Labour MP says Pacific church leaders just in it for the money

April 3rd, 2014 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

NewstalkZB reports:

The Labour MP for Mangere, Su’a William Sio, says stories of Pasifika leaders encouraging their communities to turn blue are exaggerated. …

Su’a William Sio says this is being led by a small Samoan group that is following the money.

Not sure this is the way of keeping church leaders onside – accuse them of just being motivated by money as the reason they are no longer supporting Labour.

“They are generally business entrepreneurs, and so they believe the lie about the brighter future and I think they’ll get a backlash from the Pacific public.”

Also reveals a bit of a paternalistic attitude that implies they should be content working in a factory, rather than trying to own their own businesses.

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41 Responses to “Labour MP says Pacific church leaders just in it for the money”

  1. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Oops. That is going to backfire badly with the PI community.

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  2. duggledog (1,557 comments) says:

    My god (sic) what a stupid, stupid thing to say. I fear the stupid-tank at labour Party HQ must be getting low

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  3. redqueen (562 comments) says:

    The War Room is fully operational, apparently.

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  4. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    The War Room is fully operational, apparently.

    Awful lot of friendly fire casualties expected…..

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  5. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Attacking church ministers is a really bad move. Even if many PI’s may not have agreed with them, they will rally around them because of this despicable and paternalistic rhetoric.

    Labour just seem to shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity. Are they trying to lose the election?

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  6. Harriet (4,971 comments) says:

    Gotta keep as many as possible on the plantation.

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  7. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Neh, no story here. PI and Maori votes are taken for granted. They will always vote Labour no matter what. Add to that mix, Indians living in Auckland. Labour is a winner as always folks.

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  8. tvb (4,421 comments) says:

    Labour thinks PIs are only good for welfare and should therefore support Labour. Any alternative is a big lie. Welfare is real.

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  9. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    This isn’t the first time Su’a William Sio has spoken out against greedy church leaders: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/tension_in_mangere.html

    I for one think Pacific Islanders can do with someone who isn’t scared to speak out against church leaders, given how much hard-earned cash they fleece off their congregations.

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  10. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    You seem suddenly supportive of social conservatives, DPF. You’ve spoken well of Colin Craig over the past couple of months and now you’re cheering on these deeply religious Pacific Island and Maori voters because they are reacting to exactly the kind of social liberalism you espouse. It comes across as a bit two faced, frankly. Just because National might rely on the Christian vote to get into power/ form a government.

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  11. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    Whereas of course the appeal that Labour has for the PI community has nothing to do with the promise of welfare money, no nothing at all, nothing to see here, oh look, a squirrel…

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  12. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    “they believe the lie about the brighter future and I think they’ll get a backlash from the Pacific public.”

    A “brighter future”! Oh, how *shocking* for the Pasifika community to believe in that!
    Especially as voting for Labour for 80-odd years has given them NOTHING.

    The only backlash from the Pasifika community will be against Labour for their patronising paternalistic attitude and for taking the Pasifika vote for granted for the last 80-odd years.

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  13. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Falafulafisi was very critical of Church leaders’ influence in insisting that young PIs devote excessive time to Church activities at the expense of their schoolwork. As I recall he recounted the fact that he had a number of stand up arguments with Church leaders over this issue but to no avail. The point being, that his experience underscored the extent of the influence that these leaders have on their congregations.

    Viscunt Cunners, home renovator of “The Leaves”, Marine Parade, Herne Bay, might need to brush up on his bro’ accent if he wants to turn this tide.

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  14. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    I hate to say it but I agree with Sio. The Pacifica church’s are raping the mugs who attend each and every week, the level of tithing is incredible.

    In some churches (if not all) the amount of the donation and the name of the family is read out to the entire congregation.

    This is yet another example of how religion is poisonous.

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  15. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    another example of how religion is poisonous

    Thanks for that bb. Here we go …. :(

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  16. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    Sorry mode. I could have left that bit out I guess.

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  17. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    On Tick to loan sharks.

    effective rates 50% +

    To pay for the little extra the church needs….

    Worked for one pastor as a carpet layer.

    Canker decided it was a gift to god.

    Replied with small claim filling.

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  18. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Peter

    Awful lot of friendly fire casualties expected…..

    Good point. Maybe someone should just lock the door when they’re all inside. We’ll see who comes out alive.

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  19. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Silly Man – biting the hand that feeds you.
    But then he is Labour, so nothing new just usual SNAFU.

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  20. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    small claim filling

    Typo there griefy? Did you mean “clam”? Sounds delicious but it doesn’t seem he deserved it in the circs.

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  21. OneTrack (3,093 comments) says:

    Just when you think Labour can’t possibly get any more toxic. And then they prove they can.

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  22. redqueen (562 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode at 1.38pm

    That’s a great idea. We could call it ‘Cunliffe’s Cat Experiment’, but never actually re-open the door…

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  23. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    When Labour say “war room”, I’m seeing Dad’s Army

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  24. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    One thing that is often overlooked is that “Brown” communities – Maori and Pacific – are far more likely to be victims of crime as well as to be overrepresented in the prison population.

    I recall a meeting my EA managed to arrange with some Maori Wardens in Mangere…I had a chuckle that their HQ is literally within sight of Sua’s electorate office. I was there to explain 3S, and to emphasize how it would have a disproportionalely positive effect on their communties. Turned I didnt need to explain it – they already knew that crime of all types – particularly violent crime – impacted more on their communties than those who live in the leafy suburbs.

    What was significant was the series of meetings with other Wardens’ chapters which got cancelled after Sua’s office got to hear about our meeting. Suddenly a number of firm dates were cancelled; it wouldn’t do for the constituents to learn about the reality of the “draconian” (the left love that word) legislation Labour was opposing so vehemently.

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  25. Tautaioleua (305 comments) says:

    If you google one of the ministers mentioned, you’ll notice that he loaned himself money from a trust. You’ll also notice that he was an operational manager and in governance at the same time (all of them were).

    If National wants the Pacific vote, make sure you have the right chiefs on board or you’ll lose the Indians.

    :-)

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  26. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Labour MP in being correct about something shocker.

    Stopped clock, twice a day etc etc……

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  27. RRM (9,920 comments) says:

    Election smarts aside, he’s right, isn’t he?

    Praise the Lord! And don’t forget to drop 10% of your pay in the jar.

    We also accept eft-pos…

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  28. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Seems strange how fairies need a war room, more appropriate they have a powder room.

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  29. edhunter (546 comments) says:

    When you take into account, tithing, union fees, money sent back to the islands, ‘gifts’ required for the numerous weddings & funerals per year it’s not really any wonder that some appear to be living below the poverty line.
    And while I’m happy that maybe some are coming to the conclusion that all Labour has ever done is take their vote for granted it doesn’t mean I’m happy with these charlatans fleecing their flock so they can live in relative luxury. I’m actually surprised the Bish hasn’t tried to resurrect his political party. Or has he just got smarter & is now a backer of another semi-religious party …

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  30. Dave_1924 (116 comments) says:

    Given the birth rate differentials Pacific Island peoples and Maori are the battleground voter base going forward.
    It is a good move for National to be building bridges into the PI communities via the Churches but also through high profile PI sportsmen and women.
    An aspirational story is the way to go
    But as a previous commentator said – they need to pick the right leaders to align to otherwise the opportunity for toxic fall out could be great…

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  31. Changeiscoming (189 comments) says:

    Labour should have thought about more about their PI voter base when they were ramming the Homosexual marriage bill through.

    I hope it bites them hard!

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  32. Richard Hurst (857 comments) says:

    Poor old Labour – still riddled with factions and in-fighting. And this is a party that thinks it could work a deal with the Greens, Mana and NZFirst to form a govt???

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  33. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    Pacific Island Church leaders just in it for the money? who wooda thunk it?
    Tything, that’s similar to the Union leaders only in it for the money by forcing Union fees – if you don’t pay you are ‘named’
    Politics is nasty, but bleeding on faith is …..

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  34. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    Ah. So, if these fundamentalist Pasifika ministers persuade their voters not to vote for Labour in Mangere, they will…unseat Su’a William Sio, one of the few Labour MPs to vote against Louisa Wall’s Marriage Equality Act last year???

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  35. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    Michael Jones smelt a rat with National and didn’t accept their invitation to become a Nat MP.

    He could have turned a swath of PI’s, esp Samoans, to National. He chose to turn his back on the Nats.

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  36. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Perhaps David Tua will make a difference:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/9323338/Boxer-David-Tua-outlines-his-political-ambition

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  37. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    That would be orsum.

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  38. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    The ‘O for Awesome’ was apparently ‘O for Olsen’, although he did request ‘P’ when buying a vowel…

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  39. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Look it up on Youtube. It’s definitely ‘O for Awesome”

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  40. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I might just do that – to be followed by a Wikipedia edit!

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  41. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

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