General Debate 4 April 2014

April 4th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    So, can all those gun loving nuts remind me why the answer to gun crime in the USA is more guns?

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  2. mandk (992 comments) says:

    Nice one bb, you’re poking a stick into a libertarian wasp nest.
    Don’t you know that guns don’t kill people? People kill people.

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  3. duggledog (1,555 comments) says:

    Thousands of benes can afford to fly overseas, Paula cuts their benefits (for the time being; how much and for how long?)

    This takes nearly six years to happen

    Why?

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  4. hj (6,995 comments) says:

    Sociobiology was the ‘new’ scientific synthesis that emerged to challenge decades of liberal and Marxist control of the social and anthological sciences with the publication of Harvard biologist E O Wilson’s The New Synthesis: Sociobiology in 1975.[1]

    Sociobiology did not emerge from a vacuum. While the biological sciences that had spawned eugenics and the genetic basis of IQ for e.g.. had been largely supplanted and driven to the catacombs by the onslaught of a cabal of social anthologists with Left-wing political motivation, headed up in the USA by Franz Boas, with counterparts in the USSR headed by Lysenko, a significant number of geneticists remained to put up a rearguard action in the interests of science rather than dogma.[2]

    DR HAMILTON’S OBSESSIVE DELUSIONS

    Dr Hamilton is at it again, with the encouragement of Chris Laidlaw and Radio NZ, having been interviewed on 31 May on the Sunday Morning program apparently as some kind of authority on ‘Holocaust denial’ in New Zealand. Unfortunately I do NOT have the significance and influence Hamilton and fellow liar Roel Van Leeuwen of Waikato Uni., ascribe to me, and can do little other than write to Radio NZ and Mr Laidlaw on this matter, in the unlikely hope that there’s someone there with integrity.

    5 June 09

    Mr Chris Laidlaw

    Radio NZ

    Dear Mr Laidlaw

    I have just listened to a program hosted by Chris Laidlaw and featuring Scott Hamilton, (Sunday Morning program 31 May) supposedly dealing in some manner authoritatively with “Holocaust denial” in New Zealand.’

    Hamilton seems to have a personal obsession with me, and with Martin Doutré, and I don’t quite see why he has been permitted to spout defamatory statements, while Mr Laidlaw sits their obligingly nodding in agreement as though Hamilton is a credible scholar.

    Hamilton’s mention of me was entirely gratuitous and without justification, and it seems in recent months he has arisen from nowhere to try and make a name for himself by exposing a non-existent neo-Nazi threat, in similar manner to what Paul Spoonley attempted several years ago; and as the hapless Roel Van Leeuwen, whose thoroughly debunked and fraudulent thesis Hamilton has approvingly cited, is also attempting to do.
    Hamilton states in the course of the Laidlaw interview that I am a neo-Nazi, that I am a leading holocaust denier, that I work closely with Dr Toben of the Adelaide Inst., who has recently been sentenced to a prison term for contempt of court; the implication being that I am associated with some unsavoury characters. He further states that I am the ‘inventor’ of the ‘Celtic New Zealand theory’. He states that I am an anti-Semite and that I have insinuated myself into the anti-war movement and the Palestinian solidarity movements, and that my anti-Semitism has had an impact on credulous youngsters.

    http://www.freewebs.com/renaissancepress/articles.htm

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  5. minus (192 comments) says:

    Glass of milk versus Dotcom’s new party
    Parliament recently near imploded over Judith Collins endorsement of milk in the Oravida issue, with John Key then visiting China a week later to promote dairy products.

    And while the furor still rages over Judith Collins’ possible conflict of interests, Kim Dotcom, German-Finnish Internet entrepreneur, businessman, singer, politician and hacker, sets up the Internet Party without, it seems, any questions whether a specialised party – owned and run by an Internet entrepreneur and businessman, unable to stand for Parliament himself – is such a fundamentally flawed concept as to even be considered by the Electoral Commission.

    Is there any hint of a conflict of interests between potential Members of Parliament and the 10 point
    Internet Party Vision and Mission?

    1] Cheaper, Unlimited Internet – Deliver cheaper, unlimited, high-speed Internet for everyone.
    Greater access by the maximum possible users of Dotcom interests.

    2] Spying and Net Freedom – All New Zealanders have the right to interact and communicate online, securely and privately, including Dotcom interests

    3]Reform copyright laws.
    We will advance a balanced system that rewards creators and benefits the public, which in turn will attract innovation and new businesses including Dotcom interests

    4] Responsive Government – Make government work for its citizens, including Dotcom interests, not the other way around.

    5] Environment – Encourage green technologies and protect our environment. More Internet based business and data centres, to extend Dotcom interests

    6] Innovation and Jobs – Boost innovation and high-tech jobs in New Zealand. Staff for Dotcom interests

    7] Strengthen New Zealand’s independence – from corporates like those of Hollywood, who’d love to bugger Dotcom interests

    8] Digital Currency – Introduce a government-sponsored digital currency. Facilitate Dotcom interests

    9] Modernise schools and the education system – get them while they are young to increase Dotcom interests

    10] And more … Party members and experts will play a direct role in the formation of the Internet Party’s policies in Dotcom interests.

    Which of Dotcom Internet Party policies will advantage Dotcom’s Internet interests?
    10 out of 10!
    See? Leaves your Judith Collins’ glass of milk “conflict of interests” problem for bloody dead.

    CABINET MANUAL
    Identifying conflicts of interest – Types of conflicts of interest

    2.60
    A conflict of interest may be pecuniary (that is, arising from the Minister’s direct financial interests) or non-pecuniary (concerning, for example, a member of the Minister’s family). A conflict of interest may be direct or indirect. Ministers must consider all types of interest when assessing whether any of their personal interests may conflict with, or be perceived to conflict with, their ministerial responsibilities.

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  6. Nostalgia-NZ (5,195 comments) says:

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/22362919/national-support-falls-in-new-poll/

    Even with the good news the whiff of ‘self-entitlement’ lingers…

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  7. James Stephenson (2,173 comments) says:

    @bruv, don’t you think there’s a large element of copycat attention seeking that links these events? I think that’s the main problem the Seppos need to get to grips with.

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  8. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Interesting comment from the ex-Assistant Treasury Secretary to the question: “Is free global movement of labour and capital about creating the greatest welfare for the greatest number of people?”

    His answer: Globalism is about impoverishing first world labour and turning agriculture in less developed economies into monoculture for export. So you destroy self-sufficiency in less developed countries and destroy self-sufficiency in the workforce in developed economies and the only gainers are a few big banks and a few big corporations.

    It’s an interesting observation, isn’t it. For those who can’t think, please note this isn’t a “theory” much less a “conspiwacy theowy,” since every single one of us who can think and has eyes, can see for ourselves precisely what he said actually happening as globalism unfolds, can’t we. So there’s no denying it’s happening, is there. We may not like it but we can’t deny it, anymore than one can deny the sky is blue.

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  9. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Well I hope everyone has got their party hats on, because it looks like the next three years could be damn entertaining as we witness: –

    “Arise Sir Winnie, new Prince of Whales” –

    Going by recent polls, whilst no one can confidently guess who will be the next PM, but the next deputy PM is almost certainly going to be Winston Peters, as NZFirst will be needed by either side to take the house.

    As Winnie holds the govt to ransom, under National very little of anything positive will be able to be achieved, especially as egos lock heads.
    Under Labour, nothing positive was going to be achieved anyway, so it could be very much status quo – although on the bright side, Cunnliffe will be no match for Winnie, who will walk over the Khaki mix (red/green combination), like it was last weeks roast chicken.

    The Maori party will be out in the cold, and if Winston has his way – sent to oblivion. United Future – well, I just can’t see Peter Dunne ‘handling the jandal’ and the stress so is likely to fall for yet another pretty smile from the press gallery.

    The Act party will be forced to don Nun Habits and head to Hollywood for parts in Sister Act 3.

    And Colin Craig – well, I’ve a feeling he might be too delicate to handle the atmosphere of a House held to Ransom by Sir Win.

    and Parliament will now be screened on the Comedy Channel.

    So it will be hold on to hats folks, the best we can hope for is that they do no lasting damage, but my god, it’s going to be entertaining. (of course the outlook could change in the next 6 months but today, it looks like the idiots will be running the asylum). :-)

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  10. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Interesting poll, it seems to show a direct transfer from National to NZF. Labour picking up some votes from the Greens as is Internet Party.

    The NZCP at 2.5 is a dream for Labour, big enough to hurt National but not close to getting over the line.

    Colin Craig and his supporters could just put Labour into office if they’re not very careful.

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  11. EAD (1,072 comments) says:

    @ Big Bruv

    America does not have a gun problem, it has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.

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  12. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Judith

    If your scenario of Winston going with Labour eventuates the one positive will be the Greens will be on the sideline because that will be an absolute must for Winston to agree to anything with Cunliffe.

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  13. flipper (4,053 comments) says:

    Good morning Nos -NZ…

    The Roy Morgan, aka Whore’s Drawers, poll is like the proverbial yo yo…. and / or street-walker. :-)

    But…
    Speaking of entitlements…. the overwhelming sense of entitlement exhibited by the bennie pushers (advocates) in relation to overseas travel is astounding. To describe the travel crack-down as beneficiary bashing is a demonstration of their belief that our money is their entitlement.

    PS… Nos…what news on the sisters?

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  14. eszett (2,408 comments) says:

    EAD (279 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 8:31 am
    @ Big Bruv

    America does not have a gun problem, it has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem

    As a rule of thumb, you shouldn’t have guns freely available to people with mental health problems.

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  15. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Comparing and averaging the three recent polls:

    National – 45.9, 47, 43 – 45.3
    Labour – 31.2, 31, 32 – 31.4
    Greens – 11.2, 11, 13 – 11.7
    NZ First – 4.9, 7, 5.5 – 5.8
    Conservative – 1.9, 2.3, 2.5 – 2.2
    Maori Party – 1.5, 0.9, 1.5 – 1.3
    ACT Party – 1.1, 0.3, 0.5 – 0.6
    Mana Party – 1.1, 0, 0.5 – 0.5
    Internet Party – 0.4, 0, 0.5 – 0.3
    UnitedFuture – 0.1, 0.1, 0.5 – 0.2

    Reid Research (18-26 March), Colmar Brunton (22-26 March), Roy Morgan (17-30 March) – Average

    Three polls.

    There’s been some interesting poll posts and discussions:
    http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-gower-speaks
    http://sayit.co.nz/blog/what-chance-do-internet-party-and-conservatives-really-have
    http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/on-popularity/

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  16. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    Game of Thrones fans, need to check out the “Honest Trailer” summary of seasons 1-3.
    Frickin Hilarious, had small tears in the corners of my eyes:

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  17. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Ross12 (905 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 8:33 am

    Exactly. As someone pointed out to me last night – Maybe NZ needs to experience something like this, to shock us all into the realisation that we need a shake up of our whole political system, which perhaps means getting rid of the old National/Labour divide and having options that reflect more on the needs of current society and global conditions.

    With the current make up, and MMP, I fear we will just keep going round in circles. What sort of efficiency, allows the minority to have control?

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  18. EAD (1,072 comments) says:

    @ Eszett

    Before the First World War New Zealand had no gun control legislation and firearms, even pistols, could be bought just as easily as one buys a packet of Moro Bars (until the Health Nazis finally get there way). Yet the murder rate was nothing like as bad as it is in NZ today. In Europe, Switzerland is still one of the most heavily tooled up nations yet it’s suffered no killing sprees.

    It’s not the availability of guns that’s the problem, something rather more fundamental has gone wrong with society.

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  19. hj (6,995 comments) says:

    In December 2009 Bolton filed a complaint with the Broadcasting Standards Authority concerning the Ideas program on Radio New Zealand National, which featured Marxist poet and sociologist Scott Hamilton. Hamilton had stated that Bolton was an avid ‘holocaust denier’, had a ‘close relationship’ with the revisionist Adelaide Institute, insinuated himself into the anti-war movement where he made anti-Semitic and ‘holocaust denial’ statements, and exercised a bad political influence over ‘unwary youth.’ Bolton claimed that all of Hamilton’s allegations were incorrect. The Broadcasting Standards Authority initially upheld Bolton’s complaint on all grounds, and criticised Radio New Zealand for not having verified the accuracy of Hamilton’s statements before airing the program,[20] but reversed this decision in December 2010 and declined to uphold any of Bolton’s complaints. However, the BSA also declined to form an opinion on the allegations made by Scott Hamilton, and stated “for the record” the complaint would have been better made under the “fairness” clause.[21]

    In December 2009 Bolton complained to the Press Council against a lengthy feature article run by The Press, Christchurch, ‘A Right Muddle’ by John McCrone. Bolton stated that the article wrongly implied that Bolton was a ‘neo-Nazi Satanist’, that he was associated with ‘white power’ and ‘pseudo-fascist views’, that he was involved with the National Front and was the founder of New Right New Zealand, among other matters. The Press Council in a ruling dated for release as 26 March 2010, upheld the complaint, determining that the article is ‘inaccurate and biased’.[22]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Bolton

    A complaint upheld on all counts and then over turned but no opinion on the allegations?

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  20. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    EAD

    “America does not have a gun problem”

    You’re kidding right?

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  21. Yvette (2,812 comments) says:

    @ minus
    I had actually wondered that too: Why single interest parties are not a supreme conflict of interest?
    Left alone Judith’s glass of milk , private dinner and lunch.
    There was of course the Legalize Marijuana Party, may still be.

    And was it a conflict of interests for Louisa Wall to vote for homosexual marriage, let alone introduce such a self-interested conflicted bill.

    And after the precedent an Internet Party may set, the next I would expect to see: the McBaccocola Party
    an alliance of McDonalds, Big Tobacco, and Coca Cola who are all similarly motivated, and all in active strife with politicians and should all have their own Members of Parliament to pursue their (so far) legal interests and those of their many supporters, who together form a large committed section of the population, including many younger adults permitted to vote but don’t.

    Liberté, égalité, fraternité and McBaccocola

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  22. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ EAD (280 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    I am not religious, however, society prior to WWI was mostly regulated by religious belief. It was also, arguably, more of a struggle, and busy hands, tend to make less mischief (according to my old Grandmother).

    Society is very different today. People have far more leisure time, far more and complicated expectations, less family support, and the hierarchy of respect as gone. There are also many conflicting cultural behaviours.

    Add to that the influence of alcohol (more readily accessed) and mind altering drugs, less personal restraint, and then apply easy access to weapons, and you have the perfect recipe for disaster.

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  23. Nostalgia-NZ (5,195 comments) says:

    All quiet with the sisters flipper, described as dragging the chain. I’m wondering if it is anything to do with ‘disappearance’ of one of the respondents. I think there will also be an ‘effort’ to avoid the JR going ahead this side of the election. In a pragmatic world, with emotion put aside, that would and should have been settled long ago – but unfortunately others with the capacity to spend money not their own often lose sight of the expense because it’s not from their own pockets. Much more to come I predict particularly in regard scientific analysis because there is a wealth of it which words will not deny, each linking with the other and far and away from what ‘somebody said to somebody’ or asking questions ‘of why wouldn’t’ and the good old ‘what I would have done.’

    Haven’t read the bene thing in detail, in some respect the ability to travel – which is a freedom of course, is fairly inexpensive these days. We frequently get ‘special’ deals arriving at low fare prices. My retired in laws take advantage of them frequently to travel between here and the islands for less than a family grocery bill. On a related subjected of PIs reportedly moving to National in traditional Labour areas Mangere, East Tamaki – I don’t know if there are still restrictions on superannuation applying to have to be in New Zealand for a certain period each year, but if there are it would be a good expedient to accepting that the generation of the fifties and sixties, now retired, shouldn’t have to jump through hoops to get their entitlements if they decide to retire overseas.

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  24. iMP (2,384 comments) says:

    Love is Worth Defending. Join the Defence with Us. (Pic of Rainbow hat).

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151951692586372&set=a.489359751371.266952.10779081371&type=1&theater

    More cynical manipulation from Russell Norman appropriating the Greens and the NZ gay community. A new poster up on the Green’s FB page, against Colin Criag’s defamation. Norman is using the gay community as a human shield to smoke-screen that he lied, twice, and will not simply apologise like a spoilt brat. I’m sure Colin Craig is only pursuing this because of Norman’s lack of humility and belligerence. The Civilian just apologised, and Colin said, “thanks” and went away.

    Don’t like the appropriation of the gays here.

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  25. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “So, can all those gun loving nuts remind me why the answer to gun crime in the USA is more guns?”

    so can any of you potential dictators tell me why its a good idea to only have guns in the hands of governments? the only groups capable of starting wars?

    Bruv/ Pol Pot.. same shit :)

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  26. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    WineOh – Honest Trailers are freaking hilarious. Ive seen them all at least twice.

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  27. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    List of countries as of 2007 on Wikipedia with highest number of guns per head of population.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

    NZ is at #22 with 22.6 guns per 100 residents. Still quite high really.

    Here are the top 20:

    United States 89.0
    Serbia 58.2
    Yemen 54.8
    Switzerland 45.7
    Finland 45.3
    Cyprus 36.1
    Saudi Arabia 35
    Iraq 34.2
    Uruguay 31.8
    Sweden 31.6
    Norway 31.3
    France 31.2
    Canada 30.8
    Austria 30.4
    Germany 30.3
    Iceland 30.3
    Oman 25.5
    Bahrain 24.8
    Kuwait 24.8
    Republic of Macedonia 24.1

    Was astonished to see North Korea tied for 164th place… almost at the bottom with 0.6 per 100. What a social paradise that place must be. Or… I guess they don’t want any chance of any armed insurrection against the Dear Leader?

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  28. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Seems clear that National is at about 45%, clearly largest party.

    NZ first looks safe enough, if he’s at 5% now, he’s not going to lose that with the extra publicity, they always trend up closer, somewhere around 6.5% again looks likely.

    The Greens are starting to get squeezed a bit, but look good for 10%. Labour will probably get very low 30s.

    Without viable coalition partners, John Key looks in big trouble.

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  29. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ flipper (3,249 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 8:33 am

    Whilst I agree with you in essence, I think the system is still too loose and inefficient. Okay, so overseas holidays are checked, but what about local holidays – nothing stopping those. Hell, if you’re good at it, you can have a fantastic holiday and never leave your city.

    Technology is one of the biggest enemies of an efficient welfare system. When you have to physically turn up to receive your welfare cheque, it’s a little bit harder (especially if you are working under the radar and so on). A physical appearance allows the ‘officer’ to see the state of you – and assess if you are really ‘work ready/available for work’ – to see if you are ‘stoned off your face’, and so on.

    Put beneficiaries back on physical payment – that is, turning up in person to collect their benefits, and the numbers would drop over night. (Yes I realise the cost of doing it that way is expensive, and accept that sickness beneficiaries cannot necessarily leave their homes). But for many, it would be a huge wake up, and sort out those in genuine need from the slackers.

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  30. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Love is Worth Defending. Join the Defence with Us. (Pic of Rainbow hat).

    It’s actually an extremely clever move by Craig, since every dollar donated to the Gweens for this campaign is a dollar less their supporters will be willing to offer them for their general campaign fund.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…

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  31. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Was astonished to see North Korea tied for 164th place… almost at the bottom with 0.6 per 100. What a social paradise that place must be. Or… I guess they don’t want any chance of any armed insurrection against the Dear Leader?”
    sums it up nicely!

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  32. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    When is there ever going to be an apologist for bludging beneficiaries that does not have either a pommie or Irish accent? Have they stuffed their own countries to the extent they need to start somewhere else to sate their envious political agendas.

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  33. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Flipper and Judith

    This beneficiary / travel issue is another bit of poor communication from the Government or twisting of the facts by the MSM. The only beneficiaries who are affected are those on some sort of “getting into a job” grant not the general dole payment receivers, as I understand it.

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  34. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Colin Craig – hes polling around 2% now?

    A party who’s not in office.. is hated by the media… months out from the election..

    Worst case scenario – he peaks at 4% and all those votes are wasted.

    Best case – he gets about 3% and brings a few dopes with him who do bugga all, but they prop up the govt

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  35. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ross12
    There is no more unemployment benefit; it is now all ‘jobseeker support’, so I think this restriction applies to all beneficiaries.

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  36. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

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  37. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    A correction to my comment above –from W/o I read this

    “Bennett said more than 1750 people have had their benefit suspended for multiple overseas trips since July.

    The largest group of suspensions applied to nearly 11,200 people on job seeker benefits, followed by more than 4800 solo parents and about 3500 on the supported living payment”
    So obviously more details have come out since yesterday.

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  38. Yoza (1,872 comments) says:

    mandk (651 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    Nice one bb, you’re poking a stick into a libertarian wasp nest.
    Don’t you know that guns don’t kill people? People kill people.

    Sledgehammer:“No they don’t, bullets kill people.”

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  39. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Ross12 (906 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    My understanding is that all benefits (excluding sickness, and DPB with children under a certain age) are now Job Seeker, (especially unemployed) and that all recipients must be available for work and actively seeking employment (which one can’t do if they are in a perpetual party/holiday mode). I really should check the WINZ site, it probably as more info but I think in most cases you are expected to be available and work ready.

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  40. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    @ Dime, yeah those trailers are genius… I just discovered them this morning & have watched about half of them back to back. Warning- do not watch with a full bladder as you run a serious risk of pissing yourself.

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  41. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    As Malaysian Flight 370 is missing so 4 Patent Holders of a Defense semiconductor leaving only Jacob Rothschild as the sole owner.

    “Wouldn’t be the FIRST time our government tried to STEAL someone’s patents..Just look at Bryzinski’s cancer (very affective) treatment..The government has tried to STEAL his patents when they were IN the patent office. ”

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  42. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    wiki – ever met a conspiracy theory you didnt like?

    im all for being skeptical but goddam, get a new hobby

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  43. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis
    I assume you are referring to Stanislaw Burzynski, the cancer ‘curing’ charlatan.

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  44. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Bullets don’t kill people. It’s the impact created by the bullet meeting soft flesh that kills people.

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  45. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (1,161 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    Actually you are all wrong – in every single case, it is the fact the heart is not beating that causes death. :-)

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  46. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Hah, very good Judith. :)

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  47. Manolo (13,749 comments) says:

    The changing face of Chicago: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/03/amazing-graphic-shows-chicagos-middle-class-disappear-before-your-eyes/

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  48. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    My wife has yet another funeral today. That’s 12 this year. Papa Death has been very busy.

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  49. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Not very good hunting weapons

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  50. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Judith & mikenmild –thanks , my misunderstanding of the terminology

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  51. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Maybe NZ needs to experience something like this, to shock us all into the realisation that we need a shake up of our whole political system, which perhaps means getting rid of the old National/Labour divide and having options that reflect more on the needs of current society and global conditions.

    IMO much of the problem is that people think in terms of whether they need to do something then whether they should do something.
    Need based thinking leaves people in a permanent state of crisis management.

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  52. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    You can tell when everyone is still stuck in the last century. Thank God the the misguided Christians of today don’t have that much power anymore. We need to go republic and transform ourselves from a bunch of past looking romantic idiots to truly be a sovereign nation. We’re the only ones down here, all we have is Oz and the Islands, no matter what we will always be vulnerable.

    The most fearful thing i have ever heard come out of a middle aged man of means was ” Someone too strong will come along.” I replied “There’s already someone in there now who has the approval of a good chunk of the nation who is strong and central.” Our generations need to adopt the soractic method to free our children of repeating our mistakes.

    Fear is the little feeder that eats at everyone.

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  53. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “Mandatory Euthanasia” for Senior Citizens to Be Part of Obama Care? Media
    analyst and author Mark Dice asks random people if they’ll sign a petition to support the “mandatory” euthanasia provision in Obama Care to help keep healthcare costs down by putting senior citizens to sleep. Shot in San Diego, California

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  54. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    For posters who frequently joust about Israel etc, a human story about anti-Semitism in Hungary and the extreme racist who found he was Jewish.

    After learning his family history and undergoing the chop from a circumciser from Israel, has well and truly jumped the political fence.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-hungarian-right-wing-extremist-explores-his-jewish-roots-a-962156.html#ref=nl-international

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  55. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    In Europe, Switzerland is still one of the most heavily tooled up nations yet it’s suffered no killing sprees.

    FFS, every time there’s a mass shooting the same tripe is trotted out.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/mythbusting-israel-and-switzerland-are-not-gun-toting-utopias/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Menznau_shooting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanshorn_shooting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zug_massacre

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  56. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    NZ banks embroiled in global inquiry

    New Zealand banks are embroiled in a global investigation into foreign-exchange manipulation, but the regulator will not say which banks have been put under the spotlight.

    Market watchdogs around the world are cracking down on the NZ$6.2-trillion-a-day foreign exchange market, after suggestions that senior traders have colluded to influence currency movements.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9902489/NZ-banks-embroiled-in-global-inquiry

    Collusion is the closest thing to saying conspiracy. But the law does use the term conspiracy.

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  57. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Jack5,

    Yes I saw that story a while back. That’s the problem with genuine racism. What happens when you find out your not one of the racially “pure”?

    Fascinating example.

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  58. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yeah, ‘conspiracy’ only appears about half a dozen times in the Crimes Act.

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  59. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    The US government masterminded the creation of a “Cuban Twitter” – a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba.

    It was built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned.

    The project, which lasted more than two years and drew tens of thousands of subscribers, sought to evade Cuba’s stranglehold on the internet with a primitive social media platform. First, the network would build a Cuban audience, mostly young people; then, the plan was to push them toward dissent.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9903069/US-built-secret-Cuban-Twitter-to-stoke-unrest

    This conspiracy is no theory. What else is the NSA run US up to. Kennedy was going to tell us. In fact he did before he was murdered.

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  60. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    From another blog I read , a poster highly recommends the following book by Andrew Brietbart ” Righteous Indignation: Excuse me while I save the world”
    I think this is the same guy who started/owns the blog by the same name –Brietbart. Sort of like a right wing version of Huff Post.

    Briethart says he was brainwashed at university in the left wing way of thinking but changed “horses” later in life. The book explains how those on the left in politics think and go about the political process –largely from an USA perspective by what the reviewer is saying.

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  61. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “Yeah, ‘conspiracy’ only appears about half a dozen times in the Crimes Act.”

    Which makes it a legal term if it appears once trivialist.

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  62. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    We need to go republic and transform ourselves from a bunch of past looking romantic idiots to truly be a sovereign nation.

    Need implies a threat. What is the threat?

    Fear is the little feeder that eats at everyone.

    Fear can tell us that a threat exists.

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  63. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Generally speaking one gets conservative as one gets older.

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  64. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “wiki – ever met a conspiracy theory you didnt like? ”

    I don’t believe in shape shifting reptilians.

    Although, th emedia is shouting from the roof tops about the fraudulent banks in NZ today.

    Now, where does John K come from???

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  65. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Fear is the mind killer……

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  66. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Although, th emedia is shouting from the roof tops about the fraudulent banks in NZ today.

    Former World Bank Senior Counsel Karen Hughes has a lot to say about corruption in the World Bank.

    http://kahudes.net/

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  67. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Fear is the mind killer……

    Denial of a real threat is stupidity.

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  68. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ShawnLH (1,168 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Fear can also keep you alive. Fear is intrinsic to survival in many situations.

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  69. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Dididn’t get it did ya Uglynut?

    Never mind….

    Someone else will.

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  70. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Judith, I’ll give you a hint, it was a bait to see how many geeks are on today. Uglynut has no sense of humor.

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  71. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    That euthanasia is mandated under Obamacare is blatant and utter false hood spread by – well no surprises here -none other than the likes Fox News and their toadies who post here,

    http://aattp.org/lying-fox-contributor-andrew-napolitano-claims-euthanasia-is-mandated-under-obamacare-video/

    The contraception claim is absolutely weird and bizarre,

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/24/fox-analyst-bizarrely-claims-obamacare-contrace/198596

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  72. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (2,710 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Good point.

    The threat is being tied to a money machine called the Crown, it’s a spiggot that works for those that likes to work it. It’s not helping the peoples of these two islands but hopefully when all the money that is flowing has run it’s course then maybe we can move forward. Mind you while we are alive we are just observers of the transience of time and the ongoing evolution of ourselves. We’re all racists, it’s inherent. Genetic domination, we follow that which we are coded to follow and trust me you and i are following the code.

    Why do you think they’re so much innuendo on this blog.

    What gets me is that with the advent of so much knowledge available is the fact there is no enlightenment. We still follow the code. One only has to look around to see it, it’s all around us.

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  73. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Remember stephieboy that some of us Fox News toadies are very much on your side when it come to foreign policy issues and Israel.

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  74. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    Obama took a couple of minutes out between fundraising stops (for the midterm elections this year) to talk about the latest shooting tragedy in Fort Hood before going back to fundraising again. Because, you know, nothing is more important than raising lots of money so you can keep your power.

    As you know by now there has been another shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas. At this point, there are fatalities and multiple people are severely wounded. President Obama briefly left a fundraiser in Chicago to make a statement about the situation, saying “We are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”

    Obama spoke from Chicago Cut steakhouse, in same room where he just met w/ about 25 DNC donors who paid up to $32,400

    — Nedra Pickler (@nedrapickler) April 3, 2014

    Now, he’s on his way to another DNC fundraiser. He has been raising money throughout the course of the shooting.

    On Wednesday evening, President Obama was being kept up to date on the developments from the mass shooting at Fort Hood while reportedly attending fundraisers for the 2014 election cycle. According to White House spokesman Josh Earnest, Obama is in the loop while at the fundraisers.

    Now in Obama motorcade heading to 2nd DNC fundraiser in Lincoln Park home w/ about 55 donors who paid up to $10K

    — Nedra Pickler (@nedrapickler) April 3, 2014

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/04/02/after-making-statement-on-ft-hood-obama-heads-to-dnc-fundraiser-n1818176

    Yeh, just like Benghazi, and the NSA, and the IRS targetting, he promised, “We are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”

    Riiight.

    I have nothing but contempt for the man.

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  75. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “What gets me is that with the advent of so much knowledge available is the fact there is no enlightenment.”

    This should be good.

    Define “enlightenment.”

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  76. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Dear Prince George,

    A koha, a souvenir, something to read on the long flight to NZ.

    Out of the gate, and off for a walk, went Cheery McWavy, to kiss all the babies.

    Behind him the pack followed up hill and down, keen to be seen with the top dog in town.

    Muffin McJoyce whispered in Cheery’s ear, attack lines, fresh jokes for the financial year.

    Collins O’Lait was all cocky and strutting. But Muffin coughed hairballs, rudely interrupting:

    “You better watch out for that one, Mr Cheery. Don’t let her scoff scampi at Donaldson’s Dairy!”

    Terrier Hekia kept up the pace, fast going forward down all the pathways.

    English Bill pricked up his nose and his ears, insisting that in conclusion under Cheery McWavy’s leadership, together with hardworking families and businesses we have steered the economy through some of the most significant challenges we’ve seen in generations, putting us on track to surplus next year.

    The rest of it: Cheery McWavy – A Kiwi story for baby George

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  77. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Ross12 (910 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    It is my experience that leftie academics tend to dislike most things american concerning politics, however, the social sciences were vastly influenced by American theorists, in particular the Chicago School, although to be fair, there were also European influences as well.

    From a current perspective, yes, in the social sciences, American based theory features strongly and tends to dominate, but is also heavily critiqued by those that venture into the dark realm of questioning the motivations behind the theories. New Zealand Distinguished Professor Paul Spoonley (almost certainly a ‘leftie’) being one that appears to have been happy to question the Americanisation of academia, hence why he is ‘distinguished’, because he has done so successfully.

    Without a strong alternative to the Americanisation of political theory, it is likely that the dominance with continue IMO.

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  78. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The threat is being tied to a money machine called the Crown.

    Usury continuously sucks wealth out of the economy. If you don’t have real security any alternative can be infiltrated and subverted.

    What gets me is that with the advent of so much knowledge available is the fact there is no enlightenment.

    Knowledge and wisdom are different things.

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  79. EAD (1,072 comments) says:

    @ Reid 8.22am

    Thanks for the link. IMHO, Paul Craig Roberts is one of the best “big picture” geo-political thinkers in the World. A very intelligent man and obviously well connected from his time in the Reagan administration.

    On a related note, Jim Rickards released his latest book “The Death of Money” yesterday. Purchased it on Kindle and read it cover to cover (can such an expression be used for a kindle??) in 24 hours – just simply a brilliant book about the ongoing currency wars as the race to debase reaches it’s end game.

    Here is his interview with the Australian Finance News Magazine network yesterday:

    http://www.finnewsnetwork.com.au/archives/finance_news_network76398.html

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  80. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    ” however, the social sciences were vastly influenced by American theorists, in particular the Chicago School”

    I thought that was the Frankfurt School.

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  81. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Knowledge and wisdom are different things.”

    True. And you’ll be getting either of those….when exactly? :)

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  82. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    The Frankfurt School is a favourite target for the conspiracy minded. Its influence has been vastly overstated.

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  83. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    I don’t think it’s a conspiracy Mike. The CM’s were not hiding in the background, they were very public and upfront. I disagree that it has been vastly overstated. It seems to be pretty prevalent in universities from my experience.

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  84. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    EAD, Paul Craig Roberts is full of this kind of woo,

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/co-founder-reagonomics-paul-craig-roberts-there-probably-more-democracy-china-there-west

    He is the darling of Paranoid Conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones and Jeff Rense who take a particular like to his kind of woo. Paul Craig Roberts is also associated as a contributor to a DVD series proclaiming the imminent financial collapse of America and the Western world : The Fall of America and the Western World. Other contributors include the weird like David Icke and Joseph Farah and , of course, Alex Jones,the Prince of Paranoia,

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Fall_of_America_and_the_Western_World

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  85. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (1,174 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    The Frankfurt school has also had influence (My European comment) however, it is my opinion that the Chicago School continued their influence for a greater period of time, and continues today to dominate as a foundation for many popular social theories.

    Of course sociological theory is just about always rooted in the ‘founding fathers’ Marx, Durkheim, Weber and critical theory is based strongly on Marxist and Feminist theory. Although recently Phenomenology and Ethnomethodology have become dominated by more Positivist models, americanisation is glaringly obvious.

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  86. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    And you’ll be getting either of those….when exactly?

    Still butthurt after yesterday’s GD spanking, are we?

    Wisdom values life. The anti-lifers are big on genocide, warmongering, neurotoxins, depleted uranium munitions, etc etc…

    As well as usury the Anglican Crown has a history of religious genocide.

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  87. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (1,176 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Yeah, that made me smile. A dawning? Consensus? Letting go? One can get morbidly lost in the intricacies of that frikkin word.

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  88. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    … in particular the Chicago School”

    Speaking of Chicago, the following graphic has to be one of the saddest I’ve ever seen about my second home: Watch Chicago’s Middle Class Disappear Before Your Eyes.

    You can also see the effects of the truly wealthy – >200% of median income – as they squeeze out the poorer housing with gentrification around the Lake Shore Drive districts; little patches of red that survive as the green grows deeper around, until the red sections just simply disappear in the late 2000's.

    Remember that this comes during eighty years of Democrat rule of the city – the party that's supposed to about not creating a world where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer!

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  89. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Back to the genocide again Ugly. Do you have any actual evidence of this?

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  90. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “There is probably more democracy in China than there is in the west.”

    Did he say this with a straight face?

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  91. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Still butthurt after yesterday’s GD spanking, are we?”

    Oh I’m pretty sure the buttspanking was definitely all to you and Reid there Uglynut.

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  92. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    People like Paul Craig Roberts sometimes make me think I should ditch libertarianism. Some of my fellow travelers are not very likable people.

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  93. Floyd60 (92 comments) says:

    Yahoo reports “British Prince George’s first tour stifles Australia/NZ republicans” Interesting.

    See http://nz.entertainment.yahoo.com/news/article/-/22360542/british-prince-georges-first-tour-stifles-australia-nz-republicans/

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  94. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Do you have any actual evidence of this?

    Historic Breaking News from The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS) – Monday, March 31, 2014

    Massive Deaths of Aboriginal Children in Canada is officially admitted, as Genocide Verdict and Kevin Annett’s work are finally vindicated –

    “Canada, the Crown and the Vatican stand guilty as charged as disestablished criminal bodies” – International Common Law Court of Justice, Brussels

    http://itccs.org/category/genocide-in-canada/

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  95. flipper (4,053 comments) says:

    Nos…
    Thanks for the update on the sisters and JR etc.
    I agree that the JR might take some time to resolve and to fix a date…
    On the sisters…. extraordinary. Time to get judicial ass into gear.
    Bests
    F

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  96. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Oh I’m pretty sure the buttspanking was definitely all to you and Reid there Uglynut.

    Don’t you mean UglyNazi?
    Are you still sticking to your “Muslim dream of death to all Jews” schtick?

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  97. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You realise that the ‘International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State’ is actually a one-man blog, don’t you Ugly?

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  98. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    Shawn LH,

    Paul Craig Roberts a straight face.?

    Could be but !more likely,in common with most conspiracy theorists , mental and intellectual Constipation.!

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  99. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Beat me to it Mike. At first glance it looked very official. But it’s a one man WordPress blog.

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  100. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You realise that the ‘International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State’ is actually a one-man blog, don’t you Ugly?

    Still deflecting attention from the real issue, MM?

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  101. EAD (1,072 comments) says:

    @ Stephie 11.08am

    You say a collapse in Western Civilization is impossible but you also are a climate alarmist which is a very doom laden cult? Qué no?

    Why did Rome fall from being the greatest Civilization the World had ever seen and do you see any parallels in modern society?
    Self serving Politicians
    bread and circuses disstracting the masses from the important issues
    More people living off the state than creating wealth
    Barbarians inside the gates
    Cronyism
    Fighting wars in far away lands
    Massive debts
    a decadent populace
    Imported more goods than they exported
    and the main 2:
    Currency debasement
    Bread and Circuses: The Roman government provided the people with free gladiator fights (we’ve got Sky TV), and free food (food stamps). The people did not care about politics (what was yesterdays headline in Kiwiblog) because they had free food! An uninterested public greatly added to the fall of Rome just like it doing the same to the West.

    A collapse doesn’t happen in one big bang, it’s a slow decay that is inconceivable to most as from day to day you don’t notice a change – it’s only when you view in decades that you see how much rot has set in.

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  102. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    http://www.examiner.com/article/is-a-satanic-cult-of-global-leaders-murdering-children

    “The Ninth Circle Satanic Cult, a child sacrifice group composed of global elites, appears to be routinely raping, torturing and murdering children” it was announced yesterday by the ITCCS. Recent court filings against the international child kidnapping ring go to court April 7.

    Named as chief defendants for the Brussels Common Law Court trial were Pope Francis, Jesuit Superior General Adolfo Pachon and Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby. Among possible Ninth Circle Satanic Cult members named by witnesses who would testify at the trial were former popes Joseph Ratzinger and John Paul II, UK High Court Justice Judge Fulford and members of the British Royal Family.

    “Queen Elizabeth had direct involvement in the kidnapping and death of aboriginal children and Royal Family members appeared to regularly participate in Ninth Circle Satanic Cult rituals at the Mohawk Indian School in Brantford Ontario Canada” yesterday’s announcement proclaimed.

    According to two affidavits filed in court, not only did different witnesses see Ninth Circle Satanic Cult members commit murder, but claimed the brutal killings of innocent children continued today, some in sub-basement vaults.

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  103. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    flipper (3,251 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Flipper , whatever way the Defamation claims goes, it will have absolutely no bearing on the so far failed compensation claim bid.!

    UT, like you claimants, do see your doctor or psychiatrist as a matter of urgency.!

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  104. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That’s just another link to the ITCCS, Ugly. You are just parroting the claims of one man who pretends to be an international tribunal.

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  105. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “The Ninth Circle Satanic Cult, a child sacrifice group composed of global elites, appears to be routinely raping, torturing and murdering children”

    Speaking of saying things with a straight face :) :) :)

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  106. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You are just parroting the claims of one man who pretends to be an international tribunal.

    Ad hominem much, MM?

    http://www.examiner.com/article/is-a-satanic-cult-of-global-leaders-murdering-children

    The international court was set to consider:

    · Testimonies of two former Mohawk School inmates who both say they were present at the Ninth Circle Satanic Cult murder of a 5-6 year-old girl at the Mohawk Indian School in Branton Ontario Canada.

    · A copy of the ‘Magisterial Privilege’ that was filed within sealed archives of the Vatican library. The Ninth Circle Satanic Cult operated according to this canon law statute dated Dec. 25 1967. It was said to document that before each new pope assumed office it was mandatory that they participated in Ninth Circle Satanic Cult rites. The document referred to ceremonial murder of newborn children and consumption of their blood.

    · Testimonies of two witnesses who claimed they saw former Pope Joseph Ratzinger, Dutch Cardinal Alfrink and Prince Bernhard take part in a Ninth Circle Satanic Cult murders in Holland and France, one of a little girl in the fall of 1987.

    · One of those witnesses was Dutch therapist Toos Nijenhuis who in this video interview with Kevin Annett, discussed seeing Ninth Circle Satanic Cult murders as late as 2010. At least one of those murders involved former Pope Ratzinger.

    · Testimony of Anglican church researcher Leona Moses, whose 2011 interview with Kevin Annett and Mohawk elder Cheryl Squire could be seen in this video.

    · Testimony of a former Argentine civil servant during the 1970s Dirty War who took extensive notes of meetings between the now-Pope Francis and Junta military officials. Pope Francis’ fast ascension to head the Argentine Catholic Church was a suspected result of his agreement to traffick missing political prisoner children from Catholic orphanages.

    · Testimony of a police-accredited investigator.

    · The “G12” collection of documents of the Anglican Huron Diocese from the Church of England secret archives in London, Ontario Canada.

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  107. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    A poll on the MSNBC website.

    “Do you see climate change as a threat to your way of life or wellbeing?”

    83% say NO

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-do-you-see-climate-change-threat-your-life-or-well-being

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  108. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly, if it is an ‘international court’ you will no doubt be able to provide details of the judges and prosecuting staff.

    And you realise that examiner.com is not a real news site, don’t you?

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  109. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “The Ninth Circle Satanic Cult operated according to this canon law statute dated Dec. 25 1967. It was said to document that before each new pope assumed office it was mandatory that they participated in Ninth Circle Satanic Cult rites.”

    This is just hilarious. Better than anything on tv at the moment. :)

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  110. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    EAD (285 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Your list could be subsumed under the heading of the Human Condition. Human Nature etc that has bedeviled societies and civilizations since the founding of Sumeria and beyond.
    I believe the list of contributors like David Icke, Naomi Wolf, Paul Craig Roberts, Alex Jones etc are not qualified to give a prognosis on the course or decline of the US and the Western world.

    Note this comment about David Icke from my link,

    David Icke – The only non-American interviewee, David Icke played football at first and second division level before retiring at the age of later working for the British Green Party and later still becoming a political commentator. The Fall of America website boasts him as someone “[people] used to laugh , but now they come in the thousands to hear him speak all over the world.” Untrue.!

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  111. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Note the repeated use of phrases such as “It was said” and “suspected”

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  112. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, if it is an ‘international court’ you will no doubt be able to provide details of the judges and prosecuting staff.

    Non sequitur.

    And you realise that examiner.com is not a real news site, don’t you?

    Ad hominem.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/is-a-satanic-cult-of-global-leaders-murdering-children

    · A January 2012 memo from Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby to Anglican Primate Fred Hiltz in Toronto ordering destruction of forensic human remains and evidence of murdered children in the Mohawk Indian School archives.

    “In October, 2011, excavations commenced by Mohawk elders on the grounds of the (Mohawk) school revealed…bones that had been cut up in sections. Two of these bone fragments were positively identified as being those of a small child by Ontario forensic examiner Greg Olson and archaeologist Kris Nahrgang, as well as by senior forensic pathologist Dr. Donald Ortner of the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, D.C. Ortner died of undisclosed causes shortly afterwards.”

    Mass genocide of Mohawk Confederacy children began in 1832 at the former Church of England-Jesuit run Mohawk Indian Residential School in Brantford Ontario Canada. Since the 2008 discovery of a child mass grave site at the Mohawk School, there have been 31 other mass child grave sites identified at native residential schools across Canada, in Holland and the United States. The schools were mainly run by Catholic Jesuit priests.

    On Feb. 28 2013 this same international court found Head of the Anglican Church of England Queen Elizabeth and former Pope Joseph Ratzinger guilty of Crimes Against Children – the same day Ratzinger became the first pope in history to resign from his office.

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  113. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    I see that the liberals have had their way after the witch hunt against Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich. He is stepping down after being in the job less than a week. The reason? Because a six years ago he donated to a campaign promoting Proposition 8, an amendment that would keep marriage in California between a woman and a man.

    So, for that he was vilified and had a massive social media campaign set up against him.

    That’s liberal “tolerance” for you.
    You must think their way, or else.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/03/Mozilla-CEO-resigns-after-furor-over-gay-rights

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  114. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    All I’m asking for Ugly is a little evidence that the ITCCS is a genuine international tribunal. That shouldn’t be too hard.
    And examiner.com is just a multi-user blogging site. That’s not ‘ad hominem’ BTW, I’m not attacking anyone, just pointing out that site can hardly claim to be a reputable source of news. In the case of the reports you cite from examiner.com, they just go straight back to the claims on the ITCCS site.

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  115. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    It’s not an international court Uglynut. It’s a one man conspiracy site. Take your meds.

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  116. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    That’s not ‘ad hominem’ BTW, I’m not attacking anyone just pointing out that site can hardly claim to be a reputable source of news.

    http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

    Translated from Latin to English, “Ad Hominem” means “against the man” or “against the person.”

    An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.

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  117. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    But the fact that examiner.com is a site where anyone can publish any rubbish is not an irrelevant fact. How about pointing me to some more details about the ITCCS so that I can confirm its status?

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  118. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    EAD (285 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    More people living off the state than creating wealth

    a decadent populace

    The people did not care about politics (what was yesterdays headline in Kiwiblog) because they had free food!

    Just on this particular point I think you are off the mark. There is no shortage of worker productivity. The masses are not living off of “free food” while not “creating wealth”. There is no shortage of productivity and wealth, the problem is the hoarding of wealth by the well-connected and politically influential 1% (modern day patricians).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_productivity_and_real_wages.jpg


    New Zealand’s workers were more productive in the year to March 31, 2013, easily beating productivity rises over the past 17 years.

    Labour productivity measures the quantity of goods and services or output produced for each hour of labour. It jumped 2.1 per cent during the period compared to the average increase of 1.6 per cent.

    The figures show that while 100 products could have been produced in one hour of labour in 1996, 132 were produced in one hour in 2013.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/9840223/Kiwi-workers-more-productive


    Real wages have fallen considerably behind labour productivity increases. Depending on the measure, and putting aside the unadjusted LCI because of its difficulties, NewZealand workers in the measured sector have received at most 49% of the increases in labour productivity, but probably considerably less in the last two decades. The average wage shows them receiving only a quarter of labour productivity gains. These trends have resulted in a lower labour share of the economy’s output, suggesting a change in relative bargaining power.

    – Real wages and productivity in New Zealand, Bill Rosenburg

    http://ojs.victoria.ac.nz/LEW/article/viewFile/1714/1557

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  119. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    UglyTruth,

    You made a claim.

    Mike asked for evidence.

    You responded with a link to a website.

    Do you or do you not consider that website to be a reliable source of evidence? And if so, why?

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  120. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    Corporates live off “free food” while not “creating wealth”.

    Not paying taxes and getting free bonuses from QE stimuluses.

    NZ banks are also found to be criminal nests of fraudulence. Completely and utterly corrupt.

    Vile, vile, vile

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  121. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Interesting reading in the newly released horizon poll today.

    73% of 2011 NZ First voters, when in a forced choice situation expressed a preference for a Labour led administration.

    2011 NZCP voters split almost exactly 50 / 50

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  122. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,671 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    That’s liberal “tolerance” for you.
    You must think their way, or else.

    “Tolerance” means you are not allowed to express disapproval of anything?

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  123. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It’s not an international court Uglynut.

    That doesn’t change the facts regarding the testimony of the witnesses.

    Don’t try to dictate which witnesses are able to show the truth like you did yesterday, or you’ll be outed for lying again.

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  124. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    “Tolerance” means you are not allowed to express disapproval of anything?

    There’s expressing disapproval and there’s making a guy lose his job because he expressed disapproval of something himself.

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  125. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull

    Ugly Truth had links for his evidence

    Research those links

    Alo, research the RC church and find results you would be flabbergasted by

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  126. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    That doesn’t change the facts regarding the testimony of the witnesses.

    It changes the facts regarding the rigour with which that testimony can be reasonably expected to have been tested.

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  127. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull (6,522 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    “Tolerance” means you are not allowed to express disapproval of anything?

    There’s expressing disapproval and there’s making a guy lose his job because he expressed disapproval of something himself.

    “Tolerance” means consumers cannot make decisions based on the personal beliefs of the companies or individuals providing them with a product or service? :)

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  128. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “That doesn’t change the facts regarding the testimony of the witnesses.”

    Yes it does. If the blog is claiming to be an international court, and it’s not, then it gets to the issue of credibility, because the blog is already engaged in a lie.

    “Don’t even think about trying to dictate which witnesses are able to show the truth”

    What witnesses? All we have are words on a blog making claims. How do we know these witnesses even exist? How do we know they have made any claims? We don’t. You have not given us any credible evidence.

    You really are not well in the head Ugly.

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  129. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It changes the facts regarding the rigour with which that testimony can be reasonably expected to have been tested.

    What test could show their testimony to be false?

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  130. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    “Bullets don’t kill people. It’s the impact created by the bullet meeting soft flesh that kills people.”

    Bullets kill people – Sledge Hammer

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  131. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Beyond your less than credible conspiracy blogs, we do not know if this testimony even exists.

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  132. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    What you think is credible is not relevant, liar.

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  133. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth had links for his evidence

    Research those links

    I did. That’s how I learned that they’re blog posts by two people, both of who seem to be either delusional or con-artists.

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  134. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Found some info on thus guy.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/International_Tribunal_into_Crimes_of_Church_and_State

    “The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (or ITCCS) is a one-man blog that pretends to be a tribunal established to enforce common law.[1] Despite claims of being based in Brussels, the whole thing is written in Canada by Kevin D. Annett, a defrocked[2] United Church of Canada priest.

    The ITCCS came to some notice in the social media sphere in February 2013, when Annett issued a claim that Pope Benedict XVI resigned for fear of arrest on an ITCCS warrant[3] and the hard of thinking forwarded it around as if this actually made sense. The website did look fairly professional at the time; since then, however, it has decayed heavily. If nothing else, it nicely illustrates how the Timecube Law and Haig’s Law can go hand in hand.

    Previously, Annett had made his money claiming to represent the interests of native Canadians. Until they told him to damn well stop it.”

    So the Native Canadians he claims to represent have told him to stop. Says it all really. :)

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  135. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    That’s how I learned that they’re blog posts by two people, both of who seem to be either delusional or con-artists.

    The response by the Canadian state to the “experience”, as they euphemistically put it, shows that a real crime did take place.

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  136. Fletch (6,367 comments) says:

    “Tolerance” means consumers cannot make decisions based on the personal beliefs of the companies or individuals providing them with a product or service?

    Sure they can make decisions, put they started an online petition against the guy. DPF posted the other day about the online dating site that blocked the Firefox browser. Mozilla had employees tweeting disapproval of him. And all because he favours traditional marriage and donated to a campaign years ago that has that point of view.

    What if my boss had donated to a campaign in favour of holding gay parades in Auckland? Would anyone care? I’d be against his way of thinking, but I wouldn’t campaign to get him fired. Nor I doubt would anyone follow me.

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  137. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    “Tolerance” means consumers cannot make decisions based on the personal beliefs of the companies or individuals providing them with a product or service?

    I think it is at least debatable that being tolerant includes making decisions to punish individuals based on the personal beliefs, race, religion or sexuality of those individuals within companies providing them with a product or service.

    I don’t think it’s debatable that there’s a big difference between what was done to that CEO and “expressing disapproval of anything”, as you put it.

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  138. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Kevin D. Annett is a one man nutjob, like Uglynut. He has zero credibility, is not an international court of any kind, has lied on more than one occasion, and does not even represent the people he claims to.

    LIES.

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  139. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    So the Native Canadians he claims to represent have told him to stop. Says it all really.

    Not really, he has some standing because of his history with the church. But without a properly constituted court he has very limited power.

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  140. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Oh cripes. Just Google ‘Kevin D. Annett’ and see what comes up. The guy is a serious nutter.

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  141. tom hunter (4,814 comments) says:

    Ryan, Shawn, Stephieboy,…. mikenmild …

    Did you guys not have enough with UglyTruth and Reid on yesterday’s GD (339 comments)?

    Do you think you’ll pry them loose from their insanities? What’s the point of continuing to engage, at least to the degree that you all are?

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  142. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Do you think you’ll pry them loose from their insanities?

    What insanities?

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  143. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “What insanities?”

    Pretty much everything you say.

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  144. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    You really are not well in the head Ugly.

    Irony of the year. Tell us Lee, this surgery you had, it wasn’t on your brain, was it?

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  145. Lance (2,654 comments) says:

    What Tom hunter said….

    Seriously, this is getting old.

    Ugly and Reids world is only bearable because they know something you don’t so they are never going to give that up.

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  146. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    Ryan, Shawn, Stephieboy,…. mikenmild …

    Did you guys not have enough with UglyTruth and Reid on yesterday’s GD (339 comments)?

    Do you think you’ll pry them loose from their insanities? What’s the point of continuing to engage, at least to the degree that you all are?

    Asking that question is the thin end of the wedge, Tom. If I start asking it now, who knows where I’ll end up. *cough* : )

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  147. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Ugly and Reids world is only bearable because they know something you don’t so they are never going to give that up.

    And despite never meeting me and I’m guessing never meeting UT, you “know” this how, Lance?

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  148. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly and Reids world is only bearable because they know something you don’t so they are never going to give that up.

    LOL

    I’m quite happy to tell you what I know.

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  149. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    tom
    Because if find it to be quite entertaining.
    Ugly
    Anyway, back to the sources you quote re the Queen and the Canadian genocide. Why do you find those sources credible?

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  150. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Apparently one of Kevin D. Annett’s claims is that he has “dissolved” the State of Canada!!!!! :)

    This is interesting:

    “Today I learned some deeply disturbing information that you’ve been promoting a man named Kevin Annett- a con-artist who has been abusing Canada’s indigenous communities for many years. I’m writing to warn you about Annett, and to appeal to you to help reverse the damage he’s caused.

    Annett is a former United Church minister who holds the distinction as the only person who has ever been defrocked by the church. The church gave Annett plenty of chances to keep his robe, but as his behaviour became increasingly erratic, they gave him the option of visiting a psychiatrist- he refused, and the relationship was over. Since that happened, Annett has been on a crusade to get revenge against the church.

    Annett took on a very serious and genuine issue- the Indian residential schools are a black mark in Canadian history, and many children suffered from abuse. The problem is that Annett has only continued the pattern of abuse- appropriating the voices of indigenous communities, and viciously slandering native people who are brave enough to take a stand against the damage he’s been doing.”

    http://www.genuinewitty.com/2014/01/17/dear-roseanne-barr-stop-promoting-kevin-annett-hes-a-monster/

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  151. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Anyway, back to the sources you quote re the Queen and the Canadian genocide. Why do you find those sources credible?

    Because they fit a wider pattern of behaviour of violent oppression of minorities, looked at from a historical perspective.

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  152. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m not disputing widespread oppression of minorities, and the record of the native schools in Canada seems pretty appalling, but I think you need to find some more credible evidence before asserting genocide and then linking the Queen to said genocide.

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  153. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/dia_archives_index.html

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  154. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    Reading that crazy ITCCS blog reminded me of an ihug user blog I found 16 years ago.

    Incredibly, it still exists, and I’ve found it.

    http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ronald/frame.htm

    This guy’s name was Ron Engel. My recollection is a bit fuzzy, but I think he believed he was the rightful King of England (ENGEL-LAND) and that some shopping plaza in Upper Hutt was the third centre of arcane power in the world alongside Stonehenge and Long Island.

    Here’s a sample:

    1931 Birthdate to 1953 arrival New Zealand added inclusive equals 44666. The map New Zealand pictures his name. The Piscean Age lasted 2221 years multiplied by the 19 cycles of the Hebrew & Babylonian Calendars = 42199 the Man/Child 2nd, birth age 11. The Gregorian Calendar shows the first birth date 18-7-1931. Cusp of the Ages 18th July 1942. Day of year from 42199.

    And…

    THE FIVE WELLS EQUAL THE BLOOD OF THE FIVE WOUNDS OF CHRIST

    THE FOURTH WELL OF EN – RO – GEL IS CALLED ANANYZAPTA {11 SAM. 17 -17 }

    THUS WE FIND ” Y ” THE UNKNOWN FACTOR IN NEW ZEALAND

    It’s great stuff. Very into his numbers.

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  155. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly, that’s just another website from Kevin Arnett. Credible sources please, not one man who pretends to be an international tribunal.

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  156. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ryan, you found another crazy site on the internet. How do you do it?

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  157. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    Ryan, you found another crazy site on the internet. How do you do it?

    What can I say – I have a gift. I’m thinking of going pro.

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  158. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    So, can all those gun loving nuts remind me why the answer to gun crime in the USA is more guns?

    You’ve been watching too much Piers Morgan bruv, which possibly also explains your lamentable cricket opinions.

    That aside, even if gun control was found to “work” (whatever connotations that term might bring) it is too late for it in the USA. There are something like half a billion guns in a nation of quarter of a billion. It’s not like NZ where gangs fight it out with their fists or baseball bats. You can buy a handgun for $25 from the rough looking guy on the corner over there.

    Point being: gun control only affects those acquiring and using guns lawfully. Unless you have some magical idea for all the criminals and gangs to hand over their arms then all you are doing is making ordinary citizens far less safe.

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  159. Longknives (4,738 comments) says:

    Now that the populace (via the media) have finally picked up on the fact that more than twenty thousand ‘beneficiaries’ have been swanning off overseas on holiday at the poor old struggling taxpayers expense- Can Harawira, Turei and co please shut the fuck up about the myth of ‘Poverty’ in New Zealand?
    Beneficiaries are having a laugh at out expense- while we are getting up early and working our arses off seems they are lounging around smoking dope all day and planning their next holiday..
    Angry? You bet I am- as EVERY taxpayer should be!

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  160. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    Now that the populace (via the media) have finally picked up on the fact that more than twenty thousand ‘beneficiaries’ have been swanning off overseas on holiday at the poor old struggling taxpayers expense- Can Harawira, Turei and co please shut the fuck up about the myth of ‘Poverty’ in New Zealand?

    How would you respond if someone found you 20,000 genuinely struggling beneficiary families in New Zealand?

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  161. Longknives (4,738 comments) says:

    “How would you respond if someone found you 20,000 genuinely struggling beneficiary families in New Zealand?”

    Find them- and I will eat humble pie!
    *But I want to see each of those families weekly expenditure on smokes, Pokies and Woodstock Bourbon before I start pleading for forgiveness Ryan…

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  162. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    So that’s 20,000 well-behaved families you have to find, Ryan.

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  163. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    *But I want to see each of those families weekly expenditure on smokes, Pokies and Woodstock Bourbon before I start pleading for forgiveness Ryan…

    What proportion of income would be acceptable for them to be spending on recreation?

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  164. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    So that’s 20,000 well-behaved families you have to find, Ryan.

    Yeah. I get the sentiment and everything.

    But when I think about the times I’ve lived on the lowest income – without even having dependents or, at that point, debt – the first damned thing I did when I got money was buy booze, because having no money sucks and it was a cheap way to fast-forward or distract myself from it sucking.

    And it took me years to quit cigarettes, and there were certainly plenty of times I chose to buy smokes over food. Again, no dependents – it was my food, not my family’s, that I was picking smokes over. But I failed to quit smoking many times while enjoying a perfectly decent salary and no real reason for stress in my life. I can’t imagine how difficult it would be to quit while under the pressure of being on a benefit and the costs of raising a family.

    Never been one for pokies, but then, if they’re anything like computer games, I can understand wanting that distraction too.

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  165. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    From credible web sites it seems around 3 to 4 thousand children were affected by the Canadian Residential Schools tragedy.

    It was certainly horrific, but it was not genocide, and Ugly’s fantasies about the Queen in relationship to the issue are just more of his hysteria driven nuttery.

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  166. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    $6 billion owed to NZ IRD by wealthy tax dodgers . you Kiwi Bloggers are absolute lie mongerers.

    https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10152053409636452&set=a.352820246451.152168.337477311451&type=1&theater

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  167. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    Incredibly, it still exists, and I’ve found it.

    Otis Eugene Ray and TimeCube – batshit since 1997.

    Children will be blessed for

    Killing Of Educated Adults

    Who Ignore 4 Simultaneous

    Days Same Earth Rotation.

    Practicing Evil ONEness –

    Upon Earth Of Quadrants.

    Evil Adult Crime VS Youth.

    Supports Lie Of Integration.

    1 Educated Are Most Dumb.

    Not 1 Human Except Dead 1.

    Man Is Paired, 2 Half 4 Self.

    1 of God Is Only 1/4 Of God.

    Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.

    Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.

    God Is Born Of A Mother –

    She Left Belly B. Signature.

    Every Priest Has Ma Sign

    But Lies To Honor Queers.

    Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.

    Your dirty lying teachers

    use only the midnight to

    midnight 1 day (ignoring

    3 other days) Time to not

    foul (already wrong) bible

    time. Lie that corrupts earth

    you educated stupid fools.

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  168. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    Sadly, of course, these are people suffering from actual mental illness.

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  169. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Wiki – I think what you are saying is $6b in effective subsidies given by taxpayers to your friendly tradie doing cashies, and that property investor down the road.

    Sounds a lot less sensational though, doesn’t it?

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  170. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Ryan – enough about wiki, Ugly and Reid for today.

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  171. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    It looks like Ugly slithered away after having his “international tribunal” exposed as a scam anyway. He’ll be back.

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  172. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘slithered’ probably isn’t the right word, seeing as he is so concerned about the reptilian shapeshifters.

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  173. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Heh, that’s why I used it. :)

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  174. muggins (3,639 comments) says:

    stephie,
    The reason why it is all quiet re that compensation claim is because that claim is no longer on the table, therefore nothing for anyone to talk about.
    So far as the defamation is concerned, who knows when the judge will announce her decision. But when she does I am sure interest will pick up for a while whatever the amount [if any] is.

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  175. Rowan (2,316 comments) says:

    Muggins
    You have proof of that or as usual are you just talking out of your arse? This is rhetorical by the way as we both know the answer to this don’t we!

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  176. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Excellent article here from David Seymour.

    The Monarchy Is Cosmetic, Constitutional Reform Is An Urgent Need.

    http://www.act.org.nz/?q=posts/the-monarchy-is-cosmetic-constitutional-reform-is-an-urgent-need

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  177. blondewithaniq (23 comments) says:

    Where’s National’s ‘corporate welfare’ reform?
    FYI..
    4 April 2014

    “As an Independent candidate for Epsom, back in November 2011, Penny Bright asked “Where’s National’s ‘corporate welfare’ reform?” as an anti-corruption / anti-privatisation campaigner.

    “How much public money at local and central government level, is being spent on private sector consultants and contractors, providing services for private profit, that used to be provided ‘in house’ under the public service model?”

    “Where is the ‘cost-benefit’ analysis which proves that the old Rogernomics mantra – ‘public is bad – private is good’, is actually more ‘cost-effective’ for the public majority of citizens, ratepayers and taxpayers?”

    “How many people know that in 2011, extensive research carried out by the USA Project on Government Oversight, showed that ‘contracting-out’ was actually twice as expensive as in-house service provision?”

    “It’s now 2014. Anyone else asking how many billion$ of public monies could be freed up for the needy poor on social welfare, if they weren’t being wasted on ‘corporate welfare’ for the undeserving rich?”

    Seems like a very pertinent set of questions to be asking right now in light of the furore over welfare beneficiaries..

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  178. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Does Penny have a genuine fan, or is it a sock puppet?

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  179. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Matthew Dallas, another Labour Party member, also a scribe at Manawatu Standard, disagrees with government policy on bludging beneficiaries, which he has in the guise of an editorial. This is a bloody disgrace, and as an advertiser in that rag, I will be looking for alternatives forthwith. This is once again, a person with influence, using his position to try and push his socialist agenda through his employer’s paper.

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  180. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I understand that penny actually gets votes in the race for mayor.
    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/AboutCouncil/HowCouncilWorks/Elections/Documents/mayorfinalresults2013.pdf

    BRIGHT, Penny Independent 11723

    MINTO, John Mana Movement 11593

    Blank; blank 7147

    It would appear that penny has considerable support among Auckland’s key fringe moonbat constituency.

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  181. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I looked up that editorial igm, it’s actually fairly good:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/9904889/Bennett-not-telling-the-full-story

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  182. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, that’s just another website from Kevin Arnett.

    So what?

    Credible sources please, not one man who pretends to be an international tribunal.

    First reference from the page:

    Link

    THE STORY OF A NATIONAL CRIME

    BEING A

    Record of the Health Conditions of the Indians
    of Canada from 1904 to 1921

    BY

    DR. P, H. BRYCE, M. A., M. D.
    Chief Medical Officer of the Indian Department.

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  183. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    From credible web sites it seems around 3 to 4 thousand children were affected by the Canadian Residential Schools tragedy.

    It was certainly horrific, but it was not genocide

    Credible? LOL.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/judge-calls-residential-schools-a-form-of-genocide-1.770450

    WINNIPEG – The chairman of Canada’s truth and reconciliation commission says removing more than 100,000 aboriginal children from their homes and placing them in residential schools was an act of genocide.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/18/genocide-first-nations-aboriginals-canada-un_n_4123112.html

    On Monday, former National Chief Phil Fontaine, elder Fred Kelly, businessman Dr. Michael Dan and human rights activist Bernie Farber sent a letter to James Anaya, UN special rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, arguing that several specific crimes against aboriginal people in Canada qualify as genocide under the post-Second World War Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG)

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/07/16/hungry_aboriginal_kids_used_unwittingly_in_nutrition_experiments_researcher_says.html

    Aboriginal children were deliberately starved in the 1940s and ’50s by government researchers in the name of science.

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  184. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Sadly, of course, these are people suffering from actual mental illness.

    Really? What is the diagnosis, Ryan?

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  185. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “So what?”

    Arnett is a nutjob. He is not credible. He is abusing Native Canadians by highkacking their issue for his nuttery, and has been told to piss off by them.

    That’s why.

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  186. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://www.wired.com/2010/08/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-theories/

    There is, of course, something deeply troubling about cognitive dissonance, since it suggests that we double-down on our beliefs in light of conflicting evidence. While neuroscientists have begun to decipher the anatomy of this mental flaw – you can blame your anterior cingulate cortex – I sometimes worry that the internet is making things worse. Although we’re all vulnerable to cognitive dissonance (and the paranoid style has always been a loud presence in American politics) we seem to squander ever more oxygen on worthless conversations about Obama’s birth certificate and the North American Union. After all, thanks to Google we can find “evidence” in support of practically any belief. If you can imagine the conspiracy theory, there is a website out there ardently promoting it, and a clan of fellow believers who share your peculiar obsession with fluoridated drinking water and the New World Order. The end result is that we never have to recant. We can always find another link to “prove” that the government is trying to “zombify” us, or that aliens are going to destroy the earth at midnight.

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  187. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Rowan (1,704 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    The compensation claim is still open, has not been finalised in any manner. Despite our learned friend (who is a legend in his own mind) fantasies, it would be extremely detrimental to the Minister to allow the claim to be in any other circumstance but still ‘open’. Should it be able to be established that she had made a decision, and had effectively closed the process and was not open to further knowledge etc, and despite on-going legal action, she would find herself in a great deal of ‘shit’ (not sure if that is a legal term) ;-) (the depth of which would be far greater than a glass of milk).

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  188. Rowan (2,316 comments) says:

    Judith
    Am well aware of that, Aunt Fanny would like to misrepresent the current status of the claim to anyone gullible enough to believe her lies.

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  189. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    I’m wondering which tribal elders elected Uglynut to speak for them and conflate their issues with his Satanic UFO Reptilian Shape Shifting NWO stupidity?

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  190. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Rowan (1,705 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Misrepresentation and Aunt Fanny are the greatest of friends. ;-)

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  191. Andrei (2,640 comments) says:

    If the USA conducts a “freedom and democracy™” campaign in your country life can get a little uncomfortable and very expensive.

    Doh – Americans are so dense, God help the people of any country which the US picks out for a “freedom and democracy™” campaign

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  192. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Russia nearly doubles Ukraine gas price in a week”

    Sounds like Russia behaving like a spoiled bully brat because the Ukraine wouldn’t bow to the Kremlin.

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  193. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    RUSSIA TREMBLES AS NATO ROARS.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26866989

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  194. Andrei (2,640 comments) says:

    Don’t be silly Shawn, Russia has been subsidizing and supporting Ukraine for years and now they have an anti-Russian American installed junta that is showing hostility to them they are biting back.

    The thing is that this should have been as predictable as night follows day

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  195. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Arnett is a nutjob. He is not credible. He is abusing Native Canadians by highkacking their issue for his nuttery, and has been told to piss off by them.

    You’re already been caught out lying in opposition to witness testimony, why would anyone sane believe you?

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  196. mandk (992 comments) says:

    @ mm

    I checked the Manawatu Standard editorial too.

    It acknowledges that a large number of beneficiaries have been receiving payments they were not entitled to, but it fails to mention the 5,000 or so who failed to reconnect with WINZ eight weeks after leaving NZ.

    I think it’s the Manawatu Standard that’s not telling the whole story.

    What is it about median that have ‘Standard” in their name?

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  197. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “and now they have an anti-Russian American installed junta”

    LOL :) Your starting to sound like Uglynut Andrei. How many US troops are in the Ukraine exactly?

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  198. Rowan (2,316 comments) says:

    Judith
    He somehow expects people to believe him on a ‘trust me, I’m right basis’ yet can never substantiate anything he says and thinks that by posting the same lie hundreds of times over that eventually we might change our view! He seriously needs a pyschiatric referral to the Mason Clinic.

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  199. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    RUSSIA TREMBLES AS NATO ROARS.

    “He also accused Russia of “violating every international commitment it has made” by annexing Crimea. ”

    Russia didn’t annex Crimea. The mandate to join the Russian federation was from the people of Crimea by referendum.

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  200. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “why would anyone sane believe you?”

    Posted by you Uglynut:

    “The Ninth Circle Satanic Cult, a child sacrifice group composed of global elites, appears to be routinely raping, torturing and murdering children” it was announced yesterday by the ITCCS. Recent court filings against the international child kidnapping ring go to court April 7.”

    So let’s have a chat about sanity……

    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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  201. Andrei (2,640 comments) says:

    Democracy is only valid if the result is approved by the US State department Uglytruth.

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  202. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Andrei, you might want to look at Uglynut’s posts before embracing him as a comrade. He won’t give your cause any credibility.

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  203. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Democracy is only valid if the result is approved by the US State department Uglytruth.

    I’m sure they would be pleased if that were they case. There’s more to democracy than free and fair elections.

    This link looks at democracy from a civil perspective, but at least it refers to the rule of law and due process of law.

    http://www.stanford.edu/~ldiamond/iraq/DemocracyEducation0204.htm

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  204. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    Really? What is the diagnosis, Ryan?

    UglyTruth,

    They seem to be schizophrenic, as far as I can tell. A friend of mine years ago spoke to a family member of the NZ-based one I posted. Got the impression that the issues were well known. I can only hope he got some professional help, or is at least happy.

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  205. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    RUSSIA TREMBLES AS NATO ROARS.

    Lee, you lose any credibility by quoting the BBC as a source on anything. This is much more credible than them.

    Russia didn’t annex Crimea. The mandate to join the Russian federation was from the people of Crimea by referendum.

    UT I wouldn’t bother with facts if I were you. Lee’s just had brain surgery so we need to go easy, lest something inside burst asunder.

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  206. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    If the last few months of trends of Kiwiblog comments have achieved nothing else, they have at least demonstrated the lack of uniformity of opinions of “left” and “right” and have made strange bedfellows of almost all of us at one time or another.

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  207. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Lee, you lose any credibility by quoting the BBC as a source on anything.”

    Riiiiiight…. :) :) :)

    I quote the BBC, and you respond with a youtube video with a whole lot of supporters saying things like this:

    “”watch the rabbis thrust their penises at the wall back and forth.”

    “Most Jews are assholes”

    “Great video please make a video about Bolshevik Jews who started the Russian revolution and massacred millions of Russians.”

    See the kind of people who agree with you Reid? And your talking about credibility???

    This is why I say your a Nazi.

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  208. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ryan, Are you talking about Ron Engel, or someone else? Schizophrenia is sometimes described as disconnection from reality, but that description could just as easily be applied to society in general in its self-destructive path.

    Edit: If you’re talking about someone on this thread maybe it would be more diplomatic for us to drop the subject.

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  209. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    More confirmation from players the market’s going to tank, big time.

    Honestly, if anyone hasn’t already heard this or doesn’t already know why it’s going to happen, they’re seriously profound idiots.

    http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/economic-JanetYellen-stockbust/2014/03/26/id/561923/#ixzz2xkTF4LEu

    But what’s the bet there are approximately 1.5 billion people out there across the Western world who’ll watch flabbergasted as the breathless journalists report the “shocking” news of the biggest market crash in history.

    Looks like I was wrong in my January prediction of Q1, but like I said then, I’m usually ahead of time on my predictions on the market and most of the players were picking Q2/3. We’ll see.

    This is why I say your a Nazi.

    And that’s I say you’ve had brain surgery Lee. Something’s broken in there, but you don’t seem to recognise it. I’m picking the knife slipped and the surgeon’s too embarrassed to tell you.

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  210. Andrei (2,640 comments) says:

    BBC is pretty slanted Shawn – its owned by the British Government and serves as their propaganda outlet

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  211. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    I want to know if Reid agrees with the supporters of the video he posted.

    “”watch the rabbis thrust their penises at the wall back and forth.”

    “Most Jews are assholes”

    “Great video please make a video about Bolshevik Jews who started the Russian revolution and massacred millions of Russians.”

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  212. Rowan (2,316 comments) says:

    A difficult round of Super XV to pick, the NZ sides are a real mixed bag, all 5 games could probably go either way, Chiefs probably the best bet, Lions have been a real nusiance and winning at home, Canes have been crap the Bulls game is a 50-50, will depend on the bulls, Would probably not pick the Blues to win in Canberra but we shall see.

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  213. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    Are you talking about Ron Engel, or someone else? Schizophrenia is sometimes described as disconnection from reality, but that description could just as easily be applied to society in general in its self-destructive path.

    Well, yes, all “going sane in a crazy world” aside, Engel’s rantings and the Timecube site display some traits of schizophrenia, as far as I understand it.

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  214. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    Edit: If you’re talking about someone on this thread maybe it would be more diplomatic for us to drop the subject.

    Oh, I wasn’t. I was referring to Engel and the Timecube site when I said it was sad that they’re mentally ill. Partly fuelled by a little guilt of bringing up Engel’s site at all for basically entertainment/fascination purposes.

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  215. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    Reid , Brother Nathaniel is two things- one a hate monger and two- off his tree.
    His alleged jewish pedigree does not endear him to neo nazi sites like Stormfront who find him highly suspicious.
    Oh dear.!
    Am sure the referendum in the Crimea went oily smooth especially with the presence of Russian Troops to provide some oversight.

    Judith and Rowan , the compensation claim is a dead duck as Iain Binnie unwittingly but most helpfully exposed big gaping holes in the David Bain narrative.

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  216. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    Andrei,
    The BBC in fact is run by a charter that gives it independence and guarantees from Government interference.
    RT and V OF R by contrast is directly controlled by the Putin and the Kremlin. No fancy charters and guarantee there.
    The UK Govt does not have anything comparable to Novostii RIA, again directly controlled by the Kremlin.

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  217. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Silence from the Jew haters when their vile filth is exposed.

    What a surprise.

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  218. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Now that the populace (via the media) have finally picked up on the fact that more than twenty thousand ‘beneficiaries’ have been swanning off overseas on holiday at the poor old struggling taxpayers expense

    Can you prove that any one of them used state funds to get there? Think outside your tunnel vision buddy.

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  219. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    @Ryan

    Timecube is referencing some pretty esoteric stuff, it’s not just random waffle. The 4 points – sunrise, noon, sunset, and midnight, are the union of the ancient and modern systems of marking off days. A four point solar system is symbolized by the solar cross, which is quite a prominent symbol.

    The sages said that some of those who attained esoteric knowledge went insane, perhaps the insanity arose from being unable to communicate what they saw to the world.

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  220. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    The sages said that some of those who attained esoteric knowledge went insane, perhaps the insanity arising from being unable to communicate what they saw to the world.

    Possibly that is the definition of insanity.

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  221. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Silence from the Jew haters when their vile filth is exposed.

    I’d favour the hypothesis that whomever it is doesn’t post 50 comments a day like you, therefore is less likely to be here at any prescribed time of the day that you are, rather than being a vile Jew hater. I could be wrong.

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  222. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “I could be wrong.”

    Yup. Both Ugly and Reid tend to run away when their Jew hatred is exposed. Sooner or later they come back.

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  223. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yeah itstricky, I think the process on Kiwiblog is that no reply means no reply, not “I give up”.

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  224. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    Simo Häyhä will be rolling.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/finland-frets-russia-launches-military-drills-its-doorstep-n67866

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  225. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Both Ugly and Reid tend to run away when their Jew hatred is exposed.

    I don’t hate Jews. Can you quote anything I said that suggests that I do? Wait, don’t bother, it’s already pretty obvious you’re a liar.

    P.S. Jews are Zionists are different things, don’t try to conflate the
    terms.

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  226. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I was asking yesterday (or maybe the day before) if you could explain for me the difference between Jews and Zionists.

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  227. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “This anxiety was heightened Sunday after one of Putin’s closest former advisers told the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet that the Kremlin would seek “historical justice” by reclaiming Finland and ex-Soviet countries as part of an enlarged Russian Federation.

    “Putin’s view is that he protects what belongs to him and his predecessors,” wrote Andrei Illarionov, according to a translation by the Moscow Times.

    “Parts of Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states and Finland are states where Putin claims to have ownership,” said Illarionov, who is now a senior fellow at the Washington, D.C.,-based Cato Institute.

    Illarionov, who was chief economic adviser to Putin until 2005 and is described by the Moscow Times as an outspoken Kremlin critic, said Putin could argue the Communist revolution of 1917 was a “treason against national interests.”

    “It is not on Putin’s agenda today or tomorrow,” Illarionov added. “But if Putin is not stopped, the issue will be brought sooner or later.”

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  228. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “Jews are Zionists are different things, don’t try to conflate the terms.”

    No they are not. I am not conflating them. Zionism is a Jewish movement. This is undeniable, and every historical scholar with a shred of credibility would say the same thing.

    Your trying to separate them, using, once again, laughable fringe theories, to justify your Jew hatred.

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  229. Ryan Sproull (7,116 comments) says:

    “Jews are Zionists are different things, don’t try to conflate the terms.”

    No they are not. I am not conflating them. Zionism is a Jewish movement.

    There is no contradiction between “Jews and Zionists are different things” and “Zionism is a Jewish movement”. Both can be true. And are true, in fact.

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  230. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Ryan,

    yes, I get your point, but in Ugly’s case he’s saying something very different.

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  231. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    I want to know if Reid agrees with the supporters of the video he posted.

    Do you Lee. Well I’m afraid you’re going to have to go jump on that, aren’t you. Sometimes I post things for humour value, sometimes I post things because they’re informative and add a new dimension to a topic, sometimes I post things because I want people to file it away regardless of whether or not they agree with it and sometimes I post things just cos I can.

    But one thing I don’t do is bother explaining why I post things to people, since that’s just boring meta-data that the people I care about can already instantly discern for themselves simply by using their common-sense.

    The people who I love as a Christian but whose every input I don’t care about, which include you and also stephie, at least until the latter learns how to think, may find that immensely frustrating since they’re by definition extreme idiots if they can’t even work out simple meta-data like why I or anyone else makes a particular post, but because I don’t care, I feel no need to alleviate their angst.

    Yup. Both Ugly and Reid tend to run away when their Jew hatred is exposed.

    It’s hard to make a post when I’m shopping. Truth is hard for some as well. I see a lot of people who can’t distinguish between that and anti-semitism for example, but I just write them off as the proverbial useful idiots who don’t even notice when the Western media plays them like a violin. I guess when you’ve just had brain surgery which went wrong that’d be some excuse, but given when you were in your former incarnation you were just as dumb and just as nasty, I’ve concluded you’re just like that deep down inside, my brother. Not a good combination but you can always change Lee. The question is, will you.

    There is no contradiction between “Jews and Zionists are different things” and “Zionism is a Jewish movement”. Both can be true. And are true, in fact.

    The reality is Ryan Zionism purports to be a Jewish movement in the same sense the Nazi version of facism purported to be a German movement or the Chinese or USSR version of communism purported to be a Chinese or a Russian movement. Zionism is a relatively recent invention disguised as patriotism but it’s a temporary overlay, just like those other movements were, with respect to the underlying culture that’s been infested by it.

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  232. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m more interested in exploring Ugly’s understanding of the difference, Ryan, but thanks for your help.

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  233. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “But one thing I don’t do is bother explaining why I post things to people”

    Of course you don’t. That would involve honesty and saying what you really believe. But you did post a video promoting extreme hatred of Jews, and celebrated by people calling Jews evil things.

    So was that for humor, or information? What kind of humor or information were you trying to convey?

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  234. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    What kind of humor or information were you trying to convey?

    Because you’ve just had brain surgery that turned into a medical misadventure, I’ll explain myself just this once Lee.

    Look at the third sentence of my post and draw your own conclusions.

    Obviously normally I’d be much more sympathetic to a medical misadventure victim if you weren’t such an a-hole on the inside. But since you are and since you were even before you had the surgery so that’s not the reason, I’m afraid that’s the last time I explain my posts to you and you’ll just have to work out the reasons in future like everyone else does, without even thinking about it.

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  235. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Zionism is a Jewish movement

    Then the correct statement is, Zionists are Jewish, however, as not all Jews are Zionists, the statement that they are the same, is not correct.

    That would be equal to saying Christians and Baptists are the same thing.

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  236. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I was asking yesterday (or maybe the day before) if you could explain for me the difference between Jews and Zionists.

    Jews are a religious or cultural group, Zionists are a political group.

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  237. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Reid

    If only he hadn’t tried to get the treatment on the cheap. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6rwmo2kts0r9g24/Shawn%202.jpg

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  238. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Well, that’s pretty vague, Ugly. When you refer to Zionists do you mean Jews who advocate for a Jewish state in Palestine or do you mean it more in the sense that Reid uses it – the evil leaders of the Jews?

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  239. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Off out to the movies. Bye all.

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  240. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    He’s probably off to see Noah.

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  241. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    As I just said above, Zionism is leading the Jewish people to destruction in precisely the same way the Nazi’s led the Germans and the Communists led both the Russians and the Chinese to destruction in their respective hey-days, when they had Stalin and Mao in charge.

    As we know after Stalin’s “unpleasantness” the leadership beginning with Khrushchev’s denunciation of him, gradually backed away from the naked iron fist but the velvet-encased iron fist continued till Gorbachev took it off completely decades later. One very interesting question is what happened to all the communists? The CPSU had only 3 million members out of a total population of 150+ million. It was the elite, in other words. They were all the managers, all the apparatchiks, etc. They didn’t just melt into the night. So where are they now and who do they support? We know Yeltsin supported the Oligarchs. But Putin’s KGB background gives a clue to where his support comes from.

    The Chinese third-way is as yet unproven because the only repeat only thing supporting their one-party state is the continued growth of the economy and if that tanks with a global depression which is the scenario just over if not on the horizon, they will need to clamp down hard on dissenting voices. The only way to avoid that from spreading in today’s information society, is to have a war. Either that or the Communists pretending to be capitalists give up their monopoly. Think that’s going to happen?

    Meanwhile the zionists. Ah, the zionists. Wolf in sheep’s clothing was a metaphor invented for them.

    He’s probably off to see Noah.

    Let’s hope he knows it doesn’t mention God and pretends the fallen angels are Noah’s helpers. Seriously. But whatda we expect from Hollyweird, populated as it is by all those zionists not to mention scientologists…

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  242. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, your definition of Jew is what (if, as you say, Zionists are not Jews)?

    Are you claiming that being in the state of Israel and supporting the state of Israel is something forbidden to Jews and those who do this have separated from the Jewish people?

    PS Jews cannot be Jews if they become Christians or Moslems, as joining another religion means separation from the Jewish people.

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  243. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    High frequency trading is not the scam. http://thedailyshow.cc.com/guests/michael-lewis/pwz0fa/exclusive—michael-lewis-extended-interview-pt–1 The scam is that there is one Banking Cartel that owns 40% of all the companies traded, 60% of their annual earnings, and controls the media just like the Wizard of Oz and his projection screen. See Stefania Vitali, James B. Glattfelder, and Stefano Battiston: “The network of global corpora…te control“, ETH Zurich, published September 2011 available here:
    http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf

    If you want to be credible, you’ll start exposing the real scam on Wall Street. Otherwise, just continue on as a highly paid shill for the crooks. Best, Karen Hudes World Bank Whistleblower http://www.kahudes.net (my last two videos in the alternative media are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMSF8mCR6M0

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  244. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes Reid, we know what you mean by ‘Zionists’. I’m really just interested to see if Ugly is singing from the same hymn sheet.

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  245. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Yes Reid, we know what you mean by ‘Zionists’.

    One interesting question is mm, where do they come from?

    Some of them are Khazars as I’ve said. The thing I haven’t explained is that the others are Moabites.

    You see if Khazars were the only present-day Zionists then they could hardly be held responsible for inciting the crowd to release Barabbas since they only converted to Judaism in the 8th Century CE.

    And who were the Moabites and what did they do? Hint: they’re the ones that caused the diaspora.

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  246. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, your definition of Jew is what (if, as you say, Zionists are not Jews)?

    Originally they were the people of the house of Judah, one of the two houses of the 12 tribes of Israel.
    It’s been argued that the Khazars converted to Judaism for political reasons and thus the Khazar Empire wasn’t truly Jewish.
    The adoption of strangers into Judaism involves the newcomers living amongst the people and observing the same law.

    So it’s quite possible that there are false Jews if you use the original test for membership.

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  247. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Well, wouldn’t you know, they both hit the Khazar myth at the same time.

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  248. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    The Dunning–Kruger is strong tonight.

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  249. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    The simple answer is that Jews set the terms for inclusion in their group identity (and Reid and Ugly Truth have nothing to do with this).

    It is ethnic, plus inclusion of others by joining a Jewish religious faith group. There is no religious group unity, though the Orthodox have the most status within the state of Israel. But they exclude ethnic Jews who convert to Christianity or Islam.

    The Neturai Karta group is one who identify Jews by accord with the Torah and who reject the Talmud. They are the foremost opponent of Zionism amongst Jews. Their adherence to the primacy of the Torah is something they have in common with Samaritans.

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  250. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    A man was just waking up from anaesthesia after surgery, and his wife was sitting by his side. His eyes fluttered open and he said, ‘You’re beautiful.’ Then he fell asleep again.

    His wife had never heard him say that before, so she stayed by his side. A few minutes later his eyes fluttered open and he said, ‘You’re cute.’ The wife was disappointed because instead of ‘beautiful,’ it was now ‘cute.’

    She asked, ‘What happened to beautiful?’

    The man replied, ‘The drugs are wearing off.’

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  251. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Are you claiming that being in the state of Israel and supporting the state of Israel is something forbidden to Jews and those who do this have separated from the Jewish people?

    The first commandment of the Mosaic covenant -> “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” (KJV)
    Here “gods” is a translation of the Hebrew word Elohim. Although Elohim is usually used in reference to divine beings, it can sometimes refer to men.

    Elohim: (plural)
    rulers, judges
    divine ones
    angels
    gods

    So to obey a ruler or judge who acted in opposition to the Torah would mean breaking the first commandment.

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  252. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The simple answer is that Jews set the terms for inclusion in their group identity

    Not in the religious sense, those terms are set in the Torah, not be the Jews themselves.
    Of course today someone can be culturally Jewish, but this is social like you say.

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  253. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The Dunning–Kruger is strong tonight.

    How would you know?

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  254. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    wiki, I came up with this about Karen Hudes from this blog which claims she is along with her husband a ” Marxist Jew” and a Jewish disinfo agent.

    http://republicbroadcasting.org/karen-hudes-whistle-blower-or-deceiver/

    Sigh.!

    UT and Reid will love this.

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  255. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    You must spend all day searching the net for jokes nasska? I liked that last one though! :)

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  256. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Last time the wife had an op and survived she woke up and smiled at me and told me she loved me.

    Never smiled nor said it since though! :)

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  257. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Time for another op JB. :)

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  258. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, the Torah law was a law for a covenant nation, one ended by the Assyrians and Babylonian conquests.

    Jews may have observed Torah law, as religious Jews afterwards, but not as a covenant nation. Thus they could do so wherever they lived etc.

    Ethnic Jews who restored their political nationhood did not claim that it was a restoration of a covenant nationhood.

    It is some religious Jews who claim that Jews should not be a nation/group except through in/their religion. And religious Jews are not united on the idea of a need to observe Torah law.

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  259. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    I’d have to send most of the flock to the works to afford another quacks bill nasska. Better to compost her! :)

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  260. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    Vile people.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/04/03/mississippi_sex_ed_class_compares_women_to_dirty_peppermint_patties.html

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  261. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    More about Karen Hudes ,

    Karen Hudes: A Non-Human Intelligent Species from Earth is Manipulating Humanity From the Vatican

    The first comment is pertinent,

    “What an earth is this lady smoking.?”

    The subsequent ones as well that allude to her over all nuttiness.

    Definite U T, Reid and wikiri territory. !

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  262. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Brendan Eich, under attack from gay rights activists for having donated a thousand US dollars to a campaign against same-sex marriage in California, has now stood down as chief executive of Mozilla,the maker of the Firefox web browser.

    DPF posted a thread on this two days ago under the heading “The New McCarthyism”.

    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/eich-steps-down-as-mozilla-chief/?_php=true&_type=blogs&emc=edit_th_20140404&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=4534124&_r=0

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  263. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    The Queens part of the plot stephie. She attempted to drug his Holiness with shit that mad Charlie’s been growing! :)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11232032

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  264. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Jack5, what do people who support free speech do now threaten their own counter-boycotts to protect people targeted for persecution? I was one who doubted that this could get traction, but unfortunately I was wrong.

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  265. srylands (410 comments) says:

    The Standard Tui Ad for Friday:

    “labour and greens will get more “air” closer to the election.

    the polls are also unlikely, in my opinion to be reflecting work on the ground.

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  266. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    I’ve wondered from time to time about what old Charlie grows in his garden.

    Always suspected that it was a cultivar of Salvia divinorum. :)

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  267. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    “labour and greens will get more “air” closer to the election.

    hmmm, I have been of the opinion that some of them have been deprived of oxygen. More air may assist.

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  268. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    I hope your intelligent lad hasn’t been turning you into a Tory Judith?

    We need leftie folk to give our meaningless lives reason here on KB. :)

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  269. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    I’ve heard that he possesses an enormous Echinopsis lageniformis nasska and that’s why Camilla always looks happy if a little shell-shocked! :)

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  270. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Well, wouldn’t you know, they both hit the Khazar myth at the same time.

    You say myth with such confidence mm I’m sure you know precisely why millions of people believe precisely the same as UT and I do and I’m sure you can demolish our collective stupidity just like that with an erudite touche.

    So why don’t you start by briefly outlining why we believe what we believe and then demolish it with your extraordinary insight.

    BTW, don’t bother telling us who the Khazars were, we already know that, but give us a summary of the evidence for them, then demolish it, is what I’m saying you need to do, if you wish to be credible.

    BTW, if a link to articles, books, videos etc from our “nutjob” sites isn’t sufficient for erudite people such as yourself to establish our argument, then you’ll obviously accept the same rejoinder from us, if you chose to post us a link from a nutjob zionist site, won’t you. Of course you will, that’s only logical, isn’t it.

    So go ahead mm, give us the full blast of your vast, vast understanding on the subject.

    P.S. You didn’t mention the Moabites. I’m sure you know they’re mentioned in the Bible. The question is, how did they morph into the zionists? Perhaps if you can’t answer that, then maybe Lee can.

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  271. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    Brendan Eich was a victim of a market where people can choose to express their opinion by refusing to do business with companies who employ people they disagree with. Unfortunately Brendan Eich’s employers decided their customers were more valuable than he was.

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  272. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    We could start with the helpful Wikipedia:
    A modern theory, that the core of Ashkenazi Jewry emerged from a hypothetical Khazarian Jewish diaspora, is now viewed with scepticism by most scholars, but occasionally supported by others. This Khazarian hypothesis is sometimes associated with antisemitism and anti-Zionism.

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  273. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @Johnboy (13,236 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    I have developed an allergy to politicians of all varieties.

    but I do like to keep my options open and reserve the right to change if I want to, however one has to be wary of party colours, which is why I won’t be voting NZ First – they say once you go black you never go back!

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  274. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Prince Charles finds an ancient wine bottle in the cellar of Windsor Castle. When he opens it a genie flies out and grants him a wish.
    Charles is ecstatic as just that morning he had reversed his Range Rover over the Queen’s favourite corgi and squashed it flat. He asks the genie to bring back the dog to life as the Queen would be furious and upset. The genie examines the dog which is splattered all over the drive and tells Charles that there is nothing he can do so he’d best chuck the dog in the dustbin.
    Charles then asks the genie if he could make his girlfriend Camilla Parker-Bowles beautiful as the media were always poking shit at her looks.
    The genie thinks for a moment scratches his head and says “On second thoughts get that fucking dog out of the bin again”!!!

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  275. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Reid, that some of the Khazars became Jews does not equal Jews are Khazars. Nor that Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars either.

    The hypothesis first falls when the DNA of Ashkenazi Jews is analysed and then again when it is compared to Sephardim Jews.

    Some claimed that peoples in North West Europe were the lost tribes, DNA exposes that for a lie also.

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  276. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    You should be safe Judith with Winston.

    He may be brown but I doubt he was ever in the same league as say Lexington Steele. :)

    Besides the smokes and the booze will have made whatever he may have once had wilt to a little warty thing! :)

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  277. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    We could start with the helpful Wikipedia:

    No I’m afraid wiki is dominated by zionist nutjobs mm. You can establish that simply by looking up things that you’d expect would normally be critical of Iswael and seeing how it spins. Most naive people miss that but then, you’re not naive, as we know. But you’ll need to try again mate.

    Reid, that some of the Khazars became Jews does not equal Jews are Khazars.

    Read what I said above. If you read that you’ll see I agree.

    Nor that Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars either.

    Yes they are.

    The hypothesis first falls when the DNA of Ashkenazi Jews is analysed and then again when it is compared to Sephardim Jews. Some claimed that peoples in North West Europe were the lost tribes, DNA exposes that for a lie also.

    I can give you sites that tell you the opposite DNA story, but you’ll then say they’re zionist nutjob sites (possibly because Fox hasn’t featured them – who knows), so what’s the point?

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  278. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    I think it’s a fucking disgrace that international Jewry is falling out with each other.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/26876961

    I hope it’s not because she’s been cooking Treif! :)

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  279. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m afraid I’d stack Wikipedia up against any of your nutjob sites, anytime. Wikipedia’s policies and editing practices mean that it is becoming an ever more reliable source. Your habit is just to dub anything you don’t agree with as ‘Zionist’.

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  280. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Sorry I meant “conspiwacy nutjob sites possibly because etc”

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  281. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Reid, so you believe that Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars.

    May I ask what is Khazar y chromosome DNA and then how come some Ashkenazi Jews have y chromosome in common with Sephardim Jews and Palestinians/Lebanese and Syrians (some call it northern semite y chromosome, and it is distantly related to southern semite DNA of the Arabs of Arabia).

    Need I guess, are you also claiming Sephardim Jews are Moabites? (If so how come “Khazars and Moabites” have y chromosome genetics in common?

    PS – there is no opposite DNA story. The DNA is evidence.

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  282. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    Pat reckons Vlad’s got the big fella in his pocket.

    http://www.creators.com/opinion/pat-buchanan.html

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  283. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Andrei will be thrilled, cha.

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  284. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    I get really really bored with citing links anyone can google SPC.

    http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/

    http://www.texemarrs.com/042013/jews_not_descendants_of_abraham.htm

    http://www.darkmoon.me/2013/top-israeli-scientist-says-ashkenazi-jews-came-from-khazaria-not-palestine/

    http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2013/01/new-genetic-study-reportedly-proves-khazar-ancestry-for-ashkenazi-jews-567.html

    I mean what’s the point? You’re not going to change your mind and I’m sure not going to change mine. Like I said, it’s terribly boring, given you too can drive google, if you’re of a mind so to do.

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  285. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    From your first link, Reid:
    ‘The new findings contradict previous assertions that Ashkenazi mitochondrial lineages originated in the Near East, or from mass conversions to Judaism in the Khazar kingdom’
    ‘…there was no evidence for Ashkenazi Jewish origins in the Khazar kingdom, according to the authors.’

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  286. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Reid, no one but you claims that Ashkenazi Jews are Khazars, some claim that Ashkenazi Jews include European DNA some of which may be Khazar – but they do not agree on what of the DNA is from Khazars as they have not identified Khazar DNA.

    The fact that there is y chromosome DNA amongst Ashekanzi Jews in common with Sephardim demonstrates to all but the wilfully blind that the Ashekanzi Jews cannot be Khazar, but some could have Khazar DNA. But as I said Khazar DNA has yet to be identified.

    Nothing further to say on your Moabite claim ….?

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  287. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “I get really really bored with citing links anyone can google SPC.”

    How about citing links we can take seriously? Both you and UT cite links that are a joke.

    The Khazar fringe theory, one that is loved by Neo-Nazi’s and Islamo-Fascists, has no credibility.

    Can either you or UT cite anything that is not by whackjob, batshit crazy conspiracy theorists?

    Stop citing junk web cites.

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  288. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    From the first link.

    Eran Elhaik, a research associate studying genetics at the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health, is split. He agreed with the study authors that the study rules out a Near Eastern origin for many mitochondrial lineages of the Ashkenazis but disagreed that it rules out a Khazarian contribution. “Jews and non-Jews residing in the regions of Khazaria are underrepresented, which biases the results toward Europe as we have seen in many other studies,” he said in an e-mail to The Scientist. Elhaik recently concluded from autosomal DNA that European Jews did, in fact, have a Khazarian background.

    David Goldstein, a geneticist and director of the Center for Human Genome Variation at the Duke University School of Medicine, said that the questions of whether there was a Khazar contribution to the Ashkenazi Jews’ lineage, or exactly what percentage of mitochondrial variants emanate from Europe, cannot be answered with certainty using present genetic and geographical data. Even if a set of variants are present in a specific region today, that doesn’t mean that the region always had that set of variants. Some variants could have been lost due to drift, or perhaps migration altered the balance of variants present in the population.

    This is why I can’t stand this sort of shit, leave it to the geneticists to determine and make your judgement on the elements you are qualified to determine for yourself, like geopolitics, history or whatever is your area of competence. It’s like assessing AGW without being a climatologist. It’s a waste of time, since how do any of us know if what we’re reading is accurate, whereas if we use our area(s) of competence we have a much better feel.

    Plus it bores me to death, delving into DNA, since I don’t care.

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  289. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    In reference to Hollywood Nazi Reid opined: “populated as it is by all those zionist”

    You mean JEWS. Hollywood is controlled by JEWS is what you meant, another standard Neo-Naazi/KKK idea.

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  290. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    “No I’m afraid wiki is dominated by zionist nutjobs mm.”

    Controlled by JEWS again. More Nazi – KKK propaganda.

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  291. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Does looking at pictures of half starved Jews in the concentration camps give you a hard on Reid? Is that the kind of think that gets you off?

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  292. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Lee be notified I’m not responding to someone with brain damage, and a nasty personality. Anytime you care to address me with respect, I’ll respond, otherwise, talk to the hand.

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  293. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Reid, the same report said that some Ashkenazi Jews had the same ME origin y chromosome DNA as Sephardim Jews.

    mikenmild, the reason for the mitochondrial DNA diversity is that Jews were polygamous till c 1000CE, thus often has a non Jewish wife from the region where they are living. Thus the difference in visage of Jews from different regions.

    et al, the problem for the DNA analysis is identifying the Khazar DNA to see what it is of the non ME y chromosome DNA and also what of the non ME mitochondrial DNA is from that source amongst Ashkenazi Jews.

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  294. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    I don’t respect Jew hating Nazi’s Reid, plain and simple. Get used to it.

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  295. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    You do realise Reid that our host on Kiwiblog would fit your definition of a “zionist” right?

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  296. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Again Reid, you were thbe one citing a study that found no Khazar origins. Not that it really matters, you will no doubt continue to grasp at pseudoscientific or pseudohistorical sources to support your contention that today’s Jews are lead by an evil clique of Zionists and that this is all supported by biblical prophecies.

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  297. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Reid, do you agree with Ted Pike on the identity of the “woman riding the beast”?

    PS – as a poetry metaphor/symbolism/semiology sleuth, maybe the women represents the ideology of the rule of government (the beast of power on the earth) – whether religious, or communist or capitalist. Wherever the ideology results in inhumane government – way of war, famine and disease.

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  298. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    et al, the problem for the DNA analysis is identifying the Khazar DNA to see what it is of the non ME y chromosome DNA and also what of the non ME mitochondrial DNA is from that source amongst Ashkenazi Jews.

    SGA, why does it matter whether or not Askhenazi’s are Khazars? What’s the critical nature of that point?

    It’s just I’ve always understood Khazars are Ashkenazis but I’ve never bothered to find out what it would mean if it turned out Ashkenazis are different from Khazars. I’ve just assumed they were and that Shephardics were the tribe of Judah. So what happens to that arrangement if Khazars aren’t Ashkenazis?

    Reid, do you agree with Ted Pike on the identity of the “woman riding the beast”?

    I don’t know. Who does he say is that? I do agree with him on the City of the Seven Hills = Jerusalem not Rome. That makes perfect sense in Rev context.

    Again Reid, you were thbe one citing a study that found no Khazar origins.

    Yes mm I admit I just googled and took the first things that looked approximately right without bothering to read them since it bores me frightfully as previously explained. In that sense I imagine it’s nothing different to what you guys do when I raise a question on something you’ve not done much reading in but you’re terribly keen to establish some counter-point or other in response because it doesn’t fit with your worldview. Go figure.

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  299. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    For anyone who gives a rats.

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-01/oup-nss011413.php?

    http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/1/61.full

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  300. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Most of Revelation, which was written at the time of Nero during a period of Christian persecution, is about Caesar and Roman rule. It’s not a prediction of the future in any literal sense.

    SPC, your take on it as metaphor for any tyrannical govt is very good.

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  301. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    All right Reid, I’ll back off the ad hominem and accusations, right though I think they are, in the hopes that your conversations with others might drive some sense into you. Sometimes I let my emotions get the better of me. Bad habit.

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  302. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    There is some odd stuff being turned up by DNA research, including the very odd discovery of Jewish DNA in Cherokee Indians.

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  303. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    It’s not a prediction of the future in any literal sense.

    Really? I’m afraid I don’t agree Shawn. Have a look at David Pawson’s ‘Unlocking the Bible’ series of lectures on Revelations, it’ll probably be on Youtube, it’s just ended on Shine.

    All right Reid, I’ll back off the ad hominem and accusations, right though I think they are, in the hopes that your conversations with others might drive some sense into you.

    Shawn as I’ve said to others, I have two worldviews. Yours and the other. I happen to think the latter is more accurate than the former but the same worldview which drives your comments is one I had till 2002, so I know it well. I’m not saying I know what you think, I’m saying I know what your worldview is, because it was mine too. But then mine eyes were opened and the odd thing is, I haven’t lost anything in the translation. It’s a shame more people don’t try it, but I suspect they think they will lose something, but you don’t.

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  304. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Yes, I have seen Pawson’s work Reid. It is interesting, but a lot of that way of reading Revelation was tempered by my theology studies through Otago, especially early church history.

    Anyway, apologies for the Holocaust statement, that was uncalled for. At some point I will explain why I’m so passionate about this topic.

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  305. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Reid, you posted the hour long video from Ted Pike yesterday on GD (3.44pm) in which he associates Pharisee Jews (then Ashkenazi Khazars)and then later Zionism as the harlot. Are you saying that you never watched it, despite expecting others to do so to share the background knowledge that informs your opinion?

    You claimed that Ashkenazi Jews were Khazars and when you cannot back this up, say it is not important. Well it is if you been arguing that Ashkenazi Jews are false Jews for not having ancestry in common with Sephardim Jews.

    So I guess you will stop doing this … .

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  306. Rowan (2,316 comments) says:

    Stephieboy
    Only ‘dead duck’ is the police case against David, sorry to disappoint you but you as usual are away with the faries

    ‘but most helpfully exposed big gaping holes in the David Bain narrative’

    Only in the delusional mind of an JFRB nutjob like yours truly.

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  307. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    Proceedings from the U S National Academy of Sciences

    Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

    Summary of findings from the Abstract,

    “…….The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18733/

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  308. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Reid, Revelation is not prophecy, it is just a premised on a cyclical view of history. Empires rise and fall and those oppressed by them rejoice when they fall.

    The end of history message is that all those who exercise imperial power (absolute power corrupts) will be judged for this abuse of power – accountable to God.

    Revelation is a warning to would be Kings about accountability.

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  309. stephieboy (3,014 comments) says:

    Rowan,

    Tsk,tsk,tsk

    Now calm down.

    Is a payout imminent.?

    When and where precisely.?

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  310. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Reid, you posted the hour long video from Ted Pike yesterday on GD (3.44pm) in which he associates Pharisee Jews and then later Zionism as the harlot. Are you saying that you never watched it, despite expecting others to do so to share the background knowledge that informs your opinion?

    I didn’t know that was Pike’s work SPC, the presenter didn’t look like him – how do you know it was him? I watched about 3/4 of it then didn’t finish it. And I agreed with everything I looked at to that point.

    As far as that particular assertion goes, I haven’t decided what Rev says yet. It’s a very complex topic and I may not decide what it says to my satisfaction for many years to come. But if that is one of the many many assertions made in that video, then it makes provisional sense to me that it could be, but that’s all I can say right now.

    You claimed that Ashkenazi Jews were Khazars and when you cannot back this up, say it is not important. Well it is if you been arguing that Ashkenazi Jews are false Jews for not having ancestry in common with Sephardim Jews.

    I’m asking SGA WHY to YOU it’s important because I have no idea. As I said I’ve assumed Khazars are Ashkenazis and Shephardics are the tribe of Judah. That’s because that fits with my view that Khazars aren’t real Jews they’re Jews who say they are but are not and all the reading I do talks about Ashkhenazis – for example, illuminati, Ashkenazi, media, hollywierd, neocons, zionists, all Ashkenazi. If you’re saying there are 3 groups, Khazars, Askhenazis and Shephardics, then I’m mildy interested in your reasons but very interested in the significance. So if the Ashkhenazis aren’t Khazars, then who are the Askhenazis, and who are the Khazars, and what does that mean to this palpable, visible group we see who call themselves zionists? Who are they?

    Reid, Revelation is not prophecy, it is just a premised on a cyclical view of history.

    David Pawson disagrees SGA and I personally rank him as one of the very best teachers of the bible out there. That’s not to say he’s a biblical scholar, there’s a difference between a scholar and a teacher, but he’s a brilliant teacher of it and he would not get such a fundamental point such as you suggest wrong, and as I say, to him it IS a prophetic book.

    Of course there are some in the church who don’t like it so some say it’s not prophetic because they’re frightened of its implications.

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  311. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    Reid, the Ashkenazis are just Jews, like the Sephardim.

    Zionists are not a race. Zionism is a 19th-20th century Jewish political movement to create a homeland for Jews in Eretz Israel.

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  312. Rowan (2,316 comments) says:

    Tsk tsk yourself Stephi dunce.

    Judith summed the situation up quite well in her earlier comment, shall I repost it for you, you are just like Muggins spreading shyte and misrepresenting the situation. As you are well aware there has been no decisions made and whatever the outcome of the case, whether he is or isn’t compensated doesn’t change the facts it just shows us like in the Thomas case that the police will never admit to stuffing it up and the justice in this country is a joke!

    Judith (5,535 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 4:22 pm
    @ Rowan (1,704 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    The compensation claim is still open, has not been finalised in any manner. Despite our learned friend (who is a legend in his own mind) fantasies, it would be extremely detrimental to the Minister to allow the claim to be in any other circumstance but still ‘open’. Should it be able to be established that she had made a decision, and had effectively closed the process and was not open to further knowledge etc, and despite on-going legal action, she would find herself in a great deal of ‘shit’ (not sure if that is a legal term) (the depth of which would be far greater than a glass of milk).

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  313. ShawnLH (4,999 comments) says:

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/zion.html

    The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.

    Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.

    Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism has come to include the movement for the development of the State of Israel and the protection of the Jewish nation in Israel through support for the Israel Defense Forces.

    From inception, Zionism avocated tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions – left, right, religious and secular – formed the Zionist movement and worked together toward its goals.

    Disagreements in philosophy has led to rifts in the Zionist movement of the years and a number of separate forms have emerged, notably: Political Zionism; Religious Zionism; Socialist Zionism and Territorial Zionism.

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  314. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Reid, it was Pike in the video, as he was when it was made back in the 1980’s.

    Zionism is today commonplace amongst Jews, but originally Zionism emerged amongst European based Jews. Not the same as Ashkenazi Jews alone, as there were Sephardim in Europe.

    As for Khazars, the extent to which they became assimilated into Ashkenazi Jewry or left descent amongst other groups is not easy to determine. They did not remain known as a separate people and the DNA trail is uncertain.

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  315. SGA (1,022 comments) says:

    Reid at 10:39 pm

    “You claimed that Ashkenazi Jews were Khazars and when you cannot back this up, say it is not important. Well it is if you been arguing that Ashkenazi Jews are false Jews for not having ancestry in common with Sephardim Jews.”
    I’m asking SGA WHY to YOU it’s important because I have no idea.

    Well… I must confess, neither do I. I’ve obviously been sleep-blogging again and I have no memory of this exchange. Please accept my apologies for any angst I’ve caused you – it was not my intention.

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  316. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    SGA, reid is schooling us in the alphabet, abc’s, of conspiracy theory.

    Then has the temerity to ask why when anyone bothers to demonstrate that his conspiracy theory is full of holes.

    My cynical side says he is being deliberately provocative with the Khazar nonsense and thus the questioning of those who critique his message is par for the course.

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  317. SGA (1,022 comments) says:

    SPC at 11:06 pm

    SGA, reid is schooling us in the alphabet, abc’s, of conspiracy theory.

    You’ve been pretending to be me again, haven’t you – you bastard. I wish you’d stop doing that. I’ve had to pay for DNA tests in three paternity suits already this year. I suppose you think it’s funny.
    ‘night all.

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  318. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    The originators.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvi_Hirsch_Kalischer

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_Alkalai

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  319. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Reid, it was Pike in the video, as he was when it was made back in the 1980′s.

    I didn’t recognise him.

    Zionists are not a race. Zionism is a 19th-20th century Jewish political movement to create a homeland for Jews in Eretz Israel.

    Zionism is today commonplace amongst Jews, but originally Zionism emerged amongst European based Jews.

    Yes, I know Zionism is a political movement. The connection is in my worldview, those Jews in the Illuminati are Ashkenazis. Rothschild for example are Ashkenazi Jews, so are most of those Illuminati families who are Jewish, like the Bronfmans, who own Time Warner, for example. Not all Illuminati are Jews but as far as I know, all Jews who are Illuminati are Ashkenazi. There are many Jews who are Zionists but who aren’t Ashkenazi but they dance to the Ashkenazi aka Illuminati tune, in respect to the Zionist agenda, which is set by the Illuminati.

    I am only using the word Illuminati because it’s a word you recognise. They cover politics, media, finance, defence, academia. This is how they get the US to dance to Israel’s tune, because the Zionists set the agenda, control the message, control Congress in respect of the Israeli agenda and control academics. For example, see my link to Shelden Adelson on his interviews with the candidates for the next president of the US. I guarantee it will be one of them, my current pick is Jeb Bush. But they often surprise. Also as another example, see how they got Walt Meishem and the other guy kicked out of tenured jobs for daring to expose their influence.

    This is not to mention what they do in Israel.

    That’s how it works at 100,000 foot level. I told you yesterday IMO their objective is to destroy Israel. I said above they overlay the people just like the Nazi’s overlaid the German people and the commies overlaid the Chinese and the Russians. Incidentally the Bolsheviks were Ashkenazi Jews as well. Look it up.

    Ashkenazis are the people who walk down the street and make you get out of their way. They give other Jews a bad name. That’s who they are and because they’re highly intelligent they get into positions of power in societies and control the messaging. So no-one can criticise them and if they ever are they scream the holocaust meme to the rafters.

    That’s it in a nutshell.

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  320. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    SGA, I suspect that when one crosses one conspiracy theory with another the confusion, as to the truth of it all, just multiplies.

    No one is any longer the paternal father of truth and thus we are all complicit in some lie. Unless when we can offload blame onto some “woman” who had a ride.

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  321. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Reid, I tend to see the idea of a singular group active organising the world and its development/change a little far fetched.

    It seems to parallel earlier beliefs that natural events were acts of god and the rise and fall of nations in relative power was the work of God to punish the wicked (as if the wicked were the militarily weak and the real offense was to be without military power). As if to be associated with god was to have power in the world, or to deserve to have power, and if others of a different way were in power this was to be demonised as some perverse conspiracy against the righteous.

    It’s a fatalism as to either God and the righteous or the other being dominant at the time. It’s a prophecy ride of an analysis of current events.

    That Jews have been weak and subordinated under Assyria/Babylon and then under Rome and Christendom and Islam, and now are equal in secular society and have their own nation state does not make them the world ruling power. That Jews connect with each other and also inter-act when they can with power brokers in the wider society, is what there is as to truth of their place in a now more secular world.

    Jews being involved in political developments of recent centuries and now active in support of Zionism might concern Christians and Moslems who do not support Zionism and who would prefer a polity that did not allow Jews any influence.

    But the absence of this preference is not Jewish dominance or evidence of some conspiracy.

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  322. Sonny Blount (1,782 comments) says:

    cha (3,475 comments) says:
    April 4th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
    Brendan Eich was a victim of a market where people can choose to express their opinion by refusing to do business with companies who employ people they disagree with. Unfortunately Brendan Eich’s employers decided their customers were more valuable than he was.

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    Conflating OkCupid with Mozilla’s customers is a big mistake

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  323. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Reid, I tend to see the idea of a singular group active organising the world and its development/change a little far fetched.

    The evidence is there when you look at it SPC, same as the evidence is there for 911 being a bunch of bollocks and JFK being killed by people other than LHO.

    Reid, I tend to see the idea of a singular group active organising the world and its development/change a little far fetched.

    No God is always dominent, He’s permitting His-story to run its course, just as He has predicted it will. If you’re waiting for Him to step in and stop the evil, forget it, He’s not going to do that, that’s our job. Why do you think I bother to tell people what I already know? Why do you think anyone who publishes this stuff does that? Why waste our time? Because the only thing they fear is knowledge of their plans, because we’ the people are the only ones who can stop them. God isn’t going to. And He’s prophesied we’ll fail. But why do you think they’ve introduced all that surveillance and big brother stuff esp in the States but also in the UK? Why? I mean, police in the US now run round in APC’s. Why? Legislation is enacted, waiting in the wings, all the trappings of a 21st century police state with none of the mistakes and shortcomings of the Gestapo and all the lessons learned since then is now, right now, today, in place.

    Look it up.

    No conspiwacy. Fact.

    Question to you is, why is it all there, just waiting?

    That Jews have been weak and subordinated under Assyria/Babylon and then under Rome and Christendom and Islam, and now are equal in secular society and have their own nation state does not make them the world ruling power.

    Gah. Why do you think they dominate US politics and its foreign policy? THAT is what Iswael a world power. I mean, FFS, get it through your skull. THE LEADERS OF ISRAEL AND THE US ARE NOT REPEAT NOT REPEAT NOT ACTING FOR THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN, THEY ARE ACTING FOR OTHER POWERS WHO HARBOUR NOTHING REPEAT NOTHING BUT MALEVOLENCE FOR THOSE TWO PEOPLES. PERIOD.

    This means, duh…

    Zionism as previously explained seeks to DESTROY not protect, the Jews.

    As I have said about a million times, why does Israel constantly do things which are brutal and antagonistic. The entire global community baring a billion or so useful idiots who can’t see past the western zionist propaganda are of the opinion. This is not because those 6 billion are all anti-semitic, it’s because they have, like you do, the innate sense of justice humans are born with and they can see whose right and whose wrong. And yet Israel, without cause, because it’s not under threat, time and time and time and time and time and time again acts brutally. I repeat, without cause. The only repeat only people in the entire world who hallucinate it HAS cause, are the billion or so useful idiots under the spell of the western zionist media.

    If you don’t think that’s the reality, in that if you think non-westerners don’t think like that, then look it up. And ask yourself why all of them would think like that and yet, in the west, your fellow travellers are the only ones who don’t. Why would that be? Propaganda? Really?

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  324. blondewithaniq (23 comments) says:

    @Griffith…. that moonbat following that you decry have increased by such a percentage since the previous mayoralty race I suggest you treat them with a little more respect.. John Boscawen for all his money not leading the Incestuous Act party..
    John Banks who also dismissed them will be precisely where he should be in May again, because he didn’t either. Meanwhile John Palino not ‘minded’ well enough even by a Master like John Slater is where?

    Nowhere to be seen? 2014 not the year for Johns as predicted… One more to go!

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  325. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    respect for moonbats
    I give them the same respect i give wingnuts.

    This :lol:

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