General Debate 26 April 2014

April 26th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. hj (6,991 comments) says:

    RBNZ Questions NZ Population Ponzi

    The Reserve Bank of New Zealand’s (RBNZ) Michael Reddell has written an interesting paper questioning the merits of New Zealand’s high immigration program, which appears to have crowded-out (through higher interest rates and a high average real exchange rate) other productive investment, lowering living standards in the process:

    Reddell’s paper follows analysis completed earlier this month by the New Zealand Treasury, which questioned the merits of high immigration, and recommended a reduced immigration intake in the event that the economy is unable to adequately cope with population pressures.

    It also follows a 2011 report by New Zealand’s Savings Working Group, which also supported the notion that high levels of immigration tend to put upward pressure on inflation and interest rates, which can crowd-out productive sectors of the economy.

    As argued many times on this blog, a big negative of high rates of immigration is that it places increasing pressure on the pre-existing (already strained) stock of infrastructure and housing, reducing productivity and living standards unless costly new investments are made, which in turn chokes-off other productive investment.

    Indeed, as explained in a 2011 speech by the Reserve Bank of Australia’s Phil Lowe (summarised here), rapid population growth (immigration) since the mid-2000s has placed upward pressure on rents, as well as caused a big surge in utilities prices as the capacity of the system struggled to keep pace with the growing demand, requiring costly new investments.

    In a similar vein, modelling by the Productivity Commission has found that immigration is neither beneficial for the economy or living standards, nor can it sustainably alleviate the impacts of an ageing population.

    Any objective examination of the facts suggests that the case for a high level of immigration is anything but clear-cut and those advocating a strong migration program need to justify their position.

    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/04/rbnz-slams-the-population-ponzi/

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  2. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    John Armstrong has Labour at 23%.
    That party and the inept bastards who now run it deserve worse than that.
    McCarten is inept, and Cunliffe is the same, and the party president, talk about three peas in a pod.
    The only person i can find more inept to be honest is that female leader of the Greens. She is seriously below average intelligence and i never say that lightly.
    Hopefully after the election they will puff away on Cunliffes Harvard poem and retire themselves and the Party to history. Labour founders will be turning in their grave as to what its become.

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  3. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Fairfax and APN are really competing with each other for Labour favour. Their publications this morning are a blatant display of left-wing propaganda, and to me it is time these two mediums were taken to task. Even “Wanganui Chronicle” has a pro-Labour slant, featuring the weasly little business failure and his cohort, “Tojo” in one story, then Mr Ed being promoted in the next.

    After seeing “Tojo” texting during the Anzac service in Titirangi, it made me realise what a disrespectful mongrel he is . . . it also reinforces rumours of his intention to disestablish the RSA movement, as it does not fit his pacifist background, preferring the white poppy brigade.

    To top it all off NewstalkZB are doing a grease to the Greens as well. Are we going to get a real bombardment of leftie shit till Jones’ resignation calms down?

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  4. Left Right and Centre (2,973 comments) says:

    How to put Progressive and Foodstuffs out of business in no time…..

    (1) Open a national supermarket chain called ‘Beer And Wine Sale Week’. Game over.

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  5. Left Right and Centre (2,973 comments) says:

    Labour founders will be turning in their grave as to what its become.

    (1) Rogernomics = Labour ?

    (2) National votes 2002 general election = 21%

    Meh

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  6. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Left right…
    Yes fair point about Rogernomics, but NZ was about to go bankrupt when that happened so what choice was there and it wasnt actually run by a bunch of social engineering homosexuals then who are intent on social change rather than a good days pay for a good days work..
    Yes National got a hiding but they came back as Labour started turning into it what it has become now. I dont see Labour being able to change back towards the centre, the whole party has changed how its structured for leaderships etc, they have become a party of small interest groups and it shows so they deserve to be wiped out as a main party ever again

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  7. duggledog (1,554 comments) says:

    I believe worse is to come for Labour. As Armstrong points out, the Shane Jones appointment is the blow from National that puts them on the ropes a few months out from an election that should have seen them breathing down National’s neck.

    Does anyone think National is going to offer Labour a gentlemanly hand up to continue some sort of Good Fight?

    No, I’d say they are shortly going to repeatedly slam the idiot party in the face with an advertising campaign, ‘facts’, killer debates etc so they can’t get up and fight again, and relegate Labour to Green party size status. Only a fool would do otherwise, and clearly the strategists ain’t fools.

    So expect to see more good shit from National in the coming months with the final killer blow being a nice little gift right before the election for all the lofos – something like a reduction in fuel excise, something to tip the balance good and proper, and as I am so fond of saying, National will govern alone. Has to be the plan.

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  8. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:

    thinking and the right seem to have a strange relationship

    running around poking at labour going to left

    labour is falling left because national is hogging the center.

    you are all without representation.

    one party of the center aint a right-wing political direction.

    To the right is ACT a brand with no integrity after being arse fucked by national for years.

    No direction home.

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  9. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    National crashed in 2002, made major changes and came close to coming back and winning in 2005.

    Labour crashed (not as badly) in 2011, changed little but leadeership twice and stand a distinct chance of crashing even more this year. Four months isn’t long to make major changes and turn things around.

    Labour can’t afford to change leader again, and in any case there is no one obvious who could step up now Jones has stepped right out.

    Grant Robertson could have been a possible replacement but he seems to have taken to hard core attack politics which isn’t a good look for a prospective leader.

    Cunliffe has to step up big time or Labour will fall down some more.

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  10. duggledog (1,554 comments) says:

    Ha ha LR & C

    Owned

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  11. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    DuggleDog
    Yes National cant slow it down, Labour must be annihilated, i hate what they have become to represent and it must be crushed to nothing and then buried deep in the longest long drop.
    No one who talks the hubris nonsense of Cunliffe or the vitriol of Mccarten or has the ineptitude of Moria Coastesworth should ever be able to be considered for political life again

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  12. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    duggledog

    I wouldn’t credit the National strategists with too much “intelligence”.

    I suspet their winning formula rests on Mr Popular Key.It seems wimmin like him. He has not rolled back the election bribes offered by labour to win past elections and he steadfastly continues to borrow money to keep us all in the lifestyle to which we have become accustomed.

    Meanwhile what was once anathema to true National supporters has become mainstreamed,racial and far left social policy.Not to mention the attacks on private property rights in respect of the tobacco industry.

    The winning formula is “Labour Lite”.

    National have appeared to manage the GFC but simply kicked the ball down the road. There will still have to be a reckoning.

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  13. Left Right and Centre (2,973 comments) says:

    Ha ha LR & C

    Owned

    As much as National in 02 ? Is that even possible ? Careful you don’t become too owned by US bullshit lingo mate.

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  14. flipper (4,050 comments) says:

    National has selected Alistair Scott, a mid 40s ex CS First Boston man, and owner of the Matahiwi Winery in Masterton, to stand in Wairarapa.

    More than 150 qualified members (no outsiders at all, must be party member for 12 months, and must lived in constituency for six months) voted Scott in ahead of three other candidates. Scott was by far the mist impressive of the four and secured the necessary 50% + 1 ahead of list member Jo Hayes.
    John Hayes (no relation) had earlier announced his retirement.

    Scott’s main opposition on Sept. 20 will be a 27 year old TAB bookie (but “importantly”: a Pol Sci graduate) – a strange choice given Labour’s professed anti gambling stance.

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  15. Nostalgia-NZ (5,191 comments) says:

    Doesn’t matter how many times it is picked over, Jones has gone. If he was going to be the difference between Labour winning or losing they’re buggered full stop, yet it seems the right is concerned about his departure which seems incongruent. Possibly for a few more days this will seem some meaningful peak or trough then the close analysis of JC will resume, and even as likely, disputes concerning which dairy produce companies have been shut out of China and what the Government did or didn’t do for them. On Collins it seems that JK is rehabilitating her reputation by pointing out that Labour are languishing in the polls because of it’s attack on her private dinner in China. In fact Labour’s polling has been in the doldrums for a long time, and more significantly the popularity of its various recent leaders has as well – I thought that would be something JK would be encouraging rather than pointing out what he believes to be the cause, catch 22.

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  16. Left Right and Centre (2,973 comments) says:

    but NZ was about to go bankrupt when that happened so what choice was there

    ….bankrupt after the end of which governing party that ruled despite losing the popular vote under FPP ? :)

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  17. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Sean Hannity’s libertarian hero Cliven Bundy graces the world with his views on ‘niggers’ and how their social ills could be remedied with a good ol’ dose of slavery and cotton-pickin’:

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  18. hj (6,991 comments) says:

    Sean Hannity’s libertarian hero Cliven Bundy graces the world with his views on ‘niggers’ and how their social ills could be remedied with a good ol’ dose of cotton-pickin

    but people don’t pick cotton by hand so he is musing:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_picker

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  19. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    Is this the same bloke who thinks he can graze his cattle on publicly owned land?

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  20. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    scott chris

    Liar.

    Bundy does not use the word “nigger”

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  21. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    Will Jo Hayes have another go at Dunedin South then?

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  22. tvb (4,415 comments) says:

    The Labour Party could be in structural decline which could be permanent. A charismatic leader could do it and bring them back. A dreadful scandal could mortally wound National. But right now Labour looks toast so why vote for it.

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  23. OneTrack (3,088 comments) says:

    Left, right and center – ….bankrupt after the end of which governing party that ruled despite losing the popular vote under FPP ? ”

    Yes it was National and Robert Muldoon.

    How did he do that? By implementing policies that look remarkedly similar to what Labour and the Greens are now promoting. Tax, spend, regulate, exchange rate controls and government heavily involved in all business activity.

    So, if you want to see what NZ mid 1984 looks like, vote Labour / Green and find out.

    LRC, massive own goal there mate.

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  24. Left Right and Centre (2,973 comments) says:

    No-one won the 2005 general election. A minority government coalition was formed, with confidence and supply support from minor parties.

    Labour / Greens socio-economic voting blocs have a stray cat birth rate. 2023 prediction: Even Penny Bright as leader could get the muppet show elected. Maybe Katie Bradford will be future PM ?:)

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  25. OneTrack (3,088 comments) says:

    tvb – “A charismatic leader could do it and bring them back. ”

    Labour must come back. We really need free trailer registration, expensive light bulbs and a political master class comprised of fabian socialists telling us proletariat how to live, based on what their political science lecturers told them when they were doing their BAs at Otago University.

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  26. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers – (Sorry – had computer problems – posted now FYI)

    24 April 2014

    Bribery and Corruption complaint to SFO CEO Julie Read, re: Minister of Foreign Affairs, Murray McCully’s ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’ job offer to Labour MP Shane Jones

    I wish to make a formal complaint to the New Zealand Serious Fraud Office (SFO) alleging bribery and corruption against Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully, under s.103 (2) of the Crimes Act 1961:

    (PLEASE NOTE – THIS IS A ‘BRIBERY AND CORRUPTION’ COMPLAINT – NOT A ‘SERIOUS AND COMPLEX FRAUD’ COMPLAINT!)

    Please also be advised that if the SFO chooses not to prosecute, it is my intention to engage the services of Graham McCready, Prosecutor for Private Prosecution Services Ltd.

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328748.html

    103 Corruption and bribery of member of Parliament

    (2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who corruptly gives or offers or agrees to give any bribe to any person with intent to influence any member of Parliament in respect of any act or omission by him or her in his or her capacity as a member of Parliament.
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    The ‘offer’ made by Minister of Foreign Affairs Murry McCully, being the job offer of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’ to Labour Party MP, Shane Jones.

    The ‘intent to influence any member of Parliament in respect of any act’ being to encourage Labour Party MP Shane Jones to leave Parliament as an MP.
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    EVIDENCE (and ‘public interest’) relating to this matter:

    Mainstream media coverage of this issue:

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/multimedia/tv/national/91570.html

    Shane Jones to leave Labour, set to work with Murray McCully
    Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 6:15pm
    Source: TV3
    Shane Jones is quitting, and there’s a job already lined up for him a a job offer from the enemy, the National Government.
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/multimedia/tv/national/91599.html

    Shane Jones best pick for new role – McCully
    Wednesday, 23 April 2014, 9:15am
    Source: TV3
    Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully denies Shane Jones’ new role was created in order to derail Labour’s election campaign.
    __________________________________________________
    Shane Jones to leave Labour, set to work with Murray McCully
    Patrick Gower 3 News Political Editor
    By Patrick Gower
    Political Editor
    Tuesday 22 Apr 2014 6:01p.m.
    Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Shane-Jones-to-leave-Labour-set-to-work-with-Murray-McCully/tabid/1607/articleID/341086/Default.aspx#ixzz2zl8V6cdW
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Shane-Jones-to-leave-Labour-set-to-work-with-Murray-McCully/tabid/1607/articleID/341086/Default.aspx

    …………………………..
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/2006551133-jones–resignation-a-win-for-national
    By: Michael Sergel, Corazon Miller, and Laura McQuillan, Latest Political News | Wednesday April 23 2014 5:08
    UPDATED 6:50pm: Shane Jones has lost his drive for politics.
    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/jones-quitting-politics-ck-155095
    Shane Jones quits politics
    NBR Staff | Tuesday April 22, 2014 | 25 comments
    ……………
    Please acknowledge receipt of this complaint at your earliest convenience.

    Yours sincerely,
    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate (polled 4th with 11,723 votes, campaigning against corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region).

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

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  27. Left Right and Centre (2,973 comments) says:

    LRC, massive own goal there mate.

    So….National in the past have done things Labour / Green now advocate – and Labour have done things in the past that would make Savage very savage indeed. And apparently Labour ironically turned ‘National’ to deal with problems that a very ‘labour’ like National had created. What an interesting political history this little nation has.

    And each time each party has sooner or later changed something. Because change is the only true constant ? So – that could still happen for any party ? Even the currently shitarse Labour Party ? Chances are they’ll work it out one day.

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  28. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Liar.

    Bundy does not use the word “nigger”

    Kowtow, I suggest you replace your hearing-aid battery.

    4 seconds in to the clip I posted Bundy clearly says, “I’ll tell you one more thing I know about the nigger

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  29. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Is this the same bloke who thinks he can graze his cattle on publicly owned land?

    He’s been there for quite a while, adverse possession may apply.

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  30. flipper (4,050 comments) says:

    PG….
    re Jo Hayes

    Don’t know… but her Parliamentary cel # is 021 620.316

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  31. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    FYI (Sorry – had computer problems – posted now FYI)

    I have had to remove most links to the mainstream media articles because otherwise it seems that I would not have been able to post this :

    ______________________________________________________________________________

    24 April 2014

    Bribery and Corruption complaint to SFO CEO Julie Read, re: Minister of Foreign Affairs, Murray McCully’s ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’ job offer to Labour MP Shane Jones

    I wish to make a formal complaint to the New Zealand Serious Fraud Office (SFO) alleging bribery and corruption against Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully, under s.103 (2) of the Crimes Act 1961:

    (PLEASE NOTE – THIS IS A ‘BRIBERY AND CORRUPTION’ COMPLAINT – NOT A ‘SERIOUS AND COMPLEX FRAUD’ COMPLAINT!)

    Please also be advised that if the SFO chooses not to prosecute, it is my intention to engage the services of Graham McCready, Prosecutor for Private Prosecution Services Ltd.

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328748.html

    103 Corruption and bribery of member of Parliament

    (2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who corruptly gives or offers or agrees to give any bribe to any person with intent to influence any member of Parliament in respect of any act or omission by him or her in his or her capacity as a member of Parliament.
    ________________________________________________________________________________

    The ‘offer’ made by Minister of Foreign Affairs Murry McCully, being the job offer of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’ to Labour Party MP, Shane Jones.

    The ‘intent to influence any member of Parliament in respect of any act’ being to encourage Labour Party MP Shane Jones to leave Parliament as an MP.
    ________________________________________________________________________________

    EVIDENCE (and ‘public interest’) relating to this matter:

    Mainstream media coverage of this issue:
    ……………………….

    Shane Jones to leave Labour, set to work with Murray McCully
    Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 6:15pm
    Source: TV3
    Shane Jones is quitting, and there’s a job already lined up for him a a job offer from the enemy, the National Government.
    ________________________________________________________________________________

    ………………………………

    Shane Jones best pick for new role – McCully
    Wednesday, 23 April 2014, 9:15am
    Source: TV3
    Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully denies Shane Jones’ new role was created in order to derail Labour’s election campaign.
    __________________________________________________

    Shane Jones to leave Labour, set to work with Murray McCully
    Patrick Gower 3 News Political Editor
    By Patrick Gower
    Political Editor
    Tuesday 22 Apr 2014 6:01p.m.
    ……………………………….
    …………………………..
    …………………………….
    By: Michael Sergel, Corazon Miller, and Laura McQuillan, Latest Political News | Wednesday April 23 2014 5:08
    UPDATED 6:50pm: Shane Jones has lost his drive for politics.
    ________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/jones-quitting-politics-ck-155095
    Shane Jones quits politics
    NBR Staff | Tuesday April 22, 2014 | 25 comments
    ……………
    Please acknowledge receipt of this complaint at your earliest convenience.

    Yours sincerely,
    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate (polled 4th with 11,723 votes, campaigning against corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region).

    ……………….
    ……………….
    ………………..

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  32. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Penny: Just pay your rates and keep out of public view . . . you are a loser!

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  33. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    scott chris

    I suggest you replace your worn out leftist, anti small govt philosophy.You’d have done very well at the Ministry of Truth.

    There is clearly an ‘oh” sylable at the end of ‘nig” at 4 seconds.

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  34. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Penny, for a bribe to exist there has to be corrupt intent.

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  35. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    tvb

    Labour “toast why vote for it”

    Cos they’ll give us more money than National gives us.A bit like a choice of between dumb and dumber.Either way we get far left social engineering.

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  36. flipper (4,050 comments) says:

    Kowtow and Scott…

    The Bundy issue is far more complicated than you folks portray.

    There are fundamental constitutional issues that will need to be resolved as has been made clear by respected US legal analysts (including Dershowtiz from Harvard).

    They will not be resolved when totalitarian Fed Bureaucrats from the “Bureau of Land Management” turn up with 200 + armed deputies (to enforce a civil claim/judgement) and get into a stand off with three times that number of residents and media crews.
    Then they found that no one would buy the cattle the Feds sold….. so humiliating back down.

    Whether the gangster Harry Reid clan that seems to rule Nevada will try again is quite an issue.

    A similar situation has developed in Texas. But the State of Texas has told the feds to bugger off, and that all such land is beyond their jurisdiction.

    So…. interesting times to come on this.

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  37. hj (6,991 comments) says:

    Mark Twain used the word Nigger.
    The opposite of a Bundy is a sneering academic who jerks off on “white privilege”?

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  38. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.”
    “And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/us/politics/rancher-proudly-breaks-the-law-becoming-a-hero-in-the-west.html?hp&_r=0

    Just sayin- context does matter

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  39. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes hj, ‘nigger’ was a widespread epithet once. And your point about Bundy using it now?

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  40. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    “EVIDENCE (and ‘public interest’) relating to this matter:”

    Er, Penny, I think you are actually supposed to provide actual evidence of the supposed corruption in this section.

    TV news reporting the event isn’t evidence of anything at all.

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  41. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “I am deeply concerned about the notion that the Bureau of Land Management believes the federal government has the authority to swoop in and take land that has been owned and cultivated by Texas landowners for generations”

    “The BLM’s newly asserted claims to land along the Red River threaten to upset long-settled private property rights and undermine fundamental principles—including the rule of law—that form the foundation of our democracy.”

    Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/04/22/Exclusive-Greg-Abbott-to-BLM-Come-and-Take-It

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  42. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Presumably those Texas ‘landowners’ will be able to demonstrate that they have legal title to the lands in question.

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  43. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Scott
    “4 seconds in to the clip I posted Bundy clearly says, “I’ll tell you one more thing I know about the nigger“

    No he doesn’t. He says ” nigroe”. Texans aren’t renowned for their accurate English. Go figure

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  44. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Mikey
    They lease the land. Do try to keep up.

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  45. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Flipper
    Do you think Texas will secede from the US? Isn’t there some historical provision in place where they can still do so?

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  46. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    flipper

    I’ve not portrayed the Bundy episode as anything ,I’m simply calling cultural marxist scott chris a liar.

    Nigger as epithet?

    Nigger is simply a derivation of the spanish for black. There’s a black river in west Africa that gives it’s name to 2 countries.

    Once upon a time every racial or ethnic group were called by names the other used.Common practise.

    Paddy,Mick,Jock,Taff,Pom,Limey,Yank,Frog,Kraut,Nip,Dago,Gypo,Chink,Gook,Honkey,Hori,Tau Iwi,Pakeha………..

    …….but Nigger,thanks to the strength of cultural marxism has become a crime in some countries and tantamount to one in many.

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  47. hj (6,991 comments) says:

    Yes, ‘nigger’ was a widespread epithet once. And your point about Bundy using it now?

    I was surprised to hear him use it and i wondered if it was still used in some parts?

    He’s another Fred Phelps?

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  48. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    All on red

    Cultural marxists like scott chris aren’t renowned for their honesty,full stop.

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  49. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    They lease the land.

    No, they stopped paying grazing fees in 1993. 21 years is well beyond Nevada’s state time limits for adverse possession.

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  50. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Kowtow
    Indeed, he must be choking that the NYT quotes Bundy as saying ” negro” . He can’t argue with that bastion of progressive pride. Bwahahaha

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  51. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    All_on_Red
    Ugly said they owned the land, so I expect they will be able to prove that.

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  52. holysheet (385 comments) says:

    Liabore can still win.
    All they have to do is announce that they will wipe ALL student loans after the election.
    Imagine the votes this policy will get them.
    Bugger the effects on the country and all those students who have paid off their loans.
    Just saying.

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  53. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    Dambusters hero graces the world with his dog’s name and code word for dam busting.

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  54. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I understand that the script for the proposed Peter Jackson remake changes the dog’s name to ‘Digger’.

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  55. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Mikey
    Sigh, you’re not very bright are you. Ugly is saying that because they have had possession and use of it for so long that some rules apply which could now give them effectively ownership.
    For example, in Florida, if you vacate your house, and someone then maintains occupation of it for more than seven years then they can claim ownership.

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  56. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    So, will they be able to prove that?

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  57. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    IIRC the Bundys have been on that land for generations. The dispute really has arisen because the BLM wants the Bundys to de-stock the land of cattle to protect a tortoise.
    The BLM started taking their cattle away and when they couldn’t sell them ( no buyer would step forward) they started killing them.

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  58. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes, they have leased the land for generations and then decided to stop paying the grazing fees. Now they seem to think they own the land.

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  59. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    No, they haven’t claimed ownership. Ugly is saying they might be able to claim ownership. Their dispute is that because they are being prevented from using the land as was originally agreed then why should they pay the fees. It’s a civil dispute which the Govt tried to enforce with 200 armed men.
    You’re a public servant aren’t you. God help us you’re so dim.

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  60. Sofia (856 comments) says:

    Penny, your logic renders Cunliffe equally [or even more] corrupting than McCully, in fraudulently trying to influence a bunch of people to stay in Parliament.

    Stop being silly – meant in the kindest, time-saving sort of way possible :-)
    Please acknowledge receipt of this complaint at your nearest convenience.
    Yours sincerely, ‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’ Watcher

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  61. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

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  62. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Yeah okay he doesn’t say nigger he says niggro – my bad.

    But if you can’t spot the racism in the rest of his spiel then you’re as blind as you think I am blind.

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  63. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    Sean Hannity’s libertarian hero Cliven Bundy graces the world with his views on ‘niggers’ and how their social ills could be remedied with a good ol’ dose of slavery and cotton-pickin’:

    Below is what a black Marine has to say about the Clive Bundy comment.

    Charlie Delta
    The media distorts information to the point of social division. This is a photo of myself and the resilient, often charismatic, and maybe not so tactful Cliven Bundy. He’s a cowboy and a helluva family man, not an orator. One thing he definitely isn’t – a racist. I found his comments to not only be NOT racist, but his own view of his experiences. Who the heck are we to determine another man’s perspective on the world around him?! Just because Picasso’s view of the world was abstract, does it negate the fact that his art was genuine? Furthermore, if you take the time to do your own research, you’ll find that his statements about some black Americans actually hold weight. He posed a hypothetical question. He said, “I wonder IF” … Hell, I’m black and I often wonder about the same about the decline of the black family. Bottom line is that we are all slaves in this waning republic, no matter our skin color. Mr. Bundy could have used any racial demographic as an example: Native Americans on reservations, whites in trailer parks, etc. He noticed the crippling effects of receiving government “assistance” and the long term result of accepting handouts. It’s not progress at all. I challenge Sean Hannity, Rand Paul, and others to read my comment and reconsider their position in this matter. Individual liberties are at stake here, yours and mine. THAT is the issue. Don’t let the liberal media and ignoramuses like Glenn Beck and that weasel Harry Reid make you lose sight of the real issue here: The federal government is a burgeoning behemoth and a bully on a once constitutional playground.I sincerely hope you real patriots out there who can see through the smoke.

    Semper Fidelis

    http://theblacksphere.net/2014/4/black-marine-clive-bundy-no-racist

    And CNN talked to one of Bundy’s own bodyguards, who is black.

    One of the supporters serving as a bodyguard for Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy during his standoff with federal authorities — and who also happens to be black — said he would still “take a bullet for” Bundy after the rancher made racially inflammatory comments.

    CNN’s Dan Simon noticed Jason Bullock, a six-year Army veteran who serves as one of Bundy’s bodyguards, hanging around the at the Nevada ranch. Simon asked Bullock whether he found Bundy’s remarks about blacks and slavery offensive.

    “Mr. Bundy is not a racist,” he told CNN. “Ever since I’ve been here, he’s treated me with nothing but hospitality. He’s pretty much treating me just like his own family.”

    “I would take a bullet for that man if need be. I look up to him just like I do my own grandfather,” he added. “I believe in his cause and after having met Mr. Bundy a few times, I have a really good feel about him and I’m a pretty good judge of character.”

    (Link includes video)
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-bodyguard-take-a-bullet?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

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  64. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    All on Red

    scotto chrisoe has choked. Despite his first lie at 904,compounded by his insistence at 943 where he claims I need hearing aids.

    Fuck he’s a cheeky bastardo ,and the best he can do is ‘My Bad’.

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  65. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    Are we forgetting ANZAC Day so soon.
    Our fathers fought for freedom of our, and other like minded, countries.

    In September we are faced with a decision to let they that wish to destroy that freedom or to continue our way of life.

    Remember under now Left Wing Labour, Greenpeace and Mana they will seek to take many those freedoms we know away from us.
    We must be vigilant not to let this happen.

    MMP is the greatest danger to our society.

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  66. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Our fathers fought for freedom of our, and other like minded, countries.

    Like minded as in Soviet Russia, who took over where the Nazi left off ?

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  67. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Scott,

    It’s not at all clear what point you think you are making.

    People on the left and the right can be racists.

    The difference is that right-wing racists act on their views in a purely private capacity (as is their right), whilst those on the left, as ever, use the state to impose it on everyone.

    Remember, in the US it is the Republican Party which has the longest and proudest history of opposing racist legislation.

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  68. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    I’ve found a clip of Scott chris on you tube, he’s the guy on the roof with the telescope.

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  69. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    wat, your constant use of facts is RACIST !!!

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  70. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    ps… The full UNEDITED version of Bundy’s statement, which is actually NOT racist at all.
    The media has done a hatchet job on him.

    The controversy over Cliven Bundy’s “racist” remarks has taken a new turn after longer unedited footage emerged showing the Nevada cattle rancher making pro-black and pro-Mexican comments that were excised out of media reports.

    The full clip illustrates how the original New York Times report edited out statements made by Bundy both before and after his supposedly “racist” remarks, which when taken in their full context actually constitute a pro-minority position. Media Matters also cut out these crucial comments from their YouTube upload of Bundy’s remarks.

    Bundy’s full comments are reprinted below, with the parts not printed by the New York Times and other media outlets highlighted in bold.

    …” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.

    We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

    Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.

    When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.

    The man has been edited rather badly, but he isn’t a racist.

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  71. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    My editorial position throughout the Ukraine crisis has been that the West would feel it could claim the Russians were the aggressors simply by stating it over and over. After all, they have corporate media at their beck and call on propaganda needs. The Russians on the other hand have consistently played it cool with no threats, and giving the West lots of time to wrap the rope around its neck. Very early in the game, alternative media, which is quickly becoming the new mainstream media, had picked up on whom the good and bad guys were.

    Everybody could smell that the US and NATO were trying to bait the Russians coming in early, which would then validate their “invasion” scenario. We see it is Kiev and US doing the invading, and what is worse, doing it right after they had signed a de-escalation agreement.

    The West has doubled down with a repeat Maidan scenario. There they brokered a psyops compromise between the Yanukovych government and his opposition, which we know now they fully planned to break. As tensions eased, they unleashed their Right Sector terror proxies with the sniper killings which collapsed the former government. Now, in what can only be called diplomatic treachery, Kerry has stained his legacy by pulling the same tactic in Geneva talks last week.

    We learn this morning that Ukraine has deployed, effectively, a division of its top forces. From ITAR-TASS, we learn the order of battle for the 11,000 troops engaged…

    The Russians have not been sitting on their behinds, nor would anyone else having a major foreign power operating on its border via a violent coup-government in charge of its military forces. If the situation were reversed, the Russians doing something similar in Canada, the US military would be preparing a list of military options.

    Of course this move by Ukraine had the full support of the US. For whatever the reasons, the White house has decided it wants escalation, not de-escalation…

    …Obama is literally calling Putin out into the street now… a move that none of us see any justification for other than as part of a planned major Geo-political shift that it wants to trigger with military action. Donetsk region protestors are reporting in local media, “An all-arms operation has been launched in Sloviansk. This means just one thing — a civil war.” A full mobilization has been called for.

    Putin has continued his measured response, calling today’s actions a “punitive operation,” moving up to the red line but not over it… yet…

    Sadly the alternative media while considered by many to be authoritative in some areas like AGW, isn’t considered quite so authoritative for some reason when it comes to global geopolitics, possibly because the matrix has spent simply ages programming the people just how to think in this area and global geopolitics isn’t quite so obvious as understanding whether or not the sun is shining or snow is falling. Shame really, given that geopolitics has a much more immediate and much more direct import in really understanding what’s going on.

    The media has done a hatchet job on him.

    Gee, who’da thunk. They’ve never done that before…

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  72. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Scott
    Why is it when anyone tries to speak the truth about the state negroes or blacks find themselves in today after all the promises made by Obama and his progressive supporters,they are called a ” racist”.
    The facts are clear. High unemployment, poor health, high black on black murder rates, low educational outcomes etc etc.None of this even had a dent made in it by the first Obama term and yet 96% of blacks voted for Obama again. Why? Because he was black? So who are the real racists.
    The Maori Party recently correctly pointed out that Labour and the Greens have done little really for Maori or Pacifica people despite Labour/ greens taking the so called moral high ground and labelling their opponents as uncaring racists.
    Good huh.

    Kea- wow , next we will see the scientific climate institutions having their own SWAT teams , oh wait…I liked that clip. Very salient point about how anti gun people are happy for governments to be armed yet not private individuals and how badly it’s worked out in history when the government has too much power.

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  73. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    Have just heard Jack Tane on Newstalk ZB “interview” wine commentator John Hawksby on a specific wine producer’s fairly expensive products ($39 – $49) which scored “highly recommended”. Twice Tane mentioned that he would “put the wines up on our website”.

    Nothing wrong with that in general terms. Except that one expects a degree of transparency about the professional independence of sector experts commissioned by media channels for reviews of products falling within their field of claimed expertise.

    So Newstalk ZB might like to enlighten its listeners:
    a) Is Hawksby paid by the Newstalk ZB organisation for his expert comments on selected wines?
    b) If not, is it part of Newstalk ZB’s deal with Hawksby that the radio outlet will feature wines recommended by him on its website?

    And Mr Hawksby should also feel free to comment. Is he paid (in cash or in kind) by the wine producer, the radio station, or both? Does he feel that his opinion and professional standing would be enhanced by listeners having a better idea of the commercial arrangements behind his commentary?

    For the record, I consider that Mr Hawksby is quite entitled to be remunerated, handsomely, for his commentary and advice on winemaking and specific wines. But we fools out in the general public would be able to judge better the professional merits of his advice against a clearer background of who’s paying whom.

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  74. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    Scott
    Why is it when anyone tries to speak the truth about the state negroes or blacks find themselves in today after all the promises made by Obama and his progressive supporters,they are called a ” racist”.

    Yep, and a black Republican candidate said the same thing as Bundy nine months ago.

    At a Juneteenth event in Newport News, E.W. Jackson, the Republican candidate for lieutenant governor, said slavery did not destroy black families, but government welfare programs launched in the 1960s caused them to deteriorate.

    Speaking before a small crowd Wednesday at King-Lincoln Park, not too far from where the first African slaves entered the Colonies, Jackson referred to his great-grandparents, who were slaves and sharecroppers in Orange County.

    “I am a direct descendent of slaves. My grandfather was born there to a father and a mother who had been slaves. And by the way, their family was more intact than the black family is today,” Jackson said.

    “I’m telling you that slavery did not destroy the black family, even though it certainly was an attack on the black family. It made it difficult,” he said.

    [...]

    Jackson claims that new welfare programs created in the 1960s caused the deterioration of black families.

    “The program that began to tell women, ‘You don’t need a man in the home, the government will take care of you,’ (and) that began to tell men, ‘You don’t need to be in the home, the government will take care of this woman and will take care of these children,’ ” he said.

    “In 1960, most black children were raised in two-parent, monogamous families,” Jackson said. “By now, by this time, we only have 20 percent of black children being raised in two-parent, monogamous families with a married man and woman raising those children. It wasn’t slavery that did that, it was government that did that, trying to solve problems that only God can solve, and that only we as human beings can solve,” he said.

    http://m.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/virginia-politics/jackson-suggests-welfare-has-been-worse-than-slavery/article_257b8879-1564-5dde-928c-37713a2cd9c1.html?mode=jqm

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  75. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Putin needs to remember to take his meds. ! The ex KGB Lt Colonel and aspiring Dictator ( if he’s not one already ) claims the internet is a CIA plot and wants to start up his own Kremlin based and controlled one.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/24/vladimir-putin-web-breakup-internet-cia

    If you see the photo of Putin on the link definitely seems to have forgotten to take them.

    This’ll get Reid, Ugly Truth, and Andrei etc clucking .!

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  76. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    Laugh for today – Obama says he’d save Putin, if Putin were drowning…

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/204343-obama-i-would-save-putin-from-drowning

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  77. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “MMP is the greatest danger to our society.”

    We would have little democracy if we didn’t have MMP. National would rule as it did during FPP.

    MMP is far more engaging and public tolerant that gives a far broader voice to the electorate which National fears and dispises.

    The media originally tried to trivialise and demean MMP. They have given that up. The public voted to keep MMP.

    MMP works.

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  78. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    stephieboy , what a good little parrot you are faithfully repeating what the zionist puppet Obama told you to say.

    If the US really gave a shit about areas of land being annexed and international law being broken they would be invading Israel.

    Fact is they will oppose Russia because they enjoy good relations with Iran and the religious supremist state of Israel wants to destroy Iran.

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  79. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    ” Rogernomics = Labour ? ”

    Rogernomics was the brain child of both Labour and Nationa MP’s in a co opted party called Act which proved both sides work together in the shadows.

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  80. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    scotto chrisoe has choked

    No, unlike you I have the balls to admit a minor mistake. Anyways, whether or not he used the word nigger is largely immaterial given the subtext to his red-neck rhetoric.

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  81. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Kea,

    Am sorry I didn’t include your’s in the list along with Reid, UT and coy but it’s good to see it has got you also “clucking”
    Pray tell me w,hen do you anticipate the ‘ religious supremacist state of Israel” proposes to destroy the Theocratic Dictatorship of Iran.”
    Timeline please.?
    We can take it Putin’s proposal for his own controlled Internet gets you full stamp of approval.?
    Yes.?
    PS Is it true that in your absence from KB you’ve negotiated a direct hotline to Putin and the Kremlin via Telepathy. ?

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  82. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Again, Scott, what his this got to do with his being in favour of small government?

    It’s just a childish smear.

    You’ve got some growing up to do.

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  83. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Fletch, the difference is, as far as I know, no one has tried to make a hero out of E.W. Jackson.

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  84. Sofia (856 comments) says:

    Celebrity chef Nigella Lawson is not barred from the United States, and did not need special permission to enter New Zealand, Immigration New Zealand says.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/9974995/Nigella-gets-special-direction-to-work-in-NZ

    However the item on stuff.co doesn’t at the same time indicate if Labour’s Immigration spokesperson, Rajen Prasad, will apologize to Nigella Lawson … in fact it doesn’t mention Prasad at all.

    Why is Shane Jones the only person in Labour who can get anything right?

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  85. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,731 comments) says:
    April 26th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    And what does someone like Rand Paul, The Tea Party or you propose to do with the Ukraine crises.?
    D Day styled invasion of the beaches of Crimean holiday resorts or ,far easier ,press the Nuclear button.?

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  86. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Wingnut meeting

    wart Kea, all in red, fletch et al have one thing in common

    They don’t like reality getting in the way of their rhetoric.

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  87. cha (4,008 comments) says:

    Yes, they have leased the land for generations and then decided to stop paying the grazing fees.

    Too funny.

    His cattle, until recently, roamed freely on land managed by the federal Bureau of Land Management. Before the roundup that sparked protests, confrontations and gunmen taking a bridge, Bundy explained his “ancestral rights” to the I-Team.

    “I’ve lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements,” Bundy said.

    Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy’s parents bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.

    Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn’t start grazing on that land until 1954.

    The Bureau of Land Management was created 1946, the same year Cliven was born

    http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come-under-scrutiny

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  88. wiseowl (887 comments) says:

    I support the candidate selection process used by National but an ex CS First Boston man for Wairarapa? I have no doubt he is a great guy.

    National needs a more diverse range of candidates or they will end up with too many money men (who are not businessmen) and shiny arses who do not represent middle New Zealand.

    Just like Labour have the wrong mix.

    Overall we are ending up with MP’s who don’t represent small business,the average kiwi , farming and provincial New Zealand.

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  89. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    So J Key has given permission for the US to assassinate a Kiwi citizen.

    Soon he or another leader, now the precedent has been set, will use drones to assassinate Kiwi’s in NZ.

    That’s how Keysnian Socialism works, bit by bit until we get the mess we’re in now and privatisation in so many area’s fleecing our wealth while the poor get blamed for govt privatisation agenda’s.

    Privatisation govt’s are evil.

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  90. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “Overall we are ending up with MP’s who don’t represent small business,the average kiwi , farming and provincial New Zealand.”

    Absolutely.

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  91. Fletch (6,359 comments) says:

    stephie, a republican wouldn’t have let it get that far. To take away the standing and moral threat of the U.S and to go around apologizing. To use “being nice” as a foreign strategy. No one is scared of the US threat anymore. Not Iran, not Russia – in fact, Obama is still giving Russia access to U.S weapons and training.

    http://www.designsonthetruth.com/?p=18799

    Oh, and the latest, the White House knowingly let arms into the Middle East, into the arms of its enemies.

    After a seven-month study of the events surrounding 2012′s Benghazi attack, the Citizens Commission on Benghazi determined that it could have been prevented if the United States hadn’t allowed $500 million in weapons to be transported to Al Qaeda militants in Libya a year earlier.

    ‘The United States switched sides in the war on terror with what we did in Libya, knowingly facilitating the provision of weapons to known al-Qaeda militias and figures,’ Clare Lopez, a member of the commission and a former CIA officer, told MailOnline.
    *
    She blamed the Obama administration for failing to stop half of a $1 billion United Arab Emirates arms shipment from reaching al-Qaeda-linked militants.
    *
    ‘Remember, these weapons that came into Benghazi were permitted to enter by our armed forces who were blockading the approaches from air and sea,’ Lopez claimed. ‘They were permitted to come in. … [They] knew these weapons were coming in, and that was allowed..

    The report stated that top officials, including those from the White House and Congress, knowingly and deliberately allowed the weapons, which were originally intended for Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi, to be delivered to al Qaeda militants in Libya in an attempt to overthrow Gaddafi.
    The report’s sources, including Retired Admiral Chuck Kubic, said that Gaddafi was actually willing to negotiate stepping down peacefully, but that the White House refused to let the Pentagon negotiate with Gaddafi.
    Had the Obama administration done so and blocked the weapons from entering al Qaeda’s hands, the attack on Benghazi may never have happened, and countless lives would have been spared.
    So, what difference does it make? In my opinion, quite a bit.

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/132087-bombshell-report-obama-admin-allowed-al-qaeda-arms-deal-prevented-benghazi

    Obama doesn’t have a clue.

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  92. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    A touching item caught my eye last night. Seven sharp ran some excellent items commemorating Anzac Day..Included was the one below about a more recently fallen soldier Corporal Like Tamatea killed in action Afghanistan’ His mother Lynne O’Brien tells us about his son and the what he stood for- Courage , Strength, a strong belief in freedom and choices.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp

    Nice one seven sharp.

    Luke Tamatea did not die in vain. His was a noble and just cause.

    Lest We Forget.!

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  93. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    stephieboy, I guess it is just a fluke that every single country unsympathetic to Israel is under attack by the US ? Yeah Right !

    I suppose you are one of those who think AIPAC is a conspiracy theory, even though its influence on American foreign policy is well known and is in no way hidden? No one gets to the reigns of power in the US without the nod of the Jewish lobby.

    I will say this however: Most Jews do NOT agree with these wars. When ordinary Jewish folk are polled they frequently have views that differ markedly from those promoted by AIPAC and other lobby groups. It is much the same story in Israel.

    I do not expect you will change your position and will continue to parrot propaganda from the US. All I ask is that you stop pretending this is an informed view you arrived at after consideration of the facts.

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  94. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    “And what does someone like Rand Paul, The Tea Party or you propose to do with the Ukraine crises.?”

    How about nothing ?

    It is none of their business. There is far worse going on in the world that is being totally ignored.

    “PS Is it true that in your absence from KB you’ve negotiated a direct hotline to Putin and the Kremlin via Telepathy. ?”

    No but I speak daily with a Russian who lives in the Region. Also frequently with a person in Tehran and a Jew living in South America. Amazing how these ordinary folk have so much more common sense than you.

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  95. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    paulus

    Anzac Day not forgotten.

    In today’s ODT there’s a review of a new book out by Prof Jackson…..basically terrorists are terrorists because evil white westerners turn them into terrorists. It’s all my fault.Unfortunately It’s not on the net,but this is……..

    http://www.odt.co.nz/campus/university-otago/254342/attitudes-war-argued

    Look at the photo,the Dr is wearing a white poppy.No surprises there.

    These profs from “Centres for Peace and Conflict Studies” are nothing more than cultural marxists ,if not outright marxists.

    I’m appalled that my taxes pay these parasites salaries.

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  96. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    Thanks Fletch. Good outline of Bengazi.

    Hillary still needs to be accountable.

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  97. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    I’m appalled that my taxes pay these parasites salaries.

    Are you appalled that billions of US tax dollars are spent funding radical Muslim extremists in order to destablise those countries unsympathetic to Israel ?

    Are you “appalled” that the US does not care for its poor and sick but borrows trillions to pay terrorists and spread war ?

    Or do those things not bother you (as much as Peace) ?

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  98. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    The US “does not care for it’s sick and poor”?

    Kea ,the attention seeking troll is back,spreading lies and nonsense .

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  99. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    spreading lies and nonsense .

    Katie, Unfortunately the internet has exposed people like you for what you are. Your type no longer control the information we receive. We have a choice of propaganda now from all sides. We also have people who are free to express genuine opinion.

    The day of the god-addled war monger is fading.

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  100. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Kea, old sunshine.you’ve consistently attempted to overstate the influence of AIPAC as the link below irrefutably proves. With President Obama Israel and AIPAC has not got what all it wants from the U S over e.g. sanctions and Iran etc.
    Stop dreaming up and fantasying about this and other related International Jewish / Israeli conspiracies to control the world.
    Focus instead on your beloved Theocracy Iran and Dictatorship Syria. Or how about Hokam Haram In Nigeria for something fresh.

    http://www.salon.com/2012/03/08/obamas_aipac_trifecta/

    BTW since you were booted off KB you’d have had time to draw up a time line for the imminent Israel -US invasion and occupation of Syria.
    Progress to date.?
    I take it your alleged friends in Russia etc have assisted you with the time line and believe in the International Israel / Jewish Conspiracy .? Or do they share you paranoid delusions ?

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  101. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Are you appalled that billions of US tax dollars are spent funding radical Muslim extremists in order to destablise those countries unsympathetic to Israel ? Are you “appalled” that the US does not care for its poor and sick but borrows trillions to pay terrorists and spread war ?”

    I’m appalled that anyone is stupid enough to make these statements and then expect to be taken seriously.

    I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that “Kea” has never lived in the US, and gets all her/his info from the internet.

    Boring.

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  102. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “I guess it is just a fluke that every single country unsympathetic to Israel is under attack by the US ? ”

    France is under attack by the US?

    Do the French know? :)

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  103. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    The day of the God addled war monger is fading?

    Hmmm, let’s see……

    Turkey,Syria,lebanon,Gaza,Egypt,Iraq,Iran,Pakistan,Sudan,Somalia,Eritrea,Kenya,Yemen,Libya,Afghanistan,Algeria,Tunisia,Mali,Niger,Chad,CAR,Thailand,Burma,Southern Philippines…….

    I’d say the God addled war mongers were just warming up.

    Then there’s Boston,Bombay,Drummer Rigby,Madrid,London,New York…….

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  104. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    jockro chrisro

    Nah yo din’ make a small mistake yo deliberately lied.Yo’ make shit up to “tar”nish de people yo do’ like.Yo try an’ blacken dat good man’s good name.Yo a denigratin’ kinda guy.

    Dat’s call lyin’.

    Now youse tryin’ to cover up.

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  105. Lucia Maria (2,417 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Your 11:31am post is tainted, since it’s the opinion of a writer whom Iranian TV consider worthy to print. Even then, the opinion itself is worthless given Russia’s actions of the past few months – it’s very hard to do a hatchet job on a country that is just so blatantly aggressive, that there’s very little that could be done to make what they are doing worse.

    I mean, seriously, the take over of government buildings in Eastern Ukraine by men who are just so clearly military (check out the short back and sides), and the threats from Russia that if these men are harmed by Ukrainian authorities (who have every right to call them terrorists and remove them by force), that Russia will consider that a pretext for invasion. Fantastic.

    You know those snipers that killed the protestors on the Maidan were Russian trained and ordered by the previous President to fire, and that there are documents in his abandoned Presidential Palace that indicate he had been in direct communication with Putin over it? No wonder Putin is working so hard to destabilise Ukraine, because when it all comes out clearly as to what he’s been doing in recent months, all the propaganda in the world isn’t going to be able to keep making him and Russia look like victims. All his new-found tinfoil hat friends, except for the most loopy, will abandon the cause of his defense.

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  106. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Fletch , you’ve got to stop posting propaganda and lies about the alleged Benghazi Conspiracy and cover up . The bogus findings of the the so called commission on Benghazi are exposed here with Fox News getting egg on its face ,admitting it and the ” commission ‘ got it all wrong,

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/02/12/fox-host-finally-accepts-the-truth-about-bengha/198030

    Once again what do you or the tea party specifically propose to do about the Ukraine.?
    Do you and the TP have any clues.?

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  107. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Reid, Your 11:31am post is tainted, since it’s the opinion of a writer whom Iranian TV consider worthy to print.

    Lucia:

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-
    witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the
    simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if
    he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of
    doubt, what is laid before him.”

    ― Leo Tolstoy

    Once you unplug yourself from the matrix then you recognise that what you think has been happening in the world for many years even centuries have been complete lies, but you’ve got to unplug yourself first and that takes a willingness on your part to adopt an attitude different to what Tolstoy refers to in the latter part of his comment. Andrei has done so on Russia, not sure about other things but he’s done it on Russia. I wonder what the answer would be if you were to ask yourself genuinely and I mean really genuinely, whether you really are truly willing to entertain the possibility that Andrei and I and others are right about Russia, or whether you’ve already decided what the answer is.

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  108. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Once you unplug yourself from the matrix”

    Translation: “Lucia, you have provided facts and reasonable arguments, but I don’t care about those, because I have Gnostic powers of discernment to know the real truth, and no amount of facts and reason will sway me.”

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  109. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    How to tell a Gnostic from a Christian.

    1. Claims the world is an illusion controlled by an evil deity.

    2. Claims special, elitist insight into the true nature of the world that most other do not share.

    3. Sees the world in starkly Manichean/duslistic ways.

    4. Hates the Jews, and sees them as part of a global conspiracy.

    5. Ignores orthodox Christian theology in favour of fringe psuedo-theology

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  110. Lucia Maria (2,417 comments) says:

    Reid,

    I’m not in the Matrix, I’m in the real world. Neither am I slow-witted, which I think you might have figured by now out in all these years that we have been conversing on and off.

    Andrei is a patriot, therefore his opinions don’t offend me as much as others do.

    Shawn,

    Good comments there.

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  111. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Reid, how does Tolstoy ‘s quote work with a deluded conspiracy theorist like you .?
    For example ,tell us more about the matrix world you apparently inhabit.?

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  112. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Neither am I slow-witted, which I think you might have figured by now out in all these years that we have been conversing on and off.

    I know you’re not Lucia, that’s why I referred to the second part of the quote not the first, since I thought that was the bit which applied to you.

    Of course with Shawn and stephie, it’s the first bit that’s more relevant.

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  113. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    The Matrix film was heavy on Gnostic ideas, which is why Reid refers to it so much.

    There is something of an irony however with Reid using a film series in which the good guys called the last human city on earth Zion.

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  114. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Turkey,Syria,lebanon,Gaza,Egypt,Iraq,Iran,Pakistan,Sudan,Somalia,Eritrea,Kenya,Yemen,Libya,Afghanistan,Algeria,Tunisia,Mali,Niger,Chad,CAR,Thailand,Burma,Southern Philippines…….

    Katie you fell for it :) You are of course right.

    All these countries are under attack to please the zionist Jew. The zionist Jew is cowardly and will not fight for itself. All I ask is that you do not make out that Muslims are the violent ones.

    Pop Quiz. Which religion:

    1. Has a strict dress code ?

    2. Demand a strict moral code enforced by violence ?

    3. Demands genital mutilation of infants ?

    4. Grows big beards to please god ?

    5. Won’t eat pork and has other strange dietary customs ?

    6. Attacks Christians on a regular basis ?

    7. Believes Christians should not be in their country ?

    8. Believes the state of Israel should NOT exist ?

    If you guess Jews you would be right. I am talking proper religious Jews here, not the fake ones you are familiar with Katie.

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  115. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Andrei is a patriot, therefore his opinions don’t offend me as much as others do.

    Lucy admits that facts have nothing to do with her views. It is about how she “feels”.

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  116. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Popcorn time when squawk and spawn start

    how soon?

    sweep

    Griff gives 48 hours

    till 75% of gd is squawk and spawn spewing at each other

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  117. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Mean while in Gods special favourite place his chosen ones show those intolerant Muslims how its done, as reported in a leading Israeli news service…

    Woman in Beit Shemesh attacked by ultra-Orthodox extremists

    In latest incident sparked by ‘immodest dress,’ crowd of ultra-Orthodox men smash car of Natali Mashiah, 27, who says she believes they were going to set her on fire.

    A woman was attacked in her car in Beit Shemesh Tuesday by ultra-Orthodox extremists – the latest in a series of incidents apparently sparked by what members of the town’s Haredi community view as immodest dress.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/woman-in-beit-shemesh-attacked-by-ultra-orthodox-extremists-1.409065

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  118. stephieboy (3,004 comments) says:

    Name the Poison … Pat Condell has it spot on again how Islam denigrates,abuses and strips them of their basic rights such is the logical consequences of the implementation of Sharia Law whether mild, warm or red hot in its variants . The bottom line is that Women in these and other Islamic courts simply do not have any rights.
    Yes ,kea there are extremist Orthodox groups in Israel and elsewhere But Israel does not operate Sharia Courts and strip women of their fundamental rights as in Iran, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, Bokum Harum, the Taliban etc,

    ‘There are many reasons why the religion of Islam impoverishes western society, but the main one, in my opinion, is that it degrades and debases women, except, of course, for left-wing women, who happily degrade and debase themselves defending Islam, like turkeys defending Christmas. A woman in Islam needs to be covered from head to toe because men are not expected to exhibit any kind of basic self-control. I get a lot of correspondence from angry Muslim males and I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve been told that western women are asking to be raped because of the way they dress. No other religion teaches people to think like this. Recently here in Britain, we’ve had a rash of Muslim gangs pimping and raping young girls in northern England. I do mean Muslim gangs, and not Asians, as the media keep reporting. There are no Sikhs or Hindus involved in this, and to call them Asians to avoid naming the real problem is a slander on Hindus and Sikhs. These men do it because they regard non-Muslim women as subhuman trash. And this poison is coming directly from their religion, a religion whose values are dictated and imposed by some of the most narrow-minded, psychotic human beings on this planet. And, coming as I do from an Irish Catholic background, believe me, that’s saying something…..”

    Do you practice Sharia at home.??

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  119. Lucia Maria (2,417 comments) says:

    Kea,

    Lucky she doesn’t live in Muslim country where she might have escaped the extremists and gone home to be killed by her family because of the shame.

    Andrei is a patriot, therefore his opinions don’t offend me as much as others do.

    Lucy admits that facts have nothing to do with her views. It is about how she “feels”.

    That’s not what that says. Translation: how I feel about the views of the person has everything to do with where they are coming from.

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  120. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Here comes the special pleading for the master race.

    You lot do not hold the values you pretend to have. If you did you would not be making excuses for this sort of thing.

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  121. Lucia Maria (2,417 comments) says:

    Reid,

    You know, I think I’ve figured out why you like the tainted sources. You can’t trust them, but then neither do you trust your own views, so you’re hedging your bets. That Gnosticism of yours has influenced even how you talk to people (ie me) mixing truth with untruth. You don’t think I’m slow-witted, yet you give me a quote that half applies to me and half doesn’t. That’s just really screwed up.

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  122. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Arab victim ‘stabbed 10 times by haredim’
    Christian Arab assaulted near Safed says ‘Jews’ racism against us has reached point of real violence’

    “They threatened to shoot us if we resisted and stabbed me 10 times – in my head, my leg, and my neck,” he told Ynet.

    Halul, a 22-year old Christian Arab from the Galilee town of Gush Halav, was assaulted while with a group of friends at Ein Zeitim forest, near Safed.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4045047,00.html

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  123. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    stephieboy here is another one for you. I know your a fan of Pats.

    Your faith is a joke

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  124. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Yats tries to ratchet up Cold War II by announcing WWIII…
    http://www.blacklistednews.com/There._He_Said_It%3A_%22World_War_III%22/34743/0/0/0/Y/M.html

    …while Obama racks up yet another massive failure in the Asia pivot dept…
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/25/obama-fails-japan-trade-deal

    …and helpfully bans himself from re-entering the US, which should be a great relief to everyone with any clue whatsoever.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/obama-signs-law-banning-himself-entering-us

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  125. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Hi Griff!

    No, I have no intentions of dealing with the Jew haters and anti-American nutters tonight. It get’s boring pretty quickly. And Kea is clearly a troll, so no point wasting time with her/him/it.

    You and I have more in common than you might think. It explains a lot.

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  126. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    The US “does not care for it’s sick and poor”?

    Well, at the risk of providing some objectivity. I think the US does care about the sick and poor in a caring sort of way, but they don’t seem to care enough to put progressive ideology aside to create a system where their sick and poor are actually cared for.
    The Affordable Healthcare Act aka a nationalised health system just isn’t working. There are millions and millions without cover and without Drs. It is a disaster but Obama and the Dems won’t back down and admit it.
    It’s like some of the clear evidence Fletch has provided whereby welfare dependency has made life so much worse for blacks. Shit, 20% only of families are couples! All those single parent children heading for failure.
    They might care alright but they are killing them with their “kindness”. If they truly cared they would put politics aside and implement pragmatic solutions which work. The internal political war in the US combined with over reach by the government, the continued financial failure and decline of the middle class is killing the country.

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  127. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    All_on_Red, I did not go into detail as it was not my central point. They have a fine medical system for those who can afford it. My point is that there is a lot of social deprivation in the US, yet they spend trillions to please Israel. The nonsense – war on terror- is nothing more than a Jewish crusade with the US as its proxy.

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  128. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:

    http://arcadianomegafunctor.blogspot.co.nz/

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  129. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Wow Griff is taking an interest in science. Makes a change :)

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  130. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Kea
    I realise that. I try to see the balance. There are bad things about Israel and good. I probably lean towards being a supporter of Israel mainly because I see more evil in the way Islam is used for evil purpose.
    There is hypocrisy in every government and country. It’s sad, but it’s the way it is.
    We are very lucky here in NZ that we have someone like Key who I think tries to steer a course which will effect good for NZ ers. He has to maintain power to do that so that means compromise.
    But he’s pragmatic and because of that we are slowly making gains.
    Too many governments are now infested with so called elite politicians, many trying to promote dynasty ( cough Hillary and Jeb Bush and even in the UK- Putin too the way he keeps changing jobs)
    Government servants are also too closely tied to politicians. Look at Holder, look at the State Dept, heck look at the way in the UK politicians have been captured by public servants pushing renewables. Which often suits the politicians because they also have financial interest in renewable manufacturers.
    It’s going to end fucking badly if a clean out doesn’t occur.
    Meanwhile the middle class can’t get jobs, their kids have educations which are either useless or they can’t use, the rich get richer because they have the cash to buy asserts and the assets are going up because of inflation and the middle class slide back to being poor.

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  131. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    All_on_Red, I tend to agree with all of your observations in that post.

    I even prefer the Jews over the Muslims. What you see me calling to account [on KB] is the hypocrisy, double standards, and the suspension of logic, on religious matters.

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  132. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Kea
    Yes, some of the discussions here on religion should be recorded and kept as examples why our State should always be secular.

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  133. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    All_on_Red, I wonder if our resident religious folk are so fanatical in real life ?

    I rarely debate religion in real life and have many religious friends. I debate it a bit with one guy, but he is a minister so he is fair game.

    I have Christian, Jewish, Hindu, buddhist and Muslim friends. All know I am an atheist. I think they pity me, but we never fight :)

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  134. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    That isnt a science link kea is it its a link to mental marni who also uses the name of some random parrot and is a well-known internet troll.

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  135. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    griff:

    1. I am not a woman.

    2. I am not a lesbian.

    3. I am not suffering from depression.

    4. I am not that smart with physics.

    5. I am not Marni.

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  136. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Never said you were marnie kea

    1. Marnie is not a woman its a thing.

    2. I am not a lesbian. never said you were love

    3. I am not suffering from depression. nope just phsco

    4. I am not that smart with physics. nether is Marnie

    5. I am not Marni. nether is Marnie

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  137. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    “is a well-known internet troll.”
    From someone who two days ago got 20 Demerits for being a troll and has been banned before because of it. Cognitive dissonance much?

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  138. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Griff, are you still bobbing around the (rising) ocean in your yacht with 1000kg of hash as ballast, festooned with windmills and solar panels ?

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  139. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Yes, some of the discussions here on religion should be recorded and kept as examples why our State should always be secular.

    Being secular is part of the reason why the state is corrupt.
    But I agree that the state’s involvement in matters of religion should be minimal, religion and politics don’t mix well.

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  140. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    all in red

    soooky soooky sooky

    Griff makes me look like an idiot… I hate Griff

    :lol:

    wingnuts

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  141. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Ugly, okay so which religion should we adopt to fix the corruption problem you mentioned ?

    Just name it.

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  142. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Something to watch: Blair: The Inside Story

    Note to mm, I’ve just started watching it so I can’t answer any questions about it. Just in case you read this.

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  143. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    The Taxpayer in you and your beneficiary. Ngai Tahu Forever.

    Ngai Tahu greed appears to know no bounds and there is no sign that the flow of cash from taxpayers to the tribe is likely to end. Part two of this three-part series shows that the wealthy South Island tribe has been receiving settlements for 146 years.

    http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/bruce-moon-ngai-tahus-river-of-cash.html

    When can I join their clan?

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  144. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, okay so which religion should we adopt to fix the corruption problem you mentioned ?

    Simple theism, the belief that a divine creative being exists.
    Fixing the problem involves recognising the natural rights which arise from this, eg the rights to life and liberty.

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  145. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    UglyTruth, okay but different theists have varying ideas about rights.

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  146. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Theism is not required to live a moral life, or to construct a viable form of government and legal system.

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  147. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Simple theism, the belief that a divine creative being exists. Fixing the problem involves recognising the natural rights which arise from this, eg the rights to life and liberty.

    Sorry, but that is a total non sequitur.

    In the specific case of the biblical deity, Yahweh, for example, there is certainly no right to liberty. Slavery is actually legalised.

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  148. SGA (1,017 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (3,162 comments) says:
    April 26th, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    Ugly, okay so which religion should we adopt to fix the corruption problem you mentioned ?
    Simple theism, the belief that a divine creative being exists.

    Is your simple theism what some people call deism? If not, I’m not sure what “simple theism” is.

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  149. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Missed this Kiwibloggers?

    Seems that New Zealand is not only ‘soft’ on foreign bribery?

    http://www.oecd.org/newzealand/new-zealand-not-immune-from-foreign-bribery.htm

    New Zealand not immune from foreign bribery, says OECD

    17/10/2013 – New Zealand must significantly increase its efforts to detect, investigate and prosecute foreign bribery.
    Since joining the Convention over 12 years ago, New Zealand has not prosecuted any cases of foreign bribery and only four allegations have surfaced to date.

    Outdated perceptions that New Zealand individuals and companies do not bribe may have also undermined detection efforts.

    The OECD Working Group on Bribery has just completed its report on New Zealand’s implementation of the Convention of Combating Bribery of Foreign Public Officials in International Business Transactions and related instruments. Recommendations made by the Group to improve New Zealand’s fight against foreign bribery, include:

    Broadening the possibilities for holding companies liable for foreign bribery and ensuring they face significant sanctions for this crime;
    Addressing gaps in the Crimes Act regarding the foreign bribery offence;
    Strengthening New Zealand’s capacity to detect, investigate and prosecute foreign bribery through law enforcement training;
    Raising greater awareness of the risks of foreign bribery and of channels for reporting allegations to law enforcement; and
    Ensuring the non-tax deductibility of all bribe payments, including those paid through intermediaries.

    The report also highlighted positive aspects of New Zealand’s efforts to fight foreign bribery. New Zealand has broadened the range of confiscation tools under its legislation and assets derived from foreign bribery can now be confiscated by the new Police Asset Recovery Unit without waiting for the outcome of criminal proceedings. It has also adopted a comprehensive whistleblower protection law and made efforts to encourage and facilitate whistleblowing. Steps have also been taken to review the framework for mutual legal assistance to ensure requests for information from foreign countries are effectively addressed.

    The Working Group on Bribery – made up of the 34 OECD Member countries plus Argentina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Colombia, Latvia, Russia and South Africa – adopted New Zealand’s report in its third phase of monitoring implementation of the OECD Anti-Bribery Convention.

    The Report, available here, lists all of the recommendations of the Working Group to New Zealand on pages 45 – 50, and includes an overview of recent enforcement actions and specific legal, policy and institutional features of New Zealand’s framework for fighting foreign bribery. The Working Group invited New Zealand to submit a written report in six months on progress made in establishing the liability of legal persons for foreign bribery and every six months thereafter, if needed. As with other Working Group members, New Zealand will submit a written report to the Working Group within two years on steps it has taken to implement the new recommendations. This report will also be made publicly available.
    ……”

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  150. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    penny bright

    scroll food

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  151. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    ….”okay so which religion should we adopt to fix the corruption problem you mentioned ?”…..

    Pastafarianism holds the key. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/65t8sbaaecut2wr/Pastafarian%2014.jpg

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  152. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    In the specific case of the biblical deity, Yahweh, for example, there is certainly no right to liberty. Slavery is actually legalised.

    At common law a man can be alienated from his right to liberty, but not without his consent.
    The Judaic law on slavery wasn’t universal, it was part of a covenant with a particular group of people.

    The logical step from simple theism to the Mosaic law involves either being a party to the covenant or abiding by the common law, although the common law does not include all of the Mosaic law.

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  153. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I suggest a religion were you worship Griff be giving him your money in exchange Griff will guarantee a happy afterlife with harps and naked virgins. all other details requested can be assured by suitable cash payments

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  154. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    You really crave attention don’t you Griff. What was it? 9000 posts of abuse. Sad really.

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  155. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    UglyTruth, you seem confused. You started off telling me [just] a belief in something was all that was required. Now you reference one religion out of thousands.

    Common law is nothing to do with a Middle Eastern cult. The term comes from the Court of Common Pleas in England. And why should English law apply universally ?

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  156. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Griff will guarantee a happy afterlife with harps and naked virgins.

    Praise be to Griff. I will give my heart to Griffith :)

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  157. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Is your simple theism what some people call deism? If not, I’m not sure what “simple theism” is.

    I used the term “simple theism” to refer to the belief that a divine creative being exists.
    Deism implies the idea of deity, i.e. that a relationship exists between a divine being and mankind or a group of people.

    I didn’t introduce the idea of deity because I was looking for a minimalist belief system that would solve the existing problem without introducing a raft of new ones.

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  158. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    It would never work Griff. Most of the Godnutters we see here are looking forward to the eternal lakes of burning excrement, sulphur & sodomy they’ve already been promised. :)

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  159. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    nasska, LOL :)

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  160. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Virgins are no fun.
    “Tears are not a lubricant for anal sex”
    Jimmy Carr

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  161. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    All_on_Red, That is brilliantly confronting :)

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  162. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Another JC special
    ” I was an alter boy when I was young. Didn’t like it. On my knees, stand up, sit down, why can’t they just pick a position and fuck me!”

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  163. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    don’t want your heart kea just cash in unmarked bills please.

    All in red
    blubblubblub Griff is nasty to me :lol:

    Wingnut baiting is much more fun if you moan like fucked pussy for months after because I pissed you off. .

    keep it up

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  164. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    All_on_Red
    Did you mean ‘altered’ boy?

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  165. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    moan like fucked pussy for months after…

    You boys are on fire tonight. This is quality stuff :)

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  166. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Griff
    You don’t piss me off. You have a different view than I about Carbon Dioxide going to cause a 4-6 K rise in temperature within 85 years.You have proved there’s no point debating it with you. So I don’t.
    I usually ignore you but am feeling sympathetic today. Actually I think we both know there are some things we agree on.

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  167. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    All_on_Red, Griff heats his home using gas from sheep farts. *It is based on peer reviewed science.

    * Only works on sheep owned by white people living in capitalist countries.

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  168. SGA (1,017 comments) says:

    UglyTruth at 6:15 pm

    I used the term “simple theism” to refer to the belief that a divine creative being exists.
    Deism implies the idea of deity, i.e. that a relationship exists between a divine being and mankind or a group of people.

    I’m not sure Deism is what you think it is –
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
    read the Overview and Features, for example.

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  169. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Mikey
    Yeah, altered indeed. I do think Mr Carr is a great comedian and can recommend a you tube binge.
    Oops, just killed the thread.

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  170. Lucia Maria (2,417 comments) says:

    Well, this will be of interest to those here tonight:

    Want a Good Look at Putin’s Pervy Propaganda? See ‘The Furies of Maidan’

    [A] real “investigative report” … aired last Saturday on NTV, one of Russia’s major television networks. Subtitled “Sex, Psychosis, and Politics,” the 30-minute feature makes .. the .. point … that the displaced energy of sexually frustrated or pathological women was a driving force behind Ukraine’s Euromaidan revolution. In the dramatic words of the 45-second promo: “They like it hard. They are turned on by danger. And woe to anyone who fails to appreciate them.”

    Yep, the Russians are being fed propaganda on TV that tells them that sexually frustrated women are being all the problems in the Ukraine.

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  171. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    If I didn’t piss you off you wouldn’t be moaning like a fucked pussy every day.

    Griff blubblubblub……. makes me :lol: when you watatwat and right really do it.

    Simple

    If you had balls you would have discussed the RSS record and its implications rather than running away every time I asked you to explain the upper stratosphere cooling.

    It about time you stopped reading crap by Dr Roy Spencer the god whacked creationist and climate change bullshit artist.

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  172. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    sexually frustrated women are being all the problems in the Ukraine.

    Thanks for that info Lucy.

    I am happy to do my bit for world peace with the Ukraine ladies.

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  173. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Yep, the Russians are being fed propaganda on TV that tells them that sexually frustrated women are being all the problems in the Ukraine.

    Fortunately Russians are very well educated so they’re unlikely to become as confused as some NZ women clearly have by swallowing whole such transparent memes.

    They’re probably watching this for example. They have a very good sense of humour too.

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  174. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Reid, Eastern European women are way smarter than Kiwi girls. Especially smarter than those who belong to a cult where sex is portrayed as dirty and sinful, to such an extent they pray to a woman who lied about how she got knocked up.

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  175. SGA (1,017 comments) says:

    Lucia Maria at 6:43 pm

    Yep, the Russians are being fed propaganda on TV that tells them that sexually frustrated women are being all the problems in the Ukraine.

    Novel justification for a need for russian soldiers in the region.

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  176. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    Perhaps we should volunteer for the Russian front. :)

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  177. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Lucy does have a point. Russia is very conservative and Christian. They have attracted enormous international condemnation for their conservative Christian stance on homos and other matters.

    Thanks Lucy for reminding us why ignorant bronze age cults have no place in the modern world.

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  178. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The term comes from the Court of Common Pleas in England.

    What is your source for that, Kea?

    The hundred courts predate the Court of Common Pleas.
    http://vi.uh.edu/pages/bob/elhone/comcrts.html

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  179. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Well that didn’t appear to work very well Lucia. One thing I’m pretty sure of though. We’re all looking forward to your next post.

    They have attracted enormous international condemnation for their conservative Christian stance on homos and other matters.

    Yes for some reason they think marriage should remain between a man and a woman. Hence Pussy Riot and the Western MSM decided to learn them courtesy of George Soros for such disastrous philosophies by desecrating Moscow’s Cathedral of Christ the Savior. I think there’s a major Western Church who thinks the same thing, but I may be wrong. Maybe Lucia knows.

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  180. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Just to be clear my second para was an edit, so the upticks may not reflect actual Karma opinion.

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  181. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    they think marriage should remain between a man and a woman.

    Lucy is vocally opposed to that. I like woman too, but was surprised to learn Lucy does also. She always did strike me as a very sexual woman. Often those sort are experimental. I tend to be conservative in my habits.

    Each to his/her own I say :)

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  182. Lucia Maria (2,417 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Since when have you cared what Nasska and Kea thought?

    There was no desecration of the Cathedral by Pussy Riot – it was a prayer to Mary to remove Putin. All done in a regrettable style but then it’s easy for us to judge from here, given that we aren’t ruled by mobsters.

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  183. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Source: The American Conservative

    An unfortunate legacy of the Cold War is the negative attitude some American conservatives yet harbor toward Russia. Conditioned for decades to see Russia and the Soviet Union as synonymous, they still view post-communist Russia as a threat. They forget that Tsarist Russia was the most conservative great power, a bastion of Christian monarchy loathed by revolutionaries, Jacobins, and democrats. Joseph de Maistre was not alone among 19th-century conservatives in finding refuge and hope in Russia.,,,

    American conservatives should welcome the resurgence of a conservative Russia.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/russias-right-turn/

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  184. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    There was no desecration of the Cathedral by Pussy Riot

    Great. I will try the same in your church. What times service tomorrow ?

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  185. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Kea, the Russian commies hated Russian homos, they exploited foreign homos persecuted by the Christian West as spies.

    Russians hate homos, they do not need a communist party or a Christian church to do so.

    The only Russian leaders to experiment with same sex acts were the daughter of Peter the Great and Catherine the Great, whereas the less than great Rus Putin only has his dwarf boy (his understudy, the only man they could find in Russia that makes Putin look big).

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  186. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I’m not sure Deism is what you think it is –
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
    read the Overview and Features, for example.

    Never trust Wikipedia for anything important…

    The origins of deism from Lord Edward Herbert of Cherbury:

    1. There is a Supreme God.
    2. This Sovereign Deity ought to be worshipped.
    3. The connection of Virtue and Piety … is and always has been held to be the most important part of religious practice.
    4. The minds of men have always been filled with horror for their wickedness. Their vices and crimes have been obvious to them. They must be expiated by repentance.
    5. There is reward and punishment after this life.

    http://www.sbnr.org/a-brief-history-of-deism.html

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  187. Lucia Maria (2,417 comments) says:

    12 noon, Kea. Look forward to seeing you there.

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  188. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Lucy, can I sit next to you ?

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  189. Lucia Maria (2,417 comments) says:

    Absolutely.

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  190. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Lucy, brave girl.

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  191. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    from Lord Edward Herbert of Cherbury:

    Ugly, why does Ed’s ramblings have any more authority than Jake the Rubbish Collector ?

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  192. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    You bloody con artist Kea…..sneakiest way to set up a first date I’ve ever seen. :)

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  193. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    There was no desecration of the Cathedral by Pussy Riot – it was a prayer to Mary to remove Putin.

    I can’t be bothered discussing it Lucia because it’s a side issue that I’m not terribly interested in tonight, suffice to say if you really think the video below shows them praying, then I’m glad I’m not a Catholic. I imagine the horrified onlookers weren’t really worshippers, perhaps they’d just bought tickets to the “prayer” and they didn’t think their money had been well spent.

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2012/november/sacrilege-is-real.html

    http://www.beesondivinity.com/sacrilegeisreal

    http://en.gazeta.ru/news/2012/04/23/a_4560005.shtml

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  194. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    nasska, yeah but it turns out she swings a bit. I always thought she would be a wholesome red blooded woman who liked real men. I bet she is gorgeous though ;)

    Almighty God and Creator, You are the Father of *all people on the earth.

    Guide, I pray, all the nations and their leaders in the ways of justice and *peace.

    Protect us from the evils of *injustice,* prejudice, exploitation, *conflict and war.

    *Help us to put away mistrust, bitterness and hatred. *Teach us to cease the storing and using of implements of war. Lead us to find peace, respect and freedom.

    “Unite us in the making and sharing of tools of peace against ignorance, poverty, disease and oppression.

    *Grant that we may grow in harmony and friendship as brothers and sisters created in Your image, to Your honor and praise.

    Amen.

    * Does not apply to billions of Muslims.

    http://www.nzconservative.blogspot.co.nz/

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  195. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, why does Ed’s ramblings have any more authority than Jake the Rubbish Collector ?

    In commerce, the truth is sovereign.

    Kea, did you not provide any source for you assertion that the term “common law” comes from the Court of Common Pleas in England because you were talking out of your arse at the time?

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  196. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    Probably doesn’t apply to members of the other sects either Kea.

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  197. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Reid, be patient with Lucy. She is still struggling with her pagan past. I just hope in the name of all that is good and holy she does not start running around naked and lustful when I turn up to mass tomorrow.

    Pray for me Reid :)

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  198. SGA (1,017 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (3,167 comments) says:
    April 26th, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    I’m not sure Deism is what you think it is –
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
    read the Overview and Features, for example.
    Never trust Wikipedia for anything important…
    The origins of deism from Lord Edward Herbert of Cherbury:

    With just a little more reading, you’ll get a richer picture (but then again, you’ll probably grasp only that which already matches your preconceptions, and that’s the ugly way)

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  199. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Pray for me Reid

    Only if you promise not to do it again Kea.

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  200. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Kea, did you not provide any source for you assertion that the term “common law” comes from the Court of Common Pleas in England because you were t

    For the same reason I did not give a source for the meaning of the word “the”.

    Court of Common Pleas, English court of law that originated from Henry II’s assignment in 1178 of five members of his council to hear pleas (civil disputes between individuals), as distinguished from litigation to which the crown was a party. This group of councillors did not immediately emerge as a body distinct and separate from the curia regis (“king’s court”). It remained a part of that court and traveled with it until Magna Carta required that civil jurisdiction be assigned to a body convening at a designated place, at which time it settled in Westminster Hall. In 1223 the court began to maintain separate rolls, and in 1272 it acquired a chief justice.

    During the later Middle Ages, Common Pleas was the most active though not the highest of the common-law courts; it included within its jurisdiction not only almost all civil litigation but also the supervision of local and manorial courts as well. Its judgments, however, were subject to review by the Court of King’s (Queen’s) Bench.

    Beginning in the 15th century, Common Pleas was engaged in competition with the Court of King’s Bench and the Court of Exchequer for common-law business. The result was an accumulation of many complicated and overlapping jurisdictional rules. By the 19th century the multiple form of writs and competing jurisdictions had become unbearable, and the Judicature Act of 1873 brought about a replacement of the three common-law courts, as well as the assumption of equity jurisdiction, by the Supreme Court of Judicature, which remains today as the court of general jurisdiction in England and Wales.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/128597/Court-of-Common-Pleas

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  201. Lucia Maria (2,417 comments) says:

    Reid,

    What Pussy Riot’s ‘Punk Prayer’ Really Said

    Virgin birth-giver of God, drive away Putin!
    Drive away Putin, drive away Putin!

    Black frock, golden epaulettes
    Parishioners crawl bowing [toward the priest, during the Eucharist]
    Freedom’s ghost [has gone to] heaven
    A gay-pride parade [has been] sent to Siberia in shackles

    Their chief saint is the head of the KGB
    He leads a convoy of protestors to jail
    So as not to insult the Holiest One
    Woman should bear children and love
    Shit, shit, the Lord’s shit!
    Shit, shit, the Lord’s shit!

    The “golden epaulettes” call to mind KGB officers and military dress uniforms, and the juxtaposition with “black frock” is no accident. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, many Russian Orthodox priests were denounced as having collaborated with country’s most feared spy agency. In fact, the current Patriarch Kirill I stands accused by journalists, the Helsinki Group (a prominent Russian human rights organization), and, of course, Pussy Riot, of working with the KGB. (In her court statement, now free band member Yekaterina Samutsevich referred to him as Putin’s “former colleague.”) The group chose the cathedral as their locus of protest because, again according to Samutsevich, it had been “used openly as a flashy backdrop for the politics of the security forces.”

    A second self-explanatory choral refrain then follows:

    Virgin birth-giver of God, become a feminist!
    Become a feminist, become a feminist!

    Which segues back into lines about politics and corruption:

    The Church praises rotten leaders
    The march of the cross consists of black limousines
    A preacher is on his way to your school
    Go to class and give him money!

    Patriarch Kirill has moved the Church ever closer to the Kremlin and, ahead of presidential elections last March, openly called on Russians to vote for Putin. The “march of the cross” refers to the ceremony (krestnyi khod, in Russian), enacted during Easter celebrations, in which parishioners form processions and carry crosses from local churches around town. Intended as a sincere expression of faith, the march has been corrupted, Pussy Riot implies, both by the Church’s proximity to political power and by the Yeltsin-era privilege it once enjoyed (by presidential decree) to import luxury cars (as well as tobacco) duty-free. Hence the reference to “black limousines.”

    Patriarch Gundyay believes in Putin
    Would be better, the bastard, if he believed in God!
    The Virgin’s belt won’t replace political gatherings
    The eternal Virgin Mary is with us in our protests!

    Virgin birth-Giver of God, drive away Putin!
    Drive away Putin, drive away Putin!

    Patriarch Kirill’s secular surname is Gundyayev. The Patriarch called Putin “a miracle from God” in his endorsement, thus making clear his faith in him. The Russian word used for my “bastard” was suka (bitch), which can’t apply to a male subject, so I’ve made the corresponding change. The “Virgin’s belt” seems to refer to the holy relic, the “Belt of the Blessed Birthgiver of God” brought from Mount Athos in Greece to the Cathedral some months before Pussy Riot’s performance there. Thousands lined up in fierce cold to pay it homage, many in the hope that the sash purportedly worn by the Virgin while she was carrying Jesus might cure their ailments. Pussy Riot was, thus, saying “Don’t look to God for help, you’ve got to get out on the streets and demand change!” The import of the next line is clear: The Virgin Mary, who is purported to stand with the downtrodden (and not, presumably, with institutions allied with authoritarian regimes), must, in Pussy Riot’s view, support them in their fight for justice.

    Where’s the desecration exactly, now that the context has been broadened from what your links give? And how can there be any desecration if you don’t believe in religion, thinking it to be man-made?

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  202. nasska (11,468 comments) says:

    Two Unicorns were on Noah’s Ark when one said to the other, “Hi, I’m George.”

    The other replies, “Pleased to meet you George, I’m Arthur.”

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  203. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    Lucy needs a HUG :)

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  204. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    What is COMMON LAW?

    As distinguished from the Roman law, the modern civil law, the canon law, and other systems, the common law is that body of law and juristic theory which was originated, developed, and formulated and is administered in England, and has obtained among most of the states and peoples of Anglo-Saxon stock. Lux v. Haggin, 69 Cal. 255, 10 Pac. 674. 2. As distinguished from law created by the enactment of legislatures, the common COMMON LAW 227 COMMON PLEAS law comprises the body of those principles and rules of action

    Law Dictionary: What is COMMON LAW? definition of COMMON LAW (Black’s Law Dictionary)

    Kea, did you not provide any source for you assertion that the term “common law” comes from the Court of Common Pleas in England because you were talking out of your arse at the time?

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  205. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    American conservatives should welcome the resurgence of a conservative Russia.

    I for one am happy to agree that American conservatives want exactly the kind of thing for the USA that Putin has delivered for Russians.

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  206. OneTrack (3,088 comments) says:

    NBR headline – “Parker wants big tool”

    We needed to know that.

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  207. Kea (12,777 comments) says:

    I for one am happy to agree that American conservatives want exactly the kind of thing for the USA that Putin has delivered for Russians.

    Praise be Jesus !

    The article I quoted was cut n’ paste from the American conservative. They are rather fond of Putin.

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  208. All_on_Red (1,581 comments) says:

    Lucy
    It seems that the extent of your argument is because of religious grounds America Good, Russia Bad.
    Stunning.
    Did it occur to you that many think that both are evil corporate government controlling media bias driven liars whose politicians cheat and lie for personal advancement?

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  209. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    With just a little more reading, you’ll get a richer picture (but then again, you’ll probably grasp only that which already matches your preconceptions, and that’s the ugly way)

    Yeah, so people have different opinions about what deism is.
    What is your point?

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  210. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Kea’s version: “As distinguished from law created by the enactment of legislatures, the common COMMON LAW 227 COMMON PLEAS law comprises the body of those principles and rules of action”

    The actual text: “As distinguished from law created by the enactment of legislatures, the common law comprises the body of those principles and rules of action, relating to the government and security of persons and property, which derive their authority solely from usages and customs of immemorial antiquity, or from the judgments and decrees of the courts recognizing, affirming, and enforcing such usages and customs”

    Are there some inconvenient facts abut the common law that you would rather ignore, Kea?

    http://www.actsinjunction.info/glossary.html

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  211. Lucia Maria (2,417 comments) says:

    All_on_Red,

    It seems that the extent of your argument is because of religious grounds America Good, Russia Bad.
    Stunning.

    And where did I make that argument?

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  212. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Bring on the tears. Cunnliffe tries hard.

    Speech to Young Labour Conference, Wellington, 26 April 2014.

    You know, becoming the leader of a political party is a bit like becoming a first-time parent.

    Children are like pirated software: they don’t come with a manual. Neither do political parties.
    – See more at: http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/70468-a-new-zealand-new-zealanders.html#sthash.7AyReSjr.dpuf

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  213. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    When you have dried your hankies here’s another view.

    The departure of prominent Labour MP Shane Jones this week confirms that a Labour-Greens coalition stands for no growth and fewer jobs, Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce says.

    Speaking at the National Party’s Lower North Island Regional Conference in Masterton this morning, Mr Joyce says Jones’ departure speaks volumes about the Labour-Greens policy prescription for New Zealand.

    “Shane Jones has obviously realised that it is better to leave politics altogether than to stay for his best case scenario of being the Economic Development Minister in a government opposed to economic development. His comments this week have made that clear,” Mr Joyce says.

    Mr Joyce says Jones’ decision is backed up by the number of anti-growth positions taken by the Greens, and by large elements of the Labour Party.

    “They are opposed to the dairy industry, growth in farming more generally, oil and gas exploration, aquaculture, free trade agreements, international investment, 90 day trials, faster resource management decisions, and tax policies that reward people for working hard and getting ahead,” Mr Joyce says.
    – See more at: http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/70453-labourgreens-no-growth-coalition-confirmed.html#sthash.cYXWXdbG.dpuf

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  214. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    We need some of this round here.

    http://screencast.com/t/4EuS06xp

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  215. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Union welcomes sale of paper mills to Japan

    Updated at 6:45 pm today

    New Zealand’s biggest private sector union is welcoming the sale agreed by Carter Holt Harvey and Japanese interests.

    Kinleith pulp & paper mill, Tasman pulp mill in Kawerau and Penrose paper mill are being sold to Japan’s Oji Holdings Corporation, and the state-backed Innovation Network Corporation of Japan.

    The sale is worth $1.037 billion.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/242614/union-welcomes-sale-of-paper-mills-to-japan

    http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=186093&cat=976&fm=newsmain%2Cnarts

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  216. Reid (16,440 comments) says:

    Last time I talk about this. Boring.

    Where’s the desecration exactly, now that the context has been broadened from what your links give?

    So let’s get this perfectly straight.

    You deny you’re in the matrix.

    I give you a matrix operation and you don’t get it. (If you hallucinate it was just something that accidently happened, then how pray tell do you explain the instant global media pickup and ongoing coverage from what was a 1.5 minute event in an obscure church during daytime visiting hours which has now generated itself into a cause celebre? (I mean if this really happened in the real world then why don’t you get some sluts to make a similar video in St Mathews church in Akld, and see what happens? Think it’ll flash round the world?) Get a clue. Learn how these things work. Otherwise you’re a child in the playground. Sometimes it’s a matrix operation and sometimes it’s not, but if you don’t even know how they work, as you clearly don’t, then how the heck are you ever going to discern the difference?

    And how can there be any desecration if you don’t believe in religion, thinking it to be man-made?

    I don’t think religion is man-made Lucia and I never have. I’m not a Gnostic, that’s an accusation from an arrogant man with a theology degree who can’t understand how anyone can criticise the govt of Israel and yet still love Jews. That’s his problem but because he’s arrogant and has a theology degree he intellectualises an explanation to himself because he can’t hold two opposing concepts in his head at the same time and still continue to function.

    But being unwilling to admit that to himself because he’s arrogant he then proceeds to do a most un-Christian thing in that without even knowing me and never having met me he then broadcasts his false conclusion reached through his own arrogance (just like pharisees did) which is bad enough but then some people like you who also don’t know me and have never met me pick it up.

    Did you lookup those biblical references I gave the other day BTW? If you did, you’ll see my position equates to Jesus’ position. Same people Lucia, different time. Like I said, get a clue.

    Yours in Christ.

    With love, blessings and forgiveness.

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  217. SGA (1,017 comments) says:

    UglyTruth at 8:31 pm

    Yeah, so people have different opinions about what deism is.
    What is your point?

    My original question, of course. What distinguishes your “simple theism” from what’s normally accepted as deism? I’m curious, is all. To me it looks a little as if you are trying to reinvent the wheel, in a manner of speaking.

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  218. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “I’m not a Gnostic,”

    Yes, you really are.

    “that’s an accusation from an arrogant man with a theology degree”

    Having a theology degree means I know Gnosticism when I see it.

    “who can’t understand how anyone can criticise the govt of Israel and yet still love Jews.”

    You don’t merely criticise the Israeli govt, you condemn it’s very existence, and you condemn all Jews who are Zionists, which is the vast majority, to being “Satanic Thugs”. You only “love” a tiny number of Jews who suit your anti-Jewish and anti-Zionist ideology.

    “That’s his problem but because he’s arrogant and has a theology degree he intellectualises an explanation to himself”

    You mean I use reason and genuine Christian theology to expose your Gnosticism and Jew hatred. I’m sure you think that arrogant, but the arrogance is all yours in perverting the Faith and the Bible to publicly promote your hatred of Israel and most Jews.

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  219. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    FYI – The Teenage Zionist Mutant Nepalese Ninja Freedom Fighters are Gnostic.

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  220. Left Right and Centre (2,973 comments) says:

    calendar girl – I typed your name correctly. The man’s name is Jack Tame – not Tane.

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  221. Left Right and Centre (2,973 comments) says:

    Growing grapes for pissheads in rich countries. What a great use of arable land.

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  222. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    My original question, of course. What distinguishes your “simple theism” from what’s normally accepted as deism?

    Deism represent a more complex set of ideas, and some of the ideas about deism are contradictory.

    I’m curious, is all. To me it looks a little as if you are trying to reinvent the wheel, in a manner of speaking.

    All I’m doing is describing a minimalist set of beliefs necessary to remedy the corruption of the state. Simple theism fits the bill, and the recognition of the natural rights or life and liberty follow as logical developments of this idea.

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  223. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Having a theology degree means I know Gnosticism when I see it.

    Non sequitur. You have a habit of trying to redefine language to fit your doctrine, Shawn.

    You mean I use reason and genuine Christian theology to expose your Gnosticism and Jew hatred.

    I’ve already shown you how reason is inconsistent with your Christian theology. You’ve already lied you way out of Reid’s argument about your inconsistency in applying the label of anti-semite.

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  224. SGA (1,017 comments) says:

    UglyTruth at 9:15 am

    My original question, of course. What distinguishes your “simple theism” from what’s normally accepted as deism?

    Deism represent a more complex set of ideas, and some of the ideas about deism are contradictory.

    OK, but in what way are the ideas of what’s normally accepted as deism more complex than “simple theism”. Sorry, but this important distinction isn’t at all clear to me.

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  225. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Deism may or may not reject sacred texts and prophetic revelation in favour of a purely rational description of the nature of the relationship between man and deity. Simple theism says nothing about prophetic revelation.

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  226. SGA (1,017 comments) says:

    UglyTruth at 9:26 am

    Deism may or may not reject sacred texts and prophetic revelation in favour of a purely rational description of the nature of the relationship between man and deity. Simple theism says nothing about prophetic revelation.

    My understanding is that most deists reject sacred texts. So, is “simple theism” that sort of deism? Or does “simple theism” leave the door open to prophetic revelation. If the latter, isn’t “simple theism” more complicated than what most deists believe. Sorry, I’m still finding “simple theism” a somewhat elusive concept.

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