Are Labour planning smear campaign on Shane Jones?

May 14th, 2014 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

This is very unusual. Whale blogs about a poll being done, presumably on behalf of , asking if people’s view of was:

  • Shane Jones delivered amusing one liners but his political career was accident prone and did not amount to much. The most attention he got was for using his parliamentary credit card to pay for pornographic movies.
  • Shane Jones was one of the few politicians who tells it like it is and with his attacks on Countdown has been the most effective Labour politician this year. He will be a huge loss to Labour especially amongst Maori and blue collar voters.

If the polling was being done for a media client, then the question would be sensible – it would be for a story on the impact of Shane Jones. But presumably the poll is on behalf of Labour (as was being done by their normal polling company) and the question is why would you poll on Shane Jones, once he has already resigned, unless it was to publicly attack him saying that their polls show that most voters think he was an accident prone MP who amounted to little whose most noticeable achievement was the taxpayer funded porn.

They can’t change the fact he resigned, so I really can’t think of any other reasons they would be polling on him except to undermine him. I’d love to see Shane’s face when he read that Labour is polling on whether people think he was an accident prone lazy pornography viewer or an in touch effective MP. Labour’s caucus meeting next week could be fun What other Labour MPs are Labour polling about in such derogatory terms?

UPDATE: I’m told from a very reliable source that in this case Labour is not responsible for this question. So it will be fascinating to discover who is, if it ever comes out.

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29 Responses to “Are Labour planning smear campaign on Shane Jones?”

  1. Rich Prick (1,661 comments) says:

    If true, this makes Labour sound like a cult out to discredit those who escape. If I were one of the remaining I’d be watching my back, and the kool aid.

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  2. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    DPF – what’s the likely timeframe for setting the question and running the poll?

    It’s possible the question was framed and too late to pull from the poll by the time Jones’ sudden announcement he would quit. That would still raise interesting questions about why they asked what they did, and what the motive was.

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  3. alex (302 comments) says:

    So you don’t know the polling was actually done by Labour, and yet you wrote a whole post based on that assumption? The one bit of evidence – that it was done by their normal polling company, is pretty thin. I’m sure that company has other clients.

    [DPF: In the same poll they were testing potential policies for Labour, so it is a very reasonable assumption. Who else would want to poll on Jones?]

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  4. big bruv (13,701 comments) says:

    This smells like it might be coming from somebody close to Robertson. Shane Jones turning on Cuntliffe and the Labour party would be exactly what Robertson wants.

    Others have said (and I agree with them) that Robertson wants Labour to lose this election so he can assume the leadership of Labour after September 20.

    I would love to see Shane Jones unleash on Labour, it would be political blood sport.

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  5. Andrew (83 comments) says:

    I might ask a question a bit like this if I wanted to figure out whether there was a certain type of voter Shane Jones was attracting to Labour.

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  6. Kea (11,944 comments) says:

    “Are Labour planning smear campaign

    Do the Greens have a responsible economic policy ?

    DPF is having you on people. It is a trick question. Good one DPF. :)

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  7. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    “Are Labour planning smear campaign on Shane Jones? This is very unusual. Whale blogs about a poll being done, presumably on behalf of Labour…”

    They used to call this “Controlling the narrative. ” A beautiful example of smearing by casting aspersions, raising doubt, using casually calculated words like “presumably” and constructing distraction. The tag team, DPF with Slater, vengeful and sulking that chum Collins has been under fire.

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  8. Nick R (505 comments) says:

    There was a lot of noise from the Press Gallery and some commentators (most of whom were not Labour supporters) about how important Jones was and how his departure would affect their appeal to male blue collar voters in particular. But that ignores his actual performance as a candidate, as Danyl McLauchlan has pointed out. So they may be wondering, do we really need more candidates like Shane?

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  9. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Nothing would surprise me of a party run by McCarten and Manning, chaired by a congenital liar (“Tojo”). They have nothing other than their rainbow-inspired greed and envy to survive on. I would think they are too busy in the “Rainbow Room” getting the numbers together for the forthcoming overthrow, than to worry about Shane. His turn will come though, losers in a corner, run by these aforementioned mongrels are capable of anything.

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  10. JC (942 comments) says:

    Its also the sort of polling I’d do if I was in the ABC club looking to roll Cunners and installing Jones as the new leader :)

    JC

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  11. RRM (9,773 comments) says:

    Sounds like the kind of question someone might ask who already knows what he wants to hear.
    Not the sort of question someone who actually wants to learn something would ask.

    TBH, I can forgive Shane Jones for yerking off to a bit of porn in his hotel room.
    He was on a work trip with a company card, if he’d spend those same few dollars on a beer or a toblerone from the minibar, no-one would have had anything to say about it.

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  12. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,880 comments) says:

    Pete George

    If you read the questions again, you’ll see from the wording it is clear they were written after he had announced his intention to resign.

    I think Big Bruv is on to it.

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  13. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    Adolf – yes, your’re right.

    Is it possible they had intentions of trying to get Jones to change his mind? Any reason seems bizarre.

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  14. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “Shane Jones was one of the few politicians” “is political career was accident prone and did not amount to much.”

    – yeah PG, sounds like it was written before his announcement.

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  15. MD (62 comments) says:

    @alex When I looked at the other questions in the Poll, they are all political questions. UMR may have many clients but this one was clearly for a political party or interest group. If you are asking a question about a carbon tax and whether that would influence your vote – this is the sort of question a political party uses to gauge the effect of potential policies, media generally ask about the policies already announced. Do the Greens use UMR as well?

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  16. tvb (4,322 comments) says:

    It looks like they tagged this on to a more general poll about a number of issues. So it is Labour’s poll. But what are they going to do with this. I assume Jones will drop out of politics.

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  17. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    tvb:

    A rational, reasonable, realistic comment.

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  18. alex (302 comments) says:

    @DPF – That information – that the poll also tested potential Labour policies – was not included in either your or Whale’s blog. But of course you will be able to provide a link to evidence of that assertion?

    Furthermore, it still could have been anyone, for example New Zealand First might still be looking at Jones, and wondering which of Labour’s policies they should adopt. Or a media client, looking at the recent change in fortunes for National and putting a bit more scrutiny on the opposition’s policies in case they become government policies. Or, dare I say it, it could have been National, who may be interested in securing the services of Jones as an MP further down the line. You never know, not every National poll has to go through Curia.

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  19. OneTrack (2,975 comments) says:

    I don’t see why anybody should be surprised.

    This is surely Lefty 101 behaviour – If you are deemed to have stepped outside of the collective, you are declared an enemy of the people and you are gone.

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  20. Kea (11,944 comments) says:

    The tag team, DPF with Slater, vengeful and sulking that chum Collins has been under fire.

    doggone7, The “tag team” are not at all worried and nor are the voting public or the National Party. As this Poll demonstrates.

    Labour supporters & media “demanding” people be outraged has clearly not worked. Labour and the Greens will lose the election. Either join the winning team or get over it :)

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  21. s.russell (1,596 comments) says:

    alex has a good point: the motivation might be the fear that Jones will put his hand up for another party (NZ First?? A new party? Who knows?). They want a handle on how best to respond if that were to happen.

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  22. Colville (2,250 comments) says:

    So Cunliffe wants to put a hatchet in Shanes back and climb on top of the corpse in hope of gaining some attention?

    Classy that man.

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  23. Colville (2,250 comments) says:

    s.russell
    After Peters display resterday WinstonFirst may be looking for a new leader next week!

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  24. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    Russell Brown says that it definitely wasn’t Labour who commissioned the poll.

    The “UMR polling commissioned by Labour” being touted by Whaleoil is nothing of the kind. Not commissioned, received or paid for by Labour.

    Not that I’d be hanging out for a correction. Just saying he’s firmly holding the wrong end of the stick.

    And no, I didn’t get that information from Labour either. I’m surprised they haven’t made it clear though.

    I asked him if he knew who.

    No, but definitely not Labour. I would naturally *like* to know :-)

    Not the first time whoever-it-is has been mistaken for internal labour polling, I gather.

    So who would have the inclination and the money to do apparently multiple polls that look like they are Labour orientated?

    I wonder if NZ First commission polls.

    The Conservative and Internet parties are both known to commission polling.

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  25. georgedarroch (317 comments) says:

    “I wonder if NZ First commission polls.”

    National commission polls.

    They even have a preferred pollster.

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  26. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    And DPF is checking it out:

    What is your source? Will update if it is someone on the record.

    Considering the same poll was testing potential policies for Labour, I’d be sceptical short of an on the reecord denial.

    And Russel responded:

    Or you could offer some evidence that it is what you say it is. It usually works that way.

    Fair call.

    Then:

    @publicaddress
    But no, sorry, it’s a confidential source, but one I’m very confident is correct.

    @dpfdpf
    I think one can use common sense. Who would want to poll on Shane Jones except media and Labour?

    Considering the same poll was testing potential policies for Labour, I’d be sceptical short of an on the reecord denial.

    All it takes is for Labour to say on the record “Not us”.

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  27. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    National commission polls.

    They even have a preferred pollster.

    And are unlikely to use UMR.

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  28. themanwhowatches (25 comments) says:

    doggone7@9:17 am – you don’t see the irony in what you said? There’s been plenty of “casting aspersions” and “raising doubt” etc, including vehemently stating as fact what is demonstrably only opinion shaped by political interest, for the past several weeks now. Leaving Williamson aside because he clearly stepped over the line, the rest has been exactly what you complain about, with nothing proven. And while I am making my infrequent comments, don’t you see something not quite right in commentators about the Mr. Taurima breathing a sigh of relief that “political bias” was not found in his work, when all along he was using his employer’s resources to further his own and the Labour Party’s interests, which the Labour Party mast have known (or, to use Clayton Cosgrove’s favorite expression, was “asleep at the wheel”).

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  29. OneTrack (2,975 comments) says:

    Pete – “So who would have the inclination and the money to do apparently multiple polls that look like they are Labour orientated?”

    This sounds like a job for Occams Razor.? Labour are lying.

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