Dom Post on marriage of convenience

May 28th, 2014 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The Dom Post editorial:

So the Maori radical and the German squillionaire have spawned their odd little party. No surprise there. The deal suits both partners. The now has a chance of getting into Parliament whereas before it had none. And Mana wins a chance of finding more supporters among the geeks and the worshippers of Kim Dotcom.

Radicals like Mana’s John Minto reject Sue Bradford’s charge that they have sold out to the wealthy German. Bradford, staunch and true to her ideals as usual, has predictably stormed out. But, in a sense, Minto is right. He has not abandoned his support for progressive taxes and soaking the rich. He has not had to swallow a dead rat.

What is glossed over is how can you stand up for low paid workers, when you effectively merge with a party controlled by a guy who is accused of not even paying the minimum wage to his staff.

The only question now is: will this political oddity, bred on the wrong side of the bed, have any appeal to the voters? Its best hope is to win about 2 per cent of the party vote – double what Mana got last time – and bring the still-unnamed leader of the Internet Party in on the list. If Annette Sykes won Waiariki, that would be a big dollop of cream on the cake.

Actually if Sykes won Waiariki, then the Internet would have one fewer List MP and the Internet Party leader may not get in.

Maybe the geeks and the radical Maori and Pakeha can persuade enough voters to back their odd little band. It’s also perfectly possible that Harawira will lose his seat to Labour and Sykes will fail in Waiariki. That would sink the Internet Party, which will certainly not pass the 5 per cent barrier by itself. The whole strange experiment could easily collapse.

I suspect Labour will quietly tell Kelvin Davis not too campaign too hard so Harawira retains his seat.

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58 Responses to “Dom Post on marriage of convenience”

  1. tvb (4,512 comments) says:

    For kelvin Davis to help Internet-mana he would want a good list spot and with Labour’s poor polling and that Davis is a straight male there is no guarantee of a good ranking. He did not get it last time. What a tangled web you weave when you set put to deceive.

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  2. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  3. tvb (4,512 comments) says:

    It is not simple file sharing it was blatant alleged theft of intellectual property on a grand scale. I have seen a figure of $200 million.

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  4. Tarquin North (358 comments) says:

    A tragic marriage of convenience. The frightening part is, the offspring will make Sue Bradford look like Marilyn Monroe.

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  5. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    It doesn’t matter what the value was, or even whether it was file sharing or not.

    The GCSB was set up for security services, to protect us against foreign govt driven threats to our government. It was never intended that this agency be used to prosecute internal criminals, even if you do regard file sharing as a crime.

    My view is that file sharing is a matter of private contract.

    Govt should not be involved.

    It is an abuse of govt that the NZ GCSB was diverted from its true purpose to spying on file sharers only because in the US Obama was being blackmailed by his Hollywood donors.

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  6. tas (646 comments) says:

    I suspect Labour will quietly tell Kelvin Davis not too campaign too hard so Harawira retains his seat.

    Maybe Labour will follow a two-election strategy: Kill off Mana now, so they don’t have to accommodate Mana and Dotcom in a left-wing coalition in 3 years.

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  7. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Sue Bradford will never look like anything but a Communist/ Marxist to me.

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  8. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    In New Zealand, being accused of something does not necessarily mean that is what has happened. Accusations are easy to make.

    Never underestimate the voting power of the disgruntled. I suspect there are very few people that could even care what KDC may or may not have done – but will simply vote for the Internet Party because it is a good way of using the protest vote of not being happy with the other choices.

    I actually suspect that joining with the Mana party will decrease his votes for that reason. Whilst some would happily place a protest vote with a party that they know will eventually go no-where, they might be less inclined to vote for the IP, knowing that Mana is involved.

    @ Redbaiter
    So what does a Communist/Marxist look like?

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  9. s.russell (1,646 comments) says:

    I can’t help but contemplate that the sellout by Harawira to Dotcom might drive Maori nationalist voters back into the arms of the Maori Party – which could win the Te Tai Tokerau seat in a three way split. I would find that outcome deliciously ironic. May be wishful thinking of course.

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  10. mara (795 comments) says:

    I wonder if Kelvin Davis saw this coming.

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  11. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    “So what does a Communist/Marxist look like?”

    This

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JtTfGekhAhY/SLPR1ucsacI/AAAAAAAABiI/-_BJTs2whk0/s400/a050596.0.jpg

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  12. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (895 comments) says:

    Very simple folks. Messiah will offer Kelvin Cake Davis a top list seat saying – “Kelvin is a bright Maori star and deserves a high list placing”. Then a nod and wink – Kelvin campaigns like Paul Goldsmith in Epsom, concentrating on party vote only….Horny Hone wins. FatCon’s representative gets into Parliament…..becomes Justice Minister….blocks Fatcon’s extradition and NZ celebrates….Game over….

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  13. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Actually, to be more accurate, Bradford is more of a Maoist.

    See her Keywiki biography for all the time she spent in China, and never once protested about the anti-human rights activities of the Chinese Communists she was learning from.

    It is only in the west that this stark hypocrite chooses to protest such things.

    http://www.keywiki.org/Sue_Bradford

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  14. prosper (172 comments) says:

    A communist looks like Russell Norman.

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  15. OneTrack (3,228 comments) says:

    “So what does a Communist/Marxist look like?”

    The Green Party.

    (Oop. Prosper beat me to it)

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  16. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Prime example of why eligibility to vote should be based on whether you pay net positive tax or not.

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  17. georgebolwing (1,005 comments) says:

    Of the many disgusting things about this deal, I think the worst is that it will dissolve six weeks after the election. I guess Mana should get some credit for being transparent in their prostitution, but not much.

    If anything will galvinize support for getting rid of the one seat safety valve, it is probably this.

    It will also add more fuel to the fire on the separate Maori seats, since, assuming that the leader of the Internet party will not be Maori, it will be very hard to see how this arrangement advances Maori interests ( other than allowing them to charge for providing routes into parliament for the otherwise unelectable).

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  18. mikenmild (11,742 comments) says:

    Yes Reddy, coz a nutjob like Trevor Loudon will have the right picture of Sue Bradford.

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  19. Ross Miller (1,706 comments) says:

    Gueez Red … your unhealthy fixation with and your attempt to blame John Key for anything and everything can’t be good for the state of your mental health. So now, in your lexicon, the whole crim.com affair is the result of a conspiracy between Obama. Hollywood and Key. Silly old me and I thought it was a simple matter of the extradition treaty that exists between our two countries being invoked.

    Still, when you are wedded to the belief that Key and National are worse than Clarke and Labour anything, but anything, is possible.

    sigh

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  20. georgebolwing (1,005 comments) says:

    Southern Raider: based on a Treasury study (http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2004/04-20), albeit from a few years ago, your proposal would disenfranchise about half the population. In particular, most people over 65, those still in full-time education and many parents of young children would not be able to vote. Gang members, prostitutes and drug dealers would probably be eligible.

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  21. lilman (967 comments) says:

    Annette Sykes as KDCOM party leader,well that’s just great ,the stool has doubled in size.

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  22. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Mr Miller, I don’t blame John Key for everything but he is a bigger socialist than Helen Clark, and I criticised her so I shall criticise Key. Otherwise, I’d be a hypocrite, wouldn’t I?

    Spending is greater than it was under Helen, so is debt, so is the public service and taxation is just as high. I used to support National because I thought they were small govt Conservatives. I was wrong. Under John Key, they are big govt Progressives, virtually the same as Labour, so I don’t support them any more. Simple.

    As for my claims about Key being a “conspiracy”. FFS get a life. That kind of ignorance is rife in NZ because the media is UTTERLY HOPELESS. NZers get nothing of what they should on what happens in the US, and what you do get is filtered through the screen of NZ’s hopelessy left wing Prog Democrat media.

    Its no secret Hollywood blames file sharing on profit drop.

    Its no secret Hollywood loves Obama. The Economic Times describes the relationship thus: “The MPAA is to the Democrats what the NRA is to the Republicans.” One celebrity packed dinner organised by George Clooney raised $15 million for Obama’s re-election campaign last year.

    Its no secret they wanted him to do something about file sharing in return for that support, and the Obama Administration is already littered with ex-Recording Industry Association of America lawyers. The stinking communist ex Democrat Senator Chris Dodd is now CEO of the Motion Picture Association of America. The MPAA estimates that online piracy costs the US film industry around $20.5 billion per year. (BS of course)

    Dodd is on record as saying the following during a FOX News interview-

    “Those who count on quote ‘Hollywood’ for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who’s going to stand up for them when their job is at stake. Don’t ask me to write a cheque for you when you think your job is at risk, and then don’t pay any attention to me when my job is at stake.”

    President Obama hosted Chris Dodd for a two-and-a-half hour private lunch meeting in the Oval Office on December 9, 2011, six weeks before the raid.

    Here’s an article on the very subject in the far left Daily Kos- http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/19/1056356/-Hollywood-bought-its-politicians-and-it-expects-them-to-stay-bought

    Now, knowing all this, if Key didn’t change the focus of the NZ GCSB because Obama asked him too, then why did he change it? You’re welcome to answer that in your response. I know you won’t though. Like so many blind National Party supporters, you never ever want to talk about political truth.

    Conspiracy??

    FFS get a damn life. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

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  23. SPC (5,775 comments) says:

    No more than National providing a seat for the Conservatives.

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  24. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    I got to know Kelvin Davis a bit during my time…I found him to be a thoroughly straight bloke in all respects…So much so that I am a little surprised he has stayed on their list having been treated outrageously last time….I don’t know quite what he will make of instructions from the Politburo, but I would be very surprised if he had any part in some tawdry jack up…

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  25. Nookin (3,466 comments) says:

    “Now, knowing all this, if Key didn’t change the focus of the NZ GCSB because Obama asked him too, then why did he change it? ”

    He didn’t change the focus. The focus remained exactly the same as it had been previously. Clark admitted the fact. They simply found out that the legislation did not mean what Clark had hoped and intended it to mean and what Key believed it to mean based on years of implementation and practice during the labour government.

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  26. tvb (4,512 comments) says:

    If we are seen to be complicit in allowing KDC to break the copyright of Hollywood studios to the tune of perhaps hundreds of millions then this country will be excluded from their products and much else. What do you want the latest Hollywood blockbuster or KDC’s “file sharing service”.

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  27. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Well Nookin, that comment is contradictory at the least, but even if we assume it to be true, it still undermines Ross Miller’s claim that it is some kind of conspiracy. (note he hasn’t come back, as usual) Whatever, the focus was still moved from external security to internal law breaking.

    That was why the military guy Matapere was replaced by Ian Fletcher, whose commercial/ legal background was much more helpful to prosecuting Kim Dotcom.

    However all that aside, I’m still utterly gobsmacked to learn that there are uninformed morons out there who call this a “conspiracy theory” and don’t believe that the crackdown on Megaupload was not a result of Hollywood pressuring Obama. Its knowledge that is completely out there in the public domain. They’d have to be living in a cave not to know it.

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  28. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    “What do you want the latest Hollywood blockbuster or KDC’s “file sharing service”.”

    FFS, I couldn’t give a damn if Hollywood was vapourised tomorrow. They’re mostly progressive scum who have one hell of a score to settle for the propaganda they have spread and the damage they have done to our culture. They are the enemy within.

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  29. mikenmild (11,742 comments) says:

    What’s your favourite movie, Reddy?

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  30. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    I know what your hero Helen Klark’s favourite movie is.

    The Motorcycle Diaries.

    Propaganda that glorifies a cold blooded mass murdering cowardly psychopathic communist POS.

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  31. mikenmild (11,742 comments) says:

    Got a source for that? I would have thought she’d prefer ‘The Manchurian Candidate’ or another political thriller.

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  32. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    “They are the enemy within.”

    Lol!…seriously man, do you check under your bed at night before they tuck you in?

    It seems that you (and only you) can see the enemy around every corner, clearly you need help.

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  33. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Here Milky

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Helen+Clark+Motorcycle+Diaries

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  34. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I can see how she got the UN job now Red! :)

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  35. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    The SheBeasts fav filum, oh my…

    Debbie Does Dallas?

    The Cunning Linguist?

    Where to start really. As for weddy, his fav film I suggest is that which he wipes off his glasses after he posts :)

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  36. mikenmild (11,742 comments) says:

    Good one Reddy. Now, your favourite movie is?

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  37. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    I saw marriage of convenience and I thought this thread was about Aunty Hulun and Doctor Davis.

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  38. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    The only question now is: will this political oddity, bred on the wrong side of the bed, have any appeal to the voters?

    I may not be down with the kids, but it strikes me that the kind of people who might conceivably party-vote either Mana or Internet are likely to be encouraged rather than put off by the fact that the pompous ass who writes Dominion Post editorials finds these parties ‘odd.’

    …how can you stand up for low paid workers, when you effectively merge with a party controlled by a guy who is accused of not even paying the minimum wage to his staff.

    1. They haven’t merged.
    2. If they had the same views on things, they wouldn’t be two different parties.
    3. This approach would carry more weight if you actually gave a rat’s ass about low-paid workers.

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  39. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    Impressive ability to carry a psychotic grudge for no comprehensible reason, dad4justice – what is it, 9 years now you’ve been going on about Clark and Davis’ marriage? Have you considered therapy?

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  40. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I’ve been hitched to the wife for 43 years Psycho.

    All that time neither of us have lived 20,000 km apart for no apparent reason.

    Dad has a good point and time doesn’t make it go away! :)

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  41. Viking2 (11,568 comments) says:

    Have radicals like Annette Sykes (who’s father was born in England so is less
    native to New Zealand than John Ansell) “so utterly based their identity on the
    [Maori] ideology that without this prop, their sense of self would collapse”?

    Unfortunately, Annette Sykes seems to disagree with me on both counts. I did some research about her prior to your television appearance and I actually heard her say that what New Zealand needs is a “commitment to decolonisation”.

    (To me, this has disturbing echoes of the Khmer Rouge catch-cry to “clear the ground.”)

    http://treatygate.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/teacher-lodges-bsa-complaint-about-native-affairs-bias/

    go read this.

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  42. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Well said Johnboy.

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  43. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    “Have you considered therapy?”

    Thank you for asking psycho melt. Should I keep tracking the good Doctor D? Peter had a wife and could not keep her ………

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  44. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Is there a legitimate reason for Joanna Forbes to identify as Maori?

    Anyone know?

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  45. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    All that time neither of us have lived 20,000 km apart for no apparent reason.

    Do the pair of you have jobs that might take you to different locations? I’ve been married 31 years and we’ve lived apart for work reasons three times – with neither of us having jobs in the Clark/Davis league. What marriage is like for a farmer isn’t necessarily what it’s like for other people.

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  46. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Got any children have you Psycho? :)

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  47. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    What ever made you think I’m a farmer anyway Psycho? :)

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  48. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    Please psycho stop trying to defend the indefensible. Everybody knows, so stop trying to put a band aid on a festering wound. The truth always wins in the end. Ask your Doctor!

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  49. OneTrack (3,228 comments) says:

    Psycho

    You missed number 4 and 5

    4. It’s ok whatever the left does
    5. Anything for the cause – get key, get key,…..

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  50. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    Two children – one time she had to look after them, one time I did, other time was before we had them.

    Re thinking you’re a farmer, apologies for leaping to conclusions – it seemed the most likely occupation to have sheep available…

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  51. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    …stop trying to put a band aid on a festering wound.

    That’s the thing – you’re not trying anything even as basic as putting a bandaid on your festering psychic wound.

    Look at it this way: it could be that Bronagh Key hates being a Stepford Wife, could be she’s entirely happy with it. But it would be gratuitously offensive for me to speculate about it, and if I was still offensively speculating about it 9 years later, nearly 6 years after Key quit politics, that would make me a pretty sick fuck and people would be entitled publicly to wonder exactly what psychiatric problems were causing the obsession. I’m now publicly wondering what psychiatric problems are causing your obsession.

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  52. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    You are talking rot melt. Hulun and Peter got married for political purposes. Their lifestyle choices since the ‘marriage’ has undermined the meaning of a traditional marriage. Maybe my “obsession” for the truth highlights a reality that many want swept under the carpet.

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  53. mikenmild (11,742 comments) says:

    Most normal peple would regard the nature of a marriage to be the business of the individuals involved, and no one else’s business.

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  54. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    “Most normal peple would regard the nature of a marriage to be the business of the individuals involved, and no one else’s business.”

    Well said mikenmild. At least the Clark “marriage” is still intact, that is not something that could be said of all those who have passed comments here tonight.

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  55. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    That’s a fuckin nasty thing to say about Bronagh Psycho.

    Shows that you are deeply disturbed about Dad’s analysis of Helen and Peters marriage. Why?

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  56. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Milkey’s an expert on “normal peple” :)

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  57. SPC (5,775 comments) says:

    The Internet Party policy is in relationship to

    1. UFB availability to the public
    2. Internet Policy being consumer not corporate friendly
    3. New Zealand not being subservient to the GCSB/Echelon relationship as per “spying on the public using the internet”

    All of which is standard leftist fare as applied to the internet.

    It’s no different to the Legalise Marijuana group allying to the Greens, the building of the Alliance coalition and the many reinventions of the United Party.

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  58. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    That’s a fuckin nasty thing to say about Bronagh Psycho.

    It’s funny how you can see that when it’s applied to your own side. Which was the entire point.

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