1970s, had given support to the Paedophile Information Exchange.

Harman is the current Deputy Leader of the Party. Hewitt is a former Health Secretary.

Former minister Miss Hewitt’s frank admission that she had “got it wrong” on PIE contrasts sharply with Miss Harman’s insistence that she has “nothing to apologise for”.

As fresh evidence of the NCCL’s support for PIE emerged, Miss Hewitt, who has been abroad for the past 12 days, responded for the first time to criticism of her own role by saying she accepted the blame.

Miss Hewitt, who was general secretary of the NCCL from 1974 to 1983, said: “I take responsibility for the mistakes we made. I got it wrong on PIE and I apologise for having done so.

“NCCL in the 1970s, along with many others, was naive and wrong to accept PIE’s claim to be a ‘campaigning and counselling organisation’ that ‘does not promote unlawful acts’.

“I should have urged the executive committee to take stronger measures to protect NCCL’s integrity from the activities of PIE members and sympathisers and I deeply regret not having done so.”

Hewitt admitting she was wrong is the way to do it.

Meanwhile it emerged that the former Labour MP was invited to become an honorary vice-president of PIE and said that he had a “good deal of sympathy” for the group’s objectives, despite turning down their offer.

BBC Radio 4’s World At One programme discovered that Mr Gould, a shadow minister during Neil Kinnock’s leadership, was contacted by PIE in the 1970s. He was approached following a speech he made to the Campaign for Homosexual Equality.

In a 1977 letter published by PIE’s in-house magazine, he said: “Yours is an unpopular cause and whilst I have a good deal of sympathy for your objectives, I do not think it would be fair to my wife and family for me to take a public stand on it… I’m sorry to have to send you such a disappointing reply.”

So in the letter he wrote at the time, he said he has a good deal of sympathy for the objectives of the Paedophile Information Exchange. Astonishing. Their aim was to abolish the age of consent to legalise sex between adults and children.

Mr Gould told the BBC that he did not remember the correspondence but had never had the slightest sympathy for or any involvement with PIE

If he has never had any sympathy why did he write a letter saying he had a good deal of sympathy for their objectives? Is he saying the letter is a fake?

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71 Responses to “The UK Labour paedophile controversy”

  1. Zebulon (114 comments) says:

    Those who support perverts are perverts. Good to see this out in the open.

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  2. tas (625 comments) says:

    Wow. PIE must have been very skilled at presenting their objectives.

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  3. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Bryan Gould is the failed British Labour politician whose Op-ed pieces are frequently published by our former Journal of Record, the New Zealand Herald. I wonder what its editor’s view is of a man who not only had “a great deal of sympathy” for this vile organization and its objectives, but now claims not to remember writing a letter in support of it??

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  4. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Gould was the Vice – Chancellor of Waikato University and a frequent lefty go-to guy for the media. If an outfit called the Paedophile Information Exchange contacted me if I was an MP the request would’ve gone into the circular file on the floor.

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  5. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    Well if this Gould is the same guy he held a lot of influential positions in NZ.Currently on TVNZ board.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Gould

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  6. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    kowtow: He’s the one…surely to F the Nats didn’t appoint him as a board member of anything? He comes from the “tax the rich till the pips squeak” era of the British Labour Party that saw it in the wilderness for 15 or 20 years…

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  7. gump (1,649 comments) says:

    According to Wikipedia, the age of consent for homosexual activity in Britain in 1977 was 21 years of age. So I’d understand there being some kind of political activity to lower it.

    However the idea of abolishing the age of consent seems absurd. Sounds like another case of misguided 1970s idealism.

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  8. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    follow the David Icke forums to get the inside story on the UK paedophile crisis

    http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222773&page=3972

    (it’s a long thread but makes for crucial reading)

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  9. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Seems to be the norm for Labour Party politicians . . . one only needs to look at the history of perverts in the NZ Labour movement over the years.

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  10. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    igm: speaking of which, I wonder if the socialists think the memory of the hoi polloi has faded enough to put Darren Hughes back on their list next time? Did the young fellow who was found running naked down the road from Hughes’ flat ever give an interview, or was he “persuaded” that that would not be a good idea??

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  11. corrigenda (142 comments) says:

    gump wrote: However the idea of abolishing the age of consent seems absurd. Sounds like another case of misguided 1970s idealism.

    It was not so long ago here in NZ that Helen Clark wanted the age of consent down to 12 years old if both parties were similar in age.

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  12. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    In most cases I do not think things from politicians distant past should be dragged up. In David Garrett’s situation he was in his 20’s. In Fenton’s case she was young and took drugs. Some MPs may have been communists or political agitators before entered Parliament.

    However, in the case Gould he was 38 married, a professional and an MP when he wrote the letter.

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s0nk07

    Listen to the full report on #wato here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01t01rb

    The media are hounding Jamie Whyte for his stupid comments about adult incest and rightfully so.

    What ever one thinks of adult consensual incest it pales into insignificance in comparison to condoning, sympathizing or in anyway being connected with organizations like PIE or NAMBLA.

    When will the MSM start hounding Gould? If they do not why not? Is it is because he is left.

    As David mentions above what if Dirty Darren was to run again in 2017? Would the media even give him a hard time? From what I recall some political writers in the Herald hinted strongly that after an appropriate time he should be allowed a second chance.

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  13. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    “When the hell are we going to be given answers on the flight Goff organised from the States returning Clark’s husband of convenience also?”

    Does anyone know if he has been back to the States since then?

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  14. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Well said Chuck…BTW Have the media indicated when I might be allowed to put my name forward again? Is 30 years since the offence long enough?

    igm: Here – for once – is a situation where a pseud is useful…Under cover of yours, tell us what you know about Clark’s lavendar husband’s sudden return from the US…I know only what Ian Wishart has written – which isnt much – and some pretty vague conjecture…(The Brits call a sham marriage where the poli is homosexual a “lavendar marriage”…I don’t know the derivation)

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  15. radvad (765 comments) says:

    I thought Peters was minister of foreign affairs at the time of the alleged Peter Davis thingy. I always wondered if that was why Labour supported Peters to the hilt during Owenglengate. He must have had something pretty major that Labour did not want to be made public.

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  16. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    I somehow do not think the moderator will approve.

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    Chuck Bird says:
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    March 1, 2014 at 2:35 am

    Bryan, you are happy to throw stones. Why do you not tell us if you did or did not write the letter in 1977 to PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange)?

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s0nk07

    http://www.bryangould.com/the-voters-deserve-honesty/#comment-130

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  17. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    I heard rumours from a very good source within National. That is why I would like to knew if he has ever been back to the US since the alleged incident. Why does the MSM not investigate?

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  18. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    D Garrett: If I knew any more about this sordid affair I would make it public, but unfortunately, I know no more than you. I have been told Davis has not, and will not, return to the States, but that is unsubstantiated hearsay. As radvad states, Peters was in foreign affairs, but Goff was Minister of Defence, and a RNZAF plane removed Davis.

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  19. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird

    What indiscretions are committed by politicians’ spouses & families has usually been ignored by the MSM. A tit for tat war is probably better avoided, however tempting it may be.

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  20. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    igm: Is it established fact that an RNZAF plane uplifted the fragrant Mr Davis from the US? If that is so it speaks volumes in itself…Someone who is or was in the RNZAF will know…in fact lots of people will know…

    Chuck: Well said again on Gould…someone in the MSM should be asking him “Did you or did you not write a letter to PIE containing words to the effect of those attributed to you?”

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  21. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    nasska: Indiscretions by anyone in public office are of interest, unfortunately media currently turn a blind eye if the left are proponents.

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  22. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    nasska, there is a difference between indiscretions and criminal offending. If David was uplifted and has not been to the US since that would add weight to the rumour. Family of MPs should generally be off limits but not if it is alleged there was political influence to avoid prosecution or if diplomatic immunity was used.

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  23. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Nasska: I basically agree with you…in fact I thought it was very dirty pool when the media made a big issue of Goff’s adult daughter being caught with a couple of ecstasy tabs a few years ago…the woman was 25 or something FFS…

    But I do think there is a bit of difference with Davis…firstly Clark and he have projected this utter sham on the electorate for years; secondly and more importantly there is a very real public interest if a Air Force plane was ordered to fly to the US to retrieve little Peter from a sticky situation…and that would be the case regardless of the side of politics the close family membr was on…

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  24. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    igm, Chuck & DG

    Points noted but if any Labour figurehead gets pulled down rest assured their pets in the media will take revenge.

    If there’s nothing to reveal about a politician of the right then they’ll invent something.

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  25. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    follow the David Icke forums to get the inside story on the UK paedophile crisis

    This guy here’s got a lot as well, it’s not a crisis, it’s a modus operandi. Goes across administrations, party lines, everything. It’s not the only reason it goes on not even the major reason why it happens but the intelligence services use kids as honey traps for not just politicians but civil servants and people in business, the law, anywhere where influence over them might be useful. Because if you’re one of those people and you know if you don’t do as they ask, why they’ll just release a video, what are you going to do? And don’t kid yourself, it’s not confined to the UK or even just the UKUSA, either.

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.nz/

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  26. Don the Kiwi (1,757 comments) says:

    But its the Labour party, so it must be okay.

    Nothing to see here – move on.

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  27. CharlieBrown (1,012 comments) says:

    Is there anything I can do to try and have my degree re-issued and re-signed by someone that isn’t a paedophile sympathizer?

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  28. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    CharlieBrown: Answer: No…but then you should have gone to a proper University in the first place!!

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  29. CharlieBrown (1,012 comments) says:

    David Garrett – I went to the best business school and best computer science school in the country :-p

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  30. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Well, that’s as may be ma son…but for those of us who wanted a law degree that law firms actually recognised, Waikaato (where does the macron go, if I had one?) was not a law school at all…

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  31. CharlieBrown (1,012 comments) says:

    Yip. I’ve heard from friends that studied it that law at Waikato is socialist indoctrination.

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  32. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    CharlieBrown (754 comments) says:

    March 1st, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    Is there anything I can do to try and have my degree re-issued and re-signed by someone that isn’t a paedophile sympathizer?

    Phew, I have Roy Crawford on mine lol ;)

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  33. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    My mate swears that as soon as he started putting a macron on “Maaori” his grades went up significantly…At the indoctrination centre in Waikato the so called treaty was treated as the Ark of the Covenant…for those of us who studied the international law of treaties at a real school it was, and remains, the “simple nullity” that Prendergast CJ declared it to be in 1875…or ’73…I forget….

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  34. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    My Mummy told me never to trust men who’s eye’s are too close together. Mister Gould’s eye’s are very close together.

    Funnily enough so are mister John Campbell’s! :)

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  35. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (12,921 comments) says:
    March 1st, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    hmmm, my mum used to tell me the same thing …

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  36. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Hello Judith darling how are you?

    From what you just said….surely your not my long lost sister??? :)

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  37. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Hello John dear, I’m just fine, and you?

    Goodness? Siblings? What if Mr Whyte makes incest compulsory?

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  38. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Once you have adopted the ACT as a way of life Judith all sins other than monetary shall be forgiven! :)

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  39. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    Another take on the thread:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/looking-back-to-the-great-british-paedophile-infiltration-campaign-of-the-1970s-9155610.html

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  40. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Johnboy (12,925 comments) says:
    March 1st, 2014 at 8:40 pm
    Once you have adopted the ACT as a way of life Judith all sins other than monetary shall be forgiven! :)

    Hmmm, well I hope not many people get into the ACT – with all sins forgiven, there will be no one left to blackmail.

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  41. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Waikaato (where does the macron go, if I had one?)

    How hard can it be to figure out your own country’s language, you ignorant fuck? If New Zealand place names are too hard for you, move to Australia – racist shitheads are a dime-a-dozen there.

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  42. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Fuck I was born here Psycho and I don’t speak coon! :)

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  43. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    I used to have a game I played with a similar chap to myself who worked as a dispatcher for a carrying company. We used to see if one of us totally mispronounced the murri name for some place if the other could recognise it. Such fun.

    I was really pissed when that TV ad with the Aussie bankers came up with Wackertain. They should have paid me a royalty! :)

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  44. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I don’t think Waikato has a macron? Macron’s only appear over some vowels in Māori. Plenty of sites on line to show you how.

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  45. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Fascinating how macrons appear over murri vowels seeing as how the stoneager’s couldn’t write till the missionaries taught them. :)

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  46. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    JB, I’m of Scottish descent (mostly), this year is 2014 (in case you didn’t know), exactly 700 years ago my ancestors led by my 20x Great Grandfather polished the ‘arse’ of the english … (we will not mention the battles they subsequently lost because Bannockburn was our moment of glory). How do I know this when I don’t understand any languages used at the time?

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  47. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    I don’t think Waikato has a macron?

    Indeed. I’d be willing to bet Garrett knows it quite well.

    Fuck I was born here Psycho and I don’t speak coon!

    You and me both. You don’t have to speak a language to be able to avoid making a cunt of yourself when you mention it, though.

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  48. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Fascinating how macrons appear over murri vowels seeing as how the stoneager’s couldn’t write till the missionaries taught them.

    The missionaries taught them to use macrons to indicate long vowels? Really?

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  49. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Ohhh you’re a brave anonymous boy Psycho….Hate to run across you down a dark alley…

    And I don’t plan to move anywhere sonny…I am as “indigenous” to this place as any Maaori…

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  50. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    You make a furry thing of yourself everytime you put your anonymous fingers to your key board sonny..I literally laugh at you…And I am not particularly bothered what most people with names think of me in return…anonymous little c…ts like you are so much dirt on my shoe….

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  51. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    David Garrett (4,757 comments) says:
    March 1st, 2014 at 10:34 pm
    You make a furry thing of yourself everytime you put your anonymous fingers to your key board sonny..I literally laugh at you…And I am not particularly bothered what most people with names think of me in return…anonymous little c…ts like you are so much dirt on my shoe….

    I’m sorry David but the irony makes it pretty funny… gave me a good giggle that you don’t like people who don’t use their real names! :-) Just saying… that’s all…

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  52. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Hilarious Judith…what were you doing 30 years ago? Not much different from now? Now there’s a surprise…

    And your little mate is sitting there in the cyber shadows STABBING that down button every time he sees me speak…too funny…

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  53. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (4,758 comments) says:
    March 1st, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    Come on David, where is your sense of humour, I didn’t mean it nastily … it is kind of funny don’t you think, surely even you can see the irony in the comment … and lets face it, you would have pointed it out to someone else if the boot was on the other foot. You do know the sooner you learn to laugh about the mistakes you’ve made in life, the happier you will be..

    And if you must know, thirty years ago I was doing very different things… most of them consisted of changing dirty nappies… :-)

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  54. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Save your down home truisms for The Killer Judith…he missed you the other night…had to parry thrusts all by himself…did you know he YAWNS when he thinks about his teenage victim, and her parents’ never ending suffering?

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  55. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ DG

    oh nasty nasty … I suspect it is your boring drunken sounding taunts that makes him yawn … seriously David, get over yourself, until you do, you are always going to make people yawn.

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  56. itstricky (1,832 comments) says:

    Perfect example. He insists on posters using their real names, but then when they do, or when he knows who they are, he doesn’t predicate on what they say, he predicates on who they are and gets personal straight away.

    The whole “you’re an anonymous troll” thing seems to be a defence for “I can’t be bothered” or “I’ve been backed into a corner”

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  57. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    …anonymous little c…ts like you are so much dirt on my shoe…

    You’re looking for the word “pseudonymous” there – Kiwiblog doesn’t provide anonymous commenting.

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  58. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Big holes in your arguments anonymous kiddies…firstly I hadn’t had a drop of alcohol last night (I very rarely do these days)…

    what does “predicates” mean? If you are going to use what used to be called “big words”, get them right…

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  59. itstricky (1,832 comments) says:

    Pretty sure I’ve got that one right. But who knows, maybe I’ve got the wrong word.

    A ‘predicate’ is the “doing” part of the sentence. As per:

    In English grammar, a predicate is one of the two main parts of a sentence. (The other main part is the subject.)

    A predicate is usually defined as a word group that comes after the subject to complete the meaning of the sentence or clause.

    Types of Predicates
    A predicate may be one word or many words.


    ….
    (2) A predicate may be a word group made up of a main verb and any helping verbs. In the next example, will sing is the predicate:

    Winnie will sing.
    ….

    It is, as far as I know, correct to generalise it. So you can say things like “this predicated that” or “this predicates that”. In this case “Garrett predicates his statements with…”

    Essentially, son, I’m saying that you predefine your statements. If it’s someone you know it usually starts with, for example “the high and mighty Dr Geddis comes down from Mount Sinai..” – a direct and obvious put down, trying to minimise the poster of the statement before you even start addressing anything that’s said. Hence “predicates” – the verb of the sentence is formed before it’s written down depending on who it’s addressed to.

    Good to hear your head is clean this morning, enjoy your Sunday – don’t spend too much of it on KB. I know I have now.

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  60. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (4,760 comments) says:
    March 2nd, 2014 at 9:29 am

    My god, then that is even worse, at least if you’d been drinking there is a slight excuse, without it, you come across as just plain nasty.

    Personally I’m sick to death of your ‘anonymous’ taunts. I’ll take it from PG and others who use their own name, but YOU don’t have that right, having made using a false name into an art form.

    Yes I know it was thirty years ago… but it took a lot of manipulation, calculating and the signing of legal documents to do what you did, it wasn’t a spur of the moment event. AND in the years following you never did ONE thing to put it right. Your excuse was that you were seeing if there was a loop hole in the system … there was, but did you then bring it to the attention of authorities, and try to put it right – NO.

    You got caught … and you have the cheek to throw shyte at others as if that was your only mistake – it wasn’t was it?

    You condemn someone over and over for a mistake they made a long time ago, and yet you too could have killed someone. What about the man you were convicted of assaulting? What if he had stumbled, hit his head and died? Your violent act could have made you a killer! Not to mention the drunk driving – that could have taken a life too.

    And what about the time frame – you tell us to get over it – 30 years is a long time ago – yes it is – but it was only in recent years that you were censured for LYING to the Law Society.

    YOU sunshine have no right to poke shyte at others – I suggest you suck it up when people bring up your past – stop condemning people for not using their own names, with jerks like you around its understandable – and generally pull your head in – you’ve done some good things David, things to be proud of, but the mistakes you’ve made do not disappear and make you a god. Get over yourself.

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  61. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    What others mistakes have you made Judith besides supporting someone who on the balance of probabilities is one of New Zealand’s worse mass murderers?

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  62. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    Er, David…you do realise that if the Christian Coalition had gotten into Parliament back in 1996, we might now be asking similar questions about the Bolger and Shipley administrations? Two words- Graham Capill.

    Admittedly, though, I do find the NCCL’s stance on PIE utterly repulsive. Really, they should have known better. However, hindsight is a great teacher.

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  63. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    As far as Im aware – and its second hand via brother who has a mate in the DPS – it wasn’t an NZ Airforce plane. Kinda makes sense, which of our planes would have the ability to make that sort of round trip? Couple of DPS boys flew up. He was ‘handed over’, they flew him back, all on scheduled services. He wont be going back to the US anytime soon.

    The final nail in the coffin for the relationship between the shebeast and the DPS team was the ‘motorcade’ flyby up the south island, when she hung them out to dry. There was much talk of diving the other way if a bullet was in the offing. Not happy days in the squad after that. Mind you, one morning whilst I was out running I caught them out with JK doing an early morning trot. Totally different atmosphere, laughing joking and very welcoming of just another kiwi who wanted to join in. That what I love about NZ and JK – natural. What other country could you bump into the PM and jog with him?

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  64. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Chuck: With respect, no..The Killer is not one of our worse mass murderers (David Gray, a farmer called Schlapfer and Stanley Graham are members of that dubious club).

    The Killer is however one of twenty or so people in NZ who have killed, served a sentence and been released, and then killed again….And this “Judith”, who claims to be ever so victims focused, is totally unmoved when I tell her The Killer replied “Yawn” when I pointed out that Margaret B’s family have a true life sentence, and suffer particular pain on her anniversary…Incredible really…both of them.

    “Judith”: Draw my attention to anything I have ever said – here or anywhere else – which suggests I have a God complex, and a not one but a whole box of chocolate fish is yours…happy to send them Post Restante so you can continue to hide behind your pseud…

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  65. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    You really are quite something “Judith”…my obtaining a false passport which was never used 30 years ago is apparently “[making] the use of a false name into an art form…” .despite the teency little flaw in the argument that I never actually “used” it…

    On the other end of the scale sits The Killer, who killed not once, but twice, years apart, and now shows not a shred of remorse for either of his victims…he “yawns” when he thinks about the family of the teenage ones (or were both victims teenagers? I forget

    And at the fulcrum of the scales sits you…thrusting away about my unquestionably disgraceful deed of 30 years ago, and a non existent assault …but defending the Killer, referring to his “mistake” – not even acknowledging there were TWO different killings, and notwithstanding his complete lack of expressed remorse….All I can say about you is you have a most warped sense of both justice and proportion…and if you ARE a victims’ advocate as you claim, God help those you represent…

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  66. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    “Fascinating how macrons appear over murri vowels seeing as how the stoneager’s couldn’t write till the missionaries taught them. ”

    fyi there were already spiritual Maori believers before the ‘Catholic missonaries’ came.

    That’s why there are now very few Catholic Maori. The Lord in His great and mysterious ways reached them first.

    so much for your trivialist ‘stone age’ label. The historic evidence you have no education of refutes you completely.

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  67. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    DG: I was referring to David Bain who on the balance of probabilities is one of New Zealand’s worse mass killers. That is why the Judith with brains has put a hold on his compo which he is highly likely to get. I am waiting for Labour or the Green to promise him compo if they get in power.

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  68. jakejakejake (134 comments) says:

    I don’t think the recent article about DG being openly unfaithful and abusive to his “effing native” wife was referring to events 30 years ago.

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  69. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird spent no time at all with D Bain yet the people who defended him spent years with him butt hey are all wrong.

    This is the fascist ignorance I’m talking about on Kiwiblog.

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  70. unaha-closp (1,165 comments) says:

    In a 1977 letter published by PIE’s in-house magazine, he said: “Yours is an unpopular cause and whilst I have a good deal of sympathy for your objectives, I do not think it would be fair to my wife and family for me to take a public stand on it… I’m sorry to have to send you such a disappointing reply.”

    Standard political form letter:

    Dear [sucker/nutjob], Thanks for cash, can’t help now, please keep sending money.

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  71. stephieboy (3,091 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird, you need to beware that there are many in both Labour or Greens who do believe the Binnie report and its reception ,has exposed gaping big holes in the David Bain narrative . Its not an automatic given that both parties will necessarily compensate him. .

    wikiriwhis business , if you take trouble to read carefully Binnie’s report and match it up against its critiques then you will then see that even those who spent years and years with him did get it wrong.

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