General Debate 6 April 2014

April 6th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. minus (174 comments) says:

    WARNING! WARNING!

    Rodney Hide’s Herald article this morning, headlined “Len’s gym a fitness test for Council” is accompanied by a photograph of the Super City Mayor.

    And the little bugger is again on City Council property, “in the saddle”, without his bloody pants on.
    Remember that fuss.
    DON’T LOOK, ETHEL

    The council’s leisure services “loan” the mayor a new treadmill worth $3000 and a gym system costing $2198.
    The purchase was kept off mayoral books by having it come through the council’s leisure services out of the nondescript “fitness renewal budget”.
    Brown didn’t declare the loan as a gift as required in the pecuniary register. The spending was made public by Herald reporter Bernard Orsman obtaining the emails under the Official Information Act.

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  2. hj (6,877 comments) says:

    NZ Geographic

    “Sorry about doing that to you,” he says later. “I worked in a freezingworks for five years and I was a slaughterman. I worked in a gang of seven, and five of them were Mongrel Mob members. I am very much a middle—class Pakeha but those sorts of guys, I spent a lot of my younger life with.

    http://www.iza.org/en/webcontent/personnel/vitae/8710_cv.pdf
    Born 1951
    B.A 1973?

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  3. tvb (4,331 comments) says:

    Brown is a little creep

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  4. SGA (985 comments) says:

    @hj at 8:03
    Link doesn’t work, so no idea what you are on about.

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  5. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    A thesis that concludes Jesus Christ was crucified because he was a hobo has won the top scholarly prize at Auckland University.

    And if he were alive today he would probably be persecuted for the same reasons, says Dr Robert Myles, whose paper “Jesus the Bum: An Ideological Reading of Homelessness in the Gospel of Matthew” won the Auckland University vice-chancellor’s award for the best doctoral thesis. It was chosen from 321 entries.

    The idea of the Son of God wrapped in a tatty blanket and living on the streets is the antithesis of the modern day notion of Jesus as the world’s saviour – but Myles says it’s the most probable explanation of his life: one of forced displacement, political turmoil and instability. And besides, the Bible does say Jesus had “nowhere to lay his head” (Luke 9:58).

    “The impression you might see of Jesus on television – he will not have dirt on his face. He might be seen as a homeless person, but never a bum. The offensiveness of homelessness and the depravity of it is extracted. But this would have been one of the factors that led to his execution by the ruling elite – he appeared as a criminal and an outsider.”

    And if the Messiah were alive now, he would be just as shunned by society, Myles said. “People are forced into homelessness by political and social factors but often it’s blamed on the individual.”

    Auckland University head of theology Elaine Wainwright said Myle’s theory was controversial. “Other studies tend to idealise Jesus and paint homelessness as a choice he makes. [Myles] puts in the context that homelessness is not a choice, but a very gritty reality. It’s a completely new twist.”

    St John’s College Reverend Karen Kemp welcomed a fresh perspective on Jesus’s life but to reduce his humanity and divinity into one category of homelessness was wrong. He was an more of an itinerant leader, she said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9909548/Jesus-was-a-hobo-academic-claims

    Well we always knew this anyway.

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  6. duggledog (1,508 comments) says:

    Vaguely interesting article by Hickey in the Herald (an on line newspaper I stumbled upon) about the Prime Minister warning New Zealanders to be wary of big spending governments and their propensity to increase mortgage rates. Could there be a bigger spending government than his though? Maybe Labour should use this against National, they don’t have many other options.

    The day we paid off our mortgage was a great day. Someone once told me you should always have some sort of mortgage irrespective of your financial position but I don’t know. Kind of enjoying the extra money right now. You only live once (except Winston Peters who seems to keep coming back from the dead)

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  7. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Come on Aucklanders, just because your Rugby team is crap does not pardon you from keeping up the good work you have been doing in ridding the country of its leading city’s lecherous mayor. He is a charlatan, a thief, a liar, and must go.
    Don’t forget the obese criminal slug from Germany, MSM are giving him an armchair rise to sate their envy of John Key.

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  8. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    AAAP spokeswoman Nadia Abu-Shanab said the objective of the party was to show National’s policies did affect people.

    The AAAP event included live music from Auckland and Wellington bands.

    Abu-Shanab said tickets to the ball cost $100.

    “The sad fact is, that’s more than many of us in New Zealand have left after paying rent and power. This is the harsh reality of being a low-paid worker or beneficiary living under National; anywhere in the world.”

    There fixed that for this non kiwi rabble maker. (who incidentally had the money and time to harass others going about their lawful business.)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9909503/Poverty-group-parties-in-protest

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  9. SGA (985 comments) says:

    SGA at 8:15 am

    @hj at 8:03
    Link doesn’t work, so no idea what you are on about.

    Ok – I see. The pdf was automatically saving instead of opening. My bad.

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  10. SGA (985 comments) says:

    @ hj at 8:03 am

    Born 1951
    B.A 1973?

    One of my friends worked the three-month university summer holidays in a freezing works for several years in the 70s. Great job (good money) if you could get your foot in the door.
    That might be what Spooney is referring to (I don’t really know).

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  11. Sofia (852 comments) says:

    US philosophy professor Laurence Torcello has said that the danger represented by deniers goes beyond scientific scepticism and is criminal negligence, putting lives at risk and that for this they should be arrested and charged.

    So where does that put New Zealand’s ETS – that failed monetary carbon trading system that still taxes Kiwis but does fucking nothing to combat global warming / climate change?

    The ETS, which mirrored schemes overseas, was designed to put a price on carbon to encourage reduced emissions of greenhouse gases. But carbon prices have collapsed, partly due to the economic crisis in Europe, and partly due to ETS changes designed to reduce the cost to business and keep the New Zealand economy competitive.
    At 14 cents a tonne, the cost to New Zealand businesses has now become insignificant.

    The only thing falling is the price for emissions.

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  12. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Well we always knew this anyway. [That Jesus was an itinerant leader, not a homeless tramp]

    Yes we did but apparently it never occurred to any of the idiots judging the vice-Chancellor’s award for top doctoral thesis.

    I wonder if this is really a marketing graduate’s project to do a spoof thesis that gets an award and see how much it negatively affects future enrollments?

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  13. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    A thesis that concludes Jesus Christ was crucified because he was a hobo has won the top scholarly prize at Auckland University.

    Seriously, these people have no clue. On what planet does a just and merciful deity develop a plan than involves an innocent man (his own son, no less) being tortured to death?

    St John’s College Reverend Karen Kemp welcomed a fresh perspective on Jesus’s life but to reduce his humanity and divinity into one category of homelessness was wrong. He was an more of an itinerant leader, she said.

    Humanity is a feature of Rome, and is pretty much the opposite of divinity. The term “human” is a shortened form of homo humanus, which was coined by Cicero to distinguish Romans from the “barbarians”, as if the Roman circus or nailing someone to a cross or stake to die wasn’t particularly barbaric.

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  14. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Grey Power calls for jail in neglect case
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11233005
    A woman who left her mother in an appalling state of neglect should be sent to prison for a long time after committing one of the worst cases of elder abuse this country has seen, Grey Power says.

    Joanne Quinn, 51, was found guilty on Wednesday of failing to provide the necessaries of life to her elderly mother Maureen, who died in hospital six weeks after being found embedded on a couch in her Napier home, maggots covering the wounds on her legs.

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  15. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    A Bachelor’s degree is able to be completed either part-time or full time. Presuming he left school at 18 it is quite possible for him to have worked full-time and been working full-time – especially considering the hours involved. Even full-time university study does not require one to be present on the campus 40 hours a week.

    I am not sure why the need to make a point of this? Is it the ‘tall poppy’ syndrome itching you this morning?

    Paul Spoonley recently received one of the globes greatest academic achievements being made a Distinguished Professor – something that does not happen often, nor get handled out like jellybeans. You may not agree with his politics, but to question his credibility is a bit on the nose and seriously sounds awfully like jealousy.

    Paul Spoonley, has been in the radar for many years, if he had been telling lies, you can rest assured they would have been exposed long ago.

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  16. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    Child on the way for ex-mayor?

    By Bevan Hurley
    4:15 AM Sunday Apr 6, 2014

    Michael Laws appears set to become a dad again at the age of 56.

    Former Wanganui District Council candidate Trina McLachlan, 31, announced on social media she was midway through her pregnancy.

    She and Laws are understood to have begun a relationship after the former Wanganui mayor and broadcaster mentored McLachlan, then known as Severinsen, when she ran for council in 2010.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11233034

    what does one say?????

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  17. SGA (985 comments) says:

    Judith at 8:48 am

    Paul Spoonley recently received one of the globes greatest academic achievements being made a Distinguished Professor – something that does not happen often, nor get handled out like jellybeans.

    I’m not sure that being made a Distinguished Professor by Massey University is really “one of the globes greatest academic achievements”. A touch OTT, perhaps.

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  18. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    Jami-Lee Ross took a swipe at David Cunliffe yesterday, saying he aying he “walked out on 100 delegates at the NZ Indian Central Assn conference” in Auckland, and said it “just looked pretty rude”.

    Judith Collins joined in with “That is amazingly rude. Is he losing it?”

    But it has been explained that Cunliffe’s departure was pre-arranged, making Ross’s criticism look petty, So far Ross hasn’t had the decency to apologise.

    Jami-Lee Ross, David Cunliffe and rudeness

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  19. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    wi are to gain control of Maori Television and millions of taxpayer dollars in an election year lolly-scramble that is alarming officials.

    Maori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples says “racist” Treasury and State Services Commission officials are trying to stop his paper going to the Cabinet next week, because they fear iwi will misspend Crown money as they allegedly did with Whanau Ora and Kohanga Reo.

    But he says Prime Minister John Key is backing him and has vowed to introduce the law change before the election.

    The law change would hand control of Te Taura Whiri i te Reo Maori (the Maori Language Commission) and Te Mangai Paho (the Maori broadcasting agency) to a new entity run by iwi.

    The new entity, Te Matawai, would cost about $2 million a year to run, including fees to its 10 members representing iwi and Maori language bodies.

    Te Matawai would also replace the electoral college that oversees Maori TV.

    In all, it would take charge of $53m for Maori TV and radio programming, up to $20m for language initiatives such as mentoring and marketing (including a significant boost in next month’s Budget), and would also appoint nearly half the members of the NZ on Air board.
    ====================================
    More largess for the coloured ones to slurp.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11233058

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  20. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ SGA (482 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 8:55 am

    You don’t really know alot about it, do you?

    The honour was awarded internationally. :-)

    Actually to clarify it, he is also a Distinguished Professor at Massey, but received the highest award from an international panel of academics, and therefore it takes precedence over the Massey award.

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  21. hj (6,877 comments) says:

    Judith (5,562 comments) says:

    Paul Spoonley recently received one of the globes greatest academic achievements being made a Distinguished Professor – something that does not happen often, nor get handled out like jellybeans. You may not agree with his politics, but to question his credibility is a bit on the nose and seriously sounds awfully like jealousy.

    Sounds like image work to me man of the people.
    How about this:

    PROF PAUL SPOONLEY – Massey University

    Well, we’ll be much older, but we’ll also have a much higher proportion of immigrants, and so the things that stand out are the ageing population and the fact that our growth is going to have to come from overseas.

    JESSICA Are we growing as fast as we should?

    PAUL No, we’re not, but then all countries in the Western world are in decline, and we are what’s called premature ageing. So not only are we getting a lot more older people – that’s in size – but as a proportion of the population they’re growing because, of course, we’re seeing quite a few young people leave the country.

    JESSICA – Let’s talk a little bit about that population spread. Why are so many people moving to Auckland?

    PAUL – Well, Auckland – there’s an agglomeration effect, so the bigger Auckland becomes, there more attractive it becomes. It becomes more attractive economically, but it also becomes more attractive as a place to live. And so we’re seeing the sort of perimeters of New Zealand, the regions, beginning to flat-line, so they’re not growing, and we’re now beginning to see the first of regions beginning to decline.

    That sounds like someone who talks up the benefits of immigration and population growth rather than an objective academic. Couldn’t it be that there is a reward structure in academia based on a political stance?

    Honours, awards and honorary doctorates. Peter Sutherland
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutherland
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395

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  22. SGA (985 comments) says:

    Judith at 8:58 am

    @ SGA at 8:55 am
    You don’t really know alot about it, do you?
    Paul Spoonley was not made a Distinguished Professor by Massey University.
    The honour was awarded internationally. :-)

    I took it from his bio page at Massey –
    “In 2013, he was given the title of Distinguished Professor, Massey University’s highest academic title.”
    This information is not correct? If so, then I’m not to blame. If not, you owe me an apology.

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  23. wat dabney (3,709 comments) says:

    That sounds like someone who talks up the benefits of immigration and population growth rather than an objective academic.

    It just sounds like anyone who doesn’t suffer from your anti-immigration monomania.

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  24. OneTrack (2,987 comments) says:

    viking2 – “what does one say?????”

    That it’s a slow news day?

    That Bevan Hurley is working towards the dream job on the Womans Weekly?

    That the left never wastes any opportunity to dis the enemies of the cause?

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  25. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ hj (5,623 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 8:59 am

    You can take isolated comments from anyone and make a story out of them, but if you wish to judge the essence of the persons motivation, I suggest you research a little further. IT still sounds very much like jealousy to me – an attempt to perhaps shut someone up that has different political beliefs to you?

    Sure, Spoonley has been rewarded, but he is also one that has worked extremely hard on projects for which there was no reward – if you posted your CV, would it be even half as impressive? Have you done anything near as much to try and improve your understanding of society, and advance your knowledge in an attempt to raise awareness to what you see are the issues?

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  26. hj (6,877 comments) says:

    Judith (5,564 comments) says:

    if you posted your CV, would it be even half as impressive?
    ……………………………………
    as someone who experiences life amongst the working classes it most certainly would Judith.

    “Diversity is nice but does not appear to be critical to the city’s economic success.”
    http://publicaddress.net/speaker/what-diversity-dividend/

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  27. Sofia (852 comments) says:

    Jesus as hobo

    Mary Magdalene was just one contributor to finances enough that Judas was treasurer, apparently with sufficient to give to the poor.

    And besides, the Bible does say Jesus had “nowhere to lay his head” (Luke 9:58).

    Doesn’t say Jesus, nor ‘I’, but rather ‘son of Adam’
    To take this text as literal, but achieve the top scholarly prize at Auckland University, chosen from 321 entries,
    doesn’t really enhance the university’s reputation.

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  28. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ SGA (483 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    I have checked and yes I can understand how you came across your information, the latest accolade has not been added to his public university profile, and unless you have post-graduate access it is probably unlikely you have access to recent information, so yes, I’ll apologise in so much as I didn’t realise his profile did not contain that information publicly so you were limited. I had forgotten my access is not public.

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  29. SGA (985 comments) says:

    Judith at 9:17 am

    I can understand how you came across your information, the latest accolade has not been added to his public university profile, and unless you have post-graduate access it is probably unlikely you have access to recent information, so yes, I’ll apologise in so much as I didn’t realise his profile did not contain that information publicly so you were limited. I had forgotten my access is not public.

    So, if he’s been awarded another Distinguished Professor title, it has to be from some sort of organisation or agency (a group of international academics can’t just get together and do that). Who awarded it?

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  30. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    JESSICA Are we growing as fast as we should?

    PAUL No, we’re not, but then all countries in the Western world are in decline, and we are what’s called premature ageing. So not only are we getting a lot more older people – that’s in size – but as a proportion of the population they’re growing because, of course, we’re seeing quite a few young people leave the country.

    Why grow the population in an economy the is reliant on primary industry and agriculture?

    By increasing the population al you are doing is diluting the benefit received to present NZ inc share holders from trade that is limited by resource availability and productivity

    It does not make sence unless and when we have the much trumpeted manufacturing sector.That the govertments and economic acadimas have bleated about for decades. All around a moot point because china and indea can out compete our puny efforts.

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  31. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ hj (5,624 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    I have experienced both. Both working class and now, life as an academic, so feel free to post your ‘impressive’ CV.

    Don’t forget, if PS has also worked as in a meat works, he has also experienced the ‘working class’ side of employment.

    As I said, clearly a case of trying to discredit someone who holds a different political opinion to yours – good luck with trying to be successful with discrediting Paul Spoonley.

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  32. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Doesn’t say Jesus, nor ‘I’, but rather ‘son of Adam’

    That isn’t an exclusive title, Ezekiel was also called the son of Adam (man).

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  33. Elaycee (4,356 comments) says:

    For the record: In August 2013, Massey University appointed three ‘distinguished professors’…

    The [distinguished professor] award is the highest academic title the University offers and is normally bestowed on up to 15 professors who [Massey decides] have achieved “outstanding international eminence in their fields”.

    The selection process for distinguished professors involves nomination by a pro vice-chancellor (one of the heads of the five colleges) at the Vice-Chancellor’s invitation. A selection committee is then convened and chaired by the Vice-Chancellor. There are now nine distinguished professors. The other six are: Bill Tunmer from the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, and Gaven Martin, Paul Moughan, David Penny, Paul Rainey and Peter Schwerdtfeger from the College of Sciences.

    http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/article.cfm?mnarticle_uuid=9B22C770-E990-F329-C5E3-767AD89359A8

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  34. twofish (86 comments) says:

    You see Shane Jones’ partner Dot, the one he professed undying love for the other day to the Diary, works for SkyCity…and Shane Jones pretty much lives at SkyCity these days apart from fleeting visits to the estancia in Kerikeri.

    With Labour attacking the spouses of ministers and ministers for perceived conflicts of interest, a case could easily be made that Shane Jones is doing exactly the same thing in attacking a competitor of his partner’s employer without declaring first his conflict of interest.

    This attack though is far worse than any drink of milk and a photo opportunity, this is attacking directly a competitor of SkyCity, who employs his missus.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/04/shane-jones-declared-conflict-interest/#more-132030

    So how will the Internet Party do, if they get a member in Parliament, since their whole reason for being
    is the advancement of the Internet, will they have to declare a conflict of interest and never vote on any Internet issue?

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  35. stephieboy (2,707 comments) says:

    How the 19 hijackers were linked to the 9/11 attacks,

    http://jeffjonas.typepad.com/SRD-911-connections.pdf

    Do note also the myth that none of them were on the passenger lists.Initially CNN published a passenger list that apperared to exclude their names. But note the lists CNN and later others published shortly after the attacks were only provisional ones.Not every passengers name was included.The complete passenger flight manifests were only published until a few days after the attacks and these included all the 19 hijackers names.
    The reason for the delay was obviously a chance for the Airlines and FBI to notify next of kin where possible.

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  36. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (344 comments) says:

    Can Labour turn its poll results around? – stuff.co.nz
    Yes 1007 votes, 33.5%
    No 2000 votes, 66.5% Total 3007 votes

    How much writing on the wall does Cunliffe need? Or the rest of the Labour Party for that matter?

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  37. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    @ Puzzled, his addled ego is probably thinking “Yus… 33.5% thats more than I’m currently polling. This is a victory!”

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  38. Keeping Stock (10,273 comments) says:

    @ Viking2 – what does one say? Poor kid, for starters. Not even born yet, and already having every aspect of its life played out in public for the benefit of the 56yo father.

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  39. hj (6,877 comments) says:

    Judith (5,566 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    I have experienced both. Both working class and now, life as an academic, so feel free to post your ‘impressive’ CV.
    ……………………..
    Did you percieve yourself as a short term or lifer working class person Judith (eye on a brighter furture)?

    “good luck with trying to be successful with discrediting Paul Spoonley.”

    Racism is the ideological belief that people can be classified into ‘races’ … [which] can be
    ranked in terms of superiority and inferiority … racism is the acceptance of racial superiority … It is often used to refer to the expression of an ideology of racial superiority in the situation where the holder has some power. Thus prejudice plus power denotes racism in the modern sense … racism is essentially an attitudinal or ideological phenomenon. … A dominant group not only holds negative beliefs about other groups but, because of the power to control resources, is able to practice those beliefs in a discriminatory way … This ideological concept structures social and political relationships and derives from a history of European colonialism. The idea of ‘race’ has evolved from its use in scientific explanation (now discredited) and as a justification in the oppression of colonised, non European people.

    http:/www.nzmediastudies.org.nz/articles/sueabelmargaretmutu1202.pdf/
    Oxytocin promotes *human* ethnocentrism.

    Abstract
    Human ethnocentrism–the tendency to view one’s group as centrally important and superior to other groups–creates intergroup bias that fuels prejudice, xenophobia, and intergroup violence. Grounded in the idea that ethnocentrism also facilitates within-group trust, cooperation, and coordination, we conjecture that ethnocentrism may be modulated by brain oxytocin, a peptide shown to promote cooperation among in-group members. In double-blind, placebo-controlled designs, males self-administered oxytocin or placebo and privately performed computer-guided tasks to gauge different manifestations of ethnocentric in-group favoritism as well as out-group derogation. Experiments 1 and 2 used the Implicit Association Test to assess in-group favoritism and out-group derogation. Experiment 3 used the infrahumanization task to assess the extent to which humans ascribe secondary, uniquely human emotions to their in-group and to an out-group. Experiments 4 and 5 confronted participants with the option to save the life of a larger collective by sacrificing one individual, nominated as in-group or as out-group. Results show that oxytocin creates intergroup bias because oxytocin motivates in-group favoritism and, to a lesser extent, out-group derogation. These findings call into question the view of oxytocin as an indiscriminate “love drug” or “cuddle chemical” and suggest that oxytocin has a role in the emergence of intergroup conflict and violence.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21220339

    Seems to be a divergeance of views on what is racism. Evolutionary psychologists claim we have a natural affinity to our percieved in-group (ethnicity) and xenophobic tendencies to out groups. Margaret Mutu (citing Spoonley) seems to be suggesting only the dominant group can be racist.

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  40. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    The Shortland Street stars say he is innocent! Free him immediately!! (The hell with the fact he admitted being involved in rape and murder of an innocent woman)
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9906069/Stars-make-music-video-to-free-Teina-Pora

    “There are really strong grounds for giving Teina Pora an opportunity for a fair trial, something that didn’t appear to have happened the first time round.”

    Are these idiots even aware he has already had his retrial??

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  41. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    longknives – i dont get it. the link has the words “stars” in it. so i clicked and it is just a few names ive never heard of?

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  42. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    The sale and use of psychoactive substances are very topical issues. How cannabis is related to this often comes into discussions.

    I asked Peter Dunne some questions on this.

    1. You recently attended a United Nations Commission on Narcotic Drugs Meeting, Vienna, Austria and spoke about New Psychoactive Substances. What reaction did you get in Vienna about New Zealand’s Psychoactive Substances Act?

    The response was positive and interested. I had separate meetings with the European Union, the Dutch, the British, the Americans the Australians and the head of the UN Commission where our legislation was the major topic. All are watching to learn from us, most we believe we are on the right track.

    2. Are you happy with how the implementation of the Act is progressing?

    I am very frustrated by the lack of response from local government. Only 5 of 71 Councils have so far prepared their local policies. Their tardiness is the major reason for the current public controversy.

    3. Was the relationship between cannabis use and synthetic substitutes discussed, especially the effects of cannabis being illegal encouraging drug users to use legal but unknown drugs?

    There was not much discussion about cannabis in Vienna, other than general confirmation that there should be no legal relaxation.

    4. How are other countries dealing with the cannabis/legal high issues?

    Many are applying bans, although all acknowledge that they are ineffective and merely drive things underground. That is why most are looking at what we are doing. In general, they seem to be about we were 2 to 3 years ago in this debate.

    5. Is anything being done in New Zealand or being considered to being done about the claimed anomaly between far better known and claimed less harmful cannabis use remaining illegal while synthetic drugs are given approval to be sold.

    In a word, no.

    6. What are the chances of New Zealand’s laws relating to cannabis being reviewed in the next three years.

    Zero I think.

    7. Now your Psychotic Substances Act has been successfully introduced and is being implemented do you have any plans for or do you want to try and address cannabis or any other recreational psychotic drug issues?

    It is my personal view that is possible that in the future the regulated market approach could be applied to cannabis, but that is not a priority. In any case, all the pharmacological and toxicologist and international advice I receive strongly suggests cannabis would fail the low risk test.

    These are not my views and I don’t endorse them. I have sought answers to contribute to this discussion.

    Like it or not Dunne’s responses reflect some degree of reality of the current situation in New Zealand.

    There’s been some interesting discussions (and dumb claims) on this here: What do we do about synthetic cannabis?

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  43. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    At last genuine proof of Global Warming.

    http://screencast.com/t/iyETTo8q

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  44. Elaycee (4,356 comments) says:

    @Viking2: Very good! :D

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  45. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Journalist Jane Burgermeister played a HUGE role back in 2009 in helping to expose the $WINES INVENTED FLU scam, and I have great respect for her considered opinion and gutsy investigative work:

    WHO ADMITS MAN INFECTED WITH EBOLA IN LAB AS ANGRY CROWDS ACCUSE TREATMENT CENTRES

    by Jane Burgermeister

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has admitted that a man was infected in a laboratory with Ebola, fuelling fears that the Guinea outbreak of the deadly virus could be orchestrated.

    WHO Fact sheet °103, updated in March 2014, says:

    “People are infectious as long as their blood and secretions contain the virus. Ebola virus was isolated from semen 61 days after onset of illness in a man who was infected in a laboratory.s

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

    In Guinea, some people clearly believe they are the victims of a biological assault. The Telegraph reports that angry crowds attacked an Ebola treatment centre in Guinea, accusing staff from Medecins sans Frontieres (MSF) of bringing the deadly disease to the town.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/guinea/10746237/Mob-attacks-Ebola-treatment-centre-in-Guinea.html

    The Handelszeitung notes that the US Military has been conducting research on the Ebola virus. Also, a company belonging to Glaxo Smith Kline is engaged in developing an Ebola vaccine.

    This begs the question as to whether the man was infected with Ebola in a GSK or US bioweapons research laboratory and also whether he was the only one infected?

    http://www.handelszeitung.ch/unternehmen/ebola-pharmariesen-kehren-dem-virus-den-ruecken-zu-589677

    MSF — accused by angry crowds of bringing the Ebola — is currently conducting a mass vaccination campaign in Guinea.

    http://www.msf.org/article/guinea-challenges-vaccination-campaign

    Five hundred thousand children have been vaccinated ostensibly against measles even though MSF admits that a mass measles vaccination campaign in Chad brought no decrease in the disease.

    http://www.msf.org/article/chad-despite-mass-vaccination-measles-cases-n’djamena-not-decreasing

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  46. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    There I was thinking Penny was just a nutter about ‘corruption’ in New Zealand, but it appears she entertains other conspiracy theories too. What a surprise.

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  47. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Hey Penny,

    Is the house sold yet?

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  48. wat dabney (3,709 comments) says:

    Just imagine how the love child of Penny and Reid would be.

    Something like Oliver Stone I imagine.

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  49. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    There I was thinking Penny was just a nutter about ‘corruption’ in New Zealand, but it appears she entertains other conspiracy theories too. What a surprise.

    Deny, divert, distract…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/31/guinea-ebola-epidemic-medecins-sans-frontieres

    Guinea faces Ebola epidemic on unprecedented scale, doctors warn
    Médecins sans Frontières says lethal virus has broken out in areas hundreds of miles apart, while death toll passes 80

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  50. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes, there is an Ebola outbreak in Guinea. No, the outbreak has not been engineered by the United States.

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  51. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    No, the outbreak has not been engineered by the United States.

    Deny, divert, distract…

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  52. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    And we know this because no evidence has been produced to support this extraordinary claim.

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  53. wat dabney (3,709 comments) says:

    Was it the Jews?

    I’m guessing it was the Jews who poisoned the well.

    We’ll know when Reid gets here.

    He’ll know what to do.

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  54. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    And we know this because no evidence has been produced to support this extraordinary claim.

    You don’t know anything substantial about the claim.
    The fact that the evidence is inconclusive only means that the claim is unproven, not that it is known to be false.

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  55. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly, Penny has presented an extraordinary claim. She has presented no supporting evidence. I’d be happy to evaluate the claim based on the evidence, but there is none. I think I’m safe to dismiss the claim as nonsense.
    I always like to rely on the old nostrum: ‘extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence’.

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  56. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    She has presented no supporting evidence.

    Deny, divert, distract…

    “a man was infected in a laboratory with Ebola”
    “the US Military has been conducting research on the Ebola virus”
    “MSF — accused by angry crowds of bringing the Ebola — is currently conducting a mass vaccination campaign in Guinea.”
    “Five hundred thousand children have been vaccinated ostensibly against measles even though MSF admits that a mass measles vaccination campaign in Chad brought no decrease in the disease.”

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  57. wat dabney (3,709 comments) says:

    By increasing the population al you are doing is diluting the benefit received to present NZ inc share holders from trade that is limited by resource availability and productivity

    This is simply the old fallacy that there exists a fixed amount of wealth to be distributed.

    It’s utter tosh of course. Wealth is created – the pie grows bigger – through economic activity in a free market.

    Would anyone seriously argue that the average Kiwi would be wealthier if the country’s population were just one million? Of course not. There would simply be far less primary industry and far, far less of anything else in that scenario. New Zealand would be like the Detroit of Australasia.

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  58. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Firstly Ugly, a link to the Handelszeitung is difficult to evaluate coz it’s in a funny foreign language. Perhaps you could translate it for me and explain how it supports Penny’s story.
    Secondly, ‘infected in a laboratory’ doesn’t get us very far, on its own.
    Thirdly, nothiung has been shown to link the measles vaccination campaign with the Ebola outbreak.

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  59. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Deny, divert, distract…

    “MSF — accused by angry crowds of bringing the Ebola — is currently conducting a mass vaccination campaign in Guinea.”

    Try Google translate.

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  60. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    Drr Longknives
    I guess he ‘must’ be guilty because the juries never get it wrong, do they! There is also Malcolm Rewa who was a ‘lone wolf’ serial rapist responsible for multiple rapes in the area and whose DNA was on the victim, or did he decide that just this once he would take along a rival gang member to watch him rape her, including jacking of first. This case is a joke!
    The guys that he said he went along with had strong alibis so were not excluded, the only thing that he should have ever been charged with was wasting the polices time.

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  61. All_on_Red (1,560 comments) says:

    Wat
    Good work yesterday in the below post where you expose the mad frother Griff has having made the journey (unwittingly) to become a sceptic.
    Just classic- well done!

    wat dabney (3,407 comments) says:
    April 5th, 2014 at 5:25 pm
    Griff,

    “there is little point debating wat and you about the science behind AGW.

    The reality is science tells us of a future problem. ”

    That’s just the thing.

    The science doesn’t tell us anything of the sort.

    The science just tells us that there will be modest direct warming, along with the other benefit of an increased CO2 fertilizer effect.
    The AGW theory, by contrast, is that there will be enhanced and disastrous warming due to entirely unproven and as yet still unseen positive feedback effects.

    Since this runaway warming never happened as promised – we’re now in the 18th year of zero warming – and since the climate fingerprints which would identify earlier warming as anthropogenic rather than natural absolutely don’t exist (the enhanced polar and tropospheric warming) then the AGW case is disproven by simple facts.

    That’s science.

    “If you had an arse that was broken and 97% doctors say operate including the president of the royal council of surgeons.”

    You are referring to the popular meme that 97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is real.

    This is not controversial. As I said, everyone agrees it is real. What is not real, and what that 97% figure does not address, is the claim of disastrous enhanced warming due to supposed feedbacks. The debate has always been about the level of climate sensitivity and the amount of llikel warming. Anyone using the term “denier” is simply demonstrating their own cluelessness.

    And you yourself have argued strongly against the AGW theory recently:

    You claimed that the lack of recent warming is due to natural climate variation. Exactly. You are agreeing that climate sensitivity is lower than claimed by the alarmists. Welcome to the sceptical camp.

    You claimed that the troposphere has been cooling, which is in direct contradiction of the AGW theory. Welcome to the sceptical camp.

    And previously of course you yourself provided evidence that the Antarctic has, if anything, been cooling rather than showing the required enhanced warming. Welcome to the sceptical camp.

    The question is why are you so thoroughly dishonest? You provide cherry-picked data about the Arctic in the full knowledge that the Antarctic data (which you yourself inadvertently provided) gives the lie to the theory. Remember it is always contradictory evidence which counts for everything when evaluating scientific theories.

    And remember also when you were trying to argue on the basis of statistically insignificant values that there had in fact been recent warming; albeit nothing like the promised sharp increase? If you are arguing with statistically insignificant numbers you have already lost the debate. And of course now you have been forced to drop that pathetic pretence and instead try to find excuses for the lack of promised warming: excuses which only confirm the sceptic position that natural climate variation is very much stronger than the alarmists’ case requires.”

    Sits back and waits for the usual abuse and half wit comments …

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  62. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Ugly
    It can hardly be a diversion or a distraction when I point out that nothing in Penny’s references supports her absurd story. By placing credence in this you are demonstrating, again, that there is no theory too kooky for you to believe.

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  63. stephieboy (2,707 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth I would be interested in your documentation and sources that the US engineered the Ebola virus and it’s outbreak.?
    More of the usuall info wars ,Natural News, WND, Resne etc.?

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  64. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It can hardly be a diversion or a distraction when I point out that nothing in Penny’s references supports her absurd story.

    What was the first of the three Ds?

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  65. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Oh yes, deny. That too. Denial would be refuting something in the face of evidence. In this case there’s no evidence, so nothing to deny really.

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  66. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    All in red and watsnot

    you get the laughter for repeatedly posting the same rubbish without thinking about the reality.

    the 17 year meme gets boring when you have no facts to back your story besides picking the biggest El Nino SOI event in the record as your starting point. We now have a planet where an extreme el nino is no longer required to record such global high temperatures .

    As has been repetedly pointed out the theory of agw is mainstream science and your views are pretty much from the alt territory of ugly and ried.

    The skeptics position your refer to doesn’t exist

    You are Just in denial.

    Hence wingnut :lol:

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  67. All_on_Red (1,560 comments) says:

    Lol

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  68. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Denial would be refuting something in the face of evidence.

    English not your first language, MM?

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  69. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Ahh …………. the Kiwiblog toothless goldfish are gumming away :)

    Wonder which of the following FACTS you will particularly dislike on THIS post?

    FYI – although New Zealand is ranked as the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ (along with Denmark) according to Transparency International’s 2013 ‘Corruption Perception Index’ –

    http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results

    – according to the ‘Financial Secrecy Index’ – NZ ranked 48th out of 82 countries surveyed by the Tax Justice Network:

    If New Zealand was truly the least corrupt country in the world – wouldn’t we be the MOST transparent, and the LEAST secretive?

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.financialsecrecyindex.com/PDF/NewZealand.pdf

    Report on New Zealand

    New Zealand is ranked at 48th position on the 2013 Financial Secrecy Index.

    This ranking is based on a combination of its secrecy score and a scale weighting based on its share of the global market for offshore financial services.

    New Zealand has been assessed with 52 secrecy points out of a potential 100, which places it in the lower mid-range of the secrecy scale (see chart 1 below).

    New Zealand accounts for less than 1 per cent of the global market for offshore financial services, making it a tiny player compared with other secrecy jurisdictions (see chart 2 below).
    …………………….

    Next steps for New Zealand

    New Zealand’s 52 per cent secrecy score shows that it must still make major progress in offering satisfactory financial transparency.

    If it wishes to play a full part in the modern financial community and to impede and deter illicit financial flows, including flows originating from tax evasion, aggressive tax avoidance practices, corrupt practices and criminal activities, it should take action on the points noted where it falls short of acceptable international standards.

    See below for details of New Zealand’s shortcomings on transparency.

    See this link http://www.financialsecrecyindex.com/kfsi for an overview of how each of these shortcomings can be fixed.

    ________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    (Database for information relied upon for New Zealand’s ‘Financial Secrecy Index’ position of 48th out of 82 countries surveyed:

    http://www.financialsecrecyindex.com/database/New%20Zealand.xml

    __________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.financialsecrecyindex.com/PDF/NewZealand.pdf

    INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS AND COOPERATION – New Zealand

    11. Anti-Money Laundering: Does the jurisdiction comply with the FATF recommendations?

    New Zealand does not comply with international anti-money laundering standards
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    So – how truly SHONKY was the New Zealand International Convention Centre (or, as I prefer to call it – the Sky City MONEY-LAUNDERING) Act 2013?

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation Public Watchdog

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  70. Grant (436 comments) says:

    Has the Queen visited Guinea lately?

    Just wondering……
    G

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  71. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Probably the same shapeshifting aliens behind it all, Grant.

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  72. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html

    Idiot red nut

    I pointed out that the stratosphere has been cooling whilst the troposphere has been warming

    due to the blanketing effect of co2

    At lest five times

    I also went though the derived temperature anomaly series from RSS.

    Pointing out that RSS is another area of enquiry that supports the greenhouse effect is not in hiatus as you claim but acutally accelerating.

    RSS because you cherry pick the series to support no warming without fully understanding its significance and its failings.
    \
    You just will not examine the evidence from mainstream sources instead turn to oil industry shrills for information.

    Unfortuantly MR ROY SPENCER is one of these fuckwits He is to often to be found misrepresnting the findings of his own research At WUWT .et.al

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  73. OneTrack (2,987 comments) says:

    Grant – “Has the Queen visited Guinea lately?”

    Sshh. You weren’t supposed to let that out. Nothing to see here, move along people.

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  74. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    PS I am aware the physics is a lot more involved

    but these kids can not even read simple text and deduce meaning and context. physics past year ten will fuck them right up.
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/Stratospheric-Cooling-and-Tropospheric-Warming.html

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  75. Grant (436 comments) says:

    Oooops sorry.

    There was a contrail, or chemtrail, one or the other, over Auckland this morning. It must have got me.

    G

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  76. All_on_Red (1,560 comments) says:

    Quoting Skank Science, lol.
    Griff, you’re a sceptic now, shouldn’t you be staying away from SKS?
    Wow, you are so confused.

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  77. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “To take this text as literal, but achieve the top scholarly prize at Auckland University, chosen from 321 entries,
    doesn’t really enhance the university’s reputation.”

    Auckland Universities theology dept has been going downhill for some time. It’s the reason why St John’s began encouraging students to do their degree work through the Otago distance learning program.

    Auckland Uni is prone to this kind of politically correct secularised “theology.”

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  78. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    “Auckland Universities theology dept has been going downhill for some time”

    Great news. The sooner it is gone altogether the better.

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  79. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-04/shocking-truth-about-deindustrialization-america-everyone-should-know

    Below, I have posted our yearly trade deficits with China since 1990. Let’s see if you can spot the trend…

    1990: 10 billion dollars

    1991: 12 billion dollars

    1992: 18 billion dollars

    1993: 22 billion dollars

    1994: 29 billion dollars

    1995: 33 billion dollars

    1996: 39 billion dollars

    1997: 49 billion dollars

    1998: 56 billion dollars

    1999: 68 billion dollars

    2000: 83 billion dollars

    2001: 83 billion dollars

    2002: 103 billion dollars

    2003: 124 billion dollars

    2004: 162 billion dollars

    2005: 202 billion dollars

    2006: 234 billion dollars

    2007: 258 billion dollars

    2008: 268 billion dollars

    2009: 226 billion dollars

    2010: 273 billion dollars

    2011: 295 billion dollars

    2012: 315 billion dollars

    2013: 318 billion dollars

    Yikes!

    Globalism is about impoverishing first world labour and turning agriculture in less developed economies into monoculture for export. So you destroy self-sufficiency in less developed countries and destroy self-sufficiency in the workforce in developed economies and the only gainers are a few big banks and a few big corporations.

    The bonus for the few big banks and the few big corporations is, they use our own money to hang us. As you can see from those figures. Imagine if the US still only had a $10 billion trade deficit with China today? Imagine where China would be and where the US would be today, if the US politicians had simply kept it at 1990 levels. Imagine that.

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  80. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    Big Bruv,

    Obsessional and irrational hatred of the kind you display is always interesting, but never pretty.

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  81. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I pointed out that the stratosphere has been cooling whilst the troposphere has been warming

    due to the blanketing effect of co2

    At lest five times

    I also went though the derived temperature anomaly series from RSS.

    You still can not get passed your mental problem can you all in red

    National or international scientific bodies that reject anthropogenic global warming

    Tumbleweed.gif

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  82. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    There is nothing obsessional about being an Atheist. We are the ones who have said there is no proof as to the existence of god.

    As to hatred, well on that topic I must bow down to the church. Religion always wins when it comes to the topic of hatred, they are responsible for more hatred and bigotry than any other organisation on the face of the earth.

    What you are really saying Shawn is that your god and your religion cannot stand up to questioning, I suspect you are beginning to doubt your own faith and for that I applaud you.

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  83. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “There is nothing obsessional about being an Atheist.”

    There is something obsessional about your need to rant on the topic every chance you get.

    “As to hatred, well on that topic I must bow down to the church. Religion always wins when it comes to the topic of hatred, they are responsible for more hatred and bigotry than any other organisation on the face of the earth.”

    This is called scapegoating. It’s the same thing UT and Reid do. Rather than having the courage to look into the hatred in your own heart, you project it ‘out there’ onto someone or something to avoid facing your own. With Reid and UT it is Zionists, with some Liberals, with some the Left, with others the Right, with you it is the Churches or homosexuals. It always involves absurdio ad reductionist arguments that simplify reality and history in ways that distort it to suit the argument.

    You can get therapy for this, but I would suggest a simple exercise. Whenever any group or organisation is talked about that sparks your hatred, just go and look in the mirror and say to yourself, ‘The hatred I project on them is just the hatred in my own heart.’

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  84. hj (6,877 comments) says:

    Wat Dabney
    Would anyone seriously argue that the average Kiwi would be wealthier if the country’s population were just one million? Of course not. There would simply be far less primary industry and far, far less of anything else in that scenario. New Zealand would be like the Detroit of Australasia.
    …………………….
    Take California. Much wealthier now but is it a better place to live (on average)?

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  85. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    This is called scapegoating.

    I’m not the one who belongs to a church linked to satanic rituals.

    http://wearechange.org/satanic-cult-global-leaders-murdering-children/

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  86. hj (6,877 comments) says:

    The lesson Hong Kong teaches is that there is no fixed level of resources, no natural capacity, no predefined limit to what people might do if given the opportunity to exercise the real factors in development: enterprise, creativity, and risk. For the Catholic Church in particular, Hong Kong stands as a sharp rebuke to the reigning zero-sum ethos of the day”and brings us back to the core of Catholic social teaching: the value of human life not only to its possessors but to their neighbors as well. In the dismal abacus of our day, when a pig is born in China, national wealth goes up; when a child is born, it goes down.

    Dizzying Pics of Hong Kong’s Massive High-Rise Neighborhoods
    http://www.wired.com/2013/08/unbelievable-photographs-of-hong-kongs-crazy-high-rises/

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  87. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “I’m not the one who belongs to a church linked to satanic rituals.”

    Nobody does. You have constructed an elaborate fantasy world built from the bricks of web sites run by people with mental illnesses in order to explain the world in simplistic ways that absolve you of your own sins, and that protect you from the terror of living in a complex world that is not reducible to simple explanations.

    Unplug. Disconnect. Get outside, go for a walk and breath fresh air.

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  88. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    This is called scapegoating… You can get therapy for this…

    You can get therapy for cognitive dissonance too. It’s called education. Luckily you don’t have to pay anything for it since it’s all out there for free. The only thing is, you need to be able to recognise reality when you see it, even when not recognising it is much more comfortable in your tummy.

    You have constructed an elaborate fantasy world built from the bricks of web sites run by people with mental illnesses in order to explain the world in simplistic ways that absolve you on your own sins,

    Funnily enough that’s exactly what the red pill people in the Matrix would have said to Neho Shawn. I’m afraid the sad fact for you is, my worldview is much more closely aligned with the bible than yours, and remember, I know what yours is since it used to be mine too.

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  89. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “You can get therapy for cognitive dissonance too.”

    Which you really do need Reid. Your posts on most subjects is riddled with it.

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  90. All_on_Red (1,560 comments) says:

    “Take California. Much wealthier now but is it a better place to live (on average)?”

    An unfortunate example. California is pretty much bankrupt and businesses together with hundreds of thousands of people are leaving. But I take your point.

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  91. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    It takes quite an incredible of faith to be an atheist and believe that the earth was created out of nothing by a ‘big bang’ or random coincidence and that there is no purpose to life on earth at all. I also don’t get the need for the likes of big blouse et al to rant their hatred of religion repeatedly throughout general debate, seriously Blouse what do you hope to get out of it?

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  92. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Sorry I meant blue pill people, missed the edit window.

    Your posts on most subjects is riddled with it.

    Do you even know what it is Shawn?

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  93. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You have constructed an elaborate fantasy world …

    Well I guess that’s par for the course.
    Your problem is that you can’t reasonably dismiss any evidence simply because it is incompatible with your faith.
    At the end of the day reason trumps faith.

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  94. Nostradamus (3,216 comments) says:

    UglyTruth:

    Deny, divert, distract…

    I’ve read your Kiwiblog contributions over the past couple of days with some bemusement. Let’s try this (completely hypothetical) thought experiment based on those contributions:

    1. You’re a kiddy-fiddler!
    2. Everyone knows this because Mikenmild says so.
    3. Mikenmild is prepared to give evidence in court that you’re a kiddy-fiddler.
    4. As you’ve said in relation to other conspiracy theories (the Queen spiriting away Canadian children), evidence given in court can’t be challenged, because that’s just how it is..

    Now, UglyTruth, don’t try and weasel out of this! Deny, divert, distract and all that…

    Or would you prefer that I had some evidence to substantiate Mikenmild’s claim that you’re a kiddy-fiddler?

    Do you now see why your approach to evidence is misguided?

    Again, just to be clear, the above thought experiment is completely hypothetical – for the purposes of highlighting your flawed approach to the assessment of evidence for and against any given conspiracy theory.

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  95. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Your problem is that you can’t reasonably dismiss any evidence simply because it is incompatible with your faith.

    UT I’m a practising Anglican too. I can reconcile it perfectly. Shawn’s problem is he doesn’t know the actual nature of what he’s so casually dismissing and his cognitive dissonance disguised as an intellectual conviction prevents him from finding it out.

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  96. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    I guess that if you believe in something strongly enough then you can find ‘evidence’ to fit the theory already formed, however in reality this theory may be very ‘real’ to you but in reality unlikely to be true.

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  97. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    UT,

    “At the end of the day reason trumps faith.”

    You have a mental illness UT. Reason is not your strong point.

    Reid,

    “Shawn’s problem is he doesn’t know the actual nature of what he’s so casually dismissing”

    Yes I do. It’s called hating Jews.

    Your cognitive dissonance is that you have created an elaborate fantasy to justify it. Despite being provided with factual information that your understanding of words like ‘Jew’, ‘Zionist’ and ‘Pharisee’ have no basis in reality you continue to believe because it allows you to continue your hatred, rather than fact the truth. That is cognitive dissonance.

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  98. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I can reconcile it perfectly.

    Seriously? Take a look at the ritual of communion, the symbolic blood drinking and cannibalism. It’s like it’s a preschool for a full-blown satanic ritual.

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  99. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “It’s like it’s a preschool for a full-blown satanic ritual” = mental illness.

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  100. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Rowan

    “It takes quite an incredible (leap?)of faith to be an atheist and believe that the earth was created out of nothing by a ‘big bang’ or random coincidence and that there is no purpose to life on earth at all.”

    And that Rowan is exactly why religion came into being. Thousands of years ago man had no knowledge of volcanic eruptions, disease, weather patterns and the like. Man also had to find a way of explaining these natural occurrences hence they came up with religion.
    While I appreciate that religion may well have hampered the ability of some (and thankfully this is an ever decreasing number) to think outside the narrow parameters set by man made religion it still does not excuse the blatant lies told on behalf of that same man made religion.

    Might I suggest that if you find it a little hard to get to grips with the “big bang” theory then have a crack at getting your brain around natural selection and evolution, I hate to be the one to tell you Rowan but the earth is a bit more than six thousand years old, it was not created in six days and nights (carbon dating alone proves that), the earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old.

    Now, getting back to your leap of faith. Are you really saying that it is easier to think that there is a sky fairy than to believe in science?, are you really saying that it is easier to believe that a man arrived in the desert some 2000 years ago pretending to be the son of god and this should be what we all believe rather than science?

    You Rowan can believe in what ever you want, just don’t pretend that the sky fairy option is easier to believe in than science.

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  101. SGA (985 comments) says:

    Rowan at 2:36 pm

    It takes quite an incredible of faith to be an atheist and believe that the earth was created out of nothing by a ‘big bang’ or random coincidence and that there is no purpose to life on earth at all.

    Not really. An atheist doesn’t have to believe in ‘a big bang’ (or the theory of evolution, for that matter) – there were atheists before either of those theories came into existence.

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  102. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “It’s like it’s a preschool for a full-blown satanic ritual” = mental illness.

    Projecting again, ShawnLH?

    Cannibalism is part of the curse of the law.

    And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which YHWH thy Elohyk hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
    Deu 28:53

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  103. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “is easier to believe in than science.”

    Real science has nothing to say on the issue of Divinity one way or another.

    It is only scientism which claims this, and scientism is a religion.

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  104. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    Blouse
    Its fine for you to believe in what ever sort of ‘scientific’ explanation for the earth and that man is descended from monkeys. This explain your ancestors?

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  105. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Rowan

    Simple question. Do you, or do you not believe that the world is six thousand years old?

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  106. RichardX (324 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,714 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 2:53 pm
    I guess that if you believe in something strongly enough then you can find ‘evidence’ to fit the theory already formed, however in reality this theory may be very ‘real’ to you but in reality unlikely to be true.

    Sounds like you have just described religion

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  107. RichardX (324 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (1,305 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
    “is easier to believe in than science.”
    Real science has nothing to say on the issue of Divinity one way or another.
    It is only scientism which claims this, and scientism is a religion.

    Unless of course someone states science is wrong because their religious belief does not agree with it. Then your statement is meaningless

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  108. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “Do you, or do you not believe that the world is six thousand years old?”

    I don’t. And this idea is not actually in Scripture.

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  109. RichardX (324 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,715 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
    Blouse
    Its fine for you to believe in what ever sort of ‘scientific’ explanation for the earth and that man is descended from monkeys. This explain your ancestors?

    I know that is about the third time you have posted it but do you realize that it is a parody of creationists or is it too subtle for you?

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  110. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Yawn

    It creeps me out.
    .
    When a nutwhack retard such as you starts claiming the high ground.

    Amongst the likes of wat dumby, all brain in red, ugly, Wiki, and others.

    Your nutwhackness of christians muddled god lathering confusions is shining light to all on the lunatics fringe. They to can aspire to the total rejection of reality like you have appeared to have..

    You like to think science is a religion As is the lack of religious belief
    Weird:

    Science is what is killing religion.
    Science enables a world view free of god addled supernatural unreality hence a propensity to its adherents to shun god whacking and spiritualist prehistoric twaddle.

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  111. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “Sounds like you have just described religion”

    No, he just described human beings in general.

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  112. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “Science enables a world view free of god”

    Real science enables us to observe, measure and count things. Nothing more.

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  113. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    OK ShawnLH

    So if the world is not six thousand years old then roughly how old is it?

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  114. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    No idea re the age of the earth, time is a very man made concept, yes if you take the bible literally it says that the Earth was created in 6 days, does this neccessarily mean 6 periods of 24 hours?

    RichardX
    Yes it is a parody of creationists, whats your point?

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  115. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “So if the world is not six thousand years old then roughly how old is it?”

    Around 4.5 billion years or so.

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  116. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    http://wideshut.co.uk/cremation-of-care/

    The Cremation of Care is a ritual performance undertaken at the yearly Bohemian Grove club, where a mock child sacrifice is made to an approximate 40ft stone owl. The ritual involves club members, often high ranking businessmen and politicians, cremating (getting rid of) their care (moral compass) in order to clear their conscience for the year ahead.

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  117. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    Rowan

    ” time is a very man made concept”

    You may not accept it but you are starting to get somewhere now. Time is a unit used to measure, it is indeed man made. Religion in its earliest times was used to explain things that man had no concept of, the pity is that as science evolved and we learned the real reason for volcanic eruptions, disease, plague and the like religion stuck around.

    God is made in mans image, not as you would prefer the other way around. God is indeed man made.

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  118. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “Religion in its earliest times was used to explain things that man had no concept of”

    How do you know? Even from an evolutionary perspective religion had and has many functions. Your engaging in historical absurdio ad reductionism again.

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  119. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    OK, so your god, the one that people like you tell me is compassionate was prepared to sit and watch the peoples of this world suffer through endless trials and tribulations for over 4 billion years before he decided that it was time to intervene?

    Only then did he send his only son to cure a few lepers and the odd blind person, for this he made the people of the world wait over four billions years?

    Doesn’t sound that compassionate to me Shawn.

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  120. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    Blouse
    Science has no concept of the creation of the earth, its best offering is the ‘big bang’ or random coincidence.

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  121. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “OK, so your god, the one that people like you tell me is compassionate was prepared to sit and watch the peoples of this world suffer through endless trials and tribulations for over 4 billion years”

    Do not trials and tribulations help us to grow as people? Striving and struggling in the face of challenges is what helps us learn and grow.

    How compassionate would a parent be if they shielded their child from ever making mistakes or having to overcome challenges?

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  122. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    Your god sat there for over four million years and watched children die at childbirth or very shortly after, he watched people wiped out by disease, he watched people regularly pass away before they reached the age of thirty and you are telling me he did this out of compassion?

    It sounds to me like your god is a psychopath.

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  123. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “Your god sat there for over four million years and watched children die at childbirth or very shortly after, he watched people wiped out by disease, he watched people regularly pass away before they reached the age of thirty and you are telling me he did this out of compassion?”

    He did it so human beings could develop compassion. How can we learn compassion if there is no suffering?

    Second-century philosopher Irenaeus developed a theodicy based on the idea that the creation of humans is still in progress.] He proposed that creation consists of two distinct parts: first in the image of God, then in the likeness of God. Irenaeus believed the first stage is complete, but the second stage requires humans to develop and grow into the likeness of God, a stage which Irenaeus believed is still in progress. He believed that, in order to achieve moral perfection, humans must be given free choice, with the actual possibility of choosing to do evil. Irenaeus argued that for humans to have free will, God must be at an epistemic distance (or intellectual distance) from humans, far enough that belief in God remains a free choice.

    Because Irenaeus saw the purpose of the world to be the development of the moral character of humans, he believed that a good world would be best suited to that purpose. Irenaeaus believed that this world would include some suffering and evil to help people draw closer to God. He perceived God’s declaration in the book of Genesis that his creation was good to mean that the world is fit for purpose, rather than being free from suffering.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaean_theodicy

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  124. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    psychopath.

    not only his god is…

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  125. RichardX (324 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,717 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 3:48 pm
    Blouse
    Science has no concept of the creation of the earth, its best offering is the ‘big bang’ or random coincidence.

    I think you are confusing “the creation of the earth” with what happened around the time of the big bang that produced the universe as we know it
    The best evidence for how the earth and all the many many other objects formed in the universe is the amalgamation of debris from the big bang coming together through gravity. Simplified version as I know you are not a fan of science
    Where science hasn’t been able to progress much is prior to the big bang and this is in part due to the nature of time and space. There are some theories that are a lot more interesting and credible than magic did it.

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  126. wiseowl (861 comments) says:

    I would like God to change daylight saving back to what it was before politicians like Dunne and Smith decided to stuff up our natural timeclocks.

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  127. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Yes I do. It’s called hating Jews.

    No, it’s called recognising the Synagogue of Satan. And I’m not the only one who does.

    The Cremation of Care is a ritual performance undertaken at the yearly Bohemian Grove club, where a mock child sacrifice is made to an approximate 40ft stone owl.

    Guess who the owl represents Shawn. Molech. Remember him? But of course that doesn’t happen, does it. Cognitive dissonance tells you so.

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  128. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    Righto Richard
    If this is your best scientific explanation for creation then I rest my case.

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  129. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It sounds to me like your god is a psychopath.

    Justice rewards good for good and evil for evil:

    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things.
    Isa 45:7

    Those who reject the law (ie broke the covenant) suffer the curse of the law:

    And again the anger of YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
    2 Sa 24:1

    And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
    1 Ch 21:1

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  130. RichardX (324 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,718 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 4:28 pm
    Righto Richard
    If this is your best scientific explanation for creation then I rest my case.

    Before we delve into arguments from ignorance, what do you mean by creation?

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  131. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Molech. Remember him?

    In Hebrew MLK means king (life) and MLKh is Molech (death). The duality of life and death is part of the language (K/Kh).

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  132. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    http://www.whale.to/b/moloch_s.htm

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  133. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    A link to whale.to is generally considered an automatic fail – Scopie’s Law.

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  134. Steve (North Shore) (4,544 comments) says:

    Grant @ 1.27. Chemtrails/contrails. I saw this when I was up at Northcross at about 11am, wondered what it was.
    Best pics I could get, there was this big yellow dot in the sky:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/r0vcc4blxdnstd6/Photo0555.jpg
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/bf3kkj1c7b17dwd/Photo0557.jpg

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  135. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    A link to whale.to is generally considered a…

    …link to knowledge you may not otherwise find elsewhere, the veracity of which can be assessed in the usual way, unless you have cognitive dissonance, in which case your tummy may hurt, you’ll probably get all emotional about the whole thing and you’re likely figuratively or even literally to put your hands over your ears and start shouting “lalalalalalalala I can’t hear you.”

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  136. nasska (11,198 comments) says:

    Quick Steve….it may not be too late. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8zbdeyed07ega2l/UT%205.jpg

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  137. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Be nice to Milky Reid. His team only won by 13 points! :)

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  138. SGA (985 comments) says:

    Reid at 5:28 pm

    http://www.whale.to/b/moloch_s.htm

    It says of Moloch (top of page)
    [A name the Reptilians hide behind. Human sacrifice]
    So, you’re now with Ugly on the whole reptilian angle?

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  139. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Told you Wainui would get thumped too, Johnboy.

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  140. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Gnashing of teeth on Wainui mountain obviously echos to Hutt Valley! :)

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  141. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Be nice to Milky Reid.

    When he’s nice to me, Johnboy. When he’s nice to me…

    Hey did you notice we’ve got a new poster, calling him/her/itself “minus?”

    You’re a trend-setter, innovator, possibly even a progressive, definitely an “advanced thinker.” You should start up a small business, or at least sue it for some or other copyright violation. I’m sure an IP lawyer could write you a really impressive letter for around $20k or so. Think about it, you might be able to get it extradicted if its one of those foreign people.

    …you’re now with Ugly on the whole reptilian angle?

    I don’t know what UT’s said about them SGA, so I don’t know. One thing though is that when I give a link to a page, I’m linking to the page, not the entire set of links that comes off that page. I mean this is like asking that if someone links to a Financial Times article, do they agree with all the stories that come off the related links at the bottom. Isn’t it.

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  142. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I’m very keen on getting ” extradicted” Reid if you could elaborate on whatever medical risks are involved? :)

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  143. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Haven’t spotted “Minus” Reid ……..where should I be looking?

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  144. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Haven’t seen him today Johnboy, its probably lurking, the clever swine.

    I’m very keen on getting ” extradicted” Reid if you could elaborate on whatever medical risks are involved?

    I’ve always simply assumed Johnboy that if anything starts with “extra” it has to be twice as good so I never look at the risk, how bad can it possibli be?

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  145. nasska (11,198 comments) says:

    ….”where should I be looking?”….

    First comment on this thread JB….seems a pretty reasonable sort of coot going on the way he climbed into Auckland’s beloved mayor. :)

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  146. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I think I’ll get “Extradicted” just in case Judith pops down to Wainui in her Merino knickers! :)

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  147. Lucia Maria (2,285 comments) says:

    From Ugly’s link at 2:17pm,

    “The Ninth Circle Satanic Cult, a child sacrifice group composed of global elites, appears to be routinely raping, torturing and murdering children” it was announced yesterday by the ITCCS. Recent court filings against the international child kidnapping ring go to court April 7.

    Named as chief defendants for the Brussels Common Law Court trial were Pope Francis, Jesuit Superior General Adolfo Pachon and Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby. Among possible Ninth Circle Satanic Cult members named by witnesses who would testify at the trial were former popes Joseph Ratzinger and John Paul II, UK High Court Justice Judge Fulford and members of the British Royal Family.

    “Queen Elizabeth had direct involvement in the kidnapping and death of aboriginal children and Royal Family members appeared to regularly participate in Ninth Circle Satanic Cult rituals at the Mohawk Indian School in Brantford Ontario Canada” yesterday’s announcement proclaimed.

    I think accusing various Popes of being the equivalent of “anti-Christs” is par for the course for typical anti-Catholicism. Then of course, there’s the repeated accusation that Queen Elizabeth is somehow involved as well.

    Just for the record, for Ugly and Reid, I do believe that Satanism is active in the world. Catholics have to be alert to the possibility that Communion Hosts might be taken for their rituals. I personally have followed and retrieved a Host from a person who mistakenly took one. Poor woman was in quite a state and was very relieved to hand back what she was not able to receive. Anyway, Satanism is far more subtle than these conspiracy theories that float around. They act as a distraction for alert people. Those people (Reid and Ugly) need to learn discernment.

    Reid, you are in Wellington, are you not?

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  148. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Ah! …….I don’t think Rudman will be inviting him round for drinkies nasska! :)

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  149. nasska (11,198 comments) says:

    I reckon I should get a few brownie points tonight…..I don’t believe in Satanism either. :)

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  150. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Have you thought about adopting Pastafarianism though, nasska? It’s a fairly undemanding faith.

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  151. nasska (11,198 comments) says:

    Definitely on the cards Mike. It’s the belief system of the future. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mmufz45uy1gpwgh/stat3300.jpg

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  152. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I think you and Judith should get into your woolly knickers and pop down to Wainui to discuss this Anti-Satanism stuff Lucia! :)

    Disclaimer: …..Johnboy has an open mind on any form of perversion! :)

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  153. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I’ll invite Reid if either of you prefer the intellectual component to rough sex! :)

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  154. twofish (86 comments) says:

    Johnboy, see comment 8.01 am today

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  155. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    A modern Kiwi Easter story – family visited today and I was talking with nine year old grandson.

    He said ” It’s Good Friday in two weeks.” Pause. “What’s Good Friday?”
    “Have you heard of someone called Jesus Christ?”
    Blank face.
    “Ah, he was a dude who lived a long time ago and Good Friday commemorates his death.”
    “Oh.” Not very interested.

    He’s seen a few Easters. And Christmases. Including having advent calendars – a Highlanders chocolate a day I think it was last time. Probably has church going friends at school. Religiously oblivious. Nice kid, managing fine without it.

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  156. Lucia Maria (2,285 comments) says:

    Not really interested in horny old men, Johnboy.

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  157. Lucia Maria (2,285 comments) says:

    Pete,

    He might wonder why Jesus is important enough that we have a holiday on the day He died. In time.

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  158. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I take it that you get off on young, prepubescent chaps then Lucia?

    Oh you are a wicked old hag! :)

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  159. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Evening Minus! :)

    Been asleep have you? :)

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  160. minus (174 comments) says:

    Neither of those were me, Johnboy :-)

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  161. hj (6,877 comments) says:

    Does money make you mean?
    http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_piff_does_money_make_you_mean#t-670566

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  162. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I know minus. You’re minus minor not Minus major! :)

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  163. Lucia Maria (2,285 comments) says:

    Johnboy,

    Right, so I decline your offer of rough sex and you call me a child molester. Lovely.

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  164. minus (174 comments) says:

    Oui, je sais ma place

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  165. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    Lucia Maria – quite possibly never. Talking about this my step-daughter (not grandson’s mother) said when she was about twenty she’d forgotten what Easter meant.

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  166. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Lucia Maria (1,973 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    Yes, he may do. My grandson did comment that he hoped Jesus managed to eat his easter eggs before he died, and then added, that maybe he hadn’t, which was why he came back a couple of days later, to get them.

    I told my daughter not to send him to a convent, but I’ve decided he’s up for it after all. Too much like his grandma to roll over and take it!

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  167. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I could take you out for a slap up feed at the Pencarrow Arms before we got down to some good hard shagging Lucia if that would make you feel like you were more expensive? :)

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  168. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    minus (7 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 6:59

    nous le faisons tous, mais certains d’entre nous l’oublions, parfois

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  169. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Judith est un oracle de la brillante pensée dans son propre esprit.

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  170. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    Oh great, DP{F deports himself to Kathmandu and we get frogs as replacements.

    Roll out the cheeze..
    Oh johnboy is here already.

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  171. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Johnboy (13,266 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    Just a minute, I’ve got to find the translator site again – do I have to answer in french, or would you prefer something more exotic?

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  172. Lucia Maria (2,285 comments) says:

    Judith,

    It’s good for kids to ask the hard questions and then think about the answers. :)

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  173. Lucia Maria (2,285 comments) says:

    Pete,

    She’s still around, though, and therefore it’s not “never”.

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  174. Nostradamus (3,216 comments) says:

    Viking2:

    Oh great, DP{F deports himself to Kathmandu and we get frogs as replacements.

    Don’t be too hard on yourself there, Viking2!

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  175. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Johnboy (13,266 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    mon petit-fils a beaucoup d’intelligence, tout comme sa grand-mère

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  176. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    כאן, זאת ג’ודית :)

    http://www.bing.com/translator

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  177. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Johnboy (13,267 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    LOL – well done!!

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  178. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Inte gör bästa detta, dålig V2 är inte en lycklig dude

    (best not do this, poor V2 is not a happy dude)

    I have to say it looks more insulting in swedish!!

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  179. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    chaq judith teq Hoch woollen knickers Hergh! :)

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  180. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    hmm, it won’t translate that one, which is no wonder, woollen knickers sounds a pretty scratchy subject!

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  181. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    NEW 5PM POLL: Should the Auckland Super City legislation be amended to include the right of citizens to demand a binding referendum forcing the resignation of their mayor? You can vote on http://www.5pm.org.nz – look on the sidebar – but feel free to also post your comments here:

    Five Principles Movement

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  182. Left Right and Centre (2,956 comments) says:

    If the adverts (which I turn off as much as possible) are anything to go by – TV is kindy shit for fuckwits.

    Who would actually watch the fucking things ? Who are these people ?

    Who are the people who (1) have lots of money to spend on crap, and also (2) are so fucking retarded that they can endure the severe pain of sitting through that intelligence insulting sensory abuse ?

    TV ads – It’s got to be a total waste of money. Everyone fucking hates them.

    Makes me sick thinking about idiots who actually pay TV ads any attention and / or are influenced by them.

    I’m fairly certain I’ve never ever ever spent the first dollar at ‘that chain’ of big furniture / appliances shops despite their relentless media advertising propaganda. Even a peon like me could find a way to spend $5-10 there but fuck them – I hate them.

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  183. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Think of Kurn, son of Mogh Judith

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  184. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Viking2 (10,659 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    I presume you’d have to be an Auckland Rate Payer to vote?

    Would such action be successful? Surely he could fight any changes being retrospective ?
    As much as I think he should go, I can’t see how they can get him out of there, other than relying on his sense of decency (LOL – yeah, like he’s got a bundle of that going spare).

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  185. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    Judith your Swedish translation ain’t quite that good.

    Do best this, poor V2 is not a happy dude

    Forgotten my Swedish actually. Grand father was Swedish and learnt some when a kid.

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  186. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @Viking2 (10,660 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    I don’t understand a word of swedish, I was using the online translator, but as a child, one of our neighbours had their old Swedish grandparents living with them, and I used to love listening to them talk – I found the accents intriguing. :-)

    It is a pity you’ve forgotten it – I think it’s great that people keep such things alive for their descendants. Even if it is just to increase their skill base. I was told that once you have mastered another language, the possibilities are endless.

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  187. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Judith verkligen ville säga hej Viking2 du är en stor kåta slags chap. :)

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  188. nasska (11,198 comments) says:

    Three men have been charged with Dunedin’s biggest jewellery robbery.

    It’s believed they stole Metira’s ankle bracelet.

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  189. Tauhei Notts (1,684 comments) says:

    Nasska won’t like me talking about religion, but spare a thought for all those Green Party wankers next Sunday.
    It is named for them because they always think of what they have in their palm. That’s why it is called Palm Sunday.

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  190. Viking2 (11,371 comments) says:

    Quote of the week: Stand tall, think big, and don’t let anyone eat your lunch!

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  191. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Thank God they weren’t charged with Dunedin’s biggest pork sausage/black pudding robbery nasska! :)

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  192. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Those people (Reid and Ugly) need to learn discernment.

    What is the threat, Lucia Maria?

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  193. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Anyway, Satanism is far more subtle than these conspiracy theories that float around. They act as a distraction for alert people. Those people (Reid and Ugly) need to learn discernment.

    Reid, you are in Wellington, are you not?

    Satan is definitely far more subtle than the works of his Satanically-inspired minions who live on this side of this world Lucia but it’s wrong to assume that means the works of his rather OTT minions therefore aren’t Satanic. They do it all the time but they rely on people who don’t know what they’re looking at, not to know what they’re looking at. Isn’t that deceptive. For example see here and any of the pages on here. This one’s particularly interesting as is this one.

    Sorry to link to the same site, naturally there are other examples. Suffice to say symbolism is very important to these people, its part of their majick, as Aleister Crowley used to spell it. And if you think they’re just people dressing up, then you need to think again, starting with Ephesians 6:12.

    Yes I am in Wellington. Why?

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  194. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Thank goodness for that Reid as I struggle resisting flesh and blood! :)

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  195. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Still pushing the Denver airport one, Reid? That’s always good for a laugh.

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  196. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Still pushing the Denver airport one, Reid? That’s always good for a laugh.

    No it was a much more general post showing how ubiquitous the whole thing is mm. If the bizarre nature of Denver Airport was a unique, one-off thing that didn’t happen elsewhere perhaps your skepticism would be rational but when precisely the same thing keeps popping up time and time and time and time and time and time and time again in all sorts of movies, music videos, sports events, award shows, etc etc etc etc etc, perhaps the rational person might begin to ask themselves WTF is going on. That is, if said rational person managed to overcome their cognitive dissonance rather than instantly assuming the whole thing was bullshit without even looking at it simply because when they tried to think otherwise their tummy hurt.

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  197. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    It’s bloody hard to believe that you can get one man that’s brave enough to remove an item from Metirias body let alone three of them nasska! :)

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  198. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Thank goodness for that Reid as I struggle resisting flesh and blood!

    Apparently there’s no sex in Heaven Johnboy but apparently, that’s OK because we don’t need it anymore. I haven’t yet quite worked that one out to my own satisfaction but maybe that’s why we’re allowed to live as long as we are.

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  199. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    That’s good news Reid. I find I’m winding down to it as the Pearly Gates get closer! :)

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  200. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Sure you’re not heading the other way, Johnboy? Might be more sex in Hell, although perhaps not the sort of sex you prefer.

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  201. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Well if sheep or goats are part of the mix in Hell Milkey I’m certain I can fit in! :)

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  202. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It’s not too late to become a Pastafarian: beer volcanoes and strippers await you in Heaven.

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  203. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “the works of his Satanically-inspired minions”

    That would be you, and me, and everyone on this planet.

    Look to your own sins instead of projecting them onto your various scapegoats.

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  204. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Nighty night Minus! :)

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  205. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    Look to your own sins

    I do.

    instead of projecting them onto your various scapegoats.

    I don’t.

    I simply take people as they are. If they act like they’re from the Synagogue of Satan, I watch them. If they keep doing it, I call bullshit on them, just like Jesus did.

    You might want to note Shawn Jesus didn’t bury his head in the sand with these people, he declared their crimes in front of others everytime he saw them.

    If you knew what I know about them, I guarantee you’d do the same.

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  206. ShawnLH (4,484 comments) says:

    “You might want to note Shawn Jesus didn’t bury his head in the sand with these people, he declared their crimes in front of others everytime he saw them.”

    The people Jesus criticised and your anti-Jewish conspiracy theory are not remotely the same thing.

    You scapegoat Jews. Jesus did not. You blame world evil on a Cabal of various mythical groups. Jesus blamed evil on the human heart.

    You have abandoned the Gospel for a pseudo-gospel of hate.

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  207. Fletch (6,258 comments) says:

    This joke from the back page of a newspaper I read today.
    Thought it might amuse :)

    Winston Peters was visiting a West Coast school and the class was discussing words and their meanings.
    The teacher asked him if he would like to lead the discussion on the word ‘Tragedy’.

    Mr Peters asked the class for an example of a “Tragedy”. A boy stood up and offered, “If my best friend is run over by a tractor and killed, that’s a tragedy”.

    “Incorrect”, said Mr Peters. “That would be an accident”.

    A little girl raised her hand, “If a school bus with 50 children drove over a cliff, killing everybody, that would be a tragedy”.

    “I’m afraid not”, said the MP. “That’s what we call ‘a great loss”.

    No other children volunteered. “Isn’t there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy?” Mr Peters asked.

    Finally, a lad raised his hand and said, “If a plane carrying you and your deputy was shot out of the sky, that would be a tragedy”.

    “Yes”, said Mr Peters. “And why is that?”

    “Because”, said the lad, “it wouldn’t be a great loss, and it probably wouldn’t be an accident”.

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  208. Reid (16,230 comments) says:

    The people Jesus criticised and your anti-Jewish conspiracy theory are not remotely the same thing.

    Yes they are.

    You scapegoat Jews.

    No I don’t. I condemn those who say they are Jews but are not.

    Jesus did not.

    Yes he did.

    You blame world evil on a Cabal of various mythical groups.

    No, I blame much but not all of the evil on a cabal of various actual groups. The rest I blame on simple human weakness but I never bother to talk about that, since by comparison it’s a minor problem like petty theft compared to murder.

    Jesus blamed evil on the human heart.

    So who was the father of lies then?

    You have abandoned the Gospel for a pseudo-gospel of hate.

    I have no hate. Your current position abandons the Gospel. You need to get it through your skull that the people we’re talking about are those who represent on Earth that principality spoken of by Paul in Ephesians 6.12.

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  209. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    RichardX @ 4.35

    Creation, as in the origin of the world, mankind, all forms of life, I would have thought this was self explanatory.

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  210. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Watching deadbeat Labour/Green scum displaying envy of successful Young Nats on Tv last night made me resolute in never voting for, or supporting, anything these leeches represent. There were unionists (obese), even a few NZEI teachers in the mix, but mostly unemployable rent-a-mouths, that pop up at every point they can show support for those that are prepared to give them a life of Riley for no efforts. This bunch of mottley losers would never have done a day’s work, living off unionists and hardworking taxpayers, but still wanting more. Labour/Green scum at its worst!

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  211. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    igm

    Who did Labour party TV (aka TV One) send to cover the protest? I only caught the TV3 clip.

    I bet that it was not Katie Bradford. I noticed her POS mother in the crowd doing her usual shrieking. Can anybody identify the other prick with the megaphone?

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  212. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    I saw a fat ugly bitch of education infamy in the crowd. Makes Bradford look almost respectable.

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  213. Manolo (13,519 comments) says:

    I also noticed the stinking presence of the despicable Sue Bradford, communist to the core.

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  214. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    igm

    “I saw a fat ugly bitch of education infamy in the crowd”

    Who is that?

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  215. kowtow (8,212 comments) says:

    Couldn’t find it on 1 but here’s 3. Problem with video playback at the minute. Wow the comments are instructive about how ignorant and envious the class enemies are!

    ps The commies seem to have a problem with the Young Gnats paying $100 for a ball ticket. I’d love to see these commie pricks come and picket a New Zealand International Rugby test….

    …..they have the attitude one doesn’t have the right to spend one’s own money as one sees fit.That’s commies for ya.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Young-Nats-ball-target-of-protest/tabid/1607/articleID/338993/Default.aspx

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  216. RichardX (324 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,719 comments) says:
    April 6th, 2014 at 11:14 pm
    RichardX @ 4.35
    Creation, as in the origin of the world, mankind, all forms of life, I would have thought this was self explanatory.

    What you have listed are, according to the best scientific evidence available, 4 separate events.
    The universe as we know it was the result of the big bang approx 13.8 billion years ago
    The earth was formed approx 4.5 billion years ago
    Some life was evident on earth at least 3.5 billion years ago
    Homo sapiens as a distinct species dates back approx 200,000 years
    To attempt to explain all of these as one event, “creation”, does not fit the evidence

    You appear to be able to examine evidence when it comes to the Bain murders even if not everyone agrees with your conclusions. Why are you so resistant to examining the vast amounts of evidence for something far more important?

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  217. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    Richard
    Your right I examine evidence, everything you have listed is a scientific hypothesis, you have no evidence of it, your ‘big bang’ theory is all hocus pocus and creation is completely unexplained by science, hence no ‘evidence’ to examine.

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  218. goldnkiwi (1,265 comments) says:

    ‘cough’ ;) lol

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  219. RichardX (324 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,720 comments) says:
    April 7th, 2014 at 3:25 pm
    Richard
    Your right I examine evidence, everything you have listed is a scientific hypothesis, you have no evidence of it, your ‘big bang’ theory is all hocus pocus and creation is completely unexplained by science, hence no ‘evidence’ to examine.

    Oh dear..it is pointless to debate against willful ignorance

    I could explain that a hypothesis becomes a theory when it has been tested and proven

    I could list the religious institutions that accept the theory of evolution, including the Roman Catholic Church when in 1996 Pope John Paul II gave a message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in which he said “Today, almost half a century after publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis.”

    I could say that the only hocus pocus is the belief that the universe and life came into existence by magic but obviously your theology is more important to you than the truth so I won’t waste any more time

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  220. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    RochardX
    Believe what you want, these ‘proven’ tests explain nothing, If you believe in something strongly enough then you will find ‘evidence’ to explain in to your satisfaction, I don’t believe in magic but your theory needs a lot of magic to explain how nothing somehow exploded creating a big bang which somehow created the earth and the various forms of life on it.

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  221. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    nothing somehow exploded creating a big bang which somehow created the earth and the various forms of life on it.

    created created created Is your god hangup

    :lol:
    who said nothing?

    Your story with god fails the logic test a lot more clearly than the one sans superstition.Yours implicitly leaves the question who created god?

    Occums raxor says rubbish to a need for a totally unsupported extra layer of “god” in the universe.

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  222. RichardX (324 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,721 comments) says:
    April 7th, 2014 at 11:44 pm
    RochardX
    Believe what you want, these ‘proven’ tests explain nothing, If you believe in something strongly enough then you will find ‘evidence’ to explain in to your satisfaction, I don’t believe in magic but your theory needs a lot of magic to explain how nothing somehow exploded creating a big bang which somehow created the earth and the various forms of life on it.

    I know I shouldn’t respond because it is pointless and nothing is more powerful to you than your beliefs but I do worry about the level of scientific illiteracy displayed.
    You could at least try to understand what the cosmological theory of the big bang states before dismissing it through ignorance. The big bang did not create the earth. The big bang did not create life. Both of these events took place billions of years after the big bang
    Your take on the big bang is a like stating evolution means we are descended from monkeys. It makes a catchy sound bite but displays a profound ignorance of the theory

    Putting your fingers in your ears and singing na na na na does not make the evidence disappear any more than your ignorance of the theories makes the theories invalid

    A definition of magic is ” the power of apparently influencing events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.”
    How does your creation hypothesis not rely on a supernatural or mysterious force?
    Can you provide any scientific evidence to support your hypothesis?
    Do you think your hypothesis can be tested and proven enough to become a theory?

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  223. Rowan (2,074 comments) says:

    Richard
    Your theory of evolution is about as convincing as Mr Garrisons, if the big bang did not create the earth then what is the evolutionary explanation of it? did it suddenly appear out of nothing? or just was, no the evidence was never there in the first place so no need to ‘make it disappear’

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  224. RichardX (324 comments) says:

    Thankfully I am not your science teacher, or English teacher either from the gibberish that was your last post. There are plenty of good websites where you can educate yourself instead of showing your ignorance. Try simple things like googling age of the earth then compare that to age of the universe. One word of warning, if you are interested in facts instead of nonsense, steer clear of websites that mention christian, creation or god
    As previously explained there are 4 separate events, each with a different explanation as shown by the very different outcomes.
    Do you really think the process that bought the universe into existence as we know it would somehow also cause the speciation shown by evolution?
    Did you think that the gravitational forces that formed the earth could also form life?
    Have you thought about any of this at all or have you just accepted what your ancient text told you?
    Those ancient texts have a great track record with explaining the physical universe don’t they?

    The thing about the South Park parody ridiculing creationists is that you seem to take a masochistic pride in being the object of ridicule.

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