General Debate 16 April 2014

April 16th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. iMP (2,384 comments) says:

    yadi…yadi….jadis. At what altitude are you jadis?

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  2. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Kim Dotcom’s claims of having an electorate MP lined up have fizzled out – The Internet Party’s phantom MP

    Political credibility fizzles easily, it’s much harder to restore.

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  3. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Newstalkzb has once again had a morning showing their left-wing bias. These arseholes are as pathetic as “Tojo”, Mills, Slobcom, and Lecher Len. The old adage “Birds of a Feather . . . ” really applies here.

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  4. Yvette (2,808 comments) says:

    APOLOGY
    apparently I was wrong when I questioned Annette Sykes’ knowledge of MMP in a recent report –

    Sykes said she favoured a model which she described as a partnership where Mana candidates would run in Maori seats as Mana candidates, rather than joint representatives, then the parties would negotiate their combined list.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/9936818/Dissent-as-Mana-and-Dotcom-draw-nearer

    Apparently on the voting paper Hone Harawira can be named as a Mana Party candidate on the right side for Electorate Vote, but will have a blank opposite his name for Party Vote, while somewhere below in the Party Vote [left] half, a Mana/Internet Party name [or whatever the "umbrella" or "component" party is called] will appear for a Party Vote tick.

    It seems the relationship between the two will not be explained in any way on the voting paper – the voter will have to be made aware through Mana or Dotcom publicity what to do

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  5. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Peters at it again. Would this supposed special help be any different than what the Government did for Fonterra and other dairy companies ?
    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/22670380/peters-promises-more-oravida-evidence/

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  6. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Ross thats exactly the problem, other companies have asked for their help but have got none.
    Collins needs to go to save the party

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  7. Chuck Bird (4,880 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne’s son James Dunne comment about inside knowledge how Parliament works is not a good look. I heard on Seven Sharp so could have the exact quote wrong but it certainly did not sound good to me.

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  8. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Chuck i wonder if he knows how his dads sexting works as well?

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  9. iMP (2,384 comments) says:

    Silly Ridge: out for a Golden Duck.

    Adam Parore: 100 not out.

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  10. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    iMP
    Id say more giraffe than duck in that photo, Shes really really ugly, it even makes her slutty daughter look half ok

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  11. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    martinh: are you nasty in real life?

    Or, are you a repressed individual who would like to be nasty but only has the courage to express your inner nastiness anonymously in online forums?

    I just don’t like your comments regarding the daughter.

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  12. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Labour will announce a new policy today… beneficiaries to get 10% bonus benefits awarded as airpoints

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  13. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Wreck1080
    You obviously didnt watch the Rydes tv series, she put herself out there as being a tart so she reaps what she sows.

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  14. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “…..Peter Dunne’s son James Dunne comment about inside knowledge how Parliament works is not a good look….”

    Another power-hungry know-it-all who will one day help to further the government as an omnipresent central authority.

    “……..Liberty, as Lord Acton describes it, “is the delicate fruit of a mature civilization.” “In every age,” he goes on, “its progress has been beset by its natural enemies, by ignorance and superstition, by lust of conquest and by love of ease, by the strong man’s craving for power and the poor man’s craving for food.” This dichotomy that he describes creates a natural order where “the perpetual struggle for existence, depriving men of all interest and understanding in politics, has made them eager to sell their birthright for a pottage[in these days welfare & socialism], and ignorant of the treasure they resigned……….”

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  15. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    UN to Putin: Sorry, we don’t buy it.

    Moscow officials blast UN report claiming ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine falsely claimed assault:

    “The report released Tuesday said that corruption, a lack of independence of the judiciary and a lack of free elections were among the root causes of popular protests that took place in Ukraine from November to February.

    The report also said 121 people — the majority of them protesters — died during the protests and there were also numerous accounts of torture and ill-treatment of protesters.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/15/ukraine-launches-anti-terror-operation-against-pro-russian-forces/

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  16. dirty harry (483 comments) says:

    Good job…greedy tart..now foxtrot oscar

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/9947357/Sally-Ridge-claim-doomed-to-fail

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  17. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    @martinh:

    No i steer clear of reality programs and poor quality TV like paris hilton/kardashians and apparently ‘the ridges’ . I was only vaguely aware they were messing around with TV.

    Regardless, it is not nice way to speak about her even if it were true. And the whole double standards thing, ok for men but not for women. I think it should be OK for women too without the S* and W* words.

    Incidentally, Sally Ridge seems to have gotten what she deserves. She appears to have been given bad advice or been hellbent on revenge.

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  18. iMP (2,384 comments) says:

    1. John Key reaches out to Maori party when he didn’t need them.
    2. John Key has a dinner fundraiser on behalf of Maori party ($5000 a pop).
    3. National supports an accord with ACT (who believe in incest and polygamy).
    4. National supports an accord with ACT (currently 0.00% in polls).
    5. National supports an accord with United (alleged cabinet paper leaks, sexting, drugs minister’s son is a pro-drugs advocate)
    6. National supports an accord with United (currently 0.00%).

    7. Conservatives, 2.9% in polls (Independent Poll of Polls).

    National not interested in an accord. YEAH, RIGHT.

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  19. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    I’m surprised Winston Peters opened Pandora’s box with his accusations of ‘conflict of interest’ yesterday – but not surprised Judith Collins spotted the gap and went for it….

    Some years ago, Peters asked a series of questions in the House relating to specific drugs and whether they would receive Pharmac funding. But the drugs were marketed by a company well known to Peters – Janssen Cilag. The reason the Company was well known to Peters was simple – at the time of his questions, the GM of Janssen Cilag was Winston Peters’ partner – Jan Trotman. Now that was a conflict of interest!

    Whale has already published the details: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/03/winston-peters-conflicts-interest/

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  20. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    @wreck
    Ok fair enough, il try and tone it done another time, i just use to calling a spade a spade

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  21. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    If you knuckleheads had actually read the judgments and earlier media reports you might have a more sophisticated understanding of what has happened, rather than thinking it is all about a golddigger going after her ex-husband’s millions.

    It seemed to me the story was more about how Parore had managed to winkle away so many assets upon the end of their relationship when he had virtually nothing when they began their relationship (and she had a shitload). All these trust structures were set up at his behest yet the story is slanted against her as if she is some dumb broad who didn’t understand what was going on. On the other hand Parore is a guy with commercial nous (and law and accounting degrees).

    Sure it looks like they ran a hopeless argument but this litigation was only in respect to a single asset (the shares in one company). We don’t know what has gone on with regards to all their other properties, assets etc.

    Of course, that doesn’t make for exciting headlines or sell papers. But it makes for a more sensational story, as you all amply demonstrate.

    N.B. I have never watched an episode of the Ridges!!

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  22. smttc (752 comments) says:

    Is Colin Craig paying you to write your comment posts on kiwiblog John?

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  23. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    All I know about this is what I’ve seen in the public arena.

    I had already noticed that a James Dunne was representing the legal high industry and presumed there was either a family connection oe it was a coincidence, but I didn’t think it mattered.

    valuable inside knowledge of how Parliament works in New Zealand

    Obviously in some ways he will have a very good insight into how Parlaiement works, but he could have worded this much better.

    My biggest issue with this is with Seven Sharp. They have promoted it as big news:

    Peter Dunne and Legal Highs Son

    An exclusive on the link between a Peter Dunne and the man fighting against his crackdown on legal highs.

    And as Karol says they “claim that at the least there is an appearance of conflict of interest.”

    That’s because they have created that appearance and highlighted it as significant news. They have provided no evidence at all to make it any more than a manufactured perception. If they had said nothing there would be little or no public perception.

    TVNZ have tried to create news out of nothing of substance. This is very poor journalism.

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  24. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    70 travellers blown up by the religion of peace in Nigeria and the world’s MSM react with a ho hum passing mention.

    One blond South African shot by nutty cry baby and the world’s MSM is in overdrive.

    And they wonder why they’re held in utter contempt.

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  25. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    ” National supports an accord with ACT (who believe in incest and polygamy).”

    Er…..right, sure.

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  26. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Nickb
    Well you summed it up well a dumb broad, and the judge agreed.
    If Parore took her for a ride then she was too dumb to see it.

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  27. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    How is it poor journalism? I think it’s a matter of public interest that a Minister’s son represents an industry his father is attempting to regulate.

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  28. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    I agree with you Mike
    This is the Minister who seems to of leakied the confidential govt report yet says he didnt

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  29. tvb (4,416 comments) says:

    For mana-internet list to get seats using the coat tail provision they will need to be the same party that wins an electorate seat. So an umbrella party would need to be created. The mechanics of that would need careful negotiation.

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  30. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    James Dunne boasts that he specialises in that field of personal misery at Chen Palmer.

    http://www.chenpalmer.com/people/james-dunne/

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  31. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    How is it poor journalism? I think it’s a matter of public interest that a Minister’s son represents an industry his father is attempting to regulate.

    This times 1,000,000,000,000.

    Seems another case of Pete not being able to see the Possum for the trees.

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  32. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I see Pete is also on about the ‘phantom MP’ who was set to join the Internet Party. The likeliest candidate for this role was Peter Dunne.

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  33. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    When are the next set of polls due out?

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  34. big bruv (13,884 comments) says:

    So is it true that Cuntliffe has dumped his lickspittle Micky Savage?

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  35. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    He should dump McCarten while he’s at it. Talk about epic fail.

    I saw Cunliffe on tv this morning talking about his silly road reform. He was smiling all the way through it, which made him look creepy and disingenuous.

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  36. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Sir Don McKinnon has declared the “China century” for New Zealand, and shortly before advocated our country become a republic.

    If he’s not a hypocrite he should renounce his knighthood, a very British NZ relic.

    With the way Chinese business links have been embarrassing its MP’s, National better not hope China ties and republicanism aren’t election issues.

    Meanwhile, with the milk-powder price diving, National’s strong focus on trade dependent on one product in one market rather than broad international trade may come home to bite it before the election.

    Sir Don McKinnon on China:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/china-business-2013/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503331&objectid=11238088

    McKinnon on a republic:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11238122

    Milk prices diving:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11238690

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  37. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    If Parore took her for a ride then she was too dumb to see it.

    Thanks for that wisdom martin. You are obviously a walking irony-free zone

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  38. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    Sir Dong and other Chinaphiles beware,even the Chicoms don’t believe this is their century.They’re shitting themselves and need a massive state apparatus to maintain “stability”.

    http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?we_cat=3&art_id=144579&sid=42063633&con_type=1&d_str=20140416&fc=4

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  39. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Suspected Muslim extremists kidnapped about 100 girls from a school in northeastern Nigeria, less than a day after militants bombed a bus station and killed 75 people in the capital a surge of violence that raised new doubts about the military’s ability to contain an Islamic uprising.

    The attacks by the Boko Haram terrorist network have killed more than 1,500 people in this year alone, compared with an estimated 3,600 dead between 2010 and 2014.

    Islamic extremists have been abducting girls to use as cooks and sex slaves.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11238992

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  40. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    A man who made a great contribution to his country:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9945004/Owen-Woodhouse-dies-aged-97

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  41. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    nick – to be fair, she had a kid with Parore and gave it Matthew ridges last name. thats pretty evil.

    course, the judge should have given parore 6 months hard labour for being such a soft cock

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  42. iMP (2,384 comments) says:

    smttc (638 comments) says: April 16th, 2014 at 9:01 am
    Is Colin Craig paying you to write your comment posts on kiwiblog John?

    No smttc, I have no financial connection to the Conservative Party. Just crunching the numbers and seeing if we want a stable center-right govt after 20 Sept. (despite how woeful David Cunliffe is) straining at Peter Dunne and ACT is a complete waste of time.

    Key knows that, I’m sure, so I would expect a move. Let’s see.

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  43. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Possum Pete Dunne’s son embarrassed him on TVNZ’s show “Sevensharp” last night.

    James Dunne, an expert on law around legal highs, acting on behalf of legal-highs company, was shown as saying he has been involved with Government departments on the issue.

    Dad looked to be playing Possum when TVNZ tried to nail him for an online comment, though he gave a statement.

    As the TV hosts said: politics is about perception and this is a bad look.

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  44. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    AC/DC are done :(

    “More than a month ago, founding member, rhythm guitarist, co-producer and co-songwriter Malcolm Young had a stroke, which left a blood clot on his brain. When AC/DC reunited at the start of April to begin a month of rehearsals, in the lead-up to new album recording sessions, Malcolm discovered he couldn’t play. At least, he couldn’t play like he used to play.”

    Devastated

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  45. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    UN idiot slams UK,ignores real world problems,as Shawn points out ,kidnapping in Nigeria.

    But it is now the white man’s burden to be blamed for all the social ills of the world.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605235/Britains-boys-club-culture-makes-sexist-country-world-says-UN-expert.html

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  46. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Kim Dotcom’s Internet Party says discussions with a sitting electorate MP who was poised to join the party have ended due to the prospect of a tie up with Hone Harawira’s Mana Party.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/election-2014/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503581&objectid=11238656

    Ok, this had to have been Dunne. What other sitting MP would think about joining IP but balk at Mana?

    And Bryce Edwards at his sickening worst. Ugh.

    “Hone Harawira – the great unifier of Mana.com”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11238477

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  47. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re my 9.43 post on Possum Dunne’s son: whoops, I didn’t see you guys were already on to it. And that Pete George was of course springing to the defence of the top possum. Sorry folks, should have read the thread first.

    The campaign against the synthetic narco business is a political disgrace.

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  48. Than (472 comments) says:

    Pete George, I’ve just had a skim of Politicheck and it’s not a bad start.

    The only verdict I would regard as significantly biased would be regarding ECE costs for 25 hours, for two reasons. First, John Key’s statement did not specify the $600-$800M as being per year. He could claim his figure was over a 3 year government term and his figures would then be consistent with Politicheck’s. Second and more important, the verdict only mentions John Key being incorrect. Cunliffe’s numbers were equally incorrect, massively understating the cost of the policy. The verdict should state that the true cost falls between the two claims.

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  49. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Dunne was a very unlikely phantom for the Internet Party and he was one of the first to adamantly deny it was him. It made no sense that he would do it, he’s never been a fan of Dotcom and vice versa, Dotcom saw Dunne as a GCSB traitor.

    It made no sense for any MP to throw away any chance of retaining their electorate seat.

    It may have made a little sense if an MP had been rejected as a candidate and they were desperate and dumb.

    The most likely explanation is either Dotcom is talking porkies or he significantly misinterpreted an MP’s intent.

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  50. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    They are all in their 60s, aren’t they dime? How long can some of these bands continue anyway? Time to fade away?

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  51. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Still think Dunne could be the one, Pete. He has form for this sort of thing, hasn’t he? Palling up with the Christians, outdoor recreation, etc, etc…He longs to be more than a one-man band and lead an actual political party.

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  52. minus (192 comments) says:

    tvb – For mana-internet list to get seats … an umbrella party would need to be created. The mechanics of that would need careful negotiation.

    It may also take time. The Internet Party has not yet been registered. An arrangement with Mana has not yet been approved. But a final Party List needs to be lodged with the Electoral Commission by Writ Day – Wednesday August 20. Farting around the country holding hui may need to be a foreshortened process.

    Also, it seems the Electoral Commission will not be “proactive” – it will respond rather than initiate.
    Parties deviating from the norm will likely have to publicise that themselves, plus how they hope to achieve their aims. Otherwise you will just get a Voting Paper and have to figure it out yourself.

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  53. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Than – thanks for the feedback.

    Yes, Key could claim that his estimates covered three years, or ten years, or whatever, but the onus is on him to be specific. He was asked to clarify and he chose not to.

    It was stated that “Labour have costed it at $57 million in 2017/18 rising to $63 in 2020/21 which seems conservative”. They were also asked to substantiate their estimates and haven’t responded. That post was checking Key’s claim, we intend to follow up on Labour’s claim and address that separately.

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  54. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    mikenmild – Angus is 59, Brian Johnson is 66

    Their last tour was their biggest ever. It was the 4th biggest tour in history – average attendance was 30,000. They grossed about 450 million.

    The plan was to do one more album – their 40th anniversary and then do 40 shows.

    That would have been sweet.

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  55. big bruv (13,884 comments) says:

    “Malcolm discovered he couldn’t play. ”

    Some of us worked that out a couple of decades ago.

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  56. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Milkenmild posted at 9.54 of Possum Dunne:

    He longs to be more than a one-man band and lead an actual political party.

    There’s possum and there’s Pete from Dunedin, that makes a band of at least two!

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  57. OTGO (548 comments) says:

    I don’t get the whole legal high vs illegal high issue. How come natural weed is banned and fake stuff is legal? What would happen in the workplace if we tested for drugs. Would the tests pick up the legal stuff?

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  58. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    OTGO (10.08): the problem seems to be that marijuana is a fairly uniform composition and can be identified, while the synthetic narco’s can just keep varying the composition of the “legal highs”, giving them a way to legally and politically twist.

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  59. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Synthetic cannabis puts more New Zealanders in hospital per use than any other drug and experts say it is a ”timebomb” that will strain the public health system for years to come.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/global-drug-survey/9945906/Synthetic-cannabis-risk-vast

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  60. EAD (1,069 comments) says:

    Harriet @ 8.37

    Lord Acton was a wise man. My favourite quote of his is

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”

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  61. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Synthetic cannabis does seem to have a bad reputation. Time to legalise the natural stuff. High time, in fact.

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  62. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Some of us worked that out a couple of decades ago.” – im guessing that’s an attempt at humour bruv. god i hope it is.

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  63. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (888 comments) says:

    The fact of the matter is Judith Collins gone by lunch time today…..Key’s days are numbered now….

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  64. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (1,789 comments) says:
    April 16th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    “Synthetic cannabis puts more New Zealanders in hospital per use than any other drug and experts say it is a ”timebomb” that will strain the public health system for years to come.”

    What it actually says

    Toxic symptoms generally last no longer than 3-4 hours, with no remaining adverse effects in many cases. However there is increasing concern about serious acute and long-term toxicities and long-lasting psychosis in some consumers. People with pre-existing mental health conditions appear to be particularly negatively affected by synthetic cannabinoids.

    The National Poisons Centre reports that the increased availability of synthetic cannabinoids has resulted in more calls from doctors and ambulance officers reporting breathing problems, paranoia and recurring psychotic episodes. New Zealand doctors have reported concerns over the increase in clients in their emergency departments suffering adverse effects.

    The inventor of synthetic cannabinoids, Emeritus Professor John Huffman, has publically declared his concern over their use, saying they can lead to serious psychological problems which may be irreversible.

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  65. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Alcohol

    Drinking too much alcohol can affect the body very badly. Effects can vary depending on a person’s weight, metabolism and how long ago they have eaten.

    The immediate effects of drinking alcohol can include:

    initial relaxation
    reduced concentration
    lack of coordination and slow reflexes
    mood changes, aggression or being overly emotional
    confusion, blurred vision and poor muscle control
    nausea, vomiting and incontinence
    alcohol poisoning
    coma and death.

    The day after heavy drinking, most people experience an unpleasant ‘hangover’. This is because, even though it is a liquid, alcohol dehydrates the body, causing headaches, nausea, tiredness and depression.

    Long-term effects

    Heavy drinking over a long period of time causes damage to many parts of the body, including:

    the nervous system: loss of feeling in hands and feet, ‘pins and needles’
    the brain: brain damage, loss of memory, hallucinations, confusion
    the heart: high blood pressure, enlarged heart, irregular pulse
    the lungs: increased risk of infections
    the liver: cirrhosis, severe pain, swelling, liver cancer, hepatitis
    the skin: sweating, bruising, ‘flushes’
    the blood: red blood cell damage
    the stomach and digestive system: increased cancer risk, bleeding, ulcers
    muscles: weakness, damage to muscle tissue
    the pancreas: inflammation
    for men: impotence, shrinking of testicles, sperm damage and lower sperm count
    for women: increased gynaecological problems, foetus damage if pregnant, increased risk of breast cancer.

    Link
    http://origin-interactives.stuff.co.nz/gds/

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  66. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Griff,

    It was a direct quote. So that is what it actually said. Not sure what your point was.

    Nasty stuff either way. I’m inclined to agree with Mike that we should legalize marijuana and kick the synthetics out.

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  67. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “The fact of the matter is Judith Collins gone by lunch time today…..Key’s days are numbered now….”

    There’s a placebo effect in the economy in a bubble form masquerading as economic growth.

    National will get credit for the deception then the bubble will burst.

    $60 bill deficit is the reality.

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  68. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://drugfoundation.org.nz/synthetic-cannabinoids

    The quote is Not in the report on Drug use

    Your quote is a news beat up.

    as is your baseless stance

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  69. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business,

    December figures show that total manufacturing rose 5.7 percent. That does not sound like a bubble, it looks like real economic growth.

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  70. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Griff,

    It was part of a story relying on experts. Get a grip.

    “”We are sitting on a timebomb with these,” said Leo Schep, of the National Poisons Centre.”

    I think Schep probably knows what he’s talking about.

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  71. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I think you have debt confused with deficit, wikiriwhis.

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  72. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “I think you have debt confused with deficit, wikiriwhis.”

    All in all not good PR though

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  73. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “December figures show that total manufacturing rose 5.7 percent. That does not sound like a bubble, it looks like real economic growth.”

    And probably is but I am concerned with TPP and how the economy will be affected.

    Something tells me TPP is going to bring out the real truth of our economic strength and blow the substance out.

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  74. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “The plan was to do one more album – their 40th anniversary and then do 40 shows.

    That would have been sweet.”

    But was it realistic ? At 59 and 66

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  75. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “but I am concerned with TPP and how the economy will be affected.”

    Why? TPP is likely to increase growth. More free trade is a good thing.

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  76. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    @ShawnLH: As per usual, journalists can’t do statistics:

    http://www.statschat.org.nz/2014/04/16/ways-not-to-use-the-global-drug-use-survey/

    The claim is bullshit.

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  77. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Interesting to see failed socialist, none other than Palmer, is principal of the company Dunne’s son is employed by. This hopeless old coot gets under the feet of everyone, still!

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  78. mister nui (1,027 comments) says:

    Hey Dirty Harry, where did Xero finish up yesterday????

    I stand by my prediction of it hitting 17 bucks. In fact, I believe it will fall a lot further than that, but, will stick with the 17 buck prediction for now.

    The ~200 million of cash only backs ~$1.80 of the share price. The rest is based on future earnings, of which there is no chance of a dividend for many years. What sort of return on investment people thought they were going to get at $40, buggered if I know….

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  79. UrbanNeocolonialist (288 comments) says:

    Cannabis screws up brain development in young adults:
    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-04-casual-marijuana-linked-brain-abnormalities.html

    I’d be fine with legalisation if it didn’t destroy short term memory, produce laziness and in some cases apparently induce schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Anything that hurts long term brain function should be illegal, as the welfare state/taxpayer picks up the bill. Or perhaps make it legal with caveat that users don’t get welfare (and THC is easy to test for).

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  80. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘Anything that hurts long term brain function should be illegal’
    You’ll be pushing to make alcohol illegal then.

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  81. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    Who is running the Herald Poll today?
    Vladimir Putin?

    All the possible answers are virtually the same

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11239028

    Paul Henry – Auckland mayor?

    4250–4300 votes
    Oh no. No no no no no. 39%
    39%
    You’re 15 days too late for April Fool’s 20%
    20%
    Well, he can’t cause more controversy than Len Brown. Surely… 19%
    19%
    If Boris and Rob Ford can do it…then Henry can 22%

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  82. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    @ShawnLH: Just 5 out of the 29 chapters in the TPP are about traditional trade issues. Why do you think the other 24 things would assist in economic growth in NZ?

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  83. dirty harry (483 comments) says:

    “Hey Dirty Harry, where did Xero finish up yesterday????”

    Dunno but its up .50 today at @28.95.

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  84. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) aims to create a regional free trade agreement involving 12 Asia Pacific countries: Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Peru, Singapore, the United States, Viet Nam, Mexico, Canada and New Zealand. The agreement would deepen economic ties between its diverse members by opening up trade in goods and services, boosting investment flows, and promoting closer links across a range of economic policy and regulatory issues.

    As well as tangible benefits for our exporters and consumers, TPP would safeguard New Zealand’s longer term trading interests. TPP is potentially a platform for wider, regional economic integration. The negotiation gives New Zealand an opportunity to shape future trade liberalisation in the Asia-Pacific region in line with the high quality benchmarks set by the original Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership (P4) Agreement.”

    http://mfat.govt.nz/Trade-and-Economic-Relations/2-Trade-Relationships-and-Agreements/Trans-Pacific/index.php

    That’s why. A free trade agreement involving 12 pacific countries would be a good step in the right direction.

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  85. dirty harry (483 comments) says:

    I still think Mighty River is a buy..sitting on 2.17 today..is valued at 2.70..no thanks to russel and co.

    disclaimer: own mrp shares.

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  86. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “no thanks to russel and co.”

    None at all. Shouldn’t there be a law against economic sabotage? Norman and Cunliffe could share a cell.

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  87. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    One would think that a broad free-trade agreement like the TPP would have significant advantages for NZ. There’s likely to be a significant downside, though, but I doubt the MFAT website mentions anything about that.

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  88. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    What do you think the downside will be Mike?

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  89. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    Yesterday marked the first anniversary of the Boson Marathon bombing.A tragedy that spawned a plethora of an amazing array of the most lunatic false flag conspiracy theories. A prime instigator and spreader of this was Paranoia Prince Alex Jones of Infowarrs infamy.
    Despite the presence of an abundance of video ,stills and eyewitness accounts ,much of which rapidly made its way on fb and Twitter , this did not deter Truthers and an Cters, putting forward their utterly absurd theories.I
    n a way it was like 9/11 in microcosm which itself witnessed a similar presence of a profusion of visual evidence and eyewitness accounts stating the patently obvious.!

    http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/04/what_happened_in_boston_more_photos_more_videos_and_more_witnesses_mean.html

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  90. OTGO (548 comments) says:

    There are 4 countries in the TPP that have “food power” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_power and as luck would have it we are one of them. The power of these 4 countries far outweighs the others combined. For the life of me I can’t see a downside unless the trade off is immigration.

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  91. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Yeah I don’t see much of downside either OTGO.

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  92. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    ShawnLH: Perhaps the downside would be in those other 24 non-trade related chapters? You know, the ones addressing whether the food safety group within MPI can continue to regulate autonomously on food safety, or whether Pharmac can remain in it’s current form, or whether NZ needs to alter it’s copyright law further for the benefit of IP trolls in the US, to name but a few.

    I mean, you wouldn’t just take MFAT’s word for it before claiming it will do great things, right? You’d at least attempt to get an overview of what is actually proposed, so you would be informed, right?

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  93. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    leftyliberal,

    None of the issues you raise look like downsides to me. And given your pseudonym I’m unlikely to share your left-liberal concerns anyway.

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  94. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    According to reports (because the actual details are secret), the TPP could see the end of parallel importing, much longer copyright terms, significant increases in the price of pharmaceuticals, and limit to the power of government to impose health and environmental regulations.

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  95. dirty harry (483 comments) says:

    Nothing less than the death penalty for this piece of shit..

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9947492/Man-pleads-guilty-to-killing-caregiver

    Rot you mongrel bastard.

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  96. dirty harry (483 comments) says:

    another mongrel native ..

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9948580/Woman-sentenced-for-starving-dog-to-death

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  97. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    ShawnLH: Just because my pseudonym contains ‘left’ and ‘liberal’ doesn’t mean I won’t agree with folk on the ‘right’ or that hold some ‘authoritarian’ or ‘conservative’ views.

    There’s no need for tribalism, when there’s a large common ground where agreement and compromise might be reached, right?

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  98. lilman (958 comments) says:

    YES,American drone nails New Zealand Al-Queada rag head.
    best news all day.

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  99. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Fair enough LL. It’s just my experience that most people who advertise their politics in their online name tend to be fiercely tribal.

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  100. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “another mongrel native ..”

    What she did was evil. So is racism.

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  101. OTGO (548 comments) says:

    I love when leftys always look for the downside in anything. They use terms like could, might, maybe, perhaps, possibly etc. Never optimistic about anything. Never prepared to have a crack. I see them on the golf course always playing safe taking 3 wood off the tee, always chipping out laying up to make bogey. I despise them and their low handicaps…

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  102. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Are you using a metaphor, or can you really discern someone’s politics by the way they play golf?

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  103. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    Twitter (or any other media) pranksters making hoax threats against airlines.

    Simple.

    Ban for life from ever travelling on an airplane.Same for those pricks who target planes with lasers.

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  104. dirty harry (483 comments) says:

    Hey I just call it as I see it Shawn…if the offender is a native , the offender is a native. Would you rather I used the word indigenous , is that easier on you?

    It is not racist to highlight facts Shawn and I will not be shouted down by the handwringers and touchy feely do-gooders who all too frequently scream racist at the drop of a hat.

    To them I say..fuck you.

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  105. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    re lilman post.

    Here it is.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-extremists-killed-in-us-predator-drone-strike-in-yemen/story-fncynjr2-1226885956482

    Yesterday some raghead hugger wanted “evidence” of militant Islam in Aotearoa. Well here ya go.

    Can’t wait for our MSM to do the indepth reports that are necessary following this tragic loss to the country (te he he)

    Who was he? Where’d he pray? Grieving family? You know the usual shit we get from our MSM when a “kiwi” makes it big on the international stage……..

    ……I won’t hold my breath,move along please ,nothing to see here.

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  106. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Is Minister for Justice Judith Collins going to be CRUSHED with CORRUPT ‘conflicts of interest’?

    In my considered opinion – YES.

    What concerns me is from where do Ministers / MPs / the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet (DPMC)/ the party political Office of the Prime Minister / the Prime Minister’s Chief of Staff Wayne Eagleson get their TRAINING / ADVICE / UNDERSTANDING about what constitutes corrupt ‘conflicts of interests’?

    Because, in my considered opinion, they don’t appear to have a clue.

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/business/qoa/00HOH_OralQuestions/list-of-questions-for-oral-answer

    Questions for Oral Answer

    Wednesday, 16 April 2014
    Questions to Ministers

    Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE to the Prime Minister: Does he have confidence in the Hon Judith Collins and her handling of her relationship with Oravida Ltd?

    GRANT ROBERTSON to the Minister of Justice: Was the employer of the senior Chinese border control official, who she had dinner with in Beijing in October 2013 on her Ministerial visit to China, from the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine also known as the AQSIQ?

    Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS to the Minister of Justice: Why will she not identify the senior Chinese border official with whom she met on 20 October 2013, and disclose the business that was discussed at the dinner with him that evening?

    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright

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  107. dirty harry (483 comments) says:

    Who cares Penny..its yesterdays news , its been dealt with..move on ya clown.

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  108. bringbackdemocracy (427 comments) says:

    During the anti-smacking law debate, Peter Dunne said he never smacked his children.

    Maybe he could start now!!!!!

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  109. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    kowtow, yes evidence of someone living in Townsville holding dual citizen ship but hardly evidence that Jihadist terrorists are overtaking either Australia or Aotearoa, if thats what your paranoid about.?

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  110. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Hey I just call it as I see it Shawn”

    Not really. You call it to fit your bigotry.

    “if the offender is a native , the offender is a native.”

    In fact you said “another mongrel native” so your defence is an attempt to cover your ass.

    “It is not racist to highlight facts Shawn”

    It is racist to misuse facts in such a way that promotes racial bigotry.

    “and I will not be shouted down by the handwringers and touchy feely do-gooders”

    Nobody is shouting. I’m further to the Right than many on this blog, and I supported three strikes.

    But being tough on crime, or Right wing, is not what you were doing. You were engaging in racist generalisations that suit your prejudice.

    You can do that if you want. But whining when your called on it won’t help.

    It is ignorant bigots like you who give the Right a bad name.

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  111. OneTrack (3,088 comments) says:

    wiki – “National will get credit for the deception then the bubble will burst.”

    On, or just after September 21, if the voters go for more free stuff?

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  112. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    stuffupboy

    Exactly where did anyone say they are “overtaking”?

    Keep making shit up,it suits your lying, apologist anti western postures.

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  113. David Garrett (7,271 comments) says:

    Shawn: Excellent to hear that you were one of the 87% of New Zealanders who supported three strikes…

    This latest mongrel who has pleaded guilty to the murder of the young woman in Christchurch, and to various offences involving two German backpackers, also has a “long and varied criminal history.” It would be impossible to do because of the bloody Privacy Act, but it would be fascinating to know how many recidivist villains would have been prevented by 3S from committing their most recent offence (if 3S had been in force at the time of their second last offence) because they would have been in jail.

    Just out of interest…how many readers think that villains sentenced to imprisonment should lose their right to privacy, and have their details and crimes put up on the net, as in Arizona and probably other US states?

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  114. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Any Wellingtonian’s out –can you recommend a good electricity supplier. Are all retail suppliers “connected” with Wellington Electricity Lines Ltd?
    I’m with Energy Online –just got a letter saying my daily connection charge will increase from $0.87/day to $1.90/day due the way the lines company have changed the way they charge ( other costs are meant to have gone but I can’t find them !!!).
    Are all the retailers affected by this –ie. Wellington Electricity Lines have a supply monopoly for the city.

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  115. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Just out of interest…how many readers think that villains sentenced to imprisonment should lose their right to privacy, and have their details and crimes put up on the net, as in Arizona and probably other US states?

    Count me in. A quick poll in our lunchroom – another 7 are for it and zero against.

    But no surprises – we don’t have any criminals here, either… :D

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  116. David Garrett (7,271 comments) says:

    Elaycee: I suspect those in favour of such a proposal would greatly outnumber those against…and most people dont realise just how hard it is to get sent to prison in this country. I was talking to a woman the other day whose estranged husband pleaded guilty to indecent assault on her….it was assault with intent to rape, ( a charge carrying a ten year prison sentence) not Graeme Edgeler’s famous “drunken grope”…the guy also had numerous breaches of a protection order made in favour of the same woman. His sentence? Six months Community work… not even Home D…the victim is, understandably, flabbergasted and hugely pissed off…

    Apparently the prick smirked and laughed as she read her victim impact statement…no censure from the Judge…you can’t enforce remorse, but surely a Judge can enforce polite behaviour?

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  117. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    kowtow, well sunshine what was the point you were trying to make other than Oz and NZ might be overrun by Jihadist terrorists.??

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  118. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    kowtow yesterday: ‘yes there is a militant threat’
    kowtow today: ‘Exactly where did anyone say they are “overtaking”?’

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  119. David Garrett (7,271 comments) says:

    Milky: I am coming late to this, and haven’t read the posts thereon…but are you saying you perceive no threat at all to our way of life if Muslims were allowed to get to – say – 5% of our population? Before answering you should perhaps refresh your memory of what has happened in Australia…does anyone know what proportion of the Aussie population is Muslim?

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  120. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Keep making shit up,it suits your lying, apologist anti western postures.

    Oh come on kowtow, one thing you can’t say about stephie is that he is anti-Western. In fact he far more pro-Western than some of the Righties on this blog. I don’t always agree with stephie, being a liberal and all, but he’s no slouch when it comes to standing up for the West.

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  121. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    What has happened in Australia, David? Some calamity I’m unaware of?

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  122. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Just out of interest…how many readers think that villains sentenced to imprisonment should lose their right to privacy, and have their details and crimes put up on the net, as in Arizona and probably other US states?”

    Yup, count me in as well. There are some circumstances that should be an exception, but generally I think it’s a great idea.

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  123. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    DG – aussie is 2% muslim

    mike – they have some nasty fuckers over there. pack rapes etc where i worked on sep 11 they blew up cars in celebration.. shit like that.

    i think kiwi in america or harriet once posted a list of countries.. it showed what happened in each one with different levels of muslims.. from 1% through to 10%. scary shit.

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  124. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Here we go:

    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

    United States — Muslim 0.6%
    Australia — Muslim 1.5%
    Canada — Muslim 1.9%
    China — Muslim 1.8%
    Italy — Muslim 1.5%
    Norway — Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

    This is happening in:

    Denmark — Muslim 2%
    Germany — Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
    Spain — Muslim 4%
    Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for

    Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

    France — Muslim 8%
    Philippines — 5%
    Sweden — Muslim 5%
    Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

    When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

    Guyana — Muslim 10%
    India — Muslim 13.4%
    Israel — Muslim 16%
    Kenya — Muslim 10%
    Russia — Muslim 15%

    After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

    Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

    At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

    Bosnia — Muslim 40%
    Chad — Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

    From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

    Albania — Muslim 70%
    Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan — Muslim 70%

    After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

    Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
    Egypt — Muslim 90%
    Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
    Iran — Muslim 98%
    Iraq — Muslim 97%
    Jordan — Muslim 92%
    Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan — Muslim 97%
    Palestine — Muslim 99%
    Syria — Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
    Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

    Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
    Somalia — Muslim 100%
    Yemen — Muslim 100%

    Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

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  125. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m just wondering what kind of country we would be once we placed restrictions on citizens’ religious affiliations.
    dime – the assumptions made with that list are mostly horseshit. The percentages are just there to give it the appearance of factuality. It’s almost a gish gallop.

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  126. Albert_Ross (291 comments) says:

    Mikenmild at 11.43, is it your position that there should be /no/ restrictions on the power of Government to legislate? Bearing in mind that the Government will not always be one that you voted for, you don’t think there should be any constraints such as being based on objective analysis of sound evidence, being transparent and fair, subject to public consultation, rights to appeal, explanation of decisions, information, non-discrimination, that sort of thing?

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  127. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “I’m just wondering what kind of country we would be once we placed restrictions on citizens’ religious affiliations.”

    Or what kind of country would we be if we didnt let people who hate us move here? a sensible one?

    I dont view it as a religious thing, i view it as a group of people who hate us. if there were millions of people in the world with 2 dicks and they hate the rest of us, id say – lets not let people in who have 2 dicks!

    same as if there was a bunch of green people etc etc

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  128. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    “The plan was to do one more album – their 40th anniversary and then do 40 shows.

    That would have been sweet.”

    But was it realistic ? At 59 and 66

    The Beach Boys reunited last year for their 50th anniversary, putting out a new album that was well received, and also went on tour. Many of them were aged around 69.

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  129. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    To those who were making plugs for legal marijuana early in the string, note the following from the Stuff report about Aaron Rhys McDonald, who has pleaded guilty to the sexual violation and murder of Christchurch caregiver Amy Elizabeth Farrall, and to charges arising from his assault on two foreign hitchhikers.

    McDonald is a self-confessed drug addict who smoked cannabis daily since he was 15, a Parole Board decision says.

    It’s obviously bullshit that it’s alcohol and not marijuana that makes your aggressive.

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  130. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    dime
    Your attitude might make sense if it could be shown that Muslims as a group hate New Zealanders. Unfortunately for your argument that’s not the case.

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  131. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    “More than a month ago, founding member, rhythm guitarist, co-producer and co-songwriter Malcolm Young had a stroke, which left a blood clot on his brain. When AC/DC reunited at the start of April to begin a month of rehearsals, in the lead-up to new album recording sessions, Malcolm discovered he couldn’t play. At least, he couldn’t play like he used to play.”

    There have been people come back from that. Like guitarist Pat Martino, who suffered a brain aneurysm at age 35, underwent surgery, and afterwards suffered from amnesia, leaving him with no memories of the guitar or his musical career. He had to totally re-learn how to play guitar.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5249566

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  132. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Albert_Ross
    I’m not sure what you are getting at. Critics of the TPP are afraid that the agreement will bind NZ into positions that must then be legislated for, whether such measures are in NZ’s interest or not.

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  133. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Dime posted about Muslim immigration at 1.49:

    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups…

    I thought Muslims had been proselytising in NZ prisons for a few years now.

    And Dime, are you sure you are correct in stating Somalia is 100 per cent Muslim? I thought there was a sizeable Christian minority there. I know some of the Somalis in NZ are Christian.

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  134. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    Our Prime Minister being asked to comment on what he thinks of a policy based on science:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9948843/PM-rejects-fat-tax

    He brings up a number of points, such as how much would one need to increase the price by to have effect, and what is the elasticity of demand for such products? You’d think the reporters could have just read the research in the NZMJ for themselves to answer his queries in the piece, right?

    http://www.otago.ac.nz/wellington/otago066842.pdf

    Yes, they considered price elasticity, and yes, they assessed the impact of a particular increase (20%) on both lives saved (67/annum) and reductions in obesity and diabetes.

    Why ask the PMs thoughts on the science, when the science has already considered those very thoughts?

    The PM should instead be asked about how the evidence could be applied to reducing the public health risk. i.e. what policies would be reasonable, and why (or why not) should they be implemented. After all, there’s reasonable arguments around public good versus individual rights to be made.

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  135. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    I see that Muslim cabbies in Ohio are refusing to promote the Gay Games there, and are walking out in protest.

    CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) – Some local cabbies are taking a stand and refusing to promote a major event in the area.

    The protest centers around signs promoting the Gay Games that are on top of airport cabs.

    Some drivers, for religious reasons, are refusing to drive the cabs. And we’re told these are predominantly drivers of the Muslim faith.

    19 Action News reporter Brian Duffy spoke with about 20 cabbies at the airport who are still driving and all of them confirmed there are drivers who have walked off the job on protest. Representatives of AmeriCab, one of the three cab companies on the job at the airport, also confirmed the protest but say only one of their drivers has been reassigned.

    We’re told at least 16-17 drivers who work for Ace Taxi, another company working out of the airport, are no longer driving.

    We went to Ace but were told they were too busy to talk to us.

    Yellow Cab, a third cab company at the airport, never returned our calls.

    Today, two of the three taxi cab companies (Ace and Yellow Taxi Cab) operating from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport (CLE) were informed by several of their drivers they will no longer participate in the airport’s (CLE) dedicated taxi cab program. The drivers informed their respective companies their decision was based on religious reasons. The airport is committed to providing this necessary customer service to our arriving passengers seeking transportation from the airport to their final destination. An agreement has been brokered by the airport between the taxi cab stand operator, Standard Parking, and the affected taxi cab companies that will allow for the replacement of those drivers who no longer wish to participate in CLE’s taxi cab program. The affected taxi cab companies will backfill the airport’s dedicated fleet with metered taxi cabs until each company can hire permanent drivers for the airport’s taxi cab program. It is expected to take approximately two to three weeks to repopulate the airport’s Taxi fleet.
    Statement by Airport Director Ricky Smith

    http://www.19actionnews.com/story/25217664/cab-controversy-some-cleveland-cabbies-refusing-to-promote-a-major-event

    See, if it’s Muslims, most of the media turn the other eye, so as not to upset them.

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  136. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Don’t worry about falling dairy prices, and about international trade deals for NZ.

    Our politicians and narco’s are on track to make NZ the Colombia of synthetic cannabis. Won’t even have to export it. Just sell the formula around the world!

    To hell with “Akaroa”, the country can be renamed Narcos Zealand.

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  137. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Your attitude might make sense if it could be shown that Muslims as a group hate New Zealanders. Unfortunately for your argument that’s not the case.”

    i could get a petition signed by 99.85% of muslims that said – we HATE all non-muslims and youd be going “thats not all muslims”.

    i cant be assed debating with you. IN MY OPINION it is dangerous to have high levels of muslim immigration. in your opinion its just dandy. we will never agree so whats the point. I just hope the cunts who think like you dont out weight the assholes who think like me :)

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  138. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Go ahead and get such a petition up dime. Bet you can’t. ‘I cant be assed debating with you’ = ‘stop calling me out on bullshit’.

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  139. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Jack5
    I think liberalising New Zealand’s drug laws would provide a significant tourism boost.

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  140. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Go ahead and get such a petition up dime. Bet you can’t. ‘I cant be assed debating with you’ = ‘stop calling me out on bullshit’.”

    so my personal opinion is bullshit? im sorry, please tell me how to think oh superior one.

    i spent 5 years living around muslims. it was fucking plenty. i wont say they were all nuts.. ill just go with 97% intolerant scumbags.

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  141. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Whereas 100% of the Muslims I know are regular citizens.

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  142. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

    Dime, are you Rupert Murdoch?

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  143. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    speaking of muslims, this is a particularly frightening case in the UK…

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/operation-trojan-horse-now-25-birmingham-schools-under-investigation-for-alleged-islamic-extremist-takeover-plot-9259798.html

    If I was a honky living in birmingham i’d consider abandoning it to the muslims. They are on the cusp of taking control of some schools according to this article.

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  144. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    dime, you need to gather yourself together old son. !Whilst I e.g support Pat Condell with his criticisms of Militant Islam and Jihadisst , like him ,I do not label and demonize a whole community based on the actions of a small number.
    The Muslims living here generally are very accommodating and willing to adjust and live within our more secular society. and abide by our laws Most have sought to escape things like strict sharia and other manifestations of it’s excesses.
    How do I know,? I I work worth with some of them ( Indians ) and some are my neighbours ( iranians. ).
    Would you mind telling us a bit more about your experiences of living around them for five years.?

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  145. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    David Garrett: April 16th, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    “Just out of interest…how many readers think that villains sentenced to imprisonment should lose their right to privacy, and have their details and crimes put up on the net, as in Arizona and probably other US states?”

    Hey David, me and just about everyone I know except a couple of very left wingers. I have personally been stabbed in my home and my son was killed by a recidivist criminal. 24 convictions before doing time and it took the killing of my son to have him locked up.
    Three Strikes is GOLDEN POLICY – I am grateful to you guys.

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  146. Albert_Ross (291 comments) says:

    Mikenmild, you referred to

    limit to the power of government to impose health and environmental regulations

    as if that were a bad thing, and I was wondering whether such limits would necessarily be such bad things

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  147. edhunter (546 comments) says:

    I’m with Dime on this one, & what part of –
    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.
    did you not grasp?

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  148. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I think, Albert, that the limits feared by critics of the TPP would involve such things as the government being unable to mandate health warnings on products as this would be seen as a breach of free trade rules. Limited government is a good thing, but shouldn’t we want limits imposed by ourselves?

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  149. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    stephie – sure. i employed a bunch of young muslims. born in australia.

    they flew off the handle at the drop of a hat. they pretty much hated australians “dumb aussies” was an expression i heard about 500 times a day. they treated women appallingly. now i may joke around but my god. these guys were disgraceful. i have never come across misogynists like it. oh, this included the way they treated their mothers.

    they were violent. they all seemed to get into scraps at different times.

    they didnt live like Australians. they had no intention of ever living like the locals.

    they were racist as fuck

    so thats just the ones i worked with.

    when i was there they had problems with pack rapes.

    there was the setting cars on fire on 9/11. at the time schools had to tell kids if anyone was caught celebrating they would be suspended.

    oh, another fun example – a shit head comes into work. one of my young guys makes the mistake of shaking everyones hand in the family. including the daughter in the ninja suit. that almost resulted in the young fellas death.

    is been 12 years.. i can come up with more examples if you like..

    imho people in NZ are sheltered. muslims arent concentrated enough in any areas to really be a pain in the ass. but hang out in western sydney for a while.

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  150. Than (472 comments) says:

    Yes, Key could claim that his estimates covered three years, or ten years, or whatever, but the onus is on him to be specific.

    No, the onus is on you guys. You’re the ones making the active assertion (“John Key is wrong”), so you need to be able to justify it. Which means in the case of ambiguous statements like this one you need to give the benefit of the doubt.

    There is at least one reasonable interpretation under which John Key’s statement is factually correct. You could label the statement as misleading, deliberate spin, or whatever (which is subjective, but I’d agree applies in this case) but the statement “John Key is wrong” is simply not correct.

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  151. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    Steve Thompson 9 hours ago (edited)

    The jet 767 Air planes did Not cause the world trade centers to collapse Into Its own foot prints nano thermite was also used to cause the collapse. Google 911 Blueprint for truth, Then you can argue with over 1200 Professional Architects & Engineers.

    The Carlyle Group

    The REAL Reason Flight 370 Disappeared .

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  152. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    i forgot to add – my best friend is a gay chick. she has had some really nice interactions with tolerant muslims in sydney.

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  153. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis
    Or you could google ‘Illuminati conspiracy’ is you want more bat-shit crazy theories.

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  154. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Speaking of bat shit crazy conspiracy theories, mikenmild, do you have any answer for the evidence of nuclear fission at “ground zero” NY, i.e. the excess heat, Felipe David’s burns, and the fission products found near the WTC?

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  155. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    A post at Trip Me:

    At the end of the day, natural cannabis needs to be legalized. In an ideal world, we would have high CBD, low THC cannabis available for recreational and medical use and everyone would vaporize at a reasonable temp. But this is not an ideal world now is it?

    Natural cannabis has MUCH of the same issues that we see with synthetic cannabis, if used and abused to the same extent however.

    Any young person, under the age of 21, that smokes up to and above an ounce a week, of natural cannabis skunk, is going to suffer long term psychological damage. There have been some minor studies to prove this, but for those of us that have friends and family that have been smoking for years and years, we know this already.

    ALCOHOL does exactly the same thing, only ten times worse. We are hearing reports of people getting violent and aggressive, but there is absolutely NO denying that there is a subset of the population that has these violent and aggressive tendencies without drugs or alcohol, so of course these people are going to suffer ill-effects. Don’t act like natural cannabis somehow doesn’t have these negative side effects. Because it does.

    I find it absolutely mind blowing that people jump up and down claiming that the public is being used as some sort of human experiment, when we have these pharmaceutical companies shoveling all sorts of medicines down peoples throats that have pages upon pages of negative side effects. How IRONIC is it that most of the currently prescribed anti-depressants include side effects such as Nausea, Insomnia, Anxiety, Restlessness, Tremors, Sweating, Sleepiness or fatigue, Dry mouth, Headaches, SUICIDAL THOUGHTS!!! – Sound familiar??? (Currently about 10% of the New Zealand population are on anti-depressants)

    Almost every medicine available is an ongoing public experiment, how can you not understand this?

    We live in a world where hundreds and thousands of unregulated chemicals go in to the manufacture of house hold goods, cleaning products and our FOOD.

    We also need to understand, that the Ministry of Health obviously has some extremely high level experts working on this law. If there was some sort of immediate or serious long term harm to the public, if used correctly, do you honestly think the products would still be on the shelves? I find it very hard to believe that the chemists, scientists and doctors working for, or advising the government haven’t done some sort of due diligence to ensure people aren’t going to drop dead.

    Most of the synthetic cannbinoids were developed by some of the largest pharma companies in the world for human consumption, as medicines, or controls, or whatever, then of course many were then modified by equally intelligent chemists in order to change the effect or skirt the law. But the fact of the matter is, right now, the cannabinoids that are used in most products possibly aren’t the most ideal cannabinoids available and we are likely to see better studied and better suited noids in future products.

    The biggest issue in all of this is education. Young people simply should not be using them at all. I think the age restriction should be 21 and not 18, same with alcohol quite frankly. Personally I think ALL packs should have some sort of warning stating that the chemicals contained in these products have NOT been thoroughly tested and are to be used at a users own risk. And people need to understand that, at the end of the day, Synthetic Cannabis is a DRUG. Just because it is legal does not make it suddenly some sort of magical substance that is safe from side effects and abuse. It’s not. No drugs are!

    Somebody show me ONE cannabis user that doesn’t have problems sleeping at night or get agitated the day after smoking.
    Somebody show me ONE alcohol user that hasn’t injured themselves or killed a few brain or liver cells from binge drinking.

    The harms are all relative, and drugs are not going away any time soon. Sure we could “ban” synthetic cannabis, but there is no doubt in my mind that the people that are truly abusing these products are going to find another fix. Glue sniffing, huffing, pills, whatever.

    Let’s also remember that not all synthetic highs are created equally. There are a number of “bad apples” in the industry, and the government are doing what they can now to weed these people out. (No pun intended) – Only now are we getting to the stage where all manufacturing is closely monitored, all chemicals need to be tested for purity, we are now getting to the stage (FINALLY) where chemicals and I guess the plant matter and finished product must go through some very very strict and serious tests to ensure they are “low risk”.

    Remember that this all takes time and money. The government also requires statistics to define what should be considered “low risk” – how do they get some of those statistics? From health departments of course. Obviously we have the toxicity testing and all that, but there is certainly an element of real life case studies that are needed. We have had almost ten years of synthetic cannabis (ab)use in New Zealand and with this data, the government is able to make a more informed decision.

    We already know alcohol would NEVER pass these tests. But it’s all relative. If you are going to take a DRUG, then you know, there are some risks associated with the use of that drug. With the use of ANY drug. But consumers need to be educated that this is the case and consumers need to be of an age where they are able to make such informed decisions.

    If natural cannabis were legal, the same thing would apply.

    I’d like to take a step back for a minute, and let’s pretend like synthetic cannabis were never introduced. Where would we be along the road to better drug laws? Probably not very far, not even close to where we are now.

    So let’s look at a few statistics shall we?

    The latest global drug survey gave us an interesting insight in to New Zealand Drug Use, and it is hugely concerning;

    7.9% of New Zealanders have used LSD in the past year, 31.9% in their lifetimes.
    13.1% of New Zealanders have used “MDMA” in the past year, 36.4% in their lifetimes.
    4.9% have used Amphetamines and 3.2% have used Cocaine in the past year.

    Now let’s not kid ourselves here, how sure are we, that organized crime syndicates and local drug dealers have the end users health in mind when they are cutting their products for greater profits?

    How sure are we that those 580 THOUSAND New Zealanders that have used “MDMA” in the past year actually got MDMA? How sure are we that those pills or bags of powder were not cut with HIGHLY HIGHLY dangerous chemicals or other synthetic drugs that are not regulated or tested?

    Have any of you actually seen the number of new RC’s that are developed around the world on a monthly basis? Times are changing guys. We no longer live in the world of ‘cocaine’ ‘ecstasy’ and ‘cannabis’ – there are hundreds of thousands of drug dealers that don’t give two shits about what they are selling as long as it gives the user “a buzz” – and you know what else? – A large majority of users probably don’t give two shits about what they are taking either … so long as it gives them “a buzz”.

    The same can be said for the 350 THOUSAND New Zealanders that took what they thought was “LSD” in the past 12 months – most likely made in a lab somewhere with poor quality controls, most likely not even LSD half of the time.

    The same can be said for cocaine, meth, whatever people are taking these days. It’s a truly STAGGERING number of people that are taking recreational drugs. Unreal if you ask me.

    So the reality is, people are going to use and abuse drugs, regardless of their safety profile, regardless or their legality and regardless of the cost.

    If we, as a country, can make steps towards giving well over half a million New Zealanders (likely a hell of a lot more), the chance to use some of these recreational substances, with the knowledge that they don’t contain harmful adulterants, they are not cut to crap with god knows what, they are what they say they are on the pack (as if this happens with illegal drugs anyway) and they have the support of the health system if something goes wrong, then I truly believe we are going to be in a position where we are SAVING more lives than we are LOSING. Both in terms of fatalities and long term quality of life.

    The social and economic costs of NOT continuing down this path of regulation is, in my opinion, indescribable.

    Now … back to where we stand at this very moment. We have synthetic cannabinoids that are awaiting trials and safety testing. We also we have a subset of people that are abusing them, not knowing that they could become addicted and cause some side effects. We also have legal high companies that are selling these products and are getting a hard time.

    Sure there are some bad apples like I said above, and we all know this, but there are also somepeople, that have a much greater vision for the future of this country, and the world. A world where good, honest, law abiding citizens aren’t locked up or given a criminal record for cannabis possession … a world where good, honest people, can relax or party hard on occasion with a safe regulated recreational pill, powder or substance without the fear of retribution, whatever that may be.

    And let’s just remember that it takes time and money to get to that point. We wouldn’t be half way down that path without this new law, we wouldn’t have this new law without synthetic cannabis, and without the legal highs companies being in the financial position to afford to develop and test these substances, we will never reach that goal or that vision, and all the hard work would be unwound and the underworld will once again reign supreme.

    Let’s just hope that even after all the media hysteria, bullying and abuse at least one or two of the “good apples” can make it through and make the world a better place.

    http://www.tripme.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?11729-Anti-synthetic-rally/page6

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  156. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    wikiiri, ahh… the Flight 370 Truthers come to the rescue at last.?
    Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth? . Actually I thought it was 1500 members .? Never mind.
    A bit of perspective is called for. There are some 40,000 members of the US Institute of Architects. and they do not accept the views of the former body. Also the American society of Civil Engineers has 140,000 members and not accept Architects and Engineers for Truth claims.
    Also the leader of Architect and Engineers for Truth Richard Gage is a designer of urban shopping malls and is not a structural engineer

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  157. stigie (1,165 comments) says:

    Has Zero bottomed out yet ? $28.50. What do you think ?

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  158. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly
    So you think wikiriwhis and his 1200 architects and engineers are wrong about nano-thermite?

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  159. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    A bit of perspective is called for. There are some 40,000 members of the US Institute of Architects. and they do not accept the views of the former body.

    Why should we believe that? You’re little excursion into death-by-neutrino fantasyland tends to suggest that your grip on reality isn’t that secure.

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  160. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, what I do know is that William Rodriguez who was in the basement of WTC 1 at the time of the impact somehow miraculously survived the alleged mini nuke detonation.
    So far no evidence has been presented that a certain David Felepe was diagnosed and treated for the alleged mini nuke flash burns.
    Any others so diagnosed and treated .??

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  161. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    So you think wikiriwhis and his 1200 architects and engineers are wrong about nano-thermite?

    Not necessarily. Why is it that you go on about batshit crazy theories when you have no explanation for evidence of fission at “ground zero”?

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  162. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    Actually UT the American Institute of Architects has 83,00 members and you can contact them here for further questions about 9/11.

    http://www.aia.org/

    Am sure and confident you and Richard Gage would be laughed out f the proverbial door.

    Nano thermite.? No. But you appear to believe that mini nukes were responsible.
    Yes.?
    And Reid Energy directed particle beams I think.
    Confusing is it not.?

    There is no evidence for fission at ground zero because you repeatedly refuse to provide the visual evidence with casualties and why William Rodriguez survived intact.

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  163. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “But it is now the white man’s burden to be blamed for all the social ills of the world.”

    why not…white expansionism was rife during the 19th century

    European expansionism well before

    And we were all sadled with it.

    Slavery, holocoust, apartheid, colonianism….all white.

    Bail out Westpac but don’t dare bail out a non white.

    I can easily see the equation.

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  164. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    More here about the ongoing changing and contradictory accounts of William Rodriguez ‘s story , his rescue of David Felipe and his own miraculous unscathed survival of a “nuked ” WTC 1 basement.

    http://screwloosechange.blogspot.co.nz/2011/03/and-farther-down-rabbit-hole.html

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  165. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Slavery, holocoust, apartheid, colonianism….all white.”

    umm excuse me?

    Slavery? all white?

    do some research. then come back and tell if you were a poor african boy and had the choice, would you go to the US as a slave or the middle east. hint – there arent a lot of black guys in the middle east, guess how they were treated.

    slavery is not a race issue. it has always been a who is the most powerful thing.

    pretty sure there was some genocide going on in africa in the 90’s too

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  166. Manolo (13,746 comments) says:

    Salvery was rife among African tribes long before the white man arrived. Some historical facts are conveniently forgotten.

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  167. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Winston caught out with BS and poor research again

    “Mr Peters on Tuesday said he would reveal evidence proving government ministers gave “special help” to Oravida. But that’s turned out to be a legitimate grant to help it through the contamination crisis.

    Prime Minister John Key told reporters Oravida was one of 40 New Zealand companies that sought compensation for the losses suffered when China refused to allow any Fonterra products into the country.

    “Ministers had no involvement at all in making decisions about who got compensation,” he said.
    “Oravida got about $6500 and they were at the lower end.” “

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  168. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Actually UT the American Institute of Architects has 83,00 members and you can contact them here for further questions about 9/11.

    So you were just talking out of your arse when you said that they do not accept the views of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth?

    There is no evidence for fission at ground zero because you repeatedly refuse to provide the visual evidence with casualties and why William Rodriguez survived intact.

    Standard shill technique, attempting to define what evidence is relevant.

    When one element varies so does the other. We can state with absolute mathematical certainty that any change in the concentration of one of these elements, either the Barium or Strontium, is matched by the same change in the concentration of the other. Whatever process gave rise to the presence of either the Barium or the Strontium must have also produced the other as well. Fission is the only process that explains this.

    https://donaldfox.wordpress.com/tag/strontium/

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  169. big bruv (13,884 comments) says:

    stigie

    If I had any xero shares I would have dumped them when they reached $40.00. IHMO they are still over valued given they have yet to make a profit.

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  170. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    PG @ 3.29pm

    Excellent article doomed to be ignored by the “experts” clutching a single malt while pontificating on what they know crap about.

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  171. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    Ut, I would rally be interested in seeing the e.g the American Academy of Sciences or American Institute of Physics do a peer review of Fetzer’s theories about this “Turnary” fission business.
    I think he fails to extrapolate the kind of radiation that would be present as,

    1 natural background levels and,
    2. additional levels introduced by materials from the towers and inside the 767s.

    For all his techno babble he fails to explain why someone like Rodriguez could of survived unscathed and the many he rescued.

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  172. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly
    Why was no intense flash registered at the WTC if there was a nuclear explosion?

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  173. stigie (1,165 comments) says:

    Bruv, I would have dumped them to at $40.00 If i had bought them at say $5 – $10.

    Got to remember Bruv, they are a growth stock, so wont show a profit for a while yet .

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  174. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    milkenmild, UT like typical Truthers will be busy shifting the goal posts.Facts and evidence as to what was is bleeding obvious is not their strongpoint

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  175. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    dime (8,740 comments) says:
    April 16th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Here we go:

    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, …

    When copying and pasting it is best to provide a source from whence the content has been lifted. As far as I can tell dime’s ‘statistics’ are the work of Peter Hammond, as alluded to in this article: As Muslim population grows, what can happen to a society?”.

    It turns out Peter Hammond is a bit of a religious fanatic himself:‘Paintball pastor’ arrested after kids shot

    Controversial pro-gun lobbyist and missionary Peter Hammond is facing criminal charges after allegedly shooting children with a paint gun in a bizarre Halloween trick or treat game.

    The Reverend Hammond, head of the Peninsula-based Frontline Fellowship, was arrested after surrendering to police in Pinelands.

    At least four children allege they were hit by paintballs in Rosebank and Pinelands on the evening of October 31.

    Hammond faces charges of assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm and is due to appear in the Goodwood magistrate’s court on December 20.

    Pinelands police said he had allegedly driven around Pinelands, Rondebosch and Rosebank with his three young children in the back of his car, calling costumed youngsters over then firing paintballs.

    One boy was shot in the face.

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  176. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yoza
    From an Examiner.com ‘article’. Say no more.

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  177. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    big bruv, I regard Xero as sell at $30 and buy at 20. So could current shareholders help me out?

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  178. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Why was no intense flash registered at the WTC if there was a nuclear explosion?

    Was it in a paper bag? :P

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  179. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Yoza, whether he is a religious fanatic depends on motive. Taking his children out on Halloween night is not what the religious do. But then if this was a case of religious terrorism, intimidating children partaking of Halloween, then maybe he is.

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  180. stigie (1,165 comments) says:

    It may not get to $20.00 SPC. They always say…. time in the market rather than timing the market.

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  181. Longknives (4,737 comments) says:

    Dime- Malcolm is the greatest rhythm guitarist. They say in the old days his licks were even slicker than his little brother’s but he chose to play rhythm because he felt he didn’t have the ‘charisma’ or the ‘flash’..
    I hope the rumours aren’t true…AC/DC are one of the all-time great rock bands!

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  182. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    SPC (4,588 comments) says:
    April 16th, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    Yoza, whether he is a religious fanatic depends on motive. Taking his children out on Halloween night is not what the religious do. But then if this was a case of religious terrorism, intimidating children partaking of Halloween, then maybe he is.

    Looks that way:

    Controversial Christian evangelist Peter Hammond confirmed on Wednesday that he has been charged with assault following what he said was a Halloween “accident” with a paintball gun.
    … He said his family — he has a wife and four children — do not approve of Halloween, which they see as an “occult holiday celebrating human sacrifice, witches and goblins”.

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  183. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    stigie, agreed. But in valuing it in the here and now, as I see it, its worth the $30. But it only might be worth $40 (and then more). So buying at $30 involves risk of no gain in short term value as compared to a share that earn dividends next year. Whereas if a market correction to tech stocks without dividend flow results in a fall back to $20, it’s then a buy in the here and now because of the CG in the year ahead.

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  184. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Dime- Malcolm is the greatest rhythm guitarist. They say in the old days his licks were even slicker than his little brother’s but he chose to play rhythm because he felt he didn’t have the ‘charisma’ or the ‘flash’..
    I hope the rumours aren’t true…AC/DC are one of the all-time great rock bands!”

    yep, Malcolm is a beast.

    AC/DC could go on without Bon, but not Malcolm :(

    Out of all the rock stars and metal guys ive met, Malcolm is no 1 on my short list of who i havent met but want to meet bad.

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  185. Kiwi Dave (89 comments) says:

    “Slavery… all white.”

    A rather ill-informed statement to make on an NZ blog.

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  186. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Look out on the roads.

    More hi-tech speed cameras, similar to the one in Wellington’s Ngauranga Gorge, will be installed over the next few months, police have revealed – but they are not saying where.

    Within the next two years, they hope to have more than 60 fixed digital cameras for use at about 200 sites.

    They will be able to monitor traffic in both directions across as many as six lanes, and to distinguish between vehicles allowed to travel at 100kmh and those, such as trucks, or cars towing trailers, which can travel at only 90kmh.
    ===================================
    Today I was returning from Hamilton and parked on the side of the road was a black people mover. Parked at an angle which would make you think it was someone having a break.
    BUT don’t be fooled.

    Attached to the tow bar, low down, was a camera pointing up the road looking at the oncoming traffic. No hiding it in the van.
    Sly as fuck.

    Scummyier than criminal. Close to evil and they are not out to collect money.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/9946069/200-sites-for-hi-tech-speed-cameras

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  187. Manolo (13,746 comments) says:

    The operator of this drone ought to be commended: http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-extremists-killed-in-us-predator-drone-strike-in-yemen/story-fncynjr2-1226885956482

    TWO Australian citizens were reportedly killed in a US Predator drone strike on five al-Qaeda militants travelling in a convoy of cars in Yemen. It is the first known case of Australian extremists dying as a result of Washington’s controversial use of predator drones.

    The newspaper names the Australian citizens as Christopher Harvard of Townsville and a New Zealand dual citizen who went by the name of “Muslim bin John” and fought under the alias “Abu Suhaib al-Australi”.

    Over here the loathsome comrade Norman is crying foul.

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  188. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    When Oscar Pistorius said he wanted to be just like able-bodied
    athletes………………… who knew he meant OJ Simpson

    I see what Pistorius is doing. He is going to jail for 25 years and
    when he gets released… Bam! President of South Africa. That’s how it
    works over there, right?

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  189. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    Ugly, I’m only getting 1/4 of the genesis shares that i ordered.

    The corporates pushed the little guys out.

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  190. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    Oh dear. Poor “Abu Suhaib al-Australi”.

    Give that drone jockey a DB…..he’s earned it. :)

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  191. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    V2

    It’s not all bad for Oscar…..at least when he drops the soap in the prison showers he won’t have to bend over to pick it up. :)

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  192. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    History of violence.

    Aaron Rhys McDonald’s taste for violence started long before he murdered Christchurch woman Amy Farrall and attacked two hitchhikers on the West Coast.

    McDonald pleads guilty to murder.

    BASHED 81-YEAR-OLD IN 1997

    He served a two-and-a-half year jail stint for the Christmas Day bashing of an elderly woman in 1997.

    McDonald, who was 23 at the time, broke into 81-year-old Ethel Kyte’s home. He was looking for money for drugs.

    A later parole board decision said McDonald was a “self-confessed addict” who abused alcohol, methamphetamine and had been using cannabis daily since he was 15.

    Kyte’s family had dropped her home to watch the Queen’s Christmas message.

    Once inside, and drunk and drugged McDonald removed his shoe and beat Kyte unconscious with at least five blows to the head.

    She woke the following morning, confused and bloodied, with no memory of the attack.

    She phoned her daughter and said, ”I think something has happened”.
    ================================================

    Nice chap. Just why he wasn’t incarcerated forever we should be told.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9948218/Killer-had-history-of-violence

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  193. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    wreck, is the allocation for retail investors up on line?

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  194. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Oh, even the retail allocation gets an Amazonian pruning. So if Xero stockholders were to dump shares and take the price down to $20 I have some spare cash to invest.

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  195. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    @spc:: the calculations are up….

    Those who applied for up to NZ$2,500 of Genesis shares would receive the full 1,613 shares at NZ$1.55 per share.

    Those who bid for between NZ$2,500 to NZ$5,000 would receive 1,613 shares plus 28.75% of what was applied for.

    From $5,000.30 (3,226 shares) to $40,650.30 (26,226 shares), investors would receive NZ$3,217.80 (2,076 shares) plus 5% of what was applied for beyond NZ$5,000.30.

    For those who bid for NZ$40,650.30 (26,226 shares) and above, they would receive NZ$5,000.30 (3,226 shares).

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  196. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    wreck, that 95% clawback above $5000 worth of shares is high enough to make even Shipley’s eyes water.

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  197. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    errrr… Judith Collins is yesterday’s news ‘dirty harry’?

    Really?

    Miss this did you?

    http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/32534

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9949636/Judith-Collins-dubbed-minister-of-corruption

    There is more – but this should do for starters …..

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  198. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Why was no intense flash registered at the WTC if there was a nuclear explosion?

    Because the individual explosions were not large enough to vapourize all the surrounding steel and concrete?

    Possible yields of individual micronukes could be 0.01 to 0.01 kilotons, much smaller than that of low-yield tactical nuclear weapons.

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  199. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    And evidence that any such weapons actually exist?

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  200. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Has anyone seen a yeti or a micronuke? At least our long departed host is busy looking for the yeti.

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  201. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The latest allegations levelled by NZ First leader Winston Peters under parliamentary privilege were that Collins went to the rescue of Oravida after it wrote to the Government seeking assistance after the Fonterra botulism scare last year.

    The letter said Oravida had been “profoundly negatively” affected by the disaster and urged “ministers and the New Zealand Government to help us to navigate through this difficult time”.

    Collins has avoided the media, but told RadioLive today the allegations made by Peters were “utterly untrue”.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9949636/Judith-Collins-dubbed-minister-of-corruption

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  202. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    The real question is why so much has to be invested in new plant to manufacture milk powder (because of a surplus of local milk) when it is possible to send it direct to China as Oravida does. If there was greater volume it would be easier to get systems set up to get it through Chinese customs.

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  203. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    UT , the flash very conveniently visually untraceable and undetectable. Also William Rodriguez and those he mostly rescued very conveniently escaping vaporization or flash burns.
    I wonder if Fox , Fetzer etc have submitted their findings for peer review with say the American Nuclear Society,

    http://www.ans.org/

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  204. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    And evidence that any such weapons actually exist?

    Kuta Beach, Bali.

    “Australia tourist Rachel Hughes, 18, said she and a friend had just arrived in Kuta when the blast occurred. Standing in the foyer of the Bounty Hotel, ‘people were just walking in, blood dripping off them, burns to their face, skin coming off them,’ she told Australia’s Seven Network.”

    ” In the words of a tourist who earlier survived attacks on London during the nineties, ‘I felt my hotel shake violently and ran to look out of the window. In the distance I could see a large white mushroom cloud, and knew I wasn’t looking at an ordinary attack’.”

    In an interview tonight on ABC television’s Foreign Correspondent, Bashir claims the device that killed most people in the Bali attack was a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) “micro-nuclear” bomb.
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bashir-blames-bali-on-cia-bomb/2006/08/29/1156816891620.html

    Also now at the bottom of the ocean off Bali is the reinforcing bar (rebar) located more than fifty feet from ground zero that had been completely stripped of concrete as a result of the blast. Documented military estimates of the force required to accomplish this is roughly 1 million to 1.5 million pounds per square inch.
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1451.htm

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  205. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    9/11 Truthers laughably squabbling amongst themselves about the ludicrous implausibility of nukes vs the equally ludicrous energy directed particle beams,

    http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=167&Itemid=60

    The evidence of a micro nuclear device at Bali from the one who should know, the convicted bashir

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  206. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    No Ugly, any actual evidence. Not a far-fetched allegation that a micronuke was used in a different attack. BTW, why was no thermal pulse, shockwave or radiation observed at the twin towers?

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  207. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    “I’ve had it with my wife.” said the one drinking buddy
    to the other. “I’m filing for an divorce.”

    “Sorry to hear that mate.” said his partner. “May I ask why?”

    “I found her supply of birth control pills.” said the first.

    “Listen Frank, with all due respect to your religion, I just
    can’t see leaving your wife for what the Church says is
    a sin.”

    “It ain’t just that.” stormed Frank. “I had a vasectomy
    over five years ago.”

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  208. mandk (992 comments) says:

    UT: “Possible yields of individual micronukes could be 0.01 to 0.01 kilotons, much smaller than that of low-yield tactical nuclear weapons.”

    That’s still the equivalent of 10 tons of TNT going off. That would make quite a flash and bang.

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  209. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    No Ugly, any actual evidence.

    An energy signature consistent with a nuclear explosion is actual evidence.

    BTW, why was no thermal pulse, shockwave or radiation observed at the twin towers?

    The thermal energy melted steel and converted concrete to fine dust.
    The shockwave was measured seismically.
    Radiation was not measured because investigators were kept away from the crime scene.

    The seismic signals propagating from New York on September 11, 2001, recorded at Palisades (34 km) and published by the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University (LDEO), have here been subjected to a new critical study concerning their sources. The aim of this paper is to demonstrate that the nature of the waves, their velocities, frequencies, and magnitudes invalidate the official explanations which imply as sources the percussion of the twin towers by planes and the collapses of the three buildings, WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/seismic-evidence-implies-controlled-demolition-on-911/5313720

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  210. Reid (16,441 comments) says:

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/15/358697/us-caught-in-big-lie-over-brennan/

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  211. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, is there evidence that micro nukes exist and who has them?

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  212. Reid (16,441 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, is there evidence that micro nukes exist and who has them?

    Of course. Library of Congress ref: 15467764311.54979

    Why do you ask?

    Doesn’t everyone know?

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  213. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    is there evidence that micro nukes exist and who has them?

    The carrying case for the W54 Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM). The SADM had a yield of 0.01, or 0.02-1 kiloton and was operationally deployed between 1964 and 1988. The entire unit weighed less than 163 pounds (74 kilograms).

    http://www.brookings.edu/about/projects/archive/nucweapons/madm

    http://www.nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html

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  214. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    Manolo (12,607 comments) says:
    April 16th, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    Over here the loathsome comrade Norman is crying foul.

    Yes, this is because it was an extra-judicial killing. The only reason we have to suppose these people are guilty of anything is the say so of agencies which have next to no accountability and a history of fabricating evidence and using torture as a means of collecting intelligence.
    We do not know whether these people were guilty of anything, all we know is some more people were murdered in a US drone strike.

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  215. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, is there any evidence that anyone apart from the USA had mini nukes for the purpose of demolition?

    Or that any mini nukes had been lost by those who had them?

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  216. Reid (16,441 comments) says:

    UT sometimes I wonder if it blew up in their face but the media said it didn’t, which version they’d believe.

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  217. Johnboy (16,484 comments) says:

    ‘Whats the difference between a cow and 9/11?”

    Americans can’t milk a cow for 12 years. :)

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  218. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    This from one Andrew jackson from my previous link about the implausibility and improbability of mini nukes on 9/11,

    “The problems with both the Thermite theory and the “Nuke” theory are that they cannot explain any of the evidence listed below.

    1) There were no really bright flashes as the towers turned to dust.
    2) There were no loud explosions as the towers turned to dust.
    3) There was little or no heat in the dust cloud.
    4) To my knowledge, there is no publicly viewable research on small, concealable nuclear explosives.
    5) Nuclear explosives cannot account for the 24-foot circular holes seen in the buildings and in the street.
    6) The nuke or “large explosive/incendiary” does not explain the flipped cars and vehicles.

    So, for those saying nuke explosions did it, they aren’t like any other type of nuke seen – they are almost silent, give off no light and no heat. People have criticised Dr Wood for not being able to give the “serial number” of the weapon used. Well, all that I have seen for the nuke explanation is reference to some odd looking “micro nuke” kit on Joe Vialls’ website. If Dr Ward or any other researcher can point me in the direction of credible analysis or discussion of these supposed “micronukes”, then I am happy to look at it and consider in view of the evidence.

    Again I’d like to add there is zilch evidence from survivors and especially crucial ones like William Rodriguez, including David Felipe.
    His burns are more consistent with a fireball going down the lift shafts from the AA 11 impact..
    One can only conclude that Fox and Fetzer are in fact deluded. Note its apparent they’ve consistently failed to submit their findings to any decent kind of peer review like the American Nuclear society or a University based Professorial panel ”

    Oh Reid the irony. Truthers are very mixed up and divided over this as you have so aptly demonstrated .

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  219. Johnboy (16,484 comments) says:

    Q: What’s Al Qaeda’s favorite football team?

    A: The New York Jets

    Q: What was the last thing going through Mr. Jones’ head when he was working on the World Trade Center’s 90th floor? A: The 91st floor.

    Q: What’s the last thing that went through the minds of the 9/11 jumpers?

    A: Their ankles.

    Q: What color were Mohammed Atta’s eyes?

    A: Blue. One blue this way, the other blue that way!

    Q: What kind of pizzas did they last order at the World Trade Center?

    A: Two large planes!

    What does WTC stand for? – “What Trade Center?”

    Q: Who are the fastest readers in the world?

    A: New Yorkers. Some of them go through 110 stories in 5 seconds

    Q: Why do tourists flock to New York?

    A: It’s a blast

    The New Name for New York City: “Manflatten”

    Today FBI concluded that New York had been hit by a U.F.M (unidentified flying muslim)

    Q: What did one terrorist say to the other terrorist before boarding their respective airplanes?

    A: I slam, you slam, we all slam for Islam!

    NEWSFLASH…. The WTC has been destroyed…. thousands of New York executives feared dead…. Hookers all across the city are in mourning…..

    Q: Why didn’t Superman stop the planes from hitting the Trade Towers?

    A: Because he’s a quadriplegic!

    Q: What should have tipped off the ticket sellers?

    A: When the terrorists asked if there was anything cheaper than one-way.

    Q: What was the quickest escape time from the World Trade Center?

    A: Ten seconds flat.

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  220. Johnboy (16,484 comments) says:

    My dad died on Sept 11th 2001, he was in one of the planes. I will never forget his last words.

    Other person: What were they?

    They were… Allahu Akbar!

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  221. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    The real sounds / audio of controlled demolition compared to WTC. The comparisons are stark and revealing . Do note especially the tell tale boom, boom, crack, crack etc conspicuously absent on 9/11.
    Also absolutely no evidence of explosions of any kind coming from the base of the WTC Towers,

    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/9-11-seismic-analysis-indicative-of-explosions.1021/

    and the myths and lies of so called seismic proofs,

    http://www.911myths.com/html/seismic_proof_.html

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  222. Reid (16,441 comments) says:

    Also absolutely no evidence of explosions of any kind coming from the base of the WTC Towers,

    Says stephie, having sagely and astutely examined ONLY the sites likely to verify his predetermined assumption…

    ONLY of course, being a word not entering into the consciousness of the “wise” and “astute” stephie…

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  223. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    Reid, we await at last you presentation of the proof and evidence of the aforesaid.

    Waiting, waiting , waiting…………..!

    Why,?

    There is simply none.!

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  224. Reid (16,441 comments) says:

    Reid, we await at last you presentation of the proof and evidence of the aforesaid.

    Why dost thou await like a slack-jawed yokel stephie-junior-boy-minor-Mark-II?

    See, der, duh and d’oh: You can get proof of the explosions from the video I posted a week ago, but apparently, you’re not interested in even watching it, otherwise you’d have known that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XRMrMdn0NQ

    So what’s the point, if the evidence is posted but ya can’t even bring your moronic stoopid little self to even examine it?

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  225. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Karam awarded $535,000 over defamation

    Joe Karam has been awarded $535,000 in a defamation case against two men who launched an “all-out assault” on his reputation because of his support for David Bain.

    The online comments by Kent Parker and Victor Purkiss accused Mr Karam of being dishonest in his motivations for helping Mr Bain after he was cleared in 2009 of murdering five members of his family.

    Some of the remarks compared him to a Nazi leader, and one used his name to coin a word — “Karamalisation” — to describe how he allegedly misrepresented facts.

    Mr Karam said the public campaign against his integrity was the “worst four years” of his life, and Justice Patricia Courtney said she believed the former All Black.

    In her ruling, released yesterday, the judge identified about 50 defamatory statements published on Facebook and on a private website by Mr Parker and Mr Purkiss — members of the Justice for Robin Bain group — to which there was no defence.

    She ordered Mr Parker to pay damages of $350,500 and Mr Purkiss to pay $184,500.

    She further punished the men by awarding indemnity costs against them because they “behaved egregiously” in choosing to use the defence of truth at the trial last October.

    Mr Purkiss did not attend it, but Mr Parker admitted under cross-examination by Michael Reed, QC, that he could not prove his claims.

    The legal bill could be $500,000 according to Mr Karam, bringing to around $1 million the cost to the defendants. That would make it one of the largest defamation damages and cost awards in New Zealand history.

    Mr Karam said if the pair did not pay him, he would take bankruptcy proceedings against them.

    Justice Courtney’s judgment noted evidence of Mr Karam’s “integrity, generosity and altruism”.

    Mr Karam said the men had made “an all-out assault on me [in] an attempt to show that I’m shonky”.

    He and Fairfax NZ had earlier agreed to settle defamation claims, on a confidential basis, arising from articles on stuff.co.nz that drew attention to the websites that contained the defamatory comments by Mr Parker and Mr Purkiss.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11239379

    Could this have implications for blogs that link to or allow defamatory comments?

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  226. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Good question, Pete, but I fear that GD today will bring out the rabid supporters and detractors on both sides. Thankfully I have a very busy day today and do not intend any distractions. If anything, the case clearly shows the dangers of addressing the man and not the ball. There will be some, any they will appear today, who will not heed that warning.

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  227. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Yes Nookin – rabid supporter of justice here – reporting for duty, although I have a busy day !!

    Excellent decision. Freedom of speech has NEVER been about the right to denigrate another person, especially with outright lies.

    Kent Parker and his ‘friends’, best described as ‘witch sniffers’, let their emotions take control. Whilst the court battle focused on some early examples there were plenty of later examples which, in my opinion should have also been included, and would have resulted in a figure much higher.

    The decision, which I have a copy of, shows very clearly the difference between opinion and defamation. Some of the claims were rejected by the court as mere opinion, others not.

    It is a lesson for us all to learn. Blogs are easy to get carried away on, but they are not, and should not ever be allowed to be a place to spread malicious gossip with the intent of destroying an innocent person’s life – just because you can.
    If people will not let their sense of respectability and honesty guide them, then the courts have no option but to do it for them.

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  228. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    More Importantly.

    Kim Dotcom gets NZ assets back
    6:53 PM Wednesday Apr 16, 2014

    Anna Leask

    Kim Dotcom gets NZ assets back
    6:53 PM Wednesday Apr 16, 2014

    Cars, cash and property seized from Kim Dotcom by police in the 2012 raid at his Coatesville mansion could be returned to him within the next 14 days.

    When police raided the Dotcom Mansion in January 2012 they seized $6 million of luxury cars – including 15 Mercedes-Benz, a pink 1959 Cadillac and a Rolls-Royce Phantom – and $10 million from financial institutions.

    They also took a number of personal items belonging to Dotcom and his wife Mona.

    The property was seized under a foreign restraining order made by the United States District Court two days before the raid.

    However today an order was made in the High Court at Auckland declining a police request to effectively extend the order so Dotcom’s assets could be retained.

    ===================================
    Now this is going to cause KS and others to go apeshit and all.

    too bad, the ruling is absolutely correct.

    Confiscation of assets by force without trial is bloody outrageous, especially when no crime has been committed in NZ.

    When is the taxpayer going to stop having to waste money on this charade by the the police and its lawyers. Clearly the Police budget is either too high or we are paying too many speeding fines unnecessarily.

    Cry your hearts out.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11239397

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  229. flipper (4,051 comments) says:

    Judith…
    Where is the judgment available on line?
    It is not on the MoCourts “Judicial decisions of Public interest” site yet. :-)

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  230. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Flipper

    Check your email – you should have a copy sent to you earlier this morning.
    Not sure it is available on line yet, I can up load it to a doc storage site if you haven’t got the email yet.

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  231. flipper (4,051 comments) says:

    Judith…
    Many thanks… got it. :-)\
    F

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  232. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    V2 @ 7.01.
    The police will appeal and tie the stuff back up.
    Good job too.

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  233. Nostalgia-NZ (5,191 comments) says:

    PG of course it has implications for blogs. Some of the 3rd party posts were on Trade Me, third party posts are the responsibility of the host whether they be defamatory, threatening, harassment or breach privacy. The judgement clearly sets out the template, moreover those whose third party posts were deemed to defamatory by the Judge may in turn be sued as the ruling has already been made as to the posts being defamatory. One of the hate-siters who has posted here made a post which is defamatory, he/she is an administration role, claims to have a lot of coin, so should be taking valium this morning. On the issue of medication it has been revealed that Parker is indeed an ex psychiatric patient, receiving treatment for 2 years that he was so able to convince others that he was ‘right’ speaks volumes about the ‘followers.’

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  234. flipper (4,051 comments) says:

    Nos-NZ….

    After reading Courtney J I concluded it was fair and balanced in almost every resect. I say “almost”, because once or twice, I thought Courtney leaned too much toward Parker. But in the end the summation restores the balance to where it should, and will forever, reside – with Karam. As for Parker’s claim that he will appeal… Good luck! He will need it since Courtney seems bullet proof.

    J Collins MoJ advisor could do worse than to give Collins a copy for Easter reading.

    And in respect of the judgment, several of those regular commenters on KB, DPF included, would learn much from reading all 69 pages.

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  235. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, is there any evidence that anyone apart from the USA had mini nukes for the purpose of demolition?

    This is a picture from Dimona (Mordechai Vanunu), apparently the lathe was used to turn plutonium into small spheres.

    http://www.actsinjunction.info/img/pic8.jpg

    Or that any mini nukes had been lost by those who had them?

    The are reports of nuclear weapons being lost since the cold war.

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  236. Nostalgia-NZ (5,191 comments) says:

    I agree flipper, and as you say the Judge balanced it out. This is the reason for the long delay – a substantial and definitive judgement that will be difficult to overturn in any aspect. What struck me was the recognition of the ‘environment’ in other words while posts could be looked at in isolation so too could the general thrust which in this case was always against JK. Perhaps the ‘opinion’ defence is too broad, if someone forms an opinion it should be based on facts, not merely because it is a topic of conversation or repeated by others and said to have some significance to the subject being discussed – the link to the subject should be seen to be durable but I ‘ain’t’ complaining.

    Yes, the Judgement should be read because previous defences of inability to ‘edit’ and so on, or the relatively small size of a blog for example are clearly not valid. Parker claims a small readership, but that readership ‘spread the word’ onto other message boards and blogs, for that, he and the spreaders bear responsibility as well as the new ‘host’ – an obvious situation but reconstructed by half wits and something else. Fairfax, Trademe and others all ran foul on that. It’s really viral contamination and there were Judgements about this made nearly a decade ago overseas.

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  237. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Easter poll surprise

    National 48.5% (+5.5%)
    Labour 28.5% (-3.5%)
    Greens 11.5% (-1.5%)
    NZFirst 5.5% (no change)
    Conservatives 2% (-0.5)
    Maori Party 1% (-0.5)
    Mana 1% (+.5)
    Internet Party 1% (+0.5)
    Act 0.5% (no change)
    UF 0% (-0.5)
    Other 0.5%

    Roy Morgan poll

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