Even the candidates are on the payroll

May 7th, 2014 at 6:41 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

is offering to pay the salaries of his candidates in the run-up to the election. …

And in some Tweets posted this morning, the Megaupload founder revealed that his candidates will “earn the salary of an MP immediately”.

Every other political party runs on its volunteers. People get involved because they believe in the party. Those who are candidates stand (at considerable expense to them) because they believe in the party.

This will be a first. It seems every single person involved in the Internet Party is being paid to be involved. Candidates will be effectively personally paid by Kim Dotcom. That means they must of course do whatever he says.

This is not a genuine political party. It is a wholly owned company.

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44 Responses to “Even the candidates are on the payroll”

  1. contheneo (27 comments) says:

    Will these payments have to count towards the spending cap for an electorate, or party, campaign?

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  2. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Why would they.

    Everyone knows that for years political aspirants have collected incomes from many sources including companies thru to benefits. e.g. Key to Bradford.

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  3. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Well better to be open and honest and up front about it and not do it for ‘favours’. :-)

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  4. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    This is not a genuine political party. It is a wholly owned company.

    Didums.

    I really don’t think Key is too worried. His supporters are unlikely to be pulled from potential National voters. The situation is not so good for the idiotic Greens. How sad :)

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  5. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Does anyone know Dotcom’s position regarding the terrible problem of the climate not changing ?

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  6. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Well looks like Kiwis have bought Labour’s mud slinging on National…..The latest Roy Morgan predicts a Labour-Green government for sure. All the TV stations and Newspapers will be publishing this as top news…..

    Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows a large fall in support for National (42.5%, down 6%) now well behind a potential Labour/Greens alliance (45.5%, up 5.5%).

    Support for Key’s Coalition partners is little changed with the Maori Party 1% (unchanged), ACT NZ (0.5%, unchanged) and United Future 0.5% (up 0.5%).

    Support has improved considerably for the Opposition with the Labour Party up 2.5% to 31%, the Greens up 3% to 14.5%, New Zealand First 6% (up 0.5%), Mana Party 1% (unchanged). Support for the Internet Party is now at a record high 1.5% (up 0.5%), seemingly at the expense of the Conservative Party of NZ 0.5% (down 1.5%).

    If a National Election were held now the latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows that the potential Labour/Greens alliance would be elected.

    The latest NZ Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating has fallen to 135.5pts (down 7.5pts) with 62% (down 3%) of New Zealanders saying New Zealand is ‘heading in the right direction’ compared to 26.5% (up 4.5%) that say New Zealand is ‘heading in the wrong direction’.

    Gary Morgan says:

    “Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows a large drop in support for National (42.5%, down 6%) after the scandals plaguing National claimed their first victim. Minister for Building & Construction, Customs and Statistics, Maurice Williamson, resigned his Ministerial posts last week after it was revealed Williamson contacted a top ranking police officer following the arrest of businessman Donghua Liu on domestic violence charges.

    “Although Williamson has denied it, the clear inference drawn is that Williamson was attempting to influence the police investigation of the matter to produce a favourable outcome for Liu. Williamson had allegedly told the police officer Liu was ‘investing a lot of money in New Zealand’. Parliament has this week extensively debated the furore surrounding Williamson’s decision to resign.

    “In addition to Williamson’s resignation, Justice Minister Judith Collins is taking ‘four or five days’ off work to rest and recuperate as questions continue to surround Collins regarding a dinner she attended with Oravida executives in Shanghai. Her husband, David Wong-Tung, is himself an Oravida director. Labour spokesperson for Internal Affairs, Trevor Mallrd, has used Parliamentary privilege to accuse Collins of making up to $500,000 by incorporating Oravida into her trip to China last year.”

    Electors were asked: “If a New Zealand Election were held today which party would receive your party vote?” This latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll on voting intention was conducted by telephone – both landline and mobile telephone, with a NZ wide cross-section of 847 electors from April 21 – May 4, 2014. Of all electors surveyed 6% (up 1%) didn’t name a party.

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  7. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    So the Mana-Internet coalition will be campaigning together towards their shared goal of saving Dotcom from extradition, and all the Internet candidates will be drawing a salary on Dotcom while all the Mana candidates will be working for free. That’s pretty rough, especially since most of the Mana candidates will be Maori. There used to be a system in the US where white people were paid but brown people worked for free, but that stopped 150 years ago.

    Normally you’d assume that NZ First have the weirdest flakiest candidates, with the Greens coming in a close second. This time around I predict the Dotcom Party will manage to stand a List of flaky nutbars that absolutely reeks of failure and social oddity. What are the chances that we’ll see Bradbury on the List at number 1, with Edgeler at number 2?

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  8. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Who would give up a real job with a real income to become a Dotcom sycophant? Sheesh; you’d wonder week from week whether the pay cheque would bounce.

    But I’m picking this is Dotcom’s way of crossing Hone’s palm with silver; it sounds as though the MegaMana merger is going to happen.

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  9. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Well looks like Kiwis have bought Labour’s mud slinging on National…..The latest Roy Morgan predicts a Labour-Green government for sure. All the TV stations and Newspapers will be publishing this as top news…..

    Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows a large fall in support for National (42.5%, down 6%) now well behind a potential Labour/Greens alliance (45.5%, up 5.5%).

    Alarming but keep your chin up. Public opinion is fickle and they will soon forget this. National has prevailed when attacked by the lefty media on other occasions. It is probably just a knee jerk protest vote. Also…Labour can not coalesce its own party, let alone join an even bigger bunch of ideological zealots in coalition.

    Kea hopes he is right about this one ! :(

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  10. srylands (410 comments) says:

    When nervous look to the bookmakers :-)

    http://centrebet.com/#Sports/7145959

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  11. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    ‘Alarming but keep your chin up. Public opinion is fickle and they will soon forget this.’

    Yes that’s true Kea but it’s going to be an uphill battle for National now.

    We can wank on all we like on this blog but the fact remains; TV3 last night and tonight have effectively told the wider NZ public (who still take their cues and form their opinions from national TV horse shit like that) that the Nats are corrupt mother f***ers and a lot of them will say to each other ‘There you go darl’, told ja’ and change their minds and that may well be the end of that. Not much time to change them back again; the opposition will hammer this until September the meme being one thing and one thing only. Right in there with the rich and the Asians who take all the jobs and the houses. Mob hysteria is hard to control once it’s taken root

    God knows what the Nats will do now. I love this blogsite (maybe a little too much) but at the end of the day we are only talking to each other. Wai Man doesn’t read it because it involves… reading. Radio and TV news is easier and it would seem TV3, TV1 and RNZ at the very least are all hell bent on destroying whatever government is in power, at whatever cost. As is their wont

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  12. Manolo (13,782 comments) says:

    We need to hear the “impartial” opinion of Mr Graeme Edgeler, expert in electoral law (and counsel of the Internet Party). LOL.

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  13. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    duggledog, I was trying to be optimistic. You are probably right.

    At least if Labour/Greens get in it will keep us off religion for a while as all sides support each other in collective mourning ;)

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  14. CharlieBrown (1,012 comments) says:

    What did Dot Com do you to you DPF? It appears you seem to have a real vendetta against him. You can understand Dot Com having a vendetta against some National party mp’s who personally gave permission for the raid on him and confiscation of his assets. You can understand him having a vendetta against mp’s who took donations from him then denied it.

    The guy appears to be a twat but the negativity you have for him seems to border on an obsession. The news isn’t anything substantial and is hardly worth commenting on. I can’t see anything wrong with paying people to promote a cause you believe in, its meant to be a free world (although National and Labours endorsement of the current electoral financing laws go against that).

    What Dot Com might have a chance of doing is uniting the protest vote from both the left and right. There are many center right people that hate the conservative socialism National bring to the table with John Key and the loonie politicallly correct socialism Labour want to bring. And there are many left wing people that just hate Cuntliff and Key and they see voting for dot com’s internet party as a way of flushing out of parliament the current crop of C U Next Tuesday’s that currently rule the roost.

    Unless ACT start marking more noise against some of the anti-liberty policies that national are endorsing like drug, smoking and alcohol laws, and if they don’t start hammering home the message that the current governments spending and taxation policies is moral theft then I will probably vote for a party most likely to bring down the government.

    [DPF: No MPs gave permission for the raid. Don't lie. Nothing against DotCom, but I don't think his political party is genuine. It has one purpose - to stop his extradition on criminal charges]

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  15. doggone7 (806 comments) says:

    I love it when those who think that money should run the world, that money is the most important thing, that there should be open slather and free markets and letting those rule, start getting precious when someone has the temerity to use that ethos in ways they don’t like!

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  16. Brett Hudson (4,740 comments) says:

    This is not a genuine political party. It is a wholly owned company.

    More accurately – it’s a wholly-owned subsidiary!

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  17. michael_s2 (3 comments) says:

    Why waste our time SCS. Roy Morgan poll is not being released till May 9.

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  18. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Well its no different from the Chinese owned National Party

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  19. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I sincerely hope that Key looks at why the vote has swung against him.

    IT would be a mistake to think that Labour et al have had this gain because they ‘won’ the argument. They have not.

    @ Sir Cullen’s Sidekick (571 comments) says:
    May 7th, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    Key has to pull his head in. He has to offer more than the other leaders, and acting like everyone else in the house, and yelling and screaming, and being smug and childish is not going to increase these stats.

    Many New Zealanders are sick of the infighting, the resignations, the back stabbing, the tit for tat screaming matches, and so on … if Key wants to win this, then he has to pull a ‘statesman’ out of the hat. The bigger guy, the leader, the person strong enough to turn the other cheek and offer strong governance, not spite and condemnation. He has to be strong enough to make his team apologise when required and most of all be humble.

    Those are the qualities New Zealander’s respect most of all. The person that offers that will beat all the others, because none of them have those qualities. Most of all, he has to stop acting like he did today – that will isolate the swingers, and those are who have changed their minds, and swung the polls in the other direction.

    He needs to consider why people have moved away from him – that they do not like uncertainty or dishonesty, including half truths. If Collins had been ‘man’ enough to apologise, humble enough to acknowledge she had misread how her acts would have looked, those swingers would still be with national.

    As I said earlier – we need a leader with qualities, we have enough prats.

    If National continues to act like everyone else, the electorate will go with change – as a booby prize because what they really want is not on offer.

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  20. wiseowl (895 comments) says:

    Kea.

    You will feel the Climate Change when notcom stands between you and the sun.

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  21. RossM (45 comments) says:

    It would be interesting do see what the contract for an Internet MP looks like. I wonder what the penalty would be for jumping ship?

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  22. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Part of me hopes that a labour/green/mana/internet government comes to the punters of NZ. We get the gubbermint we deserve, right?

    Weve weathered the GFC, in some part to some practical national strategies. Good for them. Appears the electorate might be feeling flush enough to wave that away. Watch tax rates soar; a huge bro-racracy set up to administer electricity; kiwi saver stupidity to try and force interest rates.

    NZ, by all means go for it, but be very careful what you wish for. Norman and Turei revolving deputy. Cun.liffe as PM.

    I reckon 2 years tops.

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  23. luckman9 (1 comment) says:

    Interesting how they promote it on Facebook as “Need a new job?”. It says a lot about the quality of candidates they are looking for.

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  24. Souvlaki (45 comments) says:

    “Part of me hopes that a labour/green/mana/internet government comes to the punters of NZ. We get the gubbermint we deserve, right? ”

    I’m with this ! If the populace is just too dumb to see the wood for the trees…well ..good luck to them.

    A bit like “discharging yourself against medical advice” ….the patient is the loser…not the Doctor !

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  25. peterwn (3,273 comments) says:

    It remains to be seen whether the Internet Party aspirants *actually* receive any pay. Wayne Tempero etc had problems with this.

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  26. beautox (422 comments) says:

    Dotcom saying that he will pay someone’s salary and Dotcom actually paying someone’s salary are two utterly different things.

    He does after all have a long record of saying that he will pay for this and that – Dotcom Americas Cup? Dotcom New Fiber Link.

    The thing to realize is that Dotcom is a fucking liar.

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  27. CharlieBrown (1,012 comments) says:

    John Key’s National party has crowded labour out of its natural space – that is why we have this odd assortment of a left coalition waiting to gain power. And Unless the nats dump John Key and get a leader that can fix some of the damage that Aunty Helen done we are eventually going to get this nightmarish left coalition. And it is inevitable that they will get in, and I would rather they get in now when it would be an incredibly unpopular government than in 3 years time when the sheeple feel like they need a change. They will self destruct if they go into government now, I’m not sure that will happen in 3 years time though.

    A vote for dot com now would be a vote to not go through a far longer and worse situation in 3 years time.

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  28. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    How dare someone who isn’t wealthy and Chinese own a NZ political party!!!

    The gall of that man.

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  29. itstricky (1,832 comments) says:

    How dare someone who isn’t wealthy and Chinese own a NZ political party!!!

    2014/09/01 – NEWSFLASH – Ex-minister Banks has again found himself in political hot water after it was revealed that he personally called Barrack Obama and hinted that the Leader of the Free World should “carefully consider” the extradition charges against Mr Dotcom as Mr Dotcom was a (hint) wealthy and (double hint) important figure. In a prepared statement President Obama was quoted as saying “well I’ve heard of buying votes but I didn’t know in little ole’ N of Z you could buy justice!”

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  30. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    New Zealand – you can buy as many friends as you want here.

    Doesn’t it make you proud?

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  31. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “How dare someone who isn’t wealthy and Chinese own a NZ political party!!!”

    I know! Those unions eh?
    Next thing you know we’ll be finding out that apart from owning a political party they also don’t pay all their taxes or file proper returns. Lucky it ain’t National that’s in their pocket or the msm would be wetting their panties over it.

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  32. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    michael_s2 (1 comment) says:
    May 7th, 2014 at 7:47 pm
    Why waste our time SCS. Roy Morgan poll is not being released till May 9.

    Are you on legal high or something? Check this out…

    http://www.roymorgan.com.au/findings/5576-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-may-7-2014-201405070619

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  33. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    I know! Those unions eh?

    When was the last time a Labour politician tried to call off the cops on a union guy who’d bashed his wife?

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  34. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “When was the last time a Labour politician tried to call off the cops on a union guy who’d bashed his wife?”

    Today probably.

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  35. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson asks

    When was the last time a Labour politician tried to call off the cops on a union guy who’d bashed his wife?

    Did Labour Party member and union activist “Megaphone Len” Richards ever get prosecuted for assault for bashing people protesting outside the Labour Party conference in 2007?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2008/06/len-richards-where-is-he-now.html

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  36. Drone (19 comments) says:

    My heart bleeds, currently we, The Public fund the current members of parliament to electioneer. They fly around the country, travel in taxis, collect their salaries at our expense and electioneer, trying to keep their jobs. Like him or hate him at least Dot Com is honest about the corrupt election process in this country, and his dislike of the corrupt politicians who seek to maintain the status quo. One man mountain against the corrupt politicians, lazy MSM, and septic right wing bloggers.

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  37. itstricky (1,832 comments) says:

    Did Labrty member and union activist “Megaphone Len” Richards ever get prosecuted for assault for bashing people protesting outside the Labour Party conference in 2007?

    Are you suggesting he bought justice? Is the evidence as clear as Williamson?

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  38. Tom Barker (143 comments) says:

    http://www.roymorgan.com.au/findings/5576-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-may-7-2014-201405070619

    Mr Key is a relaxed sort of guy. I’m sure he feels relaxed about this poll result.

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  39. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    If I join KimCrim’s Party will I get paid in advance ?

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  40. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    @ itstricky – it was a clear and obvious assault, occurring in full view of police officers, yet Richards seems to have escaped prosecution. He certainly wasn’t arrested.

    Draw your own conclusions…

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  41. burt (8,272 comments) says:

    Excellent, The Internet party can spend millions more than the “limit” then get into office and use parliament to validate their actions. Labour supporters will recognise that trick as the same one their own leaders have used before and declare Dotcom the best PM ever. Move on !

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  42. Steve Wrathall (284 comments) says:

    Kim’s being tricky. There won’t be any “Internet Party” candidates. They (plus Hone and his band of rigormortized Marxists), will all have to run under the banner of the Internet/Mana Bananarama

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  43. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    Yes, rather like the Conservative Party in that respect? The same surely applies to Colin Craig, if not more so.

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  44. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Will Dotcom be able to pay these leeches, or will they get told to eff off like the creditors around Auckland he has defaulted on?

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