General Debate 18 May 2014

May 18th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Please be mindful of all your childrens while you are shopping

    – entrance notice, Pak ‘N’ Save Porirua

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  2. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    The mad conservatives sitting in their easy chairs, chugging a bottle of cheap gin & stroking their cats while pontificating on the evils of recreational drugs are about to become more deranged.

    In this morning’s TVNZ News Gareth Morgan has revealed that cats are the sole carrier of toxoplasmosis – an incurable disease caused by a parasite that lives only in cat faeces and has been linked to a raft of psychological disorders. They include schizophrenia, impaired memory, suicidal thoughts, risky behaviour, poor concentration, headaches, extreme fatigue and a higher risk of post-natal depression and self-harm in new mothers.

    Get Tiddles put down & take yourselves off for tests. :)

    Ref: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/cats-carry-mind-altering-disease-warns-gareth-morgan-5974473

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  3. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    I wonder what Gareth’s excuse for psychological disorders would be, hmmm nazareth of ickytahooner ?

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  4. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    I doubt that it will be cat based LR&C. :)

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  5. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    As the news about sea level rise gets worse, with bigger rises looking likely to happen sooner than expected, the prospects for the I-Kiribati and many tens of thousands more in the Pacific are becoming ever more gloomy. In that context, New Zealand’s responsibilities to its neighbours is clear. Godfery’s conclusion is compelling:

    The social history of the Pacific is one of migration, from the early Austronesian and Polynesian expansions to the recent European settler migration. How can we say no to refugees when we are all migrants ourselves?*

    Quite so.

    * appeal to tradition fallacy.
    Demographics of kiribati

    103,248 (July 2013 est.)
    Age structure

    0–14 years: 38.5% (NZ 20%)
    15–64 years: 58.1% (male 30,216/female 31,004)
    65 years and over: 3.4% (male 1,517/female 2,027) (2006 est.)

    1.21% (2013 est.)

    The population grew by 78% from 52,000 in 1973 to 93,000 in 2005,[1] an annual average growth rate of 1.8%.
    http://hot-topic.co.nz/morgan-godfery-no-climate-refugees-please-were-new-zealanders

    “It is anathema to myself – as it is to the Green Party – that any person should interest themselves in the right of any one to choose how many children they have,” said Mr Locke.

    https://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens%E2%80%99-population-policy-misinterpreted

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  6. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    L,R & C?- What the heck are you doing in Porirua Pak N Save??

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  7. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    That’s alright. Sign on a front door in Elizabeth, S. A.

    “No religious domination. Thank you.”

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  8. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Hes checking the bargain bin for gooey buns past their use by…….

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  9. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    More leftward than Labour is the NZ Green Party, in which as the third biggest entity in NZ politics, have encouraging policies and rhetoric of honouring indigenous self-determination and socio-economic equality. The thing with the Greens though, is that (a majority of) the Māori nation prefers Labour due to historical roots not to mention the affinity with the Rātana faith. The Greens don’t need to work the centre-left anymore, that populace is a given, it’s the Māori vote (especially the young eco-indigenous activists) that should be a prime focus for their election campaign come 2014. The global movement of ‘Idle No More’ has been ideologically supported by members of the Greens (if not the whole party), especially indigenous activist Marama Davidson. Pumping out overt support for indigenous mana whenua in Aotearoa New Zealand, like explicitly opposing the TPPA (Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Agreement) and other capitalist legislation that impedes on Māori connection with the land and sea, will be a great avenue in securing a young indigenous (eco-orientated) vote.  Though Labour has always had ‘the working person’s vote’ (or the underemployed), the Greens have shown just as much support for those lower down on the socio-economic scale. More overt concern for indigenous issues will further cement a growing tide of Green voters. Yet perhaps the Māori left is truly embodied in the Mana movement, a political faction that will be a possible coalition candidate for a Labour-Greens government.

    http://thepostcolonial.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/maori-need-to-vote-left-indigenous-politics-in-nz/

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  10. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Hanging out with my fuzzy cuzzies bro

    Yeah griff – that too. Fresh made were $2.50 though – I’d take that option. Icing on the next days was fully munted – would 100% stick to bag – forget it.

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  11. peterwn (3,277 comments) says:

    L,R & C & Longknives

    ‘childrens’ done deliberately perhaps. There is another sign – ‘No more than five trollies per customer’ – I cannot figure if it is a joke or if they mean it.

    Porirua Pak’n’Save is fairly convenient if you want to stock up at lower prices and you are travelling on SH1.

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  12. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    hj
    Quite right about Kiribati. It’s population growth and beach mining taking all the water. But you won’t find that info at Hot Topic which is typically a science free zone full of haters.
    The irony is the islands are growing…
    “Climate scientists have expressed surprise at findings that many low-lying Pacific islands are growing, not sinking.
    Islands in Tuvalu, Kiribati and the Federated States of Micronesia are among those which have grown, largely due to coral debris, land reclamation and sediment.
    The findings, published in the magazine New Scientist, were gathered by comparing changes to 27 Pacific islands over the last 20 to 60 years using historical aerial photos and satellite images.”
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-06-03/pacific-islands-growing-not-sinking/851738

    Latest satellite and tidal level gauges shows that sea level rise has actually slowed. It’s now about 2mm per year.

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  13. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Fudge it budgie, poli-parrot. David who?

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  14. Tauhei Notts (1,724 comments) says:

    A couple of days in Auckland and I have become perturbed about something I have noticed.
    We have imported so many people from so many countries to perform so many unskilled jobs.
    Like the Roumanian serving drinks, the Russian packing groceries, the Iraqi selling newspapers, the Hungarian selling coffee, the Indian selling beer, the Bangladeshi driving a cab, the Ukrainian serving tables and so on and so on.
    What this proliferation of unskilled people has done is put severe downwards pressure on the pay rates that similarly unskilled New Zealanders can demand.
    When I hear Labour Party fund raisers, also known as union officials, bleat endlessly about their concern for the New Zealand underclass, I become rather pissed off. Their acquiesence to our new immigration policy is nauseating.
    No! I am not against immigration. What I am against is immigration of unskilled people.
    And don’t feed me that crap about them having qualifications. I once employed an M.Com from south western India. He was relegated to making the tea and collecting the mail, before he got a job better suited to his skill level; plucking chickens at Waihekau Road.
    The usual response is the New Zealanders will not do that work. That is solely because that work is so poorly paid. Unskilled foreigners will readily accept those piss poor wage rates, usually because that is all they are worth.
    Spare a thought for a young New Zealander who is not too bright; she must compete for jobs with the Yellow Peril and a myriad of other foreigners. Her future is not inspiring.

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  15. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Peterwn
    Re the trolley limit , if you go early to a Pak n Save you will see all the local Dairy owners stocking up on the specials…

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  16. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Nine years of heartbreak and frustration is over. Arsenal breaks its major trophy drought with a 3-2 win in the FA Cup final at Wembley!

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/the-arsenal-drought-breaks.html

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  17. mandk (998 comments) says:

    @ Pete George,
    You argue that Cunliffe has two very big challenges – projecting himself and being likeable – but you forgot the greatest challenge of all: having credible policies, that stand up to scrutiny, on issues that matter to people. That’s why he is not connecting with voters.

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  18. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    All_on_Red – and late at night. I see my local dairy owners there after they close all the time. They need pallets – not trollies haha

    peterwn – yep – possibly deliberate. But could it be deliberate in a serious attempt at connecting with the local lingo rather than having a laugh ? On the buses I’d have feral moron kids ask for ‘two childs back to the ghetto’.

    Tauhei Notts – you’ve got it. In a training group to work at Mana Coach this Indian fob lady had ‘degrees’ coming out of her ears. Couldn’t understand her English, she couldn’t drive a car much less a bus, and why’s she wanting to drive a bus with all the ‘degrees’ ? She didn’t even know how a swipe card access works. What a dick. That’s who gets let in. Twats like that – give me a break. And like a lot of fob Indians – she was a puffed up easily offended blowhard.

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  19. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    All in red stained panties if you actually read links and think you wouldn’t be the target of my derision.

    “The reason for this is these islands are so low lying that in extreme events waves crash straight over the top of them,” he said.

    fucken hard to live in a wave zone idiot….as to only 2mm a year you have claimed the globe is not warming.
    If it aint warming why is sea level rising? to much dribble from retards?

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  20. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    ANTARCTIC sea ice has expanded to record levels for April, increasing by more than 110,000sq km a day last month to nine million square kilometres.

    The National Snow and Ice Data Centre said the rapid expansion had continued into May and the seasonal cover was now bigger than the record “by a significant margin’’.
    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png

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  21. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    “Please be mindful of all your childrens while you are shopping

    – entrance notice, Pak ‘N’ Save Porirua”

    Reason 47 why I no longer set foot in Pak ‘N’ Save supermarkets. From what I remember they were full of Labour voting low life, most of whom smelled like they had not had a shower in a week.

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  22. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Dr Deborah Russell is a lecturer in taxation at Massey University. She wrote in the Herald:

    Think of it like this. Imagine three people wanting to look over a fence to see a parade: a short person, a middling person and a tall person. If we find a box of exactly the same size for each of them to stand on, then the short person still can’t see over the fence, and the tall person has a great view. That’s “fair” because we made sure each of them had the same size box — but the short person is left staring at the fence.

    Then imagine if we gave two boxes to the short person, and the tall person just stood on the ground. Each person could see the parade because we made sure that we took their individual needs into account. That’s being fair, too.

    So which sort of fairness is best? Treating everyone exactly the same or treating people according to their needs? The right of politics prefers people to be treated the same. The left thinks we ought to take some account of individual needs so everyone can get a fair go.

    When you look at our tax system, you can tell what matters to New Zealanders. We don’t want to make everybody tall but we do want everybody to be able to see the parade.

    I’ve heard that one before. Some people think it’s an apt illustration but it’s simplistic and for a one-off event.

    It could just as easily be twisted differently. What if there were three people are of similar height?

    One got up early, went and cut up a log and made three boxes and stacked them so they could see a parade over a fence.

    The second person got up late and stood behind the fence complaining they couldn’t see over it.

    The third person came along and took one box of the first person and gave it to the second person. Now they both weren’t high enough to see over the fence. And the third person took the third box for themselves so they could rest their feet on it when they watched their leader’s parade from a balcony.

    Does Dr Deborah Russell tell different variations of stories to her students?

    Dr Deborah Russell is Labour candidate for Rangitikei.

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  23. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Griff you retard, comprehension fail. What don’t you understand about islands growing.Sea level rise of 2 mm is hardly the 3- 20 meters we keep getting promised.
    It’s the people causing the problem in Kiribati you moron.
    How about explaining to us all how CO 2 is going to cause 3-6 degrees K warming huh.
    In your own words huh. You can’t and you get caught out all the time as slowly you start to side with what people like me and Wat have been saying for years.
    Now go and take your medication.

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  24. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Btw Griff
    I have always acknowledged that the planet has warmed .7 degree K over the past 100 years and that we will continue to see modest warming. I have always said that future warming will be predicated on Transient Climate Sensitivity being around 1.3 degrees K for every doubling of CO 2 so don’t put words into my mouth you dumb lying cunt.
    Now go and wipe your Dads arse.

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  25. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol: and its still not reached the level of the sixties as I have shown you:lol; the information is on the nidc web site if you look

    The antarctic is a Continent surrounded by ocean the ice on the Continent is melting quicker all the time

    This creates fresher water on the surface which freezes quicker than salty water causing the sea ice to expand more in winter
    This you would know if you read the link from nsidc instead you got that from some anti science wingnut site didn’t you
    You only look at what suits you stupid wingnuttery and ignore all else ,.

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  26. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    From yesterday’s GD:

    Coming back to the religious/cultural reasons behind Islam’s systemic abuse of women Kea, culture may be a secondary factor:

    “Quran: (Surah An-Nisaa’ [The Women] 4:34)
    Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband’s property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill­conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.”

    The practise is actually ordained & part of the faith.

    You can find a similar idea in the Bible:
    “Married women, submit to your own husbands as if to the Lord” ~ Ephesians 5:22

    And if you think that “(and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)” constitutes abuse, consider these:

    “…And live with them in kindness…” Surah 4:19
    “… He has put love and mercy between your (hearts)” Surah 30:21

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  27. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    post the wipe your dads arse one more time and I will complain to DPF…

    insult me all you want but trying to denigrate me because I have taken on the duty of caring for my parent as he dies is the action of fucking disgusting wanker..

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  28. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/467597196406190080/photo/1

    I wonder how Kim Dotcom’s separation from his wife will affect his campaign finances.

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  29. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ griffith (1,018 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 9:00 am

    I totally agree with your comment. In a week where we have seen someone imprisoned for 2 1/2 years, due to sheer negligence in failing to take care of an aged parent, to poke shit at someone using their fulfilling of their moral obligation as a child of an aging parent, to mock, is certainly not on. It is comments like that which allow society’s less responsible to feel justified in ignoring, or worse, the people that gave birth to them, and raised them – not to mention allows an overall devaluing of the aged, causing them to be targets of disrespect, crime and violence.

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  30. OneTrack (3,116 comments) says:

    Pete – “So which sort of fairness is best? Treating everyone exactly the same or treating people according to their needs”

    According to their NEEDs – Ah, one of the definitions of Communism. At least we know what she has in mind for us.

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  31. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I am willing to give and take acknowledge I am extremely rude often and have been justly banned for it but….
    that comment is one of the worst I have ever seen and he has posted it twice now
    I would hate to be his parent…

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  32. OneTrack (3,116 comments) says:

    griffith – “fucken hard to live in a wave zone idiot….as to only 2mm a year you have claimed the globe is not warming.
    If it aint warming why is sea level rising? to much dribble from retards?”

    What do the “Models” say? Or has somebody fiddled a model (again) to try and get 2mm a year? Anything in the model about land subsidence in islands built on coral? Or is that just inconvenient?

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  33. wiseowl (899 comments) says:

    Well I’ve checked the childrens, put tiddles down and didn’t win lotto.

    Can anyone tell me what the hell gives Penny not Dim but Hulse, the right to want the Super Council to debate de criminalisation of weed.
    Surely this is not what the council should be spending money or time on?

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  34. OneTrack (3,116 comments) says:

    wiseowl – the super city is for people who want to tell other people what to do but dont have a show in national politics.

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  35. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    big bruv – I don’t have too many olfactory issues with them – but you’ll always get the odd extreme case. I wanted to get to the bulk bins and this fat as fuck wheelchair bound white woman with a carer – WOW she stank like nothing else. And of course – at $13.50 / kilo they were filling one of the bigger bags up with ojays and were clearly going to be quite some time parked there. I buggered off after sticking around long enough to confirm the infirm infinity – you know – just for a laugh. The stench stretched metres away from her. I wanted to say to them that if it’s hard to access a bath or shower – had they thought about a fire hose ?

    Around their fish bar is really pungent – eeeww. Oh – and I used the public toilet – one female Indian employee came out after a ripe session – did she want to wash her hands ? At least I think she was in her own time and not jumping back on a checkout.

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  36. peterwn (3,277 comments) says:

    Re dairy owners shopping at Pak’n’Save

    Foodstuffs only got itself to blame – seems that Toops (a Foodstuffs owned wholesaler used by dairies etc) is just too expensive.

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  37. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    Interesting to know that there are some in life who see as part of their mission to go about supermarkets smelling people, from this they can determine whether or not they are ‘lowlifes’ and which political party (presumably, if any,) to which they belong.

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  38. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    And someone actually up-ticked that abusive comment from All_on_red. Shame.

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  39. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Cease the abuse Griff and I will do the same. Enough is enough.

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  40. stephieboy (3,167 comments) says:

    I see the climate deniers are out in force this morn pushing their crocks with focus on sea levels.The claim is made that Kiirbati is growing but that is scant reassurance for those live their and witness and experience it day by day, weeks , months etc.,

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/03/27/world/climate-rising-seas.html

    Behind climate denialism is the persuasive and pernicious presence and influence of vested interests like the Koch Brothers who see climate change as immicable to their desire for a total deregulation to plunder, pillage and rape the earths resources at will.

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  41. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Stephie
    So NSIDC ( see the link in my post above about sea ice growing in Antarctica) are under the control of the Koch brothers are they. As are BOM, NOAA,our own NiWA etc etc.
    Pray share with us, what exactly are we denying about the climate?
    We all acknowledge sea levels are slowly rising, as is the temperature, that CO2 is a GHG and causes warming, just not dangerously.
    Your last comment points to how you perceive this as a political issue not a scientific one.

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  42. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I wanted to say to them that if it’s hard to access a bath or shower – had they thought about a fire hose ?

    Actually, when you are in a wheelchair it is extremely hard to access a bath or shower, and whatever health condition she had, may have meant she had showered prior to leaving home, but had since due to her condition – become smelly.

    Your empathy for people less fortunate than yourself, is beyond description. Your sheer assumptions, incredible. No doubt you are inspiration for someone.

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  43. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    David Parker looked very unconvincing and uncomfortable on Q&A. He doesn’t seem ton have any confidence in the lines he’s trying to push.

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  44. wf (448 comments) says:

    All_on_Red: as far as I’m concerned, you crossed the line with your very personal comment to Griffith.

    I think that being totally bitchy towards a person about their family circumstances is totally uncalled for – an elevated level of abuse IMO.

    Unfortunately KB doesn’t seem to moderate the level of personal insults, which is ok I guess if 5th form locker room humor is your style.

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  45. stephieboy (3,167 comments) says:

    All in Red, all I can say is that the Kiribati government and is citizens see things quite differently regarding sea levels .It’s a daily reality that also effects a great many costal sea level countries like Bangalesh linked in the New York Times article postal earlier.

    http://www.pacificclimatechange.net/index.php/eresources/documents?task=view&id=34&catid=71

    Am afraid there does appear to be vested interests often linked to Climate Denial most of a Conpiracy,Libertarian or far right persuasion.In my view it’s the Climate deniers who have largely politicized it.Obviously any kind if regulation or restriction that impedes the ” free ” markets, the invisible hand has to be stopped.

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  46. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    I hope I don’t get called a denier for posting facts, but the nearest sea level gauge to Kiribati is Chuuk, and the records show a rise of 0.60mm/year (+- 1.78mm/yr – the margin of error is 3x the nominal rise).
    http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=1840000

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  47. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You’re a denier.

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  48. wf (448 comments) says:

    Further, it’s an old trick (when you have suddenly found yourself to have overstepped the mark) to transfer blame to the victim by generously offering to stop if he will.

    Classic bullying technique.

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  49. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Thanks for the love mikey. I used reverse psychology on you there ;)

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  50. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Judith – I was less fortunate than her at that moment. She can’t smell herself.

    I’ll tell you what mate – I’ll bet you anything that woman hadn’t been near fucking water for a while. It was fucking god awful. That had to be more than having an illness. But next time Judith – I’ll make sure to ask if they can’t help stinking to high heaven.

    And they were just fuckwits. No other cunt could get near the bulk bins smell or no smell. They literally parked up across the confectionary bins for five minutes straight – WTF ? If you want rude – if there’s a next time I’ll just flat out tell them to hurry the fuck up and get the fuck out of the way instead of spending all fucking day. She had a fucking carer to do everything – what’s the hold-up ? The hold up was this fat bitch spending a whole day selecting $50 worth of shit to feed her face with all week. Notice that the hands and mouth work no problem so she can outblob chair after chair. What’s the excuse for being oblivious to others around you ? Mental retardation ? Her eyes weren’t disabled Judith. She could sure see the fucking lollies.

    I don’t know – the part where she eats herself to death while I’m sweating the kilojoules – hey – I’d love to eat for ten.

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  51. Spam (588 comments) says:

    (I>Am afraid there does appear to be vested interests often linked to Climate Denial most of a Conpiracy,Libertarian or far right persuasion.

    And you don’t think that the Kiribati government, holding their hands out for aid from the UN are in any way a vested interest?

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  52. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    L,R & C – Why even shop at Pak N Save?? You know it is going to be full of smelly, unemployable scum (with their Green/Mana party bumper stickers on their shitty old cars) loading up their trolleys with Coke and Chips and paying with the WINZ vouchers we kindly gifted them…
    Most of us would happily spend the extra few dollars and shop at a Supermarket with normal folk…who wash!

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  53. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    wf
    I probably did and did so deliberately. The abuse from Griff has been constant and non stop. It has been going on for months. It has been highly personal and just plain out nasty. I am not the only one who has been on the receiving end of it but probably have copped it the worst. He has been asked to stop on numerous occasions and all you get is just more abuse.
    He has been banned twice now because of his abuse.
    Abuse is abuse, no matter whether target is the individual , their race or their family.
    All he has to do is stop it.

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  54. stephieboy (3,167 comments) says:

    Long knives, I hope your not representative of the newer generation of the aspiring rabid far right.? I guess you must be lucky that your rest home must do your supermarket shopping for you.?
    I take it your rest home has a psychiatric wing tailored especially for you.?

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  55. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Left Right and Centre (2,568 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Fair comment – but really, when you don’t know the circumstances, it is impossible to say why she smelt, or was in the wheelchair.

    I do agree with you about the eating though. If I was the next PM of New Zealand, I’d tax the living hell out of white sugar – so that tax could supplement the amount of our health budget, plus make luxury sweet food more expensive than good nutritional stuff, making people who can’t limit themselves, have to do so.

    When a bottle of coke, or a kg of lollies is cheaper than a bottle of milk or a kg of nuts – of course people are going to purchase what is the cheapest, when they are on a budget and get free hospital care for the consequences of their poor diet choices.

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  56. Manolo (13,838 comments) says:

    Stephie, you are the poster child of your selfish generation: a vacuous, rabid Obama and AGW supporter, with scant knowledge of history to enter into any serious discussion.

    Go away and learn before mingling with adults!

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  57. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Stephie
    No it is not a daily ” reality” . Tidal measurement from scientific institutions like NOAA ( see Right Nows post) show the rise is minimal .
    The issue many of these islands have is that because of too many people the fresh water table us dropping, it’s becoming polluted because of too much rubbish. The truth is ,that Atolls grow and rise up slowly from the sea level.Heck Darwin discovered that years ago.
    Now if pop growth and pollution is a reason for accepting refugees then so be it, but don’t lie and say sea level rise is the reason.
    The Churches refuse to promote contraception and if they did that might help too.

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  58. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    All_on_Red, That comment about griffs dad is nasty, even by the ambitious standards of KB.

    I am not against personal attacks and in fact they often comprise the entire content of a comment from people who believe imaginary things, like climate change and god. I often find them very amusing including the ones directed at me.

    But having a go at the guys unwell father, because of a dodgy weather forecast, is vicious and not at all amusing. Personally I would apologise to griff and then continue on with the debate.

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  59. stephieboy (3,167 comments) says:

    Manolo the seriously deluded one who continues to dabble in the occult of Birthersim – “The Kenyan ” and associated witchcraft like climate denial and tea baggerisms
    You’ll no doubt be delighted to learn that the Texan national based intimated March against Obama was a fizzer.!

    .

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  60. wiseowl (899 comments) says:

    I’m off now to measure todays high tide mark.
    I’ll put a chalk mark on a stone.

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  61. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Alright Kea,

    I apologise Griff, and withdraw my remark. For your part, please cease the abuse.
    Thank you

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  62. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    All_on_Red, good man. Now get stuck into him for telling fibs about the weather ;)

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  63. calendar girl (1,243 comments) says:

    Judith @ 10:48am – I don’t pretend to have the answers for the sugar epidemic in which societies like ours are engulfed.

    But I’m fairly confident that there are better ways to turn back the tide than by (a) more (or higher) taxes; (b) trying to micro-manage the economy product by product; and (c) denying individuals freedom of choice at the personal level.

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  64. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    stupidboy seems to have himself confused here “Behind climate denialism is the persuasive and pernicious presence and influence of vested interests”. This is what happens when you -believe- things without evidence.

    Evangelicals Push Back Against Global Warming Doom

    WASHINGTON – A group of evangelicals, comprised of scientists, economists and theologians, said the mainstream view of pending catastrophe caused by climate change is exaggerated. They made the claim at an event Thursday just days ahead of a key U.N.-sponsored climate change conference in Copenhagen.

    The evangelical scholars argued that science, contrary to what many leading scientists claim, does not support the claim that increased CO2 in the atmosphere is having a negative effect on the earth.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-push-back-against-climate-change-hoax-42126/

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  65. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Longknives – I hate to say it mate but apart from the fact that I’d live in a spa pool if I could I fit right in there with my fellow lowlives. The real question would be do they give a shit enough to vote for anyone – let alone Labour / Greens ?

    Some of the staff there are super fantastic and I enjoy talking with them. There’s one fella there who is one of the most positive people you could hope to meet – pulling minimum wage (I’d guess) in a braindead job. That’s inspiring.

    Mostly I don’t have any problems there at all. If people are obese and scroungy I just feel sorry for them. Sad way to be – apart from eating anything you want. It’s not worth thinking in terms of ‘accepted standards of behaviour’ – you just forget that unless someone is really really taking the piss. And even then . . . be afraid – be very very afraid. I find myself going at times when there’s less zombies – that’s one strategy. Forget Sat afternoon – fuck that. I actually can’t take it. Horror flick. I can’t take that amount of stupidity, ugliness and bad taste filling up every part of my field of vision.

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  66. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ calendar girl (1,129 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    I would agree with you on all those three counts CG, however, the situation has reached epidemic proportions.
    I heavily support the free health care of children and the elderly, but what really annoys me are the large numbers of 30/40 year olds, and even 20 years old’s that are in our health system with diabetes and other conditions due to their nutritional choices. Our health bill is horrendous. The elderly have paid taxes, so deserve the care, and the children goes without saying – but the middle group are just irresponsible, because they know the harms and the health implications but many don’t seem to be able to self regulate.

    White sugar is one of the most destructive substances on the planet human health wise. It not only causes diabetes, and cardiac problems, but also reduces the body’s resistance to infection etc., not to mention plays havoc with energy levels, including brain function.

    Because there are such a large number of people that can’t self regulate their sugar consumption, I believe the government, because it is a health concern, should do so. Its similar argument to the one given for tobacco – why should I pay for the bad habits of those who just will not? I am all for freedom of choice – but not when it is apparent that many just can’t make the right choices (like those that take illicit drugs etc, we legislate to protect the stupid)

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  67. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    There is some very interesting research around the harm done by a high sugar diet. It seems clear a lot of the harm attributed to fats is in fact caused by sugar, along with many other health and well being problems. It really is a big problem and costs us billions.

    You know what caused it folks ?

    The amount of sugar in our diets increased massively following government campaigns demonising fats, eggs etc. Food manufacturers were pressured into offering low-fat. To increase taste they added sugars, like corn syrup. Sugar found its way into things where it had never been before. It is now known the peer reviewed scientific consensus was faulty and often without evidence.

    So let recap what has caused this global health crisis and millions of preventable deaths:

    1. Nanny State.

    2. Flawed science based on “consensus” rather than “evidence”.

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  68. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Judith – that’s just dumb. Soft drink is cheaper than milk so you put Coke on your cornflakes ?

    If you really want me to start typing out essays about low income dumb people and why they do dumb shit . . . isn’t it obvious ? They’re thick mate. They make ignorant choices. I could live on $13 for food a week if I could handle the world’s most boring retarded diet. A sack of spuds and water. You could live on vegetables. In the last week there’s been days where I’ve lived on veg, fruit and tea. No shit. I haven’t eaten meat for a week now (it takes hours to make and two minutes to eat – what a rip-off).

    Why drink full sugar soft drink ? There’s zero sugar. Why drink full fat milk ? There’s trim. Why buy 95% of the shit available at the supermarket ? It’s all rubbish. You don’t need any of it – and certainly not in the quantities that people eat.

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  69. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    L,R & C- Agreed re the Supermarket staff. I have the utmost respect for anybody who works hard for a living, especially in low-paid jobs like that (where they are earning far less than the parasitic beneficiary customers..)
    But reality is- If you want to avoid smelly ferals like the ones you described…shop elsewhere!

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  70. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    This is very good, if you have time and are interested.

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  71. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Pendle Witch Child documentary. Is relevant to Peter Ellis case

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  72. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Longknives – that’s the real reason they make the aisles big enough for emergency 737 landings. So you can’t smell each other and also limits product contamination. They thought of everything making shops for the braindead masses. However – I can count all the nasty whiffy experiences on one hand – it’s just not even a thing. Lots of space to escape. If that wheelchair woman had been in a small NW they’d have to close down until successful fumigation.

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  73. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Diabetes and high blood pressure.
    In my opinion its mostly self inflicted.
    proven to my satisfaction by getting dad of meds for both in only six months due to a slightly healthier diet
    No white sugar no heavily processed foods and no white bread…
    But FFS don’t get the government involved we don’t need more regulation just better education.

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  74. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Left Right and Centre (2,571 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Totally agree, but they buy it because its cheaper than the alternatives. When money counts, they do what they have to do to get by, and not look at the bigger picture. The kids are fed and not complaining – the fact they are all on sugar highs doesn’t seem to worry them.

    I don’t think more education will make the slightest difference. These people know that sugar is bad – everyone knows an apple is a better choice than chocolate, and milk is better for children than coke – they have that knowledge, and they aren’t using it.

    So, do we, those that do use the knowledge and take care of ourselves, just have to suck it up and keep paying for those that don’t – because ‘personal choice’ is best? Have you seen the size of our health budget, we complain about welfare, but this is also a huge concern.

    When personal choice starts drastically affecting other people, then in my opinion its no longer just personal choice.

    PS Sugar free alternatives are also ‘bad’ according to some health experts, so there is a mixed message being given.

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  75. wat dabney (3,778 comments) says:

    Ooh, those evil Koch brothers make me so mad.

    Koch employees have earned well over 700 awards for environmental, health and safety excellence since 2009, many of them from the Environmental Protection Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration. EPA officials have commended us for our “commitment to a cleaner environment” and called us “a model for other companies.”

    Our refineries have consistently ranked among the best in the nation for low per-barrel emissions. In 2012, our Total Case Incident Rate (an important safety measure) was 67% better than a Bureau of Labor Statistics average for peer industries. Even so, we have never rested on our laurels. We believe there is always room for innovation and improvement.

    Far from trying to rig the system, I have spent decades opposing cronyism and all political favors, including mandates, subsidies and protective tariffs—even when we benefit from them. I believe that cronyism is nothing more than welfare for the rich and powerful, and should be abolished.

    Koch Industries was the only major producer in the ethanol industry to argue for the demise of the ethanol tax credit in 2011. That government handout (which cost taxpayers billions) needlessly drove up food and fuel prices as well as other costs for consumers—many of whom were poor or otherwise disadvantaged. Now the mandate needs to go, so that consumers and the marketplace are the ones who decide the future of ethanol.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286

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  76. stephieboy (3,167 comments) says:

    Just an update on the ” Patriots ” Operation Spring March on Washington that aimed to mobilize millions to March gainst Washigyon to topple Obama and the House speaker Chris Boeher .Only a motley few hundred lunatics turned up consisting of. ” the usual suspects ” of Birthers and Tea Baggers etc ,

    http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/16/operation-american-spring-falls-flat-very-disappoi/

    To say it fell flat is something of a massive understatement.I urge their local supporters here to visit their Doctor for a check up or better still, the nearest mental health facility.

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  77. Scott Chris (6,155 comments) says:

    Got me some fresh water-cress so time for a scrambled-egg/water-cress sandwich I think.

    Bit of pepper and salt, yummy. And a nice home baked chocolate brownie and a cup of tea to follow.

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  78. All_on_Red (1,584 comments) says:

    Scott,
    Try slices of smoked eel, over cold par boiled peeled and sliced potatoes with mayonnaise , covered with crumbled boiled egg and watercress.

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  79. Scott Chris (6,155 comments) says:

    I hope I don’t get called a denier for posting facts, but the nearest sea level gauge to Kiribati is Chuuk, and the records show a rise of 0.60mm/year (+- 1.78mm/yr – the margin of error is 3x the nominal rise).

    No but I’ll call you a denier for cherry-picking.

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  80. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Just an update on the ” Patriots ” Operation Spring March on Washington that aimed to mobilize millions to March gainst Washigyon to topple Obama

    stuuuuupidboy, here is another “update” for ya:

    Obama’s Current Approval Rating Is The Ugliest Since Nixon

    Obama’s approval rating in the poll stands at 43%. By comparison, President George W. Bush had a 47% approval rating at the end of the fifth year of his presidency. And all other Post-World War II presidents had approval ratings above 50% — with the exception of Nixon, who, amid the Watergate scandal, had a dreadful 29% approval rating.

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/obama-approval-rating-polls-nixon-2013-12

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  81. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    kea corn syrup is what ever the manufacture decides to make it can be high de fructose to complex multi Dextrines

    its the pure high de that causes the harm

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  82. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    It’s not cheaper Judith – that’s the whole point. How much does filling a bottle with water cost ? If you can’t afford basic good food like potatoes, cabbage, carrots . . . you can’t afford the crap either.

    Sugar is not bad. Increasing your health risk is bad.

    You’d have to tax everything Judith. You can be overweight from eating anything. For a while last year I wondered why I was struggling to maintain my level of weight loss. Boiled potato. I don’t eat potato anymore – switched to pumpkin. I wasn’t eating sugar at the time. Added sugar is in everything. It’s in tinned fruit. Cereal. Even bread. Condensed milk. Ice cream. Jelly. Desserts. Fruit juice. Dairy products. Biscuits. Golden syrup. Sauces. Muesli bars. Jam. Fruit has natural fruit sugar fructose.

    And Kelloggs pop tarts – which are pure evil for sugar – look at the box – 33g sugars / 100g !!

    And you’d have to tax cooking oil / butter / margarine / rice / pasta / popcorn / chippies / peanut butter / nuts / seeds. It’s the energy content that counts – not just if it’s sugar or not. All of those things are as high or higher than sugar in energy value.

    (If you’ve said to hell with everything – I highly recommend popcorn cooked in oil with sugar and salt added. It’s got every source of evil imaginable. Your pleasure sensors might pop as well).

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  83. wat dabney (3,778 comments) says:

    No but I’ll call you a denier for cherry-picking.

    In a discussion about Kirbati and sea-level change it’s not clear how quoting the Kiribati rate of sea-level change is “cherry-picking.”

    If you wish to see dishonest cherry-picking there is no better example than Griff and his fraudulent use of selective ice-extent numbers.

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  84. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    griff, yeah, but high sugar, of any kind, seems to be harmful. I am not into all this low carb business, but I have tinkered with my diet and I notice the difference. I have never had a sweet tooth, but I have limited my carbs. I mostly try and eat rice and beans. I have lost weight without effort and without going hungry. I was not fat, but got a bit of a gut.

    Just looking at peoples physical shape and what they eat, the vast majority of fatties eat sweet stuff. They also are also fascinated with sweet drinks.

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  85. stephieboy (3,167 comments) says:

    Kea , yes that’s right Obama maybe at his lowest approval rating but that further begs the obvious question why Operation Spring March was such a fizzer .
    The large number of cranks who infested that multitude of a few hundred likely didn’t participate in the poll.Bur more importantly you can’t run a country on the whim of opinion polls as even lower polls of past Presidents testify.
    Also I would like to know what those few hundred think ( and you and other local tea baggers) should be done to wean America ‘s unsatiable desire fotr debt.The usual familiar, like abolish the Federal Reserve, Dismantle Washington DC.etc,etc.
    Do realize that debt crises began largely as a consequence of GWB deciding to pay fror the Afghan and Iraq wars by tax cuts and paying fir it by borrowing – a credit card if you will.Secondly, the decision by Greensoan and his Fed reserve to totally deregulate the sub prime and lending markets.

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  86. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    You’re right Judith – very hard to educate thick people – poor bastards. I can’t really talk – I used to think my 95-100kg weight range was ‘just what happens when you get older’. How bad is that ? Total horsehite of course. We seem to have the same problem getting the message through to the braindead masses about drink driving / wearing seatbelts / having the right car seat for their ‘childrens’ / keeping their cars roadworthy / following rules and laws in general . . . there’s always the minority of dicks you just can’t ever get through to. Can’t even put out the recycling properly. I drove a recycle truck briefly – you’d find all manner of retardedness. Chinese takeaway container full of food in the recycling ? Good one lowlives.

    It would have to be big time tax before you get the dicks to cut back on crap.

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  87. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    stephieboy (1,434 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 12:30 pm
    Kea , yes that’s right Obama maybe at his lowest approval rating

    Thanks, we agree then. I think America has given up hope under Obama, so they are too despondent to protest in the street. Not only is Obama unpopular at home, he is hated abroad, thanks largely to his war mongering. The USA did not have this many troops in this many countries during the second world war ! Obama is considerably less popular than Bush globally.

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  88. wat dabney (3,778 comments) says:

    Despite its name, Gary Taube’s book ‘Why we get fat, and what to do about it’ is a popular science book rather than a diet book. It presents evidence and talks about how the body responds differently to sugars (and carbs, which break down as sugars), which is what makes them fattening in ways which fat and protein are not.

    In short, no, it’s not the energy content that counts. That turns out to be a complete red herring.

    http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307474259

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  89. stephieboy (3,167 comments) says:

    Kea, your grossly distorting things yet again.At least 7 million American military personal served in military operations during WW Ii and your saying the same number are serving overseas today.?
    That can’t be right.How many e.g are now deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan right now.?
    Small wonder only few hundred turned up with those kind of lies thar are repeatedly pontificated about.!
    Again his approval rating might be lower than GWB bur you like your fellow tea baggers consistently fail to come up with workable and viable answers and solutions to Americas debt woes.
    Possibly we need to get John Key and Bill English to sort things out there.?

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  90. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    In short, no, it’s not the energy content that counts. That turns out to be a complete red herring.

    wat dabney, every bit of fat on your body came through your mouth. It is just physics. Regardless of what you eat, you can lose weight by restricting energy consumed. So that statement is wrong, taken in isolation. However, I do know what it is you are referring to and I agree.

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  91. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    PS Sugar free alternatives are also ‘bad’ according to some health experts, so there is a mixed message being given.

    ‘health experts’ – quite a few of those lovely self-appointed little know-it-alls in the digital age. Always look for the ‘products page’ on their really impartial websites. Well – go for water then.

    So I take it you follow your own advice and don’t look like one of those middle-aged lumbering out of breath slowly waddling juggernauts that struggle their way up to the foodcourt ?

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  92. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    stupidboy, I did not mean to refer to troop numbers, but to the number of countries subject to attack or military operations by the hated black warlord. Including the sponsorship of radical jihadist to destabilise and weaken countries that do not adore Israel unconditionally.

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  93. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Taube is a crackpot and whatever that shit is – it aint good science.

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  94. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC, be that as it may, you will spend your life struggling with your weight if you continue your fascination with sweet things. Aside from your general well being suffering as a result.

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  95. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Dietary fat, whether saturated or not, is not a cause of obesity, heart disease, or any other chronic disease of civilization.

    Aha – dietary fat is not a cause of obesity. Just eat kilos of it not a problem. Well – thanks for that Gazza. No relevant qualifications – what a big surprise.

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  96. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Left Right and Centre (2,575 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    For the past two years I have avoided white sugar – I won’t lie and say I’ve never had it, but only in restricted circumstances.

    I use both coconut sugar and coconut flour, as well as coconut oil in most of my cooking. I never use white flour and replace it either with coconut or wholemeal, depending on what I’m cooking.

    I do eat natural sugars and start every day with a smoothie that consists of pineapple juice or coconut water (as a base), blueberries, kiwifruit, and whatever other fruit available, I add to that LSA (Linseed/Sunflower and Almond grounded), Chia seeds, and a mix called Super Greens, made by Matakana Superfoods (has all sorts of great stuff in it), and finally a 1/4 tsp of guarana powder. That basically gives me everything I need – the rest of the day I try to keep to natural and protein as much as possible. Drink very little alcohol, and lots of water.

    Chocolate is my temptation, however, I found a great non sugar one made by Guylian, which satisfies cravings.

    I’m 56 and fitter now than I was in my late 30/40s.

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  97. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC, update your knowledge of diet. Dietary fat is not the demon.

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  98. stephieboy (3,167 comments) says:

    Kea, there you go again with your usual tricks known as shifting the goal posts.You did plainly refer to troop numbers as per your post 12. 37am and you can’t just create an escape clause for you obvious hot air and bombastic blundering.
    Typical of this is your spurious claim of the US sponsoring Radical Jihadist etc..
    The Shia and Sunni militias in Syria.??
    What a crock.I suggest better time for you devoted to sending sympathy cards to the failed Operation Spring March.They could do with your theatrical tears.!

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  99. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    What’s the sugar doing to people’s general well being kea ? Sugar or no sugar a lot of people will naturally struggle to resist temptation with an abundance of cool things to eat out there. The freaks are the ones who can swear it off.

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  100. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    stupidboy, I clarified my statement “stupidboy, I did not mean to refer to troop numbers, but to the number of countries subject to attack or military operations ”

    I did not need to shift the goal posts. I base my ideas on evidence and do not need to resort to silly games to support a faith based view in the mistaken view it will get me to heaven.

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  101. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Nah, never.
    /

    http://20committee.com/2014/05/17/ideology-is-making-america-stupid/

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  102. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    I don’t watch video on the internet kea

    So – now there’s no ‘bad fats’ ?

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  103. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Left Right and Centre (2,577 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    What white sugar does is increase your insulin levels. All sugars increase your insulin, but some of the natural sugars are slower to release and so lessen the effect by allowing the energy to be used up at a similar rate.

    White sugar gives a ‘hit’ that is reflected in the insulin levels for sometime – making the negative effects on the body last longer.

    Eating natural fat does not have the same body fat gain effect – however, like all things, when eaten in excess cause problems.

    I guess the healthiest eating plan is moderation. Too much of anything will have a negative effect – no matter how healthy it is meant to be – even excessive water can cause problems.

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  104. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    How were Spanish Jews affected in the Spanish inquisition?

    Since the purpose of the Spanish Inquisition was to investigate whether or not people living in Spain were “sincere” Catholics or not, anyone who was not a sincere Catholic stood to be adversely affected.

    The Inquisitor would sometimes use torture to attempt to make the Jew swear to be a sincere catholic and to follow catholic customs. If the Jew refused, they could be exported, along with their family. In some severe cases where Jews refused to convert to Catholicism and held to their Jewish customs, they were burned at the stake in a public ceremony.

    This was done by Catholic Christians in the dark ages. You may assume the Church would now condemn such atrocities. You would be wrong. This is from – The Catholic Education Resource Center- today in 2014 !

    “One of the most enduring myths of the Inquisition is that it was a tool of oppression imposed on unwilling Europeans by a power-hungry Church. Nothing could be more wrong. In truth, the Inquisition brought order, justice, and compassion ”

    http://catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0075.html

    Compassion !!! Thousands died hideous cruel deaths under torture and the modern Church calls it fucking “compassion” & “Justice”

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  105. OneTrack (3,116 comments) says:

    lrc – “It would have to be big time tax before you get the dicks to cut back on crap.”

    But then the cries would go out that people were living in poverty and that we have to tax the productive sector more and raise benefits. So they will then be able to afford the highly taxed sugar drinks again.

    Oh. Wait….

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  106. stephieboy (3,167 comments) says:

    Kea, here is a crrentblist of US military petsonel deployed over seas .Apart from Afghnistan which petsonel are now being deployed by the Black War Mongerer attacking and occupying which counties.?,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

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  107. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC, I guess trans fats are not so flash, but basically yes, there are no bad fats. Someone posted something the other day about how there was never any proper evidence to show that saturated fat was bad. It was used as an example of “consensus science” failing. It was not because of – new – research. There never ever was any proper scientific evidence at all !

    A bit like the 50 MILLION DOLLARS spent eradicating Foxes in Tasmania by scientists over a 13 year period. It is now revealed there were never any Foxes in Tasmania EVER ! No Fox was ever observed and no Fox was ever killed. Fox experts told them that, but that was not the “consensus” of the scientists.

    Look it up and see for yourself. It is very widely reported. :)

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  108. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Myth: sugar high

    The premise of a “sugar high” is that white table sugar uniquely causes a rapid, abnormally high rise in blood glucose or glycemic response which then triggers an excess production of insulin. The premise continues by alleging that the excess insulin induces an equally unnatural release followed by a drop in blood glucose to an unusually low level. The chart above shows clearly that the glycemic response sugar is moderate, not a high glycemic food.

    http://www.sugar.org/sugar-your-diet/family-health/glycemic-index/

    Haha – the sugar folks. Well – they’ll be unbiased, won’t they ?

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  109. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    stupidboy, Riddle me this ?

    The War On Terror Spreads to Africa: U.S. Sending Troops to 35 African Nations

    America Sets Its Sights On Controlling African Resources … And Reducing Chinese Influence

    The U.S. is sending troops to 35 African nations under the guise of fighting Al Qaeda and related terrorists.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/01/the-war-on-terror-spreads-to-africa-u-s-sending-troops-to-35-african-nations.html

    In addition every single country unsympathetic to Israel has the US killing people, directly or indirectly. All of them ! Coincidence ? Yeah Right !

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  110. calendar girl (1,243 comments) says:

    Judith @ 11:19am: “Our health bill is horrendous. The elderly have paid taxes, so deserve the care, and the children goes without saying – but the middle group are just irresponsible, because they know the harms and the health implications but many don’t seem to be able to self regulate.”

    Call my ignorant, irresponsible too if you like, but until a couple of years ago I knew the “don’t smoke” message (I don’t smoke) but didn’t have any idea about the “harms and health implications” of what I now regard as “hidden sugars”. My own weight problem, it turned out, came about from excessive eating of carbs (not from what we would all normally regard as “white sugars” which I used very sparingly). Until my GP outlined to me how carbs convert into sugar, my diet was full of breakfast cereals, bread, toast, pasta, pizza, potatoes, rice and the like, and I had become “pre-diabetic”.

    He changed my diet though giving me knowledge; and my condition improved as soon as I knew the facts. The kilos fell away when the carb intake was reduced to about 10-15% of its former level. I lost 12kg in 4 months, without medication of any kind, and have kept it off ever since – weighing myself every morning on accurate electronic scales, and recording the scores. My blood-suger levels, cholestrol and blood pressure levels are now all stable and within “normal” ranges, and my name has been removed from a diabetic register that I didn’t even know existed. The GP tells me that I have added 20 years to my life-span. Whether or not that is so, there has been a dramatic change in my health and and general vitality.

    Despite general education to university level and beyond, I had never previously been “educated” about the sugar effects of carbohydrates. (Believe it or not, I used to think that pasta must be particularly healthy, because I couldn’t associate obesity in my mind with Italians, and because ultra-fit marathon and other endurance athletes tend to load-up on pasta before big events!)

    I had also learned from media and medical-cum-scientific sources that eggs were a specific health hazard, so cut my egg intake back to minimal levels. Now I regard eggs as almost a wonder-food, one of the most nutritious energy sources available, and consume them regularly.

    So when people say that education hasn’t stopped or curtailed our obesity epidemic, I ask myself, in the context of carbohydrates as a major source of our population’s sugar intake: “What education?” There haven’t been sustained public campaigns to educate us about the risks of our high-carb intakes. If the money spent on the positive “Five a Day” promotion of fruit and vegies had been spent equally alongside a campaign educating us about the dangers of carb-based sugars, that might have produced far better outcomes. If we had not all been scared off eggs, that too would have been beneficial.

    But my belief is, above all else, that one-on-one education is required at the front-line of the medical profession, from GPs and nurses with a clear understanding of the problem and its causes, and educational resources and training to match. Is there a more important health message for front-line medical professionals to impart to patients? How can such an approach be prioritised and mandated in the medical consultation rooms that we already fund substantially through our taxes?

    It takes personal discipline and determination on the part of the patient to turn that advice into practical results, and many people will not be up to that. For some people, also, the relative costs of energy-rich foods will be an obstacle, although I think personally that too much is made of this “excuse for inaction” as people cling to their customary comfort foods.

    I myself am just thankful that – by chance – I had (and still have) a GP who had both the knowledge and the personal courage to confront my weight condition that he saw in front of him, and to demand diet changes on my part to deal with it. He’s my hero.

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  111. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Left Right and Centre (2,579 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    You only have to ask any mother who has let her child drink or eat high sugar foods, to get told that article is a load of rubbish.

    I note it is written by the Sugar Industry.

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  112. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Judith – if you want to sound more knowledgeable about sugar and insulin – might I suggest some further reading ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin

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  113. wat dabney (3,778 comments) says:

    L,R&C,

    The main point of Taube’s theory is that a variable proportion of a given calorific intake can go either to the muscles to provide useable energy or into fat cells. It is the increased sugar/carbs in the diet which changes this ratio such that more of the calories are stored uselessly as fat (the aforementioned insulin response.)

    The result is that people eating a relatively high sugar diet (which is nearly everyone these days) need to eat more in order to provide the same amount of energy. In other words, they are eating more because they are getting fat, rather than getting fat because they are eating more.

    Changing to a diet low in sugar/carbs and high in protein and fat therefore results in you being less hungry and eating considerably less.

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  114. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    stupidboy & ShawnLH have often lied about Jews being wiped out in Iran to promote their hatred and the supremacist state of Israel. So lets keep with the theme of telling the truth today [after all its the Sabath] and have a wee look.

    Iran is home to almost 9,000 Jews, and has the second-largest Jewish population in the Middle East after Israel.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

    WHOOPS !!! :oops: :lol:

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  115. minus (201 comments) says:

    Judith – What white sugar does is increase your insulin levels. All sugars increase your insulin, but some of the natural sugars are slower to release and so lessen the effect by allowing the energy to be used up at a similar rate.

    Reputedly many artificial sweeteners, up to 100 times sweeter than sugar [however the hell they measure that] have the same effect on body insulin. The sweeteners have no calories, or few, themselves, so are assumed “safer’ but their insulin spike is as bad as normal sugars, so prompt the body to store other calories present as fat cells.

    Before any banning goes on, or additional taxing of food stuff, science if it can, should give a bit more useful information, despite the bad name science now has.
    Perhaps John Key’s science advisor and the medical agencies should have some input, if they can agree

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  116. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Judith – the food colouring causes hyperactivity theory – another myth. There’s quite a few of them going around.

    You believe what you want to believe – no matter what anything else says to the contrary.

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  117. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC, listen pie-guts, you need to stop making excuses in order to justify your sugar cravings. I have put the theory into practice. I was not a fatty, but I lost weight and never went hungry.

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  118. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ calendar girl (1,130 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    Well done! I had a similar ‘hero’ who helped me to make the changes I needed to, although not from the medical profession.

    I think my only note would be that some people do not hear, or want to hear the message. Sometimes making those changes are too hard, and to be honest, they expensive if you purchase the prepacked healthy options, and like you say, customary behaviours etc stop many from changing. I guess some rely on the ‘there’s always tomorrow’ scenario. Unfortunately ‘tomorrow’ comes very quickly.

    It’s not easy to make the change – but its not long before the effects are noticeable. Feeling healthy and fit, has to beat struggling to get out of bed each day.

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  119. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Left Right and Centre (2,581 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    You are right, we do believe what we want to believe, but in my case and I note in Calendar Girl’s case – the change to a healthy diet proves that what we believed, made a difference. There were slightly different ways of achieving the results but the basic premise was the same. Perhaps it wouldn’t work for everyone, I have no way of knowing that, but the evidence I’ve seen in others, shows there is certainly more benefits than negatives.

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  120. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Wat – the main point of Taubes is what on earth would he know ?

    I’ll you what goes on Wat. The body sends you a signal when it has something missing on the checklist of nutrition – vitamins and minerals. But it’s a blind signal. It can only ask that you eat something to try and check off whatever is missing. You’d suffer malnutrition if all you had was sugar. Or die. Yeah – you’ll always be hungry if you eat crap that isn’t ticking the boxes off.

    Eating high energy food generally leaves you hungry anyway. The urge is to load up until you can’t load up no more. In the old days that was called ‘feast’ and ‘survival’.

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  121. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    What’s the definition of a healthy diet Judith ? You tell everyone exactly how much of what they should have and why.

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  122. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    I was not a fatty, but I lost weight and never went hungry.

    I’ve lost weight and never gone hungry. Well – sometimes I really went for it to make a huge loss but I didn’t have to – hahahaha

    That’s got nothing to do with sugar mate. There’s no actual sugar in my day to day diet apart from fructose. Sugar or no sugar you can’t have it both ways. You miss out on something. You either miss out on food – or miss out on being in shape. Either way something sucks arse.

    And you are *not* ‘eating whatever you want’. You eat with me fella – I’ll show you what ‘eating whatever you want’ truly is. That’s what I miss. I will never ever give up sugar 100% No way !!

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  123. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LRC, carbs are a form of sugar and so is fructose. By limiting them I noticed a change. I might add that I would massively increase my intake when running. I usually eat a mountain of brown rice with a huge steak the night before a long run in the bush.

    But do not listen to others. Try it and see for yourself, like I did.

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  124. Nostradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    This conspiracy theory goes out to UglyTruth:

    Seventy-one days after Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared, the first book about the disaster will go on sale on Monday with a theory about what might have happened.

    Flight MH370 The Mystery, which is made available by NewSouth Books in Sydney, doesn’t claim to have any answers but to some extent supports the theory that the aircraft may have been accidentally shot down during a joint Thai-US military exercise in the South China Sea. Searchers were then possibly led in the wrong direction to cover up the mistake, it suggests.

    He says this raises the significance that around the time the plane’s transponder went off at 01.21, New Zealander Mike McKay, working on an oil rig in the Gulf of Thailand, saw a burning plane. He links that to the joint Thai-US military exercise going on in the South China Sea with personnel from China, Japan, Indonesia and other countries.

    ”The drill was to involve mock warfare on land, in water and in the air, and would include live-fire exercises,” he writes.

    ”Say a participant accidentally shot down Flight MH370. Such things do happen. No one wants another Lockerbie [Pan Am flight 103 by terrorists in 1988 allegedly in retaliation for a US Navy strike on an Iranian commercial jet six months earlier], so those involved would have every reason to keep quiet about it.”

    He suggests through anonymous and contradictory sources, they might release misinformation, leading people to search in the wrong place in an environment so hostile that it would be unlikely anything would ever be found.

    ”After all, no wreckage has been found in the south Indian Ocean, which in itself is suspicious,” Cawthorne writes.

    ‘Now I’m not saying that’s what happened but if a black box is found, who is to say that it is from Flight MH370? Another black box could have been dropped in the sea 1000 miles from Perth while the search was going on in the South China Sea. In these circumstances, with the amount of disinformation abroad, it is best to be sceptical.”

    Oh dear – that’s one book that I won’t be buying.

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  125. wikiriwhis business (4,019 comments) says:

    Shock at state housing cuts

    I was shocked to read in The Southland Times (May 13) that 579 state houses are being cut from Invercargill over the next 10 years.

    Knowing what has happened in education and conservation I am fairly certain that little qualitative needs analysis has been done to support this decision.

    New Zealand has one of the highest levels of under- employment in the OECD and around 20 per cent of our workforce is either unemployed or under-employed.

    We have a large proportion of families being described as the ”working poor”, who cannot live on their incomes without further support. This paper has reported on the growing number of families in Invercargill that are seeking help (April 22). In this environment the Government decided to heavily cut their stocks of state housing and pass the responsibility of providing low-cost homes to the private sector.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/letters/10041741/Shock-at-state-housing-cuts

    The genuine reality of what’s happening in this country.

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  126. wikiriwhis business (4,019 comments) says:

    “Compassion !!! Thousands died hideous cruel deaths under torture”

    you have to understand this is the Catholic Church which Protestanism broke away from.

    Blame the R C Church, not believers in general. This is why God awokened the eyes of Martin Luther to give the world the reformation. People tend to skip over that huge separist protest movement. Which was hugely spiritual in its context and bought us Whitefield, the Wesleys and the Methodist Great Enlightenment Which bought spiritual freedom to the UK and American colonies.

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  127. wat dabney (3,778 comments) says:

    LR&C,

    the main point of Taubes is what on earth would he know ?

    You mean after years of investigating the evidence and reviewing all the studies, which are cited in the book (and cited far more extensively in the book before that)? Clearly he knows vastly more about the subject than you do.

    The body sends you a signal when it has something missing on the checklist of nutrition – vitamins and minerals. But it’s a blind signal. It can only ask that you eat something to try and check off whatever is missing. You’d suffer malnutrition if all you had was sugar. Or die. Yeah – you’ll always be hungry if you eat crap that isn’t ticking the boxes off. “

    Sorry, but that is complete rubbish. Laughable, new-age, holistic crap in fact.

    Incidentally, the subject of fat not being unhealthy is following on from this posting yesterday:

    Last week it fell to a floundering professor, Jeremy Pearson, from the British Heart Foundation to explain why it still adheres to the nutrition establishment’s anti-saturated fat doctrine when evidence is stacking up to refute it. After examining 72 academic studies involving more than 600,000 participants, the study, funded by the foundation, found that saturated fat consumption was not associated with coronary disease risk. This assessment echoed a review in 2010 that concluded “there is no convincing evidence that saturated fat causes heart disease”…went on to warn that replacing saturated fats with excess carbohydrates – such as white bread, white rice and potatoes – or with refined sugar and salts in processed foods, should be discouraged. Current healthy eating advice is to “base your meals on starchy foods”, so if you have been diligently following that dietetic gospel, then the professor’s advice is troubling…It wasn’t so long ago that we were spoon-fed the unimpeachable “fact” that we should eat no more than two eggs a week because they contained heart-stopping cholesterol, but that gem of nutritional wisdom had to be quietly erased from history when research showing that cholesterol in eggs had almost no effect on blood cholesterol became too glaringly obvious to ignore. The consequences of this egg restriction nostrum were wholly negative: egg producers went out of business and the population missed out on an affordable, natural, nutrient-packed food as it mounded up its breakfast bowl with industrially processed cereals sold in cardboard boxes. But this damage was certainly less grave than that caused by the guidance to abandon saturated fats such as butter, dripping and lard, and choose instead spreads and highly refined liquid oils.

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/23/everything-you-know-about-unhealthy-foods-is-wrong

    But I’m sure you know best, mate.

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  128. wikiriwhis business (4,019 comments) says:

    “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other,…”

    Women/wives are the man’s equal because God made women from the man’s side not his foot.

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  129. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    This conspiracy theory goes out to UglyTruth:

    Be nice, he’ll be inconsolable when he hears the plug is being pulled on HAARP.

    http://www.nature.com/news/us-ionospheric-research-facility-to-close-1.15243

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  130. johnwellingtonwells (137 comments) says:

    wikri
    “I was shocked to read in The Southland Times (May 13) that 579 state houses are being cut from Invercargill over the next 10 years. ……..” But who actually wrote it – the Green candidate! Of course his statements follow the 100% accuracy of the Green Taliban

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  131. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    “What’s the definition of a healthy diet Judith ? You tell everyone exactly how much of what they should have and why.”

    Lentils and Mungbeans! Mmmn Lentils…

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  132. stephieboy (3,167 comments) says:

    Kea, again spreading the usual disinfo about the US sending troops to 35 African countries to invade and occupy .How many actually.?
    7,000 Jews living in Iran.There use to be in fact 86,000 before your Aytollah Komeni took over.What happened to them.?
    I think you ,Manolo etc as well as sending commisreations to the failed Operation Spring march om Washington can perhaps spend tine productively planning a kindred one here for our Spring.
    It would fascinate bystanders as the deluded few march on Parliament in solidarity with the tea party to overthrow the Black ” warmonger”

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  133. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    simple formulas carbohydrate plus acid = sugars. or carbohydrate plus enzymes = sugars..

    Griff spent 12 years doing this in a manufacturing setting. I guess that makes me an expert on the process. I also made some horrendous additives that are in your processed foods. phosphorusoxychloride and Acetic anhydride any one? num num its in the crap that helps stop you average meat pie going soggy.

    What counts is how long it takes to convert. The more complex the input the slower the process the less stress on your insulin system. that is how I have cured dad…. no processed over refined pure white starch or sugar input makes the system work slowly stopping the peaks in blood sugar that cause diabetes type two. A by product has been his blood pressure dropping as well.

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  134. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre (2,584 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Judith – the food colouring causes hyperactivity theory – another myth. There’s quite a few of them going around.

    You believe what you want to believe – no matter what anything else says to the contrary.
    =======================
    Certainly does if the colouring are aziuo based(i.e. petroleum based.) Reds Blues Yellow. Has an effect especially on kids as thier body weight is still low. Sodium Benzoate that was used for preservative in tomato sauce does the same. That’s why it was removed and we went well down the track of removing bad colourings until the floodgates of imports reversed that in the late 80’s early 90’s.
    There is now a change back to removing them.

    If you don’t think it’s true try this. Get a bunch of 4,5,6, year old kids. Feed them on lollies and drinks with artificial colourings. Wait a wee while and see how uncontrollable they can become.

    Then repeat using young teens but with a bit more product. add in some alcopops full of sugar or red bull type product and you will soon understand why people go off their tree’s.
    Now move onto adults who survive on cigarettes and coffee, especially those that fall out of bed and race out the door and buy double shot coffee on the way to work. No breakfast. totally unreasonable workmates.

    Try it and see for yourself.
    Then consider those that tank up on coffee and get behind a wheel. Mad as snakes in fire pit. No wonder they kill and get killed.
    But we only check for alcohol.

    did you know that white wine screws up the recetors in peoples bodies. allowing them to grow fat?
    Lose weight, drink red.

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  135. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    *Baptising an Irishman*

    A Irish man is stumbling through the woods, totally drunk, when he comes
    upon a preacher baptising people in the river.
    He proceeds to walk into the water and subequently bumps into the preacher.

    The preacher turns around and is almost overcome by the smell of alcohol,
    whereupon he asks the drunk,
    Are you ready to find Jesus?’

    The drunk shouts, ‘Yes, oi am.’

    So the preacher grabs him and dunks him in the water.

    He pulls him up and asks the drunk,

    ‘Brother have you found Jesus?’

    The drunk replies, ‘No, oi haven’t found Jesus.’

    The preacher, shocked at the answer, dunks him into the water again for a
    little longer.

    He again pulls him out of the water and asks, ‘Have you found Jesus my
    brother?’

    The drunk again answers, ‘No, oi I haven’t found Jesus.’

    By this time the preacher is at his wits end and dunks the drunk in the
    water again but this time holds him down for about 30 seconds, and when he begins
    kicking his arms and legs he pulls him up.

    The preacher again asks the drunk, ‘For the love of God have you found
    Jesus?’

    The drunk wipes his eyes and catches his breath and says to the preacher,

    ‘Are you sure this is where he fell in?’

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  136. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    naaska was sitting quietly reading his paper when his wife walked up behind him and whacked him on the head with a magazine.

    ‘What was that for?’ he asked.

    ‘That was for the piece of paper in your trouser pocket with the name Laura Lou written on it,’ she replied.

    ‘Two weeks ago when I went to the races, Laura Lou was the name of one of the horses I bet on, I bought you those flowers with the winnings, ‘ he explained.

    ‘Oh darling, I’m sorry,’ she said. ‘I should have known there was a good explanation.’

    Three days later he was watching TV when she walked up and hit him in the head again, this time with a frying pan, which knocked him out cold.
    When he came to, he asked, ‘What was that for?’

    ‘Your horse phoned’

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  137. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    A husband went to the police station to file a “missing person” report for his missing wife:

    Husband :-I lost my wife, she went shopping & hasn’t come back yet.

    Inspector :-What is her height?

    Husband :-I never checked.

    Inspector :-Slim or healthy?.

    Husband :-Not slim, can be healthy.

    Inspector :-Colour of eyes?

    Husband :-Never noticed.

    Inspector :-Colour of hair?

    Husband :-Changes according to season.

    Inspector :-What was she wearing?

    Husband :-Not sure whether it was a dress or a suit.

    Inspector :-Was she driving?

    Husband :-yes.
    Inspector :-colour of the car? . . . . .

    Husband :-black Audi A8 with supercharged 3.0 litre V6 engine generating 333 horse power teamed with an eight-speed tiptronic automatic transmission with manual mode. And it has full LED headlights, which use light emitting diodes for all light functions and has a very thin scratch on the front left door…………………..and then the husband started crying…

    Inspector:-Don’t worry sir,…..We will find your car.

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  138. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    Judith checked into a motel on her 65th birthday and she was a bit lonely. She thought, “I’ll call one of those men you see advertised in phone books for escorts and sensual massages.”

    She looked through the phone book, found a full page ad for a guy calling himself Tender Tony, a very handsome man with assorted physical skills flexing in the photo. He had all the right muscles in all the right places, thick wavy hair, long powerful legs, dazzling smile, six pack abs and she felt quite certain she could bounce a silver dollar off his well-oiled bum.

    She figured, what the heck, nobody will ever know. I’ll give him a call.

    “Good evening, ma’am, how may I help you?

    Oh my, he sounded sooo sexy!

    Afraid she would lose her nerve if she hesitated, she rushed right in.

    “Hi, I hear you give a great massage. I’d like you to come to my motel room and give me one. No, wait, I should be straight with you. I’m in town all alone and what I really want is sex. I want it hot, and I want it now.

    Bring implements, toys, rubber, leather, whips, everything you’ve got in your bag of tricks. We’ll go hot and heavy all night – tie me up, cover me in chocolate syrup and whipped cream, anything and everything, I’m ready!

    Now how does that sound?”

    He said, ” That sounds absolutely fantastic, but you need to press 9 for an outside line.”

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  139. Johnboy (16,659 comments) says:

    Wainui V The Reluctant Pseudo Catholics next week>>>>> Wot fun! :)

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  140. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    With high immigration and lots of building going on methods are changing. No longer Kiwi way.

    https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/cFb0nLCKypg?rel=0

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  141. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    shift working sometimes I used to buy a big bag of lollys.
    A massive sugar intake makes you stay awake just like coffee does …it wears of…. then you crash…..
    I think some of the kids and food coloring thing is actually the sugar intake that is included in that sort of processed crap
    Even tomato sauce is very high in sugars. As to energy drinks have a litre of v and the effect is the same as three or four double shots of jafa..mountain dew and coke are both very high in caffeine as well. The tricks of shift work must have taken a few years of my life not counting the permanent jet lag from fucking with my body clock. it was always a shock when on holiday to feel “normal” after a week or so of a proper sleep rhythm.

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  142. Johnboy (16,659 comments) says:

    She should have rung 04 564 8910 inches V2! :)

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  143. Johnboy (16,659 comments) says:

    How did you fuck with your body clock griff?

    Like which of your bits did you use the big hand on and where did you insert the minute and second hand? :)

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  144. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    A woman was standing at the edge of a cliff trying to get the nerve to jump off.
    A homeless drunk stopped and mumbled,
    “If you’re about to kill yourself, how about a shag before you go?”
    The woman was angry and said,
    “No! Piss off you filthy old bastard.”
    The tramp turned to leave and said,
    “No problems, I’ll just go and wait at the bottom then.”

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  145. Johnboy (16,659 comments) says:

    Too early for dinner then is it Minus? :)

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  146. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    :lol:
    Get up before you go to bed for a week.
    The worst was doing 12 hour shifts from 3 am to 3 pm for holiday cover.
    Do that for a few weeks and you are dazed and confused when you try to have a normal life in your time off.
    The upside was not having the management fuckknukles wanking you around at night . . Helped when the shift boss was Griff. I told my boys do what you like as long as the job is always 100 %. My crew had a easy life yet we out preformed the other two shifts in output and quality.

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  147. Johnboy (16,659 comments) says:

    It’s tough blowing plastic bottles 24/7 griff! :)

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  148. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    ….”it was always a shock when on holiday to feel “normal” after a week or so of a proper sleep rhythm.”….

    Sounds like my drinking days Griff…..each morning I felt for the non drinkers of society.

    When they woke up they knew that was as good as they’d feel all day. :)

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  149. Don the Kiwi (1,763 comments) says:

    A guy from outback Australia walked into the Birdsville police station, and said to the sergeant,
    “Sarge, I wanna report a missing camel.”
    The Sarge said, ” It’s unusual for camels to go missing – did you ride it often?”
    “Oh yeah” says the bloke, ” I liked to ride it around town on a Sunday afternoon – you get sick of riding horses all the time.”
    Sarge says,” Okay, what colour was it – brown or grey?’

    “Aww – I dunno – probably grey.”
    “Okay ,’ says Sarge. “How many humps did it have – one or two?”

    “Shit Sarge, that’s a difficult one – I think it only had one.”
    “Okay ,” says Sarge. “was it male or female?”

    ” Aw, that’s easy,” says the bloke, ” Its a female.”
    ” Now are you sure,” says Sarge. ” You couldn’t tell me its colour, or whether it has one or two humps. How can you be so sure it’s a female.”

    “Aw, that’s easy Sarge. I was riding it through town last Sunday, and I heard someone say, ‘ look at the big cunt on that camel.’ “

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  150. Don the Kiwi (1,763 comments) says:

    No doubt Griffith,

    You did good night shift work, then it all turned to shit when you raised the bong. :-)

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  151. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    These two, short sentences tell you a lot about our government and our culture:

    1. We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.

    And here’s another one worth considering.

    2. Seems we constantly hear about how the New zealand Old Age Pension Plan could run out of money. How come we never hear about welfare running out of money? What’s interesting is the first group “worked for” their money, but the second group didn’t.

    Think about it…..

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  152. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Thanks for checking up on our resident eccentric JB….will Hamilton cope? :)

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  153. Johnboy (16,659 comments) says:

    Temple Mount better prepare for Jihad nasska! :)

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  154. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    Men and sheds. Just leave them be.

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/96I_UrTOZF0

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  155. Johnboy (16,659 comments) says:

    None of those froggie bastards can blow a 2 litre flagon like griff can V2!! :)

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  156. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    the plug is being pulled on HAARP.

    Only one facility of many.

    “Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. ” ~ Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen

    http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674

    http://www.tatoott1009.com/2014/05/16/u-s-air-force-gave-official-notice-the-shutdown-of-haarp-but-really-not-so-fast/

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  157. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    Check out this young lady. Talent, talent.

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  158. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    C’mon Viking- A ‘Reality’ Talent show?? You’re better than that man….

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  159. Johnboy (16,659 comments) says:

    How can you be prettier than Susan Boyle and skinnier than Paul Potts and still sing like that? :)

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  160. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    FFS even v2 has the minus.

    Or a pair of the fuckers the pathetic one seems to be breeding. or maybe nematodes brain just went though Parthenogenesis
    Is it redblather? it would be the great tick wankers style

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  161. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    UglyTruth

    In your 8.58 you quote this beautifully crafted crap….

    “…And live with them in kindness…” Surah 4:19
    “… He has put love and mercy between your (hearts)” Surah 30:21……………

    Why is this then the reality?

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t007q3xiubdazbz/islamomisogyny.jpg

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  162. Fletch (6,410 comments) says:

    Looks like Nigerian villagers getting one back against Boko Haram.

    Hotoro, Nigeria (CNN) — Residents of three villages in northeastern Nigeria took security into their own hands this week, repelling attacks by Boko Haram insurgents and killing more than 200 of them, residents and officials said.

    Hundreds of Boko Haram fighters stormed the villages of Menari, Tsangayari and Garawa in the ethnic Shuwa-dominated Kalabalge District on Tuesday. Boko Haram — the group responsible for the kidnapping of nearly 300 schoolgirls from the same region — was met with stiff resistance as locals put up a fierce fight, witnesses said.

    A month has passed since the girls were kidnapped, and the Nigerian government has been accused of not acting swiftly or efficiently enough to protect villages in the region threatened by Boko Haram.

    In the three villages attacked Tuesday, gunmen arrived in dozens of all-terrain vans, armored tanks and motorcycles, but villagers quickly mobilized and engaged the attackers in a prolonged battle.

    “They attacked Menari and killed around 60 people and burned some homes before proceeding to Tsangayari and Garawa villages,” resident Algoni Ahunna said.
    When news of the attack filtered out, people trooped out from nearby villages carrying arms.

    Locals seized an armored tank, three all-terrain vans and 90 motorcycles from the attackers, residents said.

    “At Tsangayari and Garawa, they met a big surprise as residents engaged them in a fierce battle in which over 200 of the Boko Haram fighters were killed. More than 150 were killed in Tsangayari,” Ahunna said.

    A lawmaker in Borno state’s Parliament confirmed the incident.

    “I received information on the gallant action taken by the people in Kalabalge District in which at least 200 Boko Haram gunmen were killed,” said the lawmaker, who asked not to be named for security reasons.

    A relief worker in the area said he counted more than 100 bodies in Tsangayari alone.

    “I believe the number of the gunmen killed is up to 250,” said the worker, who also asked not to be named for fear of reprisals from Boko Haram.
    It was the second defeat Boko Haram has suffered from locals in the area in over a month.

    Scores of Boko Haram gunmen were killed by villagers in early April in a foiled raid, residents said.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/15/world/africa/nigeria-girls-abducted/

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  163. Johnboy (16,659 comments) says:

    That’s dreadful. If any of those Boko Haram bastards sneaked into Wainui and attempted to steal our schoolgirls we would all shout……. Hoi, Boko Haram, cease and desist from stealing our schoolgirls worthwith…..etc…etc…. ! :)

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  164. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    Published on Jan 3, 2014

    Amira Willighagen winner of Holland”s Got Talent 2013 with all performens on this video. O Mio Babbino Caro, Ave Maria, Nessun Dorma (final) and Nessun Dorma after winning
    2:42 Ave Maria (sem final) 4:57 Nessun Dorma (final) 8:05 Nessun Dorma 0version 2 as winner HGT) 0:00 back to the first song O Mio Babbino Caro

    Program for translation (copy lyrics and open the program, or using a other translating program)
    http://www.bing.com/translator/

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  165. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    It’s much the same story with livestock JB. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j5atymesn5iop4i/Sheep%2025.jpeg

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  166. Johnboy (16,659 comments) says:

    Hard to tell which ewe should be stunned or not before ritual throat cutting from that photo nasska! :)

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  167. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Why is this then the reality?

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t007q3xiubdazbz/islamomisogyny.jpg

    Because Islamic religion is corrupted with man-made rules (i.e. too much reliance on Hadith And Sunnah), with misogny being one of the outcomes. Similar corruption in Christianity is caused by Pauline doctrine, and by the Talmud in Judaism.

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  168. Viking2 (11,490 comments) says:

    In live debate on Maori TV, 8.30pm Monday
    by John Ansell

    Undeterred by my exposé of their one-eyed Titford story (or more likely because they couldn’t get anyone else), Maori TV are flying me to Auckland to participate in a live Native Affairs debate on Monday night at 8.30pm.

    Topics are:

    The Littlewood ‘Treaty’. (I put the word in speech marks, since it’s a draft, not a treaty.)
    New Zealand’s alternate history (ie that people other than Maori were first settlers of New Zealand).
    The level of support for One New Zealand, NZCPR, Celtic NZ, 1LAW4ALL, the Pakeha Party and Treatygate.

    They asked for teams of two from each side. But sadly, as of Friday, no one else from the above groups was prepared to front. (Disappointing, to say the least.)

    http://treatygate.wordpress.com/2014/05/18/in-live-debate-on-maori-tv-8-30pm-monday/

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  169. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    UglyTruth

    So, given that practise has completely parted company with the original teachings, you’d concede that Islam is now a sham run by it’s leaders? As such it fails definition as a religion & shouldn’t be respected as such.

    But maybe that’s not the full story & the original teachings DID sanction domestic violence. After all when sleeping with Aisha Muhammad surreptitiously left his bed and went to the graveyard at Baqi. Aisha spied and followed Muhammad……when Muhammad learned Aisha’s misdeed he hit her (beat her) on her chest that caused much pain to Aisha…[she was only 8 yrs old]

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  170. Lucia Maria (2,468 comments) says:

    I think Ugly must believe that all Judaism, Christianity and Islam would all be pure religions if not for the human followers. So, he’s some sort of anti-materialist that believes fleshly creatures are evil and only spirit is good.

    Am I close, Ugly?

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  171. publicwatchdog (2,622 comments) says:

    See this article in the business section of today’s Sunday Star Times?

    “In the business pages of the Sunday Star-Times today, anti-corruption campaigner Penny Bright points out that New Zealand is one of only a handful of countries NOT to have ratified the UN Convention on Corruption.”

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152427139997889&set=a.482735077888.286059.596362888&type=1&theater

    How come NZ’s Minister of ‘Justice’ Judith Collins has not yet introduced her ‘Organised Crime and Anti-Corruption Legislation Bill’ into the House?

    This ‘Organised Crime and Anti-Corruption Legislation Bill’ needs to be passed before NZ can ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption (UNCAC) .

    Ratification of UNCAC is supposed to have been a priority for the last SIX years.

    Perhaps if Judith Collins had been a bit more competent and focused in her publicly-funded role as Minister of Justice, instead of focusing on helping to organise private business ‘net-working’ and ‘profile-building’ opportunities for Oravida, which is owned by her very close friend ‘Stone’ Shi, and whose managing director is her very close friend Julia Xu, the other director being her HUSBAND David Wong Tung – then NZ would have a domestic anti-corruption legislative framework now in place?

    http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1405/020520141724330001.pdf

    (See pages 83 – 84 for the MFAT briefing on the pre-planned tour/visit of Oravida facilities by the MINISTER of Justice Judith Collins on 23 October 2013, and the photo STILL up on the Oravida website which proves this:
    http://www.oravida.com/lwl/newsen/ )

    The time-frame for the introduction and passage of legislation is normally six months.

    However – it is now 18 May 2014, and the last sitting day of this Parliament is 31 July 2014.

    (I checked with the appropriate Parliamentary staff).

    Minister of ‘Justice’ Judith Collins’ much vaunted ‘Organised Crime and Anti-Corruption Legislation Bill’ has STILL yet to surface in the House …………..

    Why is Judith Collins STILL a Minister – when she is obviously NOT ‘fit for duty’?

    Because NZ PM John Key has been bending over backwards /forwards to also help promote Oravida, thus has difficulties holding her accountable to the ‘highest ethical standards’, when he appears to lack them himself?

    “Oravida’s chairman plays golf with NZ Prime Minister”

    http://www.oravida.com/lwl/newsen/

    There is a LOT more to come on this story …..

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

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  172. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    A penny poop

    anti privatization public watch dog :lol:

    More like anti paying her own way trainee cat lady.

    Pay your rates filthy bludger and stop freeloading of the hardworking Auckland ratepayers.

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  173. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    After a disturbance outside a mosque in Auckland investigations are being made over allegations that it has been infiltrated by Muslim extremist preachers.

    “I believe it is a witch-hunt based on all sorts of false allegations which have been repeated over many weeks,” said leader Mohammed Abdul Alim, skipping past an exploding rucksack on his way to an after prayer stoning.

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  174. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I think Ugly must believe that all Judaism, Christianity and Islam would all be pure religions if not for the human followers.

    You’re closer than you might think. Not all people are humans, the term comes from Cicero’s homo humanus, and was used to distinguish the “civilized” people of Rome from the “barbarians”. A typical human behaviour is to seek protection and guidance from the state, i.e. “submit unto the governing authorities” (Romans 13).

    So, he’s some sort of anti-materialist that believes fleshly creatures are evil and only spirit is good.

    No, try the Anglican articles of religion for that one. The deity of Abraham ate food and had the physical form of a man.

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  175. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ratification of UNCAC is supposed to have been a priority for the last SIX years.

    Ratification of the UNCAC is a seriously bad idea because for a common law country like New Zealand, UN civil doctrine itself is a source of corruption.

    http://www.actsinjunction.info/corruption.html

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  176. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That’s just bullshit Ugly. Do you reject all sources of international law?

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  177. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    V2 gets 3 x minus for that??!!

    There really are some losers in this country and worse, they have a vote.

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  178. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Nobody got talent like Ukraine got talent

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  179. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    So, given that practise has completely parted company with the original teachings, you’d concede that Islam is now a sham run by it’s leaders? As such it fails definition as a religion & shouldn’t be respected as such.

    It hasn’t completely parted company, if people know why something is corrupt then they are in a position to fix it. Any set of beliefs can be a religion, the trick is to know what the source of the beliefs are, the divine vs the the man-made.

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  180. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    So that’s why Putin is invading. Why didn’t he just get her phone number?

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  181. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    I think she said nyet

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  182. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    That would do it.

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  183. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    That’s just bullshit Ugly. Do you reject all sources of international law?

    What I reject is a system that is essentially state-sanctioned terrorism, the idea that sovereignty implies that a state is not accountable for its actions. States are fundamentally territorial systems.

    terror (n.)
    early 15c., “something that intimidates, an object of fear,” from Old French terreur (14c.), from Latin terrorem (nominative terror) “great fear, dread, alarm, panic; object of fear, cause of alarm; terrible news,” from terrere “fill with fear, frighten,” from PIE root *tres- “to tremble” (see terrible).

    territory (n.)
    “Since -torium is a productive suffix only after verbal stems, the rise of terri-torium is unexplained” [Michiel de Vaan, "Etymological Dictionary of Latin and the other Italic Languages"]. An alternative theory, somewhat supported by the vowels of the original Latin word, suggests derivation from terrere “to frighten” (see terrible); thus territorium would mean “a place from which people are warned off.”

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  184. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    ….” the trick is to know what the source of the beliefs are, the divine vs the the man-made.”…..

    I think I can help you out there UT…..all religions are human constructs bullshitting the many & benefiting the few.

    ….”if people know why something is corrupt then they are in a position to fix it”….

    80% of Muslims are illiterate…..their only real sources of information are controlled totally by Islamic political & spiritual leaders. They’ll never find out what it is that desperately needs fixing.

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  185. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Davinci

    ….”V2 gets 3 x minus for that??!!”…..

    I don’t think Baity likes girls OR opera. :)

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  186. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Nasska, humans typically suffer from the vain belief that they are the be-all and end-all of mankind. One reason that not all religious beliefs originate from humans is the presence of prophetic insight and mathematical riddles which defy any mundane explanation.

    I agree that illiteracy is a problem.

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  187. publicwatchdog (2,622 comments) says:

    Calm yourself TIFFith :)

    ( Maybe have a w(h)ine with your whinge? )

    Please be advised that I will NOT pay rates when Auckland Council is NOT implementing the Public Records Act 2005 and telling us where EXACTLY our public monies are being spent on private sector contractors.

    Actually – I work extremely hard – I just don’t get paid for the work I do.

    Of course, a decent, fair-minded person would give a bit of credit where it was due.

    eg: http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1405/020520141724330001.pdf

    That was my OIA request to the Minister of Bribery (oops! Foreign Affairs) Murray McCully, that flushed out this 102 page ‘document dump’ .

    Did I get paid for that work?

    Nope.

    (Did I ask to get paid for that work?

    Nope. )

    Did that help the public get a better understanding of the FACTS and EVIDENCE surrounding NZ Minister of ‘Justice’ Judith Collins visit to China 20 – 23 October 2013?

    Arguably yes.

    You have a lovely night TIFFith – you’ve certainly helped make mine!

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  188. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Do you equate UN conventions with terrorism then, Ugly?

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  189. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Ut has gone back to his origins

    human
    Modern humans (Homo sapiens or Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of the hominin clade, a branch of great apes characterized by erect posture and bipedal locomotion; manual dexterity and increased tool use; and a general trend toward larger, more complex brains and societies.[3][4] Early hominids, such as the australopithecines who had more apelike brains and skulls, are less often thought of or referred to as “human” than hominids of the genus Homo[5] some of whom used fire, occupied much of Eurasia, and gave rise to [6][7] anatomically modern Homo sapiens in Africa about 200,000 years ago where they began to exhibit evidence of behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago and migrated out in successive waves to occupy[8] all but the smallest, driest, and coldest lands; and permanently manned bases in Antarctica, on offshore platforms, and orbiting the Earth.

    humanus
    Etymology
    From homō (“human being”).
    hūmānus m (feminine hūmāna, neuter hūmānum); first/second declension

    human (of man, people)  [quotations ▼]
    humane
    cultured, refined
    (substantive, usually plural) a human, mortal

    Words are not static ugly they change with time
    you try to define them outside of the accepted modern usage and meaning which is not the reality
    IE girl
    [1250–1300; Middle English gurle, girle, gerle child, young person; compare Old English gyrela, gi(e)rela, item of dress, apparel (presumably worn by the young in late Old English period, and hence used as a metonym)]

    so to you girl legally means an item of clothing.

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  190. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Above all: “appellari ceteros homines, esse solos eos, qui essent politi propriis humanitatis artibus” (De re publica I, xvii, 28).[29] “Thus, not all men are humani or demonstrate humanitas. Only in the civilization of the Roman Empire and its social order does humanitas count as an educational value and socio-ethical virtue. Those who live outside the Empire are not yet fully ‘human,’ they are ‘barbarians’.

    http://www.pum.umontreal.ca/revues/surfaces/vol4/birus.html

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  191. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Penny watch this nutter screaming its really funny one of the KB commentators fave vids of all time. enjoy.. I know we do
    http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Hysterical-scenes-during-arrest-of-Occupy-protestor-Penny-Bright/tabid/423/articleID/240742/Default.aspx

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  192. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Griff

    A couple of cattle prods would have sped up the loading a tad. :)

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  193. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    RWOL
    imagine the hysterics.

    from the face book page of the occupy movement.

    https://www.facebook.com/OccupyAuck/posts/528696863823929
    CAUTION: PENNY BRIGHT IN COURT CLAIMING TO REPRESENT OCCUPY AUCKLAND THREE DAYS AFTER SLAMMING US IN THE MEDIA.

    If you look at Vinnie Eastwood’s You Tube Channel (GuerillaMedia) you will see an interview from last Sunday where Penny Bright publicly bashes:

    the Occupy movement,
    the Aotearoa is Not For Sale movement,
    Unite Union,
    Socialist Aotearoa,
    Joe Carolan
    John Minto (amongst others)

    yet then three days later claims to a court to represent us.

    Quite obviously, she does not represent us. As proven by her conduct.

    You may remember Penny Bright & Chris Glen spent nearly the entire 2012 GA’s trying to DISBAND Occupy working groups, full of people who had donated countless time & resources to promote Occupy.

    She has thwarted the cohesion of the movement at every turn. Her continuing similar conduct at other movement planning meetings led to her being expelled from several other movements than Occupy.

    As such we denounce any attempt by her to “represent” the Occupy movement.

    Please read http://occupysavvy.com/2012/09/24/cointelpro-occupy-the-war-within/ for full details. Ctrl-F “Penny Bright” to get to the part about her quickly.

    :lol: Penny Tarnish who even gets rejected by the stinky hippies and the filthy racist minto and scum.

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  194. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Now this is why I think griff is smart :)

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  195. publicwatchdog (2,622 comments) says:

    Ahhhh – the slimy work of Suzette Maree Dawson……

    You might like to check her proven track record working for the public or the public interest?

    (Just try googling Suzette Maree Dawson and see what you come up ……)

    She came from nowhere to Occupy Auckland and played a VERY disruptive role.

    ‘occupy savvy’ is Suzette Maree Dawson’s own PRIVATE website.

    Quite cunning, in my considered opinion – you pretend to be an activist – turn up to protests and take LOTS of photos – but where are those photos going?

    I asked Suzette Maree Dawson that question – to her face – (at the protest against the budget outside Sky City) and she got semi-hysterical (as she does).

    Please be reminded – when it came to Occupy Auckland court proceedings, particularly the Occupy Auckland Appeal, Suzette Maree Dawson was nowhere to be found.

    I was a ‘Named Respondent’ in my own name, and (successfully) defended myself, and together with lawyer Ron Mansfield (who acted for Occupy Auckland) we were successful in getting the injunction under which members of Occupy Auckland were forcibly evicted from Aotea Square – quashed.

    Don’t believe a word I say – check the FACTS and EVIDENCE for yourself:

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/?page_id=62

    Keep regurgitating the phony Suzette Maree Dawson’s defamatory CRAP – it just confirms that I’m on the right track ….

    Off to bed now – will be at the Auckland High Court (with banners) from 9.00am ish tomorrow morning for the first day of the DEFENDANT John Banks’ 10 day hearing for electoral fraud.

    (A rather significant case in which the PHONY Suzette Maree Dawson played no role ……..)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  196. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    wat dabney – I don’t need to try and be Taubes. There’s plenty of qualified people that the lay person can turn towards for their highly considered scientific opinions.

    Taubes is a low-carber apparently. Keep the carbohydrate down to nothing, and eat all the fat and protein you want. It’s a nice idea and I tried it months ago. Until my weight started going up. It’s bollocks.

    Everyone has an energy equation. I’ll bet if you add up what Taubes eats each day the factors would add up according to energy value predictions. You could eat zero carbohydrate and gain weight – easy peasy.

    Oh – ok wat – so – the body doesn’t send the brain signals ? Just holistic nonsense, eh mate ? Fuck off moron. Haven’t you ever wanted to get outside on a nice day ? Vitamin D. Ever wonder why people do things ?

    They say that large animal product intake clogs up the old arteries. I don’t give a shit – I love animal products. But then you fall prey to the energy value rules. Animal products don’t have an energy value of zero – sorry. Otherwise you’d starve to death if that’s all you ate. Therefore – it’s possible to eat enough of them to increase bodyfat.

    I’ll tell you one thing I do know – following the rules I learnt meant dropping about 18kg of flab. That’s what I know best wat. I followed the energy values and dropped 18kg at about a kilo every six days – 1kg over four-five days peak rate of loss.

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  197. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    If you don’t think it’s true try this. Get a bunch of 4,5,6, year old kids. Feed them on lollies and drinks with artificial colourings. Wait a wee while and see how uncontrollable they can become.

    Fucking hell – who’s next ? Um – get a bunch of young ‘childrens’ together and don’t give them anything and see what happens. They go ape shit. Feed their tiny little systems with sugar in other words and see what happens. You don’t have to be a kid to be bursting with energy after a big feed. I’ve run an unplanned next day marathon after loading up with a months worth of ‘wheat biscuits’ the day before. And then I ran 10kms later on in the evening.

    Hey – there’s all kinds of shit added to food. But then it’s usually added to high energy food. Why don’t you try giving kids some blue dyed vegetables and see what happens ?

    I fully subscribe to the mind-altering and mood-altering effects of caffeine and diet in general. It’s one thing that I’ve keenly observed with myself – I really have to watch myself after eating certain things – you turn into a bundle of TNT wanting to explode somewhere. When I ran I sure noticed the difference after eating crap like my own home made biscuits. You’re smoking it no problem – feeling amped (as opposed to eating lightly, flatlining, dragging a limp carcass on a painful 10km death march). I think it’s fair to say that food colouring is the least of their troubles – it’s got to be the overall lifestyle factors – sleep – diet – stress. They could be unreasonable no matter what they do due to their current stage of life development and other psychological factors – their self-esteem, background, upbringing etc (or if they’re just unsaveable unfortunate naturally retarded dumbarse fuckheads).

    No I don’t know about the white wine thing. For me personally it’s no problem. (1) Wine isn’t my thing. (2) I aint got no money for that shit (3) The kj value – the kj value. There’s all kinds of crap out there – some people ‘can’t taste fat’ and so eat more of it etc and put on more weight- it’s bloody endless the reasons and excuses. Oh well – just weigh 150kg. It’s not anyone’s fault eh ?

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  198. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    Up very early L,R&C?
    All that sugar got you too wired?

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  199. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    good old griff – good grieff . . .

    Phew – someone else who asserts sugar more than food colouring. Next: tomato sauce is red sugar eh ? All the energy value comes from sugar the same way that all the land in NZ comes mostly from the two biggest islands.

    With a name like griff and then food manufacturing – put two and two together – worked at fucking Griffins ? That would take the biscuit. That’s one factory I didn’t mind driving to. Or near. Mmmmmm. Satisfactory olfactory factory factor – fact.

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  200. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    Longknives – there’s no sugar in my house. Added by manufacturers to tinned fruit and that’s it. A wee bit in ‘lite yoghurt’ ? Fuck all though. (ok – let’s get sciency – all carbohydrates are forms of sugars – so it’s in fruit and veg – which might explain why I like leaching the sugar from carrots to make carrot juice – not bad).

    In my world mate – I’m not ‘up early’. There is no ‘early’. Or ‘late’. There’s nothing. There’s ‘up’ and ‘sleep’. I count to sixteen hours as a rough guide – so that I don’t leave the house tired and grumpy and wanting to shout at fellow idiots.

    Tea is my drug of choice. One every 10-20 mins keeps me sane – hahahaha

    Don’t tell me you’re up at this time every day ? Ye gods . . . :)

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  201. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Wonder if the obese German felon is on the phone trying to find another dial-a-bride? Maybe Lecher Len will find him a new wife with his ratepayer-funded wage increase . . . makes a real mockery of the left-wing fools that support him.

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  202. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    LRC if you have time….
    you may enjoy this site.

    http://www.badscience.net

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  203. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    If I’ve got time . . . hahahahaha . . . good one griff. I might try and look up the book in the library catalogue (edit: Bad pharma, bad science are there. Are we having pharma yet ?) Nothing like a good book in bed. Not that I have one, but reading the internet in bed on a portable is just not as romantic somehow.

    Thanks griffy – did you miss the part where I wondered if your username is in honour of prior biscuit factory employment ?

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  204. blondewithaniq (24 comments) says:

    @public watchdog.. Have you considered Griffith may actually be affiliated with Suzette Maree Dawson in another guise given has same kind of unhinged hatred I saw her unleash on Chris and you once she was called out, and uses similar vicious attack mode as a defence by claiming victimisation ..
    Do Pete George and DPF really countenance such hideous and unrestrained abuse of just about anyone and excuse it just because they do their duty and look after a sick parent? That to me at least is like excusing Banks’ on his dodgy donations because he did one decent thing to help dogs.

    Actually thought I’d acidentally logged into whalebog for a minute reading some of the rabid responses from one or two on here tonight!

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