Clustertruck continues

April 15th, 2014 at 5:18 pm by Jadis

* a Jadis post – by now you know the drill.  DPF will return one day

So it turns out that yet again Cunliffe and the Labour team haven’t checked the numbers or the unintended consequences of a policy announcement.  Ministry of Transport analysis shows that under Labour’s new policy many motorhomes would actually be charged higher Road User Charges – not lower as Cunliffe tried to suggest earlier today.  Brownlee explains this latest clustertruck from the Labour team:

“But analysis by the Ministry of Transport shows that based on the difference between average and maximum weights for trucks versus motorhomes, the owners of many motorhomes would end up paying more for Road User Charges than they do today.

“Road User Charges already assume that a vehicle travels empty about half of the time, as trucks frequently do travelling from a depot to pick up a load, or returning to the depot.

“Motorhomes, however, generally carry their furniture, fittings and other material at all times, which means they weigh more than an equivalent unladen .

“The 4.6 tonne average motorhome is in a weight band required to pay Road User Charges of about $57 per 1000 kilometres.  If paying by actual weight, Road User Charges would typically be between $50 and $70 per 1000 kilometres, depending on the exact weight of the vehicle and its fit out.

“So this policy would see many motorhome owners penalised rather than compensated, in some cases by as much as 22 per cent.

I wonder, was this Cunliffe’s intention?  May be he is doing us a favour by stealth and getting those slow motorhomes (and tourists) off the road.  The attack on the truckies was just a cunning sideshow.  Yeah, nah… I call Clustertruck on this one

 

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60 Responses to “Clustertruck continues”

  1. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Presumably Mr. Cunnliffe has never had the ‘motor home experience’.

    Evidently living in a ‘do-up’ in Herne Bay is more attuned to his ‘Chardonnay Socialist’-style, than moving around the country’s roads having fun – or looking for work….

    Given the ‘stuff-up’ has there been any comment from the Motor Caravan Association of New Zealand yet?

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  2. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    Yeah, nah… I call Clustertruck on this one

    You mean like the one where Bridges didn’t know where the park was? Seriously, days without a post and the best we can come up with is another tedious and tenuous Labour bash?

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  3. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    I wonder how many truckie’s votes he has lost ?

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  4. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

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  6. RF (1,407 comments) says:

    itstricky… Man you are giving a very good impression of a drowning man treading water. Slowly sinking with the weight of the Labour cluster fucks on your back.

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  7. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    I drove a big Kea 4-berth camper van around the South Island a couple of years ago on my car license. It was fun! :-D

    (Volkswagen CT35, 2.5 litre straight 5 turbo diesel. Best little truck I’ve driven by a mile, shitloads better than any Toyota Hiace or Ford Transit.)

    The RUC ticket in the windscreen said something like 4600kg, but I call BS on that, it didn’t seem that heavy, it would have been interesting to know what our laden weight actually was.

    But it’s hard to imagine where all that weight might be…

    Most of a white plastic rental motorhome is airspace in the cabin. You could have a hundred litres of clean water in the tank and another hundred litres in the grey water tank, but there’s not much else that’s actually heavy on board. There’s a bar fridge and a gas stove, a 9kg gas bottle and some MDF cabinetry. It’s not like you’re carting concrete culvert pipes or coils of steel or even a pallet of Gib around.

    (There’s certainly not a lot of insulation in the bodywork, my god…. )

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  8. meow (20 comments) says:

    @itstricky,
    Bridges is not required to know where the park is because it isn’t protected land, as such Ministry staff did not advise him of it. Go back and do your homework before spouting off. Check out the fact that there are already 58 permits in the area under scrutiny, a little under half of them approved by Labour.

    Then again whinging left wingers will whinge, and they’ll never let the facts get in the way.

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  9. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:
    My brother and I purchased a hemi 265 Powered A110 international camper in Christchurch then drove it around the south island and back to Auckland via bluff and Milford sound,

    The exhaust exploded around dunindun and the hemi echoing around the mountains was truly joyifull and uplifting .
    So was the opportunity to freedom camp at some of nzs truly stunning places.

    The policy of envy ends up attack a productive sector Just like the caravan and boat tax of old.

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  10. OneTrack (3,114 comments) says:

    itstricky – RF covered it. But National, being currently in power, means there is much less need for them to announce what they are going to do. Mainly because they are already doing it, so you can see for yourself exactly what National does – economy slowly improving, unemployment down, affordable housing (if you are looking outside Herne Bay and Grey Lynn), yadda, yadda,…. No need to look closely at people like Cunliffe to try and work out which side of his mouth he is talking out of today, and trying to constantly check his numbers because he has stuffed it up so many times already.

    Cunliffe in government? What would we get? I have no idea. The combination of him and his coalition partners just screams clusterfuck at the moment.

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  11. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    Bridges is not required to know where the park is because it isn’t protected land

    I guess you’re that annoying chap who takes his job as far as the letter of his contract goes, then. Do you belong to a union?

    Hey why can’t we have these debates? Oh that’s right because we have to cover for the fact that National have no policies. When is DPF back?

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  12. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “Oh that’s right because we have to cover for the fact that National have no policies.”

    You mean like the ones they have been implementing since first getting elected, the ones they are implementing now?

    You have an odd idea of what constitutes no policies.

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  13. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    @itsticky – It is better not to release policies than releasing half baked, half witted, brainless policies that is coming off the arse of your 9% popular leader.

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  14. meow (20 comments) says:

    @itstricky
    I have no problems with debates, just don’t selectively ignore most of the facts in your rush to take a free swing. It’s not all your fault though, most of the stories around this have simply reported allegations and situations without supplying any context (because that would involve actual research).

    Am I that annoying chap? I have a job where mistakes are expensive and a lack of professionalism and knowledge will get you booted pretty quick. So yeah, I pay attention to detail.

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  15. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    This is possibly the least coherent policy announcement in human history. Labour and the Greens have spent the last couple of years banging on about the “holiday highway” and promising not to build expressways. Apparently we’re all supposed to sit in traffic most of the time, but especially when we’re going on holiday. Now they announce a policy for trucks that only applies to roads with more than three lanes, which means Wellington from the Terrace Tunnel to the top of the Gorge, and Auckland. Then they’ve decided that caravans won’t need to be registered because people often have to do it before they go on holiday, or something I really didn’t understand.

    So a caravan owner in Wellington won’t have to register their caravan before their holiday. Then they’ll be able to pass trucks as far as the top of the Gorge. But then they’ll be in stop start traffic at the Paramata Roundabout, through Mana, at the merge at Pukurua Bay, through Paraparaumu, and for a few kilometers before the lights in Waikanae. Then there will be an hour’s delay going through Otaki. All because Labour and Russel Norman have promised to scrap Transmission Gully and the Kapiti Expressway. Even though the Kapiti Expressway is already being built.

    Was this policy written by a child? I have a nephew who is seven years old, and I suspect he would have done a better job at a transport policy. He has experience with Lego, and is therefore a few steps ahead of Cunliffe.

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  16. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    I have no problems with debates, just don’t selectively ignore most of the facts in your rush

    All I’m saying is you wait days for a post and all you get is Cunliffe bashing. Nothing of substance. I think I prefer discussing the Illuminati Zionist Nepalese freedom fighters, if it wasn’t obvious.

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  17. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    You mean like the ones they have been implementing since first getting elected, the ones they are implementing now?

    Oh so you mean they have no need to tell us what they plan to do in the future, with the magical surplus? Just more of the same? That’s like discussing God’s relationship to the Illuminati Zionist Nepalese freedom fighters on GD for five days in a row. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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  18. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    Nice to see Cunliffe giving a shit about Aucklanders and their desire to get off on their holidays; after all doesn’t he represent the party – or is aligned with the party – that wants to scrap the ‘holiday highway’ meaning those New Zealanders can’t even get out of their city efficiently?

    I think I might see if one of my sheep up the back there wants to start a political party. It would probably think things through better

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  19. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    They have opposed Transmission Gully and the Northland ‘holiday highway’ (their name for it) for years. Suddenly they care about motorists and holidaymakers on the roads? Oh please.

    It’s the OBVIOUS LIES and UTTER BS that are the reason he’s Mr 9% in the polls…

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  20. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    Meow. Incidentally, what is your job? It sounds like something important like the Energy Minister. You know, something where you would own up to your, shall we say, clustertrucks? Op, just quickly checked again. No .ore posts except for Cunliffe bashing. Going to live with the Illumination Zionist Nepalese freedom fighters

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  21. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    How does Gerry argue “What he’s signalling is a massive drop in revenue, therefore a big drop in investments going on the road,” says Mr Brownlee.” while simultaneously attempting to argue that it will “…see many motorhome owners penalised rather than compensated, in some cases by as much as 22 per cent.”

    Hint: Bullshit spewith.

    On the actual policy (after all, this is what we really want to debate, right?, Right??) I agree with the new RUC class for motorhomes and the elimination of trailer registration.

    I disagree with forcing trucks to drive in the left two-most lanes of motorways – this seems to not be something that is really required based on evidence, and would also need some exemptions, such as over the Harbour bridge where we don’t want trucks on the clip-on (left-most) lanes in order to ensure they last as long as possible.

    Overall though, a pretty weak bit of policy, compared to what they could do in the transport arena, where National is extremely poor.

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  22. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    “Going to live with the Illumination Zionist Nepalese freedom fighters”

    Their all dead. They were killed by the Endarkenment Ultra-Zionist Bangladeshi fighters for freedom.

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  23. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Does the end of registration for trailers and caravans mean that they no longer need number plates? What about WOF checks? Who pays for the damage that trailers and caravans do to the road surface?

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  24. doggone7 (808 comments) says:

    The headline indicated that the latest Collins stuff had hit KB, even drawing a reasonably descriptive clusterruck. But no, looks like I’ll to go over to Whale Oil and read about Judith there. Yeah right!

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  25. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    I think they will still need rego plates as how else will labour council mates be able to send us their huge ticket fees when we park at the boat ramp with a sodden wof sticker.
    I wonder where the checks are in the labour party that can of let such a poor policy out again. Hadnt they learnt their lesson from the baby one earlier this year.
    Them and Greens in power is actually becoming a scary proposition

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  26. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Doggone yeah that Judith thing is looking bad and her attitutde is having to get worse to defend it.
    Its pretty clear whats gone on and I dont like it nor her anymore

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  27. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    martinh

    I got my boat WOF and rego up high on my indicator / stop light board which sits across the gunwales. Never gets wet. You know in the UK you don’t need a WOF or anything for your trailer it’s just got to be sound if the cops stop you.

    NZers gets reamed through the arse with taxes and compliances. I really think Colin Craig would be able to win some more votes if he just educated the ‘middle class’ about how much of their earnings go to the state with its colossal appetite and penchant for wasting most of it

    Sorry to go off topic

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  28. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Duggledog
    Yeah thats a good wof tip thanks, mine gets wet from the rain too. The bastard council fines if they cant see both sides so i figure i cant clear tape over it like the rego.

    Im not sure i like the cops doing warrant checks. One asked me once if there was anything wrong with my car, i said the battery was shit, i sat there for 20 mins waiting for her to check with her superiors if a battery was a warrant issue so i would have no confidence in them checking whether someones wheel bearing are going to fail and send the trailer zig zagging into the opposing lane.
    I saw that happen once at 80kph on the trailer in front of me, was quite freaky.

    Where we also go boating in some rural areas there are some terrible trailers around and im sure theyd get worse if not made to get a wof. The other year a trailers safety chain was corroded, the trailer came unlatched broke the chain and ended up killing some poor bastard who just happened to be driving the other way.

    I totally agree about taxes and compliances. I have a diesel and its almost $500 now a year for a rego, im told that due to rising acc costs, but acc costs are meant to be coming down- i feel robbed at times

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  29. greenjacket (466 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe has screwed up the release date for the policy – the Labour Party Research Unit had intended that the policy was to go out on 1 April.

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  30. Tauhei Notts (1,724 comments) says:

    Campervans are not called “Road Lice” for nothing.
    Next time you see a campervan with a long tail behind it, the car at the back of that tail will probably have me as the driver.
    Any reduction in road user charges to the drivers of that lice is terribly unfair.

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  31. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Yeah thats what i think too Tauhei.

    Id say a lot more vehicles will become “motor homes” if that happened.
    Reminds me of how many cars were hearses until that loophole was closed.

    Maybe a lot of Labour voters are these inconsiderate motorhome freedom camping wankers

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  32. jcuk (693 comments) says:

    itstricky 5.35

    I took this a brilliant satire and gave you a plus tick :)

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  33. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    Silent T cannot be serious with his aspiration to become PM.

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  34. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    He does seem rather determined to lose the election. Can’t say I’m sorry about that.

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  35. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    yeah thats what i dont get, surely the others in Labour would of thought this is daft. WHats so wrong with CUnliffe and Mccarten as they have both being a disaster since they have got in to the top jobs.
    Are Labour party members all as nutty as them?? Seriously are they??
    Im looking forward to their next policy, i enjoy ridiculing the harvard twit

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  36. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    geez, this really upset itstricky!

    i guess its stressed out – another 3 years without extra handouts!

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  37. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    What I got from that article is the nats are against user pays. If a camper van uses the road less then why should they be charged the same tax as vehicles that use it 10 times more? At least Cunliffe is actually prescribing something to attempt to fix the inherent unfairness for a change.

    And after reading what John Key had to say on changes to the way local government generate their revenue I am certain that a change in government this year is better than one in 3 years time. All John Key has done is reduced the pace of acceleration to the left, he’s still moving nz to the left.

    As much as I want to see ACT get more representation, I want to see John Key out even more so a decent national leader can get elected sooner. So my vote is either going to go Labour or Dotcoms way. Why stall the pain of a labour, green, nzfirst, mana and maori party nightmare another 3 years when its going to happen anyway. The way I see it, vote National for another 12 years of socialism, or vote elsewhere for no more than 9 years (likely less than 3 when that unholy alliance falls to pieces).

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  38. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    @itstricky, I gave you upticks for all your comments too, I love it when you get all shrill, clearly you’ve resigned yourself to the fate of another 3 years of your team sucking arse in opposition. SPC is getting increasingly shrill too, frabjous days :)

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  39. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    jcuk 8:39

    Thank you indeed. I recognise you as a man of humor who has witnessed the vomit of GD, unlike the other 15. I have reciprocated an uptick.

    RightNow

    Shrill? I think you may have misinterpreted the tone of my voice across the Interweb.

    That sound you hear is the not the frustration of one Government that looks like the other, but is only a single primary colour away, replacing the other but a gasp of exasperation at the clustertruck that KB is. Five days of God fearing Mayan worshipping theories of why MH370 went down and then the best post they’ve got is a bog standard Labour bashing piece about a suggested policy which is, well, completely inconsequential to anyone. Tomorrow the world will have forgotten about it. You (and igm) may get your rocks off (I can’t hear the tone of your voice, so I can’t tell from here either) poking little rabbit holes in inconsequential policy statements by the ‘maggot’ opposition for weeks, but I don’t, really. I guess it may keep you entertained as you can’t have a go at the National party as they don’t have any policies so it’s partly understandable.

    The tags graph on the left shows “Labour” twice as big as “National” – it’s really easy to be a critic, it’s less to actually come up with useful ideas of your own. Pretty much sums it up.

    Will there be a post on Judith Collins tomorrow? That’s a little more than inconsequential.

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  40. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    i guess its stressed out – another 3 years without extra handouts!

    Yeah, that’s it – I’m a motorhome owning dole bluger. I travel the country in my Road Lice leaching off your taxes to fund my Illuminati Zionist Nepalese Freedom Party. We’ve signed on one sitting electorate MP from a major party. You should be afraid… very afraid…

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  41. ShawnLH (5,285 comments) says:

    Oh for goodness sake itstricky, DPF is on holiday. Get over it. He’ll be back soon. Your acting like it’s the end of the freaking world.

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  42. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Even shriller, shrilly boy. Another uptick for not disappointing me.

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  43. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    Labour: sweating the big issues since, well, whenever.

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  44. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Charlie BVrown,
    mobile homes are paid per k use so they pay only for what they use.
    Its a joke like Gerry Brownlee said

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  45. prosper (168 comments) says:

    Itstricky. I got kicked off the standard for asking why they don’t replace Cunnliffe with Jones or Robertson given the perception of Cunnliffe is poor and does not impress the swinging voter. No swearing very polite. Do you know why? They don’t seem to have any problem with your quite harsh posts.

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  46. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Prosper
    Sounds like fun, i will go ask too

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  47. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    Conliffe is Labours gift to National that just keeps on giving day after day.

    Stupid policy, unworkable and offers no particular benefit to road users.

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  48. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    “Tojo” is a loser, always was, always will be. He is a typical unprincipled left-wing envious charlatan having the intellectual abilities of his effeminate mates Hipkins, Parker (who takes off with stroke-ridden friend’s wives, runs businesses broke, ruining partners lives), and Lees-Galloway (being championed by the editor and deputy editor of “Manawatu Standard”). Who in their right mind would ever want to see this disgusting rabble near Treasury benches?

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  49. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    what business did Parker run broke?
    Thats tragic about the stroke thing, i tend to say thats the wifes call.
    The most unprincipled Labour people were the ones who went to skycity- annette king, chris whatever his name is and that weakling goff

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  50. wreck1080 (3,923 comments) says:

    WHy do people continue to feed the troll , itstricky?

    Anyone replying to itstricky is almost as bad as it keeps him alive.

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  51. CharlieBrown (1,014 comments) says:

    Martin – are you referring to road user charges rather than vehicle licensing? Unless I’m missing something, according to the nzta motor homes owners pay about 600 dollars a year to the government for the privilege of owning one.

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  52. prosper (168 comments) says:

    This is not the standard. Why not let itstricky post. It’s good to have another point of view. It’s a bit like debating. All good fun.

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  53. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    martinh: Parker ran a small company broke, leaving his business partner destitute, then entered Parliament as a prospective leadership challenger, only to mislead the House over his failed business affair, being immediately demoted by Clark.

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  54. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    Even shriller, shrilly boy. Another uptick for not disappointing me.

    Meh. Whatever; bro. I guess for some the intellectual equivalence of a high school girl spray painting ‘Labour sux’ in flouresecent pink on the wall is about as good as it’s ever going to get so, if they enjoy it, who am I to try to persuade them there’s other stuff out there?

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  55. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    This is not the standard. Why not let itstricky post. It’s good to have another point of view. It’s a bit like debating. All good fun.

    Weird isn’t it? You get labelled a troll because you ask a question nobody wants to answer, or that they don’t like. Essentially the question is: if KB is better than The Standard why is it that all we’ve had for the past who knows how long is ‘Labour sux’ and ‘Cunliffe sux’. You would think the intellectuals of KB would get sick of it sooner or later.

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  56. doggone7 (808 comments) says:

    Q: “Who in their right mind would ever want to see this disgusting rabble near Treasury benches?”

    A: Someone who would simply enjoy, regardless of any constitutional, economic or social consequences, the spectacle of the igmorant throwing their toys out of the cot.

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  57. itstricky (1,851 comments) says:

    Prosper I don’t consider my posts harsh at all. Not sure how you formed that opinion. Give me an example. I think you’ll find it is all just in good jest, if you were to be able to hear the tone of my voice. It’s all how you interpret the written word. Major communication problem with this medium.

    Never been to The Standard, don’t intend to. I like to hear alternative points of view to expand my horizons. Last thing I want to do is sit somewhere being Cunliffe’s cheerleader and doing false knobby high fives with people who think the same as me. Coming here though that’s all I ever hear in reverse. Bores me no end.

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  58. wikiriwhis business (4,019 comments) says:

    Non profit vehicles shouldn’t be paying RUC’s at all. Just state theft

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  59. Nookin (3,357 comments) says:

    IGM

    You are seriously off the mark on this one.

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  60. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Only on this one?

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