Can’t win

May 25th, 2014 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Chuang said in good economic times Asians were blamed for buying all the houses, in bad economic times they were blamed for taking jobs.

This is very true.

Partly related to the issue that when lots of NZers are leaving New Zealand, oppositions call it a crisis – yet when the numbers reverse, they then also call it a crisis.

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62 Responses to “Can’t win”

  1. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    Why is pointing out New Zealander’s xenophobia falling to the bird who is only well-known for knobbing the mayor? Why aren’t our media, who grow claws when Key or anyone from the Centre right open their mouths, calling the left out on this bullshit? Aren’t Labour and the Greens meant to be the inclusive hugs for everyone parties? Why do they keep giving Winston oxygen?

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  2. wat dabney (3,671 comments) says:

    She didn’t say anything about asians taking all our husbands?

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  3. 3-coil (1,200 comments) says:

    Maori anti-Asian racism (now re-packaged within the pretentious academic label of “xenophobia”) has been thriving here in New Zealand for decades – but the biased MSM realise that it doesn’t fit their fairy tale version of the colonial oppression of the noble savages etc etc….so it has been traditionally ignored. Unfortunately for the leftist media, the inconvenient truth (ie reality) can’t be suppressed forever.

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  4. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    What I find interesting is that even though people can see with their own eyes the reason for the out-of-whack house prices in Akld, the conservative politicians and some of the conservative media hacks, like Hoskings, are unable to admit this self-evident truth and instead try to pretend such accusations are wacist.

    As I’ve said before, nothing wrong with 40,000 new residents + families entering the country each and every year, but why, pray tell, are we required to allow them all to settle in Akld and why, pray tell, is the country not allowed to have a debate about whether or not we want to have what is now effectively a two-speed economy which will result in and is already a fundamental change of our way of life in this once largely egalitarian nation?

    This country does not belong to conservative politicians who are too stupid to work out how to have this debate without upsetting our major and most-critical trading partner, and it does not belong to media hacks who are too stupid to work out the difference between real wacism and a meme they spread so they can bray about something else, either.

    Maori anti-Asian racism… has been thriving for decades

    Yeah, there are two traits in Maori that we’re not allowed to talk about, their wacism (e.g. listen to what they say about PI’s let alone Asians) and their snobbery. They are the biggest class snobs I’ve ever met, look at how they treat their royalty.

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  5. lolitasbrother (478 comments) says:

    haha all the beautiful Thai girls were here in my house yesterday, Asian people are so good I have seen,
    Minister Immigration Woodhouse said he was going to stop improper working wages low,
    the fool on the hill,
    the Thai girls said to me you shut up you mouth or we get sacked go back to Thailand its $12 a day there,

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  6. lolitasbrother (478 comments) says:

    hey Reid. read Tumeke Tim Selwyn, he looks as Asian as you can get, but he think he Maori,
    and jesus the poor man so racist against our Asian cousin.
    Life is hard friend, we have to roll with the punch.

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  7. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    “Chuang said in good economic times Asians were blamed for buying all the houses, in bad economic times they were blamed for taking jobs.

    This is very true.”

    Yes i agree its true. I was in a barfoot and thompson auction a couple of weeks ago, 3/4 of the houses went to asians. Last i saw Auckland isnt 3/4 asian.
    I was so glad when a pakeha won an auction as they were sitting behind me and had a kiwi accent i applauded them a lot and they were very relieved no asians were interested in it as it was out west

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  8. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    Personally, I welcome Labour and the Greens calling housing a crisis.

    Look what happened to manufacturing and to exporting when LabourGreenNZFirstMana declared those sectors to be in crisis. Manufacturing has been in positive territory for almost two years now, and exports hit $50b for the first time ever in the year to March :D

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  9. srylands (386 comments) says:

    More urban land for housing. Reform local planning laws. See how that works. Then we can revisit some of the other ideas.

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  10. wat dabney (3,671 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Why not relax and let the price mechanism operate as normal? No need for Peoples’ Tribunals to decide where we are allowed to live. Nobody has the right to live in the most expensive area of the country, A great many people find that they can’t afford to buy a house near where they grew up. That’s not new. The idea that people from recently gentrified areas need special help, as opposed to those growing up in still-poor areas, is ridiculous. Apart from anything else, they are likely to inherit the expensive housing eventually.

    why, pray tell, is the country not allowed to have a debate about whether or not we want to have what is now effectively a two-speed economy which will result in and is already a fundamental change of our way of life in this once largely egalitarian nation?

    Keep those serfs on the farms!

    The only people who get rich out of agriculture are the farmers, not the employees. That wicked ‘two-tier’ economy is a lifeline for most people.

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  11. greenjacket (416 comments) says:

    There was a manufacturing crisis. Then there was an emigration crisis. Then there was a regional employment crisis. Then there is a housing crisis, caused by an immigration crisis.
    Greens-Labour – perpetual outrage at invented crisis.

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  12. Lance (2,451 comments) says:

    Oh look… martinh is a racist.
    No mention of them being foreign residents, no talk of if they were NZ residents or not.
    Only the way they looked.

    Pure racism

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  13. JC (909 comments) says:

    Agree with srylands.

    Its pointless looking for migration restrictions etc when we haven’t taken the basic economic steps of making more land available and/or letting the market find its own level where people buy a better car and live in a cheaper home further out.

    The housing shortage in AK is a lot like the crony manufacturers who are in Labour’s ear.. the greedy buggers are doing well but are still trying to screw the scrum more in their favour.. so the yuppies are insisting they should be able to buy cheap in the fashionable suburbs of AK.

    JC

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  14. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    martinh: We have a rural property for sale, and the day an agent arrives with Asians, I will be very happy. No haggling, no whinging, no finance, and a quick cash deal.

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  15. WineOh (549 comments) says:

    I have no issues with immigration per-se, nor any particular ethnicity joining our culture. Diversity the spice of life etc, skills and experience welcome any time.

    My big bug-bear in this area are those that come here with no ability to speak English, nor the inclination to learn it. How the heck do you expect to get a job and contribute to society here if you can’t communicate with anybody else. This article today emphasised it for me:

    “Auckland’s health boards are spending millions each year on translation services catering to more than 85 ethnic groups who have little or no knowledge of English.”

    “Just under 60 per cent of Aucklanders are of European ancestry compared with 74 per cent nationally. Poole said that an English speaker who became ill or had an accident when overseas would expect interpreter help if they didn’t speak the local language. “When you are dealing with medical issues, getting it right is absolutely critical.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/10081328/Health-translation-bill-rises-in-superdiverse-Auckland

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  16. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    IGM.
    I agree, i have a beachhouse that im trying to sell as we want to go somewhere else as its getting too busy in the warkworth area at holidays now.

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  17. Paulus (2,500 comments) says:

    To the media and their friends Labour/Greenpeace/Winston/ManaInternet everything is wrong.
    So what is new – John Armstrong is on the pill, I think for dementia.
    He is predicting that the above group of misfits will win the election – with MMP he might be right is National/ACT supporters do not turn up due to the apathy being portrayed in the media.
    What will the media do if the disparate group win ?
    There will be legislation immediately make it illegal to admit what a cock up they caused, and like North Korea they will be limited to what they can say after census.
    God help New Zealand.

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  18. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Paulus
    All National would have to do would be to ban foreign house speculators and they will shut down Labour and Winston but they wont do it.
    Why not?? Why for National is not doing that worth losing power over?

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  19. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    Why not relax and let the price mechanism operate as normal?

    This is the approach advocated by free market fanatics who hallucinate the market is always the answer to everything and like all fanatics, they won’t change their mind and they can’t change the subject.

    For those of us who aren’t fanatics, we see there are times when the market supply-demand equation does not work and it requires some interference. One example of this is in financial market regulation and everyone but a real fanatic would accept that such is only reasonable. For example lack of such is precisely what generated the GFC, when Bush repealed Glass-Steagal and all the greedy bankers then went nuts with their new-found opportunity to hide bad debts inside financial instruments and when the music stopped the taxpayers were left holding the bag. This really did happen just a few short years ago but apparently, fanatics don’t read history or if they do, they forget it after they’ve read it. The lesson is, sometimes interference really truly is both desirable and necessary.

    Another example we see happening all the time both in history and also today is the gold rush phenomena where when people gather to exploit a new find by digging up the dirt, the prices of all sorts of commodities the camp needs to keep themselves going go through the roof. This is caused by a distorted supply-demand equation and if you want to solve it you need to look at both sides of the equation and not just the one side. No-one really cares about this distortion when it happens in the context of a temporary gold rush camp in the middle of nowhere but if you have a city that cannot be moved people should and do care because there is no other choice but to care, since you can’t move the city and it is not temporary.

    Dealing with both sides of the equation is simply a much faster way to address the imbalance and in Akld’s case therefore dealing with both the supply and the demand is mere common sense. The thing people don’t seem to mention when having this conversation is, what precisely is wrong with dealing with the demand? This is not the immigrant’s country, it is ours. When you come to someone else’s home, you live by their rules. And if we decide to structure the points system so that it’s virtually impossible for a new immigrant to settle in Akld, but very easy for them to settle, permanently, in any other NZ city, what pray tell is wrong with doing that?

    So we’re not telling the Chinese that they can’t come, we’re simply telling them, welcome to our country, please feel free to live anywhere but in Akld. This approach is simple to implement, it is saleable to the Chinese in that it will not endanger our trading relationship and the only people who won’t be happy are people who already own property in Akld, but newsflash, the interests of Akld property owners are not the only factors to be considered, when you’re deciding how to deal with what is becoming a distinct two-speed economy, which if allowed to continue, will have a permanent effect on the lifestyle of every single adult and child in this country.

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  20. NK (1,068 comments) says:

    These jobs that the “bloody Asians” are taking are “owned” by employers.They should be able to hire who they like.

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  21. Manolo (13,358 comments) says:

    @martinh: are you an imbecile or only a wonderful impersonator? :-)

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  22. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Manolo
    Tell me why im an imbecile and i may have to agree with you

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  23. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Manolo
    Come on, myself and others are awaiting your proof

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  24. Jack5 (4,584 comments) says:

    The answer could be to Singapore-ise Auckland.

    When the Chinese of Singapore tipped the racial balance in old Malaya, Singapore was hived off as an overwhelmingly Chinese, city-state.

    We could have a pakeha-Maori, agriculture-export based, rugby and racing strong NZ. Meanwhile, Auckland’s Asian population could turn the city into a South Pacific state more than paying its own way with technology-based exports. This would need Singapore-style administration of course, with repression of drug taking, work-fare rather than welfare, and a tad less democracy. Auckland would have the disadvantage of not having the geography to be a great port, but it wouldn’t have to spend as much per capita on defence.

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  25. mandk (819 comments) says:

    Wait a minute.
    Maori are complaining about Asians coming here, but aren’t Maori supposed to have come from Asia themselves?
    Oops!

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  26. Jack5 (4,584 comments) says:

    Twat dabney posted at 10.39:

    The only people who get rich out of agriculture are the farmers, not the employees…

    Are you a city street kid, Twat dabney? Thousands of farmers have begun as farmhands, become share milkers, then become farm owners.

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  27. wat dabney (3,671 comments) says:

    Reid,

    I’m afraid you last post is just waffle which was naive at best but mostly just very confused and rambling, as well as being largely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

    So we’re not telling the Chinese that they can’t come, we’re simply telling them, welcome to our country, please feel free to live anywhere but in Akld. This approach is simple to implement

    How is it simple to implement?

    Suppose a Chinaman buys shares in a company that owns property in Auckland? Is that allowed?

    Will all companies now have to track the residential status of all of their shareholders?

    Are Auckland rentals suddenly to be required to post the traditional ‘No dogs. No Chinese.’ signs?

    Many ethnic Chinese Kiwis have local roots going back well over a hundred years. Are they to be singled out for special questioning, or are we all to receive that treatment now? Perhaps we should have internal passports like in the Soviet Union, which were used to prevent poor peasants all moving to the cities for a better life. That might stop the dread ‘two-tier’economy.

    This is not the immigrant’s country, it is ours.

    Actually, it’s a free country. You don’t get to implement your ugly statist plans I’m afraid.

    You bleat on and on about your stupid government conspiracy theories, yet all the time you have a real government conspiracy of your own that you’d love to see imposed on the rest of us.

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  28. Southern Raider (1,577 comments) says:

    To me all National needs to do is ban foreign investors buying residential property. Residents can do what they like.

    It would have a social benefit to NZ, wouldn’t affect existing home owners and would shut out the left policies.

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  29. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    It just occurred to me that the fact the only people who would not like a solution to the Akld property distortion are the property owners there, is the real reason why neither political side is talking about managing the demand, because elections are won or lost in Akld and pissing off all the property owners there, is therefore guaranteed to lose you the election.

    This means that the politicians on both sides are abrogating their responsibility to represent the entire country in favour of their own, narrow venal interests.

    So, let’s get this perfectly clear. The solution I suggest above is not rocket science in fact its common sense, it is eminently doable and it would be very effective, solving the problem in a heartbeat after it came into effect. So you can bet all the people who are paid to analyse politics for a living have thought of it.

    The effects of a permanent two-speed economy are undeniably deleterious to all NZ citizens who don’t own property in Akld.

    So out of their own venal interests, our national politicians, who have the bare-faced cheek to loudly and repeatedly claim that they are fit to be our elected representatives to our NATIONAL Parliament, are selling all NZ citizens who don’t own Akld property down the river.

    Thanks guys. I always knew most of you weren’t fit for office, now I know that none of you are, starting with Key and going on down the line, on both sides.

    To me all National needs to do is ban foreign investors buying residential property. Residents can do what they like.

    Duh. That’s not the problem, and it never has been. It’s a red herring thrown out by politicians to distract the reef fish. We grant 40,000 Residence permits each and every year. Most of them settle in Akld. That’s why property is going nuts, because you are getting 40,000 brand new families with money entering the market each and every year. It’s the foreign resident permits that are the problem, not the non-residents. And like I said, by all means keep granting them, just don’t let them settle in Akld.

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  30. Jack5 (4,584 comments) says:

    Twat dabney blunders away again at 11.34. After defending Asian immigration he uses the derogatory term “Chinaman”, which comes from NZ’s really racist days when Chinese were discriminated against with poll taxes and were very nastily treated by most of the population. To give Helen Clark her due, she apologised for that.

    The term Chinaman is logically accurate just as the N-word is. The latter, of course, ultimately comes from the word for black. However, like the N-word, the term “Chinaman” is contaminated by its popular use through decades of discrimination. In the “Chinaman” case, against Chinese New Zealanders, into the second and third NZ-born generations.

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  31. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    I think Labour’s electricity policy could be re-used to sort out issues in the Auckland housing market. What are those issues? 1. Prices too high. 2. Greedy Aucklanders selling their houses for too much money. 3. Undesirable non-white people owning our sacred NZ land.

    So… Like with electricity, set up a single market for Auckland housing. It would be illegal for Greedy Aucklanders to sell their homes on the open market to the highest bidder. Instead, they would be forced to sell to a government agency at the price the government decides is fair. In order to reduce inequality, the price offered for properties that are currently very expensive would be substantially reduced. The government agency would then either re-sell or rent the property for a small profit. Sales would be to white people who are real Green-voting NZers like Russel Norman. Rentals would be to Asian NZers, so that we avoid any situation where Asian people own our holy NZ land.

    For example… A property in Ponsonby might currently be on the market for over $1million, making it clearly unaffordable for a real NZer just out of school. Like Gareth Hughes or Julie Genter. There is a risk that a Chinese NZer might buy the property using the filthy profits from their business. So instead, the owner of the property will be forced to sell to the Department of Auckland Property for $300k. The Department then sells the property on to a young white family (who, just to clarify might be comprise two gay blokes or two lesbian women) for $305k, with the profit funding the operations of the Department. Inflation is lower. Interest rates are lower. Asian NZers are forced to move to Levin or Westport so Aucklanders won’t have to interact with them. There are more jobs for public servants. And Jacinda Ardern no longer has to live in her little red and white caravan. How can this not be an attractive policy for Labour, the Greens, and NZ First?

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  32. wat dabney (3,671 comments) says:

    To me all National needs to do is ban foreign investors buying residential property.

    Again, what you really mean is you want the government to ban Kiwis from peacefully selling their own property to whoever they wish.

    Should the government also ban Kiwis from buying property abroad? Presumably yes, if we are going to adhere to a principled position, and after already having established that we are serfs of the state with no real property rights.

    Besides which, what do you actually think happens to foreign-owned property? Do you think they ship it back to China?

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  33. altiora (206 comments) says:

    I am not surprised. immigration policy seems to dehumanise immigrants: they are either factors of production or else walking money machines, and not human beings. We don’t want them for who they are, but rather what they can give us. So it is very easy to demonise. There seems to be next to no democratic debate about immigration policy, so again it is no surprise that it is the subject of political charlatans.

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  34. wat dabney (3,671 comments) says:

    It just occurred to me that the fact the only people who would not like a solution to the Akld property distortion are the property owners there,

    What a surprise. Reid has stumbled upon another conspiracy.

    The effects of a permanent two-speed economy are undeniably deleterious to all NZ citizens who don’t own property in Akld.

    Of all the rubbish you spout, this has to be in the top 10.

    Your Pol-Potish scheme to outlaw wealth creation on the grounds that those living in the country won’t get rich as fast as those living in the cities.

    This means that the politicians on both sides are abrogating their responsibility to represent the entire country in favour of their own, narrow venal interests.

    Since everyone has competing interests and aspirations it is beyond childish for you to imagine that a government can represent everyone.

    That is precisely why governments mustn’t use their monopoly on violence to favour some groups over others as you propose, and why they must instead simply stick to upholding individual rights; which includes property rights.

    If you wish to jerk-off to your fascist fantasy may I direct you to the Green Party blog.

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  35. Slipster (39 comments) says:

    “… when lots of NZers are leaving New Zealand, oppositions call it a crisis – yet when the numbers reverse, they then also call it a crisis.”

    Oh yes, anyone remember the so-called “exodus”?

    I was amused back then by the shrill protests against the perfectly normal, low volume migration.
    I am equally amused now by the same shrill protests against the reversal of same.

    What shall we call it now, “inodus”?

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  36. Ross12 (1,148 comments) says:

    Well done davidp !!!

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  37. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    There are simply too many Asians/Indians

    I was in a Dick Smith shop. Served by two Indian girls. One didn’t have any knowledge whatsoever of the job
    and the other one had to take over. Obviously a case of family loyalty while someone with the necessary credentials misses a job and Kiwibloggers can call that person a bludger thanks to nepotism that runs rife in Asian cultural society.

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  38. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Maori are complaining about Asians coming here, but aren’t Maori supposed to have come from Asia themselves?”

    Maori come from the Cooks who don’t even like them.

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  39. Bob (479 comments) says:

    You can’t expect the opposition to agree with the government otherwise there would be no reason to change the government.

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  40. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    Since everyone has competing interests and aspirations it is beyond childish for you to imagine that a government can represent everyone.

    democracy
    dɪˈmɒkrəsi/
    noun
    a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

    Yes wat, very childish, this whole democracy business, isn’t it.

    Your Pol-Potish scheme to outlaw wealth creation on the grounds that those living in the country won’t get rich as fast as those living in the cities.

    You don’t get on with reality at all, do you wat. We haven’t been talking about cities, we’ve been talking about a city. That’s the only place where the issue exists, no other cities in this country have the same issue.

    So having established the location of the issue wat, let me explain what the issue is. Sorry if I sound condescending, but you’re quite the idiot so I need to be childishly simplistic. I won’t use all caps to explain it although I probably should, because that would probably throw up a further complication that could well overwhelm your obviously limited thinking capacity and I don’t really want to repeat myself, over and over and over again until you finally get it.

    The issue is: the disparity that this market distortion will create over time between Akld and the rest of the country, if we don’t address it now. That disparity will change this country forever because it will lead vast numbers of young people into becoming lifelong renters and it will also lock vast numbers of people out of moving to Akld, because if left alone, the price discrepancy relative to incomes will reach unaffordable positions in the not too distant future, within say the next ten years.

    That is a fundamental change in the make-up of this country and my point is, if you have read what I have been saying about it not just above but in days past, if the country wants that, then fine. But we’re not even debating it. Because the politicians aren’t fronting the issue and the media is, yet again, apparently too stupid to recognise this is precisely what the Fourth Estate is there to do – to generate discussion on issues of national import if for any reason the politicians refuse to raise it themselves.

    It’s not rocket science, to most people, and I do realise you’re probably reading this wat with quite the furrowed brow, but I can’t help that mate, I wish I could, but I can’t.

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  41. MikeG (392 comments) says:

    Of course the National view on most things is “there is no crisis, but it was caused by the previous Labour government”

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  42. altiora (206 comments) says:

    Jack5 don’t be such a fool; Wat Dabney was using the term tongue in cheek to characterise the anti-Asian sentiment. Even someone with your faculties could see that, simply by looking a few lines down to his reference to “ethnic Chinese”. Seriously, what’s with this leftist habit of smearing whenever possible?

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  43. Judith (7,595 comments) says:

    Bob (451 comments) says:
    May 25th, 2014 at 12:45 pm
    You can’t expect the opposition to agree with the government otherwise there would be no reason to change the government.

    And, you can’t expect the government to agree with the opposition otherwise there would be no reason to run for re-election. Or, to put up the fight they are – which seems to be pointing out everything negative about the opposition they can find or make up, rather than actually emphasizing the good things that they have to offer. Leaving one to think, perhaps there aren’t any?

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  44. Judith (7,595 comments) says:

    Why do they keep giving Winston oxygen?

    Because real people, out there in the real world, driving on the real roads, shopping in the real shops, and trying to compete in the real world, can associate what Winston says with what they are experiencing. That is why people are listening to Winston, because he is giving them a reason which they can identify with.

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  45. Paulus (2,500 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business

    You are correct in that the language of the Cook Islands is Pacific Maori from whence current Maori arrived.

    But of recent years it is publically accepted that the DNA of the present Maori comes from the present tribes in South East Taiwan.
    Then that would eventually lead to the Cooks.

    Remember Winston Peters said that he was Chinese, after that declaration, when questioned about his hatred of Chinese immigration.

    Of course current Maori would only accept that they came from the Gods of Taniwha, albeit that there are no pure Maori left in New Zealand – possibly in the Cooks though.

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  46. Southern Raider (1,577 comments) says:

    Wat that is bollocks

    Most people in NZ buy and sell residential property in the same market. Reducing the sales price would occur across the board so no one is worse off and it makes it easier for NZ first home buyers.

    What is the logic of Chinese offshore investors being able to buy up loads of residential property when we aren’t allowed to do the same in China and all they are doing is using our property market for money laundering

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  47. Jack5 (4,584 comments) says:

    Altiora posted at 1pm about Twat Dabney’s usein his 11.34 post of the derogatory term “Chinaman”:

    Wat Dabney was using the term tongue in cheek to characterise the anti-Asian sentiment.

    Then Twat Dabney obviously has a very big tongue and a lot of cheek.

    However, Altiora, your defence of him could well be used by those who use the verboten N-word.

    Regarding Wiki in his 12.38 post:

    Maori come from the Cooks who don’t even like them…

    That’s why the Cook Islanders call their language Cook Island Maori, is it?

    And you know, WIki, that Maori’s ancient ancestors were the aboriginal people of Taiwan, who are under Nationalist Chinese yoke.

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  48. wat dabney (3,671 comments) says:

    Raider,

    Again, you don’t tell us what happens to properties purchased by foreigners.

    Do they burn them down?

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  49. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    Southern Raider (1,421 comments) says:
    May 25th, 2014 at 1:22 pm
    Wat that is bollocks

    Most people in NZ buy and sell residential property in the same market. Reducing the sales price would occur across the board so no one is worse off and it makes it easier for NZ first home buyers.

    What is the logic of Chinese offshore investors being able to buy up loads of residential property when we aren’t allowed to do the same in China and all they are doing is using our property market for money laundering

    *sigh* Really? You really want to buy property in china?

    The environmental pollution
    The popping housing bubble.
    Shoddy construction standards and accidents ensuing.
    Land is owned by the state, and anyone buying it merely gets a temporary land use right.

    Why do you think that the Chinese are buying land in New Zealand, Africa and many other countries? At least, those that can afford it.

    I suspect you are just posting headline related nonsense, and can’t back up your money laundering claim with any substantiation that applies to Chinese buyers in general here in New Zealand. Most native Chinese I know here and overseas (do you know any Chinese), think highly of real estate investment. Many apartments in Chinese cities are owned and held empty as investments, and renting them out is not even considered.

    Disclaimer: I am not Chinese and grew up white in a small NZ town that had maybe two asian families.

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  50. gander (87 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (3,543 comments) says:
    May 25th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
    There are simply too many Asians/Indians

    I was in a Dick Smith shop. Served by two Indian girls. One didn’t have any knowledge whatsoever of the job
    and the other one had to take over. Obviously a case of family loyalty while someone with the necessary credentials misses a job and Kiwibloggers can call that person a bludger thanks to nepotism that runs rife in Asian cultural society.

    1. Where did you find a Dick Smith shop where 50% of the staff knew the job?

    2. I agree, though; even the 50% who you thought did know the job clearly did not know how to properly adjust your tinfoil hat.

    3. How do you come to know that someone with the necessary credentials missed out on that job?

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  51. wat dabney (3,671 comments) says:

    Reid,

    What’s childish is your disappointment that the government doesn’t represent the entire country when, as I said, there are endless competing interests and aspirations which make such a thing a contradiction and an impossibility.

    Put another way, can you list some governments which have ever done such a thing? Show us some of these ethereal places where no interests were ever advanced by the state at the expense of others?

    As for your violent plans for social justice, you know what you can do with them. Most of us have no wish to live in the fantasy Hobbiton you have planned for us, leading the contented pastural lives you deign appropriate.

    Sorry that the population of New Zealand disappoints you so much, taking all those personal decisions which directly contradict your express wishes; choosing to move to the big smoke in search of excitement and opportunity.

    Again, you’d be happier discussing your internal passports on the Green Party blog.

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  52. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    Judith (6,179 comments) says:
    May 25th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
    Why do they keep giving Winston oxygen?

    Because real people, out there in the real world, driving on the real roads, shopping in the real shops, and trying to compete in the real world, can associate what Winston says with what they are experiencing. That is why people are listening to Winston, because he is giving them a reason which they can identify with.

    Can’t be many of these real people of yours in NZ Judith, otherwise Winston would have had a more successful career.

    It’s more likely that people want something that can only be given to them, by taking it away from others. Winston as a charming opportunist offers people that something, and the entitled few throw him their votes like dogs after a bone. But then, that’s not contrasting with what you posted.

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  53. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Of course current Maori would only accept that they came from the Gods of Taniwha, albeit that there are no pure Maori left in New Zealand – possibly in the Cooks though.”

    The only reason European’s admit PI’s are full blood is because they can’t access Pacific lands. Otherwise no PI would be safe on their land.

    The Hawaiian’s cerainly weren’t from teh US who used the same excuse they used to invade the ME

    Weapons of mass destruction in Hawaii. To gain Hawaiian land

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  54. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (3,543 comments) says:
    May 25th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
    There are simply too many Asians/Indians

    I was in a Dick Smith shop. Served by two Indian girls. One didn’t have any knowledge whatsoever of the job
    and the other one had to take over. Obviously a case of family loyalty while someone with the necessary credentials misses a job and Kiwibloggers can call that person a bludger thanks to nepotism that runs rife in Asian cultural society.

    *sigh* Really?

    The last time I went into Dick Smith on K Road, there was a very lovely young Indian girl on hand. She knew what I wanted better than I did, and suggested I wait until the next sale to get it on special. As a point of contrast, most white guys who I’ve dealt with in there, were less helpful and less clued up. Let’s bring in more Indians. There’s a lovely spice shop owned by Indians in Mt Eden, I stop there after going to the asian supermarket on Dominion Road that the Chinese own.

    Who goes to Dick Smith anyway.. it’s shit.

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  55. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    Yes I didn’t think you’d get it wat. Tell me, if you go to someone’s house and they ask you to take your shoes off when you come inside, do you think that’s a violent interference of your “right” to wear shoes any damn place you feel like?

    And if a country has rules for people who want to live in it, is that a violent interference of those people’s right to do any damn thing they like anywhere they please?

    Apparently, this is precisely what you think. Perhaps you should know that many other people don’t feel the same way about that as you do, and we’ll continue to set rules when people come to visit us, on the grounds that we’re not making them come to us, and if they don’t like the rules we set, they don’t have to come.

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  56. Judith (7,595 comments) says:

    @ wikiriwhis business (3,543 comments) says:
    May 25th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    You think that is bad. Recently a friend had a serious operation and was given two Indian nurses to care for him in recovery. He has some specific health concerns requiring special medications which are given when needed for particular symptoms when he experiences them – he identifies what he needs and when. They couldn’t understand him and he couldn’t understand them because their language skills were so bad, which resulted in him being made to take the wrong meds for his symptoms causing big complications to his recovery. (They were meds on his prescription list, but not the ones he required at that point)

    Whilst its frustrating when shopping, in this case it could have had serious consequences. According to other staff these nurses are on a cheaper rate to what experienced NZ nurses expect – hence their use.

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  57. Southern Raider (1,577 comments) says:

    Wat there is a lot that have no interest in renting them out as it is just a way of spreading their wealth around the globe and therefore not stuck in China if things change.

    If foreigners want to put capital into NZ they can buy shares. What is the big deal with residential property? Do you have a big portfolio your planning to flick off

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  58. simpleton1 (155 comments) says:

    English language, able to be properly written and spoken should be the ultimate aim, including New Zealanders. Training in their jobs should also meet a practical standard, though I know it can be used to bar people by institution monopolies.

    Had a similiar experience to Judith’s friend, when my father was in hospital. Not only did the 2 nurses seem unable to read the notes of my fathers condition, it was with great difficulty to talk to them and for me to understand them, that I had to become authoritarian to stop them aggravating and causing great pain to my father’s condition.
    As I knew I could not be there 24/7 I did not officially complain, but welcomed with great relief when other more practical experienced English speaking nurses came on shift.

    My mother’s experience was in reverse, as it was the arrogance of a local, that did do things that caused great pain and bruising, and the other foreign nurses with reasonable English, and attentiveness, coped very well, practically and quickly with my mother’s condition.

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  59. Jack5 (4,584 comments) says:

    C’mon Twat Dabney, you haven’t backed down from your use (11.34 post) of the derogatory term “Chinaman” while purporting to defend Asian immigration:

    This from Wikipedia:

    Chinaman is a contentious English language term that denotes a Chinese man or person, or as a Chinese national, or, in some cases, an indiscriminate term for a person native to geographical East Asia or of perceived East Asian race. Although the term has no negative connotations in older dictionaries, and the usage of such parallel compound terms as Englishman, Frenchman and Irishman remain unobjectionable, the term Chinaman is noted as offensive by modern dictionaries. Its derogatory connotations evolved from its use in pejorative contexts regarding the Chinese and other Asians.

    Your silence condemns you, Mr Dabney.

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  60. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Winston founded NZ First on No More Sales of State Assets, No Overseas Investors Having More Than “45%” Holdings In Major NZ Companies, No More Raw Timber Exports, they must be processed, No More Immigration Until All Kiwis Are Employed. Well, what happened, he was offered a few baubles and the lot of these conditions were thrown down the pub toilet, along with the preferential party listings.

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  61. wat dabney (3,671 comments) says:

    Tell me, if you go to someone’s house and they ask you to take your shoes off when you come inside, do you think that’s a violent interference of your “right” to wear shoes any damn place you feel like?

    Reid considers New Zealand to be his house.

    Quite the delusions of grandeur.

    l’etat, c’est moi!

    It means he then gets to tell everyone else what to do.

    So just what else must we do in “your house”, Reid?

    Polish your boots, perhaps?

    Carry you around in a sedan chair like the Grand Poobah?

    Remember, we’re your property as well, so don’t be shy.

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  62. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    Some commentary on the why of auckland House prices versus the rest. Interesting.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/property/70084/alistair-helm-examines-record-see-if-current-housing-market-entering-bubble-phase

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