Daryl Jones

May 1st, 2014 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

A New Zealander killed by a United States drone strike in Yemen has been named by an Australian newspaper as .

He was identified by The Australian, which said Jones was married with children. According to those who knew him he had lived in Sydney and attended Australia’s largest mosque, the Lakemba Mosque in southwest Sydney.

Jones, who had dual New Zealand and Australian citizenship, was killed last November in a US Predator drone strike on a convoy of al Qaeda militants in Yemen. He was not the target of the strike.

Jones reportedly went by the name of “Muslim bin John” and fought under the name “Abu Suhaib al-Australi”.

Sad for his family, but if you go to a foreign war zone and join a war – then you introduce considerable risk to yourself.

Not many people in New Zealand get killed by predator drones!

The Australian reports:

“They were foot soldiers,’’ the counter-terrorism official said, concerning the role played by the two in AQAP. “And there was a suggestion they were involved in kidnapping Westerners for ransom.’

They were not the targets of the strike. They were collateral damage, which often happens (sadly) in wars.

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73 Responses to “Daryl Jones”

  1. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    Sorry – he was never collateral damage. He was an enemy combatant who got what he wanted. Hope he is enjoying his virgins.

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  2. James Stephenson (2,191 comments) says:

    Collateral damage is anything that wasn’t the intended target, the innocence or otherwise of the victim is irrelevant.

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  3. holysheet (402 comments) says:

    Good riddance, If you play with fire expect the consequences.
    That comment about virgins has intrigued me. I know if you are a male you get 70 virgins, but what does a female suicide bomber get?
    It must be becoming harder and harder to find enough virgins of either gender to satisfy the demand

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  4. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    slightly off topic but i used to frequent a great rub n tug place in the Lakemba..

    on topic – couldnt care less what this guys passport said. he was killed legally by Obama who has permission to send drones into yemen .. i guess.

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  5. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    But..but… Jack Tame says it is murder!
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11241090

    As an aside- Who the hell would want 70 virgins? Wouldn’t you want some ‘experience’ in the mix??

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  6. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    They were not the targets of the strike. They were collateral damage, which often happens (sadly) in wars.

    The US is at war with Yemen?!

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  7. David Farrar (1,899 comments) says:

    The US is at war with terrorists operating in Yemen. Country wars were so 1990s.

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  8. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    Longknives – the dudes not real bright.

    “Need I remind readers that some of the militaries running drones are the same ones who lack the technology to find a fully laden Boeing 777?”

    Idiot.

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  9. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    Sadness? The demise of a violent jihadist should always be a reason for joy and celebration.

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  10. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    The US is at war with terrorists operating in Yemen. Country wars were so 1990s.

    So if there was a prima facie case of someone being responsible for breaching the Geneva Conventions in this war, they could end up at The Hague?

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  11. tvb (4,432 comments) says:

    Obama’s drone strikes are of dubious legality. But they are a whole lot easier than rounding them up and shipping them off to Guantanamo.

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  12. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    “So if there was a prima facie case of someone being responsible for breaching the Geneva Conventions in this war, they could end up at The Hague?”

    did shit bag islamic terrorists sign up to it? or does that not matter?

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  13. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Ryan Obama is slaughtering Africans all over the place. He put troops into 35 African countries last year. You would be surprised how many countries are at war with Israel America. I bet you did not know the biggest threat to the worlds most massive military were dirt poor peasants in a place most Yanks could not find on a map ?

    Most of the victims are civilians. Anyone killed, the US simply attaches the label terrorist and mindless masses buy it. As per above.

    That will teach them for being born into a Muslim country I guess.

    The War On Terror Spreads to Africa: U.S. Sending Troops to 35 African Nations
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/01/the-war-on-terror-spreads-to-africa-u-s-sending-troops-to-35-african-nations.html

    A few more facts about the AIPAC puppet Obama:

    http://stpeteforpeace.org/factsheets/obama.html

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  14. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    So if there was a prima facie case of someone being responsible for breaching the Geneva Conventions in this war, they could end up at The Hague?

    Ryan you really are thick. No international law or convention applies to the worlds two biggest Jewish countries. Israel and America.

    If those restrictions applied to God Chosen ones then it would be found no two countries on Earth have breached so many laws and conventions. Obama would hang for war crimes and Israel would be under occupation from “Peace Keepers”.

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  15. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    So if there was a prima facie case of someone being responsible for breaching the Geneva Conventions in this war, they could end up at The Hague?

    Irregular forces don’t get a lot of rights under the conventions, so highly unlikely any Americans would end up there.

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  16. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    did shit bag islamic terrorists sign up to it? or does that not matter?

    No, they didn’t. And no, it doesn’t matter any more than it matters when criminals don’t sign up to the police force’s codes of conduct.

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  17. James Stephenson (2,191 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t you want some ‘experience’ in the mix??

    Billy Connolly: “Give me two fire-breathing hooors any day of the week!”

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  18. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    Irregular forces don’t get a lot of rights under the conventions, so highly unlikely any Americans would end up there.

    Interesting. What about collateral killing of civilians?

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  19. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    The entire War on Terror is a war on people unsympathetic to Israel. This global war is done on demand of AIPAC. None of the people under attack are natural enemies of the US.

    No one gets to high office in the US without having a view AIPAC approves of. Obama is their boy and was brought and paid for with the most expensive campaign in human history.

    That is why this kiwi boy is dead.

    =====================

    AIPAC thanks Obama for ‘steadfast support’

    WASHINGTON – The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) thanked US President Barack Obama and other elected leaders for “steadfast” support of Israel, in a rare statement issued Sunday ahead of Rosh Hashana.

    AIPAC has traditional conservative views, which has led left-leaning Jews to establish J Street, an organization which aims to speak for moderates among American Jews.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4283241,00.html

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  20. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Best news ever,blow his shitty arsed body to his God so he can reap his rewards.

    Obama ,thanks for getting rid of a drain on NZ society.
    Hope he paid off his student loan?

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  21. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    I doubt it will happen Ryan, but I’d love to see Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize winner, fronting up at The Hague for war crimes :)

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  22. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    I doubt it will happen Ryan, but I’d love to see a Nobel Peace Prize winner fronting up at The Hague for war crimes

    Me too. Goddam, Obama getting the Peace Prize was the most surreal fucking thing ever.

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  23. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    They were not the targets of the strike. They were collateral damage, which often happens (sadly) in wars.

    collateral damage
    Military slang for the mass murder of civilians through the use of weapons which are known in advance to be imprecise and/or to cause damage across a large area (e.g. cluster bombs).

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=collateral%20damage

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  24. James Stephenson (2,191 comments) says:

    I dunno Ryan, the entire EU getting it pushes it very close.

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  25. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    My vote would be the UN being awarded it “for their work for a better organized and more peaceful world”

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  26. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    Is Ugly really the odious George Galloway in disguise?

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  27. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    “Best news ever,blow his shitty arsed body to his God ”

    Same God as the Jews and Christstains. Just sayin :)

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  28. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Interesting. What about collateral killing of civilians?

    Not much show there either. It’s kind of assumed that the odd civilian will get shot, burned, blown to bits etc – the main thing is not to deliberately target them. And even if you do deliberately target them, you have to lose the conflict and fall into the hands of your enemies to get shipped to the Hague for it.

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  29. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    So not really a New Zealander then?

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  30. Fentex (986 comments) says:

    if you go to a foreign war zone and join a war

    Yemen is not a “warzone”, the U.S has definitely not declared war on Yemen. Support the tactics of drone attacks if you like but don’t try and pretend it’s as normalised or legal an activity as fighting a declared war.

    It’s a more limited policy in some ways, more excessive in others, and as a secretive process at tremendous risk of abuse.

    I think it’s shameful that our government hasn’t the balls to so much as dare openly ask the U.S to justify this killing of a New Zealander. They don’t have to take a strong position on the matter to show some minimal concern for the process of how NZ citizens are executed by foreign powers.

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  31. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    Not much show there either. It’s kind of assumed that the odd civilian will get shot, burned, blown to bits etc – the main thing is not to deliberately target them. And even if you do deliberately target them, you have to lose the conflict and fall into the hands of your enemies to get shipped to the Hague for it.

    In other words, the only way the US (or anyone) can be done for international crimes is if they get beaten militarily? That’s a bit depressing.

    Though in 1986, Nicaragua successfully took the US to court for training and arming local terrorists. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States)

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  32. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    They might have been an aside to the strike but collateral damage to me are civilians not combatants. I’m on the “tough shit” side of the ledger I am afraid.

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  33. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    What is the government’s attitude to this killing? It appears that it has taken no stance at all, implying that it is perfectly ok for the US to kill New Zealanders.

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  34. lilman (960 comments) says:

    I hope any Kiwi going to areas to inflict shit on women and others ,because that’s all Islam is,a way to subdue women and their rights,should be dispatched.
    Mike I challenge you to go to that country ,stand up and say there is no god,that all religion is shit and you daughter can wear a bikini and drive and go to school,and do what ever she wants,lets see how that goes?

    Bet you wont ?

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  35. holysheet (402 comments) says:

    Thats okay miken, he was only half NZ the other half was an aussie. who is going to complain about that?

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  36. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    Milkmilo: …implying that it is perfectly ok for the US to kill New Zealanders.

    It should read:… implying that it is… not a matter of importance to the New Zealand Government that the US killed a New Zealander (who lives in Sydney and has dual Australian citizenship), who was operating in Yemen as a mercenary for Al Qaeda.

    Sorted.

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  37. Ed Snack (1,883 comments) says:

    Note that it is also a war crime to conduct actions with the deliberate cover of civilians, and not a crime to strike at those so doing, “collateral damage” not withstanding. Note also that the Geneva convention only applies to wars between states and specifically does not apply here although countries can agree to abide by them.

    I do think we have a situation that does require definition and guidance. These asymmetric “wars” are not new but we do strive to behave in appropriate ways according to agreed rules in all warfare (assuming it is necessary) do we not ? I don’t believe that you can classify and international guerrilla conflict such as AQ against the USA (and other countries) as mere criminal actions governed by the criminal code. Criminal codes are not designed to cater for deliberate attempts to kill large numbers of civilians by groups of people with a common cause; perhaps they can cope with mass murderers because these are of the nature of a crime, aberrant as such actions are. But a deliberate campaign to target citizens of one state or people of some category needs, IMHO to have a new definition and to be treated more as a war than as mere crimes.

    Right now there are no specific rules or laws, and yes, one often has to be the winner to prosecute the losers, Nuremburg showed us that; no Soviets were ever prosecuted for Katyn or the numerous other crimes that (for example) the Soviet forces committed. Similarly Cuban troops committed a number of documented atrocities in Angola and other places, and none have been ever indited.

    And poor Kea, the Joooos still run the world, in your tiny anti-semitic mind.

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  38. Harriet (4,988 comments) says:

    They should blow up the entire suburb of Lakemba – as it really is part of the Al-quada Middle East than democratic Australia!

    Nearly all the ‘aussie’ terrorists and insurgents who fight and/or get killed in the ME are from the Lakemba Mosque district.

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  39. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    “What is the government’s attitude to this killing? It appears that it has taken no stance at all, implying that it is perfectly ok for the US to kill New Zealanders.”

    Seriously Mikey?? I worry about you sometimes…

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  40. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    I know I feel safer now, knowing that a bunch of Christian warmongers are killing peasants and Kiwis in deepest Africa to appease another bunch of Jesus hating religious supremacists in Israel. :)

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  41. Grant (444 comments) says:

    Beware the Americans Mikey.
    They’ve been reading your comments and are going to send a drone around to your place any time now. All because our government has “taken no stance” , which, according to your logic, they’ve taken as permission to kill New Zealanders, (ie you).
    G

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  42. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Don’t you think our government should say something? Doesn’t John Key’s silence imply that he is quite comfortable with this turn of events?

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  43. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    I think John Key should thank the yanks for wiping this piece of Human Excrement off the planet!
    Allahu Akbar!!

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  44. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Ed Snack, It amazes me how apologists for Israel will cheekily dismiss international law and conventions, then use international laws and conventions to defend the establishment of Israel or the actions taken subsequent. The religious fantasy land of Israel is a fake country established by self appointed authorities. If you want to ignore international rulings then good-bye religious disney land of Israel.

    The message is clear from you supremacist fanatics. Jews are Gods own Master Race and nothing they do can be condemned. Man made rules only apply to the mud race Goyim who are more like beasts than men and are only there to serve the Jew.

    How else do you explain the in-your-face bias and double standards on display.

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  45. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    “Allahu Akbar!!”

    Two more times and your there Longknives :)

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  46. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    mikenmild, what do you think Key should say? Something different than what he said in the video here?
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/9996292/Dead-NZ-al-Qaeda-member-named-as-Daryl-Jones

    My take on it is that he isn’t silent about it, but is comfortable with the turn of events. Frankly I don’t have a problem with it. Al Qaeda has declared they’re at war with the West, and this guy was fighting for Al Qaeda. What more to it can there be?

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  47. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    In other words, the only way the US (or anyone) can be done for international crimes is if they get beaten militarily? That’s a bit depressing.

    It’s sad but true. The allies didn’t prosecute their own war crimes at Nuremberg, and the Soviet Union had committed easily as many as Germany, up to and including “waging aggressive war,” ie head of state level. In theory, arrest warrants could be issued for Vladimir Putin right now for ordering Soviet, sorry Russian troops without identifying markings into Ukraine, but it ain’t gonna happen. Likewise Bush and Blair for waging aggressive war.

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  48. Crusader (317 comments) says:

    Anti Semitism is pretty ugly stuff, Kea.

    As for me, I shed no tears for this crazy jihadist, Kiwi, Aussie or whatever. He put himself in harm’s way with intent to wage war on those of us who refuse to follow Sharia Law. Do you really want your women dressed in Burquas, and stoned for going to school?

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  49. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    “Anti Semitism is pretty ugly stuff, Kea.” & ” Do you really want your women dressed in Burquas, and stoned for going to school?”

    As is anti any religious group. There is nothing at all special about Jews. Calling Israel and Jews to account the same as other groups is not anti semetic. And so what if it was ?

    How about the acid attacks, beatings, morality patrols, women being made to dress in conservative clothes, sit at the back of the bus, segregation of the sexes in ISRAEL ?

    Nah did not think so. Disgusting bigot.

    ===============================================================

    The photo with this story shows young Jewish girls wearing nun-like habits in black. This photo should be shown beside a photo of Malala Yousafzai, with the caption: “How extremism in religions deprive girls of their childhood and wishes to take away their freedoms in later life.”

    The photo with this story shows young Jewish girls wearing nun-like habits in black. This photo should be shown beside a photo of Malala Yousafzai, with the caption: “How extremism in religions deprive girls of their childhood and wishes to take away their freedoms in later life.”

    Kudos to Jonathan Kay for discussing the problems of sex abuse within some ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities. If a Jew reveals to Gentiles not only the pedophilia but also the fanaticism and xenophobia of these fundamentalist communities (which sometimes are known as Haredi),

    In my view, the rise of Haredism is the worst phenomenon to occur to Jews since the Holocaust. Haredim are the fastest growing segment of Jews in Israel and the Diaspora because of their huge birthrate.

    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/11/27/todays-letters-ultra-orthodox-religions-are-fundamentally-wrong/

    In Israel, a modesty patrol (Hebrew: משמרת צניעות; also modesty guard, modesty squad, chastity squad) is the name given to vigilante gangs which act to enforce a code of modesty among the Haredi public through violence and intimidation.

    In June 2008, a modesty patrol in Beitar Illit was suspected of spilling acid on a teenage girl for wearing trousers.[8][9]

    In August 2008, the Israel State Prosecutor’s office indicted seven men, allegedly from a Jerusalem modesty squad, for beating a woman and threatening her with death regarding her relationships with men. The ringleader was charged with conspiracy to commit a crime, aggravated assault, and extortion. In the same month, a man said to be a member of a chastity squad was arrested for alleged involvement in the torching of a store selling MP4 players.[10]

    In February 2012, a 70-year-old haredi woman was attacked and beaten in her home by a Modesty Patrol who suspected her of being a Christian missionary.[11]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modesty_patrol

    [DPF: Off topic 10 demerits]

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  50. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Arab victim ‘stabbed 10 times by haredim’

    Christian Arab assaulted near Safed says ‘Jews’ racism against us has reached point of real violence’

    Alber Halul, who was stabbed Saturday night by a group of masked men he claims are haredim, recounted the attack Sunday. “They threatened to shoot us if we resisted and stabbed me 10 times – in my head, my leg, and my neck,” he told Ynet.

    Halul, a 22-year old Christian Arab from the Galilee town of Gush Halav, was assaulted while with a group of friends at Ein Zeitim forest, near Safed.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4045047,00.html

    Ultra-Orthodox spitting attacks on Old City clergymen becoming daily

    Clergymen in the Armenian Church in Jerusalem say they are victims of harassment, from senior cardinals to priesthood students; when they do complain, the police don’t usually find the perpetrators.

    Ultra-Orthodox young men curse and spit at Christian clergymen in the streets of Jerusalem’s Old City as a matter of routine.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/ultra-orthodox-spitting-attacks-on-old-city-clergymen-becoming-daily-1.393669

    [Crusader, I suspect you are another liar for Israel, so before you start lying this comes from a anti semetic site you first had better check the source you little creep]

    [DPF: 10 demerits off topic]

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  51. MT_Tinman (3,205 comments) says:

    mikenmild (8,975 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 6:29 pm
    Don’t you think our government should say something? Doesn’t John Key’s silence imply that he is quite comfortable with this turn of events?

    I hope so, I certainly am.

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  52. dirty harry (504 comments) says:

    you’re a hand-wringing dickhead milkmike..

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  53. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    One way to ensure there will always be a steady stream of potential recruits for organisations like Al Qaeda would be to carry out the regular extra-judicial killings to which the US security apparatus has committed itself. These killings inflame terrorism, which seems to be the whole point of the exercise. By ensuring there are always going to be more terrorists to ‘defend’ itself against the US media/establishment need not worry about examining the underlying causes of the growing animosity they have been creating, they can just dismiss the violence directed at them as the irrational acts of unbalanced militants who are just born that way (“Its a Commie Gook Arab Muslim thing, they just don’t understand our inherent moral superiority.”).

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  54. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes, the US certainly doesn’t seem to be interested in winning the ‘War on Terror'; just prolonging it.

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  55. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Why should Key or our govt. give a toss about Kiwi’s who go overseas and create trouble. Those people need to take responsibility for thier own actions. If ya get shot. bombed, killed , locked up because of your own behavoir tough titty.
    The world is a tough place to be.
    Now I am talking about bad bastards not the odd dope smuggler nut who also must be aware of the consequences of breaking the law in other lands.

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  56. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    ” These killings inflame terrorism”

    Bollocks, this is another lie trotted out by those who want to appease Islam. It makes no difference what the west does to Islam, it has a stated intention of wiping out all those who do not follow their god.

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  57. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    ‘I do think we have a situation that does require definition and guidance. These asymmetric “wars” are not new but we do strive to behave in appropriate ways according to agreed rules in all warfare (assuming it is necessary) do we not ? I don’t believe that you can classify and international guerrilla conflict such as AQ against the USA (and other countries) as mere criminal actions governed by the criminal code. Criminal codes are not designed to cater for deliberate attempts to kill large numbers of civilians by groups of people with a common cause; perhaps they can cope with mass murderers because these are of the nature of a crime, aberrant as such actions are. But a deliberate campaign to target citizens of one state or people of some category needs, IMHO to have a new definition and to be treated more as a war than as mere crimes.’

    I like the above by Ed Snack. There’s a big reality gap in assuming that because a group doesn’t have the ability to fight a conventional war then no rules of engagement need apply.

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  58. blondewithaniq (24 comments) says:

    ‘Sad for his family, but if you go to a foreign war zone and join a war – then you introduce considerable risk to yourself.
    Not many people in New Zealand get killed by predator drones!’

    YET?

    Evidence wise .. Key Joyce Coleman McCully etc are guiltier by ‘association’ as accessories to an extrajudicial unlawful execution contrary and in contravention of Article 10 of the Universal Bill of Rights than the ‘alleged accusations of association’ levelled at Mr Jones for which we have seen no proof whatsoever
    ..
    I note the USA have no problem funding and arming the remenants of the group they originally founded in Afghanistan to fight the Russians who are now offshoot ALQ in Syria and elsewhere and doing their bidding.
    The lame excuses being trotted out here to legitimise the illegitimate mindbogglingly could be straight off a Fox affiliated blog..

    High time USA’s man in Parnell went back to serve his masters in their country before some in China realise what a twofaced game he is playing.
    Thankfully as the stench of coalition corruption liquefying all over the place here now finally becomes too strong for even the most simple-minded to overlook that so many of you aren’t concerned at the precedent he just set no that surprising either but looking potentially promising,..
    I hope the new coalition tells the CIA killers of the U.S never again a New Zealander EVER.
    Their interpretation of ‘terrorist’ is as loose and frightening as Williamson and Bank’s grasp of ‘interference’.

    http://www.alterpolitics.com/politics/video-compilation-of-u-s-politicians-political-analysts-declaring-wikileaks-julian-assange-a-terrorist/
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/19/1047077/-Occupy-Movement-Placed-on-Terrorist-Watch-List-by-London-Police#

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  59. DJP6-25 (1,388 comments) says:

    So, I guess he spent a frantic few seconds afterwards wondering why ‘stop, drop, and roll’ wasn’t working?

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  60. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Evidence wise .. Key Joyce Coleman McCully etc are guiltier by ‘association’ as accessories to an extrajudicial unlawful execution contrary and in contravention of Article 10 of the Universal Bill of Rights than the ‘alleged accusations of association’ levelled at Mr Jones for which we have seen no proof whatsoever

    Bollocks, pure and simple. You join an irregular military unit to fight a war against your own or another country, and you leave the category of private citizen covered by civilian criminal law. You now fall under the conventions relating to warfare against irregular military units, and your rights are practically nonexistent. The opposing regular military units are free to attack and kill you without warning – which is what happened in this case. My suggestion is not to join irregular military units.

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  61. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt (2,035 comments) says:
    May 2nd, 2014 at 6:28 am

    Bollocks, pure and simple. You join an irregular military unit to fight a war against your own or another country, and you leave the category of private citizen covered by civilian criminal law.

    This alarming degree of faith in the intelligence gathering capabilities of the CIA’s Yemen branch is disturbing in its naïveté. Just because a foreign secret security service carrying out an assassination in one of its foreign client states says those they killed were guilty does not prove anything other than the trigger happy blood lust of those carrying out the assassination.

    If these people are in Yemen they are the problem of the Yemeni authorities not the US’s supranational killing program.

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  62. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    [DPF: Off topic 10 demerits] x2

    No David the “Off topic” comment was the one I was responding to. (Yeah I know it made the Master Race, and its supporters, look bad. The truth will tend to do that.)

    This is your blog so you make the rules. But it is way too late for you to pretend you do not have a double standard in defense of gods favourites. I am opposed to religious persecution and my values are not variable, so demerit away if you think it secures you a spot in heaven. It won’t

    I am sure you can understand as you do not behave this way with other subjects. It is just the corrupting effect of your god-goggles blinding you. You should simply state your position in your disclosure statement, which would clear up all this confusion.

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  63. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    ” I am opposed to religious persecution”

    Utter bollocks. Unless I am very much mistaken you are just another apologist for the religion of peace. That same religion of peace is determined to destroy the state of Israel and all Jews.

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  64. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    big bruv, what a remarkable conclusion given my repeatedly stated position that I am against singling out particular religions. What I am clearly opposing is the suspension of logic, double standards etc.

    A clear example is some creep calling me an anti semite and pretending its all about womens clothing. When presented [IN REPLY] with an article written by a Jew complaining about the identical conservative dress standards imposed on Jewish women I get demerits for being off topic !

    Get a brain and open your eyes idiot, or check your moral compass.

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  65. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    Kea

    Gee, I wonder why you have been called an anti semite?

    Might it be your endless attacks on the state of Israel?, or might it be your deluded defence of the religion of peace?

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  66. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    big bruv (12,422 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    [yoza]” These killings inflame terrorism”

    Bollocks, this is another lie trotted out by those who want to appease Islam. It makes no difference what the west does to Islam, it has a stated intention of wiping out all those who do not follow their god.

    It is interesting you would use the exact same rationale Al Qaeda would when for casting for recruits. The only real difference is when Al Qaeda states the imperialist West is intent on exterminating Muslims they have an inexhaustible roll of past examples to provide as ‘proof’, whereas there is not the same mountain of evidence underpinning the “Muslims are coming, they’re gonna kill us all!” nonsense explicit in the “It makes no difference what the west does to Islam, it has a stated intention of wiping out all those who do not follow their god” blurb.

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  67. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    big bruv, so when someone complains how muslim nutters dress women and I respond with how jew nutters dress theirs that is an attack on Israel. When I post articles written by jews and rabbis on major Israeli news sites in Israel, that is an attack on Jews.

    You fucking moron.

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  68. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    Yoza

    Are you seriously suggesting that we in the west should appease Islam?. The religion that is intolerant of woman’s rights, gay rights, religious rights and western culture.

    You might be inflicted with a bad case of progressive western guilt but I sure as hell am not. Islam is not interested in your rights or the rights of anybody who does not follow Allah. I also take issue with your claim that there is a an inexhaustible roll of past examples to provide proof that the west is out to exterminating Islam, there is no basis at all to make that claim.

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  69. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Just because a foreign secret security service carrying out an assassination in one of its foreign client states says those they killed were guilty does not prove anything…

    What’s ‘guilty’ supposed to mean in this context? The guy was part of an irregular military force that’s at war with the US. His unit was attacked and killed. It falls into the category of “Well, duh.” We aren’t talking here about civilians suspected of committing crimes – that’s entirely the point.

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  70. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Are you seriously suggesting that we in the west should appease Islam?

    He’s seriously suggesting you pretend it’s a religion and not a totalitarian ideology.

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  71. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    The guy was part of an irregular military force that’s at war with the US. His unit was attacked and killed.

    At war with the US in Yemen? How do we know the convoy which was blown up was on its way to Washington?
    (I can’t answer much today, I’m on my smart phone at work)

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  72. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Mix with dogs, contract fleas . . . pity there were not more!

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  73. V (720 comments) says:

    Yes he is a fool for going there, however can you tell me what declared war is going on in Yemen?

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