General Debate 30 April 2014

April 30th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. jp_1983 (227 comments) says:

    Today’s history lesson

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  2. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Kerry, the liar, is in a sticky spot:
    http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/ap_ae9792204bc448b2afb780abe555b00e

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  3. srylands (414 comments) says:

    With some reservations, on balance I would favour compulsory Kiwisaver.

    However I think Labour has munted the debate by linking the scheme to monetary policy. I was luke warm yesterday but having thought about it overnight it will never work. The thing with the OCR is that it is quick, responsive – it can go up and down. Can you see that happening with Kiwisaver contributions? If they go up to 5% are you going to bring them back down to (say) 3% as an instrument of monetary policy even if that conflicts with your savings objective?

    The whole idea is crazy.

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  4. flipper (4,218 comments) says:

    Is it not amazing how the MSM are united in their ignorance and proclaim that the cunners/noddy policy is an excellent move????

    But will it wash with “Waitakere man” ???

    One son in law, mid 30s, read the detail and proclaimed: ” F*** them. When will they get off trying to tell me how I should spend my hard earned money ??”

    Needless to say he has opted out of KS, and does his own thing.

    Once the detail of the policy sinks in, it will be seen as little more than snake oil. But will the MSM protect the lie?

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  5. Paulus (2,668 comments) says:

    flipper

    Labour have said that Kiwisaver will be compulsory for all workers, so your son in law will have to suck it up, against his wishes.
    many others feel the same – get Government out of peoples lives.

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  6. All_on_Red (1,647 comments) says:

    Manolo
    “John Kerry is attempting to walk back his smear of Israel as an “apartheid” state. That the current secretary of state is a clownish figure has been well known for decades. But what should not be lost in the latest gaffe is that it is not a gaffe. In what he foolishly thought was a safe place to let his hair down, Kerry merely gave voice to what the Obama administration thinks. “Apartheid” trips easily off his tongue because it is part of the Islamist narrative that the administration has internalized.”

    http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2014/04/29/kerry-echoes-his-boss/

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  7. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    On principle I’m against compulsion.
    If during his working life someone is stupid enough not so save for retirement and later years, then the person deserves his fate.

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  8. Pete George (23,686 comments) says:

    Economists are saying the exchange rate and inflation will be affected little if at all, and that savings will partly slosh from one alternatives to Kiwisaver so may not be huge.

    And that’s far too complex for ordinary wage earners to understand or care about.

    The biggest and by far the most noticeable effect effect will be a move to compulsory Kiwisaver (but Labour say they may exempt some low earners!) and increased Kiwisaver contributions. Less money in the hand and less choice is what most will judge the policy on.

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  9. All_on_Red (1,647 comments) says:

    “The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way. The liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro’s friend and benefactor, and by winning the friendship and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political football game. Politically the American Negro is nothing but a football, and the white liberals control this mentally dead ball. Through tricks of tokenism and false promises, and they have the willing cooperation of Negro leaders. These leaders sell out our people for just a few crumbs of token recognition and token gains”

    Malcolm X

    Leftist liberals in NZ’ s attitude to Maori and Pasifika ? Ironically Malcolm later displayed some racist attitudes of his own , but the point stands.

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  10. flipper (4,218 comments) says:

    Paulus…..

    Yep…Quite correct.
    As I say, that will piss off Waitakere msn… and as some one pointed out yesterday, the OCR can (and does) go up and down, and has little effect on the vast majority of NZer’s. But, I agree with the correspondent who doubted that a compulsory KS rate hike will ever be reversed. Ergo, it is the old “one and six” in the Pound “social security” tax, under another name.

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  11. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    The Donald Serling “controversy” is shocking .

    The NBA now fine him millions and want him to sell his business over a privately expressed opinion.

    The NBA commissioner (Kommisar) says basketball has inclusive ,diverse,multicultural and multiethnic values…….

    …..really ? Could a blind ,deaf,retarded dwarf play on a professional team?How’s that for “inclusion” or “diversity’.

    Cultural marxism rules all.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11246388

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  12. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    See slimeball Little having a go at farmers. This greasy bastard was thrown out of New Plymouth, a rural area, topped up with gas. The same little mongrel is controlling members of the journos’ unions throughout the country, and they publish and pollute the air waves basically, with what he and his goons tell them.

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  13. All_on_Red (1,647 comments) says:

    Kowtow
    Sterling is an idiot and has displayed racist behaviour for years. He should have been censured by the NBA long before this over some very public actions and statements. I see it was an illegal recording too. Not much outrage about that.Set up my his girlfriend perhaps? I guess she gets to keep the $2 mio apartment, the two Bentleys, the Ferrari and the BMW.
    Or was it the ex wife who wants to seize all that back…

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  14. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    Kerry has apologized for his “apartheid ” remarks and even his fellow Democrat Senator Barbara Boxer has referred to the notion of Israel as an apartheid state as nonsensical and noting that Israel, as we all know,is the only viable democracy in the Middle East.But as Kerry has observed , unless a two state solutionn is found, the country is in danger of being divided into two separate warring hostile factions,

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/29/john-kerry-apologises-israel-apartheid-remarks

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  15. Pete George (23,686 comments) says:

    From David Parker’s speech:

    Distributional and hardship effects for the lower paid would need to be considered, but could be accommodated in the detail of how the variable rate was applied.

    Labour would ensure that everyone was treated fairly.

    https://www.labour.org.nz/sites/default/files/issues/eu-parker-speech.pdf

    From the detailed policy document:

    5.12 The New Zealand Labour Party is proposing that the existing KiwiSaver scheme become a universal work place savings scheme. This would be achieved by making KiwiSaver compulsory, with exceptions limited to those which apply to the Australian scheme.

    https://www.labour.org.nz/sites/default/files/issues/eu-mp-policy.pdf

    So there would be some exceptions. I’ve seen somewhere that they would also tighten up on payment holidays and withdrawals for extreme hardship.

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  16. Pete George (23,686 comments) says:

    Here’s the Australian exemptions:

    5. Exemptions

    An employer is not required to provide superannuation contributions to the following categories of employees:
    – employees receiving a salary/wage of less than $450 (before tax) in a calendar month
    – employees under 18 years of age working less than 30 hours per week
    – non-resident employees paid for work done outside Australia
    – resident employees paid by non-resident employers for work done outside Australia
    – employees receiving salary and wages under the Community Development Employment Program
    – some foreign executives holding certain visas or entry permits under the under the Migration (1993) Regulations
    – employees earning above the maximum super contribution base – super is not paid on the portion of income above the maximum super contribution base
    – employees paid to do work of a domestic or private nature for not more than 30 hours a week, (eg part-time nanny or housekeeper)
    – members of the army, navy or air force reserve for work carried out in that role
    – eligible employees who made a choice, prior to the abolition of reasonable benefit limits, to not receive employer super contributions because their accumulated super benefits exceeded the pension reasonable benefit limit
    – employees temporarily working in Australia who are covered by a bilateral super agreement – employers are required to keep a copy of the employee’s certificate of coverage to verify the exemption.
    – non-resident employers are not required to provide SG for resident employees for work they do outside Australia.

    Note: employees aged 75 years and over used to be exempted from the requirement, however from 1 July 2013 there is no longer an age threshold.

    http://www.workplaceinfo.com.au/payroll/superannuation/superannuation-guarantee#5

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  17. itstricky (1,900 comments) says:

    If during his working life someone is stupid enough not so save for retirement and later years, then the person deserves his fate.

    If we put aside the fact that you like to play the personal responsibility “everyone is stupider than me” card every day, KS is not strictly about retirement savings. The enforcement is to get money into alternative investments rather than just the family home. Because if everyone plowed all money into just property, and nothing else, it is to the disadvantage of the nation, not just the individual.

    Again, I wouldn’t expect you to understand that given your me me me attitude, but just try and dwell on it for a little while at least.

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  18. KiwiGreg (3,259 comments) says:

    @itstricky because choice is bad. If people are allowed to make their own choices they might not do what the state wants. Must be tough for you when people vote the wrong way too.

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  19. dime (10,120 comments) says:

    “it is to the disadvantage of the nation, not just the individual.

    Again, I wouldn’t expect you to understand that given your me me me attitude, but just try and dwell on it for a little while at least.”

    lmao, ya know what else is a huge disadvantage to the nation?

    lazy pieces of shit who dont like to get out of bed and live on the bene

    or skanky bitches who pop out kids every couple of years.

    but try and guide them onto a new path and its “beneficiary bashing”

    “Because if everyone plowed all money into just property, and nothing else, it is to the disadvantage of the nation, not just the individual.”

    and nothing else? where has that happened ever?

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  20. EAD (1,326 comments) says:

    @ itstricky

    do remember that the unlimited cradle to the grave Welfare State was NOT the idea of the people – they did not wake up one morning and say to themselves “let us vote ourselves money”.

    The people of NZ have been told (as in all major Western nations) by the intellectual elite (the education system and so on) that setting up “social insurance” systems was wise and sensible – and the media supported this also.

    The people just went along with it – even today the government spends a lot of money and effort PUSHING its welfare schemes (getting people to sign up for “what they are entitled to”).

    Would the people go along with restricting this (ever increasing) spending – or have the people got used to it? Come to depend on it?

    Now there is the problem……

    The decline of Civil Society (of voluntary associations looking after old age, health care and so on) and the rise of the state – not for a few unfortunate people (as in the 19th century), but seeking to provide all the basic things in life for the vast majority of people.

    And the state can not provide the basic things in life for the majority of people – it is not possible, that is the true source of the future societal crises, of which even the financial crises (the fiat, fractionally reserved monetary system – which no longer is based upon real savings) is only a sign.

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  21. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    Wellington has spent tens of thousands “rebranding” their logo because a bunch of cultural marxists can’t tell the difference between a Christian cross and a plus sign.

    The new logo has a maori slogan included,nice. I don’t expect them to rebrand that logo if a few “racists” object to the inclusion of maori.

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  22. All_on_Red (1,647 comments) says:

    Stephie
    The only reason Kerry is apologising is because he got caught.

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  23. Rich Prick (1,729 comments) says:

    Compulsory KiwiSaver, with the Government setting the contribution rate, having the ability to change the age you can access your savings, and God-forbid, having an ability to nationalise the whole thing …. it all looks awfully like a tax in sheep’s clothing to me.

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  24. itstricky (1,900 comments) says:

    If people are allowed to make their own choices they might not do what the state wants

    Please note that I did not speak of compulsion. Mearly corrected Manolo’s statement that the (proposed) Government was forcing him/her to do something because “everyone else is too dumb to save”. That’s not actually the full truth.

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  25. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    All on Red , that’s correct but his unfortunate comment is nothing compared to this extraordinary gaff by clueless Sarah Pallin who suggested that to alleviate the debt crisis the US could consider selling Alaska back to Russia,

    http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-most-ridiculous-sarah-palin-quotes-ever/pt_tesla?format=SLIDESHOW&page=3

    Did she aplogise for it.? Of course not.!This is election politicking afteralll , isnt it.?

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  26. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Peters doing a bauble suck already . . . endorsing fiscally illiterate Parker’s Labour monetary policy. He is a disgrace to our Parliament, his party needing to be wiped out in November.

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  27. itstricky (1,900 comments) says:

    It all looks awfully like a tax in sheep’s clothing to me

    How is it a tax if it is still your money and you get it all back + gain (eventually)?

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  28. dime (10,120 comments) says:

    “Compulsory KiwiSaver, with the Government setting the contribution rate, having the ability to change the age you can access your savings, and God-forbid, having an ability to nationalise the whole thing”

    Dime has almost 30 years before he would be eligible to claim kiwisaver.

    That means Dime would have to get through 30 years without some shit head politician scumbag nationalising kiwisaver.

    Dime does not like those odds.

    Also, Dime aint waiting til hes 65 to retire.

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  29. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    Big changes coming in the UK,all for the better.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10796941/Nigel-Farage-could-become-MP-within-weeks-after-Mercer-quits.html

    Interesting how a remark by one candidate in UKIP gets the whole party branded as racists(by the cultural marxist MSM of course) ,but a corrupt Tory doesn’t get the whole party branded as thieves! Maybe there’s been so much corruption among MPs ,we’ve simply come to expect it of them.

    The race card seems to be the only one to play these days.

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  30. noskire (842 comments) says:

    Today’s quiz on Stuff is causing some real headaches in the office. Apparently there is one word in the English language that ends in mnt.

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  31. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    EAD, your full of zero hedge type waffle and a poor knowledge and understanding of NZ History.The first Labour government won a landslide with a decisive mandate for welfare reform , reconfirmed by another decisive mandate in the subsequent election .The voters understood clearly the issues and they even got both farmer and business leaders support to boot.It had little or nothing to do with your so called iintellectual elite.
    The voters here have decisively rejected nutty Libertarian solutions, of the kind you advocate , as the abysmal showing of Libertariannz in 2011 amply demonstates as it’s subsequent dissolution .

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  32. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    He should have been censured

    All_on_Red ,

    1. What other opinions and views do you think should be censured ?

    2. Who will decide what is allowed to be said or thought ?

    3. What degree of force are you comfortable with to impose your view on others ?

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  33. Ross12 (1,456 comments) says:

    I heard Susan Wood interviewing a Green MP about their proposed RMA policy changes. The Green MP was going on about the amount of forest/bush lost to developments especially in Canterbury for dairy farm development. Wood quite correctly asked about the amount of replanting of natives being done by farmers and said that had to be balanced against any losses. The Greenie just ignored the question and continued her preprepared rant.
    When will the Greenie’s learn that most people care about the environment in one way or another but when they hear them behaving like this, they just turn the general public off ?

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  34. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Good on Farage and UKIP for rocking the boat. Cameron and co. are scrambling, while Labour sticks to its socialist roots.

    Another reason why the UK round of the EU Parliamentary election in May promises to be interesting.

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  35. twofish (104 comments) says:

    New Zealand Federation of Family Budgeting Services chief executive Raewyn Fox said …”The people who don’t have mortgages will be in effect subsidising the economy for the people who are obtaining an asset by buying a house. …We see a lot of people now who just can’t make ends meet. Many of them were not in KiwiSaver. Take another 9 or even 5 per cent away from them, they’ll go under.”
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11246479

    Where are a few figures? – like how many are with mortgages and would be assisted and by how much?
    how many are retired and own a house already
    how many aren’t in Kiwisaver and would have to join?
    Is it all just for exporters, like farmers?

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  36. dishy (248 comments) says:

    Is there much point in running the ruler over Labour’s new economic policy until we know the views of the Greens? Labour can’t implement it without the Greens’ support. Who knows what they will want to do to it? And we might not find out until after the election. This is less of a criticism of MMP, and more of a criticism of how unnatural bedfellows like Labour and the Greens (and their mates!) behave ahead of general elections.

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  37. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (346 comments) says:

    Mr Parker said Labour would allow those on low incomes who entered the scheme to gradually increase their contributions so they were not forced to contribute 6 per cent immediately.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11246479

    And already –
    Labour’s background information says “distributional and hardship effects for the lower paid” stemming from the variable savings rate could be addressed by excluding lower income earners.

    contradicts Parkers statement above – would “lower income earners” be IN or OUT?

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  38. EAD (1,326 comments) says:

    I’m going to do a stephie here and link to the authoritative Metapedia to find out more about her beloved John Kerry:

    John Kohn (born 11 December 1943), better known under his nome de goy as John Forbes Kerry, is a Zionist Jew in the United States who presents himself to the world as a “progressive” politician with the Democratic Party.

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  39. Sofia (867 comments) says:

    Compulsory Kiwisaver

    How many people understand how Mana and Internet Party can share Party Lists?
    The Electoral Commission say they won’t be having a campaign to explain it

    Similarly how many people understand how this Labour policy will work, or will just be totally turned off?
    Labour will have to spend most of their campaign explaining it

    Or will we have a “public initiated” referendum because they won’t have a mandate?

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  40. Linda Reid (417 comments) says:

    Doesn’t Winston Peters want to confiscate all the Kiwisaver funds and direct where they are invested?

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  41. sbk (313 comments) says:

    Once again,Stephie, when faced with the unpleasant realitiy of the Obama Admin,uses the sad same old tactic….shift the attention…never mind the fact,that Palin didnt utter the word… nor has anything do with the current process.

    so Kerry apologised…”it was still said”…the damage is done.

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  42. Yvette (2,849 comments) says:

    To be effective, the Labour’s compulsory saving contributions rate would have to vary –
    Hey, what’s the open road speed limit just now, or how much am I earning?

    Fucked if I know, what month of the year is it?

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  43. dime (10,120 comments) says:

    MING THE MERCILESS is going to be in the new Star Wars :)

    Happy

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  44. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Is there much point in running the ruler over Labour’s new economic policy until we know the views of the Greens?

    The communist Greens are lovers of compulsion, so it is almost a foregone conclusion that comrade Norman (chubby Turei does not matter) will endorse Parker’s plan, a cleverly disguised tax.

    From the same bastards who claim to defend the average NZ worker. What a cheek!

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  45. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    Steffie

    I can’t be arsed trawling through that cultural marxist propaganda/muck you posted about S Palin. Where does she say sell Alaska to the Russkies?

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  46. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    @kowtow: Do not waste your time. Stephie, a progressive feminist, is Obama’s fan number 1, who has his own Messiah shrine.

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  47. All_on_Red (1,647 comments) says:

    Dime
    I was being specific about Sterling and had in mind his actions in refusing to allow Blacks into apartment buildings he owned- amongst other clear and public racist actions.(Google) He actually could have had action taken against him for that as there are discrimination laws. My main point was perhaps- why now? The NBA are more than a tad hypocritical and are really just pandering to the mob.
    Personally I am in favour of free speech as sunlight is the best disinfectant. If you don’t like what Sterling says, don’t go to the games I reckon.

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  48. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    manolo

    Yep steffie is all that. But he has made a very specific claim.He must now back it up.

    All on Red

    If a man owns property ,surely it is his decision who he admits to it. The coercive state( world wide) has passed a mass of anti private property legislation and there seems to be no end to it.Just because it is passed in favour of one race or another doesn’t make it right.It may be “offensive” to have certain views on race but it should not be a crime.

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  49. ShawnLH (5,757 comments) says:

    Why We Need ‘Dinosaurs’ Like C. S. Lewis: Lewis had a healthy suspicion of easy words like “progress.”

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/april-web-only/why-we-need-dinosaurs-like-c-s-lewis.html

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  50. ShawnLH (5,757 comments) says:

    Donald Sterling is a racist and liberal media are hypocrites;

    “Why would the NAACP honor Donald Sterling with their “Lifetime Achievement Award”? Why would Al Sharpton agree to headline the same dinner honoring a racist like Sterling? Why isn’t MSNBC asking these questions?”

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/04/29/donald-sterling-is-racist-and-liberal-media-are-hypocrites/

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  51. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    @noskire (9.40am): Our ladies here spotted it too – they reckon the word is ‘dreamnt’ – in NZ, we spell it ‘dreamt’ but apparently the other version is also used.

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  52. All_on_Red (1,647 comments) says:

    Kowtow
    I see where you are coming from. This sort of moves into the sphere of whether having laws preventing discrimination is a useful tool in balancing out where those in power use that power to discriminate against those they don’t like – for whatever reason.
    Perhaps our laws go to far in this sort of thing today but remember Once upon a time School Boards would not allow blacks in schools or on buses. There is a place for justice to balance the rights of one vs another.
    Perhaps the pendulum has swung to far today. I certainly see that in many things. Allocating places for Maori in University is one area which springs to mind.

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  53. DJP6-25 (1,389 comments) says:

    Q: What’s the difference between Ozzie Osbourne and John Kerry?

    A: Ozzie Osbourne can’t remember 1968, and John Kerry can’t forget it.

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  54. Jack5 (5,164 comments) says:

    Why wasn’t Finlayson eased out of National in the “rejuvenation”?

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  55. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    More on Adelson.

    Adelson for those who don’t know is the Zionist billionaire who recently held auditions with the four leading GOP candidates in order to determine who the US would be electing as their next President. Jeb Bush is my pick, the US really needs another Bush.

    Unfortunately for Adelson his business partner is under witness protection and is spilling the beans and a Grand Jury is currently considering indictments under the following laws:
    18 U.S.C. § 201 Bribery 18 U.S.C. § 1961–1968 RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act,)
    18 U.S.C. § 1956 Money Laundering• 18 U.S. Code § 1343 Wire Fraud
    18 U.S.C. § 158 et seq. Human Trafficking
    22 U.S.C. § 611 et seq. Violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA)
    26 U.S. Code § 7201 – Attempt to evade or defeat tax

    Of course Adelson is not only a billionaire he’s a dual-citizen zionist billionaire with an extensive political bank account reaching to the highest levels that he can call in at any time. So if things get rough he’ll probably flee to Israel like other criminals where the US won’t be able to touch him since Israel doesn’t extradite its own hatchlings no matter what they’re guilty of.

    Of course he doesn’t want to do that since they aren’t as many attractive shiskas and dumb goys that he can steal from in Israel, but one things for sure, he won’t be spending any time in a Federal prison.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/26/time-running-out-on-nevada-crime-boss-sheldon-adelson-looking-at-options/

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  56. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    On chemtrails, which I don’t know much about, this is interesting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGM

    See, if it was just water coming off the wings then it would hardly hang around as a cohesive trail in the air like the last few secs of the video shows, would it.

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  57. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    Why wasn’t Finlayson eased out of National in the “rejuvenation”?

    I think the intelligent and very astute Mr Finlayson has some years in politics ahead of him.
    It would not surprise me if one day he becomes Labour Lite leader and PM.

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  58. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    dime (8,819 comments) says:
    April 30th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    “Compulsory KiwiSaver, with the Government setting the contribution rate, having the ability to change the age you can access your savings, and God-forbid, having an ability to nationalise the whole thing”

    Dime has almost 30 years before he would be eligible to claim kiwisaver.

    That means Dime would have to get through 30 years without some shit head politician scumbag nationalising kiwisaver.

    Dime does not like those odds.

    Also, Dime aint waiting til hes 65 to retire.
    ================================

    Noble sentiments dime and mostly I would agree with you but life can take funny turns and your life is already at the whim of politicians, whether you like it or not. Everyday they and their mothers little helpers make decisions that will affect you.

    There are literally thousands of Kiwi’s who have had their lives dumped on by political changes and by the bad behavoir of others. Don’t think for one second it couldn’t happen to you. One only had to see and meet people that were left in the garbage heap after Muldoon’s behavoir and the changes that became necessary to put that right. One still meets people of older ages that have been beaten and abused by our system and politics and who have never recovered.

    Don’t think it can’t happen to you.
    Most of those people would have benefited from having a rock solid pension plan as a back stop.
    Even today there are people living on the pension who struggle financially because they have lost all their life’s work.
    Twists of fate, political behavoir and just bad luck or bad behavoir of others will always be part of life.

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  59. ShawnLH (5,757 comments) says:

    Who Is Veterans Today?

    “Here are a number of reviews that exposes Veterans Today.

    It is the opinion of this editor that VT one of a vast network of closet Islamocentric media sites allied with Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Rense, WhatReallyHappened, RussiaToday, Al Jazeera and Iran’s PressTV.

    You don’t need wiretaps to figure out what side these guys are on. They tell you exactly who they are and what they believe and who they are rooting for. They puporting to be be pro-American but actually a psychological warfare unit of the War on Israel, along with the rest of the 9-11/RFK/JFK conspiracy theorist.

    They always stand up for Palestine, always apologize for Al Queda and attack “Zionists” (Israel and Jews) as threats to the world.. These people are not crazy, they are trying to promote a point of view supportive of the Global Islamic Movement.”

    Useful idiots for Islamic terrorists.

    http://hu1st.blogspot.com/2011/12/who-is-veterans-today.html

    Buyer Beware: Veterans Today and its Anti-Israel Agenda.

    “Veterans Today (VT) is a website that bills itself as a “military veterans and foreign affairs journal.” And, indeed, many of its contributors are military veterans or veterans’ advocates from across the political spectrum. VT also offers some information about veterans’ benefits (lifted from the Veterans’ Administration) and links to home and other loans for vets.

    But start reading the posts, and you’ll find something else entirely: myriad claims that there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 (Israel orchestrated it, in cahoots with the American government), that the American government is a puppet (of Israel), that the Holocaust never happened or was greatly exaggerated (Jews made it up to manipulate non-Jews), and, most recently, that Julian Assange, the man behind Wikileaks, is a pawn (of Israel).

    Notice a theme?”

    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda/

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  60. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    The Greenie just ignored the question and continued her preprepared rant.

    To answer a question requires thinking. Parroting is easier.

    Anyway – it’s a one way media soapbox opportunity, isn’t it ? No questions please, we’re Green.

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  61. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    Sweating the small stuff – scroller off for bigger fish . . .

    I am not alone. Andrew Mulligan thankfully also notices all of the same dumb irritating things I do – his one was the disgusting noise of a reality food judge smupping straight down the mic. Right up there with the unbearable licking Prime TV cow for whom I have to mute every single fucking programme start on Prime for just in case it’s the cow . . . hahaha

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  62. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    Broke, hungry man stole sheep for food

    A 21-year-old man took sheep from a paddock and killed them because he had no money for food, the Invercargill District Court has been told.

    He was sentenced to 80 hours’ community work, ordered to pay $116.03 reparation and disqualified from driving for three months.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9990823/Broke-hungry-man-stole-sheep-for-food

    No money but fined plus court costs. Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

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  63. lilman (967 comments) says:

    Starving,no money,sell you car shit for brains,and get a job,cousin in southland has advertised for 3 weeks for worker 800 a week,second weekend off plus house ,got one reply from guy from Auckland,over 50 from asian country families.

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  64. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    “cousin in southland has advertised for 3 weeks ”

    I know people down there who would have taken that job in an instant.

    Maori, so they probably got nowhere

    Employers are still as fussy. Even more so. They can pick and choose as much they they like.

    Pfffffffffffffffffffff

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  65. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    Islamocentric media sites allied with Ron Paul, Alex Jones,

    Alex jones is labelled as a Zionist puppet. Now you saying he’s pro Islamist

    Pfffffffffffffffffff

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  66. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    “MING THE MERCILESS is going to be in the new Star Wars

    Happy”

    Hope he’s a convincing one like the old TV series.

    They absolutely knew how to cast in those days.

    Dime may not be old enough to remember

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  67. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    “Peters doing a bauble suck already . . . endorsing fiscally illiterate Parker’s Labour monetary policy. He is a disgrace to our Parliament, his party needing to be wiped out in November.”

    Haha

    NZF has been around since the 90’s. And you think he’s gonna be wiped out in November.

    You made my day with that joke Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

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  68. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    wiki, one of the great joys of conspiracy theory is to see how fellow CTers squabble amongst themselves.The accusation that Alex Jones is a Zionist shill is but one of them .Then there is 9/11 Truther Dimitri Khaleztov who as I posted earlier demonstrated that Gordan Duff in charge of Veyerans Today by his own admission deliberately sowed disinformation Why VT is the epitome of disinformation,

    http://screechingkettle.blogspot.co.nz/2011/04/debunked-veterans-today.html

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  69. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    ah stephie you’re still here……come on back your assertion that S palin wanted to sell Alaska to the Russians.

    Do that or fuck off as the troll that you are…….

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  70. Fletch (6,496 comments) says:

    New emails have been released to Judicial Watch, months after their request, re: Benghazi, that show a conscious effort was made to blame the internet video in an effort to protect Obama in the upcoming election.

    Scandal: Newly obtained emails on Benghazi show then-U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice was coached by a key White House aide to lie and ignore the facts known and reported on the ground to make the administration look good.

    The fish rots from the head, as the saying goes, and no further proof is needed than a Sept. 14, 2012, email from Ben Rhodes, an assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, contained in more than 100 pages of documents released by Judicial Watch and obtained in a Freedom of Information Act request.

    That email, with the subject line: “RE: PREP Call with Susan: Saturday at 4:00 p.m. ET,” was sent to other key White House staffers such as then-Communications Director David Plouffe and Press Secretary Jay Carney the day before now-National Security Adviser Susan Rice made her whirlwind tour on five Sunday news show appearances to specifically and emphatically blame an Internet video for the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, in which U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other nationals were killed.

    One of the goals listed in the emails was the need for Rice “to underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure or policy.” She was also to “reinforce the President and Administration’s strength and steadiness in dealing with difficult challenges.” Her job was not to tell the truth, but to put lipstick on the Obama administration’s Benghazi pig.

    The documents include a Sept. 12, 2012, email from Payton Knopf, a former deputy spokesman at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, in which Knopf informs Rice that senior officials had already dubbed the Benghazi attack “complex” and planned in advance. Yet Rice would still insist on her TV tour that the Benghazi terrorist attacks were “spontaneous.”

    In early April, former deputy CIA director Michael Morell, who was heavily involved in editing the now infamous talking points, told lawmakers it was Rice, on the Sunday shows, who linked the video to the Benghazi attack and that the video was not part of the CIA analysis.

    The Rhodes email was not part of the 100 pages of emails released by the administration last May, and we can see why. As we noted at the time, that email package showed a successive pattern of edits with White House involvement designed to remove any hint of terrorist involvement to fit the administration’s campaign narrative that the war on terror was over and won.

    Those emails show that Rhodes and National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor were alerted that the intelligence community was drafting talking points that as late as 3:04 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 14, still included references to extremists tied to al-Qaida and an “attack.”

    The terms “al-Qaida” and “attack” were stripped out by 4:42 p.m., and shortly afterward Vietor thanked colleagues for revisions and said they would be vetted “here,” as in the White House. He then forwarded “edits” from John Brennan, the current CIA chief who then was a White House counterterrorism adviser.

    In a White House meeting on Saturday morning, Sept. 15, the CIA, at the direction of the State Department and White House, drafted the final version of the talking points from which all references to al-Qaida and security warnings in Benghazi before the attack were deleted.

    The question of how the video story was concocted out of whole cloth, by whom and why, and why it was trumpeted by Rice, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Obama himself with such fervor at the United Nations has remained unanswered until now.

    “Now we know that the Obama White House’s chief concern about the Benghazi attack was making sure that President Obama looked good,” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement.

    That the White House’s main concern in the wake of an attack in which four Americans were murdered was Obama’s image is downright despicable.

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/042914-698891-benghazi-emails-white-house-prepped-susan-rice.htm

    Email archive here – http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/1919_production-4-17-14/

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  71. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    stupidboy is once again claiming conspiracy theories against the people he likes. Every thing is conspiracy in his view, unless he agrees with the position held.

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  72. lilman (967 comments) says:

    Funny how you are as dumb and racist as you are completely wrong.
    Brother employed his wife’s son and his 2 cousins for the spring ,son has stuck it out,cousins had left by sept to return home to Wellington,both now on dole,one has a job bouncing at local bar early morning shift,paid under the table.
    All 3 maori.
    Just rang him,he has employed a local school teacher for holidays,who has enjoyed it so much he has offered the full-time job to him,he thinks he will take it.
    Get a job,stop stealing,if not throw away the money first,then the key.

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  73. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Kea (10,761 comments) says:
    April 30th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Maybe everything is a conspiracy and we don’t exist at all, other than being pawns in some sort of altered reality?

    Can you prove you do exist by some means other than getting the assistance of someone else in the same state of altered reality?

    Can you prove you and everything about you is not some form of ‘conspiracy’ ?

    I can’t.

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  74. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    The criminal got far less than what he deserved:
    A Manawatu farmer has suffered knife wounds but also managed to cut one of her attackers with a pair of scissors during a home invasion.

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8837349/farmer-fights-back-in-home-invasion

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  75. Rowan (2,537 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/9990848/Judge-reserves-cathedral-decision

    Time to tell Anderton and the GCBT to get stuffed and allow the church to bring in the bulldozers, this situation is beyond a joke, level the cathedral and allow the church to start the rebuild, also award costs against Anderton et al for their continuing stalling and appeals etc.

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  76. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    How the fuck can a 37 year old career criminal be sentenced to a mere 3 years and 3 months for a ‘vicious” burglary and indecent assault on a 77 year old woman in her own home.

    How the fuck can that sentence be described as “tough”.

    Sentencing like that can only encourage criminals ,who probably laugh at the joke that our “justice” system has become.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/242986/jail-for-assault-on-elderly-woman

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  77. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    “Can you prove you and everything about you is not some form of ‘conspiracy’ ? ‘

    We’re in a very living reality. That’s why there are bankers and wars

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  78. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    Aucklanders start war against flight path

    Protesters who liken proposed new flight paths over Auckland to an “air war” have begun an advertising campaign to spread their message.

    The campaign, called Auckland: The Plane Truth, is running anonymously funded newspaper advertisements against proposed aviation procedures.

    Auckland Airport says the changes are designed to improve aircraft efficiency and reduce noise.

    People in One Tree Hill, Epsom, Mt Roskill, Onehunga and Royal Oak have said they noticed an increase in aircraft noise during the trial, which included Air New Zealand, Qantas and Jetstar and ended in October.

    The airport plans to release a draft report on the year-long trial at the end of next month. It originally planned a March release but the release was delayed after it was decided more time was needed to investigate community feedback and technical information.

    A final report will be issued later this year.

    But residents angry about aircraft flying overhead have spoken out in a full-page advertisement in the New Zealand Herald today.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9993468/Aucklanders-start-war-against-flight-path

    saw this earlier today. A real problem Kiwibloggers obviously don’t get affected by living in high decile districts. Just whinge about the neighbours cat digging up their garden. Or their own cat stolen by Asians. Or their biggest threat. How to keep their cat from Gareth Morgan. Cause the middle class don’t know each other and don’t want each other.

    Peculiar anomaly of life the middle class.

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  79. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    “Get a job,stop stealing,if not throw away the money first,then the key.”

    If you talking about me I certainly get a load of computer time in the cell you think I’m in.

    My wardens have to be the cream of human nature and genorous to a fault without forgetting my evening milo, morning paper hand delivered and aminty under my pilow every night.

    you very naughty trying to talk me into crime.

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  80. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    “Even today there are people living on the pension who struggle financially because they have lost all their life’s work.”

    I have a feeling that was really baad investments. Esp trusting crims like Doug Graham.

    But enjoyed your enlightened post very much.

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  81. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    We’re in a very living reality. That’s why there are bankers and wars

    Sounds more like a nightmare – the wars I can cope with, but the bankers ????

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  82. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    Kea, claiming conspiracies .? Yes there are a lot of claims of Conspiracies like 9/11, Sandy Nook, The Boston Bombing and like Benghazi as Fletch has just posted.
    All are palpably false.

    All I do is apply a bit of commonsense and critical thinking skills . For example right from the beginning I asked two questions about 9/11 which no one to date has satisfactorily answered ,

    1. If 9/11 was an inside job it would be a large scale and complex operation to lay explosive charges for the controlled demolition of the WTC to towers . It raises two questions ,the first is why it was completely unnoticed by the 3,000 or so staff working there and secondly ,why no whistleblowers have not come forth.? ( Note the biggest and highest controlled demolition was the Hudson Tower in Detroit and it took a big crew several weeks to prepare demolition charges ).

    2. 9/11 Truthers like UT and Reid here, cannot account for the missing 200 passengers and crews of Flights 11, 175, 77 and 93. There is a theory of a Mystery Flight X that abducted them but there is no trace of that flight whatsoever . nor the location of the missing passengers and crew.

    The Benghazi Conspiracy is been used by Obama’s political opponents for political points scoring by elements with in the GOP but nothing has stuck whatsoever,

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/benghazi.asp

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  83. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    “The Benghazi Conspiracy is been used by Obama’s political opponents for political points scoring by elements with in the GOP but nothing has stuck whatsoever,”

    Mostly cause Hillary got out of answering to the senate house for her involvement.

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  84. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    “Sounds more like a nightmare – the wars I can cope with, but the bankers ????”

    Judith

    just look up Marine General Smedly. Blamed all the operations he commanded over three continents on bankers.

    That goes right back to the 1930’s.

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  85. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    9/11 Truthers like UT and Reid here, cannot account for the missing 200 passengers and crews of Flights 11, 175, 77 and 93.

    stupidboy, firstly no-one has ever asked me to account for them and if you ever have forgive me for not noticing your idiotic meanderings because I try to skip as many of them as I possibly can.

    Secondly I don’t care about the missing passengers as a factor in the incident, beyond the usual human empathy I have for innocents who die. This is because to me, they are not and never have been a factor of any kind in my 911 analyses. They’re quite irrelevant to me, in other words. They’re not a factor in my consideration, at all, in any way whatsoever.

    If YOU think they’re something special and indicate something terribly interesting and significant amongst the thousands and thousands of other actual significant and interesting details, then bully for you. But I don’t and I never have.

    I’ve always assumed, personally, without doing any research into it, that they were deep-sixed in some military base simply ages ago, because it would be a complete giveaway if they weren’t and greasing a few planeloads of people in that operation is very small beer in relation to what else those evil bastards did.

    But stupidboy, get this through your incredibly thick naive immature and illogical skull. Just because YOU think there’s something significant about anything, DOES NOT MEAN OTHERS DO. Please don’t ever pretend that I’ve engaged you in debate over anything, ever again. You’re welcome to say things like “I think Reid may think “x” but don’t you dare word it in a way that implies you’ve actually discussed anything with me, because you’re such a moron that whatever I’ve ever said to you, is bound to have been twisted and confused and conflated into something completely different in that rat nest you call your mind.

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  86. Ross12 (1,456 comments) says:

    Completely OT — Can anyone recommend a good house insurance company/ deal. With this new rippoff system where the house owner has to take all the risk by setting the rebuild figure I’m finding the service from my current insurer well short of what a customer should expect.
    I gone through several of the calculators –a dart board could be better. I read in the comments on one site where a guy put exactly the same figures into a calculator twice except the second time he reduced the number of toilets from 2 to 1 and got a difference of $60k on the rebuild cost !!

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  87. Fletch (6,496 comments) says:

    stephie, benghazi is no conspiracy theory. It’s a damn scandal.

    FACT: Hillary and her team ignored repeated requests for more security in the weeks and months leading up to the attack.
    FACT: the administration blamed it on a video when they knew it was a well-orchestrated attack by Al Qaeda.
    FACT: they sent no one in to help while people died.
    FACT: both Obama and Hillary said they’d get to the bottom of it, and nothing has been done whatsoever to bring the perpetrators to justice. Hillary even cancelled an appearance last week because parents of those killed and other protestors would be there, so she dodged them.
    FACT: Obama checked in ONCE at 5.30pm to see what was happening with the situation, and they never heard from him again. He jetted off to Florida the next morning to fund raise for the upcoming election.

    The whole thing stinks. It’s a worse scandal than Watergate, but no one will impeach the bastard.

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  88. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    stephie, benghazi is no conspiracy theory. It’s a damn scandal.

    Fletch don’t waste your time. Unless the MSM tells him something, stephie won’t believe it. He can’t think for himself, he needs others to tell him, you see.

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  89. Fletch (6,496 comments) says:

    Obama’s whole administration has been plagued by scandals – Benghazi, fast and Furious, NSA spying, the bugging of AP reporters, IRS abuse against mainly conservative groups, and Obamacare lies and f*ckups. His foreign policy of sucking up to the enemies of the West and trying to “be nice” has been a complete failure. The U.S is a laughing stock in Russia, Iran, and the rest of the world. He went to a mosque last week in Malaysia and asked the Imam there to pray for him.

    CAIRO – Meeting the second US President in 48 years, National Mosque imam Sheikh Ismail Muhammad has pleaded to the President Barack Obama to end oppression against Muslims worldwide, a request to which Obama replied, “pray for me”.

    “We exchanged views and I had asked Obama, as the leader of one of the most powerful nations in the world, to end oppression, especially against Muslims around the world,” imam Muhammad told New Straits Times on Monday, April 28.

    “He (Obama) replied ‘pray for me’ and asked for my prayers to be with him in his quest to halt tyranny in any form.

    “He also told me that every day when he wakes up, he always does his best to put an end to any act of oppression against Muslims and to stop any kind of humanitarian crises around the globe.”

    http://www.onislam.net/english/news/asia-pacific/471855-pray-for-me-obama-tells-malaysian-imam.html

    Oppression against Muslims? What oppression against Muslims? Jews and Christians are more oppressed around the world, and it’s the Muslims who are doing it!

    The rose-colored glasses are well and truly off and Obama is experiencing his worst approval results ever.

    No one even really knows who the guy is, being that he has hidden all his permanent records. So much for “hope” and “change”.

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  90. Jacob Cohen (46 comments) says:

    But stupidboy, get this through your incredibly thick naive immature and illogical skull … but don’t you dare word it in a way that implies you’ve actually discussed anything with me, because you’re such a moron that whatever I’ve ever said to you, is bound to have been twisted and confused and conflated into something completely different in that rat nest you call your mind. – Reid

    Maybe this eliminates one level of exchange that has recently reduced General Debate to being just utterly fucking boring

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  91. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    .BUSTED!!! Pilot Forgets to Turn Off CHEMTRAILS While lLanding .

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  92. muggins (3,811 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9993567/Survey-Kiwis-want-forced-Kiwisaver

    I see quite a few kiwis want to be forced to save and I can understand why. Very few people have the willpower to save for themselves. They might save for a while and then something will tempt them to spend some or all of those savings.

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  93. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Maybe this eliminates one level of exchange that has recently reduced General Debate to being just utterly fucking boring

    Terribly sorry Jacob. What would you like to talk about?

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  94. muggins (3,811 comments) says:

    Jacob,
    Yeah, you have to say Reid hasn’t got a way with words.

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  95. minus (223 comments) says:

    National billboard breaks parking rules
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9993697/National-billboard-breaks-parking-rules

    As a National Party table is only feet away in the background, did anyone make a complaint there or did they eagerly run off with their photograph of the infringement to make a bigger deal of it?

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  96. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    .BUSTED!!! Pilot Forgets to Turn Off CHEMTRAILS While lLanding.

    Oh, bollocks…. besides, you forgot to upload this comment that was above the video:

    The video, uploaded Sunday, shows mist coming from the back of what appears to be a passenger jet. However, the air appears to be very humid in the video with fog all around. It likely means that the “chemtrails” were just fog–or wingtip vortices–trailing the back of the plane. The video doesn’t offer any context, including the type of plane, location, or when it was filmed. Wingtip vortices are circular patterns of air that are left behind a wing as it generates lift. .

    Sorted.

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  97. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    stupidboy, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being into conspiracies, or subscribing to extremist groups.

    I am a very liberal atheist who is part of no group think at all. I am also a sceptic and largely a pacifist. Yet you describe me as a Neo Nazi Muslim 911 Truther Chemtrail opponent KKK Grand Wizard Black hating racist.

    I do enjoy it of course, as it makes a contrast to how people see me in real life. So keep it up :)

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  98. goldnkiwi (1,543 comments) says:

    Wished Shane Ardern well, met the new Taranaki/King Country National candidate and passed a few words with the PM at lunch today. Damn good value for $100.00. ;)

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  99. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Elaycee, you are clearly an Illuminati shill spreading misinformation on behalf of your reptillian overlords.

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  100. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    @Kea: Yup…. clearly.

    But I’ve been called worse! 8O

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  101. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Intruder stabbed in stomach with scissors in home invasion

    A home invasion at a rural Manawatu property turned violent when a woman couldn’t comply with her attackers’ demands this morning.

    She suffered injuries to her upper body from trying to protect herself, while one of the attackers left after receiving a stomach wound from a pair of scissors.

    Police said the 45-year-old woman got up about 6.40am at her Opiki property to investigate a noise she thought might have been her partner returning from milking.

    Instead, she was confronted by a man armed with what police believed was a knife.

    Palmerston North Detective Sergeant David Thompson said demands for “material items” were made, however the woman wasn’t able to comply. “That’s when it became more violent.”

    Another intruder then appeared and joined in the struggle. Mr Thompson declined to comment on the exact nature of the demands.

    “We understand that during this time he has received a wound to the stomach with scissors,” Mr Thompson said.

    The men then fled in a vehicle, and the injured woman barricaded herself in her room and called police.

    Women on rural properties really ought to be able to defend themselves with small handguns rather than having to resort to scissors.

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  102. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    Lucia

    Expect the Police to drag the wretched woman to a court to face charges of armed assault & wounding with intent.

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  103. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Lucy, I agree and think we should all have that right. Women and the elderly would especially benefit. If these violent thugs knew the occupant may be armed it would be far more of a deterrent than tougher laws.

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  104. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    Bwahahahahaha

    and we’re anti capitalist too!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/cuba/10796980/Cuba-accuses-UK-of-being-anti-capitalist-over-plain-packaging-plans.html

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  105. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Nasska,

    That’s what I thought when I read the story, too. Hopefully not, though (fingers crossed).

    Kea,

    Yep, when I’m old, I’m going to have a loaded handgun in the house and stuff the law (which may be changed by then). Too many old women are bashed and/or raped in their homes in NZ.

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  106. minus (223 comments) says:

    Kiwisaver, Winston Peters –
    Those who say it’s an attack on low income earners are really quite desperate, this will help low income earners housing affordability and low interest rates is important to them, it should also over time lead to a higher wage structure.

    How will the policy lead to higher wages unless workers demand that, which is against the intent of the policy?

    PS – What is interesting is to see such a policy “debated” without a single fucking figure or number uttered regarding anything

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  107. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    This is worth reading.

    http://souloftheeast.org/2014/04/25/full-spectrum-subversion/

    What do postmodern exhibitionists, Islamic holy warriors and marauding ultra-nationalists share in common? Seemingly little, aside from the fact that these bizarre bedfellows are the star assets of US policy in Eurasia. And despite their use of very different tactics, they all are tasked with the same mission: to undermine Russia, the only great power consistently opposed to American hegemony.

    As is this:

    The “Ukraine crisis” repeats a script as old as the Cold War. The narrative features rising attacks by corporate states and media on the traditional whipping boy of Russia. As usual, “escalating the crisis” is US-led. As usual, alarm about “increasing lawless aggression” is projection of US policy itself. In fact, one more US-directed violent overthrow of an elected government has carved off the biggest country of Europe from next-door Russia.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-society-destruction-and-the-ukraine-crisis-decoding-its-deep-structural-meaning/5379275

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  108. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    All I do is apply a bit of commonsense and critical thinking skills .

    and talk of killer neutrinos…

    For example right from the beginning I asked two questions about 9/11 which no one to date has satisfactorily answered ,

    I really don’t want to know what a satisfactory answer is in stevieboy’s world. I’ve responded to these points before.

    1. If 9/11 was an inside job it would be a large scale and complex operation to lay explosive charges for the controlled demolition of the WTC to towers .

    If you were using conventional techniques, which isn’t being suggested.

    It raises two questions ,the first is why it was completely unnoticed by the 3,000 or so staff working there

    It wasn’t unnoticed, an computer/electrical shutdown and people/engineers working there the weekend before was reported.

    and secondly ,why no whistleblowers have not come forth.?

    Because they would effectively be admitting to conspiracy to commit terrorism, perhaps?

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  109. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    Fletch,

    Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Releases Bipartisan Review Benghazi- dispelling the Fox myths

    Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Releases Review On September 11, 2012 Attack On A Diplomatic Facility In Benghazi, Libya. A January 15, 2014 U.S. Senate Select Committee investigation released a review of the September 11, 2012 attack in Benghazi and made recommendations to prevent future attacks on American interests around the world. [Review Of The Terrorist Attacks On U.S. Facilities In Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, 1/15/14]
    1 Fox Benghazi Myth: “Stand Down” Order Was Given To Benghazi Response Teams  

    Senate Review: No Evidence Of A “Stand Down” Order
    2 Fox Benghazi Myth: Obama Administration Ignored Benghazi Threats 
    Senate Review: No “Tactical Warning” Predicting An Attack
    3 Fox Benghazi Myth: Obama Administration Engaged In Cover-Up Over Benghazi
    Senate Review: No Effort By Obama Administration To Cover-Up Or Alter Facts
    4.Fox Benghazi Myth: No Link To Anti-Muslim YouTube Video
    Senate Review: Reports Suggested Link To Inflammatory YouTube Video
    5 Fox Benghazi Myth: Obama Left Americans To Die In Benghazi

    Senate Review: Response Saved Lives, No Military In Position

    Further details here ,

    http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/01/15/fox-benghazi-myths-dispelled-by-new-bipartisan/197609

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  110. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    Reid,
    Global Research,
    Globalresearch.ca
    Some dare call it
    Conspiracy

    S

    “Globalresearch.ca (also under the domain name globalresearch.org) may best be described as a left-wing equivalent to WingNutDaily. It is the website of the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), founded by Michel Chossudovsky.
    The website describes itself as an “independent research and media organization.” Globalresearch.ca takes pride in being a reliable “alternative news” source serving as a major repository of a broad range of “news articles, in-depth reports and analysis on issues which are barely covered by the mainstream media” (such as the New World Order). Its politico-economic stance is strongly anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, anti-militarist, “internationalist but anti-globalization.” Its view of science, the economy and geopolitics seems to be broadly conspiracist.
    While many of Globalresearch.ca’s articles discuss legitimate humanitarian or environmental concerns, the site has a strong undercurrent of reality warping and bullshit throughout its pages, especially in relation to taking its news from “Russia Today”, along with other unreliable and/or open sources.
    Despite presenting itself as a source of scholarly analysis, Globalresearch.ca mostly consists of polemics many of which accept (and use) conspiracy theories, pseudoscience and propaganda. The prevalent conspiracist strand relates to global power-elites (primarily governments and corporations) and their New World Order. Specific featured conspiracy theories include those addressing 9/11, vaccines, genetic modification, Zionism, HAARP, global warming, and David Kelly. Analyses of these issues tend follow the lines of the site’s political biases.
    Apparently, contributors to Globalresearch.ca consider information sourced from anyone who seems aligned to their ideology as reliable; during the 2011 Libyan civil war the site was an apologist for Muammar al-Gaddafi, reproducing his propaganda and painting him as a paragon of a modern leader. It’s no surprise then that the site has long become a magnet for radicals, fringe figures and crank elements from the left in general. And ironically, it has more in common with its writers’ enemies and wingnut rivals than they would ever admit.’

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca

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  111. MH (817 comments) says:

    Gate Pa, done and dusted, but how many will be invited to commemorate the Battle of Te Ranga on the 21 June 1864 just 5km distant from gate Pa where the Maori leader Puhirake (also at Gate Pa) was killed along with 108 of his mates,a further 15 dying of wounds. European losses- 9 dead and 39 wounded. So why Gate Pa? Because the maori won,what institutionlised racism. Do we also not reflect on the massacre by Te Kooti of both loyal maori and defenceless European women and children 10- 12 November 1868 near Matawhero and Patutahi…lest we forget.

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  112. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    stephie

    You’re still here.

    Come on ,you made the Palin claim.

    Substantiate or you’re naught but a troll.

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  113. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    MH

    You obviously haven’t been reprogrammed successfully. The atrocities at Matawhero & Patutahi don’t suit the revised NZ history which must show the gentle flax weaving, poi dancing natives as the victims of the evil white man.

    Get with it.

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  114. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Reid, Global Research…

    stephie, I can’t believe I’m bothering to respond, but you need to assess veracity of the information in the article, not the site. That’s what the example I gave the other day was about, when I explained that Shawn had linked to a site founded by a satanist. I explained this does not mean that Shawn is a satanist. I realise such a concept is mind-boggling to you but as an example, this is what people who think do. They read for example, this (from the article I gave above):

    Reversal of blame is always the US method of pretext and justification. This is why Russia is pervasively vilified in the mass media, and Canada’s big-oil regime joins in along with the UK. As always, denunciation rules without reasoned understanding. As always, the US-led financial and military forces of private money-power expansion move behind the abomination of designated enemies. Any nation or leader not serving transnational corporate control of resources and markets across borders is always the villain. This is the ruling meta program.

    Thus too in Ukraine. When Europe tried to broker a peace deal between the opposition and elected government of Ukraine, the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland continued to court the neo-Nazi coup leaders to overthrow the state, instructing “Yats” (appointed PM Yatsenyuk) to consult with the main putsch leader Oleh Tyahnybok “at least four times a week”. When she is reminded of the EU peace talks and agreement to stop the bloodshed, her response is telling, “Fuck the EU”. The coup peaked after three days of murder by the neo-Nazi faction. When former “Orange revolutionary” and gas oligarch leader of the Fatherland Party, Yulia Tymoshenko, then got out of jail for criminal embezzlement of state property, she expressed the logic of power shared with the US regarding Russia. She says without denial of the words: “take up arms and go and wipe out these damn katsaps” [Russian minority] – – – so that not even scorched earth would be left of Russia.” Yet in every Western media of record, it is Russia who remains “the aggressor”, “the growing threat”, “the source of the rising crisis”, and “the out-of-control power that must be stopped”…

    …Serial false allegations and pretexts thus unfold again against Russia in regard to Ukraine. The US-led mayhem and violence varies widely, but the dots have not yet been joined on what is always achieved beneath the political-ideological shows – the tearing apart and dispossession of one society after another by US-led financial and armed means. Here it is Ukraine and the set-up of Russia at once. Not only is the society decapitated, as in Ukraine or Libya or Iraq or as demanded in Syria. That is the official script. Much more deeply the society’s civil bonds are rent asunder, its productive base is sabotaged, its social life supports are stripped, its environment and resources looted and its future despoiled. Always. There is no objective fulfilled except social life-system destruction. But the connections still go unmade. As General Rick Hillier, commander of Canada’s forces helping to bomb Libya said afterwards: “We did it because we could”. As CIA executive director Buzzy Krongard acknowledges about the permanent US war, but still without the consequence named: “It will be won by forces you do not know about, in actions you will not see, and in ways you may not want to know about”.

    The supremely evil truth becomes testable by its continuous repetition. Dismantling or destroying society’s very life bases is the innermost meaning of US-led “freedom” and “globalization”. It includes even US society itself by ever more monstrous misallocation of public resources away from what serves life bases to what deprives them. If one reviews the post-1980 trajectory of ruin of nations, the objectively evil pattern becomes clear. No other actually working goal has been achieved since the Reagan-Thatcher turn. It is the DNA of the global cancer system. Try to think of exception. Since the war-criminal destruction of poverty-ridden Nicaragua’s new schools and clinics by the signature method of covertly US funded and armed forces within, the society-destruction method has only grown and multiplied by terrorist as well as financial means. When Obama says “every society must chart its own course”, he follows the reverse moral syntax at work. The deliberate mass-diseasing of 500,000 children in the first manufactured crisis of Iraq as the nearby Soviet Union collapsed revealed what we could expect from the US without another superpower to contain it. In all cases, there has been one underlying principle of outcome – US-led civil disintegration of societies across the world. That is how a cancer works at the transnational level of life organization.

    Engineering civil war is the favored method with effective genocide the long consequence. This is true not only in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, and Syria, but Somalia, Sudan and the Congo. Direct US invasion may lose the war from Vietnam to Afghanistan, but its defeat is, more deeply another US-led success at destroying another society. The Wall Street metastasis to EU banker-run Europe has worked without invasion or even proxy uprising, but society destruction is still achieved by the small print of corporate treaties and bank powers people never see. Greece, Spain and Italy are effectively ruined, and behind the dismantling of these and all victim societies is the same transnational corporate system multiplying itself through societies. Big Banks, Oil, Military Contracting, Big Agri-Food and Pharma are themselves only vehicles of the one underlying economic disease of transnational money sequences self-multiplying across all borders without life limits or functions. They feed on ruined societies as their carrion.

    Ukraine follows this macro pattern…

    They then recall their history of those mentioned conflicts and think to themselves, did that really happen? Is Libya for example, really actually a festering pile of dog poo when once it used to be one of the most prosperous and well educated nations in that region? They might need to a do a bit of research to answer that and then they might look at the next nation mentioned and the next and so on.

    And then they identify the patterns. The common factors. Like: the US invaded to name an obvious one. The tactics used in such conflict, broken down by propaganda, guerilla, political, military etc; to name a less obvious one.

    At some point in such research it sometimes dawns on people who think that the pattern they are hypothesising has metastasized into a reality, an actual reality, based on the repetition of the same things in different countries that happened with the same particular player involved time after time after time.

    Sometimes no pattern appears. What the author was saying seemed real but on further analysis, it wasn’t the case. And sometimes it does appear.

    But people who think never approach such a question with the answer already in mind. People who think recall Tolstoy’s quote I gave the other day. Here it is again because you’ve probably forgotten it:

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-
    witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the
    simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if
    he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of
    doubt, what is laid before him.”

    People who think also not only bear in mind but also rigorously practice Conan-Doyle’s dictum given by his fictional character:

    “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”

    When people who think not only remember but apply to the letter both of those two principles to any matter, they will arrive at the truth. It’s when people don’t want to think, that they get it wrong. And that’s what people who have something to hide rely on. Most people don’t want to come to conclusions which challenge their established worldview, because to do so entails apparent ego destruction. So most people don’t think. It’s a shame because as I said, the ego destruction is a veil that you can pass through and once on the other side, you realise it was an illusion same as the curtain of water in the waterfall was in Tintin goes to Peru. It looked real, but it really wasn’t. And once on the other side, which doesn’t hurt at all, you realise you can really see things, as they really are, for the first time.

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  115. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Reid,

    She says without denial of the words: “take up arms and go and wipe out these damn katsaps” [Russian minority] – – – so that not even scorched earth would be left of Russia.”

    Is she ordering armies to do that? Not that I’m seeing. Instead it’s a very restrained reaction, trying not to trigger an all out war.

    Yet in every Western media of record, it is Russia who remains “the aggressor”, “the growing threat”, “the source of the rising crisis”, and “the out-of-control power that must be stopped”…a

    Yes, because Russia has 40,000 troops on the border of Ukraine (including hospital facilities, so they’re expecting casualties) and who knows how many military men taking over town by town, shooting mayors, roughing up pro-Ukraine supporters, taking military observers prisoner, and parading a captured female reporter/Maiden organiser blindfolded around the place. And that’s what we know about.

    It’s almost as if Russia doesn’t quite get the internet, that it’s difficult to contain the situation just by releasing fantastical stories to conspiracy websites and pasty pro-Russian reporters.

    The deliberate mass-diseasing of 500,000 children in the first manufactured crisis of Iraq as the nearby Soviet Union collapsed revealed what we could expect from the US without another superpower to contain it.

    Bloody hell, that’s implying regret that the Soviet Union no longer exists. Do you even know how offensive that is?

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  116. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    Message to the Ukraine
    From Vladimir Putin

    I want you to move your border away from my troops.

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  117. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Yes, because Russia has 40,000 troops on the border of Ukraine…and that’s what we know about.

    No Lucia, that’s what the matrix tells you its about. The whole point of the matrix is that when you’re in it, you don’t know you’re in it.

    It’s almost as if Russia doesn’t quite get the internet, that it’s difficult to contain the situation just by releasing fantastical stories to conspiracy websites and pasty pro-Russian reporters.

    So maybe you should read my above about how people think, lest you make the mistake of being one of those who don’t.

    Bloody hell, that’s implying regret that the Soviet Union no longer exists. Do you even know how offensive that is?

    Lucia have you looked up the child casualty rate from the US-imposed sanctions? Do you know about Albright’s quote to the effect “we think it’s a price worth paying?”

    Do you know how offensive it is to allege that something even Albright herself acknowledged is true, is in fact false, coming as it does from someone steeped in the matrix?

    Educate yourself girl. Get a clue.

    (Seriously, I’m actually not offended, I hardly ever am unless someone outright lies about me. Emotion interferes with logical processing, but I do sometimes mirror the tone of the person I’m responding to, that’s why I worded the above couple of sentences.)

    BTW, if you wish to discuss the article, then read the whole thing and lets discuss it, because you’re picking on a micro theme and the macro theme is very interesting, novel (in my reading anyway) and well worth discussing. Please recognise I only quoted that bit to serve as an example to illustrate a totally separate point.

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  118. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    The Matrix?

    ????

    You know that was a MOVIE, don’t you? A movie with Gnostic themes, the intent being that we should just get used to compromising with evil, because that’s how the world works?

    So, the 40,000 troops on the border is a figment of everyone’s imagination, and Poland asking for more NATO support (because of long empire, war and then communist memories of Russia) is just, what .. part of the Matrix?

    I don’t want to read anymore of that article, it’s crap. I only read enough crap to rebut it, any more and it’s just gross. I don’t pick through crap looking for diamonds, because I kinda figure that there aren’t any, given all the crap.

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  119. mikenmild (11,759 comments) says:

    Lucia Maria belatedly realising that 90% of Reid’s links are pure shite.

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  120. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    Reid (15,684 comments) says:
    April 30th, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    “Reversal of blame is always the US method of pretext and justification. This is why Russia is pervasively vilified in the mass media, and Canada’s big-oil regime joins in along with the UK…..”

    If this is Global Research ( you do not source your extensive copy and paste) then it confirms what Rational Wiki has said, namely polemic ,rhetorical with the usual ideological based sweeping assertions and broad glib generalizations . Examples as to who and what ” mass media ” persuasively vilifies Russia.?

    Then this ,

    “As always, the US-led financial and military forces of private money-power expansion move behind the abomination of designated enemies. Any nation or leader not serving transnational corporate control of resources and markets across borders is always the villain. This is the ruling meta program….. etc”

    Again no effort to document or present facts and evidence . Rhetoric , bombast and propaganda are , of course . much easier . As my link remarks,

    “The prevalent conspiracist strand relates to global power-elites (primarily governments and corporations) and their New World Order. Specific featured conspiracy theories include those addressing 9/11, vaccines, genetic modification, Zionism, HAARP, global warming, …”

    Small wonder it attracts contributions by conspiracy and non reality based mongers like Alex Jones , Paul Craig Roberts and Chris Bollyn.

    Lucia Maria,

    Matrix is Reid’s , I understand, current code for Reptilian shape shifting aka David Icke.

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  121. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    stephie ,a bit rich you coming on here lecturing when you fail to substantiate claims about Palin.

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  122. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    kowtow,

    yes your right and it was my mistake. But as my link demonstrates there are ten compelling reasons why she could never make it to the White House and why she ably assisted that nice guy John McCain lose the 2008 Presidential campaign,

    http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-most-ridiculous-sarah-palin-quotes-ever/pt_tesla

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  123. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Stephieboy,

    Matrix is Reid’s , I understand, current code for Reptilian shape shifting aka David Icke.

    Yeah, I just need to force him to admit to the main thrust of that movie series, which is only obvious in the finale of no 3.

    Mike,

    Lucia Maria belatedly realising that 90% of Reid’s links are pure shite.

    LOL! I’ve been arguing with Reid, on and off, for many years now. Back in Sir Hump’s days, he gave me links to the David Icke websites …. I just keep hoping sanity will kick in at some point. There’s a few things we agree on (probably your 10% that you mention), the rest is just hard work.

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  124. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    Paul Simon and his wife Edie Brickell suffered minor injuries in a domestic this week.

    The argument started while they were in bed.

    He called her Betty, and she called him Al.

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  125. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    A movie with Gnostic themes, the intent being that we should just get used to compromising with evil, because that’s how the world works?

    It’s an analogy Lucia with instant recognition because everyone knows what you mean as soon as you mention it, that’s why I’ve recently started using it. Why therefore do you hallucinate I’m approving or disapproving of it in anyway? I’m using it because it’s a social meme that has traction. The fact it has traction is not my doing, not my fault and not my choice.

    I don’t want to read anymore of that article, it’s crap.

    Why? Truth hurts? That article is substantiated by history. Read it and weep. Unless your tummy hurts. In that case, just dismiss it.

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  126. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    Mans best friend.

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/xdj67XknFrM#t=5

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  127. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    Gods Judgement On Taxes..
    One day, this man, Tony, died. When he was sent to be judged, he was told that he had committed a sin, and that he could not go to heaven right away.

    He asked what he did and God told him that he cheated on his income taxes, and that the only way he could get into heaven would be to sleep with a 500 pound, stupid, butt-ugly woman for the next five years and enjoy it.

    Tony decided that this was a small price to pay for an eternity in heaven.

    So off he went with this enormous woman, pretending to be happy.

    As he was walking along, he saw his friend Carlos up ahead. Carlos was with an even bigger, uglier woman than he was with.

    When he approached Carlos he asked him what was going on, and Carlos replied, “I cheated on my income taxes and scammed the government out of a lot of money…even more then you did.”

    They both shook their heads in understanding and figured that as long as they have to be with these women, they might as well hang out together to help pass the time.

    Now Tony, Carlos, and their two beastly women were walking along, minding their own business when Tony and Carlos could have sworn that they saw their friend Paul up ahead, only this man was with an absolutely drop dead gorgeous supermodel/centerfold.

    Stunned, Tony and Carlos approached the man and in fact it was their friend Paul. They asked him how is he with this unbelievable goddess, while they were stuck with these god-awful women.

    Paul replied, “I have no idea, and I’m definitely not complaining.

    This has been absolutely the best time of my life (and I’m dead), and I have had five years of the best sex any man could hope for.
    There is only one thing that I don’t understand.

    After every time we have sex, she rolls over and murmurs to herself, “Damn income taxes!!!!!”

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  128. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Why therefore do you hallucinate I’m approving or disapproving of it in anyway? I’m using it because it’s a social meme that has traction. The fact it has traction is not my doing, not my fault and not my choice.

    Choice of analogy always means something, Reid. We’re built that way, to give meaning in all that we do and say, even subconsciously. No one is neutral, not even you. That you choose The Matrix as an analogy says something about you, whether you want to know it or not.

    Interesting that you have been using phrases in comments directed at me such as “hallucinate” and “tummy hurts”. I am perfectly sane, thankyou, no hallucinations, and I am not stressed out by what you are saying, I am really angry. Angry, because I know the history of the region perfectly well, and you appear not to at all. If you do, it’s only because you are a Russian Communist in disguise, which I doubt you are, and you are spreading false information which would have real life consequences were enough people to believe it.

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  129. wiseowl (934 comments) says:

    Hawkes Bay Today reports that the Napier mayor thinks Mr Dunne is incompetent and should resign.

    Does the UP still have 500 members or have many resigned in response to Dunnes incompetence?

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  130. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    I think the appeal of the The Matrix to Conspiracy buffs like Reid is the premise from the movie that “Reality “is just a lie or at best Computer generated as the movie explores.
    Those who can only discern all this are those who are ‘awake” or ” woken Up “and I think Reid believes that his perceptions are so attuned to be “woken up as in The Matrix. Thus his awareness allows him to ” perceive ” things like the NWO and the nefarious goings on by the e.g Rothchilds , International Jewry. and finance. etc.
    Poppycock , of course. All I can suggest to Reid is go and visit his Doctor for a possible Psychiatric referral.
    Truth hurts. yes , but delusions can be dynamite.

    http://thesoapboxrantings.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/how-matrix-inspired-conspiracy.html

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  131. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    Wall St. is killing their own bankers for the insurance payouts. JPMorgan has $10.4 billion tied up in seeking to profit from workers’ deaths.
    Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/04/wall-st-is-killing-their-own-bankers-for-the-insurance-payouts/#qDMICEbzpZV3Leva.99

    It doesn’t get any more Orwellian than this: Wall Street mega banks crash the U.S. financial system in 2008. Hundreds of thousands of financial industry workers lose their jobs. Then, beginning late last year, a rash of suspicious deaths start to occur among current and former bank employees. Next we learn that four of the Wall Street mega banks likely hold over $680 billion face amount of life insurance on their workers, payable to the banks, not the families. We ask their Federal regulator for the details of this life insurance under a Freedom of Information Act request and we’re told the information constitutes “trade secrets.”
    Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/04/wall-st-is-killing-their-own-bankers-for-the-insurance-payouts/#qDMICEbzpZV3Leva.99

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  132. nasska (11,808 comments) says:

    Drawn with Kiwiblog in mind? :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/58df9mdufzf82jq/Mod%202.png

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  133. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    Wikiri, this link below seeks to get to the bottom of these alleged banker suicides. An analysis and careful scrutiny of these suicides reveal that of the recent nine cases only four were actually bankers .Additionally J P morgan employs sum 250,000 and there is a statistical probability that some one within the huge bank will at some time suicide , not counting the often, highly stressful nature of the work,

    https://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/03/03/why-are-bankers-killing-themselves-in-droves/

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  134. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    Hidden Source Code in ObamaCare. Yet another video each American should see

    No reasonable expectation of privacy

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=712900708751700&set=vb.303805692994539&type=2&theater

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  135. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    Amir Kalman “It is impossible to understand the world today without knowing what the ESF is and what it has been doing. Officially in charge of defending the dollar, the ESF is the government agency which controls the New York Fed, runs the CIA’s black budget, and is the architect of the world’s monetary system (IMF, World Bank, etc). ESF financing (through the OSS and then the CIA) built up the worldwide propaganda network which has so badly distorted history today (including erasing awareness of its existence from popular consciousness). It has been directly involved in virtually every major US fraud/scandal since its creation in 1934: the London gold pool, the Kennedy assassinations, Iran-Contra, CIA drug trafficking, HIV, and worse”

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  136. EAD (1,326 comments) says:

    wiki – I’ve been following former US Treasury Sceretary and Wall Street Journal Editor Paul Craig Roberts and the best I can deduce is that the things that link the banker suicides is that their ability to rig markets is rapidly diminishing as China and Russia take control of key supplies and the ability of the Western Markets to manipulate them through their paper games is ending.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/04/09/us-world-coming-end-paul-craig-roberts/

    Of all the markets gold is the most crucial, as Roberts notes, when the Western banksters lose the ability to impact the price of gold through naked short sells, the price is going to go through the roof, interest rates will rockets as finally the truth is revealed about how much inflation has been unleashed across the world by the central banks. Gold is the key as it is the worlds only true money as it can’t be printed to infinity.

    Remember – Paper money will eventually return to its intrinsic value —- zero

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  137. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    A 21-year-old man took sheep from a paddock and killed them because he had no money for food, the Invercargill District Court has been told.

    Too easy – job on the chain at a freezing works. Proven competency.

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  138. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    Fifty Kiwi businesses are staring disaster in the face thanks to the Government’s incompetence in handling issues around infant formula exports, says New Zealand First leader Rt Hon Winston Peters.
    SunLive – Companies face ruin over infant formula – The Bay’s News First
    Companies face ruin over infant formula – Sunlive – The Bay’s News First
    sunlive.co.nz

    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/70823-companies-face-ruin-over-infant-formula.html

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  139. wikiriwhis business (4,131 comments) says:

    “Remember – Paper money will eventually return to its intrinsic value —- zero”

    Good call Ead

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  140. publicwatchdog (2,822 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers :)

    Protest outside the electorate office of National MP Murray McCully – Minister for Foreign Affairs, Wednesday 30 April 2014:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152002536776790&set=pcb.10152002537011790&type=1&theater

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF ‘Open Letter’ /OIA to Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully re: ‘job offer/ / (BRIBE?) to Labour Party MP Shane Jones, from his Ministerial Secretary:
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    30 April 2014 (3.37pm)

    Dear Penny,

    On behalf of Hon Murray McCully, Minister of Foreign Affairs, thank you for your correspondence of 30 April 2014 requesting information regarding the creation, and funding of, an economic ambassadorial role in the Pacific.

    You will receive a reply within 20 working days as required by the Official Information Act.

    Yours sincerely,

    Holly

    Holly Bennett | Ministerial Secretary | Office of Hon Murray McCully
    Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister for Sport and Recreation
    6.1 Executive Wing Beehive | Parliament Buildings | Wellington 6160 | New Zealand
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ‘Open Letter’ /OIA to Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully
    re: ‘job offer/ / (BRIBE?) to Labour Party MP Shane Jones:
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    30 April 2014

    ‘Open Letter’ /OIA to Minister of Foreign Affairs Murray McCully
    re: ‘job offer/ / (BRIBE?) to Labour Party MP Shane Jones

    Dear Minister McCully,

    Please be reminded of your statutory duties arising from the Public Records Act 2005:

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345536.html

    3Purposes of Act

    The purposes of this Act are—
    (a)to provide for the continuation of the repository of public archives called the National Archives with the name Archives New Zealand (Te Rua Mahara o te Kāwanatanga); and

    (b)to provide for the role of the Chief Archivist in developing and supporting government recordkeeping, including making independent determinations on the disposal of public records and certain local authority archives; and

    (c)to enable the Government to be held accountable by—
    (i)ensuring that full and accurate records of the affairs of central and local government are created and maintained; and

    (ii)providing for the preservation of, and public access to, records of long-term value; and

    (d)to enhance public confidence in the integrity of public records and local authority records; and

    (e)to provide an appropriate framework within which public offices and local authorities create and maintain public records and local authority records, as the case may be; and

    (f)through the systematic creation and preservation of public archives and local authority archives, to enhance the accessibility of records that are relevant to the historical and cultural heritage of New Zealand and to New Zealanders’ sense of their national identity; and
    (g)to encourage the spirit of partnership and goodwill envisaged by the Treaty of Waitangi (Te Tiriti o Waitangi), as provided for by section 7; and
    (h)to support the safekeeping of private records.
    ____________________________________

    Please provide the following information:

    1) Copies of ALL correspondence, including but not limited to briefing notes, memorandums, meeting minutes, reports, emails telephone messages, between yourself, and any other person acting on your direction, and the Chief Executive of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT), regarding the creation of the position / proposed position of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’.

    2) Copies of ALL correspondence, including but not limited to briefing notes, memorandums, meeting minutes, reports, emails telephone messages, between yourself, and any other person acting on your direction, and the Chief Executive of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT), regarding the source(s) of funding for the position / proposed position of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’.

    ie: Information which confirms whether it was the Chief Executive of MFAT who considered and concluded, independently of yourself as Minister of Foreign Affairs, that the position / proposed position of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’.was necessary and that there was available funding.

    3) Information which confirms whether the position / proposed position of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’ is a ‘public service role’, where the person is appointed by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, so the Chief Executive of MFAT is their employer and funding is allocated in the budget and administered within the boundaries specified in the appropriations – or a’ministerial appointment’, funded from the appropriations for parliamentary services.

    4) Copies of ALL information, including but not limited to briefing notes, memorandums, meeting minutes, reports, emails, telephone messages, and texts between yourself, and Labour Party MP Shane Jones, relating to your ‘job offer’ to him, of ‘Pacific Economic Ambassador’, and related matters.

    Yours sincerely,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    …………………….

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate (polling 4th with 11,723 votes campaigning against corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region)

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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  141. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    EAD, do we add yet add another Conspiracy Theory with the Exchange Stabilization Fund to the list here. ? ,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories

    Wikiri , I thought paper money like our dollar is based on our GNP i.e ,one our capacity to earn our way in the world through the exports of our products and two, the assets we have to back them up like our land- agriculture, horticulture , forestry, Lakes- hydro power etc etc , etc Or does it have to be something more mysterious and conspiratorial than this that only the likes of Zero hedge , EAD and you are in the know.?

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  142. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Angry, because I know the history of the region perfectly well, and you appear not to at all.

    I took Russian history and Russian politics undergrad papers at University Lucia. Not specifically Ukraine but the whole country. It taught me a lot since the cold war was still a very happening thing, in the early 80’s.

    I think your issue is you blame what happened to your rellies on forces that weren’t driving the events which caused their distress. One of the things I learned about Russian politics is that their mentality was driven by a defensive mentality.

    Of course we in the West at the time were always told since we were babies that the Wussians were big bad meanies and they wanted to take over the world and spwead their commie manifesto all over the place and look for example what the Comintern says and that’s all weally weally bad.

    But I learned that the reason the Russians had developed buffer states in the form of the inner circle of the USSR states and the wider circle of the Warsaw pact countries is because Rus developed from invasion and it was a form of defence embedded deep in the Russian psyche. Naturally this was an inconvenient truth for the West which, as I later learned, had tremendous vested interests in driving the agenda of the aggressive Russian forces.

    Stalin was an outsider and an anomaly in Russian history, did you know that? Of course you know he was a Georgian, as you also know that Napolean was a Corsican and Hitler was an Austrian. I read an interesting observation once to the effect it’s amazing how when outsiders take over a country they’re not from, they normally trash it after using it to achieve their own evil ends. It takes great discernment to see that at the time its happening let alone when you’re looking at history, since the tendency is to conflate the depredation they inflict with the country itself and blame the country and not the man and his willing minions.

    The evidence is there as to who the bolsheviks were and newsflash: they weren’t Russians. You only need to look at what they did to Russians to realise that. But you have to be discerning.

    The person BTW who gave me that data on Russia at university wasn’t as I’m sure you’re currently hallucinating, some raging lefty. No. He in fact is a highly respected member of the conservative political hierarchy. I’m not going to name him but a look at Auckland Uni’s political studies faculty list from the early 1980’s will lead you to him, if you’re interested. And I won’t be responding to anyone who asks: was it him, either. I just told you the truth. Take it or leave it. I don’t care.

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  143. cha (4,081 comments) says:

    The FBI strikes again.

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/dzhokhar-bombshell-fbi-pressed-tamerlan-to-become-informant/article/382283

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  144. EAD (1,326 comments) says:

    Stephie – I long ago worked out you are one of the ones who are mentally incapable of understanding the system. Spend some time researching the following and research it to the end so you can answer these questions:
    – What is money?
    – Where does money come from?
    – What is the history of money in various forms?

    A good place to start might be the book “The Creature from Jekyll Island”.

    Once you have asked and answered those questions, then ask yourself what is each monetary systems respective impacts on wealth distribution, political systems and societal control?

    “The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” – The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

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  145. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    Reid, Stalin was not an anomaly. He was very much in forefront of Russia’s autocratic tradition and a logical continuation of the despotism of Leninist ideology as demonstrated by e. g the effects of Democratic Centralism in the Bolsheviks that encouraged and perpetuated the accumulation of power and despotism.Trotsky was equally as bad as Stalin but less politically shred and adept but aslo infected with this sense of autocratic control a butproduct of Marxist Leninism

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  146. Fisiani (1,047 comments) says:

    Brett Hudson chosen for National in Ohariu

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  147. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    EAD, have you watched this?

    It won’t tell you anything you don’t already know, but it’s the best explanation I’ve seen on it. The trouble with Jekyll Island for people like stephie is, there are no pictures.

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  148. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    Faggots are all going to hell. You cannot be Christian either – sorry duckie.

    – Paihia Baptist Church

    Aren’t some religions wonderful ?

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  149. EAD (1,326 comments) says:

    Yes Reid I have seen that video and have shared it previously on this site with a mixed response. People would learn more in that 30 mins of education than from an entire year of reading the financial pages of the NZ Herald – why prices rise, why debt has to keep growing, the kabuki theatre that is Central Banks trying to “manage” economies.

    Youtube and the internet in general have been the greatest gift to mankind as it has enabled to have a world of information including access to the great minds at our fingertips. It is the most Democratising invention the world has ever seen.

    Unfortunately, this video has only had 2 million views while a Justin Bieber video will have 300million+ or a cat spinning on a chair might generate 100m+. Like Orwell prophesised all those years ago – many people have learned to love their servitude…

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  150. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    There’s a horse in the pub !

    – Paul Henry tonight.

    Hahahahahaha . . . rural country mainland NZ and alcohol – you’ve gotta love it baby !!

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  151. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    “I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots.”

    Einstein.

    It is the most Democratising invention the world has ever seen.

    Try searching for say, 911 and see what you get these days. I don’t think they knew what would happen when they launched it and it’s taken them awhile to learn how to manage it, but they’re getting there and it won’t be long before the sheeple are right back where they were before it came along. Fat, happy and ignorant. Until the hammer falls of course, that’s when they’re going to wake up. Not long now.

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  152. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    EAD, “love their servitude .? Patronizing and condescending drivel we’ve come to expect of a conspiracy theorist like yours. The real steeple are the Conspiracy theorist themselves as Reid and yourself capably demonstrate .

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  153. EAD (1,326 comments) says:

    It’s quite funny isn’t it – in the UK many people have worked out that there is no real democracy from the LIBLABCON and are turning to UKIP in their droves and the press is going apesh*t. Same in the US with Ron Paul vs. the “Republocrats” and the MSM including so called Republican leaning outlets went mental at Ron Paul.

    The MSM and even here at Kiwiblog don’t like this of course, they like to pretend that there is a huge and dramatic battle going on between the main parties because if they actually admitted they truly are all the same they wouldn’t have anything to write about. We are encouraged to focus on trivialities and personalities and fed bullsh*t statistics to encourage this delusion so people can’t actually see the woods for the trees.

    The amount of blue team apoplexy when I suggest that National are not the prudent financial managers DPF makes out they is staggering despite all the evidence staring at them in the face.

    I don’t agree with all you say Reid but keep speaking up as sunlight on the truth is the greatest disinfectant.

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  154. itstricky (1,900 comments) says:

    Hidden Source Code in ObamaCare. Yet another video each American should see

    No reasonable expectation of privacy

    And yet, if you spend more than 2 seconds Googling that you find that what they were referring to as “hidden” was a comment in the code, in fact something that was specifically removed from a more general template.

    In no way legally enforceable, seeing as the intended user would never read and acknowlege it.

    Not a single person in that room was techincal, obviously. None of them had any idea of what they were looking at and why it wasn’t relevant. Apart from Mr Barton, of course, who must have known what it (wasn’t) and was stringing it along to get those 300+ non-thinking misinformed Facebook up votes.

    Some slimy politicians know no bounds to FUD. Just another regurgitated and repeated link, posted by Mr Wiki.

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  155. itstricky (1,900 comments) says:

    Until the hammer falls of course, that’s when they’re going to wake up. Not long now.

    KA-CHING. Matrix Gold!

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  156. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    I don’t agree with all you say Reid

    No, I don’t know anyone who does. This must mean I’m wrong somewhere but I don’t know where.. :)

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  157. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    EAD, stand back and think about “things” for a moment about the reality of what your trying to say with ” no real democracy from the LIBACOM ” etc.. If free speech is a vital fabric of democracy then you give a lie to it right here at KB. its you with your addiction to Zero hedge gobbledygook that you feed us with your own version of BS stats etc.
    Are the press actually going “apeshit” as you claim over UKDIP.? Mental at Ron Paul.? or is the truth that Republican voters did not accept his rather wacko policies given his poor polling in the primary races he entered.?
    In a very straightforward way what do you propose in the absence of the Nats your economic management. proposals ?
    Dismantling the State.?
    BTW , timeline for the big stock market crash this year.??.

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  158. itstricky (1,900 comments) says:

    Here you go Wiki

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/29/joe-barton/healthcaregov-users-waive-any-reasonable-right-pri/

    Don’t know why I bother with these random website conspiracy theorists. May as well have been a Birther website for all I care. Never mind, bed time.

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  159. stephieboy (3,405 comments) says:

    Reid , “No, I don’t know anyone who does. This must mean I’m wrong somewhere but I don’t know where.. ”

    You may like to begin here in your quest for the answer ,

    http://www.cracked.com/article_20466_5-conspiracy-theories-that-are-shockingly-easy-to-debunk.html

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  160. EAD (1,326 comments) says:

    Stephie – I defer to your great wisdom as evidenced by the quality of your posts.

    Let’s agree to disagree

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  161. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    You may like to begin here in your quest for the answer ,

    I did take a look stephie, but I realised that as with all debunking articles I’ve read on this, they pretend to have an explanation but they really don’t, however in order to know that, you have to know what the issues raised in the first place were.

    So that didn’t help, but thanks for taking the time to make an attempt. I know you were only trying to help, but perhaps next time you could familiarise yourself with the actual issues that are alleged so that you’ll not only help me but you’ll be able to rapidly detect bullshit when you see it as well. You seem currently to be completely and utterly lacking in this skill, that’s all. You seem almost as simple as a little baby who can’t even talk yet, with respect to your understanding of what the actual allegations and the evidence thereof are.

    But you’re trying, even if you’re not very good yet, and that’s something, at least, isn’t it. Take care, and keep really really trying your very best. You never know, in a year or so you may start making some progress, maybe.

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