General Debate 5 April 2014

April 5th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. dirty harry (429 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/9900742/Proud-of-my-body-still-not-a-heifer

    Yes you are..Rachel was right.

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  2. Keeping Stock (10,104 comments) says:

    Does the IPCC really expect skeptics to forget all that collusion and manipulated climate science data so quickly, and be 100% trusting of their “conclusions”? Check out this excellent cartoon, which will resonate with many here:

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/cartoon-of-day-5-april-2014.html

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  3. Manolo (13,376 comments) says:

    @dirty harry: Dead right. The poor woman must be blind.

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  4. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Rex said…
    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/cartoon-of-day-5-april-2014.html
    “The fact that a whole industry has sprouted around climate change, and that some people have got very rich as a result heightens our scepticism.”

    Really? Yet the existence of multi-billion dollar industries that benefit greatly from the status quo and throwing up dust around this doesn’t give you pause? You just believe everything they say? Why would that be? How about looking at the evidence and deciding for yourself. I know that’s not how you roll, but try it.
    April 5, 2014 at 7:42 AM
    Keeping Stock said…

    Look here Rex; Judge Holden and Edward the Confessor failed to heed multiple warnings as to their conduct here, and were regrettable kicked to touch.

    Your accusatory tone, and the phrases you use are remarkably similar, and the fact that you only turned up here after EtC was banned (and EtC only materialised after Holden was banned) makes me VERY suspicious.

    The old cognitive dissonance does that keeping stock

    when your tummy hurt attack those with the message not what they say

    ……EH///// wingnut.

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  5. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (9,762 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 8:05 am
    Does the IPCC really expect skeptics to forget all that collusion and manipulated climate science data so quickly, and be 100% trusting of their “conclusions”? Check out this excellent cartoon, which will resonate with many here:

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/cartoon-of-day-5-april-2014.html

    Didn’t the wolf show in the end in “the boy who cried wolf”?
    Are you trying to say the IPCC is ultimately correct?

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  6. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    dirty harry (193 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 8:04 am

    And your wife didn’t pack it on when she shat out your little ego clones? Obviously it’s a surface level post right? Smalley is an anorexic camera whore but can be forgiven for being human. Many facets but never just one.

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  7. Viking2 (11,140 comments) says:

    Another GD day stuffed before it began.
    Thanks KS.

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  8. itstricky (1,571 comments) says:

    Don’t get it either Griff. I mean there can only be environmental good in battling pollution, greenhouse gases and the what not. I mean why not? Regadless of whether the meltdown happens now or in 99 years. It is well know that those things are bad things for our environment, regardless of the validity of the predicted time of the meltdown at present. So why not start, well, right now? No time like the present ‘n’ all that. And yet the sceptics keep on about not changing things for, presumably, the sake of not changing things. If you had any sort of logical brain, you’d start asking yourself who was telling you that message and why.

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  9. itstricky (1,571 comments) says:

    Another GD day stuffed before it began

    D Bain is ten times worse. Don’t re quote this comment, if you repeat his name three times they all rush out of the closet.

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  10. OneTrack (2,614 comments) says:

    eszett – since the ipcc have been forecasting doom and gloom for a long time, none of which has appeared in reality, no, you couldn’t say the ipcc is ultimately correct.

    agw may turn out to be correct, but not using the science the ipcc is currently using. When they get away from the science (sic) of consensus (as we had in the 1500s), and start accurately predicting the future, they might have something.

    Nb As i also understand it, the “consensus” is also vastly overrated – there just isnt the agreement that the warmists are claiming.

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  11. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    How bad can nuclear be beside coal fired stations? Does steam add heat or it’s accumulated effect as opposed to the heavy particulate pollution from using coal? We have become a high energy using economy and using less does not mean a damn thing when our human selves will just push to sell the saved energy off to someone else.

    I want to go nuclear, it’s cleaner and we don’t have to dam up any river. 3rd and fourth gen plans are out there.

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  12. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “How bad can nuclear be beside coal fired stations?”

    Ask Japan.

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  13. dirty harry (429 comments) says:

    No Azeraph..she got off her ass and lost the flab both times , she was determined to revert back to her size 10..and she did.
    Lol..ego clones..I like it.

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  14. wat dabney (3,672 comments) says:

    These movies about gods are very popular aren’t they. Clash of the Titans, Thor etc. And now apparently there’s a new one called “Noah” in which an evil god called Yahweh brutally murders everyone on Earth, including all the children.

    Spoilers:

    I haven’t seen it yet but I think at the end Thor appears and pounds the living shit out of him for this genocidal crime against humanity.

    And then Iron Man makes a laconic wisecrack about it to Gwyneth Paltrow.

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  15. itstricky (1,571 comments) says:

    Wow! KS you really.couldn’t take the critisim on that one could you? Whew! Take a breather!

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  16. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    The trolls are out in force today, and it’s not even 9:AM.

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  17. wat dabney (3,672 comments) says:

    Griff explaining how more than 17 years with none of the promised warming actually proves that the IPCC’s alarmist predictions are correct.

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  18. Keeping Stock (10,104 comments) says:

    @ itstricky – not at all. It’s the dishonesty that pisses me off. Judge Holden was kicked to touch, then all of a sudden Edward the Confessor started commenting. Edward breaks the rules far too many times, and all of a sudden Rex appears, making the same kinds of accusations in almost identical phrasing; what’s a blogger to think?

    @ Viking2 – sorry, but it was too good not to share, and unfortunately, you can’t simply upload images onto DPF’s blog as you can at Whaleoil.

    @ Eszett – even a stopped clock is right twice a day ;-)

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  19. duggledog (1,359 comments) says:

    Bain Bain Bain!

    I heard Alison Mau on Radio Live on Thursday saying that Mr B turned up at her place once as a furniture removal guy. She said she was quite shocked but then said ‘Hello David’ and shook his hand.

    Ugh

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  20. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Nuclear is great.

    Two cravats

    1/providing the nuclear industry carry the insurance risk if it goes wrong: at present the governments with nuclear energy facilities take the insurance risk not the company’s building and running them.

    2/Bonds are secured to cover reasonable end of life. containment and disposal costs of nuclear materials and the generating plants..

    NIMBY will prevent nuclear in nz whilst we still have hydro, tides, wind, solar and geothermal options.

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  21. wreck1080 (3,733 comments) says:

    Isn’t it ironic, normal cannabis is illegal and relatively harmless.

    Yet synthetic cannabis is really bad stuff mentally/healthwise yet can be legally purchased.

    The government is disgraceful in not banning these legal highs outright.

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  22. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    dirty harry (194 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 8:41 am

    Harry, your wife is every woman on the planet? You’re a lucky guy but that is not reality, every one of us be it woman or man is singular yet we adhere to a basic plan but we are still very much individually singular in our personal biology. We all know when fat is from excess and has become an issue for the person and we also know when weight is specific to genes when we meet people for the first time.

    But i bet you knew this as well as just being a normal guy. Quick fire instant solutions, we’re guys, visual and one track problem solvers. Do this and all problems solved. It wasn’t til i hit my 40′s did i realise that that is not how the universe works. A chic friend of mine once said to me ” Men don’t mature til they are in their 40′s. “

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  23. itstricky (1,571 comments) says:

    itstricky – not at all. It’s the dishonesty that pisses me off.

    Fair enough but you kinda just ignored “Rex” s point with your outburst though, didn’t you?

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  24. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

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  25. Keeping Stock (10,104 comments) says:

    @ itstricky – I’ve responded to Rex now; you may want to have a read, but then again, you may not ;-)

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  26. Komata (1,111 comments) says:

    Azeraph

    Re: The nuclear power option for New Zealand

    Back in the early 1960′s the then NZED did a series of studies to determine if it was feasible to for NZ to have nuclear power. This was before the start of the big hydro-schemes. The NZED experts eventually concluded that, while it WAS feasible, the only place which would meet all the requirements for water supply (for cooling), nearness of consumers (Auckland) etc, was the Awhitu Peninsula – the northern side of the Kaipara harbour entrance. It sounded a great idea, and was full of potential, until someone pointed out that the prevailing (West/South West) wind off the Tasman Sea would mean that any radio-active steam or gas from an accidental discharge (which could happen), would be blown over Whangarei and, to a lesser extent, Auckland. A check of a map will show what I mean.

    The matter was allowed to quietly vanish.

    Unfortunately, unless you know of some way to alter the prevailing wind direction, nothing has changed, and, if anything, the situation has probably got worse due to environmental concerns etc.

    It’s a potentially unlimited power-source, but just not for New Zealand.

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  27. Scott Chris (5,881 comments) says:

    Speaking of beneficiaries travelling overseas:

    LanzaTech has received $14,185,972.89 in taxpayer funding including GST, since September 2005 but announced this morning it was shifting 30 employees from New Zealand…….
    …..The company received multiple grants from U.S. taxpayers before announcing its move today. Last year, the US Department of Energy provided $4.9m in research funding. The Illinois Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity approved tax credits for LanzaTech worth an estimated $1.28m over the next decade.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11232302

    Noble cause and all that but would be nice to see some return on our local investment – seems unlikely.

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  28. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    griffith (570 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Fukushima was a disaster in waiting but i’m referring to 3rd and fourth gen reactors not 1st gen like Japans. Crap! i’m not operating at full capacity this morning and can’t give credible links to proper data. Look, i once believed in staying mean and green until the turn of this century when we went full high energy user base. Where does innovation come from? Right now it actually comes from areas where they try to solve problems where they are forced to use their brains. Do you truly believe we are lean and green Griff?

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  29. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    KS
    :lol:

    The problem for your reality is the IPCC is not the only scientific organisation with the same or similar warnings.

    Find me a reputable scientific body that doesn’t back the IPCC and AGW.

    In fact

    Most national and international NGO’s with a direction to look towards the future are warning about the danger of AGW as well.

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  30. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    Komata (947 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    The nuclear issues of the 60′s were for what type of reactor? Don’t get me wrong, i use to have the same mixed feelings about the whole nuclear issue until i came across the ifr type, the type that re-uses spent fuel rods and can reuse 1st gen spent fuel rods. There’s one in operation somewhere in the states. I can’t remember the cons but the pro’s makes it worth a 2nd look.

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  31. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    You go griffith. Still fighting the good fight against misinformation and ignorance.

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  32. Komata (1,111 comments) says:

    It would have been first generation; the ‘traditional’ (Magnox) type as used at Calder Hall; which was the only type that was in widespread use in the UK at the time, the UK being regarded as a world leader in such things.

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  33. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    We could tilt the table towards renewables a little more proactively

    The personal transport fleet is an almost twenty year asset in nz.

    A little tax and acc distortion could encourage one that is more valuable in 2035. a fleet of smaller more efficient cars is the future not centralised public transport. The premium cars are now including lane sensors and radar that will follow the car ahead Tag along driverless cars are already being produced,.

    Realistic feed in tariffs for distributed power generation should be guaranteed.

    Investing in renewable diversified power generation is prohibitively expensive and risky within the RMA frame-work.

    Yet National would rather encourage the smelter and oil exploration than future industrys and energy sources.

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  34. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    The IFR type shuts itself down in the event of total and complete electrical power loss to it’s monitoring systems and redline overheating, they tested it in 1980 using the almost same exact conditions of the Chernobyl disaster, which happened 6 years later. It shut itself down with no secondary coolant system, in other words it went cold, no containment breach, Nada.

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  35. wat dabney (3,672 comments) says:

    That’s a nice graphic Griff. Do you have one for the Antarctic ice?

    Oh wait. You’re just dishonestly cherry-picking data to make an entirely false case aren’t you.

    “As the Arctic was experiencing a record low minimum extent, the Antarctic was reaching record high levels”
    http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2012/10/poles-apart-a-record-breaking-summer-and-winter/

    Yet again you show your complete dishonesty Griff.

    I don’t know what your mother would say I really don’t.

    And since enhanced polar warming is the signature which would allow us to distinguish anthropogenic change from natural climate variation, can you show us the data which shows such enhanced warming?

    No, you can’t. Indeed the Antarctic has been cooling if anything. Which proves the Earth has simply been experiencing natural climate variation.

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  36. Scott Chris (5,881 comments) says:

    Yes you are..Rachel was right.

    Of course laj/Harry
    is a perfect human specimen.

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  37. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    Komata (948 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Yes the Americans wanted to share the tech but failed to say there was another type they were developing to replace the first gen or work in conjunction with or probably replace that type altogether. They canned it and now we have what we have now. Ask Senator Kerry, he pushed to have it canned.

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  38. itstricky (1,571 comments) says:

    KS good on you for having another go. But you still didn’t address his/her point. Just sidestepped it with a “I don’t believe”. That’s it? A whine about tax payers and move on?

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  39. Scott Chris (5,881 comments) says:

    Indeed the Antarctic has been cooling if anything.

    Lol – and you accuse Griff of being dishonest Mr Pant-On-Fire:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Antarctic_Temperature_Trend_1981-2007.jpg

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  40. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Since the start of the satellite record, total Antarctic sea ice has increased by about 1 percent per decade . Whether the small increase in extent is a sign of meaningful change is uncertain because ice extents vary considerably from year to year around Antarctica.
    This is as opposed to artic decline of 10%+ per decade

    http://nsidc.org/monthlyhighlights/2013/04/glimpses-of-sea-ice-past/
    This new extent estimation based on early photos from satellite blows your antarctic sea ice drivel out of the game.

    But with today’s technology, Campbell simply worked with two undergraduate students to scan close to 40,000 frames, made sure the images had the right latitude and longitude, and stitched the photos together in his computer. With those images, Campbell produced the first satellite maps of the sea ice edge in 1964 and an estimate of September sea ice extent for both the Arctic and the Antarctic. According to the data, September Antarctic sea ice extent measured about 19.7 million square kilometers. “That’s higher than any year observed from 1972 to 2012,” Meier said.

    Figuring out the sea ice extent for the Arctic was more challenging. It was harder for the team to distinguish the ice edge along the coasts from snow or glacier-covered islands in the Canadian Archipelago. Also, there were not many images of Alaska and eastern Siberia to work from, so Campbell relied on old Russian and Alaskan ice charts. His analysis yielded a September 1964 Arctic sea ice extent of 6.90 million square kilometers. “The 1964 estimate is reasonably consistent with 1979 to 2000 conditions,” Meier said. “It suggests that September extent in the Arctic may have been generally stable through the 1960s and the early 1970s.”

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  41. twofish (75 comments) says:

    Firstline [Wednesday March 2] right at the end of an interview Cunliffe says
    Labour will buy some assets back
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Cunliffe-promises-election-cliffhanger-despite-polls/tabid/1607/articleID/338383/Default.aspx

    Cunnilffe, Labour and the Greens acted to sabotage what the partial sales could return to New Zealander taxpayers, so they would now use taxpayer money to purchase them back?

    Then they wasted further taxpayer funds to hold citizens political initiated referendum to reveal what we already knew: that more people tahn voted Green and Labour combined were against the partial sales, meaning a large number forwent that opposition and still voted National rather than anything else.

    But Cunliffe seems as unable to recognise a dead issue, as is his Party unable to see a Leader dead in the water.

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  42. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    The government is disgraceful in not banning these legal highs outright.

    The state is disgraceful in banning a plant with industrial and medicinal applications.
    Yes, there are health risks with cannabis, but life isn’t risk free.
    Education about the risks is way better that the current situation.

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  43. jcuk (586 comments) says:

    A moment ago I came across this comment on Dirty Harry’s problem ….
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/12414940@N05/7710427810/in/photostream

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  44. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    Hey, I agree with Ugly! There should be no state restrictions on the use of psychoactive substances by consenting adults.

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  45. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “there should be no state restrictions on the use of psychoactive substances by consenting adults.”

    There should be no state restrictions on any peaceful activity by consenting adults.

    There, fixed it. :)

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  46. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Lol – and you accuse Griff of being dishonest Mr Pant-On-Fire:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Antarctic_Temperature_Trend_1981-2007.jpg

    Wikipedia has a history of being a haven for AGW alarmists, and is connected to wikileaks, a known disinformation site.

    http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/11/08/antarctic-temperature-trends/

    The SPPI report found strong evidence that there has been a cooling trend across the bulk of the Antarctic continent, withy the exception of the Peninsula which has become warmer. Temperature records over the last decade appear to confirm that these trends are still continuing.

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  47. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Hey, I agree with Ugly!

    The end of the world is nigh!

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  48. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “wikileaks, a known disinformation site.”

    What color is the sky on your planet Ugly? :)

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  49. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    griffith (574 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    What happens when the turbines of one farm go down for 2 -3 days? It happens and when that happens you have to find the energy from somewhere or charge more for ramping up the other systems in play. Thermal power has it’s pollution waste by product which requires a very expensive filtration system that can go down due to natural disasters. Everything we do leaves a footprint. Since man first took control of his environment he changed it and is still changing it to suit. We played a hand in the Mammoths extinction and wiped out most of the animal life in Europe and north Africa during the Roman period. I’m part Maori and understand my peoples impact upon these 2 islands as well as the colonials massive impact when they rolled in and am wondering what impact the next prevailing group will have.

    Oh yes, their will be another group, it’s human nature.

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  50. wat dabney (3,672 comments) says:

    Scott,

    For the record, Griff famously posted some links to studies of Antarctic temperatures.

    Unfortunately for him, they completely contradicted his claim and in fact confirmed the sceptical position:

    Griff’s citation of evidence:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/09/sceptics_close_niwa_lawsuit.html#comment-1019810

    What happened when we actually looked at his evidence:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/09/sceptics_close_niwa_lawsuit.html#comment-1019854

    So, using Griff’s own evidence, we see there is no Antarctic warming. In complete contradiction of the AGW theory.

    Not only are you unable to point to the enhanced polar warming demanded by the AGW theory, you can’t actually point to an warming at all; and possibly to actual cooling.

    Here is a paper which reviews multiple studies on the subject:

    In conclusion, and in light of the many findings of the diverse studies cited above, it is clear that the temperature history of Antarctica provides no evidence for the CO2-induced global warming hypothesis. In fact, it argues strongly against it.

    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/antarctica_trends.pdf

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  51. All_on_Red (1,369 comments) says:

    Ugly
    Agree with you about Wiki. William Connelly was highly active in altering anything to do with climate.

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  52. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    And, according to Reid, Wikipedia is infested with ‘Zionists’.

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  53. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    Mike, he finally admitted last night that by ‘Zionists’ he means Askhenazi/European Jews in general.

    Apparently one of their crimes is that they force you to get out of the way when they are walking down the street. That and they are members of the Illuminati.

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  54. peterwn (3,163 comments) says:

    Komata

    The reason nuclear investigations fizzled out in the 1960′s was the discovery of Taranaki gas reserves, and with the available gas, a gas fired station bumped nuclear off the end of the programme. The old NZED did re-visit nuclear power in the 1970′s. A budgetary costing for nuclear had been kept updated and the project was one of the various candidates for the annually revised ‘power plan’, and it took a place at the tail end of the plan in the early 1970′s. The Plan report was tabled in Parliament each year and no particular secrecy or confidentiality was attached to the process. This caused the NZED to update its expertise and two engineers were selected to do a technology course in Sydney then spend 18 months in California with Bechtells (a major USA engineering firm with nuclear experience). There was an enquiry into nuclear power in the late 1970′s and its conclusion was favourable in particular noting that there were more deaths associated with coal generation (including mining) than likely with nuclear.

    Interestingly electricity consumption on average doubled each decade from the late 1800′s until the early 1970′s (7% pa compounded growth) and this was a fundamental aspect of power planning. The implications of this are staggering and it was little wonder that nuclear was being considered. From the early 1970′s onwards the growth rate has been a few percent a year. This tends to favour smaller incremental projects such as wind power and capacity enhancements to hydro stations, etc.

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  55. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/wikileaks-and-media-disinformation/22321

    As readers of Global Research and other alternative media outlets know, there is little that is particularly shocking about the recent Wikileaks. What is striking about many of the latest leaks is their conformity to the lies and disinformation regularly diffused by the mainstream media.

    The upshot of this is that, while exposés of American war crimes should damage America’s imperial ambitions, other ‘leaks’ could actually serve the opposite purpose, especially when they are uncritically reported as ‘revelations’. In this article we are going to look at two examples of how Wikileaks stories could be used to further a US imperialist agenda.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-contradicts-the-rest-of-the-internet

    Guess which company is marked as the registrant organization of all of the following domain names?

    WikiLeaks.com
    WikiLeaks.net
    WikiLeaks.us
    WikiLeaks.mobi
    WikiLeaks.biz

    That’s right — Wikia! Thanks to Wikia, Inc.’s chief operating officer, Michael Davis, all five of those WikiLeaks domains are registered to Wikia, Inc., which is ultimately presided over by its co-founder Jimmy Wales — the guy who says he has “absolutely nothing to do with WikiLeaks”. Also, Michael Davis used to sit on the board of trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, alongside Jimbo Wales.

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  56. dirty harry (429 comments) says:

    Hey each to their own..I dont like fat chicks , scottchris likes dick…some people like thin chicks , all Im saying is that I agree with Rachel’s view that Kiwi chicks are lard arses ( a lot ) geez all you have to do is go for a walk through a mall and its all in front of you..plenty of cushion for the pushin ya know..

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  57. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Mike, he finally admitted last night that by ‘Zionists’ he means Askhenazi/European Jews in general.

    Here’s what I actually said:

    Originally they were the people of the house of Judah, one of the two houses of the 12 tribes of Israel.
    It’s been argued that the Khazars converted to Judaism for political reasons and thus the Khazar Empire wasn’t truly Jewish.
    The adoption of strangers into Judaism involves the newcomers living amongst the people and observing the same law.

    So it’s quite possible that there are false Jews if you use the original test for membership.

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  58. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    griffith (574 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    I have a belief that the combustion engine and the electric motor for personal transport use is not the future we should be striving for but rather variable temp superconductive material that will get us off the ground. I don’t know the cons but i do know there’s a race going on to develop variable temp materials. It’s the only path we have for future transport development within the next 30 years. If we can mimic the 20th’s innovative technological leaps and bounds in this century then the races future will be bright otherwise we will have a century or 2 of research like the 17th and early 18th. Not much going on.

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  59. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “Here’s what I actually said”

    Ugly, your not Reid.

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  60. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “It’s been argued that the Khazars”

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……………

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  61. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Ugly, your not Reid.

    Sorry, I’m so used to you lying about me that I thought it was me you were referring to.

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  62. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    peterwn (2,924 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Interesting. What about population growth for the 20 years and the advent of the net? Every house will eventually have a small server, the cloud is too vulnerable and you have yet to see a house deprived of net access. It’s amazing.

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  63. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    Ugly
    I’m wondering if you go along with the whole chain of reasoning Reid laid bare last night. Do you believe the whole Ashkenazi, ‘false’ Jews, Illuminati controlling the world thing?

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  64. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “Sorry, I’m so used to you lying about me”

    Translation: “I’m so used to you disagreeing with my whackjob conspiracy web sites”

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  65. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    How does one find out Labour affiliations and offices held by the editor, deputy editor, and Matthew Dallas at Manawatu’s Evening Standard? They are so far left, and bias of current government policy, they constantly bombard readers with foul rhetoric that find even a few labour supporters are embarrassed.

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  66. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:

    wat nut

    SPPI
    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/personnel.html

    is a wingnut blog site

    Chief Policy Adviser: Lord Monckton,

    :lol:

    Science Adviser: Robert M. Carter,

    :lol:

    Science Adviser: Craig Idso,

    The Same old failed nutwhacks trotted out time and again.

    Paid for with petro dollers,.

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  67. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Translation: “I’m so used to you disagreeing with my whackjob conspiracy web sites”

    Same shit, different day.

    It all comes back to you trying to blow off the facts by applying ad hominems.
    For example the fact that the presence of molten steel at 9/11 falsifies the mainstream narrative.

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  68. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    In this article here Randerson shows me he doesn’t get it.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/9907264/Anglicans-propose-separate-church-for-gays

    The issue is not whether WE accept them, the issue is whether God does.

    “The Bible was written at a time when committed same-sex relationships weren’t a topic for discussion . . . we’re 2000 years down the track now.”

    So is Randerson saying that God didn’t anticipate this issue arising in this time?

    Plus the headline was totally misleading but that’s standard stuff for Stuff, isn’t it.

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  69. wat dabney (3,672 comments) says:

    Griff,

    The Same old failed nutwhacks trotted out time and again.

    Do you remember we talked about this, and agreed to call it the Griff Schoolgirl Fallacy?

    Oh dear Griff.

    Those smiley faces really do signify your extreme immaturity don’t they.

    For a grown man to post at the level of a giggling schoolgirl is just tragic.

    As has been explained to you before it doesn’t matter who cites particular evidence or data, all that matters is its veracity.
    Thus, for example, when a sceptical website demonstrates using official data that a wholly false warming trend has been added to the surface temperature record then all that matters is whether the citation is accurate.

    For you to suppose that such evidence can be dismissed merely because you disagree with the person citing the data is a fallacy that not even a ten year-old would commit; and yet you make it all the time.

    This particular fallacy probably has a proper name (it’s really just ad hominem), but from now on we shall refer to it as the Griff Schoolgirl Fallacy in your honour.

    Spotting every time you commit the Griff Schoolgirl Fallacy will be our new drinking game.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/08/general_debate_24_august_2013.html#comment-1191613

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  70. Sofia (819 comments) says:

    So is Randerson saying that God didn’t anticipate this issue arising in this time?

    Does anyone really believe the Bible to be the dictated word of God?
    Noah, it says was the first vintner, and first drunk
    Does anyone believe that all the shit that caused God to flush humanity [except for the poor choice of Noah] down the cosmic toilet – all that krap happened without the influence of alcohol?
    Pull the other one.

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  71. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    The government jailed him in retaliation

    In February of 2001, six months before 9/11, the NSA illegally sought (and received) the private data of the customers of phone companies all over the country in a warrantless search program.

    One CEO, Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio, said “No!”

    The NSA cancelled its contracts with the company and then in retaliation for his refusal to give in to intimidation filed an entirely bogus insider trading case against him.

    Here’s the timeline:

    1. Nacchio sells some of his Qwest stock
    2. NSA failing in its extortion attempt, cancels Qwest contracts
    3. Qwest stock price goes down
    4. Government files insider trading charges against Nacchio

    The judge in the insider trading case refused to have these simple facts entered into evidence and this decent, honorable man spent four and a half years in prison.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-surveillance-state/the-ceo-who-said-no-to-the-nsa.htm

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  72. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    Does anyone really believe the Bible to be the dictated word of God?

    I believe it’s the inspired word of God, Sofia. This explains why it’s been the best selling book in history. Various translations over the years have subtly bastardised some of it such as the Schofield Bible which is why yanks are so fascinated with the rapture. Personally I prefer the Geneva Bible which pre-dates the King James.

    Yes it was a shame that as soon as Noah landed after the flood the first thing he did was get drunk and sin, which started the whole wretched thing off again.

    That was a great shame.

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  73. wat dabney (3,672 comments) says:

    That was a great shame.

    The ‘great shame’ in the story wasn’t the brutal murder of everyone in the world by an evil magic pixie then?

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  74. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    Wat,

    there are no such things as magic pixies. They are called Elven folk.

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  75. Sofia (819 comments) says:

    Reid – I believe it’s the inspired word of God

    So you, Reid, accept that portions may have changed from an original intent and require an instinctual choice or reinforcement by other understanding as to whether they all can be accepted or not?

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  76. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    This blog needs an Enema! :)

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  77. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    wat wat the doodle doodle dandy, I’m wat wat the doodle doodle dabney. :)

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  78. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    I’m wondering if you go along with the whole chain of reasoning Reid laid bare last night. Do you believe the whole Ashkenazi, ‘false’ Jews, Illuminati controlling the world thing?

    Are you referring to this?

    What I saw was Reid summarising his worldview, not any explicit chain of reasoning. I’ve no interest in criticizing his worldview because a) IMO Reid is pretty astute regarding conspiracy theory and b) I haven’t studied the relationship between the Khazars, the Ashkenazi, and regular Jewry in any depth.

    I think you’re minrepresenting him in that AFAIK Reid hasn’t said that they control the word, he said “God is dominant”. The only thing which I think should be thrown into the pot is the role of extraterrestrials. The ET agenda is significant because of the lengths that the debunkers go to deflect attention away from the mass of evidence of their presence.

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  79. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    Sofia the Bible is interpreted through the Holy Spirit. That’s why people like wat can’t understand it. Even with the aid of the Holy Spirit it’s also very complex, almost every single verse has wheels within wheels, layers of meaning and many interconnections with other verses.

    The reason I prefer the Geneva Bible is because it’s complex enough without God-permitted but man-made sometimes innocent and sometimes deliberate obfuscations in the text and I believe the Geneva version is the most faithful English version relative to the original Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew sources.

    Given this complexity and obfuscation it’s quite obvious there will be differing interpretations of any given passage(s) which is precisely what the seeker finds.

    require an instinctual choice or reinforcement by other understanding

    The whole religious experience is discerning God’s intent not our intent. This discernment partly involves battling with our instincts because quite often, God’s intent does not accord with what we want, or with what our ‘gut’ is telling us. When you say ‘other understanding’ I assume you mean commentaries and texts written by man. Those come into it as aids, but they’re not the answer, they’re a mere aid to understanding. A Christian’s master reference against which all teachings and instinctual perceptions must be judged is the Bible and that’s what’s at the heart of this particular debate at the moment in the Anglican Church – what is God saying about this issue?

    The ET agenda is significant

    It sure is. Google Project Camelot for a great resource on this.

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  80. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Yes it was a shame that as soon as Noah landed after the flood the first thing he did was get drunk and sin, which started the whole wretched thing off again.

    You mean the event when led to the curse of Canaan? How was that Noah’s fault?

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  81. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “I’ve no interest in criticizing his worldview because a) IMO Reid is pretty astute regarding conspiracy theory and b) I haven’t studied the relationship between the Khazars, the Ashkenazi, and regular Jewry in any depth.”

    Translation:

    “Blah blah blah blah blah, pompous pause, blah, blah, blah blah :)

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  82. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    wat

    shall we examine the science authority behind SPPI

    Bob carter

    also linked too extensively by you at other nutwack blog sites.

    He maintains an association with several think tanks that have a position that is skeptical of climate science: He is a founding member of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition,[10] an emeritus fellow and science policy advisor at the Institute of Public Affairs,[11] a science advisor at the Science and Public Policy Institute,[12] and the chief science advisor for the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC)

    In 2012, documents acquired from The Heartland Institute revealed that Carter was paid a monthly fee of $1,667 (USD), “as part of a program to pay ‘high-profile individuals who regularly and publicly counter the alarmist [anthropogenic global warming] message’.”[30] While Carter did not deny that the payments took place, he declined to discuss the payments.[30] Carter has denied that his scientific opinion on climate change can be bought

    Carter, Robert M.; de Freitas, Chris; Goklany, Indur M.; Holland, David; Lindzen, Richard S. (2007). “Climate Science and the Stern Review”
    :lol:

    A Very small community of idiots all linked together and all with economic links to the oil industry

    He has destroyed his scientific career and now is just a paid shill for the oil industry.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/02/bbc-climate-change-coverage-criticism_n_5077674.html?utm_hp_ref=media
    “Given the high level of trust the public has in its coverage, it is disappointing that the BBC does not ensure all of its [programs] and presenters reflect the actual state of climate science in its output,” Andrew Miller, chair of the committee, wrote. “The Today [program] and other BBC News teams continue to make mistakes in their coverage of climate science by giving opinions and scientific fact the same weight.”

    One segment was given particular criticism. After the Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change issued a damning report about the health of the planet last September, the BBC failed to come up with a single scientist in Britain who was prepared to rebut the IPCC’s views. Instead of taking this as a symbol of the settled nature of the climate debate, though, it turned to Bob Carter, an Australian geologist who works for the Heartland Institute, an oil industry-backed climate denying think tank.

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  83. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “shall we examine the science ”

    There is no such thing as science. :)

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  84. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    How was that Noah’s fault?

    What do you mean? Of course it was his fault. If it wasn’t his fault, then whose fault was it?

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  85. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    Noah was a pervert.

    Oops, I dropped something….

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  86. stephieboy (2,186 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, what US War Crimes and Imperial agenda.?

    I suppose Julian Assange and Wiki leaks have also Had a busy time exposing the War Crimes and ethnic cleansing by the President of the Sudan Omar al Bashir. He has been indicted for War Crimes by the International Criminal Court .
    As an aside, his actions make a mockery of Sudan’s membership of the UN council on Human Rights given the resolutions passed by them against Israel.The council also includes a cabal of other Islamic Theocracies and dictatorships like Iran and Saudi Arabia, not known for their enviable record on human rights.

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  87. wat dabney (3,672 comments) says:

    That’s why people like wat can’t understand it

    I understand that in this belief system a magic pixie drowns everyone in the entire world, with the exception of one lucky drunk and his family.

    Two conclusions necessarily follow:

    1) This is an infantile myth like any other
    2) The pixie in the story is vastly more more evil than most such mythical animals

    Here’s a clue: If you find yourself defending mass murder, wars of racial genocide, slavery, stonings etc then you are defending evil.

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  88. wat dabney (3,672 comments) says:

    Griff,

    Shall we examine the science authority behind SPPI

    Do you remember we talked about this, and agreed to call it the Griff Schoolgirl Fallacy?

    Oh dear Griff.

    Those smiley faces really do signify your extreme immaturity don’t they.

    For a grown man to post at the level of a giggling schoolgirl is just tragic.

    As has been explained to you before it doesn’t matter who cites particular evidence or data, all that matters is its veracity.
    Thus, for example, when a sceptical website demonstrates using official data that a wholly false warming trend has been added to the surface temperature record then all that matters is whether the citation is accurate.

    For you to suppose that such evidence can be dismissed merely because you disagree with the person citing the data is a fallacy that not even a ten year-old would commit; and yet you make it all the time.

    This particular fallacy probably has a proper name (it’s really just ad hominem), but from now on we shall refer to it as the Griff Schoolgirl Fallacy in your honour.

    Spotting every time you commit the Griff Schoolgirl Fallacy will be our new drinking game.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/08/general_debate_24_august_2013.html#comment-1191613

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  89. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “Ugly Truth, what US War Crimes and Imperial agenda.?”

    The ones under the bed with the communists.

    Sssshhhhhhhh……they might hear you.

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  90. Judith (7,634 comments) says:

    Reid (15,345 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 11:54 am
    How was that Noah’s fault?

    What do you mean? Of course it was his fault. If it wasn’t his fault, then whose fault was it?

    Well, it wasn’t in writing, and only a verbal contract, but it appears the ‘top dog’ had Noah, under his employ.
    And as everyone knows, the ‘buck stops at the top’.

    I’m wondering if we can expect legal battles over the movie and copyright issues too?

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  91. Sofia (819 comments) says:

    Noah cursed Canaan, seemingly irrationally.
    Slave traders however used the incident to justify their position, so surely their fault?

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  92. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “but it appears the ‘top dog’ had Noah”

    Hmmmm….Isin’t that bestiality?

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  93. All_on_Red (1,369 comments) says:

    “Spotting every time you commit the Griff Schoolgirl Fallacy will be our new drinking game”

    Better stock up then.Cheers

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  94. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    I’m wondering if we can expect legal battles over the movie and copyright issues too?

    I shouldn’t worry Judith. I understand God isn’t mentioned and Noah gets a hand from the Nephilim…

    But that’s what I would have expected from a Hollyweird run by God-hating Zionist satanic thugs so no surprises there, for me, anyway.

    Noah cursed Canaan, seemingly irrationally.

    Hard to judge through today’s lens Judith. We don’t know what the context of the event was. The fact Ham then went on to father Nimrod and his descendents built Babel indicates all was not well with him but the question is, was that purely the result of the curse and/or because of something else?

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  95. Judith (7,634 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (1,259 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Well technically not, because the ‘top dog’ (notice the little ‘ ‘ thingys) is meant to be like us – (made in his image, which for my whole life has lead to visuals of the sort of halfman halfwoman thing you see at the circus), but I digress, — if the two are the same, then either they are both beasts or both ‘not beasts’. – the boss was giving Noah instructions and therefore, when it comes to the ultimate responsibility – he has to carry it. I am not sure if Noah belonged to any unions or not – probably need the advice of an employment lawyer to really sort out who is responsible.

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  96. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “but I digress”

    I never digress, it tends to hurt.

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  97. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    Reid, theirs a zionist satanic thug thingy stand right behind you…….

    NOOO, DON’T TURN AROUND!!!!!!!

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  98. SGA (813 comments) says:

    Over the last few days on GD, it’s been like watching a set of Matryoshka dolls where each layer is angry at the others.

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  99. stephieboy (2,186 comments) says:

    The Sumerians must feel rather miffed how Hollywood , The Bible and fun dies like Reid have approbated their story.The flood story or myth was a part of their traditions long before the Hebrews had thought about it. It was understood to have been localized , occourimg in Southern Babylonia.

    http://www.historywiz.com/flood.htm

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  100. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    What do you mean? Of course it was his fault. If it wasn’t his fault, then whose fault was it?

    Ham.

    And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
    Gen 9:24

    Noah cursed Canaan because he was Ham’s son.

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  101. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    You know what hollywood actually is, Shawn?

    It’s the wood used by witches and warlocks for their wands. Seriously.

    The relationship between that and Hollyweird’s output is that their movies are mind-control propaganda pieces. When was the last time you saw a Muslim favourably portrayed by them, for example? They put out extremely dark, violent content, all the time. Wrapped in an exciting surround sound-track with a slick storyline and visual switches to engage you, while all the while your subconscious is being conditioned, just like witches and warlocks casting a spell over you.

    But of course that’s a mere coincidence, isn’t it. It would be, if the coincidental name were the only weird thing about Hollyweird, but there’s a million other equally odd things about that factory, which the enquiring mind can easily discover for themselves, if they wish to. Of course it makes no sense whatsoever to deny it’s weird without even bothering to look at that material, only an idiot would be so foolish as to assert they already know absolutely nothing is up, without even bothering to look into it.

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  102. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “Same shit, different day.”

    I just realised that Ugly said poo poo! :)

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  103. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “You know what hollywood actually is, Shawn?

    It’s the wood used by witches and warlocks for their wands. Seriously.”

    Is not.

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  104. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    Sigh.

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=hollywood+witches+wand&oq=hollywood+wand&aqs=chrome.5.69i57j0l5.13390j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

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  105. Judith (7,634 comments) says:

    Reid (15,347 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    it’s the wood used by witches and warlocks for their wands. Seriously.

    You’ve been peeking in my briefcase haven’t you? :P

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  106. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    I had a wand once but it broke so I took it back.

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  107. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “You’ve been peeking in my briefcase haven’t you?”

    Naughty boy! :)

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  108. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Hard to judge through today’s lens Judith. We don’t know what the context of the event was.

    It’s not stated explicity in the text.

    The fact Ham then went on to father Nimrod and his descendents built Babel indicates all was not well with him but the question is, was that purely the result of the curse and/or because of something else?

    Ham’s son Canaan was cursed, but Nimrod was the grandson of Ham via Cush, not Canaan.

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  109. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    hehe, Nimrod. Thats funny :)

    Nimrod Nimrod Nimrod Nimrod….yup, still funny :)

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  110. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Gee wat wat is this your new justification for following nutjob web sites

    :lol:

    Makes you look vacant when you post rubbish from lord whacked and ex professor carter the mining geologist.

    How the no warming in antarctica or the poles going fantasy boy ?

    Oh wait. You’re just dishonestly cherry-picking data to make an entirely false case aren’t you.

    “As the Arctic was experiencing a record low minimum extent, the Antarctic was reaching record high levels”

    Yet again you show your complete stupidity wat

    I don’t know what your mother would say I really don’t.

    And since enhanced polar warming is the signature which would allow us to distinguish anthropogenic change from natural climate variation, can you show us the data which shows such enhanced warming?
    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/taking-antarcticas-temperature

    As has been pointed out the warming is aperient in both the antarctic and arctic even over tha last ten years. You just can not stop reading the alterative reality generated by the oil industry.

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  111. stephieboy (2,186 comments) says:

    Reid, I would not call a Hollywood film like Syriana as an example of mind contol and Propoganda for the masses .You post your usual sweeping and glib assertions generalizations that don’t relate to reality.The Powerful film Missing also comes to mind about the overthrow of Allende and Pinochet

    .

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365737/

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  112. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Student gives voice to schizophrenica sufferers

    A Wellington student has come up with a unique way to let people inside the often unnerving world of schizophrenia.

    Victoria University design student Sarah Mokhtar was inspired by her older sister, who has schizophrenia, to create a downloadable app and hi-tech scarf that helps relatives of schizophrenics experience what hearing voices and other unbidden interior noises is like.

    The scarf and app respond to the everyday environment creating a distracting, fractured experience for users relayed through headphones from the scarf’s electronic control centre.

    The internal voices include a berating angry man, a friendly woman, and a throaty guttural dirge.

    To appreciate its full effect, she wore the scarf around Wellington for a day. “It was much more difficult than I anticipated, to the point where I actually avoided conversations with people because I didn’t want to have to cope with voices talking to me while trying to communicate normally.”

    The project has given her renewed appreciation for her sister.

    So far the scarf and app have garnered a positive response from members of the mental-health community, who are especially interested in how it could help with education in schools.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9907261/Student-gives-voice-to-schizophrenica-sufferers

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  113. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “warming is aperient”

    Is not.

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  114. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    Ham’s son Canaan was cursed, but Nimrod was the grandson of Ham via Cush, not Canaan.

    When a curse is issued it normally extends to all the family members UT. But well spotted.

    Why is Nimrod funny to you Shawn?

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  115. Judith (7,634 comments) says:

    @ wikiriwhis business (3,206 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    What a wonderful achievement. I suspect if many of the people that are harsh in their criticism of people suffering from mental illness, were made to wear that item for just a few hours, their outlook might change dramatically. That is the kind of innovation we need to encourage in our young people.

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  116. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “Why is Nimrod funny to you Shawn?”

    What?

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  117. Judith (7,634 comments) says:

    I”m kinda feeling like I’m back in Sunday School, and will be requested to stand up on stage and sing ‘onward christian soldiers’ at any moment. I feel duty bound to warn you that the only words I remember are the ‘dirty’ ones we made up to the same tune!

    I’ll also like to take this opportunity to make a confession. My brother and I were given a shilling each for the collection box for sunday school. We had to walk 3 miles to get there, and pass two diaries. We worked out very early that we could spend 6d of the collection money on ice creams and lollies and still have 6d to put in the ‘kitty’. The second dairy gave the bigger ice creams. We both were aware that we would burn in hell for our sins, however, were more concerned in supporting the dairying industry at the time (or at least that is our excuse now ). :-)

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  118. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    Reid
    I see you acknowledge that extraterristrials are a significant part of your Jews/Illuminati worldview. Do you subscribe to Ugly’s belief that the ETs are shapeshifting reptilians hidden among us?

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  119. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    stephie, yes flood myth was relevant in Sumer as river floods impacted on the survivability of their cities. It may have ended the primacy of a city over others and allowed another city to rise to prominence over the others.

    Not being a nation state as such, Sumer had a rise and fall of pre-eminent cities with greater economic/political and military power than the others. And flood impact at the location of these cities played a part in their rise and fall.

    The floods came from north to south, from Haran towards Ur. The connection to the name Noah is obvious. As is the fact that one is safe from these floods when at the mountain source of these rivers in Anatolia.

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  120. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    phawn
    there is little point debating wat and you about the science behind AGW.

    The reality is science tells us of a future problem.

    If you had an arse that was broken.
    and 97% doctors say operate including the president of the royal council of surgeons.

    Consultant colorectal surgeon Professor Norman Williams became College President in July 2011. He is Professor of Surgery and Director of Innovation at the Academic Surgical Unit of Barts and The London, Queen Mary’s School of Medicine and Dentistry and National Centre for Bowel Research and Surgical Innovation. His main clinical interests are sphincter preservation and reconstructive surgery,</b> and his scientific interests are concentrated on GI motility and anorectal physiology.

    You would of course discount the experts and their authority and go with an alternative remedy found on a blog written by the sellers of apricot Kernels.

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  121. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    I subscribe to Stamp Collectors Monthly, but I only read it for the articles, the centrefolds are naughty :)

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  122. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    there is no such thing as science griff, stop saying that.

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  123. Judith (7,634 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (1,271 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    define ‘naughty’?

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  124. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    really, really, REALLY bad! :)

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  125. Judith (7,634 comments) says:

    @ shawnLH

    I’m still not getting it … define really, really, REALLY bad?

    (nah just kidding – the conversation in GD today is too stimulating for me and has flicked my ‘silly’ switch. I need to go sit in the sun for a while – to calm down, it is very difficult to go from Noah to sphincter preservation within a few minutes )

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  126. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Do you subscribe to Ugly’s belief that the ETs are shapeshifting reptilians hidden among us?

    Misrepresent much, MM? There is evidence of several different races.

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  127. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    hehe, Judith said sphincter preservation! :)

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  128. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “There is evidence of several different races”

    Is not.

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  129. Judith (7,634 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (1,276 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    It wasn’t me – Griffith started it.

    Okay, V – Live long and prosper

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  130. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    I tried to preserve sphincter’s once, but the jars kept cracking.

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  131. stephieboy (2,186 comments) says:

    SPC, thanks for fulling out the details of the Great Fllood according to Sumerian traditions that predate the biblical account contained in their “Bible , ” The Epic of Gilgamish ” A pity the movie Noah did not acknowledge this, but hey , this is Hollywood after all.!

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  132. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    stephie, Gilgamesh was King of Uruk, his son Ur-ningal was probably born to a Princess of Ur. The traditional way to acknowledge succession of primacy from one city to another was to marry one’s daughter to the alpha king in Sumer.

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  133. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Alleged war criminal, failed politician, all round arsehole and now, plagiarist.

    http://m.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/allen-wests-new-book-dotted-with-familiar-but-fake/nfRS3/

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  134. muggins (2,983 comments) says:

    stephie,
    As I said yesterday that compensation claim is no longer on the table.
    It will only get back on if and when that judicial review is finalised.
    And even if it does another judge will be appointed, one that will know how many beans make five.
    Now wait for a certain pair to respond.
    They follow my every word. Every time I post their heart rates go up.
    Don’tcha just love it?

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  135. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    “As I said yesterday that compensation claim is no longer on the table.”

    This is correct. It WAS on the table, but then fell off and is now under the fridge.

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  136. hj (6,364 comments) says:

    To those who think that the human footprint is small
    http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_foley_the_other_inconvenient_truth

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  137. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    My footprint is about 9 and a half. I’m not sure what effect that has on the environment.

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  138. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    Of course if I’m stepping on grass or dirt it has an effect, but does it still have an effect if I’m stepping on concrete?

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  139. ShawnLH (3,459 comments) says:

    My work here is done…………….for now. :)

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  140. publicwatchdog (2,107 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9907241/Bankss-lawyer-applies-for-discharge

    In my considered opinion, this is DESPERATE stuff from a ‘cornered rat’?

    (As it were – meant of course in a caring (to rats) way) …..

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151956813471790&set=a.435980066789.221068.727511789&type=1&theater

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

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  141. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    cha
    Not exactly plagiarism, including fake quotes, but you’ve probably said enough to get tom hunter very upset: he’s a big Allen West fanboy.

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  142. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Not exactly plagiarism

    Here’s the alleged plagiarism.

    https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/452176615389147136/photo/1

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  143. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    Oh sorry, yes plagiarism: add that to his other umm distinctions.

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  144. muggins (2,983 comments) says:

    Shawn,
    Re footprint.
    Have you tried stepping in a pool of blood and then measuring it?
    You need to be wearing socks.
    Or at least a sock on the foot that has stepped in the blood.
    Of course if you can’t see the extremities of the heel and toe just take an educated guess.
    Wonder what’s happened to my two shadows?
    They won’t get paid if they don’t respond.

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  145. stephieboy (2,186 comments) says:

    Muggins, as I stated Binnie by following the official supporters line, unwittingly opened up a Pandora’s box of gaping holes, enormous cracks and serious flaws .
    His his disciples here have never recovered but good at throwing abuse, though .!

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  146. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Spot the meteorite.

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  147. bc (1,334 comments) says:

    It’s 20 years ago today that Kurt Cobain killed myself.

    I was a young man at the time and Nirvana’s music really spoke to me (still does). I still remember vividly when a friend told me news. I remember a feeling of numbness.

    Such a waste – what a talent.

    Been listening to a lot of Nirvana today. “Nevermind” has been taken over by mainstream rock stations and what was once edgy now sounds commercial. But all their other stuff, including my favourite album “In Utero” (an album make deliberately to shake off the success of Nevermind) sounds as fresh as ever.

    Two decades later, there hasn’t been anyone like him.

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  148. Rowan (1,786 comments) says:

    Shawn
    I wouldn’t bother wasting the time of day on these idiots (Muggins and Stephieboy) as they don’t know what they are talking about and continually misrepresent the facts of the case, somehow they seem to think that by reposting the same lies over and over that we may eventually take them seriously.
    Time for some more meds Muggins!

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  149. wat dabney (3,672 comments) says:

    Griff,

    there is little point debating wat and you about the science behind AGW.

    The reality is science tells us of a future problem.

    That’s just the thing.

    The science doesn’t tell us anything of the sort.

    The science just tells us that there will be modest direct warming, along with the other benefit of an increased CO2 fertilizer effect.
    The AGW theory, by contrast, is that there will be enhanced and disastrous warming due to entirely unproven and as yet still unseen positive feedback effects.

    Since this runaway warming never happened as promised – we’re now in the 18th year of zero warming – and since the climate fingerprints which would identify earlier warming as anthropogenic rather than natural absolutely don’t exist (the enhanced polar and tropospheric warming) then the AGW case is disproven by simple facts.

    That’s science.

    If you had an arse that was broken and 97% doctors say operate including the president of the royal council of surgeons.

    You are referring to the popular meme that 97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is real.

    This is not controversial. As I said, everyone agrees it is real. What is not real, and what that 97% figure does not address, is the claim of disastrous enhanced warming due to supposed feedbacks. The debate has always been about the level of climate sensitivity and the amount of llikel warming. Anyone using the term “denier” is simply demonstrating their own cluelessness.

    And you yourself have argued strongly against the AGW theory recently:

    You claimed that the lack of recent warming is due to natural climate variation. Exactly. You are agreeing that climate sensitivity is lower than claimed by the alarmists. Welcome to the sceptical camp.

    You claimed that the troposphere has been cooling, which is in direct contradiction of the AGW theory. Welcome to the sceptical camp.

    And previously of course you yourself provided evidence that the Antarctic has, if anything, been cooling rather than showing the required enhanced warming. Welcome to the sceptical camp.

    The question is why are you so thoroughly dishonest? You provide cherry-picked data about the Arctic in the full knowledge that the Antarctic data (which you yourself inadvertently provided) gives the lie to the theory. Remember it is always contradictory evidence which counts for everything when evaluating scientific theories.

    And remember also when you were trying to argue on the basis of statistically insignificant values that there had in fact been recent warming; albeit nothing like the promised sharp increase? If you are arguing with statistically insignificant numbers you have already lost the debate. And of course now you have been forced to drop that pathetic pretence and instead try to find excuses for the lack of promised warming: excuses which only confirm the sceptic position that natural climate variation is very much stronger than the alarmists’ case requires.

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  150. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:

    you really don’t know what you are talking about wingnut :lol:

    A 1 % growth in sea ice a decade around a continent in winter That is losing land ice at an accelerating rate. compared to a 10% decrease in all seasons in an ocean surrounded by land :lol:

    Your sources talk shit for idiots wat

    you are a

    WINGNUT

    And as such are a joke That I very much enjoy laughing at

    every major scientific body In the world…………….EVERY one .
    Over 200 NGO’s

    vrs a few wingnuts :lol:

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  151. dirty harry (429 comments) says:

    Shane Jones wants to ban large Lotto jackpots. Fuck off Jones..remember your compulsory low pressure shower heads? Remember your compulsory eco light bulbs? Slow learner eh. If I want to piss 100 bucks a week down the toilet on Lotto, I will thank you very much…up to me…mind ya business..sticky beak.

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  152. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    I only buy Lotto when there is a large jackpot. I figure that it’s just not worth winning unless it’s at least 10 mill.

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  153. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    ….” it’s just not worth winning unless it’s at least 10 mill.”….

    Confirmation that state sector salary levels are untainted by reality. :)

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  154. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    I mean, I’m comfortably off now so I’d want Lotto to be a real life changer. Enough to become a philanthropist – but quieter than Gareth Morgan.

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  155. dirty harry (429 comments) says:

    But Shane Jones wants to ban your little bit of pleasure Mike..he says too many are spending their coin on Lotto jackpots and not on food…Mad Butcher chief backs it up. He wants to tell you how to live your like Mike.

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  156. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Brazilian Firm Goes To Market With Free Energy Generator Capable of Powering Two Average Size Houses

    http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/

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  157. Gulag1917 (659 comments) says:

    Russia to launch its payment system in months, as disruption fears mount
    http://rt.com/business/russia-payment-system-visa-889/

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  158. Manolo (13,376 comments) says:

    Some followers of the paedophile prophet are upset:
    http://www.freep.com/article/20140404/NEWS05/304040016/Muslim-parents-upset-over-flier-promoting-Easter-egg-hunt-at-church

    Some Muslim parents are concerned about public schools in Dearborn handing out flyers to all students advertising an Easter egg hunt, saying it violates the principle of church and state separation.

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  159. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    dirty harry @ 5.43.
    Shane jones did not say that, Paddle Grower did.
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Interview-Labour-MP-Shane-Jones/tabid/1348/articleID/338910/Default.aspx
    Check about 8.40 in the interview.
    Oh, did I get it wrong harry?

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  160. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Downticked for posting about a free energy device.

    Tough crowd.

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  161. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth

    From a comment on the article you linked to:

    ….” moto perpetuo • 5 months ago

    These devices are two a penny on the internet, they never work and they usually display a variety of common features, most of which are present in this case.”……

    AND

    ….”The fact that the generator needs an external power source should set up a big red flag in your mind. Think this through for a minute. It it’s producing more power than is input, why not use a small proportion of the output to power the input? This is the big problem for ‘perpetual motion’ devices of this kind: if it’s not self-sustaining, something’s wrong. Inventors commonly claim that the device produces a sort of electricity that isn’t suitable (for instance, ‘pulsed’ DC) for running it, but this is ridiculous: either it’s producing electrical power or it isn’t.”…..

    Hence the scepticism.

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  162. Sofia (819 comments) says:

    Some Muslim parents are concerned about public schools in Dearborn handing out flyers to all students advertising an Easter egg hunt, saying it violates the principle of church and state separation.

    ALL CHILDREN WELCOME, EXCEPT MUSLIM KIDS should have fixed it :-)

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  163. Judith (7,634 comments) says:

    mikenmild (8,390 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 6:00 pm
    I mean, I’m comfortably off now so I’d want Lotto to be a real life changer. Enough to become a philanthropist – but quieter than Gareth Morgan.

    Jeez you are hard enough to cope with now – god knows what you’d be like if you became a stamp collector! :P

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  164. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    I watched Shane Jones on ‘The Nation’ this morning. I agree with a lot of what he says. Paddle Grower was pumping him about would he work under Russel Normal, if Russel Normal was to become finance minister. The answer Jones gave was correct – we could end up with joint ministers of finance, and larping all the way to the printing press.
    The man is in the wrong Party, but I respect his stance.
    BTW the ‘new’ presenter Lisa Owen presented what?

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  165. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    These devices are two a penny on the internet, they never work

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCV_Z4vXHK8

    The fact that the generator needs an external power source should set up a big red flag in your mind. Think this through for a minute. It it’s producing more power than is input, why not use a small proportion of the output to power the input?

    Some machines do this, but when you’re developing a prototype it is simpler not to have to worry about extra complexity and feedback issues.

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  166. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    Zero-point energy is definitely viable and if you want to read about Tesla who was tapping into it this is as good as any other to start with.

    As most know Tesla invented AC electricity and as such competed with Edison who invented DC. Trouble with DC is you need power stations every few hundred feet. Tesla teamed up with George Westinghouse and won the contract to build the Niagara Falls generating facility. During this time Edison & Co used to travel the country electrocuting elephants at fairs to show how dangerous Tesla’s invention was.

    He was building a zero-point energy transmission tower in NY financed by J P Morgan which would have transmitted energy to home receivers but when Morgan realised it couldn’t be metered he pulled the plug and it was never built.

    For those who can’t think this isn’t conspiwacy this is history. This is as good as any other if you want to know who he was.

    Read this

    But isn’t it interesting hardly any of us have ever heard of him or if we have, it’s a vague footnote whereas everyone, but everyone, knows about Edison. By comparison to Tesla, Edison was a bicycle inventor, Tesla was a F-35 inventor.

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  167. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    Perpetual motion, eh? UFOs, every conspiracy theory going. Is there any bat-shit crazy idea you don’t subscribe to?

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  168. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Is there any bat-shit crazy idea you don’t subscribe to?

    The one about the nineteen suicidal muslims.

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  169. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    You don’t believe 19 hijackers were involved on 9/11?

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  170. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    You don’t believe 19 hijackers were involved on 9/11?

    You forgot the bit about being directed by a guy in a cave in Afghanistan defeating the most sophisticated air-space defences in the world mm. The looniest conspiwacy theowy of all. This is bit outdated and has a few inaccuracies but it makes a good point in places.

    http://www.rense.com/general69/statee.htm

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  171. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    I know that the mainstream story about how the towers fell is false. This means that whoever flew the planes in was working in conjunction with the people who blew up the towers.

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  172. SGA (813 comments) says:

    Reid at 7:09 pm

    But isn’t it interesting hardly any of us have ever heard of him or if we have, it’s a vague footnote whereas everyone, but everyone, knows about Edison.

    Yes, Edison is the “household” name (he was the entrepeneur), but Tesla is not quite as forgotten as all that. For those interested (he is an interesting character), the wikipedia entry is good
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla
    but not as “sensational” as Reid’s claims.
    There is another page devoted to Tesla in popular culture
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla_in_popular_culture

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  173. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    SGA, If you want the truth about Tesla you might want to dig a little deeper than Wikipedia.

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  174. SGA (813 comments) says:

    Thanks Ugly, but I might leave that rabbit hole for another time :-)

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  175. Steve (North Shore) (4,499 comments) says:

    Two high school girls having a fight all day.
    That was the daze of our lives today

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  176. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    Two gays were on a holiday in New York City and were standing in front of the gorilla cage at the Bronx Zoo. The gorilla took one look at one of the gays, bent the bars, leapt to the ground and ravished him.
    The gay was rushed to hospital and put into intensive care.
    Three days later visitors were allowed to see him for the first time and his gay pal came in with chocolates and a bunch of grapes
    “Did it hurt?”, asked the pal
    “Did it hurt? Oh yes it hurt! Three days now. He never called, he never phoned, and he never even sent flowers!”

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  177. mikenmild (10,746 comments) says:

    Thanks Reid. Like I’m really going to be persuaded by anything from rense.com.

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  178. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Sofia: I am sick of hearing about these Muslim leeches. We had reason to terminate a Muslim family’s tenancy in a very nice area, which they had started turning into a graveyard of wrecked cars, many supposedly stolen. Most neighbours were scared of these intimidating, benefit bludgers, who seemed to think they owned the whole street, using it as a testing ground for their wrecks, with very few legal. The inside was a mess, and the anti-Christian/Western literature left behind (got a person to interpret the crap), was a damn worry. They were allowed here in droves by Clark in order to gain it, and its perverted entourage of weirdos, a position at UN. Maybe we should look to Enoch Powell’s solution and repatriate them all before we have similar problems to UK.

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