General Debate 23 April 2014

April 23rd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    NZ Labour – dog tucker 20/09/2014

    Their last visible MP who could connect with ordinary New Zealanders has gone. I don’t include O’Connor in this as he’s rarely heard of. He might as well go too, I would!

    As I am so fond of saying, Nats will govern alone… if they want to

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  2. Colville (2,269 comments) says:

    Breaking news…

    This morning Shane Jones was quoted as saying …

    “I woke up and realised I had made a mistake, there is no way I can leave politics, David Cun*life is such a nice guy and I want to go to my grave working for such a truthful honest Leader”

    (ok so its not actually April 1st :-) )

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  3. hj (7,026 comments) says:

    The Demolition of a Nation, One Step At A Time
    http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/2014/03/06/demolition-nation-one-step-time/

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  4. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Supreme Court upholds Michigan affirmative action ban

    “The Supreme Court has upheld Michigan’s affirmative action ban, ruling that the state has the right to determine whether racial preferences can be considered in college admissions.

    In a 6-2 ruling on Tuesday, the justices said that a lower federal court was wrong to set aside the change as discriminatory. The Supreme Court ruled that Michigan voters had the right to change their state constitution to bar public colleges and universities from using race as a factor in admissions.

    Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for the majority, suggested that right extends even beyond college policies.

    “There is no authority in the federal constitution or in the [courts'] precedents for the judiciary to set aside Michigan laws that commit to the voters the determination whether racial preferences may be considered in governmental decisions, in particular with respect to school admissions,” he wrote.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/22/supreme-court-upholds-michigan-affirmative-action-ban/

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  5. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Labour can’t keep up with the Jones’

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  6. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Raining on Bart Ehrman’s Easter parade

    A group of biblical scholars respond to the anti-Christian author’s latest attack on the divinity of Jesus

    “Easter is no longer just a time for Christians to celebrate the Resurrection and non-Christians to celebrate Easter bunnies. It’s also a time for anti-Christians to come out with highly publicized books attacking biblical accounts. Annually they debunk all the way to the bank. Bart Ehrman’s How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee is one of this year’s efforts.

    Happily, New Testament scholar Michael Bird and some of his colleagues have risen to the challenge by rapidly producing a response, How God Became Jesus: The Real Origins of Belief in Jesus’ Divine Nature—A Response to Bart D. Ehrman.

    First we have Bird’s overall critique of Ehrman’s work, followed by, courtesy of Zondervan, excerpts from two chapters of this counter-Ehrman book, the first written by Bird and the second penned by another New Testament scholar, Simon Gathercole.”

    http://www.worldmag.com/2014/04/raining_on_bart_ehrman_s_easter_parade

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  7. hj (7,026 comments) says:

    Labour needs to appeal to it’s roots (the Sociology Department”s).

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  8. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  9. Ed Snack (1,874 comments) says:

    mjw, I think you missed off the /sarcasm tag; because, surely, you can’t be that deluded ?

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  10. lilman (960 comments) says:

    MJM,seriously you are badly out of touch with reality.
    Its why Labour are in this position.

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  11. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    There is no god only deluded idiots

    To scared to face reality without a prehistoric crutch of ignorance.

    FFS keep your pathetic stone age faith to your self

    It is absolutely disgusting to bring out your delusion daily on gd.

    [Partly deleted by DPF and 50 demerits]

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  12. The only red for me is that of Manchester United (60 comments) says:

    And Moyes has gone as well. There will be a drink tonight to celebrate Jones and Moyes departures!

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  13. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Ed Snack – Lilman. I don’t really believe that of JK. He does seem a decent bloke. But it is exactly what happened in Singapore, where the opposition parties have been demolished and kept down by use of taxpayer funds and lawsuits. The current PM of Singapore is the son of Lee Kuan Yew, and they are pretty clearly now a monarchy with a supporting aristocracy that gets rich off special government deals.

    So we need to remind JK, and ourselves, what lies at the end of this path. An extremely weak Labour party is bad for NZ. A government that uses taxpayer resources for political or personal purposes is bad for NZ.

    Time for a change of government before this goes too far.

    [Edit - Although at least Singapore retains a form of democracy, and that is an important check on the their incipient monarchy. So it could be worse]

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  14. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Shane would not turn the other cheek (so to speak), would not tolerate rainbow room fairy antics, and sure as hell would not be part of the McCarten leeching envy mindset. For all his shortcomings, he is at least a real man with a real family, and a wife addressed as Mrs. Tojo may be worried about O’Connor, he doesn’t seem to be a fairy, even Buffoon Cosgrove will need to be watched, Whirlings Circus are short of clowns.

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  15. hj (7,026 comments) says:

    Free speech at the standard

    SouthDeez 28
    22 April 2014 at 9:51 pm

    I was just wondering, how come Pete George’s ban was lifted?

    [lprent: He got banned in August 2012 for (yet again) trying to tell us how we should run our site - something that we give fair warning about being dangerous to do in the policy.

    We lifted all outstanding bans in a well publicised amnesty in March 2013. This gets done periodically because most humans do have this facility to be able to learn from experience, so we give them a chance to rejoin the noisy and robust arguments going on here.

    His absence after that was purely voluntary.

    He has been mostly been following the policy guidelines he started commenting again a month or so ago. Despite all of the moaning about his comments, he hasn't really overstepped the bounds since. ]
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    karol 28.1
    22 April 2014 at 10:08 pm

    There was an amnesty for all bans a while back.
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    lprent 28.1.1
    23 April 2014 at 12:44 am

    Ummm. Must look at a amnesty again. It really has to be soon so we can eliminate the ones who are too dumb to read the policy before full-blown election season arrives. Or after the election.

    There are a few still serving out long bans and about ten or twelve previous regulars who picked up permanent bans since March last year. Most bans of the latter were banned for trying diversion trolling at the top comments in posts. Haven’t really had to do any of those that I can remember since early this year.

    That is a very dangerous sport that as who knows when we have time to bump their preferred posts to OpenMike. If we’re short of time, then we stop warning and start banning to reduce the workload. We find this kind of semi-random sentencing risk helps to ensure people are very cautious about their exposures to the edges of the policy.

    Then there are a pile of simple trolls who got booted off the site after a couple of comments for being stupid trolls (we rather like playing with the smarter ones). We’d have to cull the ones who haven’t picked up the capabilities to survive here out again. Saw quite a few “first-timers” come through today who didn’t manage to write anything intelligent for any viewpoint in several comments and didn’t make it past first moderation.

    At least they have an amnesty (unlike the Greens).

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  16. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    @ShawnLH at 8:12 am
    Yet another day of not bringing up religion unless taunted by atheists (sigh)

    @griffith at 8:24 am
    If you don’t like it, stop fanning the flames.

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  17. lilman (960 comments) says:

    1….2…..3…………

    Cue Penny !!!!!!!!!!!

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  18. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    mjw: First it was Sky City. Then Oravida. Now National is using taxpayer funds to buy off opposition politicians. What’s next?

    Well, you could start by telling the truth – a novel experience for you, but one you should try.

    The drivel you posted yesterday suggesting the new Sky City Convention Centre was somehow going to cost the taxpayer $400 Million, was total bollocks. The costs will be borne by SCEG – as you have been told. Many times…

    Oravida is a non-story being fuelled by a lapdog media devoid of any meaningful policy to promote on behalf of the left.

    And now your suggestion Jones was ‘bought off’….

    If you really believe that, then I can sell you the nice new, Kopu Bridge. At a special price just for you! :roll:

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  19. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    The only red for me is that of Manchester United (48 comments) at 8:26 am

    And Moyes has gone as well.

    Oh well, had to happen I suppose. No shopping for Brendan Rodgers, mind.

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  20. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Elaycee. I do try to tell the truth. Sorry if I am not meeting your standards. Will try harder! For the record:

    – Korda Mentha valued the benefit to Sky City of the regulatory concessions at $400m+.

    – The PM said that if you have nothing to fear then you have nothing to hide. Why does this not apply to Oravida and his Justice minister? Nobody believes it was a personal dinner; her staffer went, the Ambassador was invited, and she briefed the Ambassador afterwards. Both the Justice Minster and PM have changed their story about this so many times I’ve lost count.

    – And it’s not just me saying National have nobbled Jones with the offer of a government post, it’s half the pro-National commentators in the intersphere!

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  21. redqueen (563 comments) says:

    MJW, sounds more like you’re talking about Labour under Clarkie… National isn’t attempting to create a cult of personality around JK or create a single-view party (‘we only want gay feminist trade unionists’). It’s regrettable for Labour, but the internal struggle which is being ever more won by the left can’t be palatable for their ‘right’, and so I can’t see much reason why someone like Jones would really want to stick around. Saying that this is ‘bad’ for democracy is nonsense. Labour will revive, at some point, or a new political party may come along that actually wants to represent the centre-left. Equally, after years of having micro-parties as a consequence of MMP, with two behemoths trying to represent ‘stable’ government, perhaps we’re moving back towards a more sensible position. Alas, I think NZ First may screw up this election and we’ll be stuffed with either a stark raving Rainbow Alliance or a National Government reliant on a devil in pursuit of baubles.

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  22. stephieboy (3,109 comments) says:

    Shawn LH, Fox news and yourself pining for the good old days of segregation and Jim Crow.?

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  23. redqueen (563 comments) says:

    In other news…yet more socialist nonsense:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11241853

    If we are to assume that the State is paying for education (good or bad), surely it has a right to demand some form of actual ‘return’ for its ‘investment’. Decrying a loss of ‘independence’ sounds more like whining from socialists who don’t want people to actually get real jobs and don’t want to lose their cushy positions teaching young people that every heteorsexual male is a racist misogynsit who wants to rape the planet to death. Saying that this encourages ‘short term employment goals’ is utter nonsense. That’s right, having more people trained as engineers, scientists, and techies will be a terrible thing and is horribly short-sighted by Joyce…

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  24. mjw (396 comments) says:

    redqueen – I agree with you. Labour deserved to lose in 2008, and they did. Also, I agree the pattern of behaviour from the Nats is not yet as bad as it was with Labour in their last term. But the signs are there. This government has lost its Mojo, and becoming more and more a government of plutocrats. Another term will see reams of incompetence, special deals, and abuse of office.

    But I’m also puzzled why people persist in calling the Nats right wing. Yes they are pro-business, but right wing? Hardly. They are keen to reduce individual freedom and increase the power of government.

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  25. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Not sure what happened then 8O Lets try again….

    mjw: Korda Mentha valued the benefit to Sky City of the regulatory concessions at $400m+.

    Jesus wept! So they ‘valued the benefit’ of the SCEG proposed spend. So what? If there was not a benefit of more than $400 Million for SCEG, then do you think the Sky City shareholders (and bankers) would approve a spend of $402.3 Million to build it??? But I reiterate: nowhere in the KM Report does it suggest the taxpayer is required to pay for it. Because they’re not!

    Now, if you can’t understand this, please get someone to explain it to you. Because I can’t explain it any clearer.

    But in the meantime, stop telling porkies.

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  26. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Actually I like making fun of spasms retarded god crap

    Posting The stupidity of christians pathetic myths daily is the best advertisement for atheism yet .

    A young girls says she didn’t have sex the baby just happened to be from god….. :lol: …really.. :lol:

    Ignorant gullible fools trying to inflict their stupidity on the rest of us.

    Going to Church and the bible should be r18 minimum
    Porn alcohol plastic pot violent movies etc have age restrictions so should the bible one of the most violent and disgusting books ever .Stop the brainwashing of innocents. You can have your personal delusion. The state should stop you spreading it to kids.

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  27. OneTrack (3,109 comments) says:

    mjw – “An extremely weak Labour party is bad for NZ.”

    So they should get their act together and, at least try to make themselves electable? But, no, they chose an idiotic narcisist as their leader, cuddled up to the unions, focussed on the important stuff (trailer registrations) and now they are actively burning off their non-gay, non-wimmin, members. Those members are starting to realise there is no place for them in Labour 2014.

    Labour used to claim they were a “broad church”. They aren’t anymore.

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  28. stephieboy (3,109 comments) says:

    Shane Jones purchased by Jk much like Hone purchased by .com.?

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  29. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Elaycee – we agree that the government granted regulatory concessions to Sky City that had a value of at least $400m. To my mind, that means the government paid for the convention centre. It wasn’t free – they paid out a benefit. And bear in mind that value doesn’t include the harm of problem gambling, which Treasury acknowledged was serious but said was too hard to quantify. The government pays for that. Vulnerable people pay for that. Their communities pay for that. Sky City benefits.

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  30. Nookin (3,348 comments) says:

    If an organisation’s turnover increases by $400m, or if its value goes up by that much, how is it a cost to the taxpayer? This is just the sort of zero-sum approach that destroys any credibility that the left may have. It is not about dividing the pie. It’s about creating a bigger pie.

    Leftist wealth distribution is inherently counterproductive. Key, on the other hand, has created opportunities for employment, tourism and growth.

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  31. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Shawn LH, Fox news and yourself pining for the good old days of segregation and Jim Crow.?”

    Stephie, how is it you can make astute and intelligent comments one moment, and then batshit crazy ones the next?

    Of course not, and if you have followed my posts, which I know you do, you know how passionately anti-racist I am.

    But affirmative action strikes at the heart of a free society. It is in fact the Left’s version of segregation. People should get jobs or positions based solely on their ability and merit, without regard to race. One of the problems with some of the US’s inner cities is that affirmative action has passed over people with real talent in favour of people with the right skin colour. This leads to decline and the worst kind of racial crony-ism.

    Affirmative action is also insulting to the minorities it is aimed at. It suggests they are not able to achieve on their own merits, but need a helping hand. That strikes me as a kind of paternalistic racism.

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  32. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    griffith at 9:00 am

    Actually I like making fun of spasms retarded god crap

    Whatever – you’re coming across rather “schoolboy” and boring though.

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  33. OneTrack (3,109 comments) says:

    mjw – “Nobody believes it was a personal dinner;”

    Actually many people do. Most people couldn’t care less. It was a dinner for god’s sake. It wasn’t a War Room meeting.

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  34. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Griff,

    “Havent you got innocent kids to fiddle or some other christian distraction so I don’t have to read your filth”

    You have 30 minutes to retract that post and apologise.

    Accusing me of child molestation is way, way beyond what is reasonable, and I will take action if you fail to make this right.

    What I choose to talk about on gd is my business, not yours. This is not your blog. Grow up.

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  35. OneTrack (3,109 comments) says:

    mjw – “To my mind, that means the government paid for the convention centre. It wasn’t free – they paid out a benefit. ”

    You are joking? Right?

    So which government account did this $400 mill come from. What hospital couldnt be built because the givernment had “spent” the benefit on Sky City.

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  36. flipper (4,068 comments) says:

    I doubt that one single Cun*liffe / union / socialist apologist writing above is aged much beyond 18 years.

    They will may be vote for the first time on September 20.

    They will then spend years 19, 20 and 21 sulking and telling the world that National ripped off the electorate, and years 22, 23 and 24 trying to take this nation back to 1908.

    And some time after that, but long before they reach their mid thirties and vote in the 2035 General Election, they will finally realise that the socialist crap they were force-fed by the socialist teachers/lecturers is just that.

    Sad, but true.

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  37. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Stephie, how is it you can make astute and intelligent comments one moment, and then batshit crazy ones the next?

    Because you don’t think that they’re batshit crazy when he’s agreeing with you, Shawn.

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  38. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @mjw: I call bullshit.

    You claimed yesterday that the Convention Centre was to be funded to the tune of $400+ Million – by taxpayers.

    That statement is total bollocks. A licence extension costs the taxpayer: Zero. Nil. Nada. Zip. Nothing. But we get a new Convention Centre in the Auckland CBD. A total no-brainer.

    Now, until such time you can grasp very basic math, I’ll leave you alone to peddle your own ‘special’ brand of bollocks.

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  39. mjw (396 comments) says:

    It’s an opportunity cost OneTrack. It is revenue foregone in financial terms. The convention centre was not free. The government chose to trade off the benefit of the regulatory concessions to get it built. In effect we paid for it.

    But the bigger point is that the regulatory concessions stink. Would you be happy to see the government selling, say, a monopoly on beer production? They would certainly get extra revenue at no cost, right? Maybe the beer company would even build them a free motorway in return for the favour. But there is no way I would count that as free money or as a free motorway. Instead it would be the the sale of a monopoly.

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  40. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Elaycee – post the quote please.

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  41. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    SGA,

    “Yet another day of not bringing up religion unless taunted by atheists (sigh)”

    That was the case. No longer. The attempts by Griff to silence me have backfired.

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  42. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It was a dinner for god’s sake. It wasn’t a War Room meeting.

    That’s like saying it was only a glass of milk. Context is everything.

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  43. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:

    and posting christian crap daily is mature and intelligent. :lol:

    sorry spc if you don’t like it if I lower my self to christians level to point out their hypocrisy and pathetic myths.

    The christ stain premise that I am going to be damned for eternity for unbelief in their superstition of god is far more childish and offensive than any post I have ever made.

    Telling kids they’ll be damned for mans original sin is one of the greatest perversions perpetrated by organised religion.

    NZ needs to r18 all churches and religious books at lest if not outright ban them to protect the innocent from their brainwashing propaganda.

    organised religion is the church brainwashing kids.

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  44. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    ShawnLH at 9:20 am

    “Yet another day of not bringing up religion unless taunted by atheists (sigh)”
    That was the case. No longer.

    Actually, it still IS the case that you brought it up.

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  45. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Accusing me of child molestation is way, way beyond what is reasonable, and I will take action if you fail to make this right.

    Whereas accusing me of hating Jews when I’ve explained my position many times yet you continue to persist in lying, is just fine, right?

    The attempts by Griff to silence me have backfired.

    What a pity.

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  46. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Actually, it still IS the case that you brought it up.”

    Yup. Like I said, the posts from Griff over the last few days have convinced me to change the rules.

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  47. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Whereas accusing me of hating Jews when I’ve explained my position many times yet you continue to persist in lying, is just fine, right?”

    Because as me, mike and others have pointed out, your explanation is not credible. Your view on this identical to classical anti-Semitism. All you have done is slightly changed the wording to provide a cover, and only a couple of days ago posted a link to a white supremacist web site.

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  48. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Resorting to name calling so early in the morning with little fear of reprisal… A lot like parliament!

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  49. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Here’s hoping Trevor Mallard is going to be running Labour’s social media efforts during the election campaign. He may well have been in shock last night, but shock and Twitter are not of necessity good bedfellows…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/tweet-of-day-22-april-2014.html

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  50. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    ShawnLH at 9:26 am

    Yup. Like I said, the posts from Griff over the last few days have convinced me to change the rules.

    Oh yeah – I bet it took lots of “convincing”.
    Things to do – do at least try to play nicely children.

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  51. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    And remember Reid, I’m not the only one saying the same thing, and it’s not as though you haven’t provided a great deal of evidence against yourself.

    The vid we were discussing yesterday, in which Jews were blamed for the Russian revolution, is a standard ant-Semetic line.

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  52. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Elaycee – we agree that the government granted regulatory concessions to Sky City that had a value of at least $400m. To my mind, that means the government paid for the convention centre.”

    *shakes head*. you belong on the left.

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  53. wf (442 comments) says:

    What does r18 mean?

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  54. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Because me, mike and others have pointed out, your explanation is not credible. Your view on this identical to classical anti-Semitism.

    Yes Shawn. This is the zionist definition of anti-Semitism right? Hurled around to shut people up? And they also accuse those hundreds of Jewish Rabbis who also see what I see and warn of, of being anti-Semitic too. Do you seriously think a Rabbi is anti-semitic? Just because zionists lay that accusation, doesn’t make it so, anymore than a communist accusing the West of being whatever makes that so. Get it? It’s not complicated.

    All you have done is slightly changed the wording to provide a cover, and only a couple of days ago posted a link to a white supremacist web site.

    No I posted a link to an article, and who cares what site it was on, that means something of significance only to people who can’t think. I told you on that same thread I didn’t know what the site was and that’s a fact, but as I say, it’s irrelevant anyway because information is information and it’s the article that’s relevant and the only thing that’s relevant.

    Your accusation of me hating Jews or in fact, anyone, is as false as Griff’s comment toward your propensities is, yet you see no conflict whatsoever, do you. If anyone hates Shawn, it’s you, as proven by your comments here day after day after day. It’s a sign of low intelligence you know that people who have a certain propensity, such as to hate people, think that everyone else thinks like them.

    The vid we were discussing yesterday, in which Jews were blamed for the Russian revolution, is a standard ant-Semetic line.

    But you didn’t watch it so how would you know and yet you’re quite happy to hurl venom. It happens to be the truth that most of the Bolshevik leaders WERE Jews who say they are but who are not. To establish that all you need to do is educate yourself but you’re not prepared to do that, are you. The accusations I and many others make are not anti-semitic, they’re the historical truth. Think Churchill was anti-semitic? Look at what he said about the Bolsheviks, in that link I gave the other day.

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  55. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    mjw: Elaycee – post the quote please.

    Try this: mjw (47 comments) says: April 22nd, 2014 at 6:47 pm. The cost to the taxpayer is conservatively estimated in the Korda Mestha report at $400+ million… (My emphasis but your typo).

    A quote. Your statement. But it wasn’t from the KordaMentha Report at all. You made it up. You told porkies.

    That’s why I called bullshit. Because it was.

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  56. stephen2d (83 comments) says:

    Where are all these biggoted North Americans coming from (other than North America, duh!) with their religious views, hatred and other utter shit that no one cares about? Harping about hate of Jews, of Islam, etc.

    Anyway, Moyes sacked, Jones quits – the latest conspiracy theory is that he is going to be appointed the manager of Man U!

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  57. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    On the American decline: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/upshot/the-american-middle-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html?hp

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  58. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    mjw and Elaycee are talking past one another. The $400 million cost is not borne by the taxpayers directly. The deal allows Sky City to vacuum an additional $400 million from the pockets of those people who will be feeding the pokie machines. Either way, the cost is borne by the community. Sky City isn’t providing something for nothing.

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  59. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “This is the zionist definition of anti-Semitism right? Hurled around to shut people up?”

    No, it’s the JEWISH definition of anti-Semitism. And once again, most Zionists are Jews. your twisting and turning on that issue is not credible. And accusing vast numbers of Zionist Jews of being “Satanic thugs” is yet more evidence.

    “No I posted a link to an article, and who cares what site it was on, that means something of significance only to people who can’t think. ”

    If your posting from the same sources as White Supremacists, that means a great deal to people who can think.

    Your just making excuses Reid, and they are not remotely convincing.

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  60. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    A possible major downside to the Shane Jones situation is that the Green support will increase. I hope I am proved wrong on this!!

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  61. flipper (4,068 comments) says:

    mjw (47 comments) says:

    April 23rd, 2014 at 9:19 am

    It’s an opportunity cost OneTrack. It is revenue foregone in financial terms. The convention centre was not free. The government chose to trade off the benefit of the regulatory concessions to get it built. In effect we paid for it.

    *****

    Elaycee…don’t bother responding. This new comer is as thick as pig shit.

    It has its economics 101 screwed. Opportunity Cost relates to an investment or development opportunity NOT exploited. Or to time/effort/investment that could be more productive if spent in other ways. Regulations imposed for “social good” (the wowser justification) do not represent an investment/development opportunity.

    But then this 18 year old would believe in flying pigs and Elvis.

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  62. Albert_Ross (293 comments) says:

    I have a question which I put out of idle curiosity.

    There’s been media discussion recently about Benji Marshall’s not very successful switch from league to rugby.

    Do players ever make the switch in the opposite direction? Not counting Sonny Bill Williams, who went back having come from league in the first place. Why/why not? Is the money better in rugby?

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  63. mjw (396 comments) says:

    Elaycee – if you take that to mean out of pocket cost (cash), then I happily withdraw that. My intention is only to consider opportunity cost. I did not mean to imply cash cost, but see how you could interpret it in that way. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

    [Edit: Filpper: taking your definition, could the Government not have extracted the same value by charging a fee for license renewal and expansion? That certainly seems to fit your definition of opportunity cost. Also, I really don't think abuse makes your argument more credible]

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  64. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

    Is there any one on here does this on a regular basis?

    One guess

    Calls Reid a nazi and me a gaia worshiper.

    both of these are lies

    A christian :lol: Crist stain more like it

    Nutters So often don’t follow the teachings they try to inflict on others.

    Typical christian hypocrite

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

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  65. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Albert
    I think the money is better in union these days. I can’t think of a high profile union player who has switched recently.

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  66. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Dime was listening to ZB this morning. Hosking had some nerd on from the “dont run over kids” foundation or whatever its called.

    Apparently, this RIGHT WING govt has just pumped 30 million dollars into making drive ways safer.

    Give me fucking strength!

    I wonder what freedom Dime will lose to ensure no kid gets run over in a drive way. Course, whatever they come up with will barely work.

    It wouldnt surprise me if driveways end up being fenced like swimming pools.

    wont someone think of the children??

    imagine all the JOBS! so many fences needing built! and all that inspector cash for the councils. oh christ its exciting!

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  67. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    No, it’s the JEWISH definition of anti-Semitism.

    No, moron. It’s the definition made by jews who say they are but who are not and it’s used to stifle debate, as John Walt also said in the vid I posted yesterday. It happens all the time. This is why they call you a useful idiot. Because you’re so self-righteous you don’t even do any research yourself, before you “know” the truth and then like a demented zealot run around doing their dirty work for them.

    And accusing vast numbers of Zionist Jews of being “Satanic thugs” is yet more evidence.

    If a group of people was out to destroy the Jewish people by setting up a fifth column inside their nation, what would you call them? Your heroes? As I said Shawn, Jesus will judge us both, and He doesn’t look kindly on bearing false witness, pride and arrogance.

    BTW, answer the question please: was Churchill anti-semitic? He makes the same allegation I do about the Bolsheviks, so was he or not? Yes or no?

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  68. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    More money on rugby… Think about it. League players move to countries like to Japan to play rugby. That’s not for the love of the game… Money talks and they have a living to make.

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  69. infused (654 comments) says:

    Who the fuck would want to comment @ The Standard anyway. Bunch of fucking morons. Especially OAK. Biggest angry retard there, next to felix and tracy.

    Pretty sure none of them work as they comment there 24/7.

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  70. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Jews are Jews. Reid has absolutely no evidence of any group of ‘false Jews’. It’s just a piece of anti-Semitic weasel wording.
    BTW – is John Key a ‘false Jew’?

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  71. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @Flipper: You’re on the money:

    Elaycee…don’t bother responding. This new comer is as thick as pig shit.

    Agree.

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  72. Yvette (2,821 comments) says:

    Penny, Shane Jones may baulk a little at drinking milk with Chinese guests at private dinners, but it will be less job-threatening than Judith Collins doing it.

    So that is fixed :-)

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  73. publicwatchdog (2,598 comments) says:

    Here you go Kiwibloggers – this OIA reply should be FASCINATING …..

    OIA acknowledgment from Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully’s Ministerial Secretary received 9.25am today 23 April 2014:

    Dear Ms Penny Bright,

    On behalf of Hon Murray McCully, Minister of Foreign Affairs, thank you for your correspondence of 22 April requesting information regarding any involvement of the New Zealand Ambassador to China in Minister Collins’ Oravida dinner.

    You will receive a reply within 20 working days as required by the Official Information Act.

    Yours sincerely,

    Holly

    Holly Bennett | Ministerial Secretary | Office of Hon Murray McCully
    Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister for Sport and Recreation
    6.1 Executive Wing Beehive | Parliament Buildings | Wellington 6160 | New Zealand
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    22 April 2014

    NZ Minister for Foreign Affairs
    Murray McCully

    ‘Open Letter’ /OIA request to NZ Minister for Foreign Affairs Murray McCully – what was the involvement of the NZ Ambassador to China (Carl Worker) in Judith Collins’ ‘private’ Oravida dinner?

    Dear Minister,

    Please provide the following information which confirms;

    1) Who invited Carl Worker, the NZ Ambassador to China, to this Oravida ‘private’ dinner?

    2) Why the NZ Ambassador to China, Carl Worker, declined to attend this Oravida ‘private’ dinner.

    3) In what capacity did Minister of Justice Judith Collins speak “.. to the ambassador about the dinner the following day and told him “nothing had occurred that was untoward and it was just a very private friendly dinner that was short”.

    ie: As a private citizen, or as the Minister for Justice?

    4) Did Judith Collins speak to Carl Worker in his capacity as NZ Ambassador to China, regarding this Oravida ‘private’ dinner?

    5) Please provide copies of ALL information, ‘briefing notes’ / emails / notes of telephone messages/ memos / minutes /reports (and the like)
    between Judith Collins (Minister for Justice) and Carl Worker (NZ Ambassador to China) relating to this matter.

    BACKGROUND INFORMATION:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11240640

    “Justice Minister Judith Collins has recovered her memory after telling Parliament she could not recall whether she had briefed New Zealand’s ambassador to Beijing about her Oravida dinner.
    …..
    In Parliament’s last session before a two-week recess, she again refused to identify the official she dined with, said she did not know of Oravida’s difficulties in the Chinese market before the dinner, and said she could not remember whether she had briefed ambassador to Beijing Carl Worker about the dinner.

    She told the Weekend Herald she didn’t believe she had spoken about the dinner to Mr Worker beyond an initial discussion beforehand when he said he would not attend.

    But on Thursday evening, she said she had checked her notes and believed she had spoken to the ambassador about the dinner the following day and told him “nothing had occurred that was untoward and it was just a very private friendly dinner that was short”.

    She said Mr Worker had asked her on the day of the dinner to just let him know if there was anything that he needed to know about.
    …….”
    _______________________________________________________

    Yours sincerely,

    Penny Bright

    ……………………
    …………………….

    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate, polling 4th with 11,723 votes campaigning against corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region

    http://www.pennybrightformayor.org.nz

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  74. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Dime, for the life of me, I can not understand why it is hard to ensure kids aren’t behind a reversing car. Call it a tragic accident, a moments carelessness, whatever…

    Result is a dead child because some dumb arse adults didn’t take the time to check where the kid was.

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  75. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “you don’t even do any research yourself, before you “know” the truth”

    I have done a lot of research over the years on anti-Semitism Reid. I just do not consider far right White Supremacist web sites as viable sources of accurate information, nor the kind of Russian neo-Nazi vids based on the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ to be accurate sources of information about Jewish people.

    The only person in this being gullible and unthinkingly swallowing propaganda is you.

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  76. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Reid has absolutely no evidence of any group of ‘false Jews’.

    I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
    Rev 2:9

    The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies.” (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 84)

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  77. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Result is a dead child because some dumb arse adults didn’t take the time to check where the kid was.”

    Agreed. I wonder how many drivers do a check before even getting in the car. I sure as hell always do. You just never know.

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  78. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Well, he won’t be able to deal with it for a few days, but I have laid a complaint with DPF. He can deal with/to Griff when he returns.

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  79. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Reid has absolutely no evidence of any group of ‘false Jews’.

    There’s plenty of evidence but you haven’t bothered to look at it mm. I told you yesterday, summarise the main accusations, give me the sites you’ve looked at and allow me to ask you some questions to prove you’ve read them. But neither you nor Shawn are interested in taking that up, are you. So until you do, don’t say there’s no evidence, just tell the truth, and say you haven’t yet read any yourself and until you have you’re not in a position to make an informed judgement.

    I have done a lot of research over the years on anti-Semitism Reid.

    Well duh. That’s like saying you’ve read the 911 Commission Report and you’ve concluded the official story fits all the known facts and there’s nothing further to discuss. What a moronic approach to education you have Shawn.

    And for the third time, answer the question, moron. Was Churchill anti-semitic. Yes or no?

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  80. Sofia (858 comments) says:

    Despite his successes, Jones’ political career was blighted by controversy. In 2009, the release of ministerial credit card details showed he had been using his to watch porn in hotel rooms although he had repaid the amounts in question.

    Why was Shane Jones dropped in it, when Cunliffe with his private trust hasn’t been yet, “although he had repaid the amounts in question”

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  81. Pete George (23,578 comments) says:

    [lprent: He got banned in August 2012 for (yet again) trying to tell us how we should run our site – something that we give fair warning about being dangerous to do in the policy.

    What happened was that after yet another swarm of attacks and abuse I politely suggested that The Standard would be taken more seriously and respected more if the tone and behaviour improved.

    The swarms of attacks and abuse still happen.

    Labour haven’t improved either and it looks like they are in the crap.

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  82. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly
    It’s been pointed out to you several times that the Herzl quote does not mean what you think it means. So every time you use it you are flaunting your ignorance.
    Now, according to you I don’t have to pay my rates, right?

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  83. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Reid
    Is DPF a ‘false Jew”?
    Why has Churchill’s anti-Semitism become an issue?

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  84. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “But neither you nor Shawn are interested in taking that up, are you.”

    Because they will provide no evidence that I have not already seen. I already know about the so-called evidence you cite Reid. It’s nothing new. And it’s not credible.

    “That’s like saying you’ve read the 911 Commission Report and you’ve concluded the official story fits all the known facts and there’s nothing further to discuss.”

    Bollocks. Researching anti-Semitism by consulting Jewish sources rather than Neo-Nazi and White supremacist stories is by far and away a more valid approach.

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  85. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Was Churchill anti-semitic? Yes or no?

    Why has Churchill’s anti-Semitism become an issue?

    Ah, so you say he was then mm. How about you Shawn? What’s the answer from you?

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  86. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    PG: I am intrigued…why do you bother trying to comment at the Stranded?? You are never going to convince any of them of anything..unlike the breadth of commenter POV here they are (almost) all shrill far lefties/marxists…why do you bring the grief on yourself?

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  87. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Well, he won’t be able to deal with it for a few days, but I have laid a complaint with DPF. He can deal with/to Griff when he returns.

    :lol:

    run to daddy because nasty Griff as rude and points out my hypocrisy .

    Another ban for trolling christians. You fucken christians troll me constantly with the religious crap I am exposed to daily on the streets in the papers and on here. christians don’t like it when I persecute them . Its only just after 2000 years of christians persecution of any and all who disagree with them.

    Lets reinstate burning of heretics. Anti science ones . nothing like a good fire to cleanse the soul according to christen doctrine so let’s do to to them for the next 2000 years

    [DPF: 20 more demerits. Troll elsewhere]

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  88. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Reid
    I’ll repeat, why is Churchill’s anti-Semitism an issue? Did it influence your anti-Semitism?

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  89. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Because they will provide no evidence that I have not already seen. I already know about the so-called evidence you cite Reid. It’s nothing new. And it’s not credible.

    OK then. Give me a list of the top ten books on the subject and a precis of the main theses in each. Since you “already know about the so-called evidence” this should be no problem. Unless you’re lying. Which alternative is more likely, I wonder.

    And for the fifth time, was Churchill anti-semitic? Yes or no?

    why is Churchill’s anti-Semitism an issue?

    I’ll answer that when Shawn gives me his answer.

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  90. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It’s been pointed out to you several times that the Herzl quote does not mean what you think it means.

    Bullshit. The text makes it clear that Herzl wrote that some anti-semites were respectable, and that that anti-semitic countries would be the allies of Zionists.

    “It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as ‘stooges of the Jews.’ Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies.” (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)
    http://www.truetorahjews.org/herzl

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  91. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Reid,

    The problem with using information from Neo-Nazi and While supremacists sites is that even while some of the information may be true; directing people to that info in it’s entirety risks them thinking, “Man, yes those Jews are a problem – I’m going to become a neo-Nazi since they’re the only ones that know what is going on!”

    You may think you know what information there is true and therefore valid to pluck out, but in my opinion it’s best to treat the whole package as tainted and get better sources, if you are trying to (in your mind) help people figure out what is going on in the world.

    I personally am aware that most of the top Bolshevik leaders were Jewish (atheistic Jews) and that Karl Marx was Jewish but his family converted to Christianity when he was a child, and then he became an atheist when he was older. But so what? That does not therefore mean that Israel is the spiritual heir of Communism. It doesn’t really mean anything much, in my opinion.

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  92. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “run to daddy because nasty Griff as rude and points out my hypocrisy .”

    No, you strongly hinted, and that’s putting it mildly, of child molestation.

    That’s not just “rude” nor is pointing out hypocrisy.

    It’s just cowardly bullying, and the kind of thing I could haul your ass into court for.

    Ironically, the only reason I’m not taking that course of action, is the very same Christian belief your so opposed to.

    But keep on that same path Griff, and things will turn out badly for you.

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  93. dirty harry (489 comments) says:

    Next up…Minister for Driveways…

    Pull ya head in National you looking more and more like klarkula everyday..Get the fuck out of our lives you interfering busy bodies.

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  94. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Jerusalem greeted Herzl appropriately and, excommunicated and ostracized, he was compelled to sit alone during his entire stay in Jerusalem. This was after a strict warning was issued by the rabbi of Jerusalem, Rabbi Shmuel Salant, “that no one should draw near to him or give him a place in the Jewish area of Jerusalem.” (Mara D‟ara Yisroel v. 2 p. 45)
    Rabbi Yosef Meir Weiss,Rebbe of Spinka, Hungary (1838-1909)

    http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/TheRabbisSpeakOut.htm

    Was Rabbi Shmuel Salant anti-semitic too?

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  95. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Didn’t Kea get banned for calling people child molesters? I think it was the accumulation of comments that did her in – Griffith would be well warned to cool it.

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  96. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Australia will make one of its biggest ever military purchases with a $12 billion order for 58 Joint Strike Fighters in a move that will lift the nation’s air combat power to among the world’s most advanced.”

    Thanks for doing your bit aussie! and doing our bit too!

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  97. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    Shawn

    So if Griff carries on the same path things will turn out badly for him.

    Does the length of the path determine the depth of your Christian belief?

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  98. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Child molestation
    Kiddy fiddling christianity based politicians is a fact not a myth in NZ.

    Are you ?
    Graham John Capill (born 1959) is a former New Zealand Christian leader and politician. He served as the first leader of the now-defunct Christian Heritage Party, stepping down in 2003. In 2005 he was convicted of multiple sexual offences against girls under 12 years of age and sentenced to nine years imprisonment. He was released on parole in August 2011, having served six years of that sentence.

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  99. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    Dime

    They had permission from the US as a strategic plan to combat China.

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  100. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Didn’t Kea get banned for calling people child molesters? I think it was the accumulation of comments that did her in – Griffith would be well warned to cool it.”

    Yes, and Griff is on a slippery slope.

    Naaska, do you think random accusations of child molestation legitimate?

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  101. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    That’s not just “rude” nor is pointing out hypocrisy.

    Big bruv, Reid, and I have all called you on your false accusations against us, Shawn.
    The fact that you go running to DPF when it gets served back to you speaks volumes.

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  102. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    “That does not therefore mean that Israel is the spiritual heir of Communism. It doesn’t really mean anything much, in my opinion.”

    The Balfour Declaration to create a return home for the Jewish race in Palestine was a Rothchild initiative promising Britain US help during WW1 if they left Palestine and opened it for the Jews. The British signed the dotted line but the Rothchilds bided their time before letting the Jews reclaim their land. Whether Jewish leaders were aware of the Balfour Declaration would be interesting to know.

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  103. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Big bruv, Reid, and I have all called you on your false accusations against ”

    They aren’t false. And I have never accused anyone of child molestation. The fact that you do not understand the difference between that and ideological differences speaks volumes about you.

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  104. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    “The fact that you go running to DPF when it gets served back to you speaks volumes.”

    Actually an old tactic he would have learned from D4J who is a byword for doom to all would be

    verbal terroists on this site.

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  105. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    But so what? That does not therefore mean that Israel is the spiritual heir of Communism. It doesn’t really mean anything much, in my opinion.

    Lucia, the truth is neither pro nor anti-semitic, it’s simply the truth, plain and simple. That’s the so what. I mean, how CAN truth, facts, incidents, adopt some kind of emotive veneer? It can’t. The truth is what the truth is. Facts are facts.

    It’s not about communism, it’s how the Bolsheviks treated the Russian people, mostly Christians, that’s the relevant part of the Bolshevik incident, and that is merely one of many littered throughout history. But we’ve been taught in the western world that looking at that aspect of that event of the plain and simple truth nothing more and nothing less, is supposedly and apparently, anti-semitic.

    Simple logic tells you that the truth cannot be anything but that, but in the emotive world of anti-semitism, which is an accusation that has been carefully associated with the holocaust, up is down and left is right and white is black and truth doesn’t feature if it means the Jews who say they are Jews but who are not, are going to be blamed for something the evidence shows they have in fact, in truth, actually done. But if that happens, then anti-semitism is wheeled out, usually by useful idiots who don’t understand the difference between a baseless emotive allegation and actual hard truth.

    Once again Shawn. Was Churchill anti-semitic? Was Rabbi Shmuel Salant anti-semitic?

    They aren’t false.

    Yes they are and the fact you can’t answer those two simple questions above speaks volumes about you.

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  106. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Let’s clear this up for the morons here.

    Accusations of holding to a non-Criminal ideology is not even close to accusing someone of child molestation. The latter is a crime, and falsely accusing someone of a crime, especially one as heinous as this one, is not acceptable, under any circumstances.

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  107. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    Shawn

    ….”do you think random accusations of child molestation legitimate?”…..

    I’d put them on the same level as accusing someone of being a Jew hater yet we have seen little contrition on your part for accusing Reid of that.

    But it’s your statement, “the only reason I’m not taking that course of action, is the very same Christian belief your so opposed to.” followed by “But keep on that same path Griff, and things will turn out badly for you”, that fascinates me. It would seem that your much vaunted faith will not survive personal heckling.

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  108. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    wiki – do you think we should have a half decent air force?

    personally i think we should have something! some f-18’s would be nice

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  109. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    BTW Reid, Churchill was not anti-Semitic. My question stands though: why would this be an issue?

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  110. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “yet we have seen little contrition on your part for accusing Reid of that.”

    For good reason. It’s a reasonable accusation given his ideology and the sources he uses.

    “It would seem that your much vaunted faith will not survive personal heckling.”

    Accusing someone of child molestation is not heckling naaska, not by a long shot. And my faith is fine thanks, I have the right to defend myself against charges of criminal behaviour.

    And the fact that you didn’t give a straight answer to my question speaks volumes.

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  111. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    dime
    The F-16s we were supposed to get in the ‘deal of the century’ would have been excellent value.

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  112. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    An island nation cannot defend itself without an effective air force. Labour’s policy in that area was based on Clark’s bizarre notion that there will never be a threat to NZ.

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  113. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    They aren’t false.

    You’re the most prolific liar on KiwiBlog, Shawn.
    How do you propose to prove that Reid hates Jews?

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  114. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Accusations of holding to a non-Criminal ideology is not even close to accusing someone of child molestation.

    Bearing false witness is bearing false witness and the ramification of being falsely accused of something you’re not in the least bit guilty of is I think best assessed not by the accuser but by the accusee.

    After weeks of bellowing false accusations the very first time one is issued against him he goes running to mama.

    Perhaps this is God’s way of telling you you’re wrong Shawn. You might want to take it to prayer.

    Churchill was not anti-Semitic

    Oh good, mm. I agree with you. Yet he identified the Jews amongst the Bolsheviks same as I did, except he didn’t even bother distinguishing between Jews who say they are but who are not with the actual Jews from the Bible, as I always have. So why therefore, am I accused of being so but he isn’t??

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  115. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:

    gonna take Griff to court and sue him for defamation.

    go ahead retard make my year.

    You would have a shits chance in hell

    Your lies and distortion make mine look like innocent chat. I would have more chance of suing you as could Reid and others

    It good to know that I stress you that much :lol:

    Have you beaten your wife due to the anger you have against me yet?

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  116. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    narsekissa

    It seems that in many instances, the force is only skin deep, even allowing for the practical reality that true enlightenment is an aspiration that few attain.

    The thinner the skin, the less the force. In this context, the evidence accumulated here suggests a strong correlation between skin thickness and the degree of true enlightenment in embracing the force.

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  117. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “How do you propose to prove that Reid hates Jews?”

    He does that every time he speaks on the subject.

    If Reid was truly only anti-Zionist then he could make his case without resorting to classical anti-Semitic tropes, like the claim that Jews were responsible for the Russian revolution. Note that he gave the game away there, he said Jews, not Zionists.

    That claim is a standard one with neo-Nazis, and was in fact one of the claims Hitler and the Nazi’s made.

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably a duck.

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  118. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    grieffy

    What on earth is going on?

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  119. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “You would have a shits chance in hell”

    Actually, I would have a very good chance.

    “Have you beaten your wife due to the anger you have against me yet?”

    Keep digging Griff.

    As to anger, look at your posts over the last few days. Seriously, irony much?

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  120. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    griffith and Shawn are having a little tiff, DVM. It’ll blow over soon.

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  121. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    God and Niche are enjoying a bottle of wine together, laughing over who has the most followers in kiwiblog.

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  122. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “How do you propose to prove that Reid hates Jews?”

    He does that every time he speaks on the subject.

    Like when he asked : “Once again Shawn. Was Churchill anti-semitic? Was Rabbi Shmuel Salant anti-semitic?”

    You’re lying again, Shawn.

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  123. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “griffith and Shawn are having a little tiff, DVM. It’ll blow over soon.”

    Not this time. I’m saving posts, and the whole page for good measure.

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  124. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    So, when did you stop beating your wife, Shawn?

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  125. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “God is dead.” Nietzsche – 1883.

    “Nietzsche is dead.” God – 1900.

    :)

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  126. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “So, when did you stop beating your wife, Shawn?”

    She’s part Scottish and part Ngai Tahu. I’m not that suicidal. ;)

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  127. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    For good reason. It’s a reasonable accusation given his ideology and the sources he uses.

    What ideology? Truth is my ideology, nothing more and nothing less. I didn’t invent the facts I cite, I simply recognise them as facts and put them forward as an explanation for events.

    Not once, never, have you, mm, SR or any other critic ever actually gone through ANY of the links I gave and said, that footnotes wrong, that event didn’t happen because that person was somewhere else at the time, etc etc etc etc. As one does when one is looking at truth.

    Everything you have always said has ASSUMED that I must believe “y” because in your (I have to say extremely limited) experience only people who say “x” believe “y” and therefore I do too. But NOT ONCE have you ever actually looked at the people who I’ve cited, at their backgrounds – you’ve never ever talked about them. Instead you’ve briefly surfed around the site they were hosted on and quickly googled and in a few minutes, based on your “extensive” research you’ve felt quite free to issue forth with poisonous allegations of the most despicable kind. People like nasska whose seen my comments for years has tried to correct you, by saying for example I have always distinguished between the Jewish people in Israel and their leaders, but such has completely passed you by, in your rush to condemnation.

    And now, when you get a mild one-off taste of what you’ve been dishing out to me for weeks and weeks every single day, you go running to mama. Straight away.

    And you justify that by alleging griff’s allegation was much more hurtful than what you’ve been dishing out for weeks with no evidence because you don’t even know me. You’re a poisonous disgusting cowardly wretch Shawn, you really are.

    like the claim that Jews were responsible for the Russian revolution.

    It’s the truth. Churchill said it too. Was Churchill an anti-semite, you poisonous disgusting wretch? Was Rabbi Shmuel Salant anti-semitic for making the Jews of Jerusalem have nothing to do with Herzl, you poisonous disgusting wretch?

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  128. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Run out of wingnuts tdvm

    ether that or my keyboard has stuck “w” key

    Spawn has deeply insulted me and all atheists repeatedly on a daily basis for months. Hypocrite pisses blood if I insult him
    I am expecting sister hypocrisy to start defending him as she did redblather any day now

    Spam telling me I belive in his God nonsense is a incredibly offensive thing to say to me. I find it personally far more insulting than calling me a sheepshagger or Kiddyfid.

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  129. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    griffith believes god told him to shag sheep and molest children.

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  130. dirty harry (489 comments) says:

    http://www.nzcpr.com/Newsletter/

    A good read.

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  131. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Spawn has deeply insulted me and all atheists repeatedly on a daily basis for months.”

    Simply posting from a Christian pov insults no one.

    And plenty here would say the same thing about your almost daily climate change posts, including the fact that you insult anyone who does not agree with you.

    GD is a free speech zone, within the bounds of the law. Anyone can post here from any pov. Your not the arbiter of who does or does not, or on what subject. If you don’t like that, your free to go elsewhere.

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  132. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    NZCPR = wingnut propaganda site.

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  133. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Lucia, the truth is neither pro nor anti-semitic, it’s simply the truth, plain and simple. That’s the so what. I mean, how CAN truth, facts, incidents, adopt some kind of emotive veneer? It can’t. The truth is what the truth is. Facts are facts.

    Ok, we can agree on that.

    My disagreement is with the links you give to bolster your claims. If you don’t believe they are true in their entirety, then don’t post them. Posting them makes you look like a neo-Nazi, and all the squirming in the world is not going to remove that impression. Posting them also makes you look like a hater of Jews – even though you say you are not. It all goes to purpose; those links are made with a specific purpose in mind, and if you don’t agree with that purpose, choose different sources.

    It’s not about communism, it’s how the Bolsheviks treated the Russian people, mostly Christians, that’s the relevant part of the Bolshevik incident, and that is merely one of many littered throughout history. But we’ve been taught in the western world that looking at that aspect of that event of the plain and simple truth nothing more and nothing less, is supposedly and apparently, anti-semitic.

    Erm, no, disagree with this.

    Simple logic tells you that the truth cannot be anything but that, but in the emotive world of anti-semitism, which is an accusation that has been carefully associated with the holocaust, up is down and left is right and white is black and truth doesn’t feature if it means the Jews who say they are Jews but who are not, are going to be blamed for something the evidence shows they have in fact, in truth, actually done. But if that happens, then anti-semitism is wheeled out, usually by useful idiots who don’t understand the difference between a baseless emotive allegation and actual hard truth.

    The bolded part is what many, including myself, have issues with, coupled with your assertions elsewhere that Zionists are false Jews. Most Zionists are Jews. In fact, from what I have read of Polish history, the Zionists were far more trustworthy when it came to dealing with both sets of invaders in WWII, given their strong nationalism, and they were most definitely Jews.

    Removing status of any type from people was a tactic in WWII to justify wholesale murder (ie non-humans and sub-humans could be killed) and you’re doing the same thing with calling some Jews, false Jews, and it’s going to set people off and make them decide you are anti-semitic.

    Personally, I don’t think you are anti-semitic, I think you’ve just read some stuff that’s taken you down a rabbit hole and you need help getting out.

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  134. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    Harry Reid admits he attacks for Koch brothers for political reasons, such as raising money and providing a villain to rally the Dems.

    But a New York Times story published last month about the strategy puts a decidedly different spin on it. “Democrats say the strategy of spotlighting the Koch brothers’ activities is politically shrewd,” the story says. “The majority leader [Reid] was particularly struck by a presentation during a recent Senate Democratic retreat, which emphasized that one of the best ways to draw an effective contrast is to pick a villain, one of his aides said. And by scolding the Koch brothers, Mr. Reid is trying to draw them out, both to raise their public profile, and also to help rally the Democratic base. The approach stems, in part, from Democratic-funded research showing that many voters believe the political system is rigged in favor of the super rich.”

    After I read that passage, Reid replied simply, “So?”

    I pressed: “This is a political strategy, isn’t it, as well as a fundraising strategy? The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee has been raising money like gangbusters after you’ve been talking about the Koch brothers and as you said, you’ve given America the villain that they need to identify with as you struggle with your Democrats to overcome the objections to Obamacare and try to remain the majority.”

    Again, Reid’s reply: “So?”

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/slash-politics/reid-kochs-politics-and-civility

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  135. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That’s a very charitable analysis Lucia. Very charitable.

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  136. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Simply posting from a Christian pov insults no one.

    If someone accused you of conspiring in a plan to have an innocent man tortured to death, would you be insulted?

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  137. dirty harry (489 comments) says:

    geez youre sour this morning milkymike..boyfriend not let you play hide the sausage last night ?

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  138. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Brilliant post Lucia. And yes, far better worded than my attempts.

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  139. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “If someone accused you of conspiring in a plan to have an innocent man tortured to death, would you be insulted?”

    That comment makes zero sense.

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  140. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Posting them makes you look like a neo-Nazi…posting them also makes you look like a hater of Jews

    Lucia, when you’re locked inside the matrix, as you, Shawn, mm and many others are, then truth will seem to you as anathema, just as Jesus’ truth was anathema to the pharisees. I can’t help that, and of course I don’t condemn you from holding that, anymore than Jesus condemned the pharisees.

    What I do condemn, as Jesus also did, was the unwillingness to look at the truth and remain stuck inside your matrix, even when the truth is there.

    you’re doing the same thing with calling some Jews, false Jews, and it’s going to set people off and make them decide you are anti-semitic.

    Rev 2.9 and 3.9 Lucia. Jesus did it too – was He anti-Semitic? So did the apostles in for example: Ma 16:12; Ga 5:9, 2:4 and 2:11-13, Ro 10:3 and Ac 20:29-32. Were all of them anti-Semitic?

    I’ve given this site many times. It’s not neo-Nazi, it’s not anti-semitic either, it’s the plain and simple truth. Educate yourself if you wish to escape.

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/

    And for Shawn: again. Was Churchill an anti-semite for telling the truth about the Jewish involvement with the Bolsheviks, you poisonous disgusting wretch? Was Rabbi Shmuel Salant anti-semitic for making the Jews of Jerusalem have nothing to do with Herzl, you poisonous disgusting wretch?

    Answer the questions Shawn, you poisonous disgusting wretch.

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  141. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    ….”Brilliant post Lucia. And yes, far better worded than my attempts”….

    I’ve seen graffiti on shithouse walls that is better worded than some of your comments Shawn.

    Now, how about showing some practical Christianity & apologising to Reid for your slurs?

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  142. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That’s just great Reid, another anti-Semitic hate site.
    Sample:
    It’s time for ALL citizens of the world to unite and boycott ALL JEWISH DOCTORS, JEWISH DENTISTS, JEWISH LAWYERS, JEWISH LANDLORDS, JEWISH JEWELERS, JEWISH CLERKS, JEWISH BUSINESSES, JEWISH RESTAURANTS AND ALL JEWISH WORKERS UNTIL ISRAEL MAKES PEACE WITH THE PALESTINIANS!!!!! HIT THE JEWS IN THE ONLY PLACE THAT THEY REALLY HURT, THEIR POCKETBOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS BOYCOTT WILL MAKE ISRAEL NEGOTIATE!!!!!!!! EVERYONE JOIN IN THIS BOYCOTT!!!!!!!!!

    But no doubt we should ignore that and critique the content of some specific article there.

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  143. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    That comment makes zero sense.

    What part didn’t you understand, Shawn, the criminal nature of torturing an innocent man, or the slanderous/blasphemous act of accusing a just deity of involvement in such an act?

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  144. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    nasska
    I don’t think Shawn needs to apologise for calling Reid out on his anti-Semitic diatribes.

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  145. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Naaska, I could say the same about yours.

    And no, my “slurs” as you put them are valid. As Lucia points out, Reid brings the accusation on himself because he uses standard anti-Semitic tropes and White Supremacist/Neo-Nazi web sites as sources.

    If you have nothing else of value to contribute……..

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  146. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    Is it a Gallipoli ‘ghost’ or not?
    Personally, I think it’s probably the shadow of the flower. (They are referring in the story, not to the silhouette of the main figure, but to one that is right next to the flower – ie, the flower is right on top of the figure).

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/last-post-first-light/9969629/Gallipoli-ghost-captured-at-soldiers-cemetery

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  147. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    That’s just great Reid, another anti-Semitic hate site.

    No it just does what Churchill did, for all sorts of events. And if Churchill wasn’t anti-semitic as you’ve admitted he wasn’t, then why is anything on that site?

    As the site says:

    An anti-semite is not someone who hates Jews; it is someone the Zionists hate.

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  148. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    from Democratic-funded research showing that many voters believe the political system is rigged in favor of the super rich.”

    Cost of running a campaign for president Usa

    bush was spending around $400,000,000 usd each campaign

    Either you must be super rich or selling indulgences of some sort

    The american political system is funded by those loobying for the wants of already the super rich.

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  149. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Spawn has deeply insulted me and all atheists repeatedly on a daily basis for months.

    To be fair, there has been a degree of provocation. :lol: But anyway, why get upset? Just don’t read what he posts.

    Not this time. I’m saving posts, and the whole page for good measure.

    ooo errr!

    That will make a difference! :)

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  150. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’d invite any Kiwiblogger to go to Reid’s latest link http://www.iamthewitness.com/ and judge whether it is anti-Semitic. Please vote thumbs up if you agree it is anti-Semitic and thumbs down if you disagree.

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  151. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Bearing in mind: An anti-semite is not someone who hates Jews; it is someone the Zionists hate.

    It’s interesting that I’ve given this site many times and yet mm is reacting as if it’s the first time he’s seen it. Which proves my point about you not looking at anything before alleging what you’ve been alleging. These are some of the books you can read, if you’re interested in educating yourself.

    http://iamthewitness.com/doc/The.Rothschild.Octopus.htm

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Nesta.H.Webster/Secret.Societies.and.Subversive.Movements.htm

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Myron.C.Fagan/

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/The.Truth.about.Khazars.htm

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Israel.Shahak/Jewish.History.Jewish%20Religion-The.Weight.of.Three.Thousand.Years.pdf

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Archibald.Maule.Ramsay/The.Nameless.War/00.Introduction.htm

    http://ia600508.us.archive.org/3/items/PawnsInTheGame/Carr.-.Pawns.in.the.Game.international.conspiracy.exposed.1958.pdf

    http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/index.php?dir=Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/Synagogue.of.Satan

    http://iamthewitness.com/books/Inquire%20Within/The_Trail_of_the_Serpent-By-Inquire_Within-1936-335pgs-REL.sml.pdf

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  152. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    That’s just great Reid, another anti-Semitic hate site.

    Bullshit. Calling for an economic boycott with the objective of finding a remedy for the oppression of semitic people is not anti-semtism.
    Palenstinians are semites, and there’s evidence that some of them are Jewish as well.

    After years of research, Misinai says that he can declare with certainty that nearly 90 percent of all Palestinians are descended from the Jews. “And what’s more, about half of them know it,” he says. Not only that, many Palestinians retain Jewish customs, including mourning rituals, lighting Shabbat or memorial candles and even wearing tefillin.
    http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/The-lost-Palestinian-Jews

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  153. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Ugh.

    Yes the web site http://www.iamthewitness.com/ is deeply anti-Semitic. All they have done is swapped the word “Jews” for “Zionists.”

    Note they are big on the fraudulent document ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ a favourite source for anti-Semites.

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  154. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    And plenty here would say the same thing about your almost daily climate change posts, including the fact that you insult anyone who does not agree with you.

    Reaction span as I do with you

    following the superstitions of a bunch of ignorant goat herders circa 30 ce is one of the most stupid things there is.
    If no one posted christian crap no one would be insulted for showing a lack of intelligence.

    No one posting climate change conspiracy theory wingnuttery so no one is getting called out for being a wingnut.

    Look up the word wingnut
    it’s not an insult its an honest valid descriptor,

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  155. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Bearing in mind: An anti-semite is not someone who hates Jews; it is someone the Zionists hate.

    It’s interesting that I’ve given this site many times and yet mm and Shawn are reacting as if it’s the first time they’ve seen it. Which proves my point about you not looking at anything before alleging what you’ve been alleging. These are some of the books you can read, if you’re interested in educating yourself.

    http://iamthewitness.com/doc/The.Rothschild.Octopus.htm

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Nesta.H.Webster/Secret.Societies.and.Subversive.Movements.htm

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Myron.C.Fagan/

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/The.Truth.about.Khazars.htm

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  156. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Israel.Shahak/Jewish.History.Jewish%20Religion-The.Weight.of.Three.Thousand.Years.pdf

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Archibald.Maule.Ramsay/The.Nameless.War/00.Introduction.htm

    http://ia600508.us.archive.org/3/items/PawnsInTheGame/Carr.-.Pawns.in.the.Game.international.conspiracy.exposed.1958.pdf

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  157. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

    http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/index.php?dir=Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/Synagogue.of.Satan

    http://iamthewitness.com/books/Inquire%20Within/The_Trail_of_the_Serpent-By-Inquire_Within-1936-335pgs-REL.sml.pdf

    Sorry, I had to do them in three separate posts to avoid the mod kicking in.

    But if you’re not going to read those, then it’s pointless debating the topic with you, because unless and until you have, you know as much about the topic we’ve been discussing endlessly for weeks, as your average ten-year-old does about the theory of relativity.

    Also note many authors are Jewish and ex-Zionists. Go figure.

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  158. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Look up the word wingnut”

    Look up the word DEFAMATION.

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  159. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    I would milky, but I just can’t be bothered.

    Anyway, I’m too busy shaking my head wondering why a bunch of anonymous bloggers are getting so hot under the collar.

    And don’t get me started on those Jews … who’da thunk they’d ever cause so much trouble ? :lol:

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  160. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Look up the word DEFAMATION.

    :roll:

    Have a cuppa and calm down Shawn. Good griff grief.

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  161. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    Genuine question for our legal eagles – Can you actually defame someone if they are “anonymous”?

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  162. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Have a cuppa and calm down Shawn.”

    Given my wife’s job accusations like that are very serious, even if made in jest. So, no.

    If I don’t nip this in the bud it will only get worse given Griff’s level of rage, so it must and will be dealt with.

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  163. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Note they are big on the fraudulent document ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ a favourite source for anti-Semites.

    The fact that some text was lifted from “Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu” doesn’t mean that the protocols are not authentic accounts of Zionist philosophy.

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  164. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination.[1] It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies that were distributed throughout the US in the 1920s.

    Adolf Hitler and the Nazis publicized the text as though it were a valid document, although it had already been exposed as fraudulent. After the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, it ordered the text to be studied in German classrooms. The historian Norman Cohn suggested that Hitler used the Protocols as his primary justification for initiating the Holocaust—his “warrant for genocide”.[2]

    The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world’s economies.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

    The Protocols were aimed at all Jews.

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  165. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    TDVM

    do I have to post smily all the time :twisted: :lol:

    Taunting lee 01 is something I do for fun.

    It cracks me up how often he has attempted to use my techniques against others :lol:

    poor twat isn’t smart enough to work out his own game plans or to use logic to destroy an opponent.

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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  166. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    At what point have you ever used logic Griff? All you do is spew hate and accusations, without a shred of logic.

    If you seriously think your getting away with what you said, keep dreaming.

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  167. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination.

    Ziopedia, sorry, Wikipedia references José Delacruz, who writes:

    “Although at first glance, the protocols seem legitimate and original, it has been proven that they are a mere forgery of a prior document and hold no concrete evidence of an original author.”

    Delacruz is wrong, the plagiarism of the prior work is only a small part of the protocols.

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  168. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    I used to be intrigued by the arguments griffith used to put up.

    But after today’s river of sewage from him I must conclude he has nothing worthy to say anymore.

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  169. stephieboy (3,109 comments) says:

    “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion. ”

    The Forgery was in effect a warrant for genocide.!

    Rather pathetic how the gullible like UT believe it literally true.

    But I suppose if you believe flights 93 and 175 flew onto Cleveland, like a flat earth, you’d believe in anything.

    Reid ,again entertaining us with his comedy and slapstick from his salacious Jew hate links.

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  170. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Ziopedia, sorry…

    Yep. Most people in the matrix don’t get they’re in the matrix but that’s the whole idea of it. After all if you know you’re looking at propaganda then it doesn’t work, does it.

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  171. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:
    Ask DPF for my details At a guess he will decline to give them as a matter of principle.
    If he complies an email address :lol: Hotmail. And a “name”
    From there you would have to track me down to serve. Good luck with that Not an easy task to do legally. Real bad if I can prove you illegally accesses any records to find me.

    You then have to prove that everyone knows who you are. :lol:

    And that in context of prior posting by you my comments are defamation without any similar bullshit from you.

    Get a lawyer because I ill not need one and it will be so funny to see you waste so much time money and effort pointlessly.

    Dick

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  172. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “I used to be intrigued by the arguments griffith used to put up. But after today’s river of sewage from him I must conclude he has nothing worthy to say anymore.”

    Anyone who thinks merely spewing hatred and vile accusations has anything to do with logical argument does not know the meaning of the word.

    In the last few days Griff’s posts have reached epic levels of rage filled hysteria, largely I suspect because he has no real argument to make.

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  173. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Reid
    Just for shit and giggles, I’ll have a look at one of your links from iamthewitness.com and critique it. Before I do so, could you confirm that you have read those articles?
    I only ask because the last time I criticised one of your links you tried to brush it off by claiming you hadn’t read it.

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  174. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    So the reason you hide behind a false identity Griff is because your a coward. You want to be able to make any accusation you want, but are too scared to make them under your own name.

    Pathetic. Cowardly. Gutless.

    Keep digging Griff. You have no clue what kind of opponent you have chosen to cross the line with.

    Oh and, if you think you would be hard to find, your delusional. Be thankful that at this point I’m leaving it in DPF’s hands.

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  175. Colville (2,269 comments) says:

    There are going to be a LOT of voters not wanting to vote for Cun*liffe but being unable to swallow a dead rat and vote Blue.

    I think Jones leaving Liarbore will put WinstonFirst up closer to 10% than 5%.

    Is that a good thing?

    Edit. Maroi party and Hone probably both will benifit too.

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  176. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Lance

    You have worn a few
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    Often I get these little pop ups from my wingnut victims as they gather anouth courage sufficent to go boo and then run away. :lol:

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  177. cha (4,032 comments) says:

    It’s Shawn, Griff and Reid!.

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  178. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    So the reason you hide behind a false identity Griff is because your a coward. You want to be able to make any accusation you want, but are too scared to make them under your own name.

    What’s the bet that you go all coy about what LH stands for, Shawn?

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  179. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    the shane jones eulogies are a bit over the top.

    the guy had some cross party appeal but really, he is the equivalent of a chick being “office hot”. if the other labour mp’s werent just lumps of steaming shit then he wouldnt stand out

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  180. Pete George (23,578 comments) says:

    There’s a positive to Shane Jones’ exit from Parliament, and that’s the return of Kelvin Davis, who is widely respected as a decent bloke and very unlucky to be put so far down Labour’s list last election.

    In a Morning Report interview:

    But I have to say one of the big things that I want to achieve in Parliament is to raise the awareness and help to stop violence of any sort – sexual, physical, emotional violence — against our women and children. This was brought on by the Roastbusters scandal and the sexual abuse that’s been going on in the far north.

    And I’ve been sitting here thinking for the last couple of months that if I should get back into Parliament I really want to make a stand and make a difference and say this is how we as males need to behave towards our women.

    That’s something very pertinent to te Tai Tokerau and to the whole country. I wish Kelvin success.

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  181. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    ShawnLH at 12:23 pm

    So the reason you hide behind a false identity Griff is because your a coward. You want to be able to make any accusation you want, but are too scared to make them under your own name.

    Said the man under his “nom de blog”
    ShawnLH – how can anyone damage your reputation when no-one really knows who you are? Everything you’ve said about yourself could be a complete work of fiction. Good luck with the defamation, but I can’t see how it would work.

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  182. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:

    Spawn dpf could ban me if he believes my conduct warrants it

    that is his call

    so what…… I do have a life outside of wasting time on kb mate …..

    what ya gonna do

    pray at me :lol:

    Sick the missus on me :lol:

    Come around home.. my mongrels have canine teeth.

    you are pseudo so have no grounds for defamation

    If you chose not to be after the fact that is not my problem :lol:

    All it means is I have won………………..One more spluttering idiot…….. :twisted: :lol:

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  183. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Key says Easter trading laws aren’t working and need an overhaul

    By Sophie Ryan, Brendan Manning
    The Easter weekend trading laws aren’t working and need an overhaul, Prime Minister John Key says.
    =========================
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11242772

    Well we know that but in 5 years he hasn’t changed the fucking laws but has managed to waste a shit load of money on benefits and stuff.

    Same applies to the cannabis debate except they changed the law and caused all sorts of negative issues.

    Act’s saviour at hand – just push for legal weed

    Back in 2011, then Act leader Don Brash said most New Zealanders thought the cannabis law was “an ass” and the $100 million spent enforcing its prohibition could be better spent. He said 6000 people were prosecuted each year for cannabis offences, but “are we any safer”? About 400,000 New Zealanders routinely flout the law and smoke cannabis, but “has the sky fallen in”?

    Dr Whyte has long argued for decriminalisation. In November 2011, he wrote an opinion piece saying the “basic error in the drugs debate” was the belief that drugs were bad for users. “Drugs are, in fact, good for their users.” He said the pleasure of drug use outweighs the costs.

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  184. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McAlpine_v_Bercow

    “Lord McAlpine alleged that he was defamed by comments implying that he was a paedophile published by Sally Bercow on Twitter,”

    Shawn is hardly Lord McAlpine but still food for thought. Griff does seem unaware how an IP address works.
    Shawn – I don’t think even Griff knows why he behaves the way he does. I think there are quite a few of us who realise that he has rather large issues and that it’s best just to ignore him. Leave it to DPF. Griff has been banned before.

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  185. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “ShawnLH – how can anyone damage your reputation when no-one really knows who you are? ”

    Unlike Griff I post under my own name. Shawn Lee Herles.

    Griff is a coward who hides behind a psuedonym, and a fool who has no clue how easy it would be to serve him with a defamation claim.

    As to you SGA, if your standing up for your fellow atheist making accusations of child molesting, that says a great deal about you.

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  186. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    More good news.

    Booming migration will support the housing market as interest rates rise, but not enough to stop a slowdown, an economist says.

    New Zealand had a net migration gain of 3800 people in March , the second-highest month on record and stronger than bank economists expected.

    That took the annual net gain to almost 32,000 for the March year, from about 29,000 previously as migration speeds up. ==========
    Still a long way to go to recover the 600,000 that have left in the last 12 years. Imagine how much better off we will all be with a stronger population.

    What a lot of lost opportunities for NZ in the past.

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  187. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    David Icke named McAlpine as a paedophile for years, but McAlpine never attempted to bring a suit against him. Icke, unlike Bercow, has a habit of doing his homework.

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  188. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    AoR,

    “Leave it to DPF. Griff has been banned before.”

    At this point that is what I am doing. We will just have to see if Griff can learn to control his rage, and figure out that this is not his blog where he can dictate the subject matter.

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  189. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    ShawnLH at 12:50 pm

    As to you SGA, if your standing up for your fellow atheist making accusations of child molesting, that says a great deal about you.

    Sigh – you know that’s not really true, and I’m not biting.

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  190. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Ugly
    Really? Shame the BBC didn’t produce his evidence then. Would have saved them a pretty penny. And all the others. Perhaps they thought he wasn’t a credible source.

    http://digitaljournal.com/article/337555
    Ryde – Lord McAlpine has sued and received large libel payouts from both the BBC and ITV; he is suing other people too, but he won’t sue David Icke, not though for the reasons the latter may think

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  191. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Come around home.. my mongrels have canine teeth.”

    That wouldn’t worry me in the slightest Griff. As I keep saying, you have no clue who your dealing with.

    Grow up, apologise, and move on.

    Keep digging, and things will go badly for you, legally speaking.

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  192. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    David Icke, that would be the guy who promotes the Reptilian shape shifter conspiracy?

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  193. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Really? Shame the BBC didn’t produce his evidence then. Would have saved them a pretty penny. And all the others. Perhaps they thought he wasn’t a credible source.

    While the BBC has a history of some fairly solid investigative journalism, going down that rabbit hole leads to places that mainstream reporting just does not go. While they will report isolated cases, reporting about a paedophile network that involves political and religious elites from many countries isn’t something that any mainstream source is likely to do without a radical paradigm shift.

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  194. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I see the twat now has identified him self

    :lol:

    after the fact means you have brought it upon your self ……. again no grounds at all idiot.

    Please please try I beg you make a total dick of your self

    it will illustrate what a hypocrite you are
    Jesus said ……Love Your Enemies
    38″You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39″But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40″If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.…

    The plain instruction is, Suffer any injury that can be borne,
    for the sake of peace, committing your concerns to the Lord’s keeping.
    And the sum of all is, that Christians must avoid disputing and
    striving. If any say, Flesh and blood cannot pass by such an affront,
    let them remember, that flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of
    God; and those who act upon right principles will have most peace and
    comfort.

    your stupid religion not mine

    why don’t the so called christians like spawn and kow tow live the to the god words they try to inflict on us ?

    Simple they don’t belive in their godwhack They are just authoritarian control freaks .

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  195. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    David Icke, that would be the guy who promotes the Reptilian shape shifter conspiracy?

    I’ve previously hinted about shape shifters in Christianity, but you’ve avoided that issue so far.

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  196. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    We do live by God’s word Griff. These in particular are relevant:

    Matthew 28:16-20
    New International Version (NIV)
    The Great Commission

    16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    As for your hypocrisy charge – Guilty. But if I was perfect like you, I wouldn’t need Jesus :)

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  197. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ooooh Ugly, do please tell us about the reptilian shape shifters…

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  198. Albert_Ross (293 comments) says:

    ShawnLH writes:

    We will just have to see if Griff can learn to control his rage, and figure out that this is not his blog where he can dictate the subject matter.

    That is actually hilarious.

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  199. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “I’ve previously hinted about shape shifters in Christianity, but you’ve avoided that issue so far.”

    Because I don’t take it seriously. Why stop at hinting?

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  200. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “why don’t the so called christians like spawn and kow tow live the to the god words they try to inflict on us ?”

    Nobody is inflicting anything on you “Griff”, and I do try, imperfectly, to live according to Christ’s commandments. That is why I am leaving this in David’s hands, as opposed to taking other measures.

    Grow up “Griff”, and post under your own name, if you have the guts.

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  201. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    shawn – let it go. complain to DPF when he is back and the guy will get a smack down.

    griff – would it kill ya to man up an say – sorry dude, that was a bit rough?

    the fact that Dime has to try and be the sensible one says a lot about you two :D

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  202. muggins (3,787 comments) says:

    Just popped in for a look and what do I find?
    An argument about religion , again.
    There is no god , never was a god, and never will be a god.
    muggins , kiwiblog ,1.33pm April 23 2014

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  203. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I dont spend days attacking you because you don’t behave like a hypocrite constently

    and perfect to whom

    good bad evil and all the rest of the moralistic crap are relative to your standpoints as would be perfection.

    A human being should be able to change a diaper, (snip) butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects!

    I have done all the above and will do so again :lol:

    That just makes me more human not perfect.

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  204. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (2,038 comments) says:
    April 23rd, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    “Come around home.. my mongrels have canine teeth.”

    That wouldn’t worry me in the slightest Griff. As I keep saying, you have no clue who your dealing with.

    Grow up, apologise, and move on.

    Keep digging, and things will go badly for you, legally speaking.

    ShawnLH (2,038 comments) says:
    April 23rd, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    “why don’t the so called christians like spawn and kow tow live the to the god words they try to inflict on us ?”

    Nobody is inflicting anything on you “Griff”, and I do try, imperfectly, to live according to Christ’s commandments. That is why I am leaving this in David’s hands, as opposed to taking other measures.

    Grow up “Griff”, and post under your own name, if you have the guts.
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    \

    :lol:

    two post in half an hour with contradictory bullshit :lol:

    you are such a twat it hurts with the laughter :lol:

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  205. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    But I am a hypocrite. And, (not to have a go at anyone) if everyone were to measure themselves against what they call “good”, if they were really honest, they would fall short of that ideal.

    actually, dropping that “perfect like you” line is a pretty good example of my hypocrisy.

    A human being should be able to change a diaper, (snip) butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects!

    I have done all the above and will do so again

    I thought you didn’t go in for the supernatural…..

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  206. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Religion,is that all you guys have,please tell me you have lives.

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  207. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    griffith
    You should credit your Heinlein quotes.

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  208. hj (7,026 comments) says:

    More than 94 per cent of Chinese permanent residents and more than half of those with NZ citizenship told University of Auckland researchers that they felt a greater sense of belonging and identified more with their country of origin than New Zealand.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/multiculturalism/news/article.cfm?c_id=58&objectid=10783815

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  209. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Why stop at hinting?

    Proving connections between historical religious texts and extreme conspiracy theory leads to the end of Christianity. In a nutshell the reason for Icke’s evidence is an ancient curse described in the Christian canon, with the reptilians getting a small mention in the apocrypha. The canon and the book of Jasher, and the Clementine writings also describe people who can change appearance at will.

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  210. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “A proposal for a pro-life movie is breaking records for crowdfunding, despite one popular website’s refusal to continue hosting its fundraising campaign.

    The campaign for Gosnell, a documentary about the Philadelphia abortionist convicted last year of murder, has raised more than $1.1 million to date, becoming the largest non-celebrity film on any crowdfunding site, according to The Heritage Foundation. The campaign, hosted on Indigogo, has reached 55 percent of its $2.1 million threshold since it launched on March 28, putting it in a good place to meet its May 12 deadline.

    Some celebrities have also picked up the cause, including actor Kevin Sorbo from God’s Not Dead, and actor Nick Searcy, from the hit television series Justified.”

    http://www.worldmag.com/2014/04/pro_life_movie_gets_kicked_off_popular_crowdfunding_site

    Movie on Notorious Abortionist Kermit Gosnell Sets Funding Record. The “Gosnell” movie hit a new milestone Saturday. The crowdfunding campaign topped $1 million, which makes it the largest non-celebrity film on any crowdfunding website, according to the movie’s producers.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2014/04/18/gosnell-movie/

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  211. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Seriously? The Bible mentions people who can change their appearance and you leap from that to alien reptilian shape shifters?

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  212. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Proving connections between historical religious texts and extreme conspiracy theory leads to the end of Christianity.”

    Not really.

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  213. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Shawn
    Maybe it will be as good as other crowd funded movies, like ‘Atlas Shrugged’ (yawn).

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  214. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The Bible mentions people who can change their appearance and you leap from that to alien reptilian shape shifters?

    You left out the following: the curse, reptilians in the apocrypha, and of course the evidence Icke cites in support of his theory.

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  215. Sofia (858 comments) says:

    One thing that is admirable about Penny is that she drops krap in kiwiblog and then usually pisses off to shit in some other nest.

    Thank God she doesn’t seem religious and hang around to endlessly argue so-called religion or what tries to pass here for Christianity, but is apparently devoid of any aspiration that would reflect even the simplest understanding of the life of Christ

    Meant in a beneficent well-intentioned sort of way :-)

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  216. stephieboy (3,109 comments) says:

    Now why anybody in their right minds would try and bother suing a crazy like Icke.?

    List of people thought by icke to be Reptilian overlords.It includes the Queen and her late mother.

    Sheesh.!

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke

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  217. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Sorry mike I usually do

    it’s a classic that most would know who to attribute too.

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  218. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    gallantly

    adjective
    1.
    brave, spirited, noble-minded, or chivalrous: a gallant knight; a gallant rescue attempt.
    2.
    exceptionally polite and attentive to women; courtly.
    3.
    stately; grand: a gallant pageant.
    4.
    showy, colorful, or stylish, as in dress; magnificent.
    5.
    amorous; amatory.

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  219. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly
    I left out Icke’s evidence because he hasn’t got any.

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  220. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Mikey
    It’s easy to recognise when Griff quotes someone else and without attribution- which he does often btw. The comments sometimes make sense.

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  221. johnwellingtonwells (137 comments) says:

    National MP rejuvination on a roll. New national candidate for Hunua

    http://downloads.thepostnewspaper.co.nz/this_weeks_post.pdf

    Andrew is comfortable in the outdoors and the boardroom. He dragged a sled 112 km to the South Pole in the summer of 2012/13 and is a keen mountaineer, having conquered many mountain peaks including Mt Cook.

    Can’t find anything of this calibre of acheivement in Silent T’s CV

    Mine host will be looking at the South Pole for his next trip

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  222. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    I would love to see this “evidence” that Icke is supposed to have.

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  223. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Maybe it will be as good as other crowd funded movies, like ‘Atlas Shrugged’ (yawn).”

    That one was about an atheist mike. No wonder it bombed. ;)

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  224. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I left out Icke’s evidence because he hasn’t got any.

    You’ve read his work, then?

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  225. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m familiar with Icke’s stuff. Familiar enough to know that it’s a pile of bullshit authored by an individual with a very tenuous grasp on reality.
    Tell me, if the royal family are all shape shifters, how does baby Prince George know not to change shape in public?

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  226. stephieboy (3,109 comments) says:

    Ugly,

    “You left out the following: the curse, reptilians in the apocrypha, and of course the evidence Icke cites in support of his theory.”

    Can you site the particular verses.?

    You are aware that Icke is rather unwell.?

    Like Queen Elizabeth II and her late mother both Reptilian overlords.?

    Yes.?

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  227. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    All in red

    Often I get these little pop ups from my wingnut victims as they gather courage sufficient enough to go boo and then run away. :lol:

    I note you havent posted no warming for 18 or 22 years or whatever your made up number was on the day

    when you did I asked you repeatedly to prove your statement and guess what?

    you wouldn’t and couldn’t because it’s a pathetic lie.

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  228. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Tell me, if the royal family are all shape shifters, how does baby Prince George know not to change shape in public?”

    Ray beams shot from the Mothership directly into his wee head. Sheesh mike, try to keep up! ;)

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  229. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    Griff,
    I should have shortened it up, but I’m generally against snipping up quotes – tend to lose the context.

    fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! I have done all the above and will do so again

    Bit hard to die gallantly twice… innit?

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  230. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Bit hard to do anything gallantly when he has to hide behind a pseudonym.

    Real men post under their own names. ;)

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  231. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Real men post under their own names.” – maybe real men with shit jobs ;)

    Dime doesnt need to alienate 30-40% of his client base with his political views.. they also dont need to know about my battle with CHA – chronic hooker addiction!

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  232. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    …”Real men post under their own names”…..

    After years of crap from “Lee01″ & “ShawnLH”?

    Whatever the hormones cost you they were worth it. :)

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  233. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Griff, it’s pointless discussing things with you. So I don’t. Just like many others here. Your own words show how angry you are. Personally I think you have some mental health issues so feel it’s easier to stay away. That and I don’t think you really understand a lot of what you cut and paste anyway.
    But think of that as a victory if you like. It matters nothing to me.

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  234. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I see I was channeling bejesus for a moment

    I did place a qualifier on the dyeing bit but it got deleted as I edited my absolutely hopeless grammar punctuation and spelling.

    I learnt to speed read way to young at around six and have never unlearned the habit. I do not actually read words like it, the, your, you, etc I read Text by the line not the word. Often you will see such words randomly placed in my posts because I do not notice them when editing. :lol:

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  235. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    Personally I think you have some mental health issues..

    Isn’t the Pope a Catholic? Who said excessive consumption of pot does not affect the brain?

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  236. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Can you site the particular verses.?

    Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
    John 20:15

    But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
    Luke 24:16

    The curse:

    And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters…
    Deu 28:53

    Reptilians in the apocrypha:

    In their ExopoliticsTV interviews Laura Eisenhower and Robert Stanley discuss Ancient Gnostic texts from Egypt, “called the Nag Hammadi, describing two types of demonic alien beings that invaded earth long ago which they call the Archons. The first type of Archon looks like a reptile. The other type looks like a human embryo…
    http://deusnexus.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/archons-hidden-controllers/

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  237. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Crikey, this is competing with the domination of GD by 9/11 truthers for a low point. I see DPF has demerited griff, can we all move on now? Surely we need to discuss the nuclear bombs at the WTC….

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  238. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    ^^
    So that’s where Ridley Scott got the idea for Aliens/Prometheus :)

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  239. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Dear oh dear Ugly. Firstly, the Bible is a work of fiction and so cannot be used to support any real-world argument. Secondly, those texts do not in any event provide any indication of alien reptilian shape shifters.

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  240. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    All in red its the same old same old from you isnt it

    We have had your posting griff doesn’t understand interspersed with you also posting absolute rubbish gleaned off wingnut blogs that you refused to link to or attribute as the source of your wingnuttery .

    Griff knows more than you about climate change by orders of magnitude. You don’t even now that a cooling stratosphere is part of AGWs basic physics. You insist on quoting the no warming meme yet would not provide the source of this information You refused to actually examine the satellite temperature record proxy series honestly Yet attempted to use only a small part of it to prove your lie.

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  241. dirty harry (489 comments) says:

    “Be thankful that at this point I’m leaving it in DPF’s hands.”

    Pussy.

    Kitchen…heat…cant stand…you know..

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  242. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Lee01″ & “ShawnLH”?

    My second and first names there “naaska”

    Man up and do the same. ;)

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  243. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Pussy.

    Kitchen…heat…cant stand…you know..”

    Don’t be a child dh. Accusations of that nature are serious.

    Anyway, I see DPF has dealt with it, so I’m all good.

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  244. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    mikenmild (8,876 comments) says:
    April 23rd, 2014 at 2:44 pm
    Dear oh dear Ugly. Firstly, the Bible is a work of fiction and so cannot be used to support any real-world argument.

    Others disagree:

    http://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-Reliable-Paul-Barnett/dp/0830827684
    http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-History-Studies-Biblical-Theology/dp/0830826033
    http://www.amazon.com/Historical-Reliability-Gospels-Craig-Blomberg/dp/0830828079
    http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Testament-Documents-Reliable/dp/0802822193

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  245. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Firstly, the Bible is a work of fiction …

    Are you arguing from faith, mikenmild, or were you there at the time?

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  246. stephieboy (3,109 comments) says:

    Ugly, Ypu believe this alleged Apocrypha clap trap obviously coming from ,it seem,s a very trustworthy and reputable source like

    Nexus.?

    On this basis you accept Icke’s crazy theory that Queen Elizabeth II and her late mother are Reptilian Overlords.?

    If so , do see your Doctor for a Psychiatric referral as soon as possible.

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  247. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Firstly, the Bible is a work of fiction and so cannot be used to support any real-world argument.”

    Bad argument there mikey. Begging the question and claiming knowledge you cannot prove you have.

    Anyway, a better argument is that Ugly rejects large portions of the New Testament, so on what basis can he consider other parts authoritative? He’s cherry picking.

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  248. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    Peter George is flooding The sub-Standard with comments and messages, driving the comrades mad, and dishing it out left, right, and centre.

    For once I can say, good on you, P.G.

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  249. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    My main argument was that the texts he quoted come nowhere near to being evidence for shape shifting reptilian aliens, but ha hasn’t addressed that point.

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  250. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    My main argument was that the texts he quoted come nowhere near to being evidence for shape shifting reptilian aliens, but ha(sic) hasn’t addressed that point.

    fair enough, but that’s not the argument you made…

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  251. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Well said Manolo. I don’t always agree with PG but he certainly puts himself out there, and gets a lot of unfair abuse. I imagine he’s being polite and reasonable (as always) and getting spite and vitriol in return. Keep up the good work.

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  252. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “My main argument was that the texts he quoted come nowhere near to being evidence for shape shifting reptilian aliens,”

    Oh hell no, not even close. It’s a remarkably silly way to use Scripture. Makes snake handlers look like theologians with master’s degrees.

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  253. dirty harry (489 comments) says:

    “Anyway, I see DPF has dealt with it, so I’m all good.”

    You come on here ranting and raving , shootin from the hip , stickin it up the man.. then when someone says something that upsets you, you go running to the boss.

    Says it all about you son.

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  254. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    No shawn you are

    1 Massive hypocrite. turn the other cheek is a central column of christ teachings which you ignore

    2 Full of shit. repeatedly threatening to sue me on here when the chance of it going anywhere are 0

    3 Nancy bully who needs a mummy to stick up for him when his victims thump him back.

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  255. cha (4,032 comments) says:

    The woo is strong in today’s GD as the masters of deception use the Windsor ruse to fool the mob and divert from the real threat.

    //

    http://www.interpretermag.com/karen-hudes-rts-whistleblower-who-believes-world-bank-controlled-by-second-species/

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  256. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    dirty harry,

    I have in fact taken a huge amount of personal abuse on the chin, SON, and just rolled with it.

    But my wife is an Anglican minister, and accusations of child abuse are extremely serious, well and truly beyond reasonable. No person with a shred of decency would ever make them. To claim I should just allow that is, to put it bluntly, bloody stupid.

    If you think that anyone should put up with that kind of accusation, then that says way more about you, SON.

    The issue is done and dealt with. Get a grip dh and move on.

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  257. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    “Anyway, I see DPF has dealt with it, so I’m all good.”

    I don’t think he has. That ban was awhile ago when Griffith was posting as Griff. Usually second transgressions get treated more harshly.

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  258. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Well, that’s up to David AoR. I’m happy. Griff won’t make that particular accusation any time soon.

    Anyway, lets get back to reptilian shape shifters. That’s way more entertaining.

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  259. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Dime just had a quick look at the standard lmao

    apparently they think PG is right wing lol

    but my favourite bit is some dude who goes by the name “freedom”. the only issue is freedom is a communist. “freedom” wants to tax turnover instead of profit etc my god

    Also – this shane jones thing is great for labour, its just the media who make it bad with their “right wing” attack lines. no wonder these delusional fucks are just so unappealing to the majority of the country

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  260. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Gotta give Pete credit. It really is balsy to go on the standard and make his case. Good on him.

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  261. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Also – this shane jones thing is great for labour, its just the media who make it bad with their “right wing” attack lines.”

    Sheesh, drinking waaay too much lefty koolaid over there! :)

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  262. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    To be fair, there’s plenty of “left wing media” mentioned in these parts.

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  263. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “To be fair, there’s plenty of “left wing media” mentioned in these parts.”

    To be fair, can you name me 20 “right wing” reporters? Bet we can come up with 20 left wing hacks pretty quickly.

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  264. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    So, 2 assholes in their early 20’s assualt Justin Marshall, JM asks the judge for name suppression and she says no? wtf?

    “Ms Hutchins declined an application from Marshall for name suppression.”

    He’s the victim

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  265. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It’s probably going to be the case that some reporters are seen as left wing by right wingers and right wingers by left wingers. In general though, NZ media toes a pretty conservative line.

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  266. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    All in red sooky sooky little twerp aren’t you

    first ban, at 100 points 1 week, 2nd two weeks, third four weeks, then two months etc etc etc

    nine thousand comments full of abuse for wingnuts like you and 150 demerit points…..

    :lol:

    Good trade if you ask me

    when ya gonna sue big girls blouse?

    Soo smooth hiding behind the skirt there girly.

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  267. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “It’s probably going to be the case that some reporters are seen as left wing by right wingers and right wingers by left wingers.”

    yeah i guess youre right. and only half of the tvnz news team has gone on to stand for labour in elections.. ffs

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  268. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That would be Kris Faafoi, I suppose. Who else?

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  269. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “In general though, NZ media toes a pretty conservative line.”

    Hmmm, not so sure about that mike, depends on what “conservative” means.

    I don’t think the media is overly Left or Right, I think their more interested in ratings than ideology, and whatever they think gets the ratings up. If it bleeds it leads so to speak.

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  270. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    “I don’t think the media is overly Left or Right, I think their more interested in ratings than ideology, and whatever they think gets the ratings up. If it bleeds it leads so to speak.”

    And in some cases, more interested in making it about them, rather than the story. Gower, Gardner, Henry, Holmes, Hosking etc.

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  271. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Mike and Shawn,

    Thanks!

    @Reid at 11:28am,

    You think I’m locked inside the Matrix, huh? Well, there’s a bit of irony in using the Matrix as an analogy, given that it is based upon the first major Christian heresy (Gnosticism), but anyway, what makes you think I’m locked in the Matrix? What if I’m one of the people can that go in and out of it at will?

    I’ve made no secret of my past, though, I suppose I haven’t gone into it and everything I explored in great detail, because it’s just not that interesting, and I don’t tend to retain things anymore that aren’t interesting or necessary or true. I believe in following the truth to where ever it leads, and doing that led me to God a number of years back. Probably no one was as surprised as I was when that happened.

    I had a look at that site, and quite frankly it made me feel ill. The type of ill that I was getting when I was still looking around, thinking I’d found something interesting and true, and then realising that it was just wrong. Wrong in a bad, corrupting, leading to no good place, way. That was in part, how I’d determine whether or not a site was worth looking into or not, years back.

    I read one of the articles that you linked to (this one) and it reminds me very much of some of the anti-Catholic tracts that I’ve read given to me by hard core fundamentalist types who don’t believe Catholics are Christians and they have their stuff written from a century or so ago to prove it.

    It’s tedious reading as the guy can’t seem to make himself get to the point and repeats himself constantly. I wonder if that style is a way of scaring off all but the true believers, because unless a person is determined to get through it, it’s hard going. All that, “my dear Dr. Goldstein” phrases scattered throughout it (sometimes twice in the same paragraph) is just so patronising. I couldn’t resist and counted 30 of them, all but one completely unnecessary.

    There’s a couple of bombshells in there, namely that Our Lord was not Jewish (????), and as proof a rare English copy of the Talmud is quoted which the author amazingly enough happens to have a copy of. His whole premise seems to be that there is no way Jesus would have quoted from the Talmud (I agree as it’s only 20 centuries old), therefore Jesus is not a Jew. Riiiight. There’s some other stuff about Latin words, but I think that’s just a distraction as well, kind of like what magicians do before they throw the object that is supposed to vanish over your head and you don’t see it because you’re concentrating on everything but what’s in front of you.

    I haven’t read to the end as the above is just so … I don’t know … trying to be charitable here, but not sure I have it in me for this one (sorry Mike!). Just so .. stupid, that I don’t think it’s worth my time to read to the end.

    That’s another thing I’ve learned over the years – when reading lots and lots of material, if I come across anything that’s just off the planet (such as all Jews or reptilian shapeshifters are to blame for all our problems, or the Pope is the anti-Christ and a demon worshipper), then I stop reading, because no good can come of it.

    I am actually interested why you believe this stuff, though Reid. If Jesus wasn’t a Jew, then what was he?

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  272. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    Faafoi
    Taurima
    Mold….

    Not all going for seats but definitely one→Labour

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  273. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Griff
    To quote the great Jimmy Carr ” if you want my comeback you can scrape it off your mums teeth!”
    Hahaha

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  274. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “nine thousand comments full of abuse”

    Why would anyone be proud if this?

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  275. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:

    it’s who I abuse that counts .

    like all in red’s coming on my mum teeth.

    It would be an impossibly sick feat even for him as her remains are scattered

    Here
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=caerphilly+mountain+walk&client=firefox-a&hs=2Uq&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Y0FXU4nnMMPo8AW6qYKQAQ&ved=0CDQQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=646

    better hurry up sicko or the sheepies will eat her dust so it will not be the ground ya will be blowing ya wad in.

    Lets take all in reds comment in context.

    The wingnut is upset at my abuse so he attempts to insult my lovlery twenty year dead mother :lol:

    what a dweb

    I dont care

    Griff is not a retarded gangsta and saying yo mumma at him shows only all in wingnuts cultural stupidity.

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  276. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    “wiki – do you think we should have a half decent air force? ”

    Absolutely we should. Helen Clark got the wind up herself when she saw how effective our planes were under radar letting them strike US ships in friendly war games. They would have kept us free forever.

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  277. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Here’s Jimmy dealing with hecklers.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PzLlLM7Rgm8

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  278. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Anyway, a better argument is that Ugly rejects large portions of the New Testament, so on what basis can he consider other parts authoritative? He’s cherry picking.

    Cherry picking is where you reject evidence simply because it doesn’t support your position.
    What I’m doing is rejecting anything as authoritative anything written by a self confessed liar and Pharisee.

    Shawn, to avoid being guilty of hypocrisy regarding your false allegation of cherry picking, you need to be able to explain the following:

    “God is infinitely changeable, and can assume all forms at will. The Son proceeds from the most perfect of these modifications of the Divine nature and is conceptional with that modification, but not with the Divine nature itself. The Son is not God, therefore, in the full sense, nor has He all the power of God. He cannot change Himself, though He can be changed at will by God.”

    The Clementine writings

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  279. muggins (3,787 comments) says:

    I see Shawn’s wife is an Anglican Minister.
    I wondered why he had such a bee in his bonnet about religion. Now I know.

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  280. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    ….”I wondered why he had such a bee in his bonnet about religion.”….

    At least we know he’s not gay…..just crawling for a root. :)

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  281. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “written by a self confessed liar”

    Would you like to show us where he confesses to lying?

    “Shawn, to avoid being guilty of hypocrisy regarding your false allegation of cherry picking”

    1. You assume I take any of your accusations against me seriously. 2. You are cherry picking the Bible.

    “you need to be able to explain the following:”

    Why? The Clementine writings are not part of Scripture, and are contrary to the Nicene Creed. There is nothing there to bother explaining.

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  282. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “I wondered why he had such a bee in his bonnet about religion. Now I know.”

    I was a Christian before I met my wife.

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  283. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Descending to Griffs level naaska?

    Sad and pathetic.

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  284. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……………………..

    Wake me up when you grow up Griff.

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  285. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    The Illusion of Moral Neutrality.

    “Nietzsche claimed that if men took God seriously, they would still be burning heretics at the stake. In the same spirit, one supposes, are the notions that if men really cherished moral truth, they would suppress all beliefs that they considered wrong, and that if men still cared about the sanctity of the marriage bed, they would go back to making adulterers wear the scarlet A.

    Today two different groups of people agree with conditional statements of this sort. In the first group are the ordinary bigots, who are always among us. The second are a kind of modern backlash—call it the reaction—found principally among the “cultural elite.” For instance, whereas the bigots respond to Nietzsche’s conditional by saying, “Yes, that’s why we should burn heretics,” the reactionaries respond to it by saying, “No, that’s why we should suppress the public expression of belief in God.”

    These reactionaries claim to love tolerance, but, misunderstanding it, they strangle it in their embrace. Their creed is that intolerance is born at the same moment as public moral commitments; that morality must therefore be a “private” affair; that in order to say that tolerance is a good, we must forbear to say aloud that anything else is good or evil. Their god is Neutrality. In certain intellectual regions he travels under other names such as Autonomy and Rights.

    We meet this jealous and negating god on the philosophic right, where conservatives like Michael Oakeshott tell us that the specific and limited activity of “governing” has “nothing to do” with natural law or morals. We encounter him on the philosophic left, where liberals like John Rawls and Marxists like Jurgen Habermas invent devices like the Veil of Ignorance and the Ideal Speech Situation to convince us that if we wish to understand truly the principles of justice, we must pretend to forget not only who we are, but also everything we ever thought we knew about good and evil. We meet this god in law, where many jurists treat ethical distinctions such as “family” vs. “non-family” as “invidious classifications” that deny citizens the equal protection of the law. We meet him in education, where elementary school children are offered books like Daddy’s Roommate, Heather Has Two Mommies, and Gloria Goes to Gay Pride. In fact, we meet this god everywhere: in the university, in the movie theatre, in many churches and synagogues, and, it goes without saying, on the even more ubiquitous altar of the television.

    It might seem remarkable that people who insist that tolerance means moral neutrality should themselves be so earnest in ridiculing those who aren’t neutral. But of course, they themselves aren’t neutral either. The scandal of Neutrality is that its worshipers cannot answer the question “Why be neutral?” without committing themselves to particular goods”social peace, self-expression, self-esteem, ethnic pride, or what have you”thereby violating their own desideratum of Neutrality. Yet even this is merely a symptom of a deeper problem, namely, there is no such thing as Neutrality. It isn’t merely unachievable, like a perfect circle; it is unthinkable and unapproachable, like a square circle. Whether we deem it better to take a stand or be silent, we’ve offended this god in the very act of deeming.”

    http://www.firstthings.com/article/2008/09/003-the-illusion-of-moral-neutrality

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  286. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    ‘Heaven Is for Real’ a Box Office Hit; Beats Johnny Depp Sci-Fi Blockbuster

    “The faith-based film “Heaven Is for Real” recorded a highly impressive box-office debut over Easter weekend, taking in $21.5 million domestically and besting Johnny Depp’s sci-fi blockbuster “Transcendence,” which only earned $11.5 million.

    “The film definitely played not only to a faith-based audience but to a mainstream audience as well,” said Rory Bruer, president of worldwide distribution at Sony Pictures Entertainment, following the impressive debut, according to Deadline.com. “The title itself provokes dialogue no matter what you believe. It’s based on a book and the true story of this family, so it makes it all that more compelling.”

    The Randall Wallace movie, based on the bestselling 2010 book Heaven Is for Real: A Little Boy’s Astounding Story of His Trip to Heaven and Back, has earned an estimated $28,500,000 from 2,417 theaters nationwide in the first five days of its release, more than doubling its modest production budget of $12 million.”

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/heaven-is-for-real-a-box-office-hit-beats-johnny-depp-sci-fi-blockbuster-118312/

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  287. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Great i can continue to enjoy my Steak, oh and venison (for tea tonight).

    A new study published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, which found no link between saturated fats and heart disease.

    While this in no way endorses an unbalanced diet, it is perhaps a start on centring the pendulum.

    “It is significant that the British Heart Foundation helped to fund a study which questions current dietary advice that polyunsaturated fats are good and saturated fats are inherently bad,” says Jeanette Maxwell, Federated Farmers Meat & Fibre chairperson.

    “An international team led by the University of Cambridge’s Dr. Rajiv Chowdhury has collated and re-analysed data from 72 separate studies involving over 600,000 participants.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/69582/jeanette-maxwell-welcomes-new-study-foods-saturated-fats-red-meat-and-dairy-which-c

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  288. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Would you like to show us where he confesses to lying?

    For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
    Romans 3:7

    1. You assume I take any of your accusations against me seriously. 2. You are cherry picking the Bible.

    Facts are facts, you made the false accusation, if you can’t live up to the standards of your own accusation then you are hypocrite.

    Why? The Clementine writings are not part of Scripture, and are contrary to the Nicene Creed. There is nothing there to bother explaining.

    Scripture existed before the Nicene Creed came into existence. Rejecting the Clementine writings simply because they don’t fit into you worldview is cherry picking.

    According to Paul, before the Nicene Creed:
    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    2Ti 3:16

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  289. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Daily you prove that christians have less morels than the rest of us. Supporting the growing view that most Christians willfully ignore the words attributed to their own god.

    Keep up the good work fawn You are part of a rapidly shrinking minority for very much the reasons you demonstrate so effectively on here.. hypocrisy double standards and a yearning for control of others lifestyles.

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  290. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Paul is making a hypothetical argument about someone else justifying lying. He is not confessing to lying himself. This is made clear by reading the previous and following passages.

    “Scripture existed before the Nicene Creed came into existence. Rejecting the Clementine writing simply because they don’t fit into you worldview is cherry picking.

    No, they have no authority in the Christian canon, thus I’m not cherry picking at all. The only Scriptures that have authority are those inspired by God, which the Clemenitine writings are not.

    The Nicene Creed is a statement of Biblical teaching.

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  291. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Daily you prove that christians have less morels than the rest of us.”

    Oh I think you have shown your total lack of moral decency on this blog today Griff. No true moral person behaves in the manner you conduct yourself here.

    And as China demonstrates, Christians will soon be a global majority.

    Keep talking Griff. You do more damage to the atheist cause on your own than I ever could. :)

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  292. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    How do you tell which bits of scripture are ‘inspired by god’ and which are not?

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  293. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    “The only Scriptures that have authority are those inspired by God, which the Clemenitine writings are not.”

    How you do tell the difference?

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  294. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “How do you tell which bits of scripture are ‘inspired by god’ and which are not?”

    All of Scripture is inspired by God. The Clementine writings are not Scripture to begin with, and don’t claim to be.

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  295. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Paul is making a hypothetical argument about someone else justifying lying.

    No, he isn’t, the phrase is “my lie”, and he refers to his own judgement, not that of some hypothetical party.

    “For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?”

    The next verse compares doing evil to lying, and refers to an accusation that is made against his group:

    “And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.”

    This “slanderous report” has no place in any hypothetical example.

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  296. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Ugly,

    The Clementine Writings were most likely written by an Arian (ie someone who did not believe Jesus is God). Shawn is correct, they are not scriptural. Interestingly enough, this link from the Catholic Encyclopedia mentions that the writings were used by a sect called the Ebonites who rejected St Paul as an apostate. That matches previous conversions you and I had a while back on what you appear to believe.

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  297. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    All of Scripture is inspired by God. The Clementine writings are not Scripture to begin with, and don’t claim to be.

    You didn’t answer mikenmild’s question. You’re cherry picking what is and isn’t scripture.

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  298. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    The formation of the NT Canon.

    http://tektonics.org/lp/ntcanon.php

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  299. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The Clementine Writings were most likely written by an Arian (ie someone who did not believe Jesus is God).

    So? Where is it defined that scripture is only a set of texts that hold to a particular religious doctrine?

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  300. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “No, he isn’t, the phrase is “my lie”, and he refers to his own judgement, not that of some hypothetical party.”

    Wrong. Again. It’s a hypothetical, as in “IF I do such and such, then would I be justified.”

    This is, if read in context of the surrounding passages, totally obvious.

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  301. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    Mike,

    We don’t determine what is and isn’t Scripture – the Church does. It was already decided 1600 years ago, give or take a few years.

    That’s the much shorter answer.

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  302. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “You didn’t answer mikenmild’s question.”

    Yes I did. Very clearly.

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  303. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    You think I’m locked inside the Matrix, huh? …what makes you think I’m locked in the Matrix? What if I’m one of the people can that go in and out of it at will?

    By the fact you’re not willing to calmly read uncomfortable possibilities which conflict with your current worldview without getting emotional. This subject area explores amongst other things the most uncomfortable area of all for you: that of the corruption of the Catholic Church. I didn’t give this link today but I did a few days ago and of course, none of the critics bothered to read it, based on the fact no-one referred to it after I gave it. You can read the first 100 or so pages free, it’s on kindle for $14 USD. But the difference between you and I is that while I’m an Anglican cousin of the Catholics, I have absolutely no problem whatsoever reading this without feeling the slightest threat to my belief structures. Whereas I guarantee you would, and react accordingly. That’s why you’re in the matrix.

    I had a look at that site, and quite frankly it made me feel ill. The type of ill that I was getting when I was still looking around, thinking I’d found something interesting and true, and then realising that it was just wrong. Wrong in a bad, corrupting, leading to no good place, way. That was in part, how I’d determine whether or not a site was worth looking into or not, years back.

    Again this is your emotion, showing you’re in the matrix. Why does information make you feel anything? It’s information, nothing more, nothing less. Get over it.

    I read one of the articles that you linked to (this one) and it reminds me very much of some of the anti-Catholic tracts that I’ve read given to me by hard core fundamentalist types who don’t believe Catholics are Christians and they have their stuff written from a century or so ago to prove it.

    Freedman wasn’t saying Catholics weren’t Christians and the fact you interpreted that is because you’re reading it through an emotional not a logical lens. He was in fact responding to the writer of this letter.

    It’s tedious reading as the guy can’t seem to make himself get to the point and repeats himself constantly. I wonder if that style is a way of scaring off all but the true believers, because unless a person is determined to get through it, it’s hard going. All that, “my dear Dr. Goldstein” phrases scattered throughout it (sometimes twice in the same paragraph) is just so patronising. I couldn’t resist and counted 30 of them, all but one completely unnecessary.

    I agree it’s extremely turgid but so what? Also, “my dear…” was the style back in the 1950’s and again, so what?

    There’s a couple of bombshells in there, namely that Our Lord was not Jewish (????), and as proof a rare English copy of the Talmud is quoted which the author amazingly enough happens to have a copy of. His whole premise seems to be that there is no way Jesus would have quoted from the Talmud (I agree as it’s only 20 centuries old), therefore Jesus is not a Jew. Riiiight. There’s some other stuff about Latin words, but I think that’s just a distraction as well, kind of like what magicians do before they throw the object that is supposed to vanish over your head and you don’t see it because you’re concentrating on everything but what’s in front of you.

    Yes I don’t agree with that part of it either. I can’t work out what his logic is in alleging that since it’s clear from Scripture Jesus is descended from Abraham. The reason he alleges that so very turgidly is because he is responding to that letter I gave above, but just because he’s wrong on that does not mean he’s wrong on the other stuff in that letter, although critics in the matrix will no doubt bray that this is the case.

    I haven’t read to the end as the above is just so … I don’t know … trying to be charitable here, but not sure I have it in me for this one (sorry Mike!). Just so .. stupid, that I don’t think it’s worth my time to read to the end.

    Which is a pity because you probably didn’t get to the relevant bits which were the Talmudic Pharisaism, the Kol Nidre and the Iustinus Bonaventura Pranaitis. He’s wrong on a few bits there too. For example he says the Talmud is read by the rank and file Jews but it’s not, it’s a Rabbi-only publication.

    That’s another thing I’ve learned over the years – when reading lots and lots of material, if I come across anything that’s just off the planet (such as all Jews or reptilian shapeshifters are to blame for all our problems, or the Pope is the anti-Christ and a demon worshipper), then I stop reading, because no good can come of it.

    Again, this is why you’re in the matrix and I’m not. The matrix trains you without you even knowing you’ve been trained, to emotionally react to stimuli they don’t want you to look at or think about. This is why anti-semitism is such a powerful weapon and why they’ve worked so very assiduously to associate it with emotional triggers like the holocaust. Reptilian shapeshifters is an interesting one, it’s designed to be so very outrageous that even the mere thought of such beings is automatically rejected as preposterous by most people. But the heart of that information is the reptilian nature of Satan the serpent and the alien species called Drakos. Apparently they’re fourth-dimensional creatures. I don’t really know much about them, but the difference between people in the matrix and myself, is that I can calmly read such information without getting in the least bit emotional, and when you think about it, which one of us is being the more logical, with that approach? There are many things in our world we don’t understand. For example, I was reading this today on the nature of space-time. http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/04/21/unified-field-illusion-time-understanding-source-creation/ Who knows what the future will bring?

    The reason I buy quite a bit of this stuff which is bizarre and unreal to people in the matrix, is because it explains reality as we see it unfolding. And if you can see that, you can see what’s going to happen next, and that’s why I’m interested in. As we both know, one of Satan’s many names is the Deceiver. One of my Christian gifts is that of Deliverance. One of the fruits of that gift is discernment with respect to Satan’s machinations. Both of us as Christians know that Satan really in fact truly does exist, just like God and Jesus does. But many Christians appear to hallucinate that while Satan and his minions appeared to be very busy during Jesus time what with all the demonic possessions discussed in the NT, that somehow, he’s not around anymore and he’s just taking a break. I say hallucination because it is a hallucination. Who the heck do you think is behind the curtain of the matrix? And he always has been.

    You didn’t answer mikenmild’s question.

    He hasn’t answered my question about whether Churchill and the Rabbi of Jerusalem are both anti-semitic either UT. He doesn’t like hard questions.

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  304. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “So? Where is it defined that scripture is only a set of texts that hold to a particular religious doctrine?”

    CHRISTIAN (note that word) Scripture is a set of texts that hold to a particular religious doctrine.

    If you want to cherry pick parts of it, and add other parts, that’s your right. But it makes your reliance on Revelations for your bizarre conspiracy theories very silly, and yes, a form of cherry picking.

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  305. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    The Auckland Council plans to run a live webcast of 57 of its council meetings each year in a bid to increase transparency and raise awareness of the decision-making process.

    Here ya go transparent Penny. You and Whale will be over the moon.

    The council has called for expressions of interest from people who could provide services needed for a live webcast of meetings.

    In its information document, the council said it planned to provide a live webcast to make the political process more transparent, increase awareness of the decision-making process, reduce reliance on the media and recognise the increased size and impact of the council in New Zealand and the accompanying need to perform at a world-class level.

    The webcasts would initially cover meetings of the mayor and 20 councillors and meetings of four committees.

    The committees are the Auckland development committee, the finance and performance committee, the budget committee and the regional strategy and policy committee.

    The average duration of each meeting was four hours, the council said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/9970604/Auckland-Council-to-beam-live

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  306. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    Sorry but you Godfreaks are all wrong. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/c02qizrqsz4b1aw/TR9uQcN9ID

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  307. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “You didn’t answer mikenmild’s question.”

    Yes I did. Very clearly.

    No you didn’t. He asked: “How do you tell which bits of scripture are ‘inspired by god’ and which are not?” and what you did was to redefine “scripture” to fit your preconceptions, i.e. by arbitrarily rejecting the Clementine writings as being scripture.

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  308. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    It would be pleasant if you religious fruit cake nut cases would leave and run off to another forum.

    You are boring, tedious and rude.
    As far as anyone can tell you are never going to agree nor arrive at any logical nor sensible conclusion.
    Go buy yourselves a cheap blogger site for nothing and spend your days filling it out.
    GD is beyond readable any more.

    No doubt you are all on one of our generous taxpayer benefits because there ain’t no other way you could spend all day and the the night writing some many pages of unmitigated tripe.

    When are you leaving?

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  309. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    ” what you did was to redefine “scripture” to fit your preconceptions”

    No, I defined Scripture according to Christian principles. That’s not cherry picking, it’s being consistent with Christian principles.

    On the other hand what you do is just cherry pick wildly from any source, no matter how contradictory, to support your conspiracy theories.

    The only consistency on your part is forcing anything and everything to fit your delusions.

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  310. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    We don’t determine what is and isn’t Scripture – the Church does. It was already decided 1600 years ago, give or take a few years.

    So what scripture was Paul referring to, the scripture of the day, or the scripture defined by the church?

    The only logical answer is that he was referring to the scripture of the day, which means that if Paul was correct then the church has rejected valuable texts.

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  311. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Canadian middle class wealthier than in USA.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27117829

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  312. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    A couple of CCTV cameras in the mayoral chambers & the Ngati Whatua room would probably provide a higher standard of transparency V2. :)

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  313. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    We were lucky to lose Phil Ure, but have “gained” Ugly Truth. Which one of the two nutters is worse?!

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  314. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    No, I defined Scripture according to Christian principles.

    What principles were those, exactly?
    The principle of throwing out any texts that don’t agree with your religious doctrine?

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  315. UrbanNeocolonialist (288 comments) says:

    ShawnLH; 70 posts today alone!! Good to hear both sides of a story, but the monomania is tedious, and getting on everyone’s tits (as we can see from mostly neutral or negative ratings you receive). Religious debate between people that have positions based on faith is pointless.

    Perhaps there are other forums which would be better suited for the pursuit of your passions, which obviously few here share your enthusiasm for.

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  316. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “No doubt you are all on one of our generous taxpayer benefits”

    I’m self-employed thanks. I earn my way in the world.

    And what is or is not boring is subjective. If your unhappy, start another conversation that is to your liking.

    Or you can leave.

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  317. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    UrbanNC, I have posted on a wide variety of topics today. My one mistake was bothering to engage Ugly. Won’t do that again.

    I do understand the issue of providing space for other topics though. My insistence today was more about standing up to Griff’s sad attempts at bullying.

    That said I’m happy to back off the religious topics for a while.

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  318. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Hah! Ugly’s got Shawn pinned in an awkward corner here. Shawn would like to avoid admitting that the church picked which bits of scripture to make canonical but he can’t point to any moment of divine intervention that made the text just so.

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  319. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Canadian middle class wealthier than in USA.

    The middle-class is being destroyed in the US SPC. It’s very sad, they’re heading for the third-world at light speed and most of them don’t even know it.

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  320. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Shawn would like to avoid admitting that the church picked which bits of scripture to make canonical”

    Loaded phrasing Mike.

    Of course the church made decisions, based on a number of factors, as to which were inspired and which weren’t. But this was not a simple “pick and choose” process by any means.

    Look at the Canon link I posted. The issue of discerning divine inspiration was part of that process.

    Anyway, look at my last post to UrbanNC.

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  321. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    Key figure in US fraud avoids prison

    A former senior vice president at Bank of America who became a co-operating witness in the US government’s probe of bid-rigging in the US$3.7 trillion ($4.3 trillion) municipal bond market avoided prison time or other punishment at his sentencing on Tuesday.

    Douglas Campbell, who marketed investment agreements and other municipal finance contracts while working in the bank’s New York office, in 2010 pleaded guilty to three counts of conspiracy to restrain trade, conspiracy and wire fraud.

    At a hearing in Manhattan, US District Judge Kimba Wood issued a sentence that included no jail time, probation or monetary penalty. She said Campbell deserved leniency for co-operating with federal investigators for more than eight years.

    “He helped the government shape the case and led the government to other co-operators,” Wood said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/9970526/Key-figure-in-US-fraud-avoids-prison

    The big C word is all over this story. When you KiwiBloggers can wake up and smell the financial criminal white collar world you will really be worth reading

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  322. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    6:55 That said I’m happy to back off the religious topics for a while.

    7:02 Of course the church made decisions…

    Shawn the liar. Couldn’t even last 10 mins.

    BTW, when are you going to answer that question about Churchill and the Rabbi of Jerusalem, who believe the same things I do, yet when I say it you say I’m anti-semitic, and when they say it, and not just the Rabbi of Jerusalem but hundreds of other Rabbis who also say what I say, you refuse to answer.

    What sort of lying hypocrite are you?

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  323. stigie (1,201 comments) says:

    I do not know what religion is all about…can someone inspire me ?
    A lot of comments on here so must be good !

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  324. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    “The middle-class is being destroyed in the US SPC. It’s very sad, they’re heading for the third-world at light speed and most of them don’t even know it.”

    Kiwibloggers don’t even know it

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  325. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    “I do not know what religion is all about…can someone inspire me ?”

    Religion is man made, faith is God inspired.

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  326. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Religion is man made, faith is God inspired.

    That’s an extremely astute truth wiki, I’m very impressed.

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  327. stigie (1,201 comments) says:

    Thanks Wiki, you have been a great help to me. Now i can scroll through all this religious stuff each day because….

    Now i know it all !~

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  328. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    “Now i know it all !~”

    You know nothing until you know Christ

    for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ

    Romans 6.23

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  329. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Religion is a figment of ones imagination.

    Try thinking of sex and see which one wins. :lol:

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  330. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Jesus gave leadership of the proto church to Mary a woman
    This scripture was suppressed by the roman catholic church to the extent that only half a dozen known fragments remain

    same with the gospel of Thomas .

    Both of these Gospels are dated as early or earlier than any other known gospels.

    Any thing that did not meet the beliefs of Rome has been diligently suppressed and destroyed for century’s

    I will guarantee that the vatican has documents it will never allow the public to see because they prove the distortions brought about by the Rome centric churches pagan influenced belief systems. Rome circa 700ce was not looking at scripture from the jewish cultural background of jesus his time and his teachings..

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  331. stigie (1,201 comments) says:

    Sorry Wiki but would have to go with Viking on this one ole chap.

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  332. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    What wiki was saying stigie is that God will call you and open your eyes and in fact the Bible makes little sense until He does that. He’s in fact calling you all the time, but you need to be willing to open your heart and turn willingly to Him before you start hearing any of the things He has in fact been saying to you all your life. And of course you can’t pretend to do that, because He’s the one who made your heart and mind in the first place and He knows everything you’ve ever thought, said and done and everything you ever will.

    Religion is mankind’s imperfect and flawed replication and practice of the perfect Word of God and its of course naturally been infested by Satan over the centuries with subtle and not so subtle half-truths, untruths and outright falsities at every turn and discernment of the actual truth is therefore very difficult and requires discipline, practice and dedication.

    And wiki summed that up in a few words. That’s why I was impressed.

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  333. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    Reid

    Bollocks! :)

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  334. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Bollocks!

    Is that your view nasska or is that Satan’s?

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  335. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    My own unfettered, unbiased opinion Reid. :)

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  336. stigie (1,201 comments) says:

    I think they are trying to convert us Nasska….where is Johnboy when you need someone to talk some sense ?

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  337. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    They’ve probably kidnapped the poor bastard stigie. Doubtlessly his brain is on the rinse cycle as I type. :)

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  338. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Our Pasta
    Who “Arghh” in the colander
    Swallowed be thy sauce
    Thy serving come
    Thy food be yum
    On forks as they are on spoons
    Give us this day our daily sauce
    And forgive our mess
    As we forgive those who mess against us
    And lead us not into Hell
    But deliver us some pizza
    For thine is the noodles, the sauce and the meatballs
    Ramen

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  339. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    Viking2 at 7:23 pm

    Religion is a figment of ones imagination.
    Try thinking of sex and see which one wins.

    On no – they got all jumbled up together and now I’m probably damned for eternity.

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  340. stigie (1,201 comments) says:

    Fucking brilliant Mikie !~
    Whats Nasska got at 8.00pm ?

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  341. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    How long Labour Party?

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  342. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    A woman is very distressed because she has not been married very long, and
    yet her husband has lost interest in having sex. So, she goes to see her
    doctor, and relays the problem.
    The doctor doesn’t seem worried at all and tells her that this is nothing
    serious, that her husband has merely lost his animal instincts. The doctor
    tells her to crumble some dog biscuits on her husband’s cereal every morning
    without telling him, and little by little this will bring out the savage
    beast in him. He wishes her good luck and tells her to come back in a month
    with a progress report.
    A month later the woman returns to the doctor, who asks how her husband is.
    “He’s dead,” she replies.
    “Dead?” the doctor asked. “What happened?”
    The woman replied, “He was sitting in the driveway licking his balls, and I
    backed over him with the car.”

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  343. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    You can tell the left wing MSM has had 24 hours to get all the sound bites locked down about Jones defection. Every bloody news outlet is running the same angle and you get dick head Byrce Edwards even stooping to quoting No Right Turn in an opinion piece.

    God Helo me.

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  344. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    I’m here folks! What’s up? I was busy reading the history of great rugby victories by HOBM.

    It’s a whole three pages and two of them the introduction! :)

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  345. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “BTW, when are you going to answer that question about Churchill and the Rabbi of Jerusalem, who believe the same things I do, yet when I say it you say I’m anti-semitic, and when they say it, and not just the Rabbi of Jerusalem but hundreds of other Rabbis who also say what I say, you refuse to answer.”

    Because trying to talk sense to mindless, brainwashed Jew haters is about as useful as trying to talk to emotionally stunted psychopathic atheists.

    Total waste of time.

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  346. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    God Hel{p} me.

    praise be lord a conversion

    Send
    Ten dollars to the church of the sacred bleeding heart of Jesus

    c/o griff

    Located somewhere in the north
    And next week they’ll say a prayer on the radio
    And all your dreams would come true

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  347. stigie (1,201 comments) says:

    Hi Johnboy, cant get my head around all this religious stuff, dont fit in at all JB.
    I think i am a disgrace but as you can see would rather think and do normal things !~

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  348. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Fugley woman goes to her GP and asks him why she has never had a boyfriend.
    Doc is too polite to tell her it’s cause she’s hideous.
    Arranges an appointment at the great sex specialist Doctor Libido’s.

    Dr. Libido has a quick look at her and tells her to get undressed.
    Then he says “Get on your hands and knees and crawl away from me”.
    She complies. Then he says. “Crawl towards me”. She complies.

    “Aha” says Dr Libido. “I have diagnosed your problem”. “You have Zachery’s disease”!
    “Oh no, is it fatal”she asks. “Not fatal but incurable” answers Dr. Libido.
    “But what does it mean Doctor” the unfortunate woman asks.

    “It mean your face look exzachery like your arse” replies the good Doctor.

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  349. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Good spawn does that mean you will leave us alone now?

    By the way you are the psychopath. . I am an Aspie….. :lol: ….. so actually the exact opposite in outlook, motivation and reasoning according to modern head shrinking theory.

    Go figure how that works weirdo.

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  350. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    Blessed be the folk that do the normal things stigie.

    Say three Hail Tui’s and five Our Bourbons and go forth to sin again! :)

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  351. wat dabney (3,769 comments) says:

    Religion is man made, faith is God inspired.

    ‘That’s an extremely astute truth wiki, I’m very impressed.’

    Congratulations, you’ve just “proved” that the deities of all belief systems are equally real, since they have all inspired genuine faith.

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  352. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Even the fsm wat ?

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  353. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Because trying to talk sense to mindless, brainwashed Jew haters is about as useful as trying to talk to emotionally stunted psychopathic atheists.

    But is Churchill and hundred of Rabbis think precisely the same thing I do Shawn, then how can I be mindless, let alone a Jew-hater, as you so easily and repeatedly lie, until someone calls you a pedo, at which point after lying for weeks and weeks and weeks you immediately get all nancy and run off to mama, with some bullshit about it affecting your wife’s reputation.

    So being a nasty lying little psychopath is more akin to your own evidential behaviour Shawn. You can’t seem to take that, but you sure as heck prove it through your own words on here, every single day.

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  354. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Of course the church made decisions, based on a number of factors, as to which were inspired and which weren’t. But this was not a simple “pick and choose” process by any means.

    So Paul really didn’t know what he was talking about, Shawn?

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    2Ti 3:16

    Oops, just remembered you’re not talking to me anymore. Just a coincidence, right Shawn?

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  355. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    Wonder what it is like to be stoned all day and comment on this blog and others?
    Sadly I will never know, I pay the bills. Those who spend all day here have a problem that I pay for

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  356. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    Ever noticed Reid, how his personality can alter in the space of a few hours?

    There’s a technical name for the condition……

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  357. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    Ever noticed Reid, how his personality can alter in the space of a few hours?

    Not really but I’ll look for it in future. He seems to have some sort of volcanic rage inside him that makes him a great hater.

    I mean using:

    “emotionally stunted psychopathic atheists.”

    to describe people who don’t buy religion, is just mental and reflects none of the Christian compassion he professes. It really doesn’t.

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  358. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Dumb Dumb Media TV at its finest: 3rd Degree – eating fat can make you thin.

    Sensory overload of bollocks from these morons….

    (1) Here’s a woman who went from 118kg to 78kg by switching to high fat diet.

    SHE’S STILL FUCKING OVERWEIGHT FFS !! 78 fucking kilos – lardarse !! Of course a woman can eat anything at 78kg – it’s overweight / obese ya dipshit. Try doing it at something like 65-70kg and see how far you get.

    (2) Here’s a cricketer who went from 110kg to 95kg switching to a ‘paleo’ diet.

    95kg is not small – and 110kg for a bloody cricketer ? Helloooooooo ? Can you imagine Hadlee or Shane Bond at 110kg ? Far out !!

    I wasn’t even dieting at around 95-100kg range – I ate whatever I wanted until age 35 and near 100kg was the most I ever weighed. You don’t need any kind of magic diet to maintain that weight. Not difficult !!

    (3) Only in the second half of the story do they start the pissing contest with credentials between the featured academics. The dick Schofield is qualified in physiology and psychology. So – he’s talking out of his arse scientifically speaking.

    (4) Duncan Garner – who is a big fat blowhard fuck – was asked, right at the end, if he would still eat his bacon sarnies. His reply ? ‘Yes. I’m normal.’ Really Duncan ? I hope he was joking. If being able to fill a spa pool without water is ‘normal’ then sure, he’s normal ok.

    (5) Talk about over-simplifying science and trying to sensationalise an issue into something more than it is. So – either one of you could be right ? Let’s ask a lot of simplistic questions that are impossible to answer in full in TV time. Good one fuckwits.

    (6) Paula Penfold – straight away if a woman is putting on the really fucking stupid ‘gravel growl’ gutteral back of throat voice a la Americans with the idiotic put on serious face – I can’t take them seriously.

    (7) There was a skinny academic woman buying every high fat product possible in the supermarket who eats butter for breakfast or something. I would **LOVE** to see everything that she in fact eats week in week out. Because at her fucking weight – whatever you eat, fat or otherwise, I **KNOW** that the sum total will be fuck all. You can bet your life on that assertion from someone who has been a hardcore dieter.

    TABLOID style nonsense ruining a good current issue of society.

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  359. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I don’t think it’s that nasska

    It is the persecution of Reid and Ugly that makes me think psycho.
    That and his lack of remorse when caught out blatantly contradicting himself. Shawn is very similar to kea in that regard quite willing to continue an ongoing lie blatantly even when its been proven obvious bullshit repeatedly.

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  360. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    Reid at 9:21 pm

    I mean using:
    “emotionally stunted psychopathic atheists.”
    to describe people who don’t buy religion, is just mental and reflects none of the Christian compassion he professes. It really doesn’t.

    It’s ok. Many non-religious types can find it in their hearts to forgive him :-)

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  361. nasska (11,535 comments) says:

    You’re probably onto it Griff. Reid’s correct too when he refers to a “volcanic rage”.

    All I know is that he’s one of those little forks short of a fondue party. :)

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  362. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    @griffith at 9:26 pm

    It is the persecution of Reid and Ugly that makes me think psycho.

    Perhaps. Or perhaps at some level Shawn can see the similarities between himself, Reid, and Ugly (sorry guys), so he’s got to maximise the differences in some way.

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  363. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    The ME peace envoy

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-27122008

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  364. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Is the UK a Christian country, the debate has gone on for a week up north.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-27121879

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  365. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    All I know is that he’s one of those little forks short of a fondue party.

    Problem is if he’s not talking about religion he comes across as pretty reasonable bloke.
    It’s like a little switch gets thrown if someone attacks his core beliefs and then he turns into the the lying evangelist from hell.

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  366. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    The POTUS tour through Asia, excluding Beijing, yet is all about their relationship.

    China wants equality, but the USA only wants half its capability expended in the Asia Pacific. So its needs its allies to maintain an equilibrium. China will focus on unease amongst other nations as to Japans role in this equilibrium (polite alternative to the word containment).

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-27122392

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  367. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Ugly is harmless and has actually shown me some points of law and debate which I was unaware of.

    Reid is “wise at a tangent to reality”, happily mad, self-aware and his prose can be very witty and amusing when he is not being persecuted to death.

    Shawn/ lee01 is a waste of bandwidth always has been always will be.

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  368. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre at 9:23 pm

    95kg is not small – and 110kg for a bloody cricketer ? Helloooooooo ? Can you imagine Hadlee or Shane Bond at 110kg ? Far out !!

    Imagine… well, perhaps if they were 6′ 4″ and had huge mustaches.
    (Actually, I don’t know what Merv’s playing weight was, but somewhere over 100kgs wouldn’t surprise me).
    Do take your point though.

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  369. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    A general truism re commentators, those who engage in debate for extended periods of time (with the same people on the same topics) will come to the, we will never agree, irreconcilable differences moment.

    If the debate continues, because they are incapacitated because of injury or ill health from normal activities, it could become a past-time of venting at those other people in the world (anti-Zionists and atheists). With a little personalisation added to the mix.

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  370. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Good spawn does that mean you will leave us alone now?”

    Nope! :)

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  371. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    368 comments.

    We must all be getting along then.

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  372. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “So being a nasty lying little psychopath is more akin to your own evidential behaviour Shawn. ”

    Your quite a lot like Ugly Reid. You just assume that anyone who does not jump mindlessly down the rabbit hole into your anti-Semitic fantasies must be lying or in some way deficient. But the reality is that your need for approval for your fantasies is because your not sure they are true, and you have that feeling deep down that you may in fact be anti-Semitic.

    Don’t project your insecurities on to me. That won’t help you learn and grow.

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  373. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/weight-loss/in-depth/atkins-diet/art-20048485
    The purpose of the Atkins Diet is to change your eating habits to help
    you lose weight and keep it off. The Atkins Diet also says it’s a
    healthy lifelong approach to eating, whether you want to lose weight,
    boost your energy or help improve certain health problems, such as high
    blood pressure or metabolic syndrome.

    Why you might follow the Atkins Diet
    You might choose to follow the Atkins Diet because you:

    Enjoy the types and amounts of food featured in the dietWant a diet that restricts certain carbs to help you lose weightWant to change your overall eating habitsHave medical concerns you think the diet can help improveWant a diet you can stick with for lifeLike the related Atkins Diet products, such as cookbooks, shakes and bars

    Check with your doctor or health care provider before starting any
    weight-loss diet, especially if you have any health conditions, such as
    diabetes or kidney disease.

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  374. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “It is the persecution of Reid and Ugly that makes me think psycho.”

    Thinking is not your strong point Griif. And your own comments today would certainly qualify as psycho.

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  375. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    ” and then he turns into the the lying evangelist from hell.”

    Reptilian shape shifters have invaded the House of Windsor.

    Nuff said… :)

    I think you have accused almost everyone here of lying at some point, merely for not agreeing with your conspiracy delusions.

    Might be time to seek a therapist Ugly. :)

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  376. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    ““emotionally stunted psychopathic atheists.”
    to describe people who don’t buy religion, is just mental and reflects none of the Christian compassion he professes. It really doesn’t.”

    Actually it was a reference to Griff alone. And it’s a pretty accurate description of his posts in general. It would not be compassionate to lie to him about his anger issues.

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  377. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Aspie fucknut look it Up
    http://www.psychopathicwritings.com/2011/11/psychopaths-aspergers-syndrome.html
    Aspies present a certain lack of empathy, or what is called a limited range of shallow emotions. Aspies have a normal capacity to feel Remorse.Aspies will usually have one or a few persons they do have strong
    empathy for. With the same persons they can also have other common
    emotions such as a strong sense of loyalty. Aspies can be utterly selfless, either to another person or group of people, or to an idea or ideology. Aspies have an inward directed attention and typically are unskilled
    with observing and reading social behavior, mannerism, and
    psychological dynamics in people around them. Some Aspies ‘adopt’ certain mannerisms that they see in others, but
    with lack of skill and have great difficulty with making it work within
    social settings. Aspies can have an astonishing ability to focus and will often
    develop great expertise within a certain field of knowledge, usually one
    that centers around precision and plentiful detail. Aspies will specialize in a ‘special interest’ that to others seem
    ‘narrow’ (f.x. British steam trains of the years between 1850 and 1920).Aspies excell with things that have to do with scientific and mathematical data. Aspies do very typically feel strongly about justice and truth.Aspies thrive with predictability, dislike change and prefer to live a structured, well organized life. Aspies often struggle with Anxiety, and sometimes with Anger.

    Psychopaths:
    Psychopaths present a certain lack of empathy, or what is called a limited range of shallow emotions.
    Psychopaths lack emotional capacity to feel Remorse.
    Psychopaths either have very limited empathy or no empathy, the lack
    of emotion does not have exceptions and extend to friends and family
    members.
    Loyalty is too superficial in psychopaths to qualify as real loyalty
    because it will always be based in self-serving motives. Deep
    commitment to an ideology will never precede selfishness.
    Psychopaths have an outward directed attention and have an adept
    ability to observe and read social behavior, mannerism, and the
    psychological dynamics in people around them.
    Psychopaths adopt mannerisms that we observe in others, and we
    switch with ease between an arsenal of styles according to social
    circumstances.
    Psychopaths can have an astonishing ability to focus and will often
    develop limited expertise in several fields of knowledge, but interest
    tends to be short lived, and the expertise suffers from lack of
    precision and detail. Psychopaths often have numerous interests which develop over night and disappear as quickly.
    Psychopaths typically excel with things to do with inter-personal mechanics and communication.
    Psychopaths are very typically unusually adept liars and do not have
    an emotional attachment to any principle of truth or justice.
    Psychopaths thrive with change, excitement and “living on the edge” or “living in the fast lane”.
    Psychopaths have very low or absent Anxiety, but do sometimes struggle with Anger.

    The conclusion seems to be that whereas people with Asperger’s Syndrome
    no doubt can present with Antisocial Personality Disorder (AsPD), it is
    not possible to be an Aspie and also a Psychopath.

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  378. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    You just assume that anyone who does not jump mindlessly down the rabbit hole into your anti-Semitic fantasies must be lying or in some way deficient.

    Actually I’m merely obeying Jesus’ instructions Shawn, as outlined in Jo 8:31-59. You’re acting like Jo 8:44, I’m acting like Jo 8:45.

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  379. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Ok, this is a serious question Griff, with no ill intentions. You have aspergers syndrome?

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  380. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Guess so. Well, that explains a few things I was wondering about.

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  381. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “Actually I’m merely obeying Jesus’ instructions”

    Not really Reid.

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  382. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    ShawnLH April 23rd at 10:19 pm

    Reid said

    ““emotionally stunted psychopathic atheists.” to describe people who don’t buy religion, is just mental and reflects none of the Christian compassion he professes. It really doesn’t.“

    Actually it was a reference to Griff alone.

    You’re not being completely honest. It is your general view on most atheists –
    ShawnLH at 11:30 pm (April 21st)

    Atheism is a mindless cult let by intellectually dishonest charlatans like Dawkins.
    …[snip]…
    Most atheists are emotionally stunted psychopaths, Griff being a perfect example.

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  383. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Well the psychopaths bit was said in the heat of the argument. But generally speaking most atheists I come across are not well adjusted folks. I think it has something to do with the nihilism at the heart of atheism.

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  384. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Capitalist acts between consenting adults – nihilism and comment on religion

    http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/

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  385. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    On the other hand, Reid’s comments might be spot on.

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  386. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “And as Richard Dawkins says ”

    I stopped reading after that point. Kinda funny coming from an Objectivist, a quasi-religious cult if there ever was one.

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  387. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    @ShawnLH at 11:16 pm

    “And as Richard Dawkins says ” …

    If you are addressing that to me, I’ve no idea what you are on about.

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  388. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    No, SPC’s link to not pc.

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  389. SGA (1,045 comments) says:

    oh well… night all.

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  390. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:

    how many times have I hinted sooo strongly shows how self-absorbed you are psycho boy.

    Lets see I noted I was like TVs bones which is a portrait of a typical high functioning aspie on tv ( the movie is coming out soon and will actually confirm this)

    iq 145 + Aspie often have a very high IQ . think tesla Einstein Newton all probably aspies along with a surprising number of others in the history of Scientific enlightenment

    anti social pot smoker— Drinking based social interaction in large groups like pups and bars is distressing to most aspie because of the sensory overload of too many people too much noise and movement at once. =aspie

    school dropout at fifteen with an extensive university graduates + vocab = little professor=aspie

    Brilliant/ warped mind =Geeks syndrom=aspie

    Exceedingly powerfully fucus to the point of being obsessives on limited subjects . powerful sence of justice =aspie

    hence my obsession with climate change even though I will be dead and dust before the true impacts arrive and leave no progeny (a choice made young because of the genetic component in the syndrome) to be effected either

    Hates others in personal….. space….. remember the huggy huggy thing typical reaction to the threat of unwanted personal physical contact. . =aspie

    Even the spelling thing is an indicator as spelling is processed in the same part of the brain that does face recognition somethings most aspies struggle with ….I can not recognise faces out side of a familiar social context.

    I could name other regular KB commentators who probably are aspies / on the spectrum as well

    that is their business so I will not out any one or discus who else is :lol:

    Test here http://rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php

    Griff is around 155/160 definitely and defiantly an aspie. if I ever needed a true head shrink diagnose it would be confirmed by examining the classic symptoms I had as a kid.

    Nietzsche’s ultimate point is that to be “a man” alone is to be more than “a Christ”.

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  391. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    the science behind the aspie quiz

    The aim of this study was to define neurodiversity in a scientific manner so it can be researched in further studies without involving disorders defined by psychiatry or popular beliefs about neurodiversity in the autistic community. Neurodiversity was defined as the primary factor output by factor analysis of a data set of human behaviors which contains evenly distributed traits of all sorts that cover all of human diversity. Neurotypical function was defined as the second factor. The study used many different traits and a large sample to find the full extent of neurodiversity, and to provide evenly distributed traits. The result was a test with 145 scoring items and 5 control items that could give participants a neurodiverse and a neurotypical score, and an indication that the participant was neurodiverse, neurotypical, or mixed. It was found that the neurodiversity score was independent of gender and age, and that the prevalence appears to have remained unchanged. There were possible differences in racial prevalence that need further research. The results correlated to many disorders defined by psychiatry, and also with several factors in personality tests. People who had been diagnosed with these disorders had considerably higher neurodiversity scores. The idea that neurodiversity was at the extreme end of a normal distribution was not supported, rather it was found that neurodiversity had its own normal distribution overlapping typical traits.

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  392. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Your Aspie score: 144 of 200
    Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 79 of 200
    You are very likely an Aspie

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