Why just two co-deputy PMs?

April 20th, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

3 News reports:

The could share the deputy Prime Minster role in a coalition with Labour, Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei says.

Greens co-leader Russel Norman last month said he was keen on the role.

Ms Turei said she would like to be deputy Prime Minister along with Dr Norman.

“There’s no rules that stop there from being more than one deputy Prime Minister,” she told The Nation.

“Russel and I have had a co-leadership role in the Greens that’s worked very well for the Green Party. I think something similar would work very well for the country as well.”

Why stop at just two?

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if there were five co-deputy Prime Ministers?

David Parker, Russel Norman, Winston Peters, Metiria Turei and Hone Harawira could all be co-deputy Prime Ministers. They could rotate being Acting PM between, whenever David Cunliffe is overseas.

I guess Kim Dotcom can’t be an official sixth co-Deputy Prime Minister, but maybe as a consolation prize they could make him the Secretary of Justice?

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78 Responses to “Why just two co-deputy PMs?”

  1. thePeoplesFlag (169 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  2. wat dabney (3,655 comments) says:

    Bigger salaries and chauffeured car upgrades all round then.

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  3. Unity (269 comments) says:

    I prefer not to think of the Greens anywhere near Labour, let alone as deputy PMs. It would be the ruination of this country if they had a chance to introduce any of their social engineering policies.

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  4. ShawnLH (3,182 comments) says:

    Metiria must be running short on her expensive clothing budget.

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  5. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    Why not have three? Why not four deputy PMs?

    A Green male, a Green woman; a Labour heterosexual and a Labour person from a sexual orientation or gender minority.

    Why not eight: double up with pakeha and Maori for each category?

    Why not twelve: add another four for multicultural minorities?

    It fits the characteristic or prejudice that the Greens as a group are into huggy-huggy, folk-dancing, “groupiness” and are very light on individualism.

    Who will be acting PM while Cunliffe is pig hunting in South Canterbury? Let’s vote on it. But how will we decide the vote – FPP or something more democratic? Can we wait a day and do it by email? Does anyone know whose turn it is?

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  6. mikenmild (10,611 comments) says:

    There will only be on Deputy Prime Minister and it will be Winston Peters. Or maybe he will hold out to be Co-Prime Minister?

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  7. Psycho Milt (2,246 comments) says:

    Why stop at just two?

    I don’t know. Why stop at just one?

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  8. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (783 comments) says:

    It may be an easy option to declare all of Labour-Green-Winston First-Mana-DotCon MPs as Deputy Prime Ministers…….NZ deserves this comedy show for sure…..

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  9. Monty (962 comments) says:

    Very hypothetically speaking, if Cunliffe was ever Prime Minister, there is no way he could go overseas. He would never come back to a job.

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  10. thor42 (900 comments) says:

    Yet another fruit-cake idea from the Greens.

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  11. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    What they’re really working towards is a commisariat,like in the Soviet Union.

    All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.

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  12. peterwn (3,140 comments) says:

    DPF – are you sure the thin air is not affecting your brain? This is a disturbing turn of events.

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  13. Fisiani (943 comments) says:

    If National gets 50% then all such talk is mere talk. I will do everything I can to get National over 50%.

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  14. Than (425 comments) says:

    Chucking out your ridiculous Reductio ad absurdum argument, why not have more than one?

    What purpose would be served? What would these additional deputy PMs do that a single deputy PM could not? It would be meaningless symbolism, purely to pander to the egos of coalition partners. And like wat dabney said, each of these “deputy PMs” would demand all the perks and baubles of the position.

    But the question is moot anyway. On current polling the only way Labour could form a government would be with NZF. Winston would demand the exclusion of the Greens as part of the price of his support, and Labour would not be in a position to refuse.

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  16. johnwellingtonwells (121 comments) says:

    Nursery Rhyme
    “There were ten in the bed. And the little one said, “Roll over! Roll over!” So they
    all rolled over and one fell out. There were nine in the bed. And the little one said ….”
    and on and on

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  17. RightNow (6,642 comments) says:

    I agree with thePeoplesFlag – our parliament should be more like a US corporation.

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  18. Bob (478 comments) says:

    Why only several deputy prime ministers? Why not share prime minister position? Each could be leader for six months. Mind you it might be confusing for other country’ leaders a visit to Australia by David Cunliffe then 6 months later Metiria Turei turns up for the next meeting.

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  19. lolitasbrother (467 comments) says:

    Unity : at 11:14 am
    I prefer not to think of the Greens anywhere near Labour, let alone as deputy PMs. It would be the ruination of this country if they had a chance to introduce any of their social engineering policies.

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    and then woops Unity at 12:44 pm
    From where I’m sitting, National are also a disaster for this country when you think of the ignored referenda and special treatment based on race in every facet of our society. ….

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    Unity if you can , ignore the red thumbs down, this is a redneck site

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  20. thedavincimode (6,519 comments) says:

    This little “me too” will no doubt give rise to some interesting “behind the scenes” discussions.

    Tooralooney might have to just make do with a little green stamp on the back of her hand – just like in primary school.

    She, more than Key, is a useful reminder that opportunity does indeed abound for one and all in this country. That someone with the intellect of a slightly damp piece of lint could see the deputy prime ministership within her reach is a salutary reminder that the rhetoric of unequal opportunity is just a crock.

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  21. wiseowl (751 comments) says:

    I can’t believe Unity has so many down ticks.

    The best strategic vote this year would be to give the CP as many votes as possible and get them in there to reign in the arrogance that is beginning to grow amongst the Nats and to inject some principle into policy.

    MMP is a dog and anyone who votes for the Greens or any of the other destroyer parties is deluded.

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  22. Rex Widerstrom (5,253 comments) says:

    thedavincimode suggests:

    That someone with the intellect of a slightly damp piece of lint could see the deputy prime ministership within her reach is a salutary reminder that the rhetoric of unequal opportunity is just a crock.

    To be scrupulously fair, there’s enough damp lint balled up in Parliament to knit Dotcom a sweater and have enough left over to make him a scarf.

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  23. David Farrar (1,853 comments) says:

    With relation to the argument that some companies have more than once Vice-President, they miss a key point. Roles should be determined on need. I don’t think anyone can argue we need more than one Deputy PM. The Greens are insisting we should have two Deputy PMs because they have a world view that one Deputy PM must have a penis, and one must not have a penis.

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  24. OneTrack (2,564 comments) says:

    unity – “So forget Labour and the Greens and vote tactically giving your Party vote to either the Conservatives or NZ First.”

    Voting NZ First will be an enabling vote for the Green/Labour/Mana/NZ First taniwha.

    The Greens would still have a big say in what such a government did, even if they weren’t formally part of any coalition. Labour are currently incompetent, so it would be easy for Russel and co to simply push them around.

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  25. Longknives (4,390 comments) says:

    “They have a world view that one Deputy PM must have a penis, and one must not have a penis.”

    What about Hermaphrodites? Don’t they have any rights??

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  26. UglyTruth (3,929 comments) says:

    Roles should be determined on need.

    Need is the basis of lawlessness. (Bracton’s maxim)

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  27. lolitasbrother (467 comments) says:

    Agree with Farrar, the air has not harmed him, and of course he now has the second medallion of Quixote.
    We only have one PM, so why two deputy PM.
    Its just silly green mush, and as posted above only serves to upgrade expenses and cars.

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  28. geoff3012 (51 comments) says:

    I thought she had a penis………

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  29. tvb (4,193 comments) says:

    She sat there in her white jacket obviously bespoke showing off her ample frame making a claim for co deputy PM. Why stop there. She should start measuring the curtains for Premier House even before the votes are counted. God she will be awful imperious bossy the whole 9 yards. But the votes are not counted and National is odds on favorite to lead the next Government.

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  30. gazzmaniac (2,317 comments) says:

    They have a world view that one Deputy PM must have a penis, and one must not have a penis.

    What about Hermaphrodites? Don’t they have any rights??

    I thought she had a penis………

    Whether or not they have a penis, they’re all a bunch of cunts!

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  31. Unity (269 comments) says:

    We’re hitting a little below the belt aren’t we people. Excuse the pun!! Whatever the case, it seems we all have a very low opinion of the Greens. Let’s hope they get nowhere near the Government

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  32. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    If there is a need for two Deputy PMs, one with male parts and one with female parts and a castle. Then there is also a need for two PMs. Cunliffe and Fenton perhaps? They’d do press conferences together, go overseas to meet other world leaders together, chair cabinet meeting together, and share the prime ministerial BMW.

    Think of the statement this would send about gender equality in NZ. Helen Clark was PM on her own. John Key is PM on his own. But Cunliffe and Fenton would have each other, would wear matching knitted jumpers, and would eventually be able to finish each others prime ministerial sentences.

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  33. johnwellingtonwells (121 comments) says:

    davidp
    Could be like TV1 News

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  34. CrazyIvan (87 comments) says:

    Always thought the Greens had delusions of grandeur. Now they want to act like the Consuls of Rome…

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  35. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    David Farrar (1,809 comments) says:
    April 20th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    With relation to the argument that some companies have more than once Vice-President, they miss a key point. Roles should be determined on need. I don’t think anyone can argue we need more than one Deputy PM. The Greens are insisting we should have two Deputy PMs because they have a world view that one Deputy PM must have a penis, and one must not have a penis.
    =================================

    Talking of which, I recall an old friend telling me when i was a kid that one needed to tie a string on the old fella so one could find it when one went so high in the sky. Can you confirm that rumor DPF

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  36. Steve (North Shore) (4,490 comments) says:

    If the Greens should ever find themselves in this postion, make all of their MPs deputy leaders.
    That’s fair under Communism isn’t it? Wow, the all get the same salary – fucking troughers

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  37. mikenmild (10,611 comments) says:

    Seems a pretty harmless idea to me. Is there actually any objective reason why there shouldn’t be two deputies?

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  38. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Is Turei still the Deputy Leader of the Watermelons? The only voice I have heard speak for them for months has been the whiny Australian…

    Is anyone else having problems up/down ticking contributions?? I think it might be time for a visit to Noel Leeming…

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  39. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    When I try and up or down tick I am getting an error message “no database selected” and I can’t register a vote…is this happening to anyone else??

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  40. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    The “karma” system’s come undone DG…..it’s not your computer.

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  41. Steve (North Shore) (4,490 comments) says:

    What does
    Error: mysql: No database selected
    mean?

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  42. Monty (962 comments) says:

    No room in the country is big enough to contain the egos of the desperate. I can almost see NZ going back to the polls within 12 months if the coalition of the damned desperate losers get enough sweats to cobble together a ragtag government.

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  43. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Steve: That’s what I am getting too…must be the site and not my aging computer…

    Monty: We can only hope that it would disintegrate badly enough that soon..Although I hate to even think it, maybe we have to endure a term of Green-Mana-Labour chaos to teach the electorate what a bad idea it is…

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  44. Daigotsu (450 comments) says:

    Some countries have multiple deputy PMs, seems to work OK for them.

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  45. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    There would need to be an Alexander Haig rule, for clarity, as to whose turn it was to act as PM when John Key was out of the country, etc.

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  46. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Daigotsu: Please name a first world country that has multiple deputy PM’s..

    SPC: Welcome again Sir/Madam, to the forum where you can pretty much say what you like without being banned…WARNING: Being here and enjoying the unrestricted ebb and flow of discussion may make The Standard hard to take ..

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  47. Steve (North Shore) (4,490 comments) says:

    DG,
    What I am seeing here is there are no thumbs up, or down.
    The vote is 0^ and 0 down (wherevea that key is)

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  48. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Steve: Yes…I have exactly the same thing…Nasska tells me it is “the system” and not our computers…

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  49. Than (425 comments) says:

    Seems a pretty harmless idea to me. Is there actually any objective reason why there shouldn’t be two deputies?

    There would be a trivial but real monetary cost in salary and perks. It would complicate roles and responsibility in cabinet. Not the end of the world. But when the only reason for it is pandering to the Green’s quirky dual-leadership rule and being able to give both leaders the baubles of office, I don’t see that as being a compelling argument in favour.

    If both Green leaders want equality in the deputy PM role the obvious solution is to take turns. One leader for eighteen months then the other, or swap every six months, something of that nature. Asking for the bizarre and unprecedented situation of multiple Deputy PMs is ridiculous.

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  50. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Daigotsu: Still waiting…perhaps you are doing a bit of research to try and support your claim…

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  51. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Please name a first world country that has multiple deputy PM’s..

    The idea tickled me and a quick google turned up two, Singapore and Israel.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Prime_Minister_of_Singapore

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_leaders_of_Israel

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  52. peterwn (3,140 comments) says:

    Re ‘no database selected’ – all the content of Kiwiblog is stored in a database on some server and this message would be because of a programming bug. WordPress has just released a 3.9 version and it could be that it contains a bug despite thorough testing and best intentions.

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  53. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Cha: Well there ya go…the wonders of Mr Google…one certainly cant argue that Singapore is not a highly successful state…

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  54. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    I was pleasantly surprised too Dave.

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    Hello everyone;

    Your friendly Kiwiblog administrator debugging comment karma with WordPress 3.9 here! Pay me no heed.

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  56. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Tom: You have been unsuccessful thus far…

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    Hello everyone;

    Comment karma has been temporarily disabled as it’s an older plugin that’s not playing nicely with the modern settings on the server and the new WordPress. We’ll look into upgrading it if possible as soon as we can.

    –Tom@Inspire

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  58. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Yet another illustration of the fucking lunacy of endlessly “upgrading”…I LIKE Windown XP! I dont fucking want a computer with Windows 7 or 8…but Gates has ordered the world so we have no choice…

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  59. UglyTruth (3,929 comments) says:

    Try Linux, you can still run XP on it via VirtualBox

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  60. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    But does Word and Outlook run if Linux is the operating system??

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  61. thedavincimode (6,519 comments) says:

    I think we should all be deputy Prime Ministers. Why should anyone have to miss out? After all, that’s fair isn’t it?

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  62. Tom Ryder (4 comments) says:

    Hello again everyone;

    Comment karma has been re-enabled as I’ve found a workaround. Hopefully everything’s working as it should be now.

    –Tom@Inspire

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  63. OneTrack (2,564 comments) says:

    DG – If you want to stay with Word and Outlook, just bite the bullet and buy yourself a copy of Windows 7, or live dangerously and try Windows 8.1. ( if dpf can tackle Everest Base Camp, Windows 8 cant be that hard)

    Better still use it as an opportunity to get some modern hardware with 8.1 already installed. Laptops to support those two applications can be as cheap as, and you will be getting a bunch of modern interface options you possibly dont have ie wireless, SD cards, maybe even usb.

    If you want to stick it to Microsoft, another option would be to go full Linux, with Linux apps to replace Word and Outlook. There are Linux versions and apps that look similar to xp so the changeover for you shouldnt be hard.

    But, please, don’t continue to use XP on the Internet now it is not being patched. There are enough robots on the net as it is.

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  64. OneTrack (2,564 comments) says:

    Thanks Tom.

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  65. David Garrett (6,309 comments) says:

    Yep…you’ve cracked it Tom….computer engineering…brain surgery is less daunting to me…

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  66. Duxton (579 comments) says:

    David Garrett (5,131 comments) says:

    April 20th, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Daigotsu: Please name a first world country that has multiple deputy PM’s..

    Dave, I see that you have already been told about Singapore and Israel. Russia has several DPMs, and Ukraine and Greece also provide for more than one.

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  67. Duxton (579 comments) says:

    While Metiria’s suggestion is largely (entirely?) self-serving, perhaps we might be prepared to go along with the idea if she looked anything like Finland’s Deputy PM, Jutta Urpilainen…..

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Jutta+Urpilainen&rlz=1T4WQIA_enNZ534NZ535&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=_iJUU5WWN8eKkgX4h4GIAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1093&bih=490

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  68. Pete George (22,734 comments) says:

    I don’t see a problem in general with having two deputy Prime Ministers. And having someone like Turei to stand up to some of the Labour cabinet might do therm some good.

    The biggest problem with the idea is balance of power. Greens having positions 2= and 2= in cabinet would be a very hard sell, especially if Winston is in the mix, but even if it’s just Labour and Greens.

    They might be able to get around this by the Greens being allocated two positions in Cabinet’s ranking, say 2 and 6, with Norman and Turei alternating eighteen months in each position.

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  69. Dave Mann (1,168 comments) says:

    Well that settles it for me, then. I really hope our country can be more like the wonderful Russia, Ukraine and Greece, so I’ll be voting Green this year to get as many DPMs as we can!

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  70. Nostalgia-NZ (4,897 comments) says:

    I agree with the possibility. Particularly because of the specialities of the different portfolios they may hold. Don’t know how smoothly it work in a Labour cabinet though, especially one ‘enlarged’ by the potential presence of both the Greens and Winston none of whom have the reliable and steady presence of say a Bill English.

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  71. Jaffa (80 comments) says:

    Anyone who votes for any of them is clinically insane!

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  72. big bruv (13,210 comments) says:

    It will not be long before the Greens have three leaders, one male, one female and one transdgender.

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  73. Steve (North Shore) (4,490 comments) says:

    The Karma has been fixed, thanks Tom @ Inspire.
    I very rarely downtick – I think it is childish, however the green upticks gives an idea of who is bullshitting and who isn’t

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  74. OneTrack (2,564 comments) says:

    Pete – “I don’t see a problem in general with having two deputy Prime Ministers. ..”

    I don’t see the point with having two deputy prime ministers (prime ministers, finance ministers, speakers,….)

    What is the problem that is being solved, apart from keeping the Green’s happy? If Metiria wants to be Deputy Prime Minister, let her talk her Green cancus into it. Otherwise, get stuffed.

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  75. tvb (4,193 comments) says:

    Ms Turei wants to be a Co Deputy PM Dr Norman wants to be Deputy PM. In fact he staked out the ground first, nothing about “co” in his grab. Winston wants it. Let all god’s chillin’ be Deputy PM

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  76. mikenmild (10,611 comments) says:

    Winston will be it, propping up National. Unless he holds out for Co-PM.

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  77. deadrightkev (273 comments) says:

    One of your better suggestions for the left David. I applaud the sentiment but Hone and Winston would scrap over the baubles.

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  78. Liberty (233 comments) says:

    “tactically giving your Party vote to either the Conservatives or NZ First.”
    Unity. People have been certified for less.

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