Appalling

May 16th, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

A Muslim-by-birth Sudanese woman who married a Christian man has been sentenced to death after she refused to recant her Christian faith, her lawyer says.

Meriam Ibrahim, whose father was Muslim but her mother was an Orthodox Christian from Ethiopia, was convicted of “apostasy” – literally the rejection of a religion – on Sunday (local time) and given four days to repent and escape death, lawyer Al-Shareef Ali al-Shareef Mohammed said.

The 26 year old, who is eight months pregnant, was sentenced after that grace period expired, Mohammed said.

The sentence drew immediate condemnation from Amnesty International, which called it “abhorrent.” Mohammed called the conviction rushed and legally flawed since the judge refused to hear key defence witnesses, as well as ignored constitutional provisions on freedom of worship and equality among citizens.

“The fact that a woman could be sentenced to death for her religious choice, and to flogging for being married to a man of an allegedly different religion, is abhorrent and should never be even considered,” Amnesty said in a statement, quoting its researcher, Manar Idriss.

Maybe the UN Human Rights Commission could focus on this.

No state should be imposing any sanctions on a citizen for their choice of religion, let alone the death sentence. No state that does so, should be allowed a vote in international fora.

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63 Responses to “Appalling”

  1. JMS (313 comments) says:

    Send the Marines in to occupy the Mecca “Holy Sites”.
    Build a giant fence around them.
    Don’t let a single Muslim in until they learn to behave worldwide.

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  2. Rich Prick (1,604 comments) says:

    The UN Human Rights Commission is way more concerned with alleged child poverty in NZ. It is not bothered with the results when the “Religion of Peace” injects its’ sordid, abhorrent and stone age ideas into a country’s legal system (or that country accepts them into its’ legal system). Oh no, not at all.

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  3. big bruv (13,454 comments) says:

    More evidence that all religion is evil.

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  4. iMP (2,312 comments) says:

    This has been going on for decades if not centuries. Why the sudden news media interest? Muslims have viciously persecuted non-Muslims (particularly Christians and Jews) for several hundred years and increasingly in modern times.

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  5. stephieboy (2,458 comments) says:

    The UN Human Rights council are unlikely to intervene due to the influence Organization of Islamic Conference ( OIC ) members on the UN body.
    They always have Israel in their sights and abuses you’ve described will often go unchecked as the Human Rights Council have shown time after time.
    It makes the UN a Tragedy and why its not largely taken seriously.

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  6. wreck1080 (3,787 comments) says:

    UN human rights are more worried about the level of poverty in nz.

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  7. queenstfarmer (751 comments) says:

    Maybe the UN Human Rights Commission could focus on this.

    Sorry, the UNHRC has already determined that the real violator of women’s rights is the UK.

    Naturally.

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  8. JMS (313 comments) says:

    More evidence that all religion is evil.

    True, but just like viruses some religions are even worse than others.

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  9. stephieboy (2,458 comments) says:

    A big violator of Women’s rights in the UK is in fact militant Islam which will no doubt escape the notice of our South African so called “expert “,

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jun/06/muslim-womens-group-jihad-violence,

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  10. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The UN Human Rights council are unlikely to intervene

    This behaviour is disgusting. What makes it worse is the lack of a strong response by other Muslim nations. Why is it always the non-Muslims doing something about this sort of thing ? If Muslim countries banded together they could bring change without further blood shed or military force. No wonder they have become such a sick joke in the civilised world.

    stupidboy, The UN is a useless organisation that often does more harm than good. They will do nothing. Just as they have done nothing about the country that is in breach of the most UN resolutions. Guess which country that is stupidboy ? [ Hint: It is another Middle Eastern religious country. ]

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  11. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    stupidboy, stop pretending you are standing up for women. You have defended, or refused to condemn: Acid attacks, beatings, stonings, throwing of bleach, modesty patrols, and general violence against women on religious grounds. You are not opposed to those things in principle. But pretend to be upset if Muslims do it. This is not about make believe or about religious fables. This is about reality and the reality is religion is responsible.

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  12. stephieboy (2,458 comments) says:

    kea, sunshine as I explained its the pernicious influence and undue of the OIC that renders the UN ineffectual and that ensures that countries like the Sudan go unpunished
    That other country .? But why should Israel take any notice when those members like Sudan, Saudi Arabia and iran are in gross breaches as matter of routine and get away with it..?
    Your claims re stonings, modesty patrols, acid attacks are fatuous. They are not State sanctioned but those of Iran and Saudi Arabia etc are.!

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  13. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    As usual, the regular apologists of vile and barbaric Islam come to the fore.

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  14. Huevon (206 comments) says:

    If she was gay, world leaders might care about it.

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  15. stephieboy (2,458 comments) says:

    You see kea Acid attacks against Women are a huge problem in countries like Pakistan and I bet that you wont find this extensive at all in Israel. It results from the inferior status of women in Islamic society there and elsewhere. like Cambodia etc. A British plastic surgeon has devoted himself to try and help these women,

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547963/British-plastic-surgeon-provides-free-treatment-victims-Pakistani-acid-attacks-scarred-life-spurned-suitors-jealous-

    and,

    https://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/tag/acid-attack/

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  16. iMP (2,312 comments) says:

    Big Bruv, your prejudice against “religion” is about as enlightened as these extremist Muslims. Most of the wars of the world are by far non-religious and the greatest tyrants with the biggest body counts also rabid anti-religionists. Suggest packing all that selective anti-faith John Lennon gibberish back where it belongs – La la land.

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  17. SGA (931 comments) says:

    big bruv at 2:09 pm

    More evidence that all religion is evil.

    In what way do you find buddhism “evil”, big bruv? Just curious.

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  18. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “The UN Human Rights Commission is way more concerned with alleged child poverty in NZ. ”

    you can get free medical care for your kids now despite your wealth so what are you complaining about

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  19. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Most deaths are caused by govts

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  20. Judith (8,243 comments) says:

    Through out history, people of all religions, nationalities, races, ethnicity, sex, class and political persuasions have been killed for failing to denounce what they believe in. To point the finger at any one group whilst ignoring the others, is a weak argument.

    Why is it that not all Islamic people are killers, if the religion is so faulty? Why is it that not all Christians are murderers, or rapists or whatever, when some are?

    When things like this happen it is not the fault of the religion, because if it was, all who shared the same faith, would be involved, and the vast majority are not.

    Killing is a basic animal response to threat – the socialised individual is taught to override that response, and most do, those that resort to killing do so out of an animal response to his/her environment and stimuli – in short, when their socialisation fails them and the animal desire to survive takes over. If some people of islamic faith are resorting to killing christians, it is because somehow they have got the idea that their existence is threatened by them. – I wonder how they could have got that idea?

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  21. skyblue (203 comments) says:

    Importing Muslims is asking for trouble. We will pay in 20 years. Look at the UK. Enoch Powell was right.Nk

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  22. Judith (8,243 comments) says:

    @ skyblue (195 comments) says:
    May 16th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    That is what they used to say about the Jews and Gypsies in Germany.

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  23. Barnsley Bill (982 comments) says:

    Remind us again which countries sit on the UNHRC?
    Waste of time, these Muslim fanatics will never change.
    Not to worry though, give it a decade or three and we will see it here.
    Then we can protest locally

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  24. Peter (1,653 comments) says:

    On a side note, did you know the Bible forbids eating shrimp?

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  25. Duncan Bayne (17 comments) says:

    “Maybe the UN Human Rights Commission could focus on this.”

    Ahahahahaha *snort* *chortle*

    http://www.andysrant.com/2013/06/islamic-bloc-members-slam-unhcr-violence-against-women-resolution-for-violating-sharia-law.html

    “Islamic member states of the United Nations Council for Human Rights (UNHCR) rejected on Friday paragraphs violating the Islamic law in the council’s resolution on the elimination of all forms of violence against women, noting that the member states must make sure that their laws and national policies are consistent with the rejected demands.

    The rejections include the paragraph, which gives women “the right to control matters concerning their sexual lives as well as their reproductive health without coercion, discrimination or violence.” They also rejected the paragraph that allows performing judicial proceedings in cases of rape within marriage, the abolition of provisions that require the matching of certificates and allow the rapist to escape prosecution by marrying him to his victim as well as subduing victims of sexual violence to prosecution for moral crimes or slander.”

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  26. ShawnLH (4,330 comments) says:

    According to Big Bruv’s warped “logic” let’s try a little experiment.

    Under the Khmer Rouge an estimated 1 to 3 million people (out of a population of slightly over 8 million) died from the actions of that political party.

    Thus, this is more evidence that all political parties are evil.

    Of course the KR were also a Maoist-Marxist atheist party, so we could also say:

    Thus, this is more evidence that all atheists are evil.

    A better approach is to condemn evil when any persons or groups do evil, and praise them when they do good, and not make idiotic generalizations.

    And more importantly, not use this horror to make trolling cheap shots.

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  27. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Shrimp are probably filters as shell fish are that take in the seas carbage and filtrate to keep the sea clean.

    Therefore unclean and toxic.

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  28. Peter (1,653 comments) says:

    Leviticus 11:9-12

    “These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat. But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you.

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  29. rangitoto (214 comments) says:

    “Shrimp are probably filters as shell fish are that take in the seas carbage and filtrate to keep the sea clean.

    Therefore unclean and toxic.”

    And fish eat shrimp and other filter feeders, so fish are even more unclean and toxic according to your logic.

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  30. Peter (1,653 comments) says:

    I suspect Leviticus was a member of the Inshore Fishermans Union and didn’t want the emerging deep sea shrimp trade to reduce the earnings of his comrades.

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  31. ShawnLH (4,330 comments) says:

    For goodness sakes, a pregnant women is likely to be executed, and idiots here are talking about shrimp!

    I don’t think you can get any more stupid and childish than that.

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  32. ShawnLH (4,330 comments) says:

    Scratch the last sentence in my last post.

    It’s an insult to children.

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  33. Harriet (4,614 comments) says:

    They’re killing Christians left-right-and-center in the Middle East and the media say nothing – but kill a Muslim woman and you’re expected to have some concern. And that is while the media attacks the Christian Churches in the West.

    Well maybe I’ll be concerned when the media stops it’s attacks on Christians!

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  34. rangitoto (214 comments) says:

    “For goodness sakes, a pregnant women is likely to be executed,”

    Sharia law gives the apostate three days to repent before they murder them”. Seems fair

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  35. Peter (1,653 comments) says:

    For goodness sakes, a pregnant women is likely to be executed, and idiots here are talking about shrimp!

    Highlighting the ongoing stupidity of religion. I’m sure you being earnest on a blog post in NZ will make a world of difference.

    This is not the first act of barbarity from followers of the Islamic religion, and it won’t be the last. Islam, and religion in general, should be made a source of derision. This may result in a lot more people taking it a lot less seriously.

    After all, it worked for Monty Python.

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  36. Kiwi Dave (79 comments) says:

    Judith’s next argument: since not all smokers die from cancer, and not all cancer deaths are caused by smoking, therefore smoking is not a causal factor in cancer.

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  37. OneTrack (2,755 comments) says:

    We need more diversity which is always good .

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  38. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Lovely people these Muslims . . . “Tojo” Cunliffe would have filled NZ up with them if they had not been arsed out of power. Bet the poms now wish they listened to Enoch Powell.

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  39. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    stupidboy, It was you who raised the UN. Not me.

    How many Muslims do you know – personally – who condone this sort of carry on ?

    I know of none. The only time I have seen religious brutality minimised or excused has been by you, and a few others, here on KB.

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  40. Zapper (950 comments) says:

    SGA

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

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  41. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    For goodness sakes, a pregnant women is likely to be executed, and idiots here are talking about shrimp!

    Like this ?

    “The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords.” (Hosea 13:16 NLT)

    Acutally they are not talking about shrimp. They are talking about what your God commands.

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  42. ShawnLH (4,330 comments) says:

    “Acutally they are not talking about shrimp.”

    Actually no they were talking about shrimp. You can tell because the word “shrimp” was mentioned several times.

    “They are talking about what your God commands.”

    No, thery were using a horrific injustice for the usual mindless atheist trolling,

    Making generalizations about “religion” is meaningless, and a sure sign that we are dealing with trolling, not rational debate.

    As to my God, my God and the Islamic “god” are not the same. My God is seen in the face of Jesus Christ, who forgave the women caught in adultery and sent her accusers away in shame.

    This thread is about a crime being carried out by a Muslim state, and trying to change the subject to meaningless generalizations about “religion” or trying to make it about Israel is shameful.

    “The only time I have seen religious brutality minimised or excused has been by you, and a few others, here on KB.”

    Bullshit. Lying again Kea?

    You frame issues in way that suits your purpose, asking questions along the lines of “have you stopped beating your wife yet” and then when we don’t play your game you lie and claim we are minimizing religious brutality, when the truth is that we are just choosing not to play your rhetorical games.

    In fact the only person here minimizing anything is you. Whenever the subject of Islamic brutality or terrorism comes up you desperately try to change the subject, as you are doing right now.

    You and Peter are using this horror to play your childish rhetorical games, nothing more.

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  43. nasska (10,834 comments) says:

    All religion, be it Islam or Hinduism – Judaism or Christianity, exists for two reasons & two only:

    1) to provide comfort for the masses AND

    2) As a power base for the hierarchy of the sects.Unbridled power which religion bestows on its priests facilitates mental & physical violence. What we are seeing happen to this woman from the Sudan is being instituted by these freaks in the name of their religion.

    But the real name is control. And power.

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  44. Liam Hehir (116 comments) says:

    I am an orthodox Catholic and I believe that the Old Testament, while spiritually inspired, is in the words of Belloc a “great mass of Jewish folklore, poetry and traditional popular history and proverbial wisdom”.

    That has been the standard view for more than a thousand years. Strictly literalist approaches are a much more recent innovation.

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  45. Psycho Milt (2,348 comments) says:

    …I believe that the Old Testament, while spiritually inspired, is in the words of Belloc a “great mass of Jewish folklore, poetry and traditional popular history and proverbial wisdom”.

    So, pretty much like the New Testament, only older and better-written?

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  46. nasska (10,834 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/98p6al1sfxafjjo/Bible%201.jpg

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  47. big bruv (13,454 comments) says:

    iMP

    Are you really trying to suggest that religion is a force for good in the world?

    Good luck with that.

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  48. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I believe that the Old Testament, while spiritually inspired, is in the words of Belloc a “great mass of Jewish folklore, poetry and traditional popular history and proverbial wisdom”.

    LOL :-?

    1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

    So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.’” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

    Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

    2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

    They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

    Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

    3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

    What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

    4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

    What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

    5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

    It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

    6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

    Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

    Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]

    This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

    7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

    “When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

    Once again God approves of forcible rape.

    8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

    They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

    9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

    Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

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  49. SPC (5,472 comments) says:

    I await a post about the destruction of churches in China by an atheist regime and related oppression of NW Moslems and in Tibet.

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  50. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    SPC, the Chinese motivation is socialism not atheism.

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  51. SPC (5,472 comments) says:

    Bollocks.

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  52. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    SPC, the wrongs done by atheists like Stalin, Mao etc were not done for atheism. Unlike Hitler who did find biblical justification for the holocaust, supported strongly by his deep Catholic faith. Though the Church was not behind it, like it was in Croatia.

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  53. SPC (5,472 comments) says:

    The current government of China is not socialist. And it is destroying churches and oppressing Moslems in NW China and people in Tibet in 2014. Simply for having an allegiance to something other than their party rule of China.

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  54. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “The current government of China is not socialist”

    LOL :) :) :)

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  55. SPC (5,472 comments) says:

    In the beginning there was this guy who imagined that God was about and he could talk to God and hear God.

    What he wrote down was a story about how God wanted him and his relatives to kill off all others in Canaan so they could have it all to themselves and thus be a people with a homeland under their God’s leadership. Because they claimed the nations laws came from God they gave themselves the right to kill those who did not obey them.

    As we know the origins of Christianity began in this land.

    Then the great flatterer, decided to mimic Moses of the Torah story (there is no evidence of a conquest of Canaan) in the real world.

    And thus came a tale about how all the Arabs should be one people in their Arabia homeland under their God’s leadership. Thus no one not a Moslem could live in Arabia. And the law of the land was the way of the Moslem and as they believed their laws came from God they gave themselves the right to kill those who did not obey them.

    As to how to mimic the bible God expansion into the wider world via Christianity (which became the religion of the Roman empire – an empire built with the sword).

    So Islam would expand from Arabia via the way of the sword, which would bring Moslem government. Wherever Islam spread, the sharia law came with them. But outside Arabia they would co-exist with others – who were allowed to be live under Moslem rule in return for paying a tax/tribute to the Moslem government.

    Thus to the north of Jerusalem was Christianity in Europe and to the south was Islam. Two theist images of biblical Judaism in the wider world.

    To a deist, just like twin images of the same beast.

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  56. Aredhel777 (279 comments) says:

    I get so sick of threads devolving into Christian-bashing and squabbles over the Old Testament whenever Muslim fanatics kill people. There is no reasoning with bigots like Kea which makes the whole thing a massive waste of time.

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  57. kowtow (7,873 comments) says:

    aradhel

    That’s one reason I call “kea” a troll. He ?she refuses to stay on topic,nay,will deliberately turn any topic ,back to it’s favourite obsession.

    As you say a compltete waste of time.

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  58. Steve Wrathall (256 comments) says:

    No-one is “muslim-by-birth”. Or christian, or buddhist, or pastafarian. That is as absurd as a monetarist, or keynsian, or marxist by birth.

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  59. Ed Snack (1,773 comments) says:

    I denounce you all, to even speak of this in a negative tone is both racist and islamophobic. Go back to your cages and behave.

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  60. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “And fish eat shrimp and other filter feeders, so fish are even more unclean and toxic according to your logic.”

    Noooooooooooooo. Cause fish can’t eat shell food . They are protected by their shells. God knows what he’s doing.

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  61. Peter (1,653 comments) says:

    My God is seen in the face of Jesus Christ, who forgave the women caught in adultery and sent her accusers away in shame. This thread is about a crime being carried out by a Muslim state, and trying to change the subject to meaningless generalizations about “religion” or trying to make it about Israel is shameful.

    No Shawn.

    Your mate God said:

    “Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)”

    “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

    “”Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)”

    What a guy.

    Why would anyone want anything to do with him?

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  62. SPC (5,472 comments) says:

    Peter, you misunderstand

    1. can anyone prove that they represent the Lord, if not people can freely disagree with them and call their judgments shite.
    2. the only person who can lie with a man as with a woman, is involved in oral sex and sodomy with females. The bible here is saying that this activity with females is OK. It is very liberal for its day.

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  63. ChardonnayGuy (1,169 comments) says:

    Sudan is a war-torn human rights and civil liberties blackspot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan

    Sudan suffers from several challenges, for much of Sudan’s history the nation has suffered from rampant ethnic strife and has been plagued by internal conflicts including two civil wars and the War in the Darfur region. Sudan suffers from poor human rights most particularly dealing with the issues of ethnic cleansing and slavery in the nation.

    The Corruptions Perception Index, has indicated Sudan as one of the most corrupt nations in the world. According to the Global Hunger Index of 2013, Sudan has an GHI indicator value of 27.0 indicating that the nation has an ‘Alarming Hunger Situation’ and earning the nation the distinction of being the 5th hungriest nation in the world. According to the 2013 Human Development Index (HDI) Sudan ranked the 171st place in Human Development, indicating Sudan still has one of the lowest human development in the world.

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