Garner on Peters

May 26th, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

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Poor Winston, what’s going on? It looks like you’re really struggling to land any decent hits in Parliament these days. It all looks a bit limp and sad.

You’ve been there since 1978, save for three years in the wilderness before this term. If you ever had the answers then you’ve had ample time to share them.

Instead, what did we see this week? You abusing your privilege of free speech by spewing vicious bile at an MP who is in Parliament only because you wanted him there. Brendan Horan is hardly the first NZ First MP selected for loyalty rather than ability.

Calling Horan the “Jimmy Savile of New Zealand politics” was evil and cowardly – and you know it. If anyone makes any sort of claim against you, you’re quick to threaten legal action and demand retractions and apologies. But when you’re the one dishing it out those rules don’t apply: you can waltz into Parliament and get all the protection you need.

It is the double standard. Winston threatens Radio NZ with defamation for merely reporting an allegation that he has hired a certain campaign manager, and then a couple of days later he cowers behind parliamentary privilege to effectively slander his former colleague as a paedophile.

I can’t help but point out the irony of it all to you. I remember covering a speech you made in Kawerau in 2008 and you had Horan along as your little sycophantic sidekick.

Horan was in awe of you, banging on to the journos about how you were an honest and loyal man who only wanted what was right for New Zealand. He told us you never took money from Owen Glenn and everyone was wrong to be questioning your integrity and honesty. Horan was really fired up that afternoon.

Brendan was a true believer.

David Cunliffe has flung the door open to you by shunning the Greens’ offer to campaign as a Labour-Greens government.

That suits you – we know you don’t like the Greens. It’s why you couldn’t go with Labour in 1996 – you didn’t want to share power with the Alliance in a three-party coalition.

This is why I think Peters will go with Labour. He’ll block the Greens from ministerial roles and claim he saved the Government from the Greens.

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38 Responses to “Garner on Peters”

  1. tvb (4,519 comments) says:

    But the Greens badly want to be Ministers. They will demand them from Labour. I reckon faced with not being ministers in a minority Labour NZF Government they will abstain on confidence and supply and allow a minority national government to continue in office.

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  2. Chris2 (770 comments) says:

    Based on previous election results, if NZ First did not reach 5%, which parties would most likely benefit from more seats in the House?

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  3. lolitasbrother (751 comments) says:

    its not going to happen brothers this will be a landslide NZ Nat Government 2014 and 2017

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  4. tom hunter (5,102 comments) says:

    Mr Garner is not saying anything about Winston that 95% of the voters don’t already know. As far back as the early 90’s there was a book that had him nailed – Winston First.

    None of these criticisms make any difference. Winston has not depended on the 95% for a very long time now. He depends on just 5% – that small group that can have their anti-Asian, economic populist, Muldoonist buttons reliably pushed every time he speaks, and that’s enough to return him to parliament and even give him a shot at power – or at least at baubles.

    They don’t care – and neither does he. Only old age will stop him, as it appears to finally be doing.

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  5. David Garrett (7,565 comments) says:

    Chris2: Many people make this mistake, that somehow the wasted votes are “redistributed” among the others….this is quite wrong. Put simply, if 4.9% of the votes cast are for NZF (and they do not get an electorate seat) those votes are simply disregarded. No-one gets them; no-one benefits from them.

    Ton Hunter: Spot on….I regard Peters as The Great Charlatan of NZ politics…ironically for a man who supposedly shuns “the baubles of office”, he will do and say almost anything to get them…

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  6. goldnkiwi (1,552 comments) says:

    Perhaps the question relates to overhang or some other bizarre MMP manifestation as opposed to redistribution as a benefit.

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  7. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    This is why I think Peters will go with Labour

    A friend of mine, in her 20s, strongly dislikes Labour and likes John Key but says she will be voting for Winston solely because he will “stop immigrants who are preventing me buying a house”.

    When I point out that (a) cutting immigration wouldn’t have much effect on house prices, and (b) a vote for Winston is almost certainly a vote for Labour and possibly the Greens too, she doesn’t believe me.

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  8. dime (10,137 comments) says:

    ” friend of mine, in her 20s, strongly dislikes Labour and likes John Key but says she will be voting for Winston solely because he will “stop immigrants who are preventing me buying a house”.”

    maybe its her lack of brains that is stopping her

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  9. David Garrett (7,565 comments) says:

    Queen Street: In all fairness no-one really knows till after the election what a “vote for Winston” is…If the craven prick can get some baubles for his last term supporting the Nats (if they are forced to seek his support) then that is what he will do…If Labour (I almost wrote “the Greens”) are forced to seek his backing, he’ll go with them….I cannot conceive of the man forgoing what must be his last chance at the trough if he is offered it…

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  10. wreck1080 (3,972 comments) says:

    @dime: she is partly right (if talking about house prices).

    Anyone who thinks immigrants are not contributing to increasing prices are simply not looking at facts. The fact is, when you walk around Auckland it is looking more like a suburb of Beijing. Surely all these people are not tourists?

    And, these are just the visible immigrants — there are a lot of poms/safas/european immigrants about the place too.

    I don’t think Govt actually realises the extent of the housing issue. Some houses are going up by $1000 or more a day based on stories in the newspaper.

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  11. georgebolwing (1,011 comments) says:

    I agree that rational analysis will not influence people likely to vote for NZ First.

    But every rock star/movie star/sporting hero eventually runs out of magic and even their most hard-core fans start to get embarrassed at the increasingly obvious decline.

    Winston seems to have reached that point. Brendon Horan is obviously someone who can out-Peters Peters: use Parliamentary privilege to chip away and make vague hints of wrong-doing that have just enough credibility to require people to think something must be wrong. The bullying allegations are classic Peters.

    While probably wishful thinking, I suspect that peters and his party will not survive the coming election.

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  12. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Peters started to lose the plot when Clark gave him the push. He really flipped when Bob arsed him out of his seat, and since the young fella really gave him the heav ho, he has been unbearable. Time to take the hint Winnie, you are like one of your old racehorses, due for pasture.

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  13. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Brendon Horan is obviously someone who can …

    When the right start to defend a person like Brendon Horan, and make out he’s a shining example of humanity, you know for sure that sitting on the opposite side of the fence is the right place to be.

    Can you lot read what you are typing? How long ago were you all on here saying what a low down piece of crap Horan was? Now when it suits your political agenda, suddenly he’s god’s gift. Hypocritical much? Fair enough not supporting Winston, but I think you’re overdoing your hero worship a bit.

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  14. David Garrett (7,565 comments) says:

    igm: Well said…remember back when he was asked about his political ambitions he used to switch on the Donny Osmond smile and say he was ” Just happy to be the Member for Tauranga”…It must have been a helluva blow to him when Clarkson beat him…

    I recall being on the podium with him and other candidates during the 2008 campaign…it was blatantly obvious from the crowd’s reaction to his dissembling about the Glenn donation that he was gone-burger…and of course he was…by about 12,000 from memory…

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  15. goldnkiwi (1,552 comments) says:

    Was Horan convicted of a crime or something? Such approbation (not). Any one would think he had committed murder. I thought it was found that there was no case to answer.

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  16. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    @wreck1080: Anyone who thinks immigrants are not contributing to increasing prices are simply not looking at facts.

    Of course immigration “contributes” to house prices. So does the weather. But the facts are that immigration has only a very minimal effect (eg look at the recent BNZ/REINZ reports). Even a total ban would only account for a few months worth of price rises.

    The issue is a SUPPLY problem, not a demand problem. More precisely, it is a supply problem only in certain parts of the country.

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  17. tvb (4,519 comments) says:

    David the 4.9% are disregarded but then the proportionality is worked on the reduced quota so the 10 or so seats get redistributed amongst the other parties national getting roughly half.

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  18. Unity (611 comments) says:

    There’s definitely something wrong with Winston though. He looks as though he is losing thie plot. He’s getting older but surely senility isn’t setting in yet?! I can’t think of any of his current people who could take over as Leader.

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  19. David Garrett (7,565 comments) says:

    goldnkiwi: IIRC the trustees of his mother’s estate abandoned the claim against Horan…whether they decided it was too hard to prove or something else happened behind the scenes, I don’t know…It was publicly announced that the estate was to be distributed, with Horan getting the share mandated by the Will…$40k if I remember correctly….There were certainly never any charges upheld against Horan, nor any civil finding against him..

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  20. NK (1,259 comments) says:

    I will gladly give time and maybe money for Colin Craig to target Winston’s base. Even though I give the Cons a hard time, I would gladly have Colin Craig and a few from the top of his list there than anyone in NZ First’s top 250.

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  21. slightlyrighty (2,476 comments) says:

    Mr Garrett.

    While you may be correct that if Winston First only gets 4.9% of the vote and no electorate seat, their votes are not redistributed, it is not strictly correct to say that no other party would get a benefit.

    If NZF got 4.9% and no seat, and National got 48.5% of the vote, then they would be getting 50.4% of the eligible vote. Assuming there is no overhang, National would govern alone. Any overhang is likely to come from United Future, Act, Maori or Mana/KDC,

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  22. tom hunter (5,102 comments) says:

    Brendon Horan is obviously someone who can …

    You missed the rest of the line, …out-Peters Peters:.

    That missing piece is rather key to what is being said about Horan on this thread. Given the low, low, low opinion of Peters on this blog it cannot count as an accolade, or as “the right” defending Horan, let alone thinking he’s god’s gift. It is simply an observation that Horan is as low as Peters.

    But then I think you knew that when you made the half-quote.

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  23. Chuck Bird (4,929 comments) says:

    “Many people make this mistake, that somehow the wasted votes are “redistributed” among the others….this is quite wrong. Put simply, if 4.9% of the votes cast are for NZF (and they do not get an electorate seat) those votes are simply disregarded. No-one gets them; no-one benefits from them.”

    David, whether the votes are redistributed or thrown in the bin the result is exactly the same.

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  24. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    DG/Slightlyrighty

    in 2011 Nats got 59/121 seats (48.8% of seats) with 47.3% of the vote.

    and that is with NZF sneaking home , with 4.9% NZF lost as well Nats could get 62 seats with the same level of support.

    So while its true votes are not redistributed they do benefit someone when you flush your vote down the loo.

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  25. David Garrett (7,565 comments) says:

    slightly: Yes, I think you might be right (I have never been much good with numbers)…I just know the Electoral Act specifically says that any bloc of votes under 5% for any party which does not win an electorate seat are disregarded…But I think I follow what you are saying…

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  26. unaha-closp (1,180 comments) says:

    The issue is a SUPPLY problem, not a demand problem. More precisely, it is a supply problem only in certain parts of the country.

    Len Brown – as effective as an earthquake.

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  27. Liberty (272 comments) says:

    Queen street farmer.
    Doesn’t your little friend realise. There is more chance of buying a house
    If the Country is economically stable. The only reason NZ has a rock star
    economy is because China is our number one importer. By supporting
    The coalition of loses . With their xenophobic policy on Asians is not going
    To send the right signals to Beijing .

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  28. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Notice Cunliffe using “Wogistan” in relation to boat people. He was doing that in support og “progressives othe internationalist tradition”.
    Compare WP to Nigel Farange who msnages to run the gaunlet of the “p o t i t”. WP and his team don’t seem up to it.
    They are devoid of engaging debate.

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  29. burt (8,324 comments) says:

    People come now, you all seem to have forgotten that Winston is the only one who keeps parliament honest.

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  30. Monique Angel (295 comments) says:

    Winston is an ego driven crook, burt. What good has he ever bought about for NZ?

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  31. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    @Liberty, that is true, although there is unquestionably a supply problem for housing. Solution is simple: free up more land, remove silly planning rules, remove RMA constraints, reduce compliance costs, encourage development, and watch the problem disappear.

    However, it is easier for some people to believe (and Winston to campaign) that it’s all because of the Chinese.

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  32. David Garrett (7,565 comments) says:

    Burt: The Great Charlatan keeps parliament honest in the same way Eichmann made sure the gas chambers ran humanely…(Sorry about the Godwin, but it seemed apt…)…

    I truly believe that we are very fortunate that we are not a particularly passionate people…If we were, Peters could easily have got real power, and I believe he would have used that power to institute extra-legal deportations – at the very least – of those ethnic groups he didn’t like…Fortunately most of us are all far too sensible to give him that kind of power…

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  33. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Unity: There is a sickness diagnosed “Brewer’s Asthma”, have you considered that may be the problem!

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  34. georgebolwing (1,011 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter at 12:29 pm.

    Exactly!

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  35. burt (8,324 comments) says:

    Monique/David

    I was taking the piss – It’s easy to know what Winston is up to – see what he accuses others off. Winston has however regularly claimed he’s squeaky clean and only others are …. using secret trusts … selling policy for cash… failing to declare things he should …

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  36. David Garrett (7,565 comments) says:

    Burt: Yes, I did realise you were taking the piss…but I am not doing so when I say that as a people we had a lucky escape from the prick…and as others have noted, thankfully – because he was so paranoid – there is no-one to succeed him when he finally falls off the perch…literally or politically…

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  37. burt (8,324 comments) says:

    So when is somebody in the MSM going to ask Winston ( the x minister of racing) how in 2006 the racing industry got a tax cut, he didn’t declare a donation (until after he was forced to by the privileges committee) from the Vela brothers and he’s never disclosed his interests in race horses ?

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  38. Shazzadude (531 comments) says:

    Winston’s pissing in this year, he always does coming off a term in opposition (NZF are 5/5 in exceeding 5% of the total vote in that scenario), so what would happen to his wasted vote is academic.

    I think it’s a tossup as to who it benefits most however. If Labour/Greens combined matched or bettered National’s vote, they would benefit more, especially if the Mana and Maori Parties combined had a number of seats between them.

    National would benefit more if they managed to get a result similar to the 2011 result.

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