General Debate 9 April 2014

April 9th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Colville (2,172 comments) says:

    John Key give Cun*liffe a bit of free advice.

    Key said that he would not be at the “vast, overwhelming” number of events on the royal visit schedule and did not believe he was milking the event.

    “I don’t actually think anyone’s going to vote National, Labour or any other political party because we’re seen standing next to the royals when they’re in New Zealand,” Key said.

    “They vote on the economy, law and order, health and education. As soon as David Cunliffe starts talking about that and not this sort of rubbish, he might do a little bit better.”

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  2. jp_1983 (200 comments) says:

    As for this no Royal Family coming to New Zealand in an election year ‘protocol’

    When was the last time HM Queen Elizabeth II came to New Zealand?
    22–27 February 2002…

    When was the election in NZ that year 27 July 2002 ..
    Difference of 150 days from the end of visit to election day

    Fast Forward to this year
    Visit by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge 7 – 16 April, 2014
    Difference of 159 days from end of visit to election day.

    So they opposition have nothing to complain about do they..
    I certainly don’t recall the then leader of the opposition complaining to anyone that would listen that he is not getting his ‘fair share’ of visiting rights back in 2002 when the Queen came to visit.

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  3. Paulus (2,558 comments) says:

    My name is Boo Hoo Cunliffe.
    I am stamping my feet and shouting because that man, whom I am going to replace in September, because my friends Matt and Clint tell me so, is seeing Prince William 6 times, and I am only seeing him 4 times.
    That is not fair as I am the royal replacement, and nobody loves me, not even my friends.
    Am I being a real arsehole ?
    YES

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  4. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    There are four of us in my office and I am the odd one out being in my thirties with the other 3 being over 65′s. As you can imagine there is often a bit of friendly inter-generational banter; mostly at my expense though I do hold my own. I thought I did quite well with this one “I’m not saying you are old but what were you doing the day the wheel was invented” had the fogies in stitches! :-)

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  5. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    The TEU, another foul and disgusting branch of Labour, has been poisoning the students at Wanganui UCOL with their doctrine, presented by some goon O’Halloran. These education lefties are the pits, and their respective unions must be deregistered.

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  6. Left Right and Centre (2,876 comments) says:

    Shane Jones says selling lotto tickets at supermarket checkouts will increase their sales….

    I wonder if he thinks polling booths at checkouts on election day could increase comrade party votes ?

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  7. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    LRC KFC and mcD voting.
    :lol:

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  8. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    I thought Cunliffe is supposed to be intelligent? The guy is a stark raving idiot! Proof that education does not always lead to intelligence! No one gives a shit about how many times Key is with the royals.

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  9. Colville (2,172 comments) says:

    b1gdaddy
    I think Cun*liffe is brainy the way a lot of academics are, good at driling down on single issue things but not being able to see the wood for the trees.
    Certianly he is unable to function is a normal social network. He has no friends.

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  10. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    I thought Cunliffe is supposed to be intelligent?

    It’s not about IQ it’s about empathy. Empathy comes from humility. Most politicians aren’t humble but most are good at projecting that quality and to the degree they do they are more or less successful. Parata and Cunliffe are both on about the same level regarding this “skill” and both are publicly rated accordingly.

    For Cunliffe to change means re-engineering every fibre of his being. The big tell for me in this was when in his very first job one of his ex-Treasury colleagues told us he used to spend most of his time not with his peers but greasing up to those managers who might be of use to him later on. We all know the type. But the point is this sense of superiority is engrained in his DNA to the extent it forms the bulk of his personal armour against the world which is something that we all need to wear but we all use different designs. Some of us use our intellect, some of us use our sense of humanity, some of us use a sense that we’re just better than most other people in performing whatever task or skill it is. It’s generally a combination of things but with Cunliffe and Parata, their armour has become skewed into the bulk forming out of the latter perception and changing that, as I say, means becoming naked before the world, so it won’t happen, especially because in politics you need it more than just about any other profession.

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  11. flipper (3,832 comments) says:

    Cun*life…

    By definition an O E I – over-educated idiot

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  12. niggly (813 comments) says:

    Notice how Labour didn’t get any negative press earlier in the week when Cunliffe just STFU? But as soon as he opened his mouth …

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  13. kowtow (7,925 comments) says:

    Cunners came across as a big cry baby moaning about the Royal Tour and essentially trying to politicise it.
    Would have worked much better if he’d a just said ,Wow how nice for us all,let’s get in behind it.

    Simply more proof that socialism really is the philosophy of failure,a creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy……

    Speaking of which ,food rationing in another socialist nirvana,Venezuela.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/video/americas/2014/04/venezuela-rationing-food-combat-shortages-201448115655369925.html

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  14. minus (159 comments) says:

    The Mad Butcher says his sales drop something like 10% the week of big Lotto jackpots, and 15% on the day of the actual draw.
    That switch from food to tickets must occur within the supermarket too, so a comparison of the profit margin on those Lotto products and the average profit from groceries would likely be revealing.

    How much does Countdown profit from selling an unloaded, displayed, kept fresh, several-times-handled cabbage compared to a push-of-a-couple-keys lottery ticket?

    Shane Jones apparently has not worked out where the point of control is: the profit margin the Lottery Commission allows.
    _______

    And Cunliffe complains about his exposure with the Royals
    So ONE for example screens extra footage of John Key having a marvelous time with William sorting a barbeque, and the Prime Minister playing golf with Obama thrown in too – footage we would not have been reminded of without Cunliffe’s complaint.

    To be involved with the Royals 4 times compared to Key’s 6 times is rather high compared to Cunliffe’s popularity rating of 9% to John Key’s 50%, but then, by spurring ONE to rescreen old footage ,Cunliffe has raised John’s 6 appearances to 7.
    Karma.

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  15. redqueen (519 comments) says:

    Yet more socialist drivel, being masked by ‘academic’ considerations:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11234614

    ‘Inequality’, in this context, apparently means that we should be ‘more equal’, and is further betrayed by ‘the 1 per cent’. ‘Since the 1970s’ we’ve apparently learnt that socialism makes a big difference in how people feel about emigration, as if we’re more equal, we don’t want to leave… Imperfect information has always been an issue in emigration and people often see where they’re going as a ‘land of plenty’, because the grass is always greener… But the politics of this are reasonably simple: people who really don’t like something, and can move, tend to move (myself include, albeit inbound to New Zealand). Saying it’s down to ‘inequality’ is nonsense, there are other motivational factors beyond relatively monetary status or even more nebulous ‘social equality’. What if some things just drive you nuts, you want a ‘better lifestyle’, or you simply would like to live somewhere ‘different’? No, it’s all about ‘inequality’…communist crap…

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  16. Ross12 (1,264 comments) says:

    This move of “Clint” from the Greens to Labour. Is it just a simple move for money , perhaps persuaded by Matt M or is it a cunning ploy by the Greens ? Perhaps the Greens think that Labour is floundering and they ( the Greens) have no show without Labour so they send over “the Man” to help Labour gets its act together. If it is the latter, then even though I’m not a Greens supporter ( if they disappeared I’d be happy) then I have to say it could be a smart move. This all assumes Clint is a good operator.

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  17. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    There’s a new movie out promoting geocentrism – the Earth is really at the centre of the universe. Seriously:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/the_principle_a_documentary_about_geocentrism.html
    Even Ugly Truth and Reid might struggle to go along with this one.

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  18. Ross12 (1,264 comments) says:

    Going by this article the Government plans for excellent teachers must be OK. The NZEI cannot say much , even though they use a lot of words, and have to resort to the “not enough consultation BS” to justify their stance.

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/22486987/union-cynical-about-expert-teacher-plan/

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  19. dime (9,662 comments) says:

    This is probably a weird topic but what the hell :P

    Ive just been reading about the google stock split. These dudes are freaking dodgy:

    “four individuals control 62.7% of the total voting power of Google, while holding only 20% of the total outstanding shares of the company.

    Google shareholder meetings are no more than a formality. Shareholders can voice objections or make proposals, but their voices are basically dust in the wind. The two founding shareholders, Larry Page and Sergey Brin alone, control 28.1% and 27.6% respectively, or 55.7% of the voting power.”

    How is that legal?!

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  20. Ryan Sproull (7,059 comments) says:

    There’s a new movie out promoting geocentrism – the Earth is really at the centre of the universe. Seriously:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/the_principle_a_documentary_about_geocentrism.html
    Even Ugly Truth and Reid might struggle to go along with this one.

    Yes, apparently Star Trek fans (Trekkies? Trekkers?) are mortified that the actress who played the captain on ST: Voyager is the narrator of the film. Hilarious.

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  21. Manolo (13,516 comments) says:

    Courtesy of Lindsay Mitchell:
    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/half-of-two-is-less-than-one.html
    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/schools-news/298201/half-two-less-one-when-it-comes-families

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  22. dirty harry (444 comments) says:

    umm..maybe its because they commit the bulk of the crime in NZ..duh

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8826754/un-wants-review-of-maori-in-justice-system

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  23. KiwiGreg (3,212 comments) says:

    @dime there are actually quite a number of dual voting stocks in the US; mostly techy. If you dont 100% trust the founders don’t buy the stock.

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  24. KiwiGreg (3,212 comments) says:

    Lotto is a state-owned monopoly which targets (and effectively taxes) beneficiaries and the working poor. On the distribution side it is set up to make charities dependent on government-controlled handouts as a way of deterring private charity. It’s a complete rort and should have been privatised.

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  25. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Ryan
    Apparently that actor has now denounced the ‘documentary’.

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  26. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ..PROPHECY ALERT: Dead Banker # 27 Shot Dead Liechtenstein

    Dutch bankers, and JP Morgan bankers, Bitcoin folks, what do these bankers have in common?..interesting.

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  27. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    SHOCK: Are Death Squads KILLING Prominent Bankers

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  28. dime (9,662 comments) says:

    kiwigreg – don’t ya reckon its dodgy?

    Individuals can choose not to buy the stock, but what about people in kiwisaver? people with 401k’s etc

    I love the stock market but some of it is just plain dodgy

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  29. Pete George (23,299 comments) says:

    David Parker accused Bill English of telling a lie in parliament yesterday, and English failed to substantiate his claim.

    Is Labour advocating strict income testing for national superannuation? No sign of it.

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  30. dime (9,662 comments) says:

    dirty harry – do you think these greens believe the shit they come out with? or are they really that stupid?

    talk to any front line cop with a few years experience and ask which group of people commit the most crime.. they will say men haha but which racial group?

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  31. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    John Kerry’s “legitimate” Government debating in the Rada yesterday. The USA’s biggest foreign policy screw up since the Gulf on Tonkin incident.

    Gospodi Pomilui

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  32. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    The story to go along with Andrei’s video:

    A fistfight broke out in Ukraine’s parliament on Tuesday as tempers rose between opposing factions provoked by the events in the east of the country, where separatist activists seized a number of government buildings amid large pro-Russian demonstrations.

    Vitali Klitschko, leader of the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform party, told lawmakers that Ukraine was facing a “real war” as a result of the events in Kharkiv and Donetsk.

    Shortly after he spoke, however, Petro Symonenko, the head of the Communist party, told lawmakers that their own actions in bringing down the government of President Viktor Yanukovych had set the precedent for what was now occuring.

    Angered radical nationalist lawmakers rushed the podium where Symonenko was speaking, resulting in a brawl involving several people.

    This is certainly not the first fight in the parliament. A brawl broke out in February after opposition MPs demanded a snap presidential election.

    link

    Tensions are running high in Ukraine, with Russia sending violent protestors into other cities in preparation for more takeovers, such as what has just occurred in Crimea.

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  33. KiwiGreg (3,212 comments) says:

    @dime I don’t like it, but there is much about the governance structure of US companies not to like (poison pills, staggered boards etc). I dont do syndicated or group investing so I make my own call on it (and I’ve sold my Google shares…) but in relation to kiwisaver and the like you are at the mercy of your fund manager for lots of decisions and presumably any one stock will only be a small proportion of the portfolio.

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  34. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Russia’s not doing this Lucia.

    The current Prime Minister of Ukraine got less than seven percent of the votes in the last election. He is signing away Ukraine’s sovereignty to Western Interests as we speak

    The party that won the most votes is not present in the Rada at all kept out by armed thugs.

    The regions where the unrest is occurring voted overwhelmingly for the party that is absent.

    What do you think would happen in New Zealand if our Government was toppled 11 months before a General Election and replaced by a Labour, Green, Mana coalition with Mana holding 7 cabinet positions including the Ministerys of Justice, Police and Defence?

    And that they wanted all official business conducted in Maori?

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  35. Ed Snack (1,794 comments) says:

    Andrei, so Russians aren’t involved, can you call me, I have bridge for sale that you might be interested in…

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  36. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Andrei
    What will you have to say after new elections legitimise the Ukrainian revolution.

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  37. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Ed Snack, so Russians Americans aren’t involved, can you call me, I have bridge for sale that you might be interested in…

    FFS – how many civil wars has the USA instigated in the past four years alone?

    This one they’ve kicked off in Russia’s back yard to install a regime that is hostile to Moscow which is about as stupid as you can get

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  38. minus (159 comments) says:

    Pete George – David Parker accused Bill English of telling a lie in parliament yesterday

    Bill English suggested “Labour is now advocating the Australian scheme, which involves strict income testing of national superannuation.”

    Hon David Parker: Is the Minister able to table any document from the Labour Party supporting his last lie?

    English should have then said “No. But when today’s Hansard is printed, I will be able to, as it will contain your earlier comment.”

    That was –
    Hon David Parker: Does he accept that Australia’s successful universal workplace savings scheme, introduced a decade after National axed ours, is why Australia owns its banks and ours, and why Australians have higher wages?

    It was simple self inflicted bullshit on the part of Parker

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  39. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Andre, preaching and spreading the gospel according to RT and their real bosses Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin.
    Nothing has changed since the good old days of the Politburo , Pravda and Izvestia , eh. ?!
    Civil wars the US has instigated in the last four years,?
    Which ones precisely.?

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  40. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    What do you think would happen in New Zealand if our Government was toppled 11 months before a General Election and replaced by a Labour, Green, Mana coalition with Mana holding 7 cabinet positions including the Ministerys of Justice, Police and Defence?

    And that they wanted all official business conducted in Maori?

    Well, if our Government had been ruled from Moscow and overseen the disappearance of billions of dollars, I probably wouldn’t have a problem with them being toppled by the people, and an interim Government wanting to conduct all official business in Maori. Would make it harder to infiltrate, as Maori is not a widely spoken language. Especially since, if we’re comparing to Ukraine, a general election is only a month away.

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  41. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Nice shot, Lucia

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  42. Pete George (23,299 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe tweeted:

    @DavidCunliffeMP

    Welfare fraud, $23 million = National obsession. Tax dodging, $6 BILLION = National doing nothing.

    Chester Borrows responded:

    @ChesterBorrows

    @DavidCunliffeMP Welfare fraud budget flat after 40% up under Lab, tax fraud budget up 40% under Nats. Actions speak louder than words mate.

    Is National doing nothing about tax dodging? That’s incorrect, they’re increasing funding for recovering tax.

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  43. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Dawkins :twisted: :lol:
    very funny

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  44. kowtow (7,925 comments) says:

    if Dorkin had a Mo picture at one of his hate fests displayed like he displays Christ,then I just might have a wee bit more time for the lying anti western c#nt.

    Go ahead make my day.

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  45. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Gold these days attracts Conspiracy Theorists like flies to a cow pat. It’s a kind of fetish. There is a certain magical thinking about Gold’s alleged intrinsic value that has gone on through the ages and explains the popularity of of the return to the gold standard has a cure all to all our economic ills.It ignores basic facts like there simply would be not enough gold to go around all the smaller nations like N Z , let alone the big ones like the US, China and Russia.
    Additionally there is the illusory idea that “paper money” is not backed by anything.But it is and that consists the of a nations GDP that includes its assets like land and water in NZ and the wealth derived therefrom- Agriculture, Horticulture , Viticulture , Fishing, Timber, Oil production etc, etc. Also we need to remind ourselves that WW2 , the Manhattan, project , The Federal Highway system, Amtrak etc, etc were all paid for out of paper money .
    Welcome to the world of the lunacy behind the Gold Standard ,

    http://theaporetic.com/?p=914,

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  46. Ed Snack (1,794 comments) says:

    Andrei, seriously, it’s all Obama and John Kerry, two idiots who in foreign policy terms couldn’t find their own asses using both hands, are this clever and cunning ? @#!?*&! really ?

    Or maybe not so clever because if they did it’s all unravelling, but really ?

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  47. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Ed snack, do you favour a US born invasion D Day style on the breaches of Crimea.??
    What specifically do you propose to resolve the Ukraine and Crimea crisis ,?

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  48. Manolo (13,516 comments) says:

    Another uncouth native: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8827170/mooning-activist-plans-royal-protest

    A Maori activist who mooned Prince Charles and Princess Diana is planning another public display for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge’s visit – but this time he’ll be keeping his clothes on.

    Te Ringa Mangu Mihaka, known as Dun Mihaka, showed his rear end to the royals during their 1983 tour of New Zealand to highlight the cultural domination of Maori.

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  49. Albert_Ross (270 comments) says:

    Actually I thought that was a bit of a reach by English when he said that the Labour Party’s policy on superannuation involved means testing. Labour haven’t said that; they have said that they will make private retirement saving compulsory. Now while it is true that you can’t have means tested pensions without compulsory private saving, you probably can (in theory) have compulsory private saving without means testing public pensions. In practice it’s pointless, voteless and probably unsustainable, which is why no country in the world does it, but Labour may well not have thought things through enough to realise that.

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  50. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    I have asked for credible evidence from Andrei that the US toppled Putin’s glove puppet but none has ever been forthcoming. The protests against the then gov may well have come to nothing except for the fact that Putin’s puppet ordered the shooting of protesters. That was NOT the US, it was Putin’s puppet, and THAT was the reason the gov was toppled.

    But that simple fact is inconvenient to Putin’s useful idiots in the West, so they carefully ignore it and replace the truth with a laughable conspiracy theory.

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  51. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Which ones precisely?

    Libya, Egypt, Syria, Ukraine, not counting one or two in Africa.

    Those who hallucinate the US doesn’t do this need to educate themselves. The CIA is not an intelligence agency it’s a regime change agency. Think about it. It was originated from the OSS whose mission was to ‘set Europe ablaze.’ With all the expertise from the war, WTF do you think they’d start doing?

    Everyone but everyone knows they overthrew Mossadeq to install the Shah in 1953. I mean if you don’t know that then you know nothing whatsoever about anything and you need to take up knitting or something.

    This is a useful book which documents the coups d’etat the CIA has done since Iran. 77 of them. Written by a man from the State Dept.

    http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres8/BLUMkillinghope.pdf

    http://williamblum.org/

    Remember all the Eastern Europe colour revolutions in the 1990′s? The Orange revolution, the Rose revolution, etc. They were all engineered to blueprint by Brzezhinsky. Bezrzhinsky was Obama’s senior foreign policy advisor during his last campaign. Then lo, all of a sudden we get Libya, we get Syria and now we get Ukraine.

    2+2=what?

    Yes, it is that simple. But you need to educate yourself, otherwise you might as well take up knitting.

    I have asked for credible evidence from Andrei that the US toppled Putin’s glove puppet but none has ever been forthcoming.

    What would you like Shawn? An announcement on CNN? Perhaps a special Fox investigation. Or maybe a speech to congress from Kerry, admitting it and saying he was very very sorry? What sort of evidence would you regard as credible, and given your naivity on these matters, why would anyone bother to give you anything when you can find the same things anyone else can, if you have a mind for truth rather than Western MSM delusions?

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  52. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    I have asked for credible evidence from Andrei that the US toppled Putin’s glove puppet but none has ever been forthcoming.

    Yes it has and the piece of evil cannot be denied – a smoking gun if there ever was one

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  53. dirty harry (444 comments) says:

    Yes he is a pig Manolo..I might moon the ‘ maori king’ ( snigger ) next time he drives by in his truck

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  54. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Ried, your totally wrong in respect of Libya Egypt , Syria and the Ukraine.Lets begin with Libya. for starters A no fly zone and air strikes against Libya was sanctioned by the UN Security Council Resolution 1973 which you will carefully note Russia did not veto. ( WHY.? ). it was an entirely avoidable conflict if Gadaffi had chosen to negotiate with his ” cockroaches ” ( protestors ) and attack and shoot them instead..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973

    and top ten myths about eh Arab Spring,

    http://www.juancole.com/2011/12/top-ten-myths-about-the-arab-spring-of-2011.html

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  55. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Putin Visits Kiev

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  56. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    That’s not a smoking gun Andrie. It’s a discussion on what might happen IF the Ukraine gov was changed. No evidence of US involvement in the actual toppling at all.

    Try again.

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  57. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    John McCain Visits Kiev – why is a Western politician addressing an anti-government mob?

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  58. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “John McCain Visits Kiev – why is a Western politician addressing an anti-government mob?”

    Because he believes in freedom. Supporting the protesters does not prove the US actually did the toppling.

    Try again.

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  59. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Good one Shawn and there is nothing more than stirring up a good pro Putin conspiracy theory sponsored especially by the Czar’s RT or Novosti RIA . Believed by the gullible like Reid and Andrei etc.

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  60. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Check photo 2 in this link and you’ll see the US pick for Ukraine President with the US Ambassador and the EU delegate head.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/in-pictures-ukrainian-factions-regroup-after-yanukovych-departure/article17057965/

    And despite what the photo caption says here she is announcing her candidacy.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0

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  61. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Shawn did you see the Bandera flag in the crowd? Mostly the images shown in the west sanitize those sort of images out of what they show even though most Westerners would not realize the significance of it but to me you might just as as well display the swastika.

    The fact that Lucyna and myself who just about agree on everything have opposed views on this comes from very ancient history that has been stirred up by the wicked to cause disorder, upset and chaos.

    I have always tried to keep the past the past and move forward but people with agendas will use anything they have to create unhappiness and bloodshed to advance their agendas and bringing up things from the past into the present is not that uncommon, These things are dangerous and doing so SATANIC.

    Make no mistake this is actually a war between the secular west and the Christian/ Muslim East

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  62. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Reid ,let me quote this wisdom form another MB,

    ” A conspiracy that provides the conspirators with no benefit and only provides conspiracy theorists with the pleasure of detecting a conspiracy is no conspiracy at all. ”

    Sums it up for you and Andrei really.

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  63. Ed Snack (1,794 comments) says:

    Stephieboy, no, why, do you ?

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  64. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    hat’s not a smoking gun Andrie. It’s a discussion on what might happen IF the Ukraine gov was changed

    No its not – it is them sabotaging and peace deal which would have created a coalition Government to form a caretaker role until early elections could held where the issues could be discussed by the people of Ukraine and decided at the ballot box

    And since Putin’s deal was far more attractive to most Ukrainians than the Wests IMF deal it was likely that Putins deal would be chosen by the people of Ukraine – which is why the three peace deals proposed were sabotaged and the Government overthrown

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  65. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Make no mistake this is actually a war between the secular west and the Christian/ Muslim East”

    No. If there is a war at all it is between freedom and authoritarianism. Using religion, especially Christianity, as an excuse for authoritarian government is an abuse of the Gospel. Jesus tells us not to lord it over others.

    And for “Christians” to ally themselves with Islamic fascists is about as unChristian as it gets.

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  66. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    The latest geopolitical adventure by the US in Ukraine is failing for the same reason they failed in Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Russia, Iran and elsewhere, namely because the isolated Washington elites living in the fantasy world they apparently live in, know absolutely nothing about the people in the countries they want to takeover.

    As neo conservative icon Paul Wolfowitz told US General Wesley Clark soon after 9-11 the Pentagon and NATO are in the business of destroying countries, something they have proven they can do very well since Yugoslavia 15 years ago. Yes the US has proven they can destabilize countries, invade, occupy and bomb into oblivion on the flimsiest of false pretexts and carry out regime change almost at will, but what the idiots in Washington can not do is make their changes stick, win the hearts of the people, establish real lasting hegemony or truly profit in the long term from their meddling. This is not to mention maintaining or even pretending to stand on any moral high ground or actually bringing about a regime change that produces a peaceful, productive, thriving and healthy society. Although of course causing regime change is illegal but international [law] has never stopped the United States of “exceptional” America…

    …Washington has already entered the bear’s den and the hibernating bear is beginning to wake up, now by introducing its “secret” army into the East the fool that is Washington has raised its hand to strike the bear in the face. Will they foolishly do so or will the junta puppets now strike out at the Right Sector? Yarosh says he has “work” in the south east of Ukraine and if recent history is any indication the answer is, yes. Would you strike an angry wakening bear in the face deep inside its own den? Of course you wouldn’t. Which is why the US geopolitical “chess” players need to be attired in white jackets with long sleeves that tie in the back and placed in nice white little cells with generous padding on the walls.

    Every move they make in Ukraine is known, documented, watched and has been exposed. The no covert takeover of Ukraine by the CIA is no longer covert. They have been exposed and the lights are shining in all of their dark corners, yet they continue irrationally on, truly a sign of the lights being on in Washington, but nobody being home.

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  67. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Still no evidence of a CIA takeover in Ukraine though, is there?

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  68. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,820 comments) says:

    Here’s some evidence.

    Meet the Americans Who Put Together the Coup in Kiev

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  69. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    And yet, Reid, the U.S. Won’t Share Invasion Intel With Ukraine and the pro-Russian crowds wanna be back in the USSR.

    Did you know you’d linked to Voice Of Russia?

    Voice of Russia is th Russian government’s international radio broadcasting service. Its predecessor Radio Moscow was the official international broadcasting station of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

    Source: Wikipedia

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  70. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    On the SE Ukraine mentioned in my 1.18, the US has put in Greystone mercs.

    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-military-mercenaries-buildup-013/

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  71. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,820 comments) says:

    The other useful leaked tape:

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  72. David Garrett (6,731 comments) says:

    I get so tired of the hoary old chestnut that there is some sort of discrimination going on when Maori are arrested and later found guilty of crime…Someone else has pointed out the obvious: Maori are overrepresented in prison because they commit crime to a disproportionately greater degree than their representation in the population…It really is just as simple and obvious as that…

    People who whine about this simple reality are on much more solid ground when they point out that white collar criminals frequently dont go to jail, notwithstanding that their crimes are often devastating for their victims… I myself believe there should be no such thing as special prisons for white collar criminals…arguably they are actually WORSE than the stoned dickhead who sticks up a dairy or liquor store…Often such people have had excellent educations and every advantage in life…To then go and rip off old ladies is that much more reprehensible…white collar crims should go to jail along with the rest, and take their chances in the shower with the mobsters…

    Rod Petrecivic should be in Pare not some prison farm in the central North Island…

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  73. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    If there is a war at all it is between freedom and authoritarianism.

    LOL Shawn – The people in the Peoples Republic of California went to the ballot box to define mariiage as an institution between one man and one woman – they did this twice since the first time they did it there overwhelming support for this proposition was thrown out using sophistry to make their voices “invalid”.

    So they did it again, received an even stronger mandate – only to have it overthrown by a single, unelected active homosexual judge again using sophistry to justify his decision.

    And those who actively supported this popularly voted for proposition by supporting it financially were punished by losing their livihoods.

    Freedom and democracy my arse – meaningless slogans.

    What you don’t grasp is that cities like Kharkov (now pcified to Kharkiv) were Russian cities since their foundation, the modern Ukraine is an accident lines drawn on a map that bear little relation to language, culture or History – all things the neo con marxists seek to wipe away in their desire to build a global empire based upon Western Hegemony.

    But their dream is in tatters, the West is bankrupt while the East is rising – neither Russia or China is in debt while the Western Democracies have major debt, significantly held by China and Russia.

    Further more they are dependent on Russia and China to maintain the lifestyles of their people and their resources to keep their industries going.

    This is why leaving Ukraine to work out its issues was the only sensible thing to do but they went in boots and all. It is the end of Ukraine as a Nation, it will go the way of Yugoslavia, maybe more bloody and possibly lead to WW3 as the West seeks to extract itself from the mess it has created

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  74. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    ‘modern Ukraine is an accident’
    And so should be disposed of according to Putin’s whims?

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  75. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “This is why leaving Ukraine to work out its issues was the only sensible thing to do but they went in boots and all.”

    The only “boots” that went in were Russian. The only military intervention in the Ukraine has been by Russia. The only country that could not leave the Ukraine to work out it’s issues was Russia.

    Your living in fantasy world based on Kremlin propaganda.

    No, freedom and democracy are not always the same thing. But Putin’s authoritarian and criminally corrupt regime have nothing to do with real Christianity and certainly nothing to do with real freedom.

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  76. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Russia under Putin has been supporting Ukraine financially for years, in part to keep it stable and in part because of a shared history of over 1250 years.

    Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are three sisters, far closer than New Zealand is to Australia.

    You know nothing Shawn – do you speak Russian? Do you actually speak any language other than English?

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  77. Psycho Milt (2,365 comments) says:

    Mostly the images shown in the west sanitize those sort of images out of what they show even though most Westerners would not realize the significance of it but to me you might just as as well display the swastika.

    I’ve noticed the odd CCCP flag among the people cheerleading Putin on this – likewise, you might just as well display the swastika. And likewise, it’s irrelevant.

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  78. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Reid, like Andre you seem to have a fetish and love affair with State sponsored controlled propaganda like RT and Voice of Russia.

    Why is that precisely.?
    Do you both like been told what to think.?

    OECD, you do not present evidence but utter nonsense like this from the Readers supported Network (RSN),

    http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/21-21/21588-911-was-a-mossad-operation

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  79. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    The only country that could not leave the Ukraine to work out it’s issues was Russia. Your living in fantasy world based on Kremlin propaganda.

    Says the useful idiot. Hey Shawn, go read OECD’s 1.27 and take it apart, if you can. Go on. We’re waiting.

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  80. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    PUTIN’S WAR AGAINST FREEDOM OF INFORMATION.

    http://www.eurasianet.org/node/68148

    “Putin’s media-control campaign went into overdrive just weeks after the start of the Euromaidan protests in Kyiv, kicking off with a December announcement about the reorganization of the state-run RIA news agency, a move plainly designed to bring it under tighter Kremlin control. Putin also launched a purge of independent thinkers among media professionals. Among the latest victim is an editor at Lenta.ru, one of Russia’s leading news websites, let go for ostensibly for posting an interview with a prominent Ukrainian ultranationalist. Back in February, the CEO of Ekho Moskvy, a radio outlet that often views events with a critical eye, got the sack and was replaced by a Kremlin crony.

    Not only are individual journalists being purged, the Kremlin is trying to disappear entire news sources. Early in the year, the Kremlin squelched the independent cable news channel Dozhd (Rain). Then, on March 13, state media regulators summarily blocked a bevy of independent and opposition-oriented websites. One of those blocked sites, Ekho Moskvy, was later unblocked after removing a blog written by Alexandr Navalny, the most popular and vocal critic of Putin in Russia.

    The same sort of thing is going on in academia and the non-profit sector in Russia: those capable of independent thinking are being systematically bullied into co-opting their beliefs, or at the very least, remaining silent. Putin’s chief instrument of coercion over civil society activists is legislation that makes it difficult for NGOs to accept grants from foreign sources. The Kremlin is threatening to make life similarly difficult for academics who use foreign grant money to conduct research.

    The Kremlin’s efforts are even extending into social media: the founder of VKontakte, Russia’s version of Facebook, was pressed not too long ago to sell his stake in the company to a Putin pal. It’s also worth mentioning that the State Duma, Putin’s rubber stamp legislature, has reportedly mulled a bill that would make the publication of anything deemed “anti-Russian” tantamount to treason, leaving those responsible vulnerable to lengthy prison sentences. The bill has been shelved, but it could be brought out of mothballs at any time.

    The way things are going, it won’t be long before the Kremlin will have achieved critical mass in the domestic information sphere; it may soon be even harder for Russians outside of Moscow and Petersburg to gain access to dissenting voices than it was back in the samizdat era.”

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  81. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Go on. We’re waiting.”

    I don’t take orders from Jew hating Neo-Nazi’s.

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  82. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    I don’t take orders from Jew hating Neo-Nazi’s.

    But I’m against the neo-Nazis in Ukraine Shawn whereas you of course are strongly in favour of them. Fact.

    Isn’t it.

    And I’ve explained, both Jesus and I are against those who say they are Jews but who aren’t. Whereas you’re against both Jesus and myself on this, aren’t you. Fact.

    Again.

    You’re not doing very well Shawn. To make up for it, why don’t you go and attempt to take OECD’s article apart. After all, YOU were demanding evidence, OECD gave it to you. Yet, you’re completely silent when its provided. How peculiar. One would need to conclude you’ve got no answer if your silence continues. After you’ve done that, perhaps you’d like to explain why you like neo-Nazis so much you support them when they take over a democratically elected govt. That sounds very suspicious Shawn. You don’t have a signed “investment” copy of Mein Kampf as well, do you?

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  83. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    PM – you are an intelligent man, whom I respect.

    Question: Do you think that everybody in foreign lands aspires to American lifestyles and values?

    And do you believe that if Ukraine is integrated into the EU that this will happen? Not that Ukraine could possibly be integrated into the EU in any time frame that anyone currently living will be alive to see.

    Look at Greece, Cyprus and Romania has the EU been a blessing for them or a curse?

    What do you make of this – Athletes from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus being blessed before competing in the Sochi Olympics. This is fraternal PM and natural as breathing to those who are participating. Watch the whole thing it is not propaganda and predates this crisis though not the destabilization of Ukraine

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  84. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Reid
    A couple of questions.
    Why is Putin only opposed to neo-Nazis in Ukraine and not elsewhere?
    Who are these people ‘who say they are Jews but who aren’t?

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  85. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    WHERE DOES REID’S JEW HATRED LEAD?

    Reid hides behind whackjob conspiracy theories but make no mistake, he is peddling the same filth that led to this.

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  86. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Reid
    your 8:52

    Psychopaths:

    Psychopaths present a certain lack of empathy, or what is called a limited range of shallow emotions.

    Psychopaths lack emotional capacity to feel Remorse.

    Psychopaths either have very limited empathy or no empathy, the lack of emotion does not have exceptions and extend to friends and family members.

    Loyalty is too superficial in psychopaths to qualify as real loyalty because it will always be based in self-serving motives. Deep commitment to an ideology will never precede selfishness.

    Psychopaths have an outward directed attention and have an adept ability to observe and read social behavior, mannerism, and the psychological dynamics in people around them.

    Psychopaths adopt mannerisms that we observe in others, and we switch with ease between an arsenal of styles according to social circumstances.

    Psychopaths can have an astonishing ability to focus and will often develop limited expertise in several fields of knowledge, but interest tends to be short lived, and the expertise suffers from lack of precision and detail.
    Psychopaths often have numerous interests which develop over night and disappear as quickly.

    Psychopaths typically excel with things to do with inter-personal mechanics and communication.

    Psychopaths are very typically unusually adept liars and do not have an emotional attachment to any principle of truth or justice.

    Psychopaths thrive with change, excitement and “living on the edge” or “living in the fast lane”.

    Psychopaths have very low or absent Anxiety, but do sometimes struggle with Anger.

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  87. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I can’t tell if you are describing David Cunliffe or Reid, Griffith.

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  88. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    WHERE DOES REID’S JEW HATRED LEAD?

    Reid hides behind whackjob conspiracy theories but make no mistake, he is peddling the same filth that led to this.

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  89. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Andre , you are again been highly misleading in reference to the debt crises faced by Greece , Cyprus etc. You cannot run a modern economy where e.g the state pays you a pension based on 90% of your net earnings as was the cash with Greece.Nor can you afford to run economy with an overinflated government Civil service on over inflated perks and conditions.
    Even Putin might understand that but posting R T disinformation and propaganda is a lot easier for your kind of lame brain thinking.

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  90. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Why is Putin only opposed to neo-Nazis in Ukraine and not elsewhere?

    How do you know he isn’t?

    Who are these people ‘who say they are Jews but who aren’t?

    I told you the other day. I’m not repeating myself, use google.

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  91. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    You really must adore Putin. Why is that? Is he opposed to Jewish power or something?

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  92. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Griff, it occurred but I think David’s more likely got a mild version of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Len’s got the full blown version. The thing about psychopaths is they’re utterly and implacably ruthless and the only NZ politician who fits that description in recent times is Hulun.

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  93. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    Stephieboy – could it be you that has been sucked in by a propaganda barrage?

    Do you think the current Government in Kiev, which is not even in control of the streets of its capital is “legitimate” – the term used by John Kerry to describe it.

    What gives it “legitimacy” bearing in mind how it came to power and that its leader only achieved 6.7% of the popular vote last election?

    Or that the majority of the deputies voted in in the last election are excluded and that to obtain a quorum their replacements have been drafted in from the street?

    And should such a “Government” be reneging on international agreements signed by the Government elected by the people in favour of agreements rejected by that government?

    These are very pertinent questions and go to explain why Ukraine is sliding into civil war

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  94. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Hey, Reid’s diagnosing someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Too. Funny.

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  95. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Reid calls Jews “Satanic Zionist thugs.” He tries to hide his Jew hatred behind a laughable theory that no serious academic anywhere in the world would take seriously.

    But make no mistake, it IS standard brand Nazi Jew hatred.

    When Reid attacks Jews in Hollywood, that’s Jew hatred.

    When Reid claims Jews control the US gov, that’s Jew hatred.

    When Reid claims that most Jews are not real Jews, that’s Jew hatred.

    When Reid demands that Jews accept his whackjob theory about who “real’ Jews are, that’s Jew hatred.

    When Reid attacks the victim’s of the Holocaust, Ashkenazi Jews, as Satanic thugs, that’s Jew hatred. Not to mention just plain sick, and evidence of mental illness.

    I suggest we stop responding to any of his posts or engaging with him in any fashion. Why give him the opportunity to spread the same vile hate that led to the Holocaust?

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  96. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I disagree Shawn. It’s not always obvious that Reid’s posts are a cover for his rampant anti-Semitism. He’s just been a bit more open about it lately. I think it’s important to keep challenging the delusional basis of his beliefs.

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  97. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I don’t think
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    I hope that few polities exhibit full blown psychopathy.

    They do however all lean towards the spectrum for the disorder.

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  98. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    You really must adore Putin.

    Why? If the US was attempting what they’re attempting in Ukraine in say, Taiwan and they were getting beaten in precisely the same way by Xi Jinping, I’d be just as pleased. This is because I fight injustice mm, not because I approve of either of those leaders in any particular way. It’s called principle. You should try it sometime.

    See, the US doesn’t stand for freedom and democracy anymore than Stalin or Mao did. Only profound idiots can’t see that because it’s quite obvious from the way they comport themselves that this is the case.

    Having said that I don’t trust Putin an inch. I said when this started that Putin is NWO and he is, just like the rest of them. However just because he is that doesn’t mean they always agree on everything and this could be one of those times. OTOH it could be a setup with both sides merely acting and if it were, that means we’re in the precursor of what will become a nuclear exchange and WWIII. It could be either one and only time will tell which of those it is.

    Putin hasn’t been cooperating with the NWO for quite some time, over Syria in particular. That factor may lead one to think its more likely an unplanned spontaneous operation which the neocons initiated simply out of hubris. But that assumption goes against the elementary calculations because while Washington insiders might be bastards they’re not stupid and calculating Russia’s moves to date is not rocket science. And if they did calculate them then why have they played it so very badly to date? What do they have up their sleeves? Because its quite obvious Russia isn’t going to let the May elections just pass quietly into the night. Are they.

    And before you get all self-righteous, I repeat the point I’ve made before. Imagine if Russia was doing this to the US in Mexico. What would the US be doing to counter that? Exactly. And you useful idiots would be clapping and cheering like the morons you are, if the US sabotaged the evil Russian plan for Mexico, wouldn’t you. Of course you would. So goose-gander people. Goose-gander.

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  99. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Mike, I get your point, but challenging him will make no difference, his delusional thinking will not respond to reason or evidence. He needs intensive psychotherapy.

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  100. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Did anyone catch Mike Hosking rambling about climate change on 7 Sharp the other day. Here’s a good reaction from Steven Price:
    I was watching Seven Sharp on Tuesday, and caught Mike Hosking’s closing monologue:

    Bad news. I’m afraid the IPCC – the International Panel on Climate Change – has issued its latest report. It’s 2,600 pages long and spans 32 volumes. But I can sum it up for you. Ah, we’re stuffed. The seas are rising, the storms are coming, the locusts are close, we are going to climatic hell in a handcart. That’s of course, if you believe them. Which, as it turns out, I don’t. Twenty years ago they said we had 20 years to turn things around. We haven’t. The Kyoto Protocol was a last-ditch attempt to save us all. No-one adhered to it. The lesson they have not learned is that freaking people out doesn’t get buy-in. I mean if the met service struggles with the accuracy of a five-day forecast, I’m thinking the accuracy of a long-range prediction that takes in 86 years might be a bit dodgy. So my advice: don’t let it ruin your night.

    I was gob-smacked. If you believe them? Is he really suggesting that hundreds of the world’s leading climate scientists have conspired to make this up? Let’s be charitable to Hosking then: he’s merely suggesting that the overwhelming majority of the world’s climate scientists are incompetent.

    What expertise does he have to make that call? None, as far as I can tell. Has he even read their report? It doesn’t look like it. Does he disagree with their evidence or their analysis? He doesn’t challenge any of it. He simply thinks he knows better.

    It’s as if he said: Almost all the world’s scientists say smoking causes lung disease. That’s if you believe them. Which, as it turns out, I don’t. Don’t lose any sleep over it.

    It’s as if he just pooh-poohed the theory of evolution.

    There comes a point during a scientific debate when things aren’t a matter of belief any more. The IPCC presents overwhelming evidence that climate change is happening right now.

    Hosking’s reasoning is risible. He confuses weather with climate. He proffers the failure of Kyoto as evidence that climate change isn’t happening. He accuses the scientists of trying to “freak people out” in order to “get buy-in”.

    Don’t let it ruin your night? This is the overwhelming majority of the world’s climate scientists warning us about what is probably the biggest issue facing the planet.

    Let’s put aside the fact that Hosking’s view is deeply anti-scientific. Let’s even put aside that it’s staggeringly arrogant. He’s allowed to have moronic and galactically egotistical views.

    What I can’t get past is that he and TVNZ would think it appropriate to broadcast a comment so inane on a matter of such importance on a prime-time show that TVNZ touts, however euphemistically, as current events. TVNZ is presenting Hosking as a journalist and a credible commentator.

    However much slack you want to cut Seven Sharp (and in particular, that closing segment of the show) for its edginess and provocativeness, I think this crosses the line into something that no longer even resembles journalism. I think Mike Hosking has just disqualified himself as a credible journalist.

    [I’m especially grumpy about this because I’ve been doing quite a lot of reading about climate change recently. If you are on the fence about this, I suggest you take a look at https://www.skepticalscience.com/ . I’ve become so concerned that I’ve joined the lobby group 350.org]

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  101. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Interesting Shawn that as soon as you were asked to respond to OECD’s post, you start posting vile and false accusations to take the heat off your requirement to respond.

    Sorry, not that easy. Your 12.32:

    I have asked for credible evidence from Andrei that the US toppled Putin’s glove puppet but none has ever been forthcoming. The protests against the then gov may well have come to nothing except for the fact that Putin’s puppet ordered the shooting of protesters. That was NOT the US, it was Putin’s puppet, and THAT was the reason the gov was toppled.

    But that simple fact is inconvenient to Putin’s useful idiots in the West, so they carefully ignore it and replace the truth with a laughable conspiracy theory.

    OECD gave you that @ 1.27.

    So man up, and tell us all what if anything is wrong in that post. And this time, don’t bother dissembling. That’s what a blog is for. Point and counter-point debate. Otherwise, fuck off and don’t bother participating.

    One more thing. Next time you accuse me of “believing” anything you’d better fucking well get it right. I don’t mind at all being held to account for something I said, but I will not be accused of saying something that even at the wildest stretch of imagination is not what I said and cannot even be read into what I said.

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  102. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ” Amazing stories? Amazing stories are, a 75 foot jet-liner punching a hole through thick concrete and leaving a 15 foot hole. Steel columns with molten cuts on the twin towers. A jet-liner crashes into the ground and the plane simple vanishes into the soil. A president tricks a nation into going to war, that caused the deaths of over a 100,000 civilians…..The thing is, even if Obama went against Bush’s plan to bail-out the banks and corporations ”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1×1-qpqyqAI

    A partial quote that says it all without even delving into the context.

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  103. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Complaining aout a problem without offering a solution is called whining

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  104. muggins (3,266 comments) says:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/08/ukraine-russia-plan-divide-country-operation

    So Ukranian MP’s are brawling amongst themselves now. I reckon we could be seeing an East/West split in the not too distant future.

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  105. Fletch (6,142 comments) says:

    mm, the IPCC ARE making it up with the latest summary.
    The latest summary comes from Working Group II, which is supposed to be based on the science of Working Group I. Working Group I’s report came out last September and was hardly convincing – in fact, a lot of the worry and threat of climate change was downgraded.

    The latest Summary has been “sexed up” and is “alarmist” according to one of the scientists, Richard Tol, who worked on it, and then refused to sign his name to it after he saw what they were going to release.

    The summary even contradicts the Working Group I report on which it is supposed to be based.

    For example, the summary claims increasingly extreme weather will cause massive population displacements over the coming century, but the report says the exact opposite: “Current alarmist predictions of massive flows of so-called ‘environmental migrants’ are not supported by past experiences of responses to droughts and extreme weather events, and predictions for future migration flows are tentative at best.”  (Chapter 9, Page 13 of the final report.)

    Even more eye-opening, one of the most widely publicized (and widely ridiculed) sections of the executive summary claims climate change will cause wars in the century to come, but in fact the report itself says “research does not conclude there is a strong positive relationship between warming and armed conflict.”  In fact, extreme measures to combat climate change are cited as an equally likely cause of violent conflict.

    It’s scaremongering, pure and simple, to get us all onside with them again after the spectacularly failed predictions.

    http://www.humanevents.com/2014/04/07/the-great-climate-change-walkback/

    Scientist James Lovelock actually said (after the release of the report), that nobody actually knows what’s happening.

    Environmentalist and scientist James Lovelock has turned heads for saying that he doesn’t think “anybody really knows what’s happening” with the climate.

    Lovelock told BBC Newsnight that he didn’t think that climate scientists or skeptics really know what was going on with global warming. He also slammed United Nations’ scientists and officials for being subject to “vested interests” which could hurt their scientific predictions.

    “Take this climate matter everybody is thinking about,” Lovelock said. “They all talk, they pass laws, they do things, as if they knew what was happening. I don’t think anybody really knows what’s happening. They just guess. And a whole group of them meet together and encourage each other’s guesses.”

    “I’m an independent scientist. I’m not funded by some government department or commercial body or anything like that,” Lovelock added. “If I make a mistake, then I can go public with it. And you have to, because it is only by making mistakes that you can move ahead.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/03/famed-environmentalist-says-no-one-knows-whats-happening-with-the-climate/

    It’s all political. Nothing to do with science at all.
    Well, go and “guess” on your own dime. We don’t want to have to pay for it.

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  106. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    US banks criticise debt-limiting rule

    The eight biggest US banks must raise a total of about US$68 billion ($78 billion) in capital by 2018 to comply with a new rule designed to prevent another financial crisis.

    The requirement has prompted industry complaints that international standards are less restrictive and give their global competitors an advantage.

    US regulators on Tuesday (US time) finalised the rule to limit banks’ reliance on debt. Banks will have to fund part of their business through less risky sources such as shareholder equity, rather than by borrowing money.

    “In my view, this final rule may be the most significant step we have taken to reduce the systemic risk posed by these large, complex banking organizations,” said Martin Gruenberg, chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp, which approved the rule on Tuesday. The Federal Reserve was scheduled to vote on it in the afternoon.

    The rule would apply to JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup , Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Bank of New York Mellon and State Street.

    The Financial Services Roundtable, a trade group for large banks, issued a statement blasting the limits that are more stringent than the international Basel III agreement.

    “This rule puts American financial institutions at a clear disadvantage against overseas competitors,” said Tim Pawlenty, the group’s chief executive

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/9921266/US-banks-criticise-debt-limiting-rule

    Finally something is being done about the criminal banking entity you all claim to be a conspiracy theory

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  107. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Make no mistake this is actually a war between the secular west and the Christian/ Muslim East”

    The fact the EU is keeping Turkey out because Muslims would drown Europe is the safe guard so far in this war.

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  108. kowtow (7,925 comments) says:

    Oh dear,what was it all for?

    Installing a civilian ayatollah in Iraq?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10753645/Iraq-ready-to-legalise-childhood-marriage.html

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  109. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “And then we have the Muslim conflagration set off by George H.W. Bush and his hysterical son, George W. Bush, with his minders from the Dark Side. Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan — in all of them, a President Bush, or President Obama, together with his accomplices, has passed their way, sowing annihilation.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/9921256/Crimea-crisis-leading-to-chaos

    Therein lies frightening global conspiracy

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  110. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Visit William Pfaff’s Web site for more on his latest book, The Irony of Manifest Destiny: The Tragedy of America’s Foreign Policy (Walker & Co.)

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  111. cha (3,853 comments) says:

    Fucking peachy.

    .

    “This still means that the little lock icon (HTTPS) we all trusted to keep our passwords, personal emails, and credit cards safe was actually making all that private information accessible to anyone who knew about the exploit,” Tumblr’s security team wrote on their site. “This might be a good day to call in sick and take some time to change your passwords everywhere— especially your high-security services like email, file storage and banking, which may have been compromised by this bug.”

    Mr. Chartier advised users to consider their passwords gone. “Companies need to get new encryption keys and users need to get new passwords immediately,” he said. “And do it quickly.”

    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/flaw-found-in-key-method-for-protecting-data-on-the-internet/

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  112. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    FREEDOM UNDER THREAT IN RUSSIA: The Crackdown Against Freedoms of Expression, Assembly and Association

    This timeline visually represents Vladimir Putin’s repression of freedoms in Russia. See the crackdown on human rights by scrolling through over 150 emblematic events from 1999 to present day. Since Putin’s landslide victory in March of 2012, which fueled protest all over Russia, at least 5,100 protestors and activists have been arrested. Data sourced from Amnesty International’s Urgent Action Network. Join to start receiving human rights alerts from Russia and around the world.

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/russia/

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  113. Psycho Milt (2,365 comments) says:

    Sorry Andrei, bit late getting back to this.

    Question: Do you think that everybody in foreign lands aspires to American lifestyles and values?

    I’d say there aren’t many even in the EU who aspire to American lifestyles and values. Their lifestyles tend to extravagance and their values to religious fervour and conservatism.

    And do you believe that if Ukraine is integrated into the EU that this will happen?

    Not quickly. A few hundred years ago western Europe was as corrupt, superstitious and authoritarian as eastern Europe. These days we (I was born in the UK) tend to feel superior because we’ve made a lot more progress towards freeing ourselves from those evils than eastern Europeans have. However, it took us centuries to do it – as demonstrated in Iraq and Afghanistan, you can’t just take over and make a foreign culture give up corruption, superstition and authoritarianism. But it’s Ukraine’s choice, not ours and certainly not Russia’s.

    Look at Greece, Cyprus and Romania has the EU been a blessing for them or a curse?

    If you spend a few minutes looking at what those countries were like in the 1970s cf now, they’re incomparably better off. Greece was under a fascist military dictatorship, Romania under a worse communist one, and Cyprus a proxy for conflict between Greece and Turkey. They’re still pretty crappy places to live, but that isn’t the EU’s fault.

    What do you make of this – Athletes from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus being blessed before competing in the Sochi Olympics.

    Andrei, I’m an atheist. I get that it’s important to you, but I don’t see the same thing in it. To me, it’s footage of credulous people being duped by charlatans. It makes me feel the same way that seeing hundreds of Muslim men with their arses in the air in a mosque does – not good.

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  114. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Since Putin’s landslide victory in March of 2012, which fueled protest all over Russia, at least 5,100 protestors and activists have been arrested. ”

    From May 1 homeless and street beggars are going to be arrested in NZ.

    This will fill th ejails again which I suspect is revenuing for privatisation as jails are emptying.

    With more unemployed and aging people not allowed employment, certainly the future option will be internment camps from which inmates will not be released back to the streets.

    In New York, the city with the largest number of billionaires in the world, it is illegal for people to help homeless financially or with food.

    Simply, the state has too much draconian power and councils have too many by laws

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  115. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis,

    “Amazing stories” flight 77.?

    Like these witnesses ,

    From the lists above, 136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and
    104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

    6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

    26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

    39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

    2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a “commuter plane” but didn’t mention the size.

    7 said it was a Boeing 757.

    8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

    2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

    4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

    10 said the plane’s flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

    16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it’s unknown if they saw them hit.

    42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.

    2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

    15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

    3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

    3 took photographs of the aftermath.

    Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said “3-4 warnings.”

    And of course,

    0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

    0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.

    Of course ,these witnesses were likely Zionist dupes , liars and shills.? ,

    https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

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  116. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    (I was born in the UK)

    Great, another fucking leftie immigrant over here telling us what we should do. What is it with you pommie cunts and your Faux superiority.

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  117. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    A few hundred years ago western Europe was as corrupt, superstitious and authoritarian as eastern Europe. These days we (I was born in the UK) tend to feel superior because we’ve made a lot more progress towards freeing ourselves from those evils than eastern Europeans have. However, it took us centuries to do it – as demonstrated in Iraq and Afghanistan, you can’t just take over and make a foreign culture give up corruption, superstition and authoritarianism.

    LOL – And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    Look at Western superstition regarding global warming for example Milt, or all the health fads. Corruption to is in the eye of the beholder and as for authoritarianism God help anyone who questions any of the modern secularists sacred cows.

    But it’s Ukraine’s choice, not ours and certainly not Russia’s.

    Russia isn’t making any choices for Ukrainians, it is reacting to a hostile takeover from the West who engeneered a coup to install an anti American puppet Government. A government that in no way has the support of the people.

    How many countries has Vladimir Putin Bombed?

    And how many countries has the Nobel Peace Prize winning US President Bombed ?

    Open your eyes Milt go to most trouble spots in the world and there is the USA stirring up trouble, arming those who persecute Christians and bombing people into compliance.

    Bill Clinton will answer on the day of Judgement for his bombing of Yugoslavia into non existence, Where has Russia done anything remotely so wicked as this? A crime against humanity if there ever was one

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  118. OneTrack (2,806 comments) says:

    mike – “I’ve become so concerned that I’ve joined the lobby group 350.org]”

    Is that the group with the 10:10 protocol for deniers?

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  119. tom hunter (4,562 comments) says:

    Good grief

    After years of calm and moderate one-liners (sometimes just snark admittedly), mikenmild goes nuts at 3:23pm on this thread

    Six hundred plus words of passion and dare I say, even anger! Wonderful! Astounding!

    Sadly I think you’re a bit late to the party. The warmists needed all this passion years ago before the fight was lost. Other bad news is that if one lives by the MSM, one can die by it as well. The good news is that the MSM is dying at just the right time for you; it’s only Hoskings.

    Still, might we now see a name change for you as well?

    I suggest mikenWILD!

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  120. Komata (1,142 comments) says:

    AoR

    What!!!!!!!

    Psycho gives a reasonable answer to a reasonable question (and one which BTW, isn’t even addressed to you personally), and continues the discourse, yet you sir, can only mouth obscenities and show your fine collection of prejudii for all to see.

    Even if you don’t agree with him (as is very plainly evident by your response), surely there is no need to descend to a totally unnecessary level of abuse, especially as by doing-so you have contributed absolutely nothing to the discussion, and indeed your response doesn’t place you in a particularly good light.

    Since you obviously passionately believe that you have something to contribute to the Ukraine-discussion, I am sure the readership will be very interested in learning what that is.

    Over to you…..

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  121. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Tommy sweetie
    having bletch and others out on the fringe is understandable.

    However a man of your intellect should be able to deferential scientific reality from politics opinion.

    These are only some of the interesting papers published in the last few weeks in one reputable high impact journal.

    http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html#latest-research
    Nature Climate Change | Perspective
    A lower bound to the social cost of CO2 emissions
    J. C. J. M. van den Bergh
    & W. J. W. Botzen
    Nature Climate Change
    Published online
    26 March 2014
    Abstract
    Many studies have estimated the social cost of carbon (SCC). We critically evaluate SCC estimates, focusing on omitted cost categories, discounting, uncertainties about damage costs and risk aversion. This allows for the calculation of a lower bound to the SCC. Dominant SCC values turn out to be gross underestimates, notably, but not only, for a low discount rate. The validity of this lower bound is supported by a precautionary approach to reflect risk aversion against extreme climate change. The results justify a more stringent climate policy than is suggested by most influential past studies.

    A meta-analysis of crop yield under climate change and adaptation
    A. J. Challinor, J. Watson, D. B. Lobell, S. M. Howden, D. R. Smith & N. Chhetri
    Nature Climate Change
    Published online
    16 March 2014
    Feeding a growing global population in a changing climate presents a significant challenge to society1, 2. The projected yields of crops under a range of agricultural and climatic scenarios are needed to assess food security prospects. Previous meta-analyses3 have summarized climate change impacts and adaptive potential as a function of temperature, but have not examined uncertainty, the timing of impacts, or the quantitative effectiveness of adaptation. Here we develop a new data set of more than 1,700 published simulations to evaluate yield impacts of climate change and adaptation. Without adaptation, losses in aggregate production are expected for wheat, rice and maize in both temperate and tropical regions by 2 °C of local warming. Crop-level adaptations increase simulated yields by an average of 7–15%, with adaptations more effective for wheat and rice than maize. Yield losses are greater in magnitude for the second half of the century than for the first. Consensus on yield decreases in the second half of the century is stronger in tropical than temperate regions, yet even moderate warming may reduce temperate crop yields in many locations. Although less is known about interannual variability than mean yields, the available data indicate that increases in yield variability are likely.

    Sustained mass loss of the northeast Greenland ice sheet triggered by regional warmng
    Shfaqat A. Khan, Kurt H. Kjær, Michael Bevis, Jonathan L. Bamber, John Wahr, Kristian K. Kjeldsen, Anders A. Bjørk, Niels J. Korsgaard, Leigh A. Stearns, Michiel R. van den Broeke, Lin Liu, Nicolaj K. Larsen & Ioana S. Muresan
    Nature Climate Change
    Published online
    16 March 2014
    Abstract
    The Greenland ice sheet has been one of the largest contributors to global sea-level rise over the past 20 years, accounting for 0.5 mm yr−1 of a total of 3.2 mm yr−1. A significant portion of this contribution is associated with the speed-up of an increased number of glaciers in southeast and northwest Greenland. Here, we show that the northeast Greenland ice stream, which extends more than 600 km into the interior of the ice sheet, is now undergoing sustained dynamic thinning, linked to regional warming, after more than a quarter of a century of stability. This sector of the Greenland ice sheet is of particular interest, because the drainage basin area covers 16% of the ice sheet (twice that of Jakobshavn Isbræ) and numerical model predictions suggest no significant mass loss for this sector, leading to an under-estimation of future global sea-level rise. The geometry of the bedrock and monotonic trend in glacier speed-up and mass loss suggests that dynamic drawdown of ice in this region will continue in the near future.

    The rate of sea-level rise
    Anny Cazenave, Habib-Boubacar Dieng, Benoit Meyssignac, Karina von Schuckmann, Bertrand Decharme & Etienne Berthier
    Published online
    Nature Climate Change
    23 March 2014
    Present-day sea-level rise is a major indicator of climate change1. Since the early 1990s, sea level rose at a mean rate of ~3.1 mm yr−1 (refs 2, 3). However, over the last decade a slowdown of this rate, of about 30%, has been recorded4, 5, 6, 7, 8. It coincides with a plateau in Earth’s mean surface temperature evolution, known as the recent pause in warming1, 9, 10, 11, 12. Here we present an analysis based on sea-level data from the altimetry record of the past ~20 years that separates interannual natural variability in sea level from the longer-term change probably related to anthropogenic global warming. The most prominent signature in the global mean sea level interannual variability is caused by El Niño–Southern Oscillation, through its impact on the global water cycle13, 14, 15, 16. We find that when correcting for interannual variability, the past decade’s slowdown of the global mean sea level disappears, leading to a similar rate of sea-level rise (of 3.3 ± 0.4 mm yr−1) during the first and second decade of the altimetry era. Our results confirm the need for quantifying and further removing from the climate records the short-term natural climate variability if one wants to extract the global warming signal10.

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  122. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Interesting Shawn that as soon as you were asked to respond to OECD’s post”

    Respond to what? The video does not even come close to proving Andrie’s claims. I listened to it twice just to be sure. Nothing there.

    ” you start posting vile and false accusations”

    Your a Jew hater no different to the Nazi’s. That is a fact.

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  123. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Re: Pentagon witnesses:

    According to the mainstream narrative, a 45 ft lamp post landed on this taxi.

    http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/a10-DSC_0421-1.jpg

    What is wrong with this picture?

    The taxi driver’s story.

    Cab driver Lloyde England admitted that the 9/11 operation was a “planned” event by the people with “all the money” and that he was involved. He tried shifting his position on the highway so it would make sense with the north side evidence proving the plane did not hit the light poles. But that is a proven deliberate lie since he had let it slip only minutes prior (without knowing he was being recorded) that he knew he was on the bridge, directly on the south side path. Yet when the camera started, he dogmatically maintained he was on the north side even when presented with photographs proving he was on the bridge.

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  124. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “wikiriwhis,

    “Amazing stories” flight 77.?”

    And yet first responders were all banned from the 2009 commerations

    These same people who reported the twin towers were set off by audibly hearing blasts going off at every level.

    The owner of the towers was given hundreds of millions in insurance.

    Well documented V P Chaney cancelled jets approaching New York before they could intercept attackers.

    A mass of proffessional construction experts with decades of experience spoke out stating the buildings could not come down as they did unless they were imploded.

    Police were given defunct communication gear making it impossible to keep contact.

    The owners family who lived in teh towers were absent the day of the tragedy.

    Many received wqarnings to stay away on the day.

    Plus, Janitation staff who died during the fall were never given any financial support or counselling for their families.

    All funds donated were diverted.

    All rubble was trucked away before forensic experts could investigate. Though the explosive substance obtained from the site was not jet fuel as blamed for the attack.

    No passenger list from the planes has been published and no families from deceased have been interviewed and given a public voice.

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  125. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Komata
    Psycho has been bombarding us with his whining leftist bullshit for years, so to learn he’s a pommie immigrant is just the icing on the stereotype. Besides the UK is an absolute disaster and frankly that disaster has been caused by the bullshit which people like Psycho espouse and have allowed to happen in that country.
    As for Ukraine, i take no sides. I think Putin, Obama and the EU are just as bad as each other. The EU clearly want to expand, the US is always interfering in other countries, as does Putin in Russia. The sad thing is the ” ordinary” person in Ukraine is the one who gets screwed.
    I do smile at the way Putin has out manoeuvred them all, mainly because I think Obama is incompetent so do enjoy him being shown up. I hope that the Ukrainians are allowed to pursue self determination but sadly think their systems are too corrupt for that to happen for some time.

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  126. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Osama Bin Laden Admits Planning 9/11

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  127. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    4 Reasons Putin Is Already Losing in Ukraine

    “At home, this intervention looks to be the one of the most unpopular decisions Putin has ever made. The Kremlin’s own pollster released a survey on Monday that showed 73% of Russians reject it. In phrasing its question to 1600 respondents across the country, the state-funded sociologists at WCIOM were clearly trying to get as much support for the intervention as possible: “Should Russia react to the overthrow of the legally elected authorities in Ukraine?” they asked. Only 15% said yes – hardly a national consensus.

    That seems astounding in light of all the brainwashing Russians have faced on the issue of Ukraine. For weeks, the Kremlin’s effective monopoly on television news has been sounding the alarm over Ukraine. Its revolution, they claimed, is the result of an American alliance with Nazis intended to weaken Russia. And still, nearly three quarters of the population oppose a Russian “reaction” of any kind, let alone a Russian military occupation like they are now watching unfold in Crimea. The 2008 invasion of Georgia had much broader support, because Georgia is not Ukraine. Ukraine is a nation of Slavs with deep cultural and historical ties to Russia. Most Russians have at least some family or friends living in Ukraine, and the idea of a fratricidal war between the two largest Slavic nations in the world evokes a kind of horror that no Kremlin whitewash can calm.

    Indeed, Monday’s survey suggests that the influence of Putin’s television channels is breaking down. The blatant misinformation and demagoguery on Russian television coverage of Ukraine seems to have pushed Russians to go online for their information. And as for those who still have no Internet connection, they could simply have picked up the phone and called their panicked friends and relatives in Ukraine.”

    http://time.com/11952/putin-ukraine-crimea-russia/

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  128. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Respond to what? The video does not even come close to proving Andrie’s claims. I listened to it twice just to be sure. Nothing there.

    This one ya moron. Note: there is no video.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/04/general_debate_9_april_2014.html/comment-page-1#comment-1304610

    Your a Jew hater no different to the Nazi’s. That is a fact.

    Shawn how can I both be a Christian and hate anyone? You seem so full of hate yourself perhaps you assume everyone is as angry on the inside as you obviously are, just so that you don’t see yourself as the appalling human being you appear in fact to be. But be assured Shawn, your internal anger at a level approaching roiling rage is definitely unique to you, it’s you and you alone who are appalling, the rest of us don’t think like you, don’t act like you and certainly don’t have your emotional turmoil roaring like a furnace inside of us, so you need to stop projecting your own emotional failings onto others, as if any of us would ever stoop to your level of thought processes.

    The only fact is that I’ve given you information about Jews that you’re not capable of processing in any way other than assuming if you believed what I’ve told you I believe then if you were me, you’d hate Jews. That’s what you’ve done but fact is Shawn, you’re not me and you have no idea how I think or who I am.

    I’ve been at pains to point out to you many times who in fact I’m talking about but every single time you completely ignore what I’ve said and libellously allege I’m talking about the Jews from the Bible which is what everyone thinks when they hear the word Jew. You’ve never not once in all your poisonous venomous cancerous, corrosive and false allegations ever made even a modicum of effort to be accurate in your allegations, a carelessness I find appalling in a Christian, especially one married to a vicar. I do feel very sorry for her BTW. Please pass to her both my condolences and my congratulations for putting up with such a nasty creature as you for as long as she has.

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  129. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (2,828 comments) says:
    April 9th, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    The interview with Lloyd England by the two man Citizens Investigation Team ( CIT ) was a joke with plenty of rhetorical and loaded questions to get the result they wanted. They exploited Lloyd’s naivety to the max . An utterly shameful episode in the crooked annals of Truther deception. and incredulity

    This links says it all about the infamous Craig Rank (CIT ),

    http://screwloosechange.blogspot.co.nz/2008/11/lloyd-england-not-responsible-for-9-11.html

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  130. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Reid, we’ve been down this road before about your belief in ‘real Jews’, etc. Ii’s complete hokum and not even a fig leaf for your rabid anti-semitism. I doubt you even believe it yourself, let alone convincing anyone apart from the mentally deficient (looks at Ugly).

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  131. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Osama Bin Laden Admits Planning 9/11

    Fake.

    http://wtfrly.com/2013/07/25/911truth-wtfact-49-the-fake-osama-bin-laden-videos-other-shadow-govt-bs/

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  132. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (3,235 comments) says:
    April 9th, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    The small problem with your list you typically do not back it up with evidence .

    e,g “No passenger list from the planes has been published and no families from deceased have been interviewed and given a public .”voice.

    Utter bollux. !The complete flight manifests for all four flights were published with a few days of the attacks.,

    Two AA flight manifests are here ,

    http://www.911myths.com/index.php/No_hijackers_on_the_passenger_manifests

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  133. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    4 Reasons Putin Is Already Losing in Ukraine

    “At home, this intervention looks to be the one of the most unpopular decisions Putin has ever made.

    LOL Shawn Putin’s popularity in Russia is over 80%

    The question was should he overthrow the Government in Kiev and that Russians thought he shouldn’t do it. Not that he is likely to, Putin has yet to overthrow a Government in another Nation, its not part of his playbook – unlike the happless Barack Obama who makes it his business to overthrow Governments, using Bombers on civilians if it helps (as in Libya),

    Putin has never toppled a Government ever – he didn’t even take Georgia when it was his for the taking – he let the Georgians vote out the lamentable Mikheil Saakashvili at the next election. Mikheil Saakashvili who was an American puppet installed by the Rose Revolution and turned out to be a loose cannon.

    Mikheil Saakashvili lives in New York these days, working for a “think tank” writing anti Russian op eds for the NYT which cotton wool brains lap up as some sort of insight.

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  134. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    apart from the mentally deficient (looks at Ugly).

    You believe the mainstream narrative about 9/11 and I’m mentally deficient?

    Tell us where the molten steel came from mikey….

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  135. nasska (10,897 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    Reid has always gone to some pains to point out that he doesn’t blame the Jew walking around the streets of Tel Aviv. Rather his target is a small, secretive hierarchy of what he terms Zionists who wield great power in the decision making venues of Israel & the USA.

    I doubt that his opinions are totally creditable, nor do I write them off, yet it is a fair stretch to describe him as an anti-Semitic on the basis of this belief.

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  136. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, there is no evidence of molten steel. What emerges is actually evidence of molten metal mingled with other materials from the Towers.,

    http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

    The evidence of so called molten steel is purely anecdotal and only based on some first impressions ,not scientifically tested or verified .

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  137. Psycho Milt (2,365 comments) says:

    Psycho has been bombarding us with his whining leftist bullshit for years, so to learn he’s a pommie immigrant is just the icing on the stereotype.

    He immigrated shortly after his second birthday, some 52 years ago, so the term “Pommie” is technically correct but not useful as an actual description. Also – unless you’re Maori, you’ve got a cheek bitching about immigrants.

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  138. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, there is no evidence of molten steel.

    Fucking liar.

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  139. Psycho Milt (2,365 comments) says:

    Russia isn’t making any choices for Ukrainians, it is reacting to a hostile takeover from the West who engeneered a coup to install an anti American puppet Government.

    I think it’s safe to say we’re never going to find common ground on that one!

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  140. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    “He immigrated shortly after his second birthday, some 52 ”

    Your parents are English, they raised you so you are imbued with their culture. So don’t try to tell me you’re a kiwi cause you’re not. Your children’s children- yes.
    And yes, I am indigenous to NZ so take your colonial know it all arrogance elsewhere or shut the fuck up.

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  141. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The evidence of so called molten steel is purely anecdotal

    Lying sack of shit.

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  142. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    All in red.
    That is silly silly talk
    ….eh bro…..shut the fuck up?
    50+ years he has well left mommy’s skirt
    Are you projecting again?

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  143. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Hey Griff,
    The left are always trying to shut us up. You certainly see it in the climate wars ( grins). Psycho has always been outspoken and critical of things in NZ and his politics mirror the bull shit which has ruined the UK.What a nerve he has to preach to us how things should be done. NZ is doing well – could do better, the last thing we need is to lose our way and end up like the UK.

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  144. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Shawn how can I both be a Christian and hate anyone? ”

    Your not a Christian. Your a Nazi style Jew hater who gets his “theology” off of youtube videos and whackjob conspiracy web sites, or any insane source that you think justifies your hatred of the Jews. Your so-called “Christianity” is a sick perversion of the Gospel, much like the false “German Christianity” The Nazi’s tried to force on the Church.

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  145. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Sorry UT your wrong and read my link for once , guaranteed to shatter all Truther delusions and make believe.

    Meanwhile the internet hoax and lie of the 4,000 Jews,,

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/tangled_web/2001/10/4000_jews_1_lie.html

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  146. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    psycho milt , common ground based on what evidence.?
    Putin and the Kremlin’s RT or Voice of Russia.?

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  147. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Ugly and Psycho.

    The names people choose to hide behind say much about their personalities.

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  148. Andrei (2,532 comments) says:

    I think it’s safe to say we’re never going to find common ground on that one!

    Well what do you think happened then?

    And why do you think the eastern cities are up in arms?

    What did Putin have to gain from doing this?

    Another false Dmitry is being foisted on the Lands of Holy Rus – thats whats happening

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  149. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “The evidence of so called molten steel is purely anecdotal and only based on some first impressions ,not scientifically tested or verified”

    This is true stephie. But Ugly thinks anecdotal and untested “evidence” and uninformed witnesses trumps science and expert testimony.

    He makes up the rules of evidence to suit himself, much as makes up the law to suit himself.

    The technical term for this is delusional.

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  150. nasska (10,897 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4j29i4dtzppw4e/UT%204.png

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  151. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Sorry UT your wrong

    Fuck off liar. You’ve known about the evidence for days.

    Jet fuel and office fires don’t account for underground fires that burn form months, or for 900 degree surface hotspots five days after or for reports, or for “rivers of molten steel” from firemen who said it was like like “being in a foundry”.

    The existence of molten steel means that the mainstream narrative on 9/11 is a lie, so the debunkers have no option but to deny its existence.

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  152. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris
    25 Dec. 1783Writings 9:138

    The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so. I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People’s Money out of their Pockets, tho’ only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted. They seem to mistake the Point. Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors’ Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell’d to pay by some Law.

    All Property, indeed, except the Savage’s temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.

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  153. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    He makes up the rules of evidence to suit himself, much as makes up the law to suit himself.

    Fucking lying hypocrite.

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  154. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Heh, I post a video showing bin Laden admitting to 911 and Ugly responds with a web site billing itself as “New World Order and Conspiracy Analysis”!!!! :)

    What a dupe! :)

    Then again a guy who thinks a blog written by a nutcase is an “International Tribunal” is not exactly playing with a full deck! :)

    So we are supposed to believe that a video actually showing bin Laden is a fake, but videos showing people with lizard eyes are serious material.

    Seriously, how does anyone get that stupid???

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  155. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    UT, your whistleblowers from that day 9/11/2001.?
    The whereabouts of the 200 missing passengers and crews.?
    Thoughts.?

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  156. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Heh, I post a video showing bin Laden admitting to 911

    It wasn’t bin Laden, you fucking retard. The site I linked to showed how the face structure was significantly different. Also different beards and skin colour.

    Then again a guy who thinks a blog written by a nutcase is an “International Tribunal” is not exactly playing with a full deck!

    I’ve already pointed out that his so-called tribunal wasn’t property constituted, you lying Anglican sack of shit.

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  157. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    From Ugly,

    “Lying sack of shit.”

    “Fuck off liar.”

    “Fucking lying hypocrite.”

    “you lying Anglican sack of shit.”

    Did Ugly forget to take his meds today? :)

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  158. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Ugly
    ‘Not properly constituted’ is a bit of an understatement, but at least you are on the right track. Now, I was wondering, are you a freeman on the land?

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  159. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    UT, your whistleblowers from that day 9/11/2001.?

    Forget it – you’ve repeatedly lied about the existence of molten steel. Conspiracy between the people who demolished the towers and the people who flew the planes in is the next logical step.

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  160. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “The site I linked to showed how the face structure was significantly different. Also different beards and skin colour.”

    You mean the one where they deliberately blurred the video pic so badly that it looked different?

    Gullible fool.

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  161. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Did Ugly forget to take his meds today?

    Just drawing attention to your true nature, ShawnLH.

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  162. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “‘Not properly constituted’”

    LOL!! :) It was a BLOG. :)

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  163. nasska (10,897 comments) says:

    An opinion poll has been released showing the voting intentions of Muslim women.
    6% Labour
    3% Conservative
    2% National
    The rest have not yet been told by their husband who they’re voting for.

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  164. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Now, I was wondering, are you a freeman on the land?

    Back to diverting away from the real issue, MM?
    Does you faith in the system prevent you from addressing the issue of molten steel at 9/11?

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  165. Judith (8,404 comments) says:

    Oh, ground hog day again huh?

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  166. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ye canna change the laws of physics, Judith.

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  167. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Not diverting Ugly, just interested in the basis of your pseudolegal babble. I was reading something today about freemen on the land and it sounded a lot like your ideas.
    But you’re only on about 9/11 at the moment, right? What about that ‘molten steel’ then?

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  168. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    So now were playing the “explain it all again like I didn’t read what was posted about half an hour ago” game, right?

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  169. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Sigh. There was no molten steel.

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  170. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Your were expecting a serious answer mm?

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  171. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    There was no molten steel.

    So the firemen were lying, and there really wasn’t extraordinary amounts of heat keeping underground fires burning for months?

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_hotspots.html

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  172. Psycho Milt (2,365 comments) says:

    And yes, I am indigenous to NZ so take your colonial know it all arrogance elsewhere or shut the fuck up.

    NZ First voter, I take it?

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  173. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I’m not saying it wasn’t hot, just that there were no rivers of molten steel.

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  174. Psycho Milt (2,365 comments) says:

    Well what do you think happened then?

    Can’t claim any kind of in-depth knowledge or expertise, but as a casual observer this is what it looked like to me:

    Significant numbers of ethnic Ukrainians who’ve had it with corruption, superstition and authoritarianism want what Poland and the Baltic republics have got. Yanukovych went too far for these people, then he went too far for a whole lot more people, then he found himself needing a helicopter in a hurry. Not the first kleptocrat to lose power in that fashion, won’t be the last. Shame it’ll never happen to his patron.

    And why do you think the eastern cities are up in arms?

    They have significant, or even majority populations of ethnic Russians who’d have preferred Yanukovych and his patron.

    What did Putin have to gain from doing this?

    From backing Yanukovych? Mafia states need Goodfellas contributing to the take. From keeping Ukraine from aligning with the west? He had the same thing to gain that American presidents have from opposing leftist governments in Latin America – protection of the sphere of influence. From invading Crimea? He didn’t have any other options. He couldn’t let a western-aligned government have Crimea and retain any credibility.

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  175. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I’m not saying it wasn’t hot, just that there were no rivers of molten steel.

    So why would the firemen say that they saw them? You’re just playing your usual game of deny and divert. It’s getting really old.

    There is even a photo of molten metal dripping off red hot steel at the whatreallyhappened site.

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  176. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “The structural engineering community rejects the controlled-demolition conspiracy theory. Its consensus is that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was a fire-induced, gravity-driven collapse, an explanation that does not involve the use of explosives.

    Preparing a building for a controlled demolition takes considerable time and effort. The tower walls would have had to be opened on dozens of floors. Thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms would need to be sneaked past security and placed in the towers without the tens of thousands of people working in the World Trade Center noticing.[ Referring to a conversation with Stuart Vyse, a professor of psychology, an article in the Hartford Advocate asks, "How many hundreds of people would you need to acquire the explosives, plant them in the buildings, arrange for the airplanes to crash [...] and, perhaps most implausibly of all, never breathe a single word of this conspiracy?”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_controlled_demolition_conspiracy_theories

    http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

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  177. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    The ‘molten steel’ could have been slag. It could possibly have been molten aluminium. Definitely no melted steel was found. The 9/11 Commission report was clear on this.

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  178. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    “NZ First voter, I take it?”

    No, Peters views are self serving in that he exploits fear of immigration to maintain his privileged position. I don’t like your views either and your immigrant background provides a possible reason why you have them. You may have a piece of paper saying New Zealander but you’re not 100% kiwi. Go to France, live in a village for 50 years and they won’t think you’re French either.
    I got no problem with controlled immigration but do have a problem with people who aren’t kiwis trying to tell us how we should live our lives and run our country.

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  179. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. Terry Pratchett

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  180. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Exactly Shawn.
    There is no way you could have a conspiracy that large without the risk of a whistleblower.

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  181. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ziopedia, oops I mean Wikipedia is disinfo.

    Preparing a building for a controlled demolition takes considerable time and effort.

    Engineers were reported at the towers the weekend before the event.

    Thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms would …

    Not when you’ve got micronukes, consistent with Felipe David’s injuries.

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  182. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Definitely no melted steel was found. The 9/11 Commission report was clear on this.

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/070618professorsquestion911

    Many respected and distinguished university professors have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report. A number even allege government complicity in the terrorist acts of 9/11.

    Conclusions: Since there was molten steel in the wreckage of the World Trade Center, and since the temperatures of the fires were insufficient to melt steel, and since the gravitational energy was shown to be very much smaller than the energy needed to melt steel, the Twin Towers and 7 WTC could only have been brought down by explosives or cutter charges.”

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  183. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    And Ugly responds with Jew hatred. Typical.

    Claiming that Wikipedia is “disinfo” is about as credible as claiming Arnett’s one man blog is an international tribunal.

    Diversion. Distraction. Dishonesty.

    Of course if we question any of UglyNazi’s sources he complains and accuses us of ad hominem. Let’s add hypocrisy and double standards to UglyNazi’s rhetorical tactics.

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  184. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    There is no way you could have a conspiracy that large without the risk of a whistleblower.

    A whistleblower like Sibel Edmonds, you mean?

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/sibeledmondsnewsarticles

    After [9/11] we, the translators at the FBI’s largest and most important translation unit, were told to slow down, even stop, translation of critical information related to terrorist activities.

    And if she is to be believed, a treasonous plot to embed moles in American military and nuclear installations and pass sensitive intelligence to Israeli, Pakistani and Turkish sources was facilitated by figures in the upper echelons of the State and Defense Departments.

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  185. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I’d appreciate names (and links to their statements) of the ‘many respected and distinguished university professors’ who support your theory that the towers were brought down by explosives.

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  186. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Shawn
    Wiki has been open to manipulation and abuse for years. It’s an ongoing problem so Ugly has a point in that regard.

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  187. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    And Ugly responds with Jew hatred. Typical.

    Zionists and Jews are not the same thing. The Jews suffered hugely because of the actions of the Zionists.

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  188. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    If the kinds of explosives needed to bring down the twin towers were used hundreds of people would have seen them being planted before 911 even occurred.

    NOT CREDIBLE.

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  189. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Ugly
    You showed me the Sybil link the other day. I read it then and frankly she really has no evidence which pertains to 911

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  190. wat dabney (3,721 comments) says:

    Shawn how can I both be a Christian and hate anyone?

    That’s easy to explain Reid.

    Like all the other fake “Christians” here you no more follow Biblical teachings than I do.

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  191. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Zionists and Jews are not the same thing.”

    And we are back to insanity and stupidity.

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  192. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I’d appreciate names …

    You could always go ask your mother how to click the link in the post.

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  193. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Wow. Do you have the names of any non-Jewish Zionists? Coz, it’s like, a Jewish movement.

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  194. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    List of famous Zionists.

    Abba Ahimeir
    Chaim Arlosoroff
    David Ben-Gurion
    Eliezer Ben-Yehuda
    David Baazov
    Meir Bar-Ilan, rabbi and leader of Religious Zionists (National Religious Party)
    Menachem Begin
    Hugo Bergman
    Dov Ber Borochov
    Max Bodenheimer
    Max Brod
    Abba Eban
    Albert Einstein, scientist who supported the Zionist movement. Albert Einstein’s political views#Zionism
    Israel Eldad
    L. L. Zamenhof
    Aaron David Gordon
    Uri Zvi Greenberg
    Dov Gruner
    Theodor Herzl, founding father of modern political Zionist movement
    Arthur Hertzberg
    Moses Hess
    Ahad Ha’am
    Zeev Jabotinsky, publicist, leader of Revisionist Zionism
    Meir Kahane, rabbi and leader of Israeli Kach party, proposed expelling all Arabs from Israel
    Berl Katznelson
    Zvi Hirsch Kalischer, one of Zionism’s earliest pioneers in Germany.
    Abraham Isaac Kook, pro-Zionist first pre-state Chief Rabbi
    Moshe Leib Lilienblum
    Golda Meir
    Nahum Goldmann
    Samuel Mohilever
    Max Nordau
    Leon Pinsker
    Isaac Rülf
    Arthur Ruppin
    Pinhas Rutenberg
    Solomon Schechter, spokesman for Zionism within Conservative Judaism
    Moshe Sharett
    Abraham Stern
    Nahum Syrkin
    Joseph Trumpeldor
    Menahem Ussishkin
    Chaim Weizmann
    Felix Weltsch
    Robert Weltsch
    Orde Wingate, non-Jewish British army officer who trained the Haganah
    Israel Zangwill
    Baruch Zuckerman (1887–1970), American-Israeli Zionist, Yad Vashem proponent
    Uzi Hitman

    All bar one were Jews.

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  195. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    And we are back to insanity and stupidity.

    “The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies.” ~ Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionsim.

    http://www.truetorahjews.org/herzl

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  196. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    From the JEWISH Virtual Library

    The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.

    Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.

    Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism has come to include the movement for the development of the State of Israel and the protection of the Jewish nation in Israel through support for the Israel Defense Forces.

    From inception, Zionism avocated tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions – left, right, religious and secular – formed the Zionist movement and worked together toward its goals.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html

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  197. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Ugly, I’m not going to search through hundreds of links to find credible professors who buy into the molten steel thing. It’s such a specific factoid that I’m sure you must have specific expert references to it.

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  198. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You showed me the Sybil link the other day. I read it then and frankly she really has no evidence which pertains to 911

    Not directly, anyway. Her focus has mainly been on the US-Turkey relationship, and she’s had a lot to say about the role of the US in proxy terrorism (Gladio-B). This fits into the US full spectrum dominance doctrine, and is consistent with the US being involved in 9/11 as a false flag operation.

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  199. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, I’m not going to search through hundreds of links ..

    How many links are there in the post, MM?

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  200. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Zionism, JEWISH nationalist movement that has had as its goal the creation and support of a JEWISH national state in Palestine, the ancient homeland of the JEWS (Hebrew: Eretz Yisraʾel, “the Land of Israel”). Though Zionism originated in eastern and central Europe in the latter part of the 19th century, it is in many ways a continuation of the ancient nationalist attachment of the JEWS and of the JEWISH religion to the historical region of Palestine, where one of the hills of ancient Jerusalem was called Zion.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/657475/Zionism

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  201. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Ugly
    I certainly agree that theUS has been involved in many clandestine operations to influence the politics and directions of other countries but I think using micro nukes to destroy the twin towers and kill a couple of thousand people just to provide a pretext to start a war on terror or hide banking documents is too much of a stretch.
    Why would they bother? They ” own” the system and could do what they like. Still do. Just look at the way Obama treats the Constitution with disdain. And does it openly.

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  202. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Not directly, anyway. Her focus has mainly been on the US-Turkey relationship, and she’s had a lot to say about the role of the US in proxy terrorism (Gladio-B). This fits into the US full spectrum dominance doctrine, and is consistent with the US being involved in 9/11 as a false flag operation.”

    So no evidence at all, just conjecture based on anti-US conspiracy theories.

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  203. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Ugly, you single link leads to a list of ‘over 100 professors’. First, one needs to go through that list and exclude all the professors or history, theology, sociology, etc – they obviously have nothing to contribute. From the remaining list of professors who may have relevant expertise, one needs to eliminate those that are making statements in book reviews or other ephemeral media. Then you might get to a much smaller list of professors who might have some credibility and who might have published some relevant analysis. Have you done that exercise? If you haven’t, why not? If you have, surely you can share your assessment.

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  204. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    If the kinds of explosives needed to bring down the twin towers were used hundreds of people would have seen them being planted before 911 even occurred.

    Typical Ignorance

    http://911blogger.com/node/2487

    Almost all 911 objections come from closed-minded fools who hallucinate that just cos they can’t imagine how it could have been done in ways other than the official story, that therefore, ipso facto, it could not have been done. Therefore all suggestions to the contrary are automatically false and therefore the only things these profound morons ever bother reading because they “already know the answer” is, duh, sites that back up their pre-determined conclusions: i.e. debunker sites.

    I mean I guarantee mm, shawn, stephie and the rest of the idiots in the above category, have never ever bothered to read the main 911 sites. In fact, I dare the morons to even name them, I bet they can’t. Can you, morons. Go on, prove me wrong.

    Prediction. Shawn will accuse me of jew hating, stephie won’t say a thing because he can’t find a link on this post and mm will do who cares, I certainly don’t.

    UT BTW you missed out a bit of the quote from Hertzl:

    “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .

    I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . .

    The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews.

    The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”

    — Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism in 1897

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  205. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Mikey
    I hope you set the same standard when you read SKS or the 350. Org websites. But I doubt it because what they say probably fits your world view.

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  206. Left Right and Centre (2,876 comments) says:

    Today’s English pronunciation lesson starring a typical undercooked kiwi singing under the star twangled banner….

    Twelve.

    More than eleven, slightly less than thirteen.

    Ok – it goes something like this – ‘tawowalve’. It could be ‘towalve’. More popular with young women and children I might have noticed. There’s no ‘e’. Don’t whatever you do go remotely anywhere near any type of an ‘e’ sound. The ‘e’ is silent.

    There’s no ‘Tw’ either. It’s ‘Taw’ at the st-art. With the same stress and rhythm as ‘Temuka’ or ‘Te Puke’.

    The key to really nailing this one is to summon up the indistinguishable all purpose boil up kiwi vowel noise that is some mysterious combination of around twenty standard ‘oo’ and ‘uu’ strains which requires the unnecessary brilliance of the full simultaneous use of every conceivable nasal and throat passage for which it is possible to assist in the production of tonal sounds.

    They sound like their head is a bagpipe bladder about to burst its bubble with very little trouble at any given moment.

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  207. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    All_on_Red
    Sorry, I haven’t visited those websites so I wouldn’t know.

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  208. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    5 Conspiracy Theories That Are Shockingly Easy to Debunk.

    http://www.cracked.com/article_20466_5-conspiracy-theories-that-are-shockingly-easy-to-debunk.html

    Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

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  209. Rowan (2,036 comments) says:

    THE LINK BETWEEN GOD AND MEN

    An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the Problem Science has
    with GOD, the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . ..

    Professor : You are Christian, aren’t you, son ?
    Student : Yes, sir.
    Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?
    Student : Absolutely, sir.
    Professor : Is GOD Good ?
    Student : Sure.
    Professor : Is GOD ALL – POWERFUL ?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him.
    Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill.
    But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
    (Student was silent )
    Professor : You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, Young Fella.
    Is GOD Good?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : Is Satan good ?
    Student : No.
    Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
    Student : From . .. . GOD . . .
    Professor : That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : So who created evil ?
    (Student did not answer)
    Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
    All these terrible things exist in the World, don’t they?
    Student : Yes, sir.
    Professor : So, who Created them ?
    (Student had no answer)
    Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.
    Tell me, son .. . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
    Student : No, sir.
    Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
    Student : No , sir.
    Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
    Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
    Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
    Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol,
    Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
    Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
    Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.
    Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
    Professor : Yes.
    Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
    Professor : Yes.
    Student : No, sir. There isn’t.
    (The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )
    Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat, a Little Heat or No Heat. But we don’t have anything called Cold. We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as Cold. Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat. We cannot Measure Cold. Heat is Energy. Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.
    (There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )
    Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
    Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn’t Darkness?
    Student : You’re wrong again, sir.
    Darkness is the Absence of Something you can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called Darkness, isn’t it? In reality, Darkness isn’t. If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn’t you?
    Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
    Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
    Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
    Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality. You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD. You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a Thought. It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.
    Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
    Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
    Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?
    (The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )
    Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
    Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavour,
    Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?
    Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?
    (The Class was in Uproar )
    Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor’s Brain?

    (The Class broke out into Laughter )
    Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? No one appears to have done so.
    So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol,
    Science says that You have No Brain, sir. With all due respect,sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

    (The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)
    Professor : I guess you’ll have to take them on Faith, son.
    Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly !
    The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
    That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.

    The student was Albert Einstein.

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  210. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    The intellectual cowardice and incompetence of 9/11 Truthers,

    https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/semiliterateparanoiacswhofantasizeaboutt

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  211. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    REFUTING THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORIES

    http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/refute.htm

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  212. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    If a Gentile exposes Zionism, they are called “anti-semitic” which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide the Zionists actions.

    But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, they resort to other tactics.

    First, they ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.

    If the information starts reaching too many people, they ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.

    If that doesn’t work, their next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn’t been involved in sufficient scandal they are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.

    If none of these are effective, they are known to resort to physical attacks.

    But, NEVER do they try to prove the information wrong.

    Jack Bernstein, (assassinated by MOSSAD)

    Gentiles who expose zionism here on Kiwiblog of course are also called anti-semitic by the herd of galloping moron mentals led by Shawn, the epitome of the useful idiot so beloved by Stalin.

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  213. emmess (1,395 comments) says:

    Hey Andrei

    Here is some more Russia propaganda that you may like to regurgitate back for us
    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/04/i-watched-russian-state-television-for-a-whole-day/360286/

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  214. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    mikenmild (8,560 comments) says:
    April 9th, 2014 at 3:23 pm
    [I’m especially grumpy about this because I’ve been doing quite a lot of reading about climate change recently. If you are on the fence about this, I suggest you take a look at https://www.skepticalscience.com/ . I’ve become so concerned that I’ve joined the lobby group 350.org]

    What’s this about then? Making shit up are you?

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  215. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,723 comments) says:
    April 9th, 2014 at 9:40 pm
    THE LINK BETWEEN GOD AND MEN

    Oh dear….I see someone has forgotten to do their research…again

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/religion/a/einstein_god.htm

    Analysis: This apocryphal tale of a college-age Albert Einstein proving the existence of God to his atheist professor first began circulating in 2004. One reason we know it isn’t true is that the same story was already making the rounds five years earlier with no mention of Einstein in it at all.
    Another reason we know it isn’t true is that Einstein was a self-described agnostic who didn’t believe in what he called a “personal God.” He wrote: “[T]he word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”
    And, finally, we know it isn’t true because Einstein was a careful thinker who wouldn’t have abided the specious logic attributed to him here. As written, the argument neither disproves the existence of evil nor proves the existence of God.
    (Note: None of what follows is intended to disprove the existence of God, nor suffices to do so.)
    Specious logic
    The claim that cold “doesn’t exist” because according to the laws of physics it’s merely “the absence of heat” amounts to semantic game-playing. Heat is a noun, the name of a physical phenomenon, a form of energy. Cold is an adjective describing a relative lack of heat. To say that something is cold, or that we feel cold, or even that we’re going out in “the cold,” is not to assert that cold “exists.” We’re simply reporting the temperature. (It’s helpful to recognize that the antonym of cold isn’t heat; it’s hot.)
    The same applies to light (in this context a noun denoting a form of energy), and dark (an adjective). It’s true that when we say, “It’s dark outside,” the phenomenon we’re actually describing is a relative absence of light, but that doesn’t mean that by speaking of “the dark” we mistake it for a thing that “exists” in the same sense that light does. We’re simply describing the degree of illumination we perceive.
    Thus, it’s a philosophical parlor trick to posit heat and cold (or light and dark) as a pair of opposite entities only to “reveal” that the second term doesn’t really refer to an entity at all, but merely the absence of the first.
    The young Einstein would have known better, and so would his professor.

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  216. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I think using micro nukes to destroy the twin towers and kill a couple of thousand people just to provide a pretext to start a war on terror or hide banking documents is too much of a stretch.

    Yeah, it’s natural to think the best of people. It takes a while to come to terms with the degree of evil that exists amongst the international political elite.

    Why would they bother? They ” own” the system and could do what they like.

    Their hold on power isn’t all-encompassing, and military aggression without a pretext isn’t going to fly. Obama was reportedly warned that he would be looking at a charge of treason if he called for US military intervention in Syria.

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  217. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

    Er Shawn. The person who wrote that. Who was he? Do you know? If you do, do you think it’s significant, or just nothing at all?

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  218. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Anti-Zionism is anti-semitism: Behind much criticism of Israel is a thinly veiled hatred of Jews

    If Israel’s critics are truly opposed to anti-semitism, they should not repeat traditional anti-semitic themes under the anti-Israel banner. When such themes – the Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, linking Jews with money and media, the hooked-nose stingy Jew, the blood libel, disparaging use of Jewish symbols, or traditional Christian anti-Jewish imagery – are used to describe Israel’s actions, concern should be voiced.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/29/comment

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  219. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I’m sure you will be able to appreciate Reid, that when you say things like ‘Hollywood is controlled by Zionists’ or ‘Wikipedia is infested with Zionists’ many will understand those statements to be attacks on Jews generally.

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  220. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Ugly
    I take your point but let me assure you, I am a cynic.

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  221. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    All_on_Red
    I was cutting and pasting from a blog post by Steven Price about Mike Hosking. The square brackets at the end must have given the impression that was my own comment. It wasn’t. I should be more careful in posting quoted material. I see tom hunter assumed they were my words too.

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  222. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    ISRAELOPHOBIA AND MENTAL ILLNESS

    Whether it is neurotic or psychotic, Israelophobia can be defined as the hysterical, spiteful, hyperbolic and irrational fear or hatred of Israel. The unhealthy fixation with the State of Israel and Zionism is sometimes referred to as the “new anti-Semitism.” The “new anti-Semites” have merely substituted the word “Jew” with the word “Israel.” This is why Israel is sometimes called the “Jew of the nations.” All the old religious, economic and nationalist prejudices about “the Jew” are reinterpreted for a modern audience. Israel-bashing is merely a way of expressing and legitimizing irrational feelings about Jews. This can be seen in Mr Sandland’s bizarre letter.

    As with all irrational prejudices, Israelophobia is intolerant and obsessional. It is espoused by a motley array of factions that include the Left, the Far Right, many Christian denominations, conspiracy theorists and the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims, some of whom are dangerous jihadists. The fact that Israelophobia attracts people from across the ideological, cultural and political divide is a good indication that it is unreasonable and confused.

    In any other circumstance you would be hard pressed to find a situation in which Islamists, neo-Nazis, socialists, liberals, radical Islamists, Quakers and people who believe in shape-shifting aliens agree on anything. But when it comes to Israel and “the Jews,” all these factions share the same demented prejudice. Moreover, the disproportionate focus on Israel by the UN, the media and university campuses clearly indicate that Israelophobia is an obsession. And an obsession is a neurosis.

    http://defenseoftheisraelipeople.wordpress.com/2013/06/24/israelophobia-and-mental-illness/

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  223. Rowan (2,036 comments) says:

    http://www.raptureforums.com/BibleProphecy/101science.cfm

    Richard
    Here is a list of 101 scientific facts from the bible, disprove all of them and then I might take you seriously, currently I find you about as convincing as Mr Garrisons take on evolution.
    I don’t really care if the student was Einstein or not, the argument holds the same.

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  224. Left Right and Centre (2,876 comments) says:

    My faith tells me that Rowan’s story is yet more internet bollocks.

    Update – save it for church fuckwit – no sale.

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  225. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    Reid’s staggeringly ignorant comments about controlled demolition . The laying of charges for the controlled demolition Hudson Tower Chicago took 24 days and even Loose change admit that sniffer dogs and other security measures were only withdrawn from WTC 1 &; 2 five days prior.

    “The Hudson Building “It took us 24 days with 12 people doing nothing but loading explosives…” James Santoro – Controlled Demolition Incorporated”

    http://politicalmythsdebunked.blogspot.co.nz/

    Somehow the laying of charges at WTC, taking considerably longer with more manpower and resources ,some how went unnoticed ,!

    LMAO.!

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  226. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    First, one needs to go through that list and exclude all the professors or history, theology, sociology, etc – they obviously have nothing to contribute.

    LOL

    Still can’t cope with the implications of the existence of molten steel, can you?

    Since there was molten steel in the wreckage of the World Trade Center, and since the temperatures of the fires were insufficient to melt steel, and since the gravitational energy was shown to be very much smaller than the energy needed to melt steel, the Twin Towers and 7 WTC could only have been brought down by explosives or cutter charges.”

    Terry Morrone, PhD – Professor Emeritus of Physics, Adelphi University.

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  227. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Yeah LRC, it’s bollocks. Most of them are trivial, quite a few falsifiable.

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  228. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Fair enough mikey.
    If you do actually wish to learn a bit about the science I suggest watts up with that.com. Sure Griff froths at the mouth at the mention of it but millions, yes millions of people have voted it best science blog three years in a row. Now consensus actually means nothing ( ask Einstein) but the info and data is pretty pure and honestly represented.

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  229. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Professor Morrone is obviously wrong Ugly, as no molten steel was found at the site. I tried to Google Prof Morrone BTW, all I got was “did you mean moron?”

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  230. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Anti-Zionism is anti-semitism: Behind much criticism of Israel is a thinly veiled hatred of Jews

    I’m sure Shawn’s wife would be horrified in his assessment. But she’s probably not surprised at his vapid superficiality. After all, the poor woman freely decided to marry him, presumably she knew what she was getting into.

    But it’s so pathetic, to hear such a moron pontificate about things he clearly knows nothing about. This for example is a surprise to him, and it was delivered in 1905, by a Jew. Does that mean it’s anti-semitic too? Or is it anti-anti-semitic?

    http://marikasosnowski.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Dowty_YitzhakEpstein.pdf

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  231. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Reid, one warning, and one only. Keep my wife out of it.

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  232. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Reid, one warning, and one only. Keep my wife out of it.

    Shawn, you keep making up lies about me buddy so why is your wife out of bounds?

    So you started it, you can finish it, by not lying about me and what I really think about Jews, and that’s going to take an apology from you for the lies you’ve told, an admission you were lying and a commitment you’re not going to do it again.

    Over to you.

    And for good measure, a commitment to stop alleging UT hates Jews as well. Because I know he doesn’t, either.

    Simply because Shawn, robust debate is fine, but that’s one allegation you need to be damn sure of, before you throw it around in public.

    Buddy.

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  233. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Gentlemen
    Choose your seconds. Pistols or swords?

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  234. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Shawn, you keep making up lies about me buddy so why is your wife out of bounds?”

    My criticisms are directed at you, not at any of your family members. Your ideology fits classical anti-Semitism, so I call you on that.

    Trust me boy, you don’t know me, you don’t know what I have done in the past, and you don’t want to test me on this.

    Keep my wife out of it.

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  235. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Happy to second reid
    Your labeling reid anti jewish is unsupported Reid propose a Zionist conspiracy at that layer. iT is extremely insulting to call someone a neo nazi repeatedly
    It is a reflection of the same personality defect that placed my
    Gaia the excepted term for the ecosphere we inhabit…. a personification #
    As a religious manifestation.

    #Everyone knows what a person is, but do you know what personification is? Personification is when you assign the qualities of a person to something that isn’t human or, in some cases, to something that isn’t even alive. There are many reasons for using personification. It can be used as a method of describing something so that others can understand. It can be used to emphasize a point. It is a commonly favored literary tool,

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  236. SGA (950 comments) says:

    Rowan at 9:52 pm

    http://www.raptureforums.com/BibleProphecy/101science.cfm
    Here is a list of 101 scientific facts from the bible, disprove all of them and then I might take you seriously, currently I find you about as convincing as Mr Garrisons take on evolution.

    A wonderful example of the “Gish Gallop”
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

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  237. nasska (10,897 comments) says:

    ….”Trust me boy, you don’t know me, you don’t know what I have done in the past, and you don’t want to test me on this.”…..

    The man of mystery…..after a life of violence & depravity he finds God & peace.

    Yet one dark night on Kiwiblog the line is crossed & our man of the cloth stumbles into the night, slingshot in hand to seek revenge.

    To be continued. :)

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  238. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Keep my wife out of it.

    Look fuckwit.

    You say things like “Reid thinks” or “Reid says” or whatever.

    These ARE YOUR CONCLUSIONS NOT THINGS THAT I HAVE SAID. THEY’RE YOUR FUCKING MENTAL HALLUCINATIONS YOU’VE INVENTED IN YOUR OWN FUCKED LITTLE RAT NEST YOU CALL YOUR MIND.

    I told you, you stupid little fuck, I’m very happy indeed to be called on anything I’VE ACTUALLY SAID. But I won’t have puny little tossers called ShawnLH putting words in my mouth.

    I don’t give a fuck what you interpret me to have said, I don’t care, I’m not responsible for your education or lack of it and I’m not responsible for your thought processes either, so I don’t care what you say to yourself. What I do care about is when you allege “Reid said” or “Reid thinks” when I didn’t say that and I don’t think that and how the fuck would you know what I think?

    So that’s the price Shawn, plus the same for your idiotic allegations of the same nature you throw against UT as well.

    It’s an annoying little habit you’ve got there pal, but then again, one assumes in real life, you’re an annoying little man in real life too.

    Take it or leave it.

    Shame its come to this. In over 12 years and 15,000+ comments you’re the only little arsehole that’s ever forced me into a corner where I have to lay it out like this. Congratulations, you little prick.

    P.S. I bet it is, as well.

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  239. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    “Your labeling reid anti jewish is unsupported”

    Nonsense. It is supported by his own words. As other’s can testify to, and as Reid himself has said, he interprets the term Zionist to mean all Askhenazi Jews, and he makes the usual claims of Jewish control of Hollywood and global conspiracy. This fits classical anti-Semitism.

    If Reid does not like the accusation, he needs to prove it wrong, which he has failed to do.

    The point however is that peoples family members, who are not participating, should not be dragged into the fray. That is uncalled for. It is low, a gutter level scumbag tactic.

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  240. stephieboy (2,518 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (2,852 comments) says:
    April 9th, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Name one Emeritus Professor of Physics from say Harvard, Princeton, Stamford,MIT, UCLA etc who has come out in support of Emeritus Professor’s Terry Morrone’s claim about the alleged presence of molten “steel.”?

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/28/the-physics-of-9-11/

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  241. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Your own words condemn you. You have said with regards to Jews in Hollywood, and I quote “Satanic Zionist thugs.”

    If your going to make statements like that, you cannot complain when you are called on them.

    You brought it on yourself. But you seem to want the right to make such statements and not have any consequences as a result.

    Tough.

    But I have not at any time dragged any member of your family into this debate.

    Be wise, and do the same.

    I’ll give you some time to calm down and think. But do think Reid. Because as I said, your really do not want to test me on this.

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  242. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Nonsense. It is supported by his own words.

    Go on. Quote them.

    Go on.

    You have said with regards to Jews in Hollywood, and I quote “Satanic Zionist thugs.”

    Give us the full quote moron. I think you’ll find it’s about the Jews who control Hollyweird. But go and find it.

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  243. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Shawn’s quotes today:

    I don’t take orders from Jew hating Neo-Nazi’s.

    WHERE DOES REID’S JEW HATRED LEAD?

    Reid hides behind whackjob conspiracy theories but make no mistake, he is peddling the same filth that led to this.

    Reid calls Jews “Satanic Zionist thugs.” He tries to hide his Jew hatred behind a laughable theory that no serious academic anywhere in the world would take seriously.

    But make no mistake, it IS standard brand Nazi Jew hatred.

    When Reid attacks Jews in Hollywood, that’s Jew hatred.

    When Reid claims Jews control the US gov, that’s Jew hatred.

    When Reid claims that most Jews are not real Jews, that’s Jew hatred.

    When Reid demands that Jews accept his whackjob theory about who “real’ Jews are, that’s Jew hatred.

    When Reid attacks the victim’s of the Holocaust, Ashkenazi Jews, as Satanic thugs, that’s Jew hatred.

    Need I go on. So go on Shawn. Find me places where I’ve said all those things, made those demands, made those claims. Every single one of them. BTW I only got a few quotes down, there will be more. You need to find me my words where all those things you allege can be substantiated.

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  244. Reid (16,106 comments) says:

    Your a Jew hater no different to the Nazi’s. That is a fact.

    Your not a Christian. Your a Nazi style Jew hater who gets his “theology” off of youtube videos and whackjob conspiracy web sites, or any insane source that you think justifies your hatred of the Jews. Your so-called “Christianity” is a sick perversion of the Gospel, much like the false “German Christianity” The Nazi’s tried to force on the Church.

    Still more evidence required from you Shawn. And that’s just today. Hey Shawn. Shawn?

    He’s buggered off, snivelling little coward.

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  245. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Here are the sort of people who think Jews control Hollywood.

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t939038/

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  246. Left Right and Centre (2,876 comments) says:

    It’s a good job people like Shawn care so much about everything happening in the world. I don’t know how it would ever keep on turning without his valuable input.

    Dr chillout prescribes a few beers and a good sitcom

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  247. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    The world is to divide into two classes/groups, one tall and intelligent (Zionist) and one short and stupid (slaves of the Zionist) and all because we did not listen to reid …

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6057734.stm

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  248. Tom Jackson (2,491 comments) says:

    Here are the sort of people who think Jews control Hollywood.

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t939038/

    You forgot Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times.

    I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe “the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews,” down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

    And does anyone seriously deny that the Israel lobby exists and is immensely powerful in US politics? That’s not a conspiracy. It’s a fact. The US is completely one eyed when it comes to Israel, and campaign finance has a lot to do with it.

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  249. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Tom,

    the reason for the strength of the US’s support for Israel is not money, but the simple fact that most American’s support Israel.

    Reid however goes well and truly beyond any reasonable critiques of Israeli policy. He believes all Askhenazi Jews are Satanic Zionist thugs engaged in ritual child abuse. He has linked to web sites making these claims repeatedly, and if anyone challenges him or disagrees he throws abuse at them, calling them stupid and ignorant.

    Now he’s whining like a spoilt brat that someone is challenging him and pointing out that his ideology is Jew hatred, which it indisputably is. And I’m not the only one saying that.

    Now Reid, pissed off that he cannot just say what he likes and not be challenged, has decided to well and truly get into the gutter and insult my wife.

    He’s a total moron if he thinks for one moment I will let that stand, and it says a great deal about his lack of any real moral character that he will stoop that low.

    But the little Jew hating bully has picked on the wrong man.

    Big mistake.

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  250. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    It is not surprising to me that he is on Ugly’s side. Ugly is cut from the same cloth. Just look at his rhetoric at even the most mild challenge: From Ugly. “Lying sack of shit.” “Fuck off liar.” “Fucking lying hypocrite.”

    Who do UT and Reid think they are? They seem to believe that we must all roll over and agree with their insanity and hatred and if we don’t the abuse follows. I have been watching this for weeks and finally decided to do some challenging of my own.

    This blog can be fierce. I have put up with a lot of abuse myself, including from Griff who is now supporting Reid and moaning about me. Total hypocrite.

    The three of them dish it out but cannot take it. If you don’t have the balls to just fight back without dragging people’s spouses into it, then piss off and take up stamp collecting.

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  251. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    The column to end ones on line life with.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11233353

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  252. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    So is it safe to go on line to sort out buying some Genesis shares?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11235050

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  253. Manolo (13,516 comments) says:

    Adding to Griff’s despair: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/04/09/new-report-claims-un-findings-on-climate-change-is-just-bunch-hot-air/

    “All across the planet, the historical increase in the atmosphere’s CO2 concentration has stimulated vegetative productivity,” reads a portion of the 1,063-page report, called “Climate Change Reconsidered II: Biological Impacts.” “This observed stimulation, or greening of the Earth, has occurred in spite of many real and imagined assaults on Earth’s vegetation, including fires, disease, pest outbreaks, deforestation and climatic change.”

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  254. Tom Jackson (2,491 comments) says:

    “the reason for the strength of the US’s support for Israel is not money, but the simple fact that most American’s support Israel.”

    Hardly. They care more about themselves.

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  255. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    How would you know Tom?

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  256. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Gallup Polls on American Sympathy Toward Israel

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/gallup.html

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  257. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Why anti-Zionists are racists.

    “A racist is someone who privileges some ethnic groups above others purely on the grounds of race, or racial or ethnic origins. “White supremacists” are therefore racists (as are “black supremacists”.) The hotelier who advertises “no blacks” — or “no Jews” — is a racist. Apologists for anti-Zionist racism, anxious to avoid the opprobrium that the word “racist” attracts, argue that they support the right of Jewish self-determination, but not in “Palestine”. But that’s precisely where the international community has decreed that the state of the Jews shall be located, and where it is located. Those (whose numbers, I regret to say, include British politicians, intellectuals and academics) who campaign for the overturning of these realities are undoubtedly, therefore, racists.”

    http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/columnists/90023/why-anti-zionists-are-racists

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  258. Yoza (1,667 comments) says:

    Manolo (12,589 comments) says:
    April 10th, 2014 at 5:49 am

    Adding to Griff’s despair: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/04/09/new-report-claims-un-findings-on-climate-change-is-just-bunch-hot-air/

    That’s just sad Manolo, 30 scientists organised by the Heartland Institute to produce denialist propaganda. The Heartland Institute is so toxic even the Koch brothers won’t give it money any more.

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  259. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Anti-Zionism is Racism (An essay by Judea Pearl)

    “Are Jews a nation? A collective is entitled to nationhood when its members identify with a common history and wish to share a common destiny. Palestinians have earned nationhood status by virtue of thinking like a nation, not by residing where their ancestors did (many of them are only three or four generations in Palestine). Jews, likewise, are bonded by nationhood (i.e., common history and destiny) more than they are bonded by religion.

    The appeal to Jewish nationhood is necessary when we consider Israel’s insistence on remaining a “Jewish state.” By “Jewish state” Israelis mean, of course, “national Jewish state,” not “religious Jewish state” — theocratic states (like Pakistan and Iran) are incompatible with modern standards of democracy and pluralism. Anti-Zionist racists use this anti-theocracy argument repeatedly to delegitimize Israel, and I have found our students unable to defend their position with conventional ideology that views Jewishness as a religion.

    Jewishness is more than just a religion. It is an intricate and intertwined mixture of ancestry, religion, history, country, culture, tradition, attitude, nationhood and ethnicity, and we need not apologize for not fitting neatly into the standard molds of textbook taxonomies — we did not choose our turbulent history.

    As a form of racism, anti-Zionism is worse than anti-Semitism. It targets the most vulnerable part of the Jewish people, namely, the people of Israel, who rely on the sovereignty of their state for physical safety, national identity and personal dignity. To put it more bluntly, anti-Zionism condemns 5 million human beings, mostly refugees or children of refugees, to eternal statelessness, traumatized by historical images of persecution and genocide.”

    http://cifwatch.com/2012/03/19/anti-zionism-is-racism-an-essay-by-judea-pearl/

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  260. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It is not surprising to me that he is on Ugly’s side. Ugly is cut from the same cloth. Just look at his rhetoric at even the most mild challenge: From Ugly. “Lying sack of shit.” “Fuck off liar.” “Fucking lying hypocrite.”

    Facts are facts, ShawnLH, you are both a liar and a hypocrite.

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  261. ShawnLH (4,431 comments) says:

    Ugly, you have proven time and time again that facts are of no concern to you.

    You just, like Reid, do not like being challenged. In FACT, the “fuck off liar” statement you made was not even directed at me, but at someone else who disagreed with you.

    What does that say about your true nature? You tell people to fuck off merely for disagreeing with you.

    You and Reid and petulant children who have not learned how to play with the adults.

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  262. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,724 comments) says:
    April 9th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
    http://www.raptureforums.com/BibleProphecy/101science.cfm
    Richard
    Here is a list of 101 scientific facts from the bible, disprove all of them and then I might take you seriously, currently I find you about as convincing as Mr Garrisons take on evolution.
    I don’t really care if the student was Einstein or not, the argument holds the same.

    You really are scientifically illiterate aren’t you?
    Still banging on about a cartoon that ridicules creationists as if it supports your position?

    The argument outlined in your nonsense tale falsely attributed to Einstein is nonsense.
    It is flawed in several ways. The site I posted gave reasons beyond the one example of spurious logic on the failings of the argument and you are still unable to distinguish reason from fantasy.

    Leaving aside the fact that you are resorting to the Gish Gallop, as I have said before, thankfully I am not your science teacher but if you want to get your ‘scientific facts’ from an ancient text as interpreted by a website that makes the claim below, good luck to you

    “Confused about rapture of the church and the end times? You’ll find answers to all your questions about the rapture and much more. And we’ll help you understand how news headlines relate to the rapture as we count down the days until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.”

    If you can explain the theory of evolution in your own words and explain what evidence you reject and why, I will work on your list
    Actually that would require some scientific understanding from you so it is highly unlikely

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