General Debate 22 April 2014

April 22nd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Monty (978 comments) says:

    So the Greenies want all ministerial meetings to have all details made public. Good. How about Russel leads by example by telling us all about his visit to the KimDotCom Mansion? If fact as leader of his party why not go a step further and release all notes from all meetings to the same extent as the Greens are seeking in their policy.

    And of course since labour will be the green Taliban coalition partner maybe all their senior MPs could do the same?

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  2. Paulus (2,628 comments) says:

    Now that all the Treaty Claims for the South Island have been extinguished, for the first time, will the costs and the staffing of the Treaty of Waitangi Tribunal be reduced or part abolished, or will it be left open for the next round of South Island Claims ?

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  3. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    ACTs 3S for burglary will resonate massively with middle NZ I know people are already talking about it.

    Hopefully this will get CCCP and ACT into an arms race / bidding war and we can get them both into parliament in some numbers to put a steel rod into the National administration. Then we will see real changes the country needs.

    I get the softly softly catchy monkey thing but there are still way too many monkeys need catching and I’m getting bored of it

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  4. MT_Tinman (3,188 comments) says:

    This quote in The Press story http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/north-canterbury/9964117/Another-tourist-in-serious-crash I find very concerning indeed.

    Police national headquarters and the Ministry of Transport are discussing a possible law change regarding tourists driving in New Zealand.

    It is the job of politicians to change or create laws and the Police’s job to enforce those laws without fear or favour.

    Police creating, changing or even influencing laws is one thing ALL free men must prevent!

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  5. Yvette (2,821 comments) says:

    Labour MP Shane Jones’ party leadership bid was part-funded by a cash donation from Sir Wira Gardiner, husband of National Party Cabinet minister Hekia Parata.

    Mr Jones revealed to the Herald that Sir Wira gave $1000 and NZ Oil and Gas board member Rodger Finlay also donated money to help the MP to pay for his campaign to win the Labour leadership last September …

    Mr Jones said both men approached him offering donations, which were to have remained confidential until it was realised that donations of more than $500 had to be revealed in the MPs’ register of pecuniary interests, due out next month …

    Prime Minister John Key was taken by surprise when told last night of Sir Wira’s donation, initially responding, “You’re joking.”
    “I’m somewhere between surprised and shocked,” he said.

    So, what now of Jones’ stand for fossil fuel exploration and his attack on the Greens?
    How does this compare with Judith Collins glass of milk?

    And who donated to the Cunliffe fund for the same “US style” leadership primary? – Cunliffe just returning the amount concerned does NOT negate that he accepted the funding in question and held onto it, and possibly used it in that time, until it was challenged, and should still record that transaction.

    Private dinner or private fund – I know which one disturbs me.
    Note Shane Jones current position as proof of that.

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  6. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    In anticipation of the inevitable God thread, here’s a wee prelude:

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  7. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Paulus

    See http://nominister.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/where-to-now.html

    Tinman

    You must be some sort of idiot if you think police and transport authorities do not make recommendations for changes to the law.

    Yvette

    Ho ho ho ho ho ho.

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  8. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    I don’t see any problem with the Police recommending law changes. The change still has to make it’s way through the usual public parliamentary process.

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  9. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    I thought this headline in the Telegraph over the weekend was quite stunning:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

    Ironic isn’t it – when you compare the directions the West is travelling vs. the formerly “Communist” & “Godless” China:

    – We busily import and accommodate the “religion of peace” and try and get rid of all references to Christianity in public life – Christianity of course being the great civilizing factor that underpinned the West. While the Chinese deal harshly to their religion of peace when they cause trouble and as highlighted above have a rapidly increasing Christian population.

    – China is building 3 new power stations per week while an American Farmer is told he must stop farming to protect a “desert tortoise” and our energy bills are going through the roof to “fight climate change”…. I mean, can you imagine a world without the beneficial CO2 trace gas?

    – NZ now dishes out Welfare to families earning more than $100k while China has practically zero welfare, instead relying on community organisations to provide voluntary assistance while we busily fill our countries up with Aliens who are told not to immigrate as part of an official “multi-cultural” policy which ultimately will destroy all large scale altruism as it means people will have nothing in common.

    – We are aborting our young in record numbers whilst the Chinese have just relaxes their one child policy: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/19/us-china-reform-child-idUSBRE9AI09B20131119

    – We “create wealth” by borrowing ever larger sums of money to buy and sell each other existing houses (leaving less money for the real economy) whilst the Chinese have undergone perhaps the most rapid industrialization the World has ever seen.

    – The West is busy selling the only true money in the World while the Chinese are buying it hand over fist. If you believe the US has still got 8,000 tonnes of Gold then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-21/china-goes-dark-pboc-keep-goldbugs-confused-about-its-gold-buying-spree

    – Our Education system is guided by Equality (NCEA anyone?) while the Chinese focus on Excellence and pump out Engineers and Scientists by the millions.

    Now I’m not saying China is perfect (it too has a massive debt bubble – which however was used for investment rather than consumption so IMHO much more justifiable) or that we are mortally doomed just yet, but it is the direction that counts and if we don’t change direction soon and go back to the foundations of Liberty that made us what we are, the West is over.

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  10. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    s cThat gives a new meaning to the term screen licker

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  11. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Open Mike: The Standard

    Sir Ian McKellen has a deeper understanding of New Zealand than most visiting stars. He talks about playing Gandalf again – and about Helen Clark’s startling confession.

    “I find your society genuinely admirable in many ways. For example, I met Helen Clark while I was in Wellington. I was invited to her official residence, and waved in by a lone policeman who didn’t even check who I was, then I had a barbecue with her. I congratulated her on the public’s enlightened attitudes towards racial issues, but she disagreed. She said to me that New Zealand was really a very racist country, and she was determined to do everything she could as prime minister to change that. I thought that was a very bold, honest statement to make to a foreigner, and I really respected her for that.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/features/3751531/Acting-giant-reflects-on-NZ-society

    So what did Helen Clark mean? More racist on average than other societies?
    What (if anything) did she do about it? Multiculturalism?

    I know there’s pay dirt here (people who have studied the right stuff!).*

    expert Central!

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  12. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    There was a story the other day in the British media about a local council denying a permit for an Easter Passion Play as the bureaucrat dealing with the application didn’t know what a Passion Play was.

    Here’s another story about another English cultural practise ,endangered by the cultural marxist constantly crying “racism”.
    Note again that the local council had wanted to stop these dancers on the grounds of health and safety.

    Our culture is being actively suppressed by cultural marxists.Multiculturalism is being promoted but is a disguise to assault traditional values and culture.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10777858/Racist-No-our-black-face-dance-is-a-proud-tradition.html

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  13. Simon (725 comments) says:

    The Standard. A reminder where in NZ the concentration camp guards would come from.

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  14. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Paulus: They will now be looking at ways to claim for the latest planet found.

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  15. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    @EAD

    “China is building 3 new power stations per week while an American Farmer is told he must stop farming to protect a “desert tortoise” and our energy bills are going through the roof to “fight climate change”…. I mean, can you imagine a world without the beneficial CO2 trace gas?”

    Claiming energy prices are rising is heresy on here.

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  16. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Easter 2014: A celebration of hope

    “Over 2 billion people are celebrating Easter today, April 20, as the calendars of Western and Eastern churches coincide this year, and these billions of faithful people are celebrating HOPE.

    The Easter message begins with the hopeful news that death has been overcome by life, that hatred has been overcome by love, and that sorrow has been overcome by joy.

    The elements of the story involve women arriving at a garden tomb and finding it empty, but even better, meeting the risen Lord, the embodiment of life and love. Their lives are changed forever and so are the lives of many, many others who hear this remarkable news.

    The resurrection narrative and message are vital for Christian people on this day to be sure. Easter is celebrated in countless languages and myriad cultures by Jesus’ followers throughout the globe.

    However, the news is not for Christians only. It is for the cosmos, the world, and the universe and for all children, women, and men who draw breath. It is for all humanity because the reality and meaning of Easter is HOPE, and we, all of us, need and deserve hope.

    The events leading up to Easter test hope. An innocent man is condemned by the authorities around him. He is betrayed, condemned, and executed.

    It looks like the game is over. Both hope and love are seemingly obliterated, and a stone is rolled in front of the tomb’s entrance to seal the point.

    And yet… hope bursts forth. Life wins. Love wins. Hope wins.

    From the place of death emerges a new alpha point in the affirmation of hope for the world and for humanity. The resurrection message challenges the doom and gloom so often taken for granted in the world with hope and all of hope’s power to sustain, strengthen, and make things new.

    An ancient Christian writer described faith in this way, “Faith is the assurance of things hoped for and the conviction of things not seen.” (Hebrews 11:1) At the very center of faith is hope, because hope draws us into the flow of life, possibility, and new beginning.

    It acknowledges suffering and sadness, but courageously maintains that there is something more even if it isn’t immediately apparent or seen.

    Still hope exists. That is what the earliest Easter morning visitors to the garden and tomb discovered, and that hope transformed and sustained them from that time on.

    This Easter is an urgent moment for hope. There are abundant realities of sorrow, scorn, and separation all around us all the time.

    Human beings are set against each other.

    Wars threaten with vicious power.

    Death takes millions in sickness, hunger, and violence.

    Even in a society as affluent as our own, we worry about the present and future economically, politically, and socially (and admittedly, often things at face value don’t look so good.)

    It is possible to give up and give in to despondent hopelessness. But hope breaks in. It breaks into the world, into the human soul, and into our lives.

    Even if it isn’t immediately visible to the eye, it is there. That is the life-giving, love-creating Easter news. We can hope, and hope will change the world.

    This Easter Day we are invited to sense the hope that sustains us. We are invited to relish and take courage from the hope of life, of love, and of new beginnings.

    Even if it is not seen at first glance, it is there… Easter hope, and that’s worth celebrating.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/04/20/easter-2014-celebration-hope/?intcmp=HPBucket

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  17. stephieboy (3,104 comments) says:

    Simon,are you alluding to the mythical FEMA camps that hysterical and paranoid Fox news , WND fans and teabaggers rant on about.?

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  18. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    @ Alan 8.57am:

    It is funny isn’t it, despite what I see with my my very owns eyes (and old power bills):
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/9961759/Power-bills-blow-out-beyond-forecast

    if I only read Kiwiblog, the author and a number of commentators would have me believe:

    – there is little to no inflation – “prices flat” I think is the headline
    – our economy is booming – “stonking” I think is the popular meme
    – our debt is under control, likewise Public expenditure – “what are we going to do with our surplus when it arrives……..next year”
    – we are the freest country in the world – I suppose if you ignore all the pettyfogging rules on cigarette packaging, drink pricing, child discipline, dog-chipping, Health & Safety, the relentless Police driving adverts there may be a point

    Sure if you don’t need to buy or rent somewhere to live, if you don’t have to spend any money on food, education, heat your home, drive a car and can restrict your diet to i-pads and food on the now cheaper overseas flights, then yes, you haven’t suffered from the inflation caused by all the borrowing in this country.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-19/everything-we-are-told-about-deflation-lie

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  19. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    A chiling look inside the “mind” of an atheist:

    “Spawn your religion is disgusting and offensive. Wank on about it somewhere else ffs I am sick of your pathetic god whacking stupidity. All god whackers should be locked up in a secure unit away from children to stop them infect their delusions on the inocent. Take your stupid religious superstitions and stuff them up with the kid molesting priests. misery causing dogma and the corrupt greedy churches. Pathetic religious nutters should be locked up as a danger to society. You are incredibly stupid in your devotion to a desert cult of pre enlightenment ignorant sand niggers. God is dead thank christ. You should be ashamed of your gullibility and stupidity. as for coming on kb and fulling gd with your god crap FFS find somewhere else to spurt your christian rubbish. I don’t read gd to be exposed to your pathetic religious nonsense. if you came to my door spurting your crap I would set the dogs on you. Actually my last boxer dog attacked a fat Anglican priest, talk about funny :lol: god didn’t help him much that twat bleed real good”

    There you go folks, from resident racist atheist nutjob Griff.

    Now we are told that atheism will make for better, more peaceful, more civil societies. Yet here we have the atheist mind unmasked; violent, hateful, psychopathic, racist.

    And given the real world examples of officially atheist societies we have had, the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Pol Pot, the “burden of proof” atheists are always talking about is clearly on them to show they have anything to offer other than a cult of hate and death.

    Griff talks about influencing the innocent, but would you let this racist, violent, psychopathic nutter anywhere near your children?

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  20. Pete George (23,572 comments) says:

    John Key was asked on Firstline about legal highs and cannabis.

    Prime Minister John Key says decriminalising cannabis will not prevent people from smoking synthetic highs.

    Respondents to a Campbell Live poll last week overwhelmingly voted in favour of decriminalisation of cannabis but appearing on Firstline this morning, Mr Key said that would send the wrong message.

    “The Government making it legal I think we accept is a step we could take. It would be a very, very difficult and challenging step to take, it wouldn’t actually eradicate society of these products,” says Mr Key.

    That’s the wrong message to hear. Key on cannabis – avoiding the elephant.

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  21. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    God again spawn?

    go away you pathitic waste of space

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  22. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “go away you pathitic waste of space”

    Make me! :)

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  23. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    Favourite scene from the Matrix:

    Morpheus: I imagine that right now, you’re feeling a bit like Alice. Hmm? Tumbling down the rabbit hole?
    Neo: You could say that.
    Morpheus: I see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. Ironically, that’s not far from the truth. Do you believe in fate, Neo?
    Neo: No.
    Morpheus: Why not?
    Neo: Because I don’t like the idea that I’m not in control of my life.
    Morpheus: I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I’m talking about?
    Neo: The Matrix.
    Morpheus: Do you want to know what it is?
    Neo: Yes.
    Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work… when you go to church… when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

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  24. SGA (1,044 comments) says:

    It’s much much worse than you realise, ShawnLH. The atheists are actually unwitting pawns of the Illuminati, who themselves are unwitting pawns of the reptilians. In short, we’re doomed.

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  25. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    Drug addled alarmist gwiff shows his true colours.

    Happy to bore us to death with his nonsense,but not happy to share the stage.

    Atheist totalitarians are extremely dangerous.And there’s more than a few of them infesting KB.

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  26. Don the Kiwi (1,758 comments) says:

    This has got to be the funniest thing I have read so far today.

    “God is dead thank christ. ”

    Thank you , griffith. Oh the irony. :lol: :lol:

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  27. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “gwiff shows his true colours. Happy to bore us to death with his nonsense,but not happy to share the stage. Atheist totalitarians are extremely dangerous.And there’s more than a few of them infesting KB.”

    Amen to that! :)

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  28. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “God again spawn?

    go away you pathitic waste of space”

    really griff? all you do is spam us with your religious shit. the difference being – shawn doesnt want me to pay more tax for his religion! (i think)

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  29. Don the Kiwi (1,758 comments) says:

    Anyway, to continue on with the absorbing discussion we had last night on GD about religion……….

    Okay – okay !!! Just joking ;-)

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  30. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “shawn doesnt want me to pay more tax for his religion! (i think)”

    Nope! I’m probably voting for ACT this year. Just waiting to see if they can get a decent campaign up and running.

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  31. jcuk (687 comments) says:

    Another country falls victim to right wing monetary policy
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/21/opinion/krugman-sweden-turns-japanese.html?emc=edit_th_20140421&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=52497011&_r=0
    An oportunity to sharpen your negative pencils in your stand against common sense for the majority.

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  32. minus (197 comments) says:

    I am old enough that I remember one year crime statistics reported a 100% increase in drug convictions –
    Police had caught four people with marijuana, rather than the two the year before.

    I just wonder if road toll figures now need some new way of being expressed to mean anything, or if they should be reported at all as a weekend event – or just individual accident items, as they are.

    (Road Code for Tourists – What is the open road speed limit?
    Fucked if I know – what day of the week is it?)

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  33. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Militant_atheism
    It’s rare to walk anywhere in public and not see some religious advertisement every few moments. Imagine if the cause of non-belief were promoted to even one hundredth this degree? Theists would be totally outraged. Yet if an atheist decides to react to the overwhelming pro-religion propaganda that’s in his face on a daily basis, he’s labeled as “militant”, “intolerant” and “extremist.”
    —Morgan Matthew, Why atheists care about religion[1]

    Militant atheism is a derogatory neologism associated primarily with the New Atheism movement, used to describe atheists and secularists who actively campaign against religion or religious influence in public life or government ruling. Countering religion, criticising it and exposing it to rational argument is somehow seen as wrong. Militant atheism is generally thought of as “being on the rise,” particularly given the religious turmoil spurred on by 9/11.
    Militant activities and double standards

    Actions that can get an atheist branded as “militant” include:

    Campaigning against public and enforced prayer — particularly in schools.
    Holding rallies against religious figures.
    Questioning public policy based on religion such as running abstinence programs rather than teaching about contraception.
    Questioning religious authority.
    Vocally expressing disbelief in God.
    Working against discrimination on religious grounds.
    Writing books.

    Basically, any vocal activity by an atheist or group of atheists will be called “militant” by some religious pundit or another. At the same time, religious groups and individuals are free to openly profess their beliefs and proselytize without much public outcry. Thus, outspoken religious belief and atheism are held to a double standard, where religious criticism of atheism is held as conventional wisdom, but atheistic criticism of religion is regarded as controversial.[2]

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  34. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    A question has to be seriously asked – is cannabis safer than legal highs? If so why isn’t it given at least the same legal status as synthetic drugs?

    The cannabis debate is much bigger than just the health risks arising from recreational use. Cannabis also has significant medicinal and industrial applications, eg producing ethanol for fuel.

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  35. dirty harry (489 comments) says:

    Shawn..are you unemployed?

    You talk a lot of shit and you are boring.

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  36. stephieboy (3,104 comments) says:

    Bill Maher visits The Creation Museum,Petersburg, Kentucky.

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  37. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Shawn..are you unemployed?”

    No.

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  38. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Actions that can get an atheist branded as “militant” include:”

    Saying that all religious folk should be locked up, which you have several times Gaia boy! :)

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  39. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The elements of the story involve women arriving at a garden tomb and finding it empty, but even better, meeting the risen Lord, the embodiment of life and love. Their lives are changed forever and so are the lives of many, many others who hear this remarkable news.

    Strangely one of them has trouble recognizing him, mistaking him for the gardener (John 20:15).

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  40. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    In this episode of the Keiser Report, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss American injustice in the age of the wealth gap and Weev’s hedge fund trolling. In the second half, Max interviews JP Sottile of Newsvandal.com about Big Oil and Big Ag in Ukraine. Sottile names the people and corporations hoping to exploit the Ukrainian agricultural sector.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14f6Myygrk0

    Lots of information on here including how the financial criminals don’t even have to pretend any more.

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  41. dirty harry (489 comments) says:

    “Labour Party energy spokesman David Shearer says thousands of capital households have had to absorb a rise of between 5.7 and 7 per cent in just one month – much more than the Government’s estimated power price rise of 2.4 per cent in six months.”

    Fuck off Shearer…liarbor rorted NZ for 9 years with high electricity prices and did nothing about it.

    Pretty rich claiming the high ground now.

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  42. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    As a politically-independent anti-corruption campaigner, who not aligned to ANY political party I support this Green Party initiative:

    Greens push for disclosure policy to reveal MP’s ‘private interests’ (3:45)

    http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/greens-push-disclosure-policy-reveal-mp-s-private-interests-video-5937690

    What’s the problem with this long-overdue increase in transparency NZ Prime Minister?

    “Nothing to hide – nothing to fear?”

    http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/green-s-disclosure-regime-ridiculous-pm-video-5937797

    Green’s disclosure regime ‘ridiculous’ – PM (5:15)

    Penny Bright

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  43. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    wiki- thanks for that. i was just thinking “fuck, i havent had my weekly fix of doom & gloom from the Keiser Report!”

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  44. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    This is the way the US is teaching kids subtraction (and how their daddies are likely to cheat on their mummies). As many already know, the US population is appallingly dumb already, this is another significant ratcheting up of the program. It’s so mental it cannot be accidental, and imagine if you were a kid and being taught this crap. Parents of course are railing against it but don’t expect that to make any difference apart from lip service from the designers to pretend they’re listening and some minor changes round the edges. The reason why they want to have a dumb population of course is because people are much easier to control so they can feed them any old propaganda and the slack-jawed yokels will just suck it up like sponges. And why does the US need an educated population anyway, since there are no jobs because everything apart from defence has been off-shored.

    Someone on a video described Clinton’s ‘No child left behind’ policy as ‘No child left with a mind.’ She was right.

    http://thetruthwins.com/archives/you-wont-believe-the-method-that-common-core-is-using-to-teach-our-kids-subtraction

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  45. wreck1080 (3,918 comments) says:

    now that aucklanders have pushed up their price of housing to ridiculous levels, will the RB take their ability to repay into account and hold off interest rate increases?

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  46. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Reid of course has spent vast amounts of the time in the US and is thus an expert on the country and it’s people.

    Oh, wait a minute……

    A better example of appallingly dumb would be swallowing every lame ass conspiracy theory on ever lame ass conspiracy web site, and pretending that this has something to do with independent thinking.

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  47. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Reid – that is some scary shit!

    The question about the cheating dad – WTF???

    I woulda gone with – maybe the mummy got fat and stopped blowing him.

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  48. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That’s cool Reid, another prepper/fundie website. Very amusing.

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  49. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    A better example of appallingly dumb would be swallowing every lame ass conspiracy theory on ever lame ass conspiracy web site, and pretending that this has something to do with independent thinking.

    Have you ever posted anything that didn’t include an insult toward someone?

    I woulda gone with – maybe the mummy got fat and stopped blowing him.

    Or she discovered the joys of lesbianism and Mary and Johnny got two mommies while daddy wasn’t allowed to talk to them anymore.

    That’s cool Reid, another prepper/fundie website. Very amusing.

    Is it? I didn’t notice. Is the information in the article true or false, or is that not relevant?

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  50. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    dime

    Shawn may not want you to pay more tax but he definitely wants to control other aspects of your life.

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  51. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Theft Penny ,that’s your legacy.
    Ugly, intellectual property can only be stolen if it has a value,you should be safe.

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  52. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Penny

    lilman is right, you are nothing but a thief.

    Pay your bloody rates you parasite.

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  53. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    Published on Mar 26, 2014

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio: New Criminal Evidence About To Be Released – 3/26/2014 – Details: This video outlines the document and ID fraud surrounding Barack Obama with his known aliases, AKA Barry Soetoro, AKA Soebarkah; and his Constitutional eligibility to hold the Office of the United States Presidency. Due to new criminal evidence, a 2nd official investigation has been opened by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office unrelated to the original ID fraud investigation of Barack Obama. The public has been put on notice of an upcoming press conference disclosing this new criminal evidence which has been characterized as “Universe Shattering” by lead investigator Mike Zullo of the Maricopa County Cold Case Posse. – Complete Details: http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/03/..

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  54. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Shawn may not want you to pay more tax but he definitely wants to control other aspects of your life.”

    Nope. Liar.

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  55. stigie (1,198 comments) says:

    Must be very close on the ACC taking action folks ?

    Where is all this going to end up i ask ?

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  56. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    “wiki- thanks for that.”

    All gud Dime. and the thousands of others who want truth

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  57. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    Nope. Liar.

    Have you ever posted anything that didn’t include an insult toward someone?

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  58. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Have you ever posted anything that didn’t include an insult toward someone?”

    Have you? I only do so when people are talking utter shite. And your the one who throws around “useful idiot” at anyone who does not slavishly believe Putin’s propaganda or your anti-Jewish rants.

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  59. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    The birthers still hold out hope that Obama aint a real American.

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  60. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Shawn

    Of course you do, your religion demands it.

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  61. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    anyone who does not slavishly believe Putin’s propaganda or your anti-Jewish rants.

    Have you ever posted anything that didn’t include an insult toward someone or a lie?

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  62. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    The birthers are bat shit crazy. These are the same idiots who think that Sarah (I can see Russia from my house) Palin would make a great POTUS.

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  63. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    lilman is right, you are nothing but a thief.

    lilman is wrong, and he’s a piece of shit.

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  64. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Shawn

    Of course you do, your religion demands it.”

    No, it really doesn’t bb. Like wat’s fixation with babies in hell this is just another delusion you need to cling to.

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  65. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “lilman is wrong, and he’s a piece of shit.”

    That’s your friend Ugly, Reid.

    pot. kettle. black.

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  66. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    Ukraine and the Grand Chessboard – brings the gas supply issue into perspective.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-170414.html

    That’s your friend Ugly, Reid. pot. kettle. black.

    So now it’s not just the sins of the father visited on the children but those of fellow bloggers visited on each other? (Sins in your eyes, BTW. I don’t expect you’ve bothered reading what UT was responding to, have you.)

    Have you ever posted anything that wasn’t an insult?

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  67. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    “Now that all the Treaty Claims for the South Island have been extinguished, for the first time, will the costs and the staffing of the Treaty of Waitangi Tribunal be reduced or part abolished, or will it be left open for the next round of South Island Claims ?”

    As we know, MP claims will go on for perpetuity

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  68. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    pot. kettle. black.

    Is this your way of admitting that you are a lying hypocrite who is unable to present a rational argument, ShawnLH?

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  69. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    Here’s another parent’s frustrated response to Common Core, and the ludicrous way they are teaching kids these days – dumbing them down. Using a timeline to do a simple calculation, which normally takes 5 seconds.

    https://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/common-core-parent-facebook-post-indiana-school-181841158.html

    Because, yeh, when I’m at work and need to subtract two numbers, I’m going to draw a timeline to do it, and write numbers underneath and leapfrog jumps etc.

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  70. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    Careful Fletch, mm might think that’s a prepper/fundie website, for some reason no-one but him can understand.

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  71. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “unable to present a rational argument”

    Ahem….. “International Tribunal.” :)

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  72. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    John Key dismisses disclosure regime

    Prime Minister John Key has dismissed the Greens’ call for full disclosure of ministerial meetings, saying the information could already be gained through official channels.

    The Green Party has proposed a new “ministerial disclosure regime” in the wake of the Oravida scandal involving Justice Minister Judith Collins.

    Greens co-leader Metiria Turei said its policy was based on a British model and would require ministers to make public records of their meetings with external organisations, overseas travel, gifts and hospitality. The quarterly declarations would be published online.

    Turei told Breakfast this morning the register would remove all doubt over issues like the Collins affair.

    But also, the $5000 tickets to get access to John Key, the $6000 tickets to golf games with John Key. Where ministers are acting in their ministerial capacity, that information and those meetings should be disclosed to the public.”

    Key said the Oravida situation was no reason to implement full disclosure of political meetings.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9965411/John-Key-dismisses-disclosure-regime

    Just this very day someone called for A Green to disclose his whereabouts but I spose they ok with J Key having secrets

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  73. Kiwi Dave (89 comments) says:

    Reid@10.52
    For some mental subtraction problems, addition is more intuitive and simpler than the subtract and borrow the one method I learnt nearly 60 years ago, though the solution shown in your link was quite bizarrely complicated.

    If I have to subtract 277 from 315 without pencil and paper, it’s a whole lot easier to add 23 to 277 to get 300 and then 15 to get 315 and an answer of 38. Of course, this might merely be evidence of my limited arithmetical skills.

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  74. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    Ok ‘BIG BORE’ and ‘littleman’ – got some EVIDENCE – in the form of a Court Judgment against me for ‘theft’?

    If not – pull your heads in.

    From your response, I guess you must be worried about the future of NZ’s Minister for CORRUPTION (sorry – ‘Justice’) Judith Collins?

    And the effect of NZ Prime Minister John Key’s support for her, amongst the voting public, a growing number of whom seem to be rather unimpressed with Judith Collins’ CORRUPT ‘conflicts of interest’ and the Prime Minister’s wilful blindness thereof?

    Remember this?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11219241

    And this?

    “Judith Collins refuses to be drawn on leadership plans

    2:46 PM Sunday Aug 11, 2013″

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10911095

    Keeping gumming away Kiwiblog goldfish – it just helps to confirm that I’m on the right track ….. :)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  75. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    Reid: You asked earlier “Is the information in the article true or false, or is that not relevant?”

    Yes, it is relevant, but as per usual, content is almost always filtered through the lens of the reader and writer. mikenmild has addressed the bias of the writer, and we already know the bias of the reader.

    To the content explicitly, however, this has very little to do with the common core, and everything to do with the syllabus and textbook writers dealings with it. The common core is not the curriculum! Rather, it’s a collection of common, core standards that students should aim to be able to deal with. The examples given I (and those that came up with the standards) would agree are a bit silly, but this is not the fault of the common core.

    The problem with the examples are trying to deal with more than one of the common core outcomes simultaneously, and failing quite dramatically. e.g. in the subtraction example, you can see that it’s attempting to address the concept of place value, but is doing so in a way that is not appropriate, because the idea of the number line isn’t particularly helpful when addressing the concept of place value. Similarly, having the student write an essay isn’t a particularly useful way of assessing this, as it confuses parts of the common core (math + writing).

    You need only see the common core website to see this – it’s seriously only 20 seconds effort to find:

    “What guidance do the Common Core State Standards provide to teachers?

    The Common Core State Standards are a clear set of shared goals and expectations for the knowledge and skills students need in English language arts and mathematics at each grade level so they can be prepared to succeed in college, career, and life. The standards establish what students need to learn, but they do not dictate how teachers should teach. Teachers will devise their own lesson plans and curriculum, and tailor their instruction to the individual needs of the students in their classrooms.”

    http://www.corestandards.org/

    But it’s easier to just believe that this is all the fault of the Obama administration, right?

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  76. Pete George (23,572 comments) says:

    Kiwi Dave – I often do mental ‘subtraction’ similar to that using addition.

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  77. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ahem….. “International Tribunal.”

    Yes, Kevin Arnett is not a part of a properly constituted international tribunal.

    However his collection of evidence of serious criminal child abuse implicating the English monarch and Canadian head of state remains significant, especially in light of Saville’s connection to the house of Windsor…

    “I have heard stories of satanic ritual abuse, a significant factor in many paedophile rings, at the hands of household-name parliamentarians past and present” ~ Tom Watson

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  78. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    the solution shown in your link was quite bizarrely complicated.

    That’s the point KD. When doing sums in my head I do the same as you. A teacher at intermediate for example taught us when adding a large column look for the tens: 1+9, 2+8 etc. Same principle. But what they’ve done here is take a simple, intuitive, sensible principle and over-complicate the heck out of it, for no reason. Unless one deliberately set out to deploy a method that is 100% certain to make every single kid turn to a machine in order to avoid exercising their minds which is the whole point of education.

    That plus the other example given in that article shows that Common Core is social engineering, plain and simple. And like all social engineering, it’s wrapped in sugar to disguise its true, poisonous nature.

    we already know the bias of the reader.

    But you’re the reader LL. What a peculiar statement.

    it’s easier to just believe that this is all the fault of the Obama administration, right?

    Actually LL if you’ve ever bothered to read anything I’ve posted on topics like this you’ll discover I go across both sides of the political spectrum in terms of assigning responsibility for it. I stopped looking at politics through the punch and judy lens many years ago, once I realised both sides are bad, as proven by the fact for example that Obama has continued many of Bush’s reprehensible policies.

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  79. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    Kiwi Dave: The key is how you knew to add 23 to 277 to get to 300. The critical skill you’re using there is that you can break a hundred into ten tens and break ten into ten ones.

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  80. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Yes, Kevin Arnett is not a part of a properly constituted international tribunal.”

    No Ugly, he is not part of ANY kind of tribunal, properly constituted or not. He’s a lunatic on a blog, and only irrational lunatics take anything he says seriously.

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  81. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Shawn

    You really need to stop telling lies. I did not say that babies go to hell (but you know that and need to try and divert the argument away from the painful truth)

    I said that the evil Catholic church told their followers that their unbaptized children would spend eternity in limbo.

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  82. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    only irrational lunatics take anything he says seriously.

    Do you ever post anything that doesn’t contain an insult?

    This is fun. So far today this is about the fifth time and it’s only 12:00 o’clock.

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  83. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Piss of Shawn, You’re liar with zero credibility.

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  84. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Big Bruv,

    you really need to learn to read. I said wat dabney claims babies go to hell, not you.

    “I said that the evil Catholic church told their followers that their unbaptized children would spend eternity in limbo.”

    According to Roman Catholic teaching limbo is a temporary state, not eternal.

    Neither you nor wat seem to be able to get anything about Scripture or the teaching of any church right.

    Your bigotry is based on ignorance.

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  85. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    brub – i think shawn is a libertarian. i suspect you want to control more of my life than he does.

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  86. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Piss of Shawn, You’re liar with zero credibility.”

    Ahem…..’The Windsors are involved in Satanic ritual abuse.”

    Credibility….zero.

    I wonder if your fellow conspiracy nut is going to start counting your insults..hmmmm? :)

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  87. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    I wonder if your fellow conspiracy nut is going to start counting your insults

    #6

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  88. wf (442 comments) says:

    This morning’s scroll-bys:

    Penny Bright, Ugly Truth, Reid, ShawnH.

    Ho-hum.

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  89. tom hunter (4,860 comments) says:

    Chuckle time about Obama – courtesy of the NYT:

    Mr. Obama has concluded that even if there is a resolution to the current standoff over Crimea and eastern Ukraine, he will never have a constructive relationship with Mr. Putin, aides said. As a result, Mr. Obama will spend his final two and a half years in office trying to minimize the disruption Mr. Putin can cause, preserve whatever marginal cooperation can be saved and otherwise ignore the master of the Kremlin in favor of other foreign policy areas where progress remains possible.

    Looks like Russia is now the No1 geopolitical threat for the USA. Poor Barack, the 80’s called and they want Reagan back!

    The chuckle for me is that it took Obama – and his micro-miniskirt wearing cheerleaders at the NYT – this long to wake up to the complete failure of the “reset” policy they boasted about for years. What did the 2016 Democratic Presidential nominee once call it: Smart Power? The NYT piece includes the following:

    The more hawkish faction in the State and Defense departments has grown increasingly frustrated, privately worrying that Mr. Obama has come across as weak and unintentionally sent the message that he has written off Crimea after Russia’s annexation. They have pressed for faster and more expansive sanctions, only to wait while memos sit in the White House without action. Mr. Obama has not even imposed sanctions on a list of Russian human-rights violators waiting for approval since last winter.

    The National Journal looks at that quote and makes the connection that others made years earlier:

    That last paragraph reminds me of Democrats who privately gripe about Obama’s lack of engagement with Congress, his unwillingness to build meaningful relationships, his allegiance to polls and focus groups, and his cautious nature that, in their minds, holds him back from greatness. “He can’t handle Putin. He can’t handle Republicans,” said a veteran Democratic consultant and part-time adviser to both of Obama’s presidential campaigns. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the Democrat told me, “He just is not a natural leader.”

    He’s good at campaigning and had he stayed in the Senate he might have turned into a reasonably good legislator one day. But his ego sent him after the brass ring of POTUS – except now he looks more like the dog that finally got his teeth into the car tyre. Incompetence at the top has bled all the way down through the administration, in both domestic and foreign policy. That and partisan political hackery that makes Nixon look like a saint.

    But it’s important not to let off the hook the Left who supported this clown and talked him up. Obviously greater numbers of them are carping about Obama now that his failures have become manifest. But try as they might, they cannot get away from the fact that this guy embodied almost every idea – and perhaps more importantly every attitude and pose – that the mainstream US Left had about foreign and domestic policy issues.One of the many ironies is that in about one year’s time they will start to embrace the very woman they rejected so bitterly in 2008 as their new vessel for 2016 and beyond.

    Hope’nChange for the 2020’s.

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  90. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    He’s a lunatic on a blog, and only irrational lunatics take anything he says seriously.

    Looks like you’re covering up for paedophiles and satanists, Shawn. Arnett’s evidence is part of a wider pattern:

    http://disinfo.com/2013/01/satanic-paedophile-rings-linked-to-government-jimll-666-it-for-you/

    On the 19th January, the Mirror ran a story titled, “Pervert MP Cyril Smith was pals with satanic child sex monster.” outlining how deceased paedophile MP Cyril Smith was involved in satanic rituals and the rape of children as young as 2.

    ..

    Not only were Savile and Smith both able to operate as prolific paedophiles, both were knighted (perhaps a hint as to how they managed to avoid prosecution throughout their lives – Greater Manchester Police and the Crown Prosecution Service have both claimed there was “overwhelming evidence” against Smith) and were close friends for decades.

    While most high-ranking paedophiles tend to escape prosecution once the cover-up machine goes into overdrive, there are occasional convictions which further highlight the extent of the problem. Jos Verbeek, the director of Unicef’s Belgian committee, was arrested and charged with inciting minors to debauchery – the case led to the resignation of the head of the United Nations Children’s Fund in Belgium. Unicef would later expose the raping of children in Sudan by UN staff, while the role of UN contractor Dyncorp in human trafficking and forced prostitution was revealed by a UN whistleblower.

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  91. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’d love to see how George W would have handled the Russkies. Oh wait, how did the war with Georgia work out?

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  92. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

    Another solipsist! What a relief – I thought I was the only one ;)

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  93. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “The chuckle for me is that it took Obama – and his micro-miniskirt wearing, cheerleaders at the NYT – this long to wake up to the complete failure of the “reset” policy they boasted about for years. ”

    The so called “reset” policy was probably directly responsible for Putin’s aggression Tom. It was effectively a green light.

    The US made a terrible mistake when it chose Obama over John McCain, a genuine patriot who was under no illusions about Putin.

    The good news is that the Republicans will almost certainly take the Senate this year and the Presidency at the next election.

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  94. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Shawn

    Once again I have caught you in a lie.

    My original comment on the issue of Limbo was prefaced with the words “until recently”. The point I made (and will continue to make in support of the evils of the Catholic church) is that for years and years the church told the mugs who follow them that their kids went straight to hell, then followed a period where they were only slightly less evil by telling those same mugs that their kids would spend eternity in limbo. Only recently have the church (perhaps in an effort to fend off the endless list of child abuse accusations) have they decided that babies now go straight to heaven.

    Of course Shawn what this proves again is that all religion is man made.

    However…..you know this Shaun, you just continue to tell lies in a desperate attempt to keep your stupid religion relevant at a time when more and more people are waking up to the fact that man made god in his own image and not the other way around.

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  95. tom hunter (4,860 comments) says:

    I’d love to see how George W would have handled the Russkies. Oh wait, how did the war with Georgia work out?

    Pretty much as the Ukraine is running: not well.

    But the point that you are so determined to miss is that Obambi was not supposed to have things like Georgia happen on his watch, precisely because he’d deploy a Left-wing pose with regard to Russia. That was what “reset” was all about. With the bellicose, blundering cowboy replaced by the Smartest President Evah, combined with Super Hillary and Smart Power, all would be well. Russia would no longer feel threatened, the rule of International Law would be respected, yada, yada, yada.

    With those ideas in play (if one can call such smug, self-congratulatory poses “ideas”) even someone more competent than Obama would have met the same fate.

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  96. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    God: ‘the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.’

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  97. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ahem…..’The Windsors are involved in Satanic ritual abuse.”

    Who said that?

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  98. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.’”

    Nice description of Griff there mikey. :)

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  99. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    So should Obama and Clinton not attempted an improvement in relations with Russia? Are the US and Russia fated to be eternal enemies?

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  100. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Sorry, shawn, I don’t think griffith can possibly be compared to god in bloodthirstiness.

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  101. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    And what would an atheist tell grieving parents who have just lost a baby bb? That he’s just worm food.

    I don’t think we have too much to worry about where your little cult is concerned.

    “when more and more people are waking up to the fact that man made god in his own image and not the other way around.”

    Dream on bb! :)

    “China on course to become ‘world’s most Christian nation’ within 15 years:

    The number of Christians in Communist China is growing so steadily that it by 2030 it could have more churchgoers than America.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

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  102. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Sorry, shawn, I don’t think griffith can possibly be compared to god in bloodthirstiness.”

    Well self-delusion is your speciality mikey. Nice people in your little KB atheist cult. Griff’s a real charmer, and a great advertisement for the benefits of atheism.

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  103. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    There you go again Shawn. Atheism is not a cult: freedom from religion is the opposite of being in a cult.

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  104. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Ah yes, freedom from religion. Now who invented that? Wasn’t that the Soviet Union that killed millions of people?

    Yup, if it looks like a cult and acts like a cult, it’s probably a cult.

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  105. tom hunter (4,860 comments) says:

    You really, really don’t want to acknowledge the point about Obama-Clinton mikenmild.

    Makes sense from a left-wing POV of course. The failure is always in the individual (in this case Obama) – never in the ideas. Give it another ten (or twenty) years and they’ll be some Democrat POTUS nominee pushing the same old “new” ideas again.

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  106. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    tom, you really just don’t want to acknowledge that your hatred of Obama colours all of your opinions on US policy. US foreign policy has been essentially unchanged since at least the mid-70s – détente, ‘resets’ and all.

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  107. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Shawn

    “And what would an atheist tell grieving parents who have just lost a baby bb? That he’s just worm food.”

    Yes Shawn, yes I would, because those parents deserve the truth Shawn. Those parents to not deserve religious scum feeding them a line of bullshit.

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  108. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    Nice description of Griff there mikey

    #7

    I don’t think we have too much to worry about where your little cult is concerned.

    #8

    Well self-delusion is your speciality mikey. Nice people in your little KB atheist cult.

    #9

    And on “Russian” aggression, it’s a propaganda meme, always has been. This doesn’t mean Putin isn’t working hand-in-glove to create the war outcome they appear to be heading for. It looks to me more and more like a dialectic setup but the very first veil you’ve got to get through is the very obvious, very basic veil of the totally transparent Western propaganda, as illustrated once over lightly, by the contrasts drawn in this piece.

    I’m confused. A few weeks ago we were told in the West that people occupying government buildings in Ukraine was a very good thing. These people, we were told by our political leaders and elite media commentators, were ‘pro-democracy protestors’.

    The US government warned the Ukrainian authorities against using force against these ‘pro-democracy protestors’ even if, according to the pictures we saw, some of them were neo-Nazis who were throwing Molotov cocktails and other things at the police and smashing up statues and setting fire to buildings.

    Now, just a few weeks later, we’re told that people occupying government buildings in Ukraine are not ‘pro-democracy protestors’ but ‘terrorists’ or ‘militants’…

    http://rt.com/op-edge/west-leaders-ukraine-democracy-600/

    …written by this UK journo… http://www.neilclark66.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/im-confused-can-anyone-help-me.html

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  109. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Essentially unchanged” is not the point. That’s a smokescreen mikey. The issue is the degree of assertiveness, and Obama’s weakness and dithering has given Putin a green light.

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  110. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Yes Shawn, yes I would, because those parents deserve the truth Shawn.”

    Your opinion is not truth bb, just opinion.

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  111. tom hunter (4,860 comments) says:

    US foreign policy has been substantially unchanged since at least the mid-70’s

    Perhaps you could put a little more flesh on that assertion – or are one-liners all that a Wellington working day can allow?

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  112. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes tom, can’t spend too much time away from the taxpayers’ interests. If you could outline any major changes in US foreign policy since the 1970s I’d be grateful. I can’t think of any.

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  113. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    mikey works?

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  114. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Working hard as you read this Shawn…

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  115. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    Your religion is not truth, ShawnLH, just religion.

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  116. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “mikey works?”

    Apparently a civil servant, if you count that as working. As I understand it from current opposition parties, whenever a civil servant fucks up a minister should resign.

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  117. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Apparently a civil servant, if you count that as working.”

    I don’t. But it explains a lot about mikey.

    “Working hard as you read this Shawn…”

    I run my own business mikey. Normally I put in 9 to 10 hour days, but as you know I’m off with a work related injury. Do your employers know how much time you spend on this blog on the taxpayers dime?

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  118. tom hunter (4,860 comments) says:

    If you …. I’d be grateful

    I’ll bet you would. Saves you actually having to make an argument. I’ve played this game with you too many times milky.

    I can’t think of any.

    I get it. This is entertainment for you. You don’t know and you don’t really care. As long as Doonesbury provided a chuckle on the train this morning you’re content.

    Fair enough. But I will waste at least another minute or two on a couple of your other comments.

    Hatred of Obama? Is hatred not usually accompanied with bad language, hysterical assertions and other obvious exhibitions of bad temper?

    How about a low, low opinion of the man combined with amusement at the he’s so smart meme of millions of his devoted worshippers blowing up in their face repeatedly. I actually think he’s now moving in the right directions regarding Putin, but it’s all too little and too late.

    Ahhhh…. but of course. This was the usual mikenmild standard: delegitimise the argument by making it emotional. As well as this other diversionary attempt:

    So should Obama and Clinton not attempted an improvement in relations with Russia?

    Argue hypotheticals rather than the facts at hand. The real question is whether relations with Russia have improved, and the answer that even Obama has reached is that they have not; they’ve actually worsened from Bush’s day. I would think people who are interested in this would want to debate why.

    With regard to the assertion that US foreign policy has been substantially unchanged since the mid-70’s – that’s not what very smart and passionate Left-wingers and Right-wingers have been arguing during that time. Were they all just wrong in your humble opinion? Was it all just rank partisanship?

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  119. stephieboy (3,104 comments) says:

    Oh dear UT,

    Yesterday it was 93 overflying Shanksville which was bad enough but today it gets even worse,

    Oh man. Kevin Annett, aka the ITCCS, has issued a proclamation dissolving Canada. http://itccs.org/2013/03/08/a-legal-notice-to-all-agents-of-the-so-called-crown-of-england-and-elizabeth-windsor-and-to-all-canadians/

    https://twitter.com/RationalWiki/status/315940347693903872

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  120. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    And why have US-Russia relations worsened since 2008? Is it due to a misguided ‘reset’ or have Russian actions had something to do with it?

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  121. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    I don’t. But it explains a lot about mikey.

    #10

    why have US-Russia relations worsened since 2008?

    Because they’ve refused to cooperate with the West’s agenda over Syria and Iran.

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  122. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Oh man. Kevin Annett, aka the ITCCS, has issued a proclamation dissolving Canada.”

    That is just hilarious. Arnett seriously needs medicating and a room at the local psych ward. :)

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  123. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Back to work mikey. Taxpayers don’t pay you to waste time on blogs.

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  124. tom hunter (4,860 comments) says:
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  125. stephieboy (3,104 comments) says:

    Reid, the US and the West’s agenda over Iran and Syria. ?

    Another conspiracy to conquer and annex.?

    NWO , Illuminati and Rothchilds complicity .?

    Do enlighten us.?

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  126. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Stephie, Reid once tried to tell us that Iran did not persecute religious minorities. He got that bit if useful idiocy exposed pretty quickly, so given his track record he’s unlikely to have a clue about what is really going on with Syria and Iran.

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  127. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    He got that bit if useful idiocy exposed pretty quickly, so given his track record he’s unlikely to have a clue about what is really going on with Syria and Iran.

    #11

    No I can’t be bothered explaining it stephie. Suffice to say Syria is an attempt by the West to remove Iran’s last regional ally so it can then take her out but the BRICS decided not to cooperate this time hence the US moved to plan B hence Ukraine.

    It’s a curious fact that a nation which hasn’t invaded anyone for many centuries is painted by a nation who invades everyone all the time as an aggressor and yet many people in the propaganda range of the proven-by-history aggressor nation fall for the meme as if they didn’t understand anything about history or how to recognise a meme when they see it. Perhaps its because part of the meme paints the proven-innocent-by-history-nation as a great big meanie threatening a poor little weak nation who’s always been victimised by everyone all the time and which only has a mere 300+ nukes to defend itself with, and if the great big meany nation ever gets even a single one, then apparently, according to the meme, this will definitely for sure without doubt mean it will automatically use it, MAD be damned. This when the great big meanie nation has around 90 million people and has a tremendously well educated population.

    Mental isn’t it. I mean if you went and presented this as a script to a studio, they’d throw it out as being too fanciful and no-one would believe it. Yet here we are, in reality, as it unfolds before our eyes.

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  128. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Wait a minute…

    If mikey is a civil servant, that means he is using a government computer to post on this blog.

    I wonder what his bosses would think of a civil servant using a government computer to express anti-religious propaganda?

    I’m pretty sure that would be a violation of the rules.

    Might be interesting to find out some more info on this.

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  129. Andrei (2,657 comments) says:

    The USA’s concept of democracy gets stranger and stranger – now Assad wants to hold an election in Syria its bad, very bad.

    I think the denizens of the State Department have been smoking too much weed, they are all over the place on when democracy is good and when it isn’t

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  130. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    You know Shawn it’s one thing to throw insults every few minutes and quite another to threaten the livelihood of someone as you just did. You’re an extraordinary example of a loving Christian, I have to say.

    they are all over the place on when democracy is good and when it isn’t

    No it’s perfectly simple Andrei. Two legs good, four legs bad. Luckily they’re in the land of the free and the home of the brave, because that makes it all OK, apparently, according to the people who consume their propaganda without noticing inconvenient contradictions, because there aren’t any, because they’re the good guys, so there can’t be. Besides, they’re an extraordinary nation, their Pres tells them so, which means the rules don’t apply, to them…

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  131. stephieboy (3,104 comments) says:

    Reid, “invades everyone all the time as an aggressor…” ? Mexico, Canada, Brazil, South Africa, N Z , Poland , Latvia,Thailand etc, etc .?

    The rest like the former is utter piffle.!!

    Andrei,I trust Basher is happy to have UN and Independent observers sand scrutinizers .?

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  132. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    And what would an atheist tell grieving parents who have just lost a baby bb? That he’s just worm food.

    Kinda like telling your kids that the faithful old family dog you just had euthanised has ‘gone to live on a farm’

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  133. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Seeing you are so interested Shawn, you might like to have a look at the State Services Commission’s code of conduct for public servants:
    http://www.ssc.govt.nz/sites/all/files/Code-of-conduct-StateServices.pdf

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  134. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “You know Shawn it’s one thing to throw insults every few minutes ”

    That’s what you normally do Reid, so your being hypocritical on that front.

    And being a Jew hater is as far from being a loving Christian as it’s possible to get.

    As to mikey, as someone who works, runs a business and pays taxes, I find it offensive that mikey spends my money on work time on taxpayer funded pc’s spewing hate at religious people. That is just plain wrong.

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  135. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    That’s what you normally do Reid, so your being hypocritical on that front. And being a Jew hater is as far from being a loving Christian as it’s possible to get.

    #12

    + another lie, maybe I should count those separately.

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  136. stephieboy (3,104 comments) says:

    Putin, the great and fearless ” democrat”,

    http://bostonreview.net/world/paul-hockenos-can-vladimir-putin-upend-democracy-europe

    and,

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-24063298

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  137. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Just in case, don’t panic mikey. Reid’s just being his usual paranoid self. The most I would do is wind you up a little about it. Your job is perfectly safe.

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  138. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    Reid’s just being his usual paranoid self.

    #13

    Interim ratio: 13/32 posts = 40.6% – would be higher if I bothered to count a few more insults earlier in the morning. Not a very good record just in a few hours, quite frankly.

    The most I would do is wind you up a little about it. Your job is perfectly safe.

    Yes. Ha ha. Very funny, always a laugh to raise something like that. Almost as funny as when someone gets cancer.

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  139. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Yes. Ha ha. Very funny, always a laugh to raise something like that. Almost as funny as when someone gets cancer.”

    How about we bring up the time you posted Nazi propaganda films claiming the concentration camps were really quite nice.

    People in glass houses…….

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  140. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    I don’t welcome the rise of Christianity in China. China’s population is 1.2 B if christians have their way every child will have a soul ( made in God’s likeness)and there will be 3B Chinese (all wanting to emigrate). In the Philipnes the Catholic Church opposes birth control.
    The parable of the Good Samariton says it all: you don’t need to be a believer to be good (and believers can be good or bad).

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  141. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “I don’t welcome the rise of Christianity in China. China’s population is 1.2 B if christians have their way every child will have a soul ( made in God’s likeness)and there will be 3B Chinese (all wanting to emigrate).”

    Most Chinese Christians are Protestants hj, so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. That said, I would welcome large scale immigration of Chinese Christians. It would help turn the tide against secular culture.

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  142. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    How about we bring up the time you posted Nazi propaganda films claiming the concentration camps were really quite nice.

    Yeah you’ve claimed that many times but I don’t recall ever doing that. Remind me – was that the greatest story never told? If so the reason I don’t recall it is because that vid was about many many things and if you’ve taken one little segment from it that I didn’t even notice and then claimed repeatedly that was what it was about, once again you’ve told another lie.

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  143. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Actually it was mikey who said it, and oddly enough I’m inclined to take his word. Differences between him and I aside, I take him quite a bit more seriously than you.

    And let’s face it, it’s just the kind of lunacy you would indulge in.

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  144. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    From memory, Reid, it was a video about the masonic/jewish/illuminati roots of the Russian revolution. The happy Nazi camps bit was just a small, but nauseating, part of the whole message.

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  145. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    From memory, Reid, it was a video about the masonic/jewish/illuminati roots of the Russian revolution. The happy Nazi camps bit was just a small, but nauseating, part of the whole message.

    Well it would be good if you stopped pretending that’s what it was about then. Thanks in advance. If I post a vid on who was behind the Russian revolution I don’t expect to be accused of what you’ve been accusing me of and I trust you can agree with that in principle.

    And let’s face it, it’s just the kind of lunacy you would indulge in.

    #14 plus a lie. Of course I don’t approve of that and you know it.

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  146. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    mike said: “it was a video about the masonic/jewish/illuminati roots of the Russian revolution. The happy Nazi camps bit was just a small, but nauseating, part of the whole message.”

    Reid said: “Well it would be good if you stopped pretending that’s what it was about then. Thanks in advance.”

    It’s just not credible to post stuff like that and then claim your not really a Jew hater Reid. Excuses about who is a “true jew” don’t cut it. And even if it was only one part, you have a history of posting things from sources that certainly are.

    Now I’m not saying you have not convinced yourself that you don’t hate Jews, but that really is an example of cognitive dissonance.

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  147. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    It’s just not credible to post stuff like that and then claim your not really a Jew hater Reid.

    #15, you just can’t stop yourself can you.

    I’ve explained myself ad infinitum. Do you think those rabbis I posted yesterday also hate Jews?

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  148. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yeah Shawn, Reid only hates the ‘fake Jews’.

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  149. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Seriously,whats this fixation with religion we have going on here.

    Penny sorry but if you don’t pay for things that arent yours but use them without paying,well to me your engaged in theft from the council.

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  150. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Penny sorry but if you don’t pay for things that arent yours but use them without paying,well to me your engaged in theft from the council.

    Well, you’re wrong about that, aren’t you, you slimy little shit?

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  151. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly is right: Penny has committed no crime by refusing to pay her rates. The council can, however, sell her house to recover the unpaid rates. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.

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  152. edhunter (547 comments) says:

    And what would an atheist tell grieving parents who have just lost a baby ? That he’s just worm food
    And what would a priest tell grieving parents who have just lost a baby ? That he’s now with god
    And what would a rabbi tell grieving parents who have just lost a baby ? That he’s now with god
    And what would an Imam tell grieving parents who have just lost a baby ? That he’s now with god

    Now 3 of those answers have to be wrong. and only 1 can be right after all you wouldn’t want your christian baby associating with jews & muslims in heaven would you?

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  153. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The council can, however, sell her house to recover the unpaid rates. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.

    Only if the rating unit is in a territorial area. Serving the council and police with trespass notices should prevent the assumption of territory.

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  154. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    Yeah Shawn, Reid only hates the ‘fake Jews’.

    If you think about it, if me, the rabbis and a million or so others who think like me are right, then we’re the only ones who actually support Jews, the rest of you think you do, but you are really acting in concert with those fifth column elements we’re talking about, who wish to destroy them.

    But most of you, including I guarantee, both you mm and Shawn, can’t even be bothered looking at the evidence to see whether I and the others are correct or not. You, in your vast ignorance of what we are all actually saying and the evidence we have for it, have already decided our position cannot possibly be the case, because if we were correct, then it would be the mainstream view and the fact that it’s not, proves, in your minds, that we’re the ones who are mistaken. That’s whats happened with you two, isn’t it. If it’s not, then pray outline your understanding of our case and give me some references that you’ve looked at so I can ask you some questions to prove whether or not you’ve really read it.

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  155. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    My mindset on this matter is only confirmed by the lack of evidence for your outlandish theories.

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  156. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly
    I don’t think a trespass notice will be very effectual protection from a High Court order to sell the property.

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  157. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    If you think about it, if me, the rabbis and a million or so others who think like me are right, then we’re the only ones who actually support Jews, the rest of you think you do, but you are really acting in concert with those fifth column elements we’re talking about, who wish to destroy them.

    Especially if you consider that some Palestinians were (or are) Jewish.

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  158. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    My mindset on this matter is only confirmed by the lack of evidence for your outlandish theories.

    But if you don’t look at the evidence how do you know it’s not there, mm?

    This is an example of what I’ve been saying.

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  159. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I don’t think a trespass notice will be very effectual protection from a High Court order to sell the property.

    It wouldn’t matter if the title to the property was condemned. The court would be engaging in overt fraud if it attempted to order the sale of something that had no inherent value. The title could be effectively condemned by applying an appropriate caveat.

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  160. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly, do you ever attempt to write something meaningful. That is just legalised woo. The court will be ordering the sale of Penny’s house. No caveat she could attempt to place on the title would stop that.

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  161. mandk (995 comments) says:

    hj: “The parable of the Good Samariton (sic) says it all: you don’t need to be a believer to be good (and believers can be good or bad).

    The Good Samaritan was a believer. The Samaritans are still around and still practising their faith.

    But, you’re quite correct about believers being good or bad. We’re all sinners :-)

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  162. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    I wasn’t sure about that parable.

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  163. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The court will be ordering the sale of Penny’s house.

    How are they going to get the authority to sell someone’s private property, mikenmild?

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  164. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/11/fraud-in-psychological-research/
    In recent years, psychologists have reported a raft of findings on race biases, brain imaging and even extrasensory perception that have not stood up to scrutiny. Outright fraud may be rare, these experts say, but they contend that Dr. Stapel took advantage of a system that allows researchers to operate in near secrecy and massage data to find what they want to find, without much fear of being challenged.

    “The big problem is that the culture is such that researchers spin their work in a way that tells a prettier story than what they really found,” said Jonathan Schooler, a psychologist at the University of California, Santa Barbara. “It’s almost like everyone is on steroids, and to compete you have to take steroids as well.”
    …….
    you take an issue like diversity. Sociologist Putnam does a 10 year study of 30,000 people and finds diversity is the inverse of community cohesion. He sits on it for 5 years. Then, what do you know:

    When I met the legendary American social scientist Robert Putnam a decade ago he took me aside and revealed, almost conspiratorially, that birds of a feather flock together.

    The academic, who famously chronicled the decline of US social capital in his book Bowling Alone, was trying to explain research that in the short term at least, showed a negative correlation between diversity and community cohesion.

    “In ethnically diverse neighbourhoods residents of all races tend to ‘hunker down’,” Putnam’s study concluded. “Trust (even of one’s own race) is lower, altruism and community cooperation rarer, friends fewer.”

    But now comes new academic research looking at London which turns this idea on its head.

    Social cohesion in the capital, it concludes, is “significantly higher in more ethnically diverse neighbourhoods”, once deprivation has been taken into account.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24761954
    in other words they blame poverty. My guess is some of those people couldn’t bear any other result. Note he doesn’t acknowlege the scale of Putnams research.

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  165. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Accusations of racism and anti-Semitism

    The Anti-Defamation League has claimed that The Occidental Observer “has become a primary voice for anti-Semitism from far-right intellectuals.”[3] Among the articles it cites as evidence for this are a September 24, 2008 article titled “The Sandra Bernhard Monstrosity”[4] charged that “hostility to whites and to Christianity is a mainstream Jewish phenomenon” and a September 12, 2008 article titled “The Washington Post’s Willing Executioner?”[5] which according to the ADL, “argued that that Jews want to exterminate American whites.”[3]
    Response to allegations

    In response to allegations of bigotry and the promotion of racist ideology, The Occidental Observer responded that “[it rejects] labels such as ‘white supremacist’ or ‘racist’ that are routinely bestowed on assertions of white identity and interests as a means of muzzling their expression. All peoples have ethnic interests and all peoples have a legitimate right to assert their interests, to construct societies that reflect their culture, and to define the borders of their kinship group.”[2]

    Not if ur white (wags finger)!

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  166. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Samaritans were hated by Jesus’ target audience, the Jews,[9] to such a degree that the Lawyer’s phrase “The one who had mercy on him” may indicate a reluctance to name the Samaritan.[10] The Samaritans in turn hated the Jews.[11] Tensions were particularly high in the early decades of the first century because Samaritans had desecrated the Jewish Temple at Passover with human bones.[12]
    Wkipedia.
    …..
    The Samaritan was outside the faith but a good person.

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  167. Bob R (1,375 comments) says:

    @ hj,

    That’s interesting. I remember someone from a UK thinktank saying on twitter that the Putman findings didn’t apply in the UK. That struck me as dubious given the well documented issues there with Tower Hamlets, knife crime etc.

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  168. mandk (995 comments) says:

    “The Samaritan was outside the faith but a good person”

    Yes, he was a believer and a good person.

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  169. Nookin (3,345 comments) says:

    UT
    Try sections 59 et sequendi Local Government (Rating) Act 2002. Seems clear enough.

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  170. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Try sections 59 et sequendi Local Government (Rating) Act 2002.

    The legislation can’t give authority that it doesn’t have, and it doesn’t have any authority over private property.

    If the land in question is not within the district, i.e. territoerial area then the council has no jurisdiction.

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  171. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Do explain Ugly, how that act of parliament does not give authority. Can we assume, for the sake of argument, that Penny’s property is within the Auckland Council’s territorial area?

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  172. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    *Munches on popcorn and waits for UglyTruth to respond to Mikenmild*

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  173. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    If you’re waiting for sense you could be here a while Nostradamus……best be prepared. :)

    Ref: http://www.popcorncounty.com/wholesale-popcorn.html

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  174. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    TV3 reports Shame Jones is about to quit Labour to become some sort of Pacific ambassador!?

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  175. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Do explain Ugly, how that act of parliament does not give authority.

    Because parliament does not own (or have an interest in) all property in New Zealand.

    Can we assume, for the sake of argument, that Penny’s property is within the Auckland Council’s territorial area?

    No.

    Territory. A part of a country separated from the rest, and subject to a particular jurisdiction. Geographical area under the jurisdiction of another country or sovereign power. (Black’s 5th)

    For example, the 50 states of North America are not US territorial areas.

    http://www.dol.govt.nz/immigration/knowledgebase/item/1266

    What is included in New Zealand Territory?

    “New Zealand” is defined in section 4 of the Immigration Act 2009 as follows:

    “New Zealand means any land territory within the territorial limits of New Zealand; and includes—

    (a) The internal waters of New Zealand (as defined in section 4 of the Territorial Sea, Contguous Zone, and Exclusive Economic Zone Act 1977); and

    (b) The Ross Dependency (including any ice shelf); and

    (c) For the purposes of sections 21(a), 22(1)(c)(ii), 73(d), and 74(1)(b)(ii), and 77(4)(a) of this Act, the territorial sea of New Zealand[; and

    [(d) For the purposes of section 283(2)(a) of this Act, the area of sea adjacent to New Zealand and bounded by the outer limits of the contiguous zone of New Zealand(as defined in section 4 of the Territorial Sea, Contguous Zone, and Exclusive Economic Zone Act 1977).”

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  176. Pete George (23,572 comments) says:

    Jones leaving is a bit of a surprise on first hearing, but not really, he wasn’t going to get anywhere with Labour.

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  177. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You are full of it this evening Ugly. Auckland City is indeed ‘part of a country separated from the rest, and subject to a particular jurisdiction’. Parliament does not have to own all property in New Zealand to make rules relating to the disposition of such property.

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  178. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    So I wonder how much party vote support he’ll bring over to National? McCully’s given him a job as a roving pacific ambassador.

    That’s a nice bit of lateral thinking. Probably didn’t come from McCully I’d have to say, he’s a destruction specialist.

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  179. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You are full of it this evening Ugly.

    How so?

    Auckland City is indeed ‘part of a country separated from the rest, and subject to a particular jurisdiction’.

    You could say the same about private land in Auckland.
    Also, Auckland is not a geographical area under the jurisdiction of another country or sovereign power.

    Parliament does not have to own all property in New Zealand to make rules relating to the disposition of such property.

    The rules are only relevant to persons under its authority.

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  180. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Oh, back to the people versus persons thing. Haven’t we already established that is complete nonsense? Or should we all stop paying our rates?

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  181. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=territory

    territory (n.)
    late 14c., “land under the jurisdiction of a town, state, etc.,” probably from Latin territorium “land around a town, domain, district,” from terra “earth, land” (see terrain) + -orium, suffix denoting place (see -ory). Sense of “any tract of land, district, region” is first attested c.1600. Specific U.S. sense of “organized self-governing region not yet a state” is from 1799. Of regions defended by animals from 1774.

    “Since -torium is a productive suffix only after verbal stems, the rise of terri-torium is unexplained” [Michiel de Vaan, "Etymological Dictionary of Latin and the other Italic Languages"]. An alternative theory, somewhat supported by the vowels of the original Latin word, suggests derivation from terrere “to frighten” (see terrible); thus territorium would mean “a place from which people are warned off.”

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  182. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Auckland would appear to me to be an ‘organized self-governing region’.

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  183. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Haven’t we already established that is complete nonsense?

    No, I’ve previously pointed out the governments are the creations of people and legal persons are the creations of government.
    Assuming that persons and people have equal status leads to an absurd state of affairs regarding responsibility.

    Or should we all stop paying our rates?

    Yes, we should. The rating system is based on the administration of Roman territorial areas, not on the law of the land.

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  184. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    Jones leaving means that the Māori party has a slightly increased chance of survival. It’ll be most interesting to see who both Labour and Māori put up in Tāmaki Makaurau, as that was previously shoe-in for Jones with Sharple’s retirement.

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  185. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers – some of you will LOVE this one! ;)

    22 April 2014

    Minister for Justice
    Judith Collins

    ‘Open Letter’ /OIA request to NZ Minister for Justice Judith Collins – what was the involvement of the NZ Ambassador to China (Carl Worker) in your ‘private’ Oravida dinner?

    Dear Minister,

    Please provide the following information which confirms;

    1) Who invited Carl Worker, the NZ Ambassador to China, to this Oravida ‘private’ dinner?

    2) Why the NZ Ambassador to China, Carl Worker, declined to attend this Oravida ‘private’ dinner.

    3) Who paid for the ‘dinner’ that you ate?

    4) Why was your ‘senior advisor’ Margaret Malcolm present at this Oravida ‘private’ dinner, and in what capacity?

    5) In what capacity did you, Minister of Justice Judith Collins speak “.. to the ambassador about the dinner the following day and told him “nothing had occurred that was untoward and it was just a very private friendly dinner that was short”.

    ie: As a private citizen, or as the Minister for Justice?

    6) Did you, Judith Collins speak to Carl Worker in his capacity as NZ Ambassador to China, regarding this Oravida ‘private’ dinner?

    7) Is it your normal ‘custom and practice’ to take notes at ‘private’ dinner meetings with ‘friends’?

    8) How do you draw a ‘line in the sand’ between your rights to privacy as a citizen, and the public’s right to transparency in your public role as Minister for Justice?

    BACKGROUND INFORMATION:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11240640

    “Justice Minister Judith Collins has recovered her memory after telling Parliament she could not recall whether she had briefed New Zealand’s ambassador to Beijing about her Oravida dinner.
    …..
    In Parliament’s last session before a two-week recess, she again refused to identify the official she dined with, said she did not know of Oravida’s difficulties in the Chinese market before the dinner, and said she could not remember whether she had briefed ambassador to Beijing Carl Worker about the dinner.

    She told the Weekend Herald she didn’t believe she had spoken about the dinner to Mr Worker beyond an initial discussion beforehand when he said he would not attend.

    But on Thursday evening, she said she had checked her notes and believed she had spoken to the ambassador about the dinner the following day and told him “nothing had occurred that was untoward and it was just a very private friendly dinner that was short”.

    She said Mr Worker had asked her on the day of the dinner to just let him know if there was anything that he needed to know about.
    …….”
    _________________________________________________________

    Yours sincerely,

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate, polling 4th with 11,723 votes campaigning against corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region

    http://www.pennybrightformayor.org.nz

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  186. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    Pay your rates corrupt woman before having the cheek to talk about corruption!
    Go away, Miss Dim.

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  187. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Do you pay rates, Ugly?

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  188. Reid (16,472 comments) says:

    some of you will LOVE this one!

    I’m predicting not too many of us will Penny. Try posting something on Len and you might get a better response.

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  189. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Do you pay rates, Ugly?

    No.

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  190. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Penny please dont hiss just pay what YOU owe.

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  191. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Not a property owner then?

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  192. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Penny please dont hiss just pay what YOU owe.

    For her to owe a debt there has to be an express agreement.

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  193. lilman (960 comments) says:

    lol,ugly,really.
    Just sitting around waiting for another police car chase I suppose?

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  194. Tictactoe (32 comments) says:

    Buying a property pretty much amounts to an agreement to pay rates.

    UglyTruth, we have simple legislation in NZ that do not have complicated wording and shit for you to figure out an escape clause using common law which don’t even apply when legislation has been specifically enacted anyways. Read the Local Govt Act and any related legislation, you will clearly find clauses specifically telling you that LGAs have the authority to rate your property for services provided.

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  195. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    Ah GOOD.

    BIG (defamatory) bites from BOYolo prove that I am on the right track …

    Thanks for that!

    You have a GREAT evening – you have certainly helped make mine!

    Kind regards

    Penny :)

    PS: NOPE – I’m not paying rates while Auckland Council is not complying with the Local Government Act 2002 nor the Public Records Act 2005, and telling us EXACTLY where rates monies are being paid.

    (I know – some of you Kiwiblogger whingers are FAR too gutless to make a stand on principle which cannot be ignored – you aren’t even brave enough to put your names to your posts! (yawn)……

    PPS: Where’s the Taxpayers Union on this matter?

    If the Taxpayers Union believes in ‘transparency’ – then why don’t you support the Public Records Act 2005 being complied with in a proper way?

    http://archives.govt.nz/advice/guidance-and-standards/continuum-resource-kit/continuum-publications-html/f16-public-records

    How can you have transparency or accountability without proper WRITTEN RECORDS??

    When you’re ready …… :)

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  196. Tictactoe (32 comments) says:

    Penny Not-so

    If I put my real name to this post, you wouldn’t have the opportunity to make a lame insult out of it and I also wouldn’t want to deprive you of the opportunity to tell me how really caring you are…

    PS. I wonder if I can change my username to TackyToeRag. I quite like it.

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  197. lilman (960 comments) says:

    I take issue and are making a stand that you should pay your rates,you really are dishonest in my opinion .

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  198. Don the Kiwi (1,758 comments) says:

    Penny’s getting ready to pitch her tent on Aotea Square again.

    It’ll be hilarious seeing her on TV getting dragged out arse first again. And what an arse it was !!

    No wonder johnboy has a hard spot for her. :-)

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  199. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Homosexuality seems like a win-win for straight men.

    It usually takes two good looking men and two ugly women off the market.

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  200. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMnjF1O4eH0

    :) :) :) :) :)

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  201. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    Penny, CONGRATULATIONS on your “Open Letter” to Judith Collins.

    Bloody Winston, with his vast political experience and wisdom, has been slogging away week after week trying to to frame a question that will pin down Judith, but I think your well worded epistle has done it in only eight questions.
    Penny, with keen expectation we wait to see if you have really nailed her this time.

    That little fat Labour guy has tried weak in and weak out too, but gets absolutely nowhere. So good on you!

    You are certainly on the right track and we are sustained and encouraged by you fight against transparency, rates and accountability and all that stuff.

    Have a great evening :-)

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  202. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Wonderful to see a couple of intelligent, on to it Ladies supporting each other on fighting against “all that stuff” ! :)

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  203. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    What ia it abiut crazy people lile penny that they take any and all criticism as justification for their craziness and that they are somehow getting to you and their points ‘scare us’.

    When the crazy homeless person is flinging poo around, asking them to stop does not justify the poo flinging.

    The only way to really get through to nutters like penny is to deprive them of oxygen by if ignoring them. Facts, logic, and reasoned argument do nothing but give them fuel for the crazy fire.

    No amount of logic and reason will make penny accept that she is a thief with no leg to stand on.

    I do hope aucklanders take pity when the last screw pops loose and she is roaming the streets homeless raving at ghosts. Or at least hide their cats from her.

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  204. stigie (1,198 comments) says:

    I reckon Johnboy should put her up at his place….im sure she will pay her way !!~

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  205. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Since you’re not all that fussy….. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/u6ibmyqbee3iwr2/wLhP0iAZzL

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  206. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    22 April 2014

    NZ Minister for Foreign Affairs
    Murray McCully

    ‘Open Letter’ /OIA request to NZ Minister for Foreign Affairs Murray McCully – what was the involvement of the NZ Ambassador to China (Carl Worker) in Judith Collins’ ‘private’ Oravida dinner?

    Dear Minister,

    Please provide the following information which confirms;

    1) Who invited Carl Worker, the NZ Ambassador to China, to this Oravida ‘private’ dinner?

    2) Why the NZ Ambassador to China, Carl Worker, declined to attend this Oravida ‘private’ dinner.

    3) In what capacity did Minister of Justice Judith Collins speak “.. to the ambassador about the dinner the following day and told him “nothing had occurred that was untoward and it was just a very private friendly dinner that was short”.

    ie: As a private citizen, or as the Minister for Justice?

    4) Did Judith Collins speak to Carl Worker in his capacity as NZ Ambassador to China, regarding this Oravida ‘private’ dinner?

    5) Please provide copies of ALL information, ‘briefing notes’ / emails / notes of telephone messages/ memos / minutes /reports (and the like)
    between Judith Collins (Minister for Justice) and Carl Worker (NZ Ambassador to China) relating to this matter.

    BACKGROUND INFORMATION:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11240640

    “Justice Minister Judith Collins has recovered her memory after telling Parliament she could not recall whether she had briefed New Zealand’s ambassador to Beijing about her Oravida dinner.
    …..
    In Parliament’s last session before a two-week recess, she again refused to identify the official she dined with, said she did not know of Oravida’s difficulties in the Chinese market before the dinner, and said she could not remember whether she had briefed ambassador to Beijing Carl Worker about the dinner.

    She told the Weekend Herald she didn’t believe she had spoken about the dinner to Mr Worker beyond an initial discussion beforehand when he said he would not attend.

    But on Thursday evening, she said she had checked her notes and believed she had spoken to the ambassador about the dinner the following day and told him “nothing had occurred that was untoward and it was just a very private friendly dinner that was short”.

    She said Mr Worker had asked her on the day of the dinner to just let him know if there was anything that he needed to know about.
    …….”
    _________________________________________________________

    Yours sincerely,

    Penny Bright

    …………………
    ………………….

    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate, polling 4th with 11,723 votes campaigning against corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region

    http://www.pennybrightformayor.org.nz

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  207. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Be quiet Grendel. Don’t deprive the rest of us of a great comedic talent! :)

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  208. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    “Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference”
    So they let people who OWE money in and out of NZ?
    Amazing that the rusty squeaky wheel that makes noise gets oiled.
    Oh fuck, that is just disgusting – mind bleach please

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  209. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    I’ve trained all my ewe’s to stop, kneel and stay on command nasska! :)

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  210. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    I agree its funny johnboy, I just don’t like picking on the mentally ill. One day when penny is in her padded room the nurses can tell her its working and corruption has ended. Of course by then her house will be sold and she will have been found on the streets eating cats and yelling at children about who they have dinner with :)

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  211. stigie (1,198 comments) says:

    Fucking minus is roaming the streets tonight !

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  212. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    She may invite Gareth around to have dinner Grendel and get the last laugh on us as one of the great, made in heaven, love affairs begins! :)

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  213. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Just pretend he/she’s not there stigie. :)

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  214. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    Actually – some of you ill-informed Kiwibloggers seem to have overlooked, that Occupy Auckland actually won the Appeal in the Auckland High Court?

    Here – read it for yourselves:

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/APPEAL-decison-6-March-2013.pdf

    (As a Named Respondent – I was one of the (successful) Appellants).

    You may also care to check out the following 10 new Items of Evidence that I was allowed to adduce, a number of which show how Auckland Council works in the interests of the corporate 1%:

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/OCCUPY-AUCKLAND-APPEAL-APPLICATION-BY-APPELLANT-BRIGHT-TO-ADDUCE-NEW-EVIDENCE-pdf.pdf

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

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  215. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

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  216. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Penny Not-So:

    I believe these scenes are from the Occupy Auckland protest that you mentioned. The Police are locking you up!

    Can we look forward to similarly hysterical scenes from you when your house is sold?

    My favourite quotes:

    “What am I being arrested for?”
    “I sat in a tent!”
    “What am I being charged with?”
    “I never breached the peace. They did, not me!”.

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  217. Tictactoe (32 comments) says:

    Penny Not-so:

    STFU and pay your rates. Meant of course in a caring way (so you don’t end up homeless)

    Kind regards,
    TackyToeRag

    Attendee: 2009 How to take a shit properly Medical Conference
    Attendee: 2010 How to keep my arse out of my head Medical Conference
    Attendee: 2013 How not to make up bullshit Political Conference

    2014 Bumfuck, Nowhere Presidential Candidate, polling 2.31 billion votes campaigning against idiots who don’t fucking pay their rates. (So there.)

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  218. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    Keep going GUTLESS ‘Grizzle’ ………………….. (yawn) ………………

    Kind regards

    Penny :)

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  219. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    Is THAT the best you can do Tacky?

    Pathetic.

    (Meant of course in a caring way ……..)

    Kind regards

    Penny

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate, polling 4th with 11,723 votes campaigning against corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region

    http://www.pennybrightformayor.org.nz

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  220. Tictactoe (32 comments) says:

    Oh my god, Not-so. You do actually care about me.

    Words cannot express how totally overjoyed I am to learn of this.

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  221. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    Bloody Shane Jones
    Reminded Penny that Murray McCully is alive and a target too
    But you’ve fucked up again, Penny

    Your diatribe to Judith was OK announced here
    But Winston would have advised you to send you OIA to McCully unannounced, then compare the two, IF YOU WERE SERIOUS.

    See – it is fuck-ups like this that reveal your need for attention/ narcissist complex and [for Johnboy's benefit] “all that fucking stuff”, that you are just a magpie [eh? Johnboy] shitting in any nest available then passing on to the next.

    But this will of course still make your day, because this is all that it is about , meant in a casually sort of observant way :-)

    Watch out for the barbed wire, Johnboy, it could snag you real nasty like.

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  222. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    I’ve trained all my ewe’s to stop, kneel and stay on command nasska!

    On the butcher’s block no doubt.

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  223. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    MY OIA requests to both Judith Collins and Murray McCully are ‘OPEN letters’ Sofia.

    That means – I send them far and wide so that as many folks as possible can see the questions being asked.

    It’s all good – I know exactly what I’m doing – even if you don’t.

    Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny

    PS: Oh – I’m serious.
    There is a LOT more to come on this, and related issues …….

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  224. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    11 723 votes in Auckland. Never a better use of the phrase ‘quality, not quantity’.

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  225. lilman (960 comments) says:

    lol,4 am and I just read your post Penny,guess you paid your power bill.
    Need to sleep,will read one of your earlier posts ,that should do it.

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  226. Nookin (3,345 comments) says:

    Penny. You seem to be reading a different decision. The court found that an injunction was justified and lawful in the sense that it did not offend BORA. It simply went too far and tried to restrain future breaches in an indefinite manner. You were not permitted to adduce evidence. You were permitted to refer to it In case it was useful ( de bene esse – ie conditionally or provisionally). You tried to show that the council was politically motivated. The court rejected to proposition of hand and said that there was not a shred of evidence to support that view. In fact, the court chided you for failing to put the issue to the council witness. Your evidence was ignored as irrelevant.
    I guess you have to claim points when you can but very few lawyers I know would ever say that you won that case.

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  227. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    When Penny’s open letters regularly make the 6 oclock news I might take them seriously. Until them they are meaningless, powerless and useless.

    The Judith Collins silliness is old news. The public has moved on. The polls still show National soaring and Labour, which was already in trouble, now has to deal with their one and only effective MP resigning for a government job.

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  228. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Broadcasters battle internet TV threat
    Thirty years after failing to convince the Supreme Court of the threat posed by home video recordings, big US media companies are now trying to rein in another technological innovation they say threatens their financial well-being.

    The battle has moved out of viewers’ living rooms, where Americans once marvelled at their ability to pop a cassette into a recorder and capture their favourite programmes or the sporting event they wouldn’t be home to see.

    Now the entertainment conglomerates that own US television networks are waging a legal fight, culminating in today’s Supreme Court argument against a startup business that uses internet-based technology to give subscribers the ability to watch programmes anywhere they can take portable devices.

    The source of the companies’ worry is Aereo, which takes free television signals from the airwaves and sends them over the internet to paying subscribers in 11 cities. Aereo, backed by billionaire Barry Diller, has plans to more than double that total.

    Broadcasters including ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC and PBS have sued Aereo for copyright infringement, saying Aereo should pay for redistributing the programming the same way cable and satellite systems do.

    The US networks increasingly are reliant on these retransmission fees, estimated at US$3.3 billion last year and going up to more than US$7 billion by 2018. They fear that they will lose some of that money if the Supreme Court rules for Aereo.

    Aereo’s service starts at US$8 ($9.30) a month and is available in New York, Boston, Houston and Atlanta, among others. Subscribers get about two dozen local over-the-air stations, plus the Bloomberg TV financial channel.

    In the New York market, Aereo has a data centre in Brooklyn with thousands of coin-size antennae. When a subscriber wants to watch a show live or record it, the company temporarily assigns him an antenna and transmits the programme over the internet to the subscriber’s laptop, tablet, smartphone or other device.

    The antenna is only used by one subscriber at a time, and Aereo says that’s much like the situation at home, where a viewer uses a personal antenna to watch over-the-air broadcasts for free.

    Broadcasters and their backers argue that Aereo’s competitive advantage lies not in its product, but in avoiding paying for it. The broadcasters told the court that Aereo’s “competitors pay for the rights to retransmit ‘live TV’ to the public as they must to avoid liability for copyright infringement while Aereo does not”.

    The federal appeals court in New York ruled that Aereo did not violate the copyrights of broadcasters but a similar service has been blocked by judges in Los Angeles and Washington.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11242413

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  229. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    UglyTruth, we have simple legislation in NZ that do not have complicated wording and shit for you to figure out an escape clause using common law which don’t even apply when legislation has been specifically enacted anyways.

    Wrong. Try Baron Parke’s maxim, the golden rule of statutory interpretation.

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