10 year passports

May 30th, 2014 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

Claire Trevett at NZ Herald reports:

A return to 10-year appears to be on the horizon after the Prime Minister said the Government was considering the issue and advice was that modern biometrics technology was strong enough to address passport fraud security issues.

Mr Key said yesterday he would not rule it out after a select committee report recommended 10-year passports almost a decade after New Zealand moved to 5 year passports. That was in response to security concerns after the New York Twin Tower attacks on September 11 2001.

He expected the cost of a 10-year passport would be more than a 5-year passport, but for many people it was an issue of convenience rather than cost.

Mr Key said New Zealand had expected most other countries would also move to shorter term passports. However, that had not happened – countries including Australia and the United States were still at 10-year lengths. “I think the general view of officials has started to be that if you really wanted to move to 10 years, you wouldn’t be out of step with other countries.”

He was waiting for Internal Affairs Minister Peter Dunne to report to the Government on the matter, which he expected to happen soon.

That sounds encouraging. As many countries won’t let you travel within six months of your passport expiring, a five year term is really too short.

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41 Responses to “10 year passports”

  1. Chthoniid (2,029 comments) says:

    Yup, it is for practical purposes, really a 4 1/2 year passport. It’s not long enough.

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  2. anonymouse (708 comments) says:

    @Chthoniid , you don’t even get the excess from the previous passport when you apply for a new one before the old one expires,

    5 Years is too short,

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  3. Tautaioleua (292 comments) says:

    “He expected the cost of a 10-year passport would be more than a 5-year passport, but for many people it was an issue of convenience rather than cost”.

    How much more? if it’s twice as much, I’d be spewing.

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  4. Monique Angel (265 comments) says:

    It’s not going to happen. Security risk is too high. USA won’t allow transition through it ‘s airports without sufficient tenure. And it ‘smoothing renewing a passport offshore compared to renewing NZ drivers license.

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  5. Unity (415 comments) says:

    I believe most countries have 10 year passports so that won’t be a problem for the US. However, saying a 10 year passport will cost more than a 5 year passport means that the latter was just a money making exercise like I’ve always thought it was. Security concerns were just an excuse. Why should 10 year passports cost more when there would be much less work than renewing passports every 4 1/2 years which was what had to happen if your passport was to have the required 6 months left on it? Possibly less than 4 1/2 years because you had to allow the time for it to be renewed which was another couple of weeks at least. It’s always been most inconvenient with the shorter time passports.

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  6. kowtow (7,953 comments) says:

    While they’re at it they can de Maorify the damned things.

    They’re like an over decorated tackey ticket to some Maoriland Rotovegas bad taste event.

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  7. Mrs Trellis (34 comments) says:

    Interesting that Trevor Mallard is leading the charge….. he was part of the lot who introduced it…..

    Lest we forget :)

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  8. Monique Angel (265 comments) says:

    I mean, “It’s nothing renewing a passport compared to renewing NZdrivers license.

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  9. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    We have 12 month WOF’s now so I spose this is possible

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  10. gump (1,553 comments) says:

    What a great idea.

    Please make it happen.

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  11. Big Haz (2 comments) says:

    If you are travelling to China they require that you have nine months to go on you passport. So you get only 51 months on a five year and 113 on a ten year. I see John Key thinks the costs should go up for a ten year passport. What utter tosh. They should remain the same as the costs remain the same. The reason for cutting back from ten to five years look very shallow now. It looks more like public servants expanded their empires to gouge more fees from a monopoly.

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  12. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Why would the price have to go up? Bloody Key trying to extract more money from unsuspecting and defenseless citizens.

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  13. mandk (885 comments) says:

    @ Tautaioleua,

    I don’t see why it should be any more expensive than a 5 year passport.

    Is the processing cost any greater? If not we’re talking about revenue raising, not user pays.

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  14. Colville (2,191 comments) says:

    Manolo.
    Pour yourself something nice and calm down :-)

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  15. m@tt (612 comments) says:

    “While they’re at it they can de Maorify the damned things.”
    Or you could just go find a less Maori country to be a citizen of.

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  16. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (839 comments) says:

    I still vividly remember the drama created by some left wing nutters and civil libery maniacs when Lockwood Smith introduced photo driver licenses….the world didn’t end as they predicted….

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  17. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Pour yourself something nice and calm down

    @Colville: I write these lines in a peaceful state of mind after sipping a couple of drams of Glenlivet 18 y.o. True peace and tranquility in a glass.

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  18. ross411 (296 comments) says:

    Is it possible to put in a OIA request to whatever department to get the cost of a passport quantified? Or some similar thing?

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  19. doggone7 (756 comments) says:

    Peter Dunne was on tv saying the 10 year ones would cost more. Translation; “Passports to us are just another revenue gathering opportunity.”

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  20. rouppe (945 comments) says:

    There is no way it should cost more. They are sitting on a slush fund, the production cost does not increase simply by extending the validity period, and they can get rid of some staff, lowering the cost of the department.

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  21. peterwn (3,215 comments) says:

    Interestingly UK lets you renew their passports up to 9 months before expiry, and the new passport lasts for 10 years from the expiry date. Canada has recently gone to 10 year passports (it is worth noting that Canada prints NZ passports at the same plant). NZ should go the whole hog and follow UK practice – the Yanks seem to have no objection to this.

    The bureaucrats argued that fewer nations would grant NZ passport holders if it went to 10 years, but this has not stopped nations giving UK passport holders visa free access (the vias free lists are almost the same between UK and NZ, the only difference I could find is Paraguay wants visas for NZ passport holders, but not UK passport holders).

    I strongly suspect Peter Dunne has been banging some heads about this since becoming Internal Affairs Minister. Good on him! and shame on the former Internal Affairs Ministers (particularly the National ones) for being captured by the bureaucrats. How to lose elections and influence people to be apathetic.

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  22. slijmbal (1,224 comments) says:

    As an adopted Kiwi I get to have both NZ and UK citizenship – this whole 5 year passport crap means I ended up with keeping both a NZ and UK passport as 4.5 years is just a ludicrously short time. Don’t travel for a couple of years and it’s very easy to end up without a valid passport. Gets worse as I have to pay for a returning residents visa on my UK passport despite being a citizen.

    I also have to laugh at the automated systems at passport control – if you’re quite short sighted as I am – and as you have to use the things without glasses they just don’t work. The distance is too great to stare at the right spot etc.

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  23. Alan (1,082 comments) says:

    Why would you want to have a RRV on a UK passport if you are a NZ citizen?

    In fact as a citizen, surely they wouldn’t issue you with an rrv.

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  24. JMS (314 comments) says:

    Why would you want to have a RRV on a UK passport if you are a NZ citizen?

    Good question.

    Another question; why not just use the UK passport with an NZ-RRV and not bother renewing the NZ passport?
    RRVs are valid for as long as the passport they are attached to. For a UK passport that would be 10 years.
    Would save quite a bit of money and effort.

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  25. JMS (314 comments) says:

    In fact as a citizen, surely they wouldn’t issue you with an rrv.

    Probably a data-matching glitch at Internal Affairs.

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  26. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Sir Cullen’s Sidekick (678 comments) says:
    May 30th, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    the world didn’t end as they predicted….

    No, but the world as they knew it, did. The world is now a very different place, one where there isn’t any trust – a simple signature or a shake of the hand means nothing – it is a world dominated by corrupt practices. The world where one did not have to have a photograph to confirm an identity, has long disappeared.

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  27. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    It’s cause folk lie about their BMI, waist measurement and sexual attractiveness Judith that these simple freedoms have disappeared! :)

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  28. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (13,908 comments) says:
    May 30th, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    You think that people who lie about their vital statistics are responsible for the requirement of photos on drivers licences?

    What have you been smoking?

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  29. WineOh (608 comments) says:

    10 year passport makes total sense. The extra age of biometric data held on the chips surely isn’t that much of a big deal, people don’t change eye colour or height very rapidly.

    I’d be curious as to what the rationale behind a cost increase would be- assuming that the current charge is a cost-recovery of the direct costs of processing and issuing the passports themselves, but also the administration of managing the data with our cross border ‘allies’ for the life of the passport?

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  30. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Gave that up 16 years ago Judith.

    Photos on drivers licences are a jolly good idea so even ugly folks like you can get mobile darling! :)

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  31. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    Did making that comment allow you to feel like a real man, Johnboy?

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  32. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    I’m beginning to think you’re Minus Judith and you’ve roped in some of your retard family to add more minus votes! :)

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  33. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    I think you over value you importance Johnboy.

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  34. slijmbal (1,224 comments) says:

    @Alan and JMS

    they insist on an RRV in a UK passport even if you’re a kiwi citizen if you wish to enter NZ on that passport. They also insist on you paying for it.

    Oddly enough, I have an NZ passport because I’m now a Kiwi – strange that. Happy one at that.

    I only do the UK backup because of the stupid 4.5 year NZ passport – not my preference – call it insurance.

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  35. gump (1,553 comments) says:

    @ross411

    “Is it possible to put in a OIA request to whatever department to get the cost of a passport quantified? Or some similar thing?”

    ——————

    The DIA is specifically prohibited from running the passport issuing system at a profit.

    The issuing and renewal fees are only allowed to cover the costs of administering the system.

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  36. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    I think you’re a snitchy old tart that doesn’t realise that we treat you as one step up the ladder from Penny to be honest Judith! :)

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  37. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Gee three folks think Judith isn’t a snitchy old tart.

    Thank goodness the other 8 billion folk in the world didn’t think she was worth voting for! :)

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  38. Bob (496 comments) says:

    I am an Australian citizen living in New Zealand for many years I must say. I renewed my passport in 2012. It is current only until 2017. Whether living in another country or the fact I am retired has anything to do with it I don’t know. All my previous but outdated passports were for 10 years.

    Incidentally previously I had to present myself at the Auckland consulate to renew my passport. I was surprised when my last application was processed over the phone and a passport issued in a very reasonable time.

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  39. calendar girl (1,203 comments) says:

    “The DIA is specifically prohibited from running the passport issuing system at a profit.
    The issuing and renewal fees are only allowed to cover the costs of administering the system.”

    Without seeing that rule written into black-letter law, I would never accept it as the policy of any government department. Who made the specific prohibition, and how is it enforced?

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  40. peterwn (3,215 comments) says:

    In fairness to DIA, there are continuing costs associated with issued passports, so a 10 year passport would have a higher issue price than a 5 year one. Similarly a ‘first time’ passport would be more expensive than renewals because of security checks etc and this cost spread among all passport issues would be higher per passport for 10 year passports. However the extra cost would be unlikely to be 30% more.

    One problem with ‘user pays’ government services is there is limited incentive to keep costs at a minimum. There is also an incentive for departmental cost accountants to allocate as much as possible against user pays services for general overheads.

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  41. Warren Murray (293 comments) says:

    Really look forward to this change. Dont know why it would cost more, should be less, unless the original change to five years was to double the government’s revenue. If so, to be fiscally neutral, they would have to double the price. Hope I’m wrong.

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