Are the Greens still investors in Windflow?

May 12th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Embattled Technology may have to tap again its expat Kiwi investor for more capital to survive.

Whether ex-Wellington and Windflow investor David Isles, who lives in New York, needs to inject capital or lend more money to Windflow depends on how many wind turbines the Christchurch manufacturing firm manages to sell in its target United Kingdom market.

On the sales front progress has been very slow in the past three years and the company has had to raise capital several times to stay afloat, with Isles the main contributor.

Yesterday Windflow forecast a $4.4 million loss for the year to June 30 2014, after posting a half-year loss of $2.8m for the six months to December 31, 2013.

The half year loss was almost 50 per cent higher than the previous half year of $1.9m.

It shares were steady at 6c with no trades yesterday.

A significant investor in Windflow are or were the . In 2001 they announced:

Green Party energy spokesperson and co-leader, Jeanette Fitzsimons, and the Green Party’s Superannuation Fund have joined the growing list of investors in local wind power company Windflow Technology. …

“Our superannuation fund has a policy of ethical investing. Windflow Technology fits with our policy because it brings together local manufacturing and sustainable energy. As such, it is quite a unique investment opportunity in New Zealand and we are pleased to be able to invest at this early stage.”

British environmentalist and investor, Teddy Goldsmith, is the company’s largest investor so far.

Windflow Technology is offering two million shares at $1.50 each. The offer closes 1st June.

So the shares have lost 96% of their value. No wonder the Greens keep pushing policies to favour wind power.

I don’t mind the Greens losing money in sharemarket investments, but be aware they want the NZ Government to invest millions or billions in what they call green jobs, green growth, green tech.

So when the Greens go on about investing in green jobs, what they really mean is losing 96% of your money.

UPDATE: Kevin Hague says the Greens Super Fund was wound up in 2009. Useful to know, but doesn’t change the fact that this was an investment they trumpeted as sound – and is the sort they insist that the NZ Government should be making.

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73 Responses to “Are the Greens still investors in Windflow?”

  1. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Why would you ever vote for a party that supports something that has never worked ? Around the world Windmills have been an epic failure. That is not a left/right, greeny/greedy capitalist position. It is reality.

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  2. redqueen (519 comments) says:

    Well, that’s the thing with the Greens, they want to directly lose money on poor investments, while incurring opportunity costs, and further devaluing your money through inflation. That 96% isn’t inflation-linked nor adjusted for the interest you’d have received if you’d just kept the money sitting in government stock. These people really are pillocks.

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  3. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    yes concerning but id need to see more evidence that this 96% loss was widespread. Im sure hybrid cars/solar arent doing that bad.
    The Greens here are idiots but im sure Treasury wouldnt let all this go on although i take note of what you say

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  4. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The single most dangerous feature of the far left and the number one reason they scare me, is the way they will always put their ideology ahead of real world outcomes and people. Just as Mao was unconcerned as tens of millions starved to death as he restructured farming, greens in Europe are unconcerned as thousands freeze to death in the increasingly bitter winters. The billions wasted on things like windmills have made energy unaffordable for the elderly and poor, so they freeze to death.

    This is the green promise to you and yours.

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  5. Odakyu-sen (510 comments) says:

    Morality is measured in outcomes.

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  6. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Im sure hybrid cars/solar isnt doing that bad.

    Why are you “sure” ? They are both a total failure as far as I know. I sincerely wish they did work, but they do not.

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  7. redqueen (519 comments) says:

    @Kea

    Hybrid cars do appear to be making a profit for the likes of Toyota, as they can be sold at a premium to the Greens…(says it all, really). While electric cars are another matter, as I can’t remember anyone ever turning a profit off them (even the much lauded Tesla), hybrids have been introduced by private companies, even in markets where there are no ‘special’ incentives.

    Don’t like driving them, personally, but their profitability is another matter.

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  8. WineOh (601 comments) says:

    Oh for the good old days, where we took our sacks of grain down to the mill to be ground up into flour by the power of WIND! Our standards of living were so high we could expect to live well in to our 30′s before dying of malnutrition or preventable disease. And the only taxes we had to worry about were the usurious demands from the land barons that owned the whole country. Those were the days eh Green Brothers?

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  9. redqueen (519 comments) says:

    @ WineOh

    Here, here.

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  10. mjw (346 comments) says:

    I must admit this is quite funny. But be careful – what if they suddenly announce huge returns for their portfolio since 2001 (quite likely given their property investments). Would they then be investment geniuses?

    Also, I think holier than thou pursuit of good outcomes, and the idea that the ends justify the means, is hardly restricted to the Green party. Certain members of the Nats would do well to read Hayek, and to realise that the desire to make other people’s choices for them (whether they be beneficiaries or millionaires) is the most corrosive force in society.

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  11. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Kea
    The amount of solar going up and the amount of hybrids coming out indicate to me someone should be making money, whether they are or not i dont know but demands certainly there

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  12. Mobile Michael (430 comments) says:

    According to media reports, the holding is very small. And according to the Greens having a financial interest in the company doesn’t matter if you promote it with taxpayer money.

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10578913

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  13. tom hunter (4,558 comments) says:

    Im sure hybrid cars/solar arent doing that bad.

    Hybrid cars are doing okay, slowly spreading throughout different manufacturers and becoming more common. It’s a “solution” that I approve of since it’s incremental but the compounding effect will be substantial over the next twenty years.

    As far as solar/wind is concerned all I can say is that you must be remarkably uninformed. At the heart of this insanity are the Europeans and judging by the following clip – which appears to be based on The Daily Show – even the Germans have now resorted to scathing mockery about their efforts. Watch and enjoy (It’s subtitled), KiloWhatTheFuck?.

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  14. J Bloggs (173 comments) says:

    wineoh: except that in Ye Goode Olde Daze, you were more likely to have your grain milled into flour by watermill (est. 500,000 across europe) than a windmill (est. 200,000).

    Hydro >>>> Wind. :)

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  15. hannity (152 comments) says:

    As opposed to ‘Solid Energy’ -which is going gang busters.

    National has to be given credit for that -surely

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  16. OneTrack (2,798 comments) says:

    J Bloggs – That may be true, but the greens wont let us put in more hydro because of the snails. With them it seems to be wind or nothing, and it appears their preference is for the nothing option.

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  17. hj (6,712 comments) says:

    The only thing that works (so far) is fossil fuels. That’s why they don’t cause problems for the climate.

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  18. hj (6,712 comments) says:

    OneTrack (2,056 comments) says:
    May 12th, 2014 at 8:05 am

    J Bloggs – That may be true, but the greens wont let us put in more hydro because of the snails.
    ….
    Alpine fault: can we panic now?
    http://www.statschat.org.nz/2012/06/28/alpine-fault-can-we-panic-now/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggradation

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  19. chris (589 comments) says:

    @OneTrack The problem with wind is even if it did work, no one seems to want it anywhere. There was that wind farm they wanted to put in Otago somewhere that never went ahead due to NIMBYs. The simple answer is the Greens don’t want any new power generation at all.

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  20. hj (6,712 comments) says:

    I don’t see anything like this happening soon?

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  21. OneTrack (2,798 comments) says:

    hj – not sure I get yout point. We should empty all the dams because there might be an earthquake?

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  22. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    the amount of hybrids coming out indicate to me someone should be making money, whether they are or not i dont know but demands certainly there

    An understandable assumption, but a flawed one. There is also demand for $600.00 designer sunglasses. It is about marketing. Furthe, car producers are required by force of law to build a % of these nonsense vehicles.

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  23. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    This is the party, and in Jeanette Fitzsimmons’ case the individual, who where investors in Windflow at the same time as Ms Fitzsimmons was chair of the Environment Select Committee. That committee, with a Labour/Green majority, ruled against a major hydro scheme. And Ms Fitzsimmons at the time had not declared her ownership of those shares.

    And these people lecture parties on the centre-right about ethics and conflicts of interest.

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  24. OneTrack (2,798 comments) says:

    When the green/labour/manaip/Winston coalition gets in, Winston invest all the kiwisaver funds on windflow?

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  25. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Martinh
    The government subsidies in the UK, Europe and the US for wind, solar and hybrid car sales are huge. It’s an artificial market. The UK and Germany are now reducing the subsidies as they realise it’s just unsustainable. Billions have been wasted.

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  26. PaulL (5,983 comments) says:

    Hybrid cars are “making money” in the sense that a) they often get subsidies, b) they are part of a portfolio of cars in a market like California that requires a proportion of zero emission or low emission vehicles, c) they are often incentivised by differential tax/rego (e.g. in the UK). But I’m pretty sure Toyota haven’t made a commercial profit on them – they still sell each Prius at a loss, they “make money” based on those other intangible things.

    I’d be careful about pinging the Greens based on this single investment. Not because I think their other investments will have done better – my impression is that a lot of green investments have gone tits up – but because it’s part of the capitalist system for some companies to go broke, and it’s possible that the Greens also have some good investments. I suspect with a bit of data on what they’ve actually invested in it would turn out that their portfolio sucks big time, and that would be good information, but one data point’s not enough.

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  27. toad (3,672 comments) says:

    DPF, I can’t find a link to it, but I think you’ll find the Greens’ Superannuation Fund you refer (with a 2001 link) to has been wound up. It certainly doesn’t appear in any Green MP’s Pecuniary Interests register.

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  28. hj (6,712 comments) says:

    OneTrack (2,057 comments) says:
    May 12th, 2014 at 8:17 am

    hj – not sure I get yout point. We should empty all the dams because there might will be an earthquake?
    ….
    No my point is that population increase is government policy (despite it being out of fashion) and we will need something like nucleur to prop up our people servicing sectior.

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  29. Paulus (2,558 comments) says:

    The best current combination engines must be Diesel Electric (not petrol).
    Some 50 years ago in UK Railway engines switched from Coal to Diesel Electric – now Electric only in recent years on passenger trains.
    As batteries are not good enough yet the electric car will really have to wait a little longer despite the push to sell them.
    Where on a run from Auckland to Wellington can you recharge the batteries, and if it were possible how long would each charge take ?

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  30. WineOh (601 comments) says:

    @mjw, Wouldn’t a great return from a property portfolio just mean higher prices, squeezing those hard battling Kiwi families who can’t afford to buy a 4 bedroom house in Ponsonby?

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  31. mjw (346 comments) says:

    WineOh. Oh yes, hypocrisy reigns. Nothing new there in politics!

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  32. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    We have plenty of Coal and the international price has dropped. Why don’t we build a GIGANTIC coal fired power station on the West Coast ?

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  33. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    Paulus
    With petrol/electric or diesel/electric engines you can recharge the batteries when you use the petrol or Diesel engine,or combine both to generate more HP, also when using the brakes , some of the energy expended can be used to charge the battery- that’s straight out of F1.
    Hybrids are getting better, check out the BMW i8 – a turbo three cylinder connected to an electric engine and it’s producing 350+ BHP and gets 135 miles per gallon

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  34. tom hunter (4,558 comments) says:

    Now this is a coal monster:

    At the new site in Garzweiler, the Bagger 288 helps to produce roughly 100 million tons of coal per year— a full 15% of the general German electricity supply. The coal mined there feeds five power plants which produce over 10,000 megawatts of electric power yearly. Which is good, since the Bagger 288 requires an external 16.56KW power supply every time it turns on.

    The German strip mine it’s working in is expanding to cope with all the new coal-fired power stations that Germany is building. They even shift small towns to make way for the advance of the mine’s boundaries.

    BTW, I see that I got a minus for my link to the German comedy show about this farce. I know they’re Germans but come on – it’s really pretty funny.

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  35. burt (8,015 comments) says:

    Under the monopoly “KiwiPower” the cost of electricity will be cranked up so that wind power is viable. It’s for the greater good you know …. Mum and Dad on struggle street don’t mind paying a little bit more for power to fund the Green party super scheme.

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  36. Rich Prick (1,630 comments) says:

    The problem with green jobs and green tech is that there is no market demand for their products. That’s why they need to be subsidised. The Greens are pretty much the Betamax of economics.

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  37. JC (933 comments) says:

    The most noticable thing about green “ethical” investing is the projects are run on the forced savings of everyone, including the poor. In effect the Greens see Govt tax money as suitably “laundered” of all the bad connotations of big business, farming and the horrid jobs in the factories of the rich.

    Subsidies are thus “ethical” to invest and get rich in.

    JC

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  38. All_on_Red (1,488 comments) says:

    JC
    It’s crony capitalism all the way.

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  39. Kleva Kiwi (281 comments) says:

    May 12th, 2014 at 7:14 am
    yes concerning but id need to see more evidence that this 96% loss was widespread. Im sure hybrid cars/solar arent doing that bad.

    3 of the top 5 solar panel makers declared bankruptcy last year. The solar market is oversupplied by about 3-400%. nobody is making any money in solar panels. The technology is not good enough (yet) with an average lifespan of 10-20 years the return on investment is not there.
    Hybrids likewise are not turning a profit yet either. They are heavily subsidised and only have very small bastions of markets (such as California where the subsidies are the highest). Hybrids currently make up less than .1% of the NA fleet. Wait till tech from F1 filters down more for popularity to increase
    Wind power was a con from day 1. Its the most heavily subsidised energy on the market and still averages twice the cost of fossil fuels with them. The plug is being pulled from them systematically.
    The future of energy production is Nuclear, Geothermal and tidal. The interim is coal and gas. This is reality.

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  40. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The world has plenty of fossil fuel remaining, much to the distress of the Greens who predicted it was to have run out about now :)

    Burning our huge Coal reserves has a number of benefits. It will provide much needed affordable energy. Create jobs and growth. Allow NZ to add value to products for maximum gain, instead of selling the Coal to fickle overseas markets who burn it making stuff to sell back to us.

    There is no downside to Kea’s plan to mine every coal seam in the country. Westport will become a hub of commerce, with rich Asians flocking there to buy property and enjoy the prosperity. This will take pressure off Auckland and spread the wealth to the regions.

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  41. JC (933 comments) says:

    Incidentally ethical investment in some renewable fuels has a twofold benefit.. not only do crops replace the dreaded fossil fuel but also puts up the price of food and currently is probably impacting half a billion people who are now paying more for their grains and slowly starving.

    Whats not to like about achieving a big reduction in world population and saving Mother Gaia?

    JC

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  42. hj (6,712 comments) says:

    Looks like we’ve had the big breakthrough
    https://www.google.co.nz/#q=alternative+energy++breakthrough
    “could”, “might”, “5 years away” “has the potential”

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  43. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    hj, I am all for alternative energy research. But for it to work it must be economically viable and not just an indulgence of the rich, who grew rich only because of the prospertity that came from fossil fuels. Energy storage is a seperate, but related, thing with exciting possibilities.

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  44. hj (6,712 comments) says:

    I suppose the big news will be just a slow strangling death from the bottom up?

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  45. dime (9,660 comments) says:

    “DPF, I can’t find a link to it, but I think you’ll find the Greens’ Superannuation Fund you refer (with a 2001 link) to has been wound up. It certainly doesn’t appear in any Green MP’s Pecuniary Interests register.”

    I thought i saw something on the fat ones return.

    She said she owned a castle in dunedin, a house in dunedin (why does a comrade need two houses???? evil landlord maybe!!!!)

    It said it had shares in some company throughthe green party fund. fitzsimmons name was there.. a coule of other nutjobs.

    It didnt mention the giant designer suits it wears. the money it spent on those could feed a family for a year easily. but oh does it look professional!

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  46. davidp (3,556 comments) says:

    Here is some Green technology in which the Green Superannuation Fund might be interested in investing:

    http://www.springwise.com/methane-backpacks-capture-cow-farts-turn-green-fuel/

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  47. jcuk (637 comments) says:

    When the ‘cheap’ sources of power are used up we will need the ‘expensive’ sources which are self sustaining and good for the planet. If we adopt the expensive sources now then the cheap sources which are good for the standard of living wll last longer. This pre-occupation with cost effectiveness is self defeating foolishness.

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  48. Than (440 comments) says:

    The future of energy production is Nuclear, Geothermal and tidal. The interim is coal and gas. This is reality.

    Hydro is another future energy option.

    I’ll disagree about tidal power. Tidal power is more predictable than wind/solar, but it still shares the fundamental problem of only producing power when the environment gives it to you, rather than when you want it.

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  49. slijmbal (1,223 comments) says:

    Odd that the power generation method that kills the least people and gives off the least of the ‘toxin’ CO2 is Nuclear and arguably the most green and ethical would never make it to any green portfolio but then it’s ideological = anti-logical.

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  50. MT_Tinman (3,043 comments) says:

    Rich Prick (1,346 comments) says:
    May 12th, 2014 at 8:59 am

    The Greens are pretty much the Betamax of economics.

    Except of course Betamax worked rather well – something no one will ever accuse red/green economics of doing.

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  51. Ross12 (1,263 comments) says:

    Windflow should ring up Mr Mills ( Les Mill’s son ) –he thinks greentech is all the rage and criticises the Govt for not doing more. Here is a chance for him to put “his money where his mouth is”.

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  52. emmess (1,394 comments) says:

    Hybrid cars in Japan, now make up about 20% of new car sales and the subsidies are not that large (I read recently US$1500 per vehicle). They are on the verge of being the default option for the average car buyer.
    The problem Greens (at least in New Zealand) have is the ‘car’ part of hybrid cars. I never hear them promote them and occasionally talk them down. They would still be opposed to any road building even if 100% of the car fleet were zero emission vehicles.

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  53. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (833 comments) says:

    If all the Green nutters, socialists and commies of this country fart strong enough there will be enough wind flow. Then the windmills will keep churning non-stop.

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  54. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    emmess, it is not cars the Greens hate, it is people.

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  55. toad (3,672 comments) says:

    @slijmbal 9:56 am

    Odd that the power generation method that kills the least people and gives off the least of the ‘toxin’ CO2 is Nuclear…

    If I were living in China I would be advocating nuclear there rather than the coal-fired stations the Chines are building, for that very reason, slijmbal.

    But in New Zealand we don’t need either, and nuclear would simply not make economic sense unless we’re planning to build a couple of nickel smelters or something. Electricity generated by nuclear here would be prohibitively expensive.

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  56. Rich Prick (1,630 comments) says:

    davidp, that would make for a pretty exciting lightning strike!

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  57. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    fuck me soo many uniformed dingbat posts

    wind is cheap as is solar

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

    The same old fuckwits with the same old uninformed bullshit .

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  58. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    griff once again demonstrates how angry and bitter the radical anti human green movement is.

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  59. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    You talk shit kea.
    unmitigated garbage griff is not a radical green or even a lefty as you are well aware being someone who has in the past called me far right .
    I am not a greeny or a lefty just someone who is aware of reality.
    you on the other hand are purely an idiot. windmills dont work was you first post on this thread unfortunately for you they do and will be around more and more as will electric and hybrid cars. Kea / marnie you are so stupid its a joke.

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  60. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    griff, so much rage & abuse ! And we are only chatting about windmills.

    Riddle me this: If windmills, and other indulgences, really work, then what are the billions of dollars in subsidies used for ?

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  61. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    the world spends trillions on subsidising oil ding bat Depending on the calculation method used, estimates of the amount of
    fossil fuel subsidies worldwide varies between 400 billion ($548
    billion) and 2.6 trillion euros per year. http://www.dw.de/fossil-fuel-subsidies-outstrip-renewables-funding-by-billions/a-17465775
    \
    one day you will actually fact check your bullshit before you post
    oh wait reality and kea go together like shit and dinner

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  62. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    griff, sorry about the misunderstanding, but I was asking about the windmills “that work” not about oil.

    Riddle me this: If windmills, and other indulgences, really work, then what are the billions of dollars in subsidies used for ?

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  63. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    if oil works what are the trillions of subsidies for?
    has the same relevance as your question except oil gets lots more money
    puts a dent in your logic
    Oh its kea no logic required just stupid trolling.

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  64. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I must say it is remarkable that someone would claim there is no money in Oil and the real dollars are in Windmills !

    Contemplate for a moment a wind powered world. Imagine the sea of sails on the Auckland motorway as everyone – drives – to work in their wind powered cars. Thousands tacking back home against the wind at end of the day would be something to see. :)

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  65. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    griff I am still waiting for an answer my angry friend:

    Riddle me this: If windmills, and other indulgences, really work, then what are the billions of dollars in subsidies used for ?

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  66. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Debunking the big-oil subsidy myth
    Energy companies receive same tax treatment as other manufacturers

    Among them is a favorite think tank of the Obama administration, the Center for American Progress (CAP), which regularly insists that taxpayers are “subsidizing big oil companies.”

    That’s simply not true.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/7/debunking-the-big-oil-subsidy-myth/

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  67. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Properly defined, subsidies and deductions are as different as apples and oranges. not when they both give advantage apples and oranges as compared to say mercury.

    The world bank and the international energy agency both say that oil and coal receive more advantage than renewables! trillions to billions

    New Zealand subsidises oil exploration more than it subsidises renewables is also a fact. We have lost billions on the stupid coal mining bullshit. We the new zealand tax payer also pay millions to gena fat tarts reo tinto to give her cheap energy for her smelter again far more than we give renewables

    What the fuck has the situation in the usa got to do with the wide world ?
    it’s a bullshit like I expect from you hence the abuse, why not, pointless trying to discuss any thing with an attention seeking troll

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  68. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    griff, the “subsidies” you are so upset about are normal tax breaks available to all businesses, even windmill farmers and organic bean sprout producers. Calm down !

    Better stock up on Coal for the winter griff. We don’t want you getting a chill :)

    One of the Coldest Winters in 20 Years Shatters Snow Records

    The 2013-14 winter season is one of the coldest winters in 20 years, according to AccuWeather Senior Meteorologist Dave Dombek.

    “It’s probably the coldest the Northeast has seen since 1993-94,” he said in early March.

    With snowfalls approaching annual all-time record highs in many of the major metropolitan areas across the country, the winter season has shattered expense records in the North

    http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/record-breaking-cold-winter-we/24831365

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  69. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    1993-94

    :lol:

    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/map-percentile-mntp/201403-201403.gif

    Back to the pretty pictures again wingnut. remember the blue is cold the red is hot

    surprise there are lots more red than blue. cherry pick all you like you are an idiot with your head in the sand up your arse.
    it’s the same crap from you every time pointless troll. I am not here to feed you attention seeking mental sickness …. good-bye.

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  70. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    griff, please stop being so angry. Dear sweet Kea is not responsible for the lack of warming. :)

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  71. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    kea I gave you a link pointing out the warming even explain the meaning of the colors for you.You then go into full on parrot chess mode and talk nonsense like no warming in the forth warmist year on recored . You are really a fuckwit without a glue proven every time I engage with you

    you want respect acknowledge facts when presented and stop the bullshit untill then you deserve far more abuse than I give you pointless screenlicker with an attention seeking disorder..

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  72. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    What the fuck has the situation in the usa got to do with the wide world ?

    griff, I will remember that next time you use hurricanes in the hurricane belt in hurricane season in the USA as an example of AGW and certain doom.

    Same as when you use the weather being a bit warm and dry in the Aussie desert during the dry season.

    Have another dobbie and think about it.

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  73. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Wind power has failed to deliver what it promised
    The wind-power industry is expensive, passes costs on to the consumer and does not create many jobs in return

    Today, The Sunday Telegraph reveals how many ”green jobs’’ the wind-power industry really generates in exchange for its generous subsidies. The figures show that for 12 months until February 2013, a little over £1.2  billion was paid out to wind farms through a consumer subsidy financed by a supplement on electricity bills. During that period, the industry employed just 12,000 people, which means that each wind-farm job cost consumers £100,000 – an astonishing figure.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/10121584/Wind-power-has-failed-to-deliver-what-it-promised.html

    [£100,000 Good money... if you can get it ! :) ]

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