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stephieboy

kea, there you go ranting and raving as per usual.I never suggested its a particularly Muslim thing but its more likely to occur in societies where women’s rights are marginal as is the case under many Islamic societies but to be fair also e.g under Hinduism , and in Cambodia as I pointed out. But its important to point out that India in terms of Women’s is far better than say Pakistan or Saudi Arabia )

But this still cries out for an answer”,And your bogus,” warning contents may disturb.” or words to similar effect.!
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May 17, 2014 6:56pm
griffith

“Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply an admission of the obvious. In fact, ‘atheism’ is a term that should not even exist. No one needs to identify himself as a ‘non-astrologer’ or a ‘non-alchemist.’ We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.”
― Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation
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May 17, 2014 6:58pm
Kea

People are not like animals. They are animals. They are not the cumulation of anything.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2013/04/not-as-evolved-as-we-think/
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May 17, 2014 7:06pm
Lucia Maria

I’ve been bothered by Muslims before.

One asshole wanted to know how much it would cost for me to come home with him when I was waiting at a train station.

Another time, I was working on a contract at a government office in Sydney, and two scrawny looking guys approached the desk and demanded to speak to me, and then tried on the charm. Totally clueless when it comes to women, and creepy too.
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May 17, 2014 7:08pm
Kea

One asshole wanted to know how much it would cost for me to come home with him when I was waiting at a train station.

Lucy, Was this in Palmerston North ? Or were you trotting around Muslim lands dressed in a provocative manner you little flirt ?

And its not just muzzies who might want to take you home 😉
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May 17, 2014 7:14pm
cha

So much hope….

Operation American Spring falls flat: ‘This is very disappointing,’ Texan says

Operation American Spring, billed as a Friday morning multi-million patriot march on Washington, D.C., to oust leadership from the nation’s capital — from President Obama to House Speaker John Boeher — has proven woefully below expectations.

“It’s a very dismal turnout,” said Jackie Milton, 61, a Jacksboro, Texas, resident and the head of Texans for Operation American Spring, to The Washington Times. He said hopes were high when he arrived in Alexandria, Va., a day or so ago and found motels and hotels were sold out for 30 miles around.

But weather’s dampened turnout a bit, he said.

“We were getting over two inches of rain in hour in parts of Virginia this morning,” Mr. Milton said. “Now it’s a nice sunny day. But this is a very poor turnout. It ain’t no millions. And it ain’t looking like there’s going to be millions. Hundreds is more like it.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/16/operation-american-spring-falls-flat-very-disappoi/
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May 17, 2014 7:16pm
griffith

“Dogs do not have many advantages over people, but one of them is extremely important: euthanasia is not forbidden by law in their case; animals have the right to a merciful death.”
― Milan Kundera, The Unbearable Lightness of Being
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May 17, 2014 7:22pm
Lucia Maria

Not Palmerston North, Kea.

In Sydney as well. I was doing a train tour of the suburbs during the weekend, just to pass the time. I wasn’t even dressed that provocatively as it was winter and I was all jacketed up. It was the afternoon as well. I’ve had far less trouble waking through Kings Cross!
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May 17, 2014 7:35pm
Kea

Lucy, I asked for an example of Muslims bothering people. You gave an example of a man trying to chat you up. This shows how distorted your thinking is. Men chat up women all over the world, yet you regard it as sinister when Muslim men do it.

And yes, I know some of their efforts are clumsy and some of the Muslim guys in Aussie are a bloody disgrace. They have no form at all.
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May 17, 2014 7:39pm
Don the Kiwi

Kea (11,768 comments) says:
May 17th, 2014 at 6:48 pm
Don the Kiwi , you and your milk- sop wishy washy distortions of GODS word are the result of false prophets dancing to the tune of the FAG agenda. New Zealand is a filthy nation run by fags.

Read it and weep you hell bound sinner !

http://www.godhatestheworld.com/newzealand/index.html

For heavens sake Kea.

Don’t brand me with those people. They are the sort that give you and many other like you a false image of Christianity. What is portrayed on this link is a very sorry image of Christianity – I may get all sorts of negatives by this, but it is not what the Catholic Church teaches. Some of the basics MAY be correct, but eliminate the accusatory fatalism acusations.

I sincerely hope I don’t come across like that.
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May 17, 2014 7:52pm
Kea

Don the Kiwi, I was only pulling your leg. 😉

But I will say that crazy Fred did not shy away from the clear words of the bible. Society has changed, but the bible has not. His view would have been mainstream not so long ago.

Thank God not many Christians agree. You seem very reasonable and I actually judge christians based on folk like you, not crazy Fred, stupidboy, or sexy Lucy.
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May 17, 2014 7:56pm
Don the Kiwi

Give Lucia a break , Kea.

I’ve no doubt that Lucia is an attractive – even alluring – woman who can handle herself very well in many circumstances.
That is no excuse for men to presume that they can hit on her in public, and muslim men in particular have the reputation for thinking they can rush off any woman to satisfy their sensual desires.

It is fairly common in strict muslim countries to have the offending member – like a hand for theft – lopped off. These arseholes should have their dicks lopped off and then castrated.
Hows that for tolerance? 🙂
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May 17, 2014 8:02pm
nasska

Kea

There’s no doubt that Muslim men hit on Western women & in this they are probably not different to any other bearer of X & Y chromosomes. It is the way they do it that causes offence & this can be sheeted home to their upbringing. From the word go they are in an home environment where woman are treated as second class chattels who’s modesty & virtue is more important than their right to live as humans.

Our correspondent “Dime” has worked with male Muslims in Aussie & I recall him describing them as misogynists & spoiled brats who expected their mothers & sisters to wait on them hand & foot. Because they’ve never had the backhanders they so richly deserve they consider all non muslim women as harlots begging for their attention.

The fault is not ours…..it’s as usual their stinking culture & religious crap.
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May 17, 2014 8:02pm
Don the Kiwi

Actually Kea,

I gave you an up-tick on both your previous comments 🙂
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May 17, 2014 8:03pm
nasska

Quasimodo went to his doctor.
‘ How can I help you,’ asked the doctor.
‘ I just don’t feel right,’ replied Quasimodo
‘ OK,can you take off all your clothes and we’ll try to find out what’s wrong. ‘ said the doctor.
Quasimodo took off ten vests,eight shirts and fourteen jumpers.
‘ When was the last time you took off all your clothes? ‘ asked the doctor.
‘ When I was at school, ‘ replied Quasimodo.
‘ Did you never wonder what happened to your school bag,’ replied the doctor.
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May 17, 2014 8:09pm
Kea

Don, if people did as you say lovely Lucy would be a lonely spinister with a house full of cats.

nasska, yes I know. In fact I said it in my comment” “And yes, I know some of their efforts are clumsy and some of the Muslim guys in Aussie are a bloody disgrace. They have no form at all.”

Once again people. I am an atheist and the religious inspired behaviour of Muslims is shocking to me. One point I will raise though is that much of what you lot consider is due to religion is actually cultural. Women were treated like shit in Afghanistan long before Islam. Same deal in many other places. In places with a culture of treating women well, we do not see this sort of nonsense.
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May 17, 2014 8:12pm
nasska

It is largely cultural Kea but Islam has gutlessly rolled over & adapted to condone these customs.

We have rammed down our throats on regular basis the theory that Islam respects women yet what we see & what we hear tells a totally different story of Islam in practise.
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May 17, 2014 8:19pm
Don the Kiwi

“Don, if people did as you say lovely Lucy would be a lonely spinister with house full of cats.”

C’mon Kea.

You don’t believe that. I don’t know Lucia, but even as she presents herself on this blog, you know that she is a woman who is not afraid to express herself and state strongly what she believes.

The physical beauty or otherwise of a woman is not the only thing that attracts men – especially if they have any testosterone in them 🙂
Its how they think, their beliefs and how strongly they hold them, and once you’ve met them, irrespective of physical appearance – which is only skin deep – is how you may or may not respond.
Sure, physical beauty is the initial ‘testosterone’ response, but it certainly goes much deeper than that after the initial meeting.
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May 17, 2014 8:21pm
Kea

nasska, I agree. However, I have had a bit to do with Indonesia. It is the biggest Muslim country in the world. It is conveniently overlooked by many. Overwhelmingly they are very moderate and hold Western society in high regard. Sure there are nutters there and extremists form the ME attempt to corrupt poor ignorant rural folk. I know all that. But to hear the shit on here breaks your heart when you actually know good Muslim folk first hand. I know muzzies from other places and none are as described here daily.

Speak as YOU find is the best bet.
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May 17, 2014 8:25pm
Johnboy

If Lucy popped over to Wainui she would be treated well. We don’t tolerate any of that Muslim stuff here. Even our ewes go around unveiled and we dip them without requiring them to wear Burkhinis! 🙂
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May 17, 2014 8:26pm
hj

Demographics of kiribati

103,248 (July 2013 est.)
Age structure

0–14 years: 38.5%
15–64 years: 58.1% (male 30,216/female 31,004)
65 years and over: 3.4% (male 1,517/female 2,027) (2006 est.)

1.21% (2013 est.)

The population grew by 78% from 52,000 in 1973 to 93,000 in 2005,[1] an annual average growth rate of 1.8%.
http://hot-topic.co.nz/morgan-godfery-no-climate-refugees-please-were-new-zealanders
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May 17, 2014 8:31pm
nasska

It’s a totally different story in North Africa through to Bangladesh although Kea & that is where the immigrants with warped ideas about women hail from.

Political correctness in the MSM is the only reason people don’t know the situation for what it is.
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May 17, 2014 8:35pm
Johnboy

“Its how they think, their beliefs and how strongly they hold them, >>>>”

And having a good rack and a nice rounded arse helps too! 🙂
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May 17, 2014 8:40pm
Kea

nasska, Women are treated like shit in Africa, regardless of religion. Christian, and relatively prosperous, South Africa is the rape capital of the world.

Agree 100% re PC
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May 17, 2014 8:42pm
Kea

“hj (5,828 comments) says:

May 17th, 2014 at 8:31 pm
Demographics of kiribati

”

Is that the Kiribati that statelite mapping confirms is GROWING hj ? 😆
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May 17, 2014 8:49pm
nasska

Kea

Coming back to the religious/cultural reasons behind Islam’s systemic abuse of women Kea, culture may be a secondary factor:

“Quran: (Surah An-Nisaa’ [The Women] 4:34)
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband’s property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see illconduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.”

The practise is actually ordained & part of the faith.
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May 17, 2014 8:56pm
stephieboy

“Operation American Spring falls flat: ‘This is very disappointing,’ Texan says”

Excellent news. Our resident tea baggers will no doubt be devastated.
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May 17, 2014 8:57pm
cha

And having a good rack and a nice rounded arse helps too!

Close enough JB?.

https://www.facebook.com/StealthyFreedom/photos_stream
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May 17, 2014 9:01pm
Kea

nasska, stop being silly or I will have to bore everyone with equivalent bible quotes. Some pretty ugly stuff has been given biblical justification at various times.

The two police Glock pistols stolen from the New Plymouth courthouse were involved in the police shooting of Steven Wallace at Waitara 14 years ago, it has been confirmed.

Police were unaware the pistols were missing until one of them was found in the possession of a man arrested on methamphetamine charges last year.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10054772/Stolen-police-pistols-involved-in-Wallace-shooting
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May 17, 2014 9:01pm
stephieboy

If anyone thinks that rising sea levels are a figment of climate change fantasies need to visit a shrink,

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/05/140512-thwaites-glacier-melting-collapse-west-antarctica-ice-warming/
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May 17, 2014 9:07pm
Kea

If anyone thinks that rising sea levels are a figment of climate change fantasies need to visit a shrink,

stupidboy, who do you recommend ?

[Personally I would visit the evidence, or maybe the beach]
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May 17, 2014 9:10pm
nasska

Another baby photo. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mqimfr5dgq46w6t/Hatched%20Kea.jpg
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May 17, 2014 9:12pm
Kea

nasska, stop posting nude photos of my sister !
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May 17, 2014 9:21pm
stephieboy

kea, read the article and examples of phenomena like the destruction of various segments of the US Eastern seaboard for starters,

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/06/120625-sea-level-rise-east-coast-us-science-nature-climate-change/

Are the folk there imagining things .?
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May 17, 2014 9:23pm
Kea

stupidboy, but what does the bible say ? My friends of Jesus tell me it is load of rubbish.

Evangelicals Push Back Against Global Warming Doom

WASHINGTON – A group of evangelicals, comprised of scientists, economists and theologians, said the mainstream view of pending catastrophe caused by climate change is exaggerated. They made the claim at an event Thursday just days ahead of a key U.N.-sponsored climate change conference in Copenhagen.

The evangelical scholars argued that science, contrary to what many leading scientists claim, does not support the claim that increased CO2 in the atmosphere is having a negative effect on the earth.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-push-back-against-climate-change-hoax-42126/

Praise be Jeeeeeeeeesus 🙂

“Are the folk there imagining things .?

”

No they are lying for $$$
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May 17, 2014 9:27pm
stephieboy

Kea, when you go down to the Mosque first thing tomorrow am do keep that Sudanese lady in your prayers ,

http://blogs.christianpost.com/prayer-concerns/prayer-list-court-sentences-christian-convert-to-death-21404/
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May 17, 2014 9:35pm
Kea

stupidboy, I will also include the victims of the Catholic holocaust in Croatia, The hundreds of thousands killed by Christians in Rwanda, The tens of thousands raped by Christian blacks in SA, the millions who have suffered because of “missionaries” imposing their guilty culture on them, the Bosniak holocaust in the 90’s, the countless raped boys by your Clergy….
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May 17, 2014 9:39pm
stephieboy

kea, please do not also forget the role of the Bosnian SS Handschar Division in the Yugoslavian Holocaust WWII courtesy the Grand Mufti Of Jerusalem ,

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm

Plus,

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/handzar/handzar.htm
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May 17, 2014 9:48pm
Kea

The Holocaust’s untold heroes: Exhibit honors Albanian Muslims who saved Jews

Their story is rarely told, but Albanian Muslims took in fleeing Jews during World War II, saving thousands of lives.

When no other European country dared to withstand the wrath of Nazi Germany, it was the Muslims of Albania who saved a large number of Jewish people from extermination.

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Same deal in North Africa. Learn some history boy. The Croatian Jews sheltered with Muslims for sanctuary from the CATHOLICS.
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May 17, 2014 9:55pm
Kea

Albanian Righteous Muslims Who Saved Jews During Holocaust
by Richard Silverstein

It documents the Muslims of Albania and Kosovo who sheltered Jews during the Holocaust saving at least 2,000 lives. Not a single Jew died in all of Albania during the War.

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2008/10/25/albanian-righteous-muslims-who-saved-jews-during-holocaust/

[The Jews remember stupidboy even if you try to forget. They do not spit on Muslim clergy in Israel today ! ]
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May 17, 2014 9:58pm
stephieboy

As you can see all sorts of people of different creeds, faith and religions throughout Nazi occupied Europe sheltered Jews during the holocaust and not exclusively Muslim as seem to be suggesting,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Righteous_among_the_Nations_by_country

Spitting on the Muslim clergy is not condoned by either the Israeli govt nor its religious leaders.
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May 17, 2014 10:27pm
Kea

stupidboy, But they do spit. On the CHRISTIAN clergy. It is increasing and happening daily. I have seen no reports of Muslim clergy being attacked, or their places of worship.

“not condoned by either the Israeli govt nor its religious leaders.
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LOL 🙂 Why do you always say that when the jew does wrong but never with the muslim ? With defenders like you it is no wonder Jews have been persecuted. OH WAIT… they were persecuted by people like you.
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May 17, 2014 10:32pm
SPC

Only those without the means to retaliate turn the other cheek (and/or vent in the media/a book in the meantime).
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May 17, 2014 10:38pm
lilman

Kea ,lol,you shall sweat one day,lol and he who you are most frightened of wont even know you were there.

Allah Akbar and all that shit.
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May 17, 2014 10:39pm
Kea

I hope stupidboys god looks favourably on double standards, hypocricy, hate and lies. Personally I don’t fancy his chances of making it to paradise ! 👿
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May 17, 2014 10:42pm
stephieboy

kea ,your lost it old son.! Long ago in fact.!
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May 17, 2014 10:52pm
Kea

stupidboy, why dont you have the guts to admit openly, like ShawnLH has, that you do think Jews are special and due special consideration not available to the mud races and goyim ?
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