General Debate 7 April 2014

April 7th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Watching deadbeat Labour/Green scum displaying envy of successful Young Nats on Tv last night made me resolute in never voting for, or supporting, anything these leeches represent. There were unionists (obese), even a few NZEI teachers in the mix, but mostly unemployable rent-a-mouths, that pop up at every point they can show support for those that are prepared to give them a life of Riley for no efforts. This bunch of mottley losers would never have done a day’s work, living off unionists and hardworking taxpayers, but still wanting more. Labour/Green scum at its worst!

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  2. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    Now you’ve got that off your chest, igm, perhaps you can look forward to the rest of the day… :D

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  3. jcuk (693 comments) says:

    igm …. you propogate the same sort of drivel that I read when I visit the left wing blogs. I see little difference between the intemperate of both sides. I didn’t waste my time with watching either the protestors or the protested.

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  4. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Warning to all.

    (This guy’s hell must be crowded)

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  5. kowtow (8,512 comments) says:

    Repost!

    Couldn’t find it on 1 but here’s 3. Problem with video playback at the minute. Wow the comments are instructive about how ignorant and envious the class enemies are!

    ps The commies seem to have a problem with the Young Gnats paying $100 for a ball ticket. I’d love to see these commie pricks come and picket a New Zealand International Rugby test….

    …..they have the attitude one doesn’t have the right to spend one’s own money as one sees fit.That’s commies for ya.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Young-Nats-ball-target-of-protest/tabid/1607/articleID/338993/Default.aspx

    pps jcuk

    Sorry dickhead one doesn’t tend to see conservatives protesting at lefty events.We believe in freedom for all.You fuckers don’t.Now run along and sharpen your guillotine.Or are you one of the hate filled tricoteuse?

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  6. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    So Kim Dotcom is off to the Mana Party conference at the weekend to advance the formation of a Dotcomana allinace. Will he be taking a brown paper bag full of $100 bills as koha to Hone Harawira?

    This is all going to end in tears when more emerges about Dotcom’s character (or the lack thereof), and when Sue Bradford and her activists leave. Hone Harawira is going to be left with no mana, and no Mana.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/dotcomana-step-closer.html

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  7. EAD (1,128 comments) says:

    Another Senior Banker found “suicided”. Former CEO of Dutch Bank ABN Amro was found dead in his own home bringing the total to 12 in the past few months:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-05/abn-amro-ex-ceo-found-dead

    I have the feeling some big/frauds are/were about to be exposed of the rampant corruption, greed and general immoralness with what the global banksters have been up to.

    It might be time to kick the money-changers out of the temple.

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  8. stephieboy (3,154 comments) says:

    “The Conservative Party claims the Pacific community is against marriage equality, which is among the reasons it’s standing two Pasifika church leaders in South Auckland electorates.

    Elliot Ikelei will run against marriage equality champion Louisa Wall in Manurewa. Dr Edward Saafi is standing against Labour’s Mormon MP Su’a William Sio, who voted against marriage equality, in Mangere.

    The Conservative Party says it represents the values of the Pacific Island community better than National, Labour, or any other party.

    In a press release, leader Colin Craig says National “are not a party that are looking out for Pacific Islanders”, which he backs up by stating “John Key himself went against his electorate to support gay marriage, which the Pacific community reject.”

    Marriage equality was a divisive issue in the Pasifika community, with the harshest opposition coming during a small Tongan protest in Mangere in October 2012, where gay people were likened to animals, the Prime Minister was labelled “John Gay” and MPs who voted for marriage equality were dubbed “mentally sick”.

    I lifted this off another MB but it highlights the fact that National will unlikely be able to capitalize on this especially if you examine the last paragraph closely. It would appear that the real beneficiaries could be the Conservatives . But am not sure if some our conservative party supporters here would actually welcome the pacifica vote, judging by some of their prior posts,

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  9. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    …….http://www.godhatesfags.com/……..
    http://www.godhatesfags.com/schedule.html…….

    Shot out of the water kowtow.

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  10. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (21,753 comments) says:
    April 7th, 2014 at 8:17 am

    So basically, it’s everybody but those that think exactly like him?

    I wonder if Jesus was alive today, whether he would be standing on a street corner wearing that sign, arguing on a blog site, or actually out there on the street helping people that needed support?

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  11. Andrei (2,664 comments) says:

    Archbishop of Canterbury pokes Hornets Nest.

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  12. doggone7 (808 comments) says:

    jcuk

    The intemperate of whichever side want to control the world and what happens in it. And want the freedom to say that everyone should have the freedom to have the amount of freedom that they want to charitably dispense! Apparently lefties have protest rallies with scum rent-a-crowds. One of the worst things about those damn lefties is that they don’t know their place. I don’t know why they don’t just shut up and appreciate what a wonderful world has been created for them. And while they’re quiet maybe they contemplate the reasoned, considered helpful advice proferred by their Masters!

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  13. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    None off the above J

    He would be foundering around some god forsaken muck hole preaching to hippies and the jetsam of society.

    Much like our esteemd host is as present.

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  14. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Hold tight Volksdeutsche Russian speakers, Vlad will be along to help soon enough.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26910210

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  15. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Andrei (2,400 comments) says:
    April 7th, 2014 at 8:35 am

    Archbishop says he has seen mass grave of Christians killed by neighbours who said they feared being ‘made to become gay’

    and I wonder who fed them the suggestion that they would ‘be made to become gay’?

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  16. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    He would be crucified by media.

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  17. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    rent-a-crowds

    is this anything similar to ‘rent a blog’ or an entirely different concept?

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  18. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Freedom campers. ?

    Astro turfing?

    Captured audience lecturing by those who under examination hold fringe or unsupported views is operant in all non moderated political discourse in forums such as KB.

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  19. eszett (2,417 comments) says:

    Andrei (2,400 comments) says:
    April 7th, 2014 at 8:35 am
    Archbishop of Canterbury pokes Hornets Nest.

    A hornets nest consisting of the holy trinity of gross ignorance, superstition and bigotry. Hallelujah

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  20. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Shane Jones wants to cap Lotto jackpots . . . is that because his wife wants a bit more turnover for Skytower!
    Is Lecher ready to hand I his notice? Hope the Royals don’t have to meet the reprobate!
    Is the obese German slug ready to face his accusers in US? Hope he names Cunliffe and Peters as recipients of his donations, that which should have paid NZ creditors.

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  21. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    jcuk: You show your class . . . decent people don’t visit left-wing blogs.

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  22. iMP (2,386 comments) says:

    stephieboy, I don’t support denigration on either side of the gay political debate. But you have to accept that the same-sex marriage debate in NZ was provocative and nasty, and people were drawn in to defending their patches against considerable provocation.

    That aside, there is no question Pasifika (along with Asians in NZ et al) did and do not support Louisa Wall’s social experimentation and redefining social/cultural/religious pillars without consultation and a say. The cynicism of Maryann Street’s on again/off again Euthanaisa bill because of elections (y’know, those things where the public have a say) is another crass example. A public say will come on 20th Sept., and many may New Zealanders will express their view on cultural, intellectual, religious and philosophical lines transcending party political boundaries (which will be interesting for MMP).

    The Conservatives appointing these two PI candidates, as a start, is a savvy move I’d say.

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  23. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    “I wonder if Jesus was alive today, whether he would be standing on a street corner wearing that sign, arguing on a blog site, or actually out there on the street helping people that needed support?”

    The third option. Well said Judith.

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  24. iMP (2,386 comments) says:

    What a strange and twisted place our modern world is becoming.

    African Christians massacred by non-churched people, because Western Christians are too liberal (on gay marriage for example) and the unchurched of Africa fear they will be ‘made to become gay’ by Christians, so kill them.

    From the Archbishop of Canterbury no less (who stood at the edge of a mass grave of 330 murdered Christians).

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/04/african-christians-church-of-england-gay-marriage-justin-welby

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  25. ex-golfer (165 comments) says:

    Nice to see a rise in my take home salary this fortnight as a result of the reduction in ACC levies.
    Every working person will see this, a just reward.
    Excellent timing from the Nats.

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  26. kowtow (8,512 comments) says:

    griify

    I said “conservatives” not extremists.

    Ba boom.

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  27. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Westboro Baptist Church Picket Schedule
    St. Patrick Cathedral in Fort Worth, TX April 6, 2014 7:30 AM – 8:00 AM

    Westboro Baptist Church will picket St. Patrick Cathedral, of the Catholic pedophile machine fame. HEY – PRIESTS RAPE CHILDREN, how evil is that? I wonder how many times we have plainly told the catholic hot mess that God will not countenance your blatant idolatry; Mariolatry; selling of indulgences; renaming what God calls adultery (divorce plus remarriage equals adultery per our Lord Jesus Christ at Luke 16:18 and other places) and calling it an annulment; usurping the role of our Lord Jesus as the mediator between God and man, and giving that glory to the raping, lying priests and many other lies and perversions of the plain words of God!

    ARE YOU PEOPLE CRAZY??

    Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

    Don’t get me started on Pope fuzzy-Francis. The only thing that comes to mind when watching him is this:

    Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

    When fuzzy pants Francis said “who am I to judge” when speaking of the fag priests … WHAT?! You better judge between good and evil and you better put a stop to those raping priests and more important, the lying priests. But you won’t.

    I say – when fuzzy pants said “who am I to judge” he was speaking a doctrine of devils, straight from his father the devil, the dragon, that old serpent. He will have his ………

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  28. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    “When fuzzy pants Francis said “who am I to judge” when speaking of the fag priests”

    He was speaking about homosexuals, not paedophiles. Silly Griff. :)

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  29. mandk (996 comments) says:

    “The third option. Well said Judith”

    and he would also be telling people to sin no more

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  30. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Spawn .
    an idiot.
    with some interesting mental problems.

    Not worth spending time in debating

    as his reality level is a large negative number.

    All he has is faith in the totally unsupported concept of god.

    He often does amazingly amusing mental flips to justify this faith to himself.

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  31. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    Do you ever get outside Griff?

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  32. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    No spawn i don’t
    The magic pixie has shoveled over the 30 cubic meter mulch pile that was delivered two month ago four times to encourage biological action. spread around half the pile on the surrounding gardens, Rebuilt the domestic water pump system. Moved the stock, Rewired the electric fence earth and supply lines, prepared the raised garden beds for winter cropping. provided a freezer load of fresh caught snapper
    All I did was pray.
    :lol:

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  33. wikiriwhis business (4,018 comments) says:

    The Commerce Commission has revealed its investigation into foreign exchange manipulation was sparked by a leniency application under its cartel policy.

    The commission’s policy gives conditional immunity from prosecution to the first member of a cartel to come forward and provide evidence.

    Foreign currency probe revelation

    BusinessDay reported last week that New Zealand banks were embroiled in a global investigation into foreign exchange manipulation.

    Market watchdogs worldwide are cracking down on the NZ$6.2-trillion-a-day foreign exchange market after suggestions that senior traders have colluded to influence currency movements.

    The Commerce Commission would not say which organisations were involved, how long it was expected to take, or explain the nature of the investigation.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9912236/Foreign-currency-probe-revelation

    If this isn’t conspiracy pray tell what is

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  34. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    So that’s a no then Griff ;)

    I’m fascinated that you said your partner is religious. Is that right?

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  35. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    The disgracefully weak policy on legal highs was pummelled by victims’ families at the weekend.

    Possum Dunne showed on TV that he is out of his depth trying to stamp out this vicious trade. So slow. So defeatist. So unpossumlike.

    Why isn’t the MSM showing us the new narco’s who must be making fortunes from their legal highs?

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  36. Ryan Sproull (7,195 comments) says:

    Why isn’t the MSM showing us the new narco’s who must be making fortunes from their legal highs?

    Lion Nathan and DB Breweries have been around for ages, Jack. Not new at all.

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  37. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Ryan (10.52 post), if Lion and DB are narco’s, they’re old narco’s, and now old foreign narco’s.

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  38. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Jack 5 here is thine enemy
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Bowden

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  39. Ryan Sproull (7,195 comments) says:

    Ryan (10.52 post), if Lion and DB are narco’s, they’re old narco’s, and now old foreign narco’s.

    Yes.

    Jack 5 here is thine enemy
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Bowden

    I get a very strong sense that Bowden wrote most of his own Wikipedia article.

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  40. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Just went into wiki and had a look
    Bowden does not appear to be involved in personally editing the wiki article on himself.
    Matt has always strived to operate under his interpretations of the morals contained in his christian faith.

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  41. stephieboy (3,154 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (3,213 comments) says:
    April 7th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Currency speculation etc.?

    What conspiracy exactly.?

    Please provide more details as to why this makes you suspicious.?

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  42. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    Bowden’s about thirty years late with the whole progressive rock thing.

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  43. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Progressive, phtt, if anything he’s glitter.

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  44. wikiriwhis business (4,018 comments) says:

    “Please provide more details as to why this makes you suspicious.?”

    As in Libor…illegality…missappropriation of funds ….insider trading….. which should have been turned into jail terms for huge swaths of US bankers which prosecutions stopped under the Bush administration.

    Banker collusion between state and banks began formally under B Clinton taking away the Glass Steagal law which forbade banks from speculating with customer funds. This began high frequency trading – also supposed to be illegal – which lead to Libor, amongst much other financial tyranny from the banking sector. Libor was a City of London criminality which Timothy Geitner was found to have warned those bankers to ‘tone it down’ instead of reporting them which he was legally supposed to do. As a result Geitner should be serving a lengthy prison term.

    You sorted there Stephie?

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  45. stephieboy (3,154 comments) says:

    I wonder how the so called third gender, the fa’afafine boys raised as girls ,will fit in with the Pacific island clerics plans to switch allegiances and the Conservative party attempts to curry favour with them.?

    http://www.abc.net.au/ra/pacific/people/hazy.htm

    Sorted Wikiri. ? Well kind of . Your description does not necessarily mean a conspiracy. Who is exactly agreeing to do what. ?Please be specific.?
    Under our laws you can a conspiracy charges but you need to prove an agreement

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  46. stephieboy (3,154 comments) says:

    Oops , last line should be you can” lay “…

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  47. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    “I wonder how the so called third gender, the fa’afafine boys raised as girls ,will fit in with the Pacific island clerics plans to switch allegiances and the Conservative party attempts to curry favour with them.?”

    With a bit of luck someone will figure out that boys should be raised as boys.

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  48. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    GD has stalled. Time for someone to say something about climate change, religion or some whacky conspiracy theory.

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  49. Ryan Sproull (7,195 comments) says:

    GOD WANTS THE CLIMATE TO CHANGE TO APPEASE THE BILDERBERG GROUP

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  50. Manolo (13,828 comments) says:

    Just light a joint. Griff will be here in no time. :-)

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  51. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Here’s a starter for ten. Putin as demophile rather than democrat:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/03/the-end-of-the-putin-mystique/

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  52. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    Both Putin and Obama are working together, according to the reputable web site http://www.conspiracytheoriesfordummies.com. This is part of a pattern of global Zionist/Illuminati/Freemason/Rotary club stooges doing the bidding of the real rulers of the world, the Jews, who are in fact galactic property speculators.

    The truth is that both Obama and Putin are carving the Ukraine up in order to slowly deport the population to other nations, in order to provide a landing platform for the Reptilian mothership to land and begin it’s dastardly plan of turning the world into a Disney style theme park for alien holidaymakers.

    There is some information that the Country Women’s Institute is also involved, apparently taking time out from their evil Satanic cake baking rituals.

    There. Hope that helps. :)

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  53. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I detect a faint whiff in todays karma..
    of the conspiracy of the great tick wanker And previous attempts to astro turf KBs tick quota.
    .

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  54. stephieboy (3,154 comments) says:

    This is a good place to begin the climate change debate today,

    Verily, Noah draws the wrath of climate deniers,

    http://climatecrocks.com/2014/04/06/verily-noah-draws-deniers-wrath/#more-18608

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  55. sbk (312 comments) says:

    “GD has stalled”…so has global warming…17 years 8 months.

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  56. wikiriwhis business (4,018 comments) says:

    “GOD WANTS THE CLIMATE TO CHANGE TO APPEASE THE BILDERBERG GROUP”

    The media denied the Bilderbergers for decades until the last protest in England forced their hand. Then the Bilderbergers sent a representative on radio who stated no one was interested in reporting them……. Pffffffffff

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  57. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    At least one dumbass has taken Ryan’s bait. The Bilderberg Group, eh? Where to start…?

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  58. wikiriwhis business (4,018 comments) says:

    “Under our laws you can a conspiracy charges but you need to prove an agreement”

    During the 80’s a prosecutor named Professor Bill Black was responsible for sending 1,000 bankers to jail.

    He stated that once the Bush administration was instated funding for pursuing criminal bankers dried up and the number of
    investigators allocated to banking crime plummeted.

    Also, look into the rising number of financial operators dying in abundance with the number still rising.

    Obviously there was huge agreement in the Libor scandal which is why major banks such as the Bank of Scotland are being threatened with closure. The London Whale is also a person of interest in losing hundreds of millions in bad investments a few short years ago. There has to be agreeance somewhere which is why the Libor scandal and others coming to light, including New Zealand last month, are now being publicised.

    Why no one keeps up with financial operations on this blog is beyond me.

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  59. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    “Why no one keeps up with financial operations on this blog is beyond me.”

    I suspect many other things are as well.

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  60. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    One has to ask…

    Given Celia Wade-Brown’s stellar performance when Hilary Clinton arrived at Wellington airport, several years ago, has she once again ridden her pushbike out to Rongotai to welcome Kate, Wills and George, or has she graduated to a skateboard – or even a scooter (very up-market that)?

    Noticeably, the media make no mention of such things.

    One wonders…

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  61. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I hope she rode her bike. Good on her.

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  62. Fletch (6,407 comments) says:

    Here’s a climate story for ya..

    Richard Tol, one of the scientists working on the latest IPCC summary report, refused to put his name to it because he said they made it “alarmist” and weren’t telling the truth. Now he is being smeared.

    Check further down the article for the “sexed up” summary claims vs what the facts really are.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597907/Green-smear-campaign-against-professor-dared-disown-sexed-UN-climate-dossier.html

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  63. Andrei (2,664 comments) says:

    mikenmild does it not occur to you that the writer of that piece is profoundly annoyed that Vladimir Putin is running rings around their boy Barack Obama.

    That little “freedom and democracy™” campaign the American State Department ran in Ukraine has come profoundly unstuck.

    Not that they such things have ever bought joy, peace and prosperity to the people anywhere they have been tried to date.

    And having a “spring” thing in Russia’s back yard was about as dumb as anything that anybody could ever do. And I mean really dumb.

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  64. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    No, Andrei, it did not occur to me. I took the article on its own terms, a critique of Putin’s Russia. No substantive criticism from you of the writer’s points, I guess. Do you reckon the estimate of Putin’s fortune at $40 billion might be accurate? I wouldn’t know: I guess he’s in it for the power and glory.

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  65. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    “does it not occur to you that the writer of that piece is profoundly annoyed that Vladimir Putin is running rings around their boy Barack Obama.”

    No, why would it? Your assuming that, but have no evidence. The article made some very accurate criticisms of Putin’s regime, thus the only assumption we need to make is that he was doing his job.

    “That little “freedom and democracy™” campaign the American State Department ran in Ukraine has come profoundly unstuck.”

    And your evidence for this campaign is….????

    “And having a “spring” thing in Russia’s back yard was about as dumb as anything that anybody could ever do. And I mean really dumb.”

    So basically your saying that no country on Russia’s borders is allowed to determine it’s own future because Russians are paranoid about any country close to them not being under their dictatorial control.

    That says far more about Russia and Russians than the US.

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  66. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The Tol controversy
    Beyond the bounds of acceptable debate
    http://frankackerman.com/tol-controversy/

    Richard Tol, an economist at the University of Sussex, has waged a relentless campaign to convince the world that one of my published articles is illegitimate and must never be mentioned. (Frank Ackerman and Charles Munitz, “Climate Damages in the FUND Model: A Disaggregated Analysis,” Ecological Economics, 2012.) He has recently written to my employer and publishers, accusing me of libel for writing this technical article. This is a false accusation of a serious offense, no longer just an academic disagreement. It has gone far beyond the bounds of acceptable debate.

    A statement of support has been signed by Terry Barker, Stephen DeCanio, Paul Ekins, Duncan Foley, Michael Hanemann, Matthew Kahn, Julie Nelson, William Nordhaus, Robert Pollin, J. Barkley Rosser, Juliet Schor, and dozens of other economists. It affirms that the Ackerman-Munitz article is a legitimate, peer-reviewed publication making a valuable contribution to the economics of climate change, and urges scholars to pursue criticisms of each other’s work through normal channels of academic debate. If you are an economist who agrees with this statement, please add your signature (e-mail frankackerman12 at gmail.com).
    For more information

    The Ackerman-Munitz article, as published in Ecological Economics
    Response by David Anthoff and Richard Tol
    Reply by Frank Ackerman and Charles Munitz

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  67. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Here’s a climate story for ya..

    Here’s a climate story for ya, take the time to find out what Richard Tol really thinks about climate change.

    http://www.intereconomics.eu/archive/year/2013/2/848/

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00864914

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  68. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    By the way Andrei, I’m no fan of Obama, but your constant claim that Putin has run rings around him is absurd nonsense. The only thing Putin his done is back himself and Russia into a dead end alley. Russia will not win anything out of this, and it’s already wobbly economy will suffer greatly. It was a very, very dumb move on his part, and taken for no other reason than to deflect criticism of of him and his cronies getting rich off the backs of ordinary Russians.

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  69. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Why in hell did police apologise to a criminal because he received a few dog bites? The scumbag should have a job, preferably around stock, then he would learn what a kick in the arse or a decent bite was all about. Just another do-gooder-organised human rights stuff up. No wonder all the good police officers have, or are, quitting the force!

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  70. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    I just heard Cunliffe on the radio spouting off again trying to politicize the floods in the Solomon Islands. Is there much lower he can go? Sadly, I think the answer will be yes.

    To contrast, I was watching news clips about the election in Afghanistan at the weekend and had a thought. On the surface at least, the three main contenders all appeared to be very impressive, any of which I would take any day over Cunliffe.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26765508

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  71. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    “trying to politicize the floods in the Solomon Islands.”

    Does he think Key is responsible for the flooding?

    “To contrast, I was watching news clips about the election in Afghanistan”

    Watching so many Afghani’s turn out to vote despite the threats and violence of the Taliban was very moving, and made me seriously question my own criticisms of democracy.

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  72. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    cha (3,492 comments) says:
    April 7th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    Here’s a climate story for ya..

    Here’s a climate story for ya, take the time to find out what Richard Tol really thinks about climate change.

    I’m confused, is Tol supposed to be believed or not? Please tell me what the consensus is about this, or I’ll have to start thinking for myself.

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  73. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    igm: Why in hell did police apologise to a criminal because he received a few dog bites?

    According to Stuff: The IPCA report, released today, did not find that the initial deployment of the dog was unjustified but the 50-second deployment may have been unjustified.

    Must admit, igm, I’d give the dog a nice big, juicy steak. The burglar was in someone’s home and he resisted arrest when the Law arrived. Unlucky.

    Actions have consequences and all that….

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  74. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Toi maintains the economic cost of action is to high.
    As has been pointed out there are flaws in his models approach to economic cost.
    His position is shared with pielk
    http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.co.nz/
    Exploring the position and papers of both gentleman exposes repeated attempts to pervert the science they quote to push a predetermined agenda.

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  75. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Right Now
    Tol was a Lead Reviewer in charge of a major chapter and reported directly to the Chair. Basically his “crime” was to determine that a 2.5 k degree rise would be fine and actually have positive benefits economically. He is an economist. That obviously doesn’t fit in with the disaster is imminent brigade and contradicts Lord Stern warnings of Armageddon
    Tols work has been checked by his superior , the Chair of WG 2 and there are no mistakes.

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  76. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    I’m confused, is Tol supposed to be believed or not?

    Tol’s response to the Daily Heil article:

    Seriously. Can you check facts before spreading lies?

    https://twitter.com/RichardTol/status/452713119853584384

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  77. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Cont
    (The people checking)included Prof Tol’s fellow co-ordinating lead author, Doug Arent, director of America’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory; and Professor Chris Field of Stanford University, the overall chairman and editor of the IPCC report.
    The email ( by Bob Ward) claimed that Prof Tol’s ‘antics’ were ‘likely to reflect badly on the IPCC and his co-authors’. In response Professor Arent informed Mr Ward that the chapter he co-ordinated with Prof Tol was ‘double and triple checked”

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  78. Manolo (13,828 comments) says:

    A good article by Luke Malpass:
    New Zealand’s PM is overwhelmingly popular, yet he stands to lose this year thanks to a shocking electoral system

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9171411/key-to-defeat/

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  79. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    @All on Red – so his heresy was not that he questioned the warming but the possible outcomes.

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  80. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I find it fascinating all in red that you can totally ignore every post That doesnt confirm your bias
    Toi supports carbon trading :lol:
    He also ignores the reality of the long and growing list of effects and their impacts.
    As was posted for your benefit the Iowa crop yields are declining as are california and texas cattle and cropping industrys due to high temperatures and drought.
    Have a look across the Tasman at costs of the Queensland drought or even are NZ drought and start thinking of these occurrences becoming yearly not one in a hundred years . This is only decade or two away.
    It is a distortion using gdp as a measure when most gdp is concentrated in the hands ofa small percentage of humanity.
    Which can afford the costs of mitigation The lack of capital will enhance the suffering of the worlds masses.

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  81. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    The Spectator article Manolo posted is very good.

    “This electoral system, reconfirmed at the 2011 general election, is a blight on New Zealand politics. In the same way the Hare-Clark system in Tasmania delivered the recent Mickey-mouse, tail-wagging-dog government, so MMP does in New Zealand. It entrenches minority government at the expense of stability and introduces obfuscation where accountability should reside.

    MMP has been a disaster for public life in New Zealand. It has empowered political parties, bosses and factions at the expense of electors, as all MPs on the party list are ultimately accountable not to the people for political future, but the beneficence of their party hierarchy. It has also diluted the parliamentary gene pool: about 45 per cent of MPs no longer have to face voters ever. It also means that loser MPs that are powerful factional players can stick around far longer than they could otherwise.

    But it’s not just the deficiencies of the system itself that are irritating but the moral grandstanding that goes with it. Right through the education system, the political elite and public life, the generally received wisdom is that New Zealand was a terribly unfair place where large swathes of the community were not represented until MMP came along. While this claim doesn’t stand up to much scrutiny, it is a classically progressive view of the world, that New Zealand history inevitably moved toward MMP and now we are there, we are all very virtuous indeed.

    In fact, we aren’t: our politics have become more mercantile than ever. Not to mention that basing your electoral system on one designed to prevent the rise of a new Führer in post-second-world-war Germany hardly says much about the architect’s view of the nation’s collective morality.”

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  82. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Yes- the Left just love eating their own.

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  83. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘It entrenches minority government’
    No, it doesn’t. MMP achieves the opposite, in fact.

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  84. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Reports from the UN show crop production worldwide for corn , wheat etc have risen 3-4 times by volume in the past 60 years . This is endorsed by research from the US Dept of Agriculture. It’s real easy to check.
    Griff seems to think that Iowa is the only place growing crops. Talk about a denier.

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  85. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    cha, just reading the Reuters article, should I believe this one?
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-climatechange-idUSBREA2Q1FX20140327

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  86. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Right Now
    The crazy thing is, the more CO2 there is, the less water plants need for photosynthesis to produce glucose

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  87. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    All in red do you know why yields climb ?
    Do you know what one day over 100f does to corn yields?

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  88. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    All in red do you know what extra atmospheric CO2 does to corn yields?
    /griff

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  89. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    http://usda01.library.cornell.edu/usda/current/CropProdSu/CropProdSu-01-10-2014.pdf
    Corn for grain production is estimated at a record 13.9 billion bushels, down slightly from the November 1 forecast but 29 percent above 2012. The average yield in the United States is estimated at 158.8 bushels per acre. This is down
    1.6 bushels from the November forecast but 35.4 bushels above the 2012 average yield of 123.4. Area harvested for grain is estimated at 87.7 million acres, up slightly from both the November forecast and 2012.
    Sorghum grain production in 2013 is estimated at 389 million bushels, down 6 percent from the November 1 forecast but up 58 percent from 2012. Planted area is estimated at 8.06 million acres, up 29 percent from last year. Area harvested for grain, at 6.53 million acres, is up 32 percent from 2012. Average grain yield, at 59.6 bushels per acre, is down 2.6 bushels from the previous forecast but up 9.8 bushels from last year.
    Rice: Production in 2013 is estimated 190 million cwt, up 1 percent from the previous forecast but down 5 percent from 2012. Planted area is estimated at 2.49 million acres, down 8 percent from 2012. Area harvested, at 2.47 million acres, is also down 8 percent from the previous crop year. The average yield for all United States rice is estimated at a record high 7,694 pounds per acre, up 34 pounds from the previous forecast and 245 pounds above the previous record high set last crop year.
    Soybean production in 2013 totaled 3.29 billion bushels, up 1 percent from the November 1 forecast and up 8 percent from 2012. United States production is the third largest on record. The average yield per acre is estimated at 43.3 bushels, 0.3 bushel above the November 1 forecast and 3.5 bushels above last year’s yield. Harvested area is down slightly from 2012 to 75.9 million acres and is the fourth highest on record.

    Looks like its good for crops RN

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  90. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://www.usda.gov/oce/weather/pubs/Weekly/Wwcb/wwcb.pdf

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  91. Colville (2,269 comments) says:

    igm: Why in hell did police apologise to a criminal because he received a few dog bites?

    According to Stuff: The IPCA report, released today, did not find that the initial deployment of the dog was unjustified but the 50-second deployment may have been unjustified.

    50 seconds with an uncontrolled 40 Kg German Shepard chewing on your face would be a life changing experience.

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  92. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Wow, a weather report from Griff the Denier. The weather doesn’t seem to have stopped those RECORD yield figures.
    Tol is right in that farmers adapt. And CO2 is a plant food, the more the better the growth-go figure/ sarc
    IIRC the optimum level of CO 2 for plants is 2000 ppm, we’re currently at 398 ppm

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  93. Colville (2,269 comments) says:

    Sounds like they have actually found the black boxes from MH370.

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  94. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    Malaysia Flight 370: Signals ‘consistent’ with those from data recorders.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/06/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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  95. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    This is just bizarre.

    ‘A 9-month-old Pakistani boy bawled as he was fingerprinted and booked in Lahore on an attempted murder charge after his family members allegedly threw bricks at police trying to collect an unpaid bill.’

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/05/world/asia/pakistani-baby-charged/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

    Pakistan really is the crap hole of the world.

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  96. mandk (996 comments) says:

    @ griffith
    Why do you focus on local crop yields when you are trying to convince us about global warming?
    Why don’t you report what has happened to crop yields globally? I understand that they have risen three-fold in 50 years.
    More use of GE crops will help further.

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  97. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    You would find that increased crop yield would be somewhat limited at the poles as there is insufficient strength of day light .
    The poles being the only regions left that would support agriculture in a world with 2000ppm co2 if you are healthy enough to work
    The U.S. EPA CO2 exposure limits: The U.S. EPA recommends a maximum concentration of Carbon dioxide CO2 of 1000 ppm (0.1%) for continuous exposure.

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  98. Fletch (6,407 comments) says:

    Why you can totally ignore the latest IPCC Summary Report…

    It comes down to this. The latest IPCC report by Working Group II concerns not the scientific evidence for man-made climate change (which was dealt with, rather badly, by Working Group I in September last year) but rather the impacts of that climate change. But in order to make its predictions about the impacts of climate change, Working Group II is entirely dependent on the quality of the science of Working Group I.

    —-

    Working Group I, remember, was supposed to tell us the scientific case for man-made global warming. If our emissions aren’t driving the climate towards a catastrophe, then we don’t need to analyze what happens during the catastrophe we probably won’t get. This applies equally to War, Pestilence, Famine, Drought, Floods, Storms, and Shrinking Fish (which, keep in mind, could have led to the ultimate disaster: shrinking fish and chips).

    To cut a long story short, the 95% certainty of Working Group I boils down to climate models and 98% of them didn’t predict the pause in surface temperature trends (von Storch 2013) . Even under the most generous interpretation, models are proven failures,  100% right except for rain, drought, storms, humidity and everything else (Taylor 2012). They get cloud feedbacks wrong by a factor 19 times larger than the entire effect of increased CO2 (Miller 2012). They don’t predict the climate on a local, regional, or continental scale (Anagnostopoulos 2010 and Koutsoyiannis 2008). They don’t work on the tropical troposphere (Christy 2010,  Po-Chedley 2012, Fu 2011, Paltridge 2009). The fingerprints they predicted are 100% missing.

    —-

    The latest IPCC report is bunk because the report on which it is based is a crock.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/04/03/debunking-the-ipcc-report

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  99. Scott Chris (6,149 comments) says:

    It’s a measure of how fucking crazy and reckless some people are who think that a 2.5 degree rise in global average temperature over the next century might not have disastrous consequences.

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  100. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    As I have repeatedly pointed out and linked to

    The long-term increase in crop yields due to improvements in technology is uncontroversial It is however very co2 emission intensive with fertilizer and machinery .
    The whole world is to broad a picture to discern the effects of climate change from the noise and technology driven increase in crop yields.
    It’s the equivalent of adding the drought in the west and the rain in the east of the usa and saying no drought….
    More interesting at least to me is the Iowa corn crop yields and how they have been effected by weather extremes over the last ten years.
    All in red is crowing about the recovery from the 2012 harvest effected by extremes of weather :lol: ..another symptom on his antarctic continent winter sea ice +1% decade vs arctic ocean sea -10% nonsense and inability to comprehend the difference between a cooling stratosphere and a warming troposphere
    These extremes are and will continue to increase. It is only a matter of time before crop yields are badly effected as more regions are effected by climatic extremes

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  101. minus (201 comments) says:

    Barry Sooper SKY NEWS says Kim Dotcom’s sitting member “in his pocket” must be Hone Harawira.
    Gareth Morgan “economist” is a hanger on as well.

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  102. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    “Gareth Morgan “economist” is a hanger on as well.”

    Wait a minute, what is Morgan’s connection?

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  103. Lucia Maria (2,449 comments) says:

    Why brain death as a diagnosis is dangerous: Swedish stroke patient hears doctors discuss removing his organs

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  104. kowtow (8,512 comments) says:

    It’s ironic that the Brown badger ,Hangover Pete, the link whore, posted “A warning to all” where whores and whore mongers were the first condemnation the guys board.

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  105. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Yeah yeah , ” it’s only a matter of time”. The end of the world is coming.
    Promises promises. Meanwhile the world carries on.

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  106. Viking2 (11,484 comments) says:

    You may be a Muslim.
    >
    > 1. If you refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral
    > objection to liquor,
    > You may be a Muslim.
    >
    > 2. If you own a £3,000 machine gun and a £5,000 rocket
    > launcher, but you can’t afford shoes,
    > You may be a Muslim.
    >
    > 3. If you have more wives than teeth,
    > You may be a Muslim.
    >
    > 4. If you wipe your bum with your bare hand but consider bacon
    > to be unclean,
    > You may be a Muslim.
    >
    > 5. If you think vests come in two styles: Bullet-proof and
    > suicide.
    > You may be a Muslim
    >
    > 6. If you can’t think of anyone you haven’t declared jihad
    > against,
    > You may be a Muslim.
    >
    > 7. If you consider television dangerous but routinely carry
    > explosives in your clothing,
    > You may be a Muslim.
    >
    > 8. If you were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses
    > other than setting off roadside bombs,
    > You may be a Muslim.
    >
    > 9. If you have nothing against women and think every man should
    > own at least four,
    > You may be a Muslim.
    >
    > 10. If you find this offensive or racist and don’t forward it,
    > You may be a Muslim.

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  107. Viking2 (11,484 comments) says:

    Four Pints of Foreign Blood!
    John, a lifelong white racist living in the South End of Auckland is in a major
    car crash.
    When he comes round 3 days later in hospital the surgeon says: “I’ve got
    Good news and bad news…..the bad news is you have had 2 pints of Maori
    Blood and 2 pints of PI blood”
    John screams “What the hell is the good news then?”
    “Your penis is 6″ longer and you are top of the housing list”

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

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  108. Viking2 (11,484 comments) says:

    Believe it or not!!!

    While the USA is withdrawing from Afghanistan, one of their command and control systems (used for controlling pilot-less drones) was hijacked by the Taliban while the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy, killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

    What the Taliban want is money. They offered to sell the system to the Russians and the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine but the Chinese are hungry for the system’s technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

    Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they were determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

    The Chinese decide that it will be safest to transport the cargo via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all, the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm a civilian aircraft.. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

    There are 5 American and Israeli agents on-board who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 “Iranians” with stolen passports could be among them.

    When MH370 is about to leave Malaysian air space and was reporting to Vietnamese air control, an American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

    How can an AWAC do this ? Remember the 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) were installed with a remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilot-less spy aircraft and drones.

    The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space is covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

    The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

    The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refueled and continued its flight to
    Diego
    Garcia
    , the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead persons will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers took off again via remote control and crashed into the South Indian Ocean, causing the world to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and hence blame the defiant captain and copilot.

    The Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort into the South China Sea while the plane made its way to the Indian Ocean. Then they came out with conflicting statements and evidence to confuse the world. Australia is complicit.

    The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

    Don’t believe the story? I don’t expect you to, but let’s wait and see how the episode unveils itself. Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snowden emerges.

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  109. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Oh and Griff the other day you were tellng us the troposphere temp hadn’t changed and now it’s warming?
    You’re a waste of time. The local climate village idiot who has confused himself so much he parrots the sceptics view and doesn’t realise it. Wat really showed you up for the fool you are.( he was discussing ice with you not me btw)

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  110. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The end of the world? …..Hardly,,, Gala the planet doesn’t give a fuck.

    The end of humanity? doubt that we are after all a very adaptive and hardy sub species of H. sapiens

    The end of our civilization?. business as usual will result in economic collapse and mass migration starvation famine flood war and pestilence for the majority of humanity.

    When not if

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  111. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    Gaia is a divinity Griff. I though you didn’t have those?

    In Greek mythology, Gaia (/ˈɡeɪ.ə/ or /ˈɡaɪ.ə/; from Ancient Greek Γαῖα, a poetical form of Gē Γῆ, “land” or “earth”;[1] also Gaea, or Ge) was the personification of the Earth,[2] one of the Greek primordial deities. Gaia was the great mother of all: the primal Greek Mother Goddess; creator and giver of birth to the Earth and all the Universe; the heavenly gods, the Titans, and the Giants were born to her.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(mythology)

    Welcome to the world of faith. :)

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  112. kowtow (8,512 comments) says:

    Oh dear,MH370 an American Israeli op?

    V2 has really lost the plot.

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  113. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    V2, your starting to sound like Ugly. This is not a good thing.

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  114. Fletch (6,407 comments) says:

    More killing of Christians in Egypt by Muslims.

    On Friday, March 28, in Ain Shams, a suburb of Cairo, rioting Muslim Brotherhood supporters attacked the Virgin Mary and Archangel Michael Coptic Orthodox Church, including by opening fire on it and setting parked cars aflame.  Four people died.

    One of the slain, a young Coptic woman, was savagely mauled and molested before being murdered — simply because her cross identified her as a Christian to the Brotherhood rioters.

    According to an eyewitness who discussed the entire event on the Egyptian program, 90 Minutes, Mary Sameh George was parking by the church to deliver medicine to a sickly, elderly woman:

    Once they saw that she was a Christian [because of the cross hanging on her rear view mirror], they jumped on top of the car, to the point that the vehicle was no longer visible. The roof of the car collapsed in.  When they realized that she was starting to die, they pulled her out of the car and started pounding on her and pulling her hair — to the point that portions of her hair and scalp came off.  They kept beating her, kicking her, stabbing her with any object or weapon they could find….  Throughout [her ordeal] she tried to protect her face, giving her back to the attackers, till one of them came and stabbed her right in the back, near the heart, finishing her off. Then another came and grabbed her by the hair, shaking her head, and with the other hand slit her throat.  Another pulled her pants off, to the point that she was totally naked.

    The eyewitness, as well as many others who have since appeared on videos, complained about Egyptian State Security and how it did not intervene — just like under Morsi, when St. Mark Cathedral was besieged, even as security stood by — how it knows exactly who the murderers are, and how one of Mary’s murderers, whom “everyone reported to Security,” was simply relaxing in his home, not even hiding.

    [...]

    A video of Mary’s family members has one woman screaming out the following words — which may be of interest to some Americans:

    A message to [U.S. President Barack] Obama, who is calling for the Brotherhood to return to power again. I want to tell him, have mercy, enough is enough! His brother is in the al-Qaeda organization! Why do you want to destroy Egypt?….Egypt will remain whether you, the Brotherhood, or anyone else likes it or not!

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4858/muslim_mob_slaughters_christian_for_her_cross

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  115. kowtow (8,512 comments) says:

    Fletch

    Impossible ,Islam is the religion of peace.Our politicians, academics,even church leaders all say so………

    Also ,the Arab world has had a big Spring thingy, the MSM has told us so.Everything is sweetness and light in the lands of the Mohamadans.

    And Obama ,Hollande and Cameron are backing them ,so they must be the good guys!

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  116. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Shall we go again all in red?

    RSS
    Temperature anomaly series,

    http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html

    The one you use to support your no warming since 1997 meme

    Cherry pick That being a point were the biggest el Nino last century caused global temperature anomaly to jump .3 degrees c

    This satellite derived series has the interesting function of having the atmosphere sliced into different layers.

    What starts as a warming trend at the lower troposphere channel tlt +0.124k decade

    becomes a cooling trend at the top of the stratosphere C14 -0.761k decade

    Like your bed when you pile on an extra blanket becoming colder on its outer surface and hence warmer in side.because less heat is escaping to space.

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  117. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) were installed with a remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilot-less spy aircraft and drones.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/04/mh370chang/

    A high-level Malaysian source has confirmed that missing Flight MH370 must have been hijacked by remote control.

    Matthias Chang, a barrister who served as Political Secretary to the Fourth Prime Minister of Malaysia, Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, explained why only a remote-hijacking “fly by wire” scenario can explain the plane’s disappearance.

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  118. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    Buyer Beware: Veterans Today and its Anti-Israel Agenda

    Veterans Today (VT) is a website that bills itself as a “military veterans and foreign affairs journal.” And, indeed, many of its contributors are military veterans or veterans’ advocates from across the political spectrum. VT also offers some information about veterans’ benefits (lifted from the Veterans’ Administration) and links to home and other loans for vets.

    But start reading the posts, and you’ll find something else entirely: myriad claims that there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 (Israel orchestrated it, in cahoots with the American government), that the American government is a puppet (of Israel), that the Holocaust never happened or was greatly exaggerated (Jews made it up to manipulate non-Jews), and, most recently, that Julian Assange, the man behind Wikileaks, is a pawn (of Israel).

    Notice a theme?

    Duff’s anti-Israel articles get a lot of play, and are often quoted or linked to on other conspiracy sites as well as on white nationalist sites like Stormfront and White News Now. Indeed, the anti-Israel bent on VT can slide pretty quickly into overt anti-Semitism. J.B. Campbell, a self-proclaimed founder of the militia movement, wrote this past November on VT: “Since Jews control every important aspect of our lives through banking, finance, law, war, food & drugs and entertainment, we are literally floating on a reservoir of truth blocked by a dam of lies… . The Jews have poisoned our minds for a long time, certainly for all the time that we’ve been alive.” Campbell also claims that Jews control the Federal Reserve and the US Army.

    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda/

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  119. Reid (16,491 comments) says:

    Buyer Beware: Veterans Today and its Anti-Israel Agenda

    Cognitive dissonance alert.

    Some people hallucinate any criticism of Iswael is verbotten, possibly cos they hallucinate they’re victims. Sufferers normally have no trouble with hallucinating things like for example, Iran is aggressive, despite not having invaded any country for hundreds and hundreds of years, but sufferers hallucinate nevertheless the very first thing she’ll do if she gets a nuke is annihilate the ‘Zionist entity’ despite knowing the fact said entity would immediately respond with more than one of her 300+ actual nukes, not the fantasy kinds like Iran is said by said entity, to definitely, for sure, without doubt, actually possess. Sufferers also bypass the obvious fact that having got the US to get rid of it’s public enemy No #2 – Iraq – despite it not being involved in 911 or possessing WMDs – it may well be the case that Iswael isn’t telling the whole truth about whose got what in its own region. But sufferers have never worried about truth, when it comes to defending the memes propagated by its poor widdle victim which according to their hallucination, only ever defends itself from unfounded agwession from the nasty Arabs, with all those stones, which really hurt the paintwork on poor widdle Iswael’s shiny tanks the US had just given them, for free.

    Notice a theme? Of course not. The media wouldn’t lie, the media sometimes lies, but never about poor widdle Iswael…

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  120. ex-golfer (165 comments) says:

    John Key on Campbell Live.
    Don’t normally watch the prats programme but happened to stumble across it.
    This is why Key remains one of NZ’s most popular PM’s – down to earth, doing what most NZr’s relate to (the barbie mate!) and not taking himself too serious.
    Can’t wait to see the contrast that Cunliffe provides.

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  121. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    Reid,

    check your own cognitive dissonance. How can this line from VT be called criticism of Israel:

    “Campbell, a self-proclaimed founder of the militia movement, wrote this past November on VT: “Since Jews control every important aspect of our lives through banking, finance, law, war, food & drugs and entertainment, we are literally floating on a reservoir of truth blocked by a dam of lies… . The Jews have poisoned our minds for a long time, certainly for all the time that we’ve been alive.”

    Looks like Jew hatred to me. No wonder your defending them. Now THAT is cognitive dissonance.

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  122. Reid (16,491 comments) says:

    Shawn cognitive dissonance is failing to recognise truth when you see it because your ego tells you that if you do then you’ll feel like an idiot because for your entire life you’ve thought the world worked one way and now, if you recognise “x,” then you’ll have to accept that you were utterly and totally wrong and that will cause bad feelings in your tummy.

    Your subconscious works to protect your ego no matter what the reality is – it doesn’t care. The only thing it cares about is creating a reality that your ego can live with, so without you even consciously realising what it’s doing, your subconscious feeds you all sorts of reasons why the “threatening” material you are processing cannot be and is not, the case, regardless of whether or not it actually perfectly fits what you would otherwise, if not for the threatening conclusion you are forced to reach if you accept it, accept as a perfectly logical argument. And I repeat, you don’t even know you are doing it.

    You’ve made the same mistake several times with your allegation of what cognitive dissonance is, I just thought I’d explain it. A neutral example is you buy a new car, but in fact you paid too much for it. Rather than admit to yourself you were an idiot, you rationalise to yourself that your repair bills will be less than they would have been if you’d bought a cheaper version. This rationalisation may or may not be the actual case, but that’s what your mind comes up with, to avoid cognitive dissonance.

    The question of how the Israeli leadership behaves and how those Jews who are at the top of the fields your quote mentions behave and I note Campbell omitted the media, is of course a separate question quite unrelated to the cognitive dissonance phenomena. However if you do have cognitive dissonance around the subject of Israel and Jews, then it’s quite obvious any search for the actual factual truth will be creating an internal struggle in you between your head and your tummy, a struggle I predict probably is occurring within you even as you read these words, without you even knowing it.

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  123. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    Reid, everything you said above explains you perfectly. Your need to believe in your conspiracy creates cognitive dissonance from seeing any other possibility, and your claim not to be a Jew hater while at the same time approving of Jew hating rhetoric is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance.

    And Reid, nothing is going on in my stomach. I’m very clear about what I believe and why, and you have not once said anything I have not heard before, mostly from Neo-Nazis.

    If you think your Nazi style Jew hatred is likely to sway me at all, you really are not playing with a full deck.

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  124. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    I feel so proud as a New Zealander that we can produce a team of fat brown, tongue poking, naked arse’s to prance about in front of distinguished visitors at the drop of a hat.

    I hope to get the franchise for blue vivid moko markers before next royal visit so even if I am cringing there’s a profit in it all! :)

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  125. kowtow (8,512 comments) says:

    UT

    The Malays can’t confirm a damn thing!

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  126. publicwatchdog (2,613 comments) says:

    Gosh Kiwibloggers – missed this one?

    John Banks is going to trial for electoral fraud – case starting Monday 19 May 2014 in the Auckland High Court:

    Judgment of Wylie J available here:

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com/uncategorized/john-banks-is-going-to-trial-starting-19-may-2014/

    Banks loses bid to have prosecution thrown out

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11233854

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/john-banks-loses-bid-have-electoral-fraud-case-thrown-5889144

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  127. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    How is your case v Council rates dept. to keep your house going Penny? :)

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  128. stigie (1,219 comments) says:

    The council must be about due to take it over Johnboy !

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  129. stigie (1,219 comments) says:

    Missed Nasska’s joke at 8pm, where the fuck is he ?

    Has he gone on holiday in the outskirts of Eke ?

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  130. Reid (16,491 comments) says:

    I’m very clear about what I believe and why, and you have not once said anything I have not heard before, mostly from Neo-Nazis. If you think your Nazi style Jew hatred is likely to sway me at all, you really are not playing with a full deck.

    Shawn here are the real neo-Nazis. And the West is supporting them. I don’t of course, I never have, but you do, don’t you. Although you don’t know it due to your cognitive dissonance, this means that the Askhenazi Jews in the West have teamed up with the neo-Nazis in Ukraine, and they, the Ashkenazi Jews of the West, evidently don’t have a problem with doing that. Isn’t that peculiar, or at least it would be if you wretched tummy think didn’t get in the way whenever you start asking yourself that question.

    Luckily you’ve got an excuse, in that you’re not evil like the Askhenazi Jews and the neo-Nazis are, you’re just what they call a useful idiot. In some ways I do wish your tummy didn’t hurt you quite so much as it does because it’s getting rather tiresome pointing out these extraordinarily elementary connections to you and surely I would have thought, even an idiot might start to wake up, but no, still no sign whatsoever of the slightest light dawning. The tummy rage continues, you poor thing.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-medias-disinformation-campaign-on-ukraine-there-are-no-neo-nazis-in-the-interim-government/5376530

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  131. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    They might turn it into a brothel for council employees stigie. After they reconnect the water of course! :)

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  132. publicwatchdog (2,613 comments) says:

    errrr…. like you care Johnboy?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Penny Bright

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  133. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Nigella’s descended from Ashkenazi Jews Reid. I saw it on “Who Do You Think You Are”. Heaven forbid she could be evil! :)

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  134. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    That’s very unkind Penny.

    We all admire your feisty spirit here and care about you’re welfare even if we do think you’re crazy. :)

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  135. Reid (16,491 comments) says:

    Nigella’s descended from Ashkenazi Jews Reid.

    Well her nasty swine of an ex-husband certainly behaves like he’s one of them Johnboy but who knows if he is or isn’t. Not all Ashkenazis are evil of course, but Saatchi certainly proved typical of the breed by outing his ex over drugs and deliberately trying to ruin her career for having the temerity to divorce the prick after he’d done nothing except tried to strangle her and what’s the bet he’s done much worse to her in private.

    They’re total arseholes, the ones with money and power, as he proved himself to be over that. Think of Dick Cheney without the wit and charm and you’ve got them.

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  136. stigie (1,219 comments) says:

    “They might turn it into a brothel for council employees stigie. After they reconnect the water of course! :)”

    Dont forget the sewage Johnboy, you cant run a brothel with a hole in the back yard !!~

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  137. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Yeah. I never did like the look of that ugly little turd Saatchi….but Nigella….well I’d eat her cream dumplings anytime she wanted me too! :)

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  138. stigie (1,219 comments) says:

    All the up ticks for Penny, Fucking fantastic !

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  139. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    I gave her one at 9:55 just to show I do care stigie! :)

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  140. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    I seem to have awoken the slumbering Minus Monster though! :)

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  141. ShawnLH (5,265 comments) says:

    “in that you’re not evil like the Askhenazi Jews”

    Your no different from Hitler Reid. God is watching. Repent of your sin, and stop bringing the Name of Christ into disrepute with your Jew hatred.

    Repent Reid, before it’s too late.

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  142. stigie (1,219 comments) says:

    You are a caring sod Johnboy as we have seen, even to the Minus Monster who has been troublesome to your gifted cause !!~

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  143. Reid (16,491 comments) says:

    stop bringing the Name of Christ into disrepute with your Jew hatred.

    I’ve told you Shawn, I don’t hate the Jews, I don’t even really hate the Jews who say they are Jews but are not. But they hate we Christians, make no mistake about that, because they’re receiving their orders direct from Satan. And you know what Satan thinks of us, don’t you.

    You’re under the spell of their deception, and you refuse even to investigate to see if you’re correct. Remember, I understand precisely why you think the way you do, because I used to think on this subject precisely as you think now. But I’ve got both your perspective and also another perspective on the issue and if you had my other perspective, you’d conclude the same as I do, I guarantee it. But you’ve already made up your mind without bothering to familiarise yourself with even a modicum of the material I’ve flicked your way in the last few weeks, and that’s regrettable. I know you’ve done this because if you start to look at it seriously it will take you months and months to absorb it but you haven’t even attempted that. Perhaps you think your theological study already equips you but I’m afraid it doesn’t, because we’re up against supernatural planning of vastly superior intelligence than any mere human has to offer, and God’s challenge to all of us is note the happenings and compare it to the word and draw the conclusions He’s equipped us to draw. And I’m afraid that you’re failing at the first hurdle, if you don’t even note the happenings.

    Here’s a small test. Read this article and tell me what’s inaccurate in it. Don’t bother giving me your opinion of the site it appears on, who cares – that’s like criticising Stuff because they publish an article you don’t like. If you’re obsessed with the origin, as stephie is, there’s a link to the author at the bottom of it, but who cares what you think of him, either? The test is, read the article, and tell me if the protocols mentioned really do say what he says they say, and if the names and dates and organisations and places he mentions, really did what he says they did. That’s the test. I don’t care BTW if you don’t take the test, it’s your ignorance not mine, that needs improvement.

    For example, the article says:

    Missionary work was targeted. In 1930, John D. Rockefeller, Jr. funded the “Laymen’s Foreign Missions Inquiry,” which recommended missionaries downplay Christian doctrines and ally with other religions in doing good works.

    And a simple google search produces this http://library.columbia.edu/content/dam/libraryweb/locations/burke/fa/mrl/ldpd_4492660.pdf

    Which can then be read to verify the assertion in the article, the paras on pages 3-4 being most interesting which I can’t copy as the pdf is protected, but you’ll see what they say.

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  144. Reid (16,491 comments) says:

    And here’s the Ashkhenazis in action:

    http://presstv.com/detail/2014/04/06/357417/bbc-ignores-killings-of-palestinian-kids/

    Over 1,400 Palestinian children have been killed as a result of Israeli military and settler presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory since 2000.

    What do you think the BBC would have been saying if “over 1400 Israeli children have been killed as a result of Palestinian Hamas presence since 2000,” Shawn?

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  145. Left Right and Centre (2,983 comments) says:

    John Key:

    Who gives a fuck about whatever stage performance he gives on Chipmonk Live….

    How have National performed since last election ? How have they performed over their two terms of power ?

    Don’t worry about his fucking BBQ skills – you’re not voting for the best grilled steak and eggs ya useless retard noddys !! :)

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  146. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Left and Loser: The rhetoric of yet another Labour/Green leeching loser! Your language, and your illiteracy, highlight the rubbish that support these disgusting oxygen wasters; obviously another example of unionised teachers’ low grade education.

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  147. Left Right and Centre (2,983 comments) says:

    igm – swearing makes me horny.

    And I vote National ya dumbfuck sadarsed cuntface. :)

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