General Debate 21 May 2014

May 21st, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    The biggest hypocrisy ive read in a long time.
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/the_campbell_live_dotcom_conspiracy_episode.html#comments

    DPF calling Campbells article a joke yet being a joke himself by wanting us to believe Key met the GCSB four days before this first ever FBI operation in NZ and DOTCOM WASNT MENTIONED ONCE.

    IS DPF EXTREMELY NAIVE, BLINDED BY HIS OWN LOYALTY OR DOES HE THINK WE ARE STUPID?

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  2. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    A determined Danish television reporter turns the tables on a left-wing protester:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/greatest_dane/

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  3. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    It was bewildering to hear “Tojo” Cunliffe once again getting the final word on TVNZ last night, mouthing off how he would be questionning the US president on the use of drones knocking off terrorists, especially ones holding NZ papers. Well “Tojo”, for starters:
    (a) US president, of whatever political persuasion, would not give an arsehole such as you the time of day.
    (b) Who cares about the annihilation of terrorists, and if they hold NZ papers, so what?
    (c) Why become concerned about US drones, when you sanction atrocities committed by Japanese in World War II?
    About time you started acting like a man, forgetting the rainbow room, McCarten, and the terrorist-protecting Manning . . . you are becoming a real loser! If it were not for your mate Little, controlling the media unions, you would be on about 2.5%.
    Most decent thinking people in this country would like to see drones take out many more of these dangerous murderous Muslim terrorists.

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  4. Grant (428 comments) says:

    Well Martin, what are you going to do about it? Create a hashtag maybe?
    G

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  5. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    martinh: Would you be in line for a trip to the rainbow room?

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  6. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Grant whats a hashtag mean?
    igm whats the rainbow room- is this something to do with Zippy and George, is DPF Zippy?

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  7. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    I watched Campbell and was unimpressed by his attempts to be the Woodward and Bernstein of Aotearoa ,formerly New Zealand.

    What encouraged me about the leftist smear attempt was that this government is finally doing something to correct the mistakes of the looney feminist Labour past and improve our ties with our traditional allies and the countries we share our closest interests with, Amen.

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  8. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Kowtow, Grant IGM
    Answer this yes or no
    Do you believe Key met the GCSB four days before this first ever FBI GCSB operation in NZ and DOTCOM WASNT MENTIONED ONCE?

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  9. wreck1080 (3,815 comments) says:

    Has the speaker of the house never heard of Jimmy Saville? What planet does he live on?

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  10. Grant (428 comments) says:

    Martin, hashtags are what some people create when they’re really really worked up about something.
    For example; #Bringbackourgirls. It’s a nice way of showing concern without actually risking anything, (or achieving anything for that matter), and it’s so easy.
    You could promote stuff like #DPFisaliar, or, #Johnkeytellsfibs, or whatever you think will “create awareness” of your pet issue.

    Or you could abuse people I suppose for not sharing your concern….
    G

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  11. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    Shane Jones will deliver his valedictory to Parliament this afternoon. He made an interesting comment on Breakfast this morning, lamenting David Shearer’s removal from the role of Labour leader. He reckoned that the public would have warmed to Shearer the more they got to know him.

    Given the role that David Cunliffe played in white-anting David Shearer, here’s hoping that Jones, who promised that his speech would have “personality” fires a few parting shots at Cunliffe as he makes his final statement as an MP.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/shanes-last-day.html

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  12. lilman (932 comments) says:

    Martin- your stupid, period!!!!!

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  13. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    No Grant thanks for that. Also im not calling him DPF a liar.
    What was your answer to my question?

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  14. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Lilman,
    ok but can you tell me why and maybe i will agree?

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  15. Grant (428 comments) says:

    FYI Martin, I expect they did talk about him at the meeting, but I don’t expect the PM to compromise his position by providing information to screaming lefties who are not really interested in the subject at hand, but are rather focused on political point scoring.
    Sometimes it’s called realpolitik, and it’s what happens in the real world Martin, which appears to be a different world to the one you inhabit.
    G

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  16. Simon (717 comments) says:

    Poor Martin got exactly what he wanted an all powerful busy body state attempting to run every aspect of people’s lives.

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  17. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Grant.
    So you thus accept the PM is lying to the public.
    The PM himself said not long ago on TV that once the public considers you have lied to them you are over.
    I agree you cant have anyone as a PM you dont believe.

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  18. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Simon
    Poor Martin just doesnt want to be lied too by the people who make the rules i have to live by.
    Do you not care about that?

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  19. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    DPF can you please answer this for the benefit of your readers

    Do you believe Key met the GCSB four days before this first ever FBI GCSB operation in NZ and DOTCOM WASNT MENTIONED ONCE?

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  20. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Oh no dairy auction prices down again- Are we doing an Aussie?

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  21. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    Martin, hashtags are what some people create when they’re really really worked up about something.

    One could say the same thing about posting on blogs

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  22. flipper (3,847 comments) says:

    Apropos jerk off Campbell….

    Did not see the proigramme, and will not waste time looking for it on TV3′s site….

    But are we sure that it was not “tounge in cheek” stuff ??????

    The narrative provided by DPF suggested that it was written by a nine year old, with no understanding of how the real world functions.

    And … Martin H….. please don’t make yourself look silly by joining the CT mob.

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  23. Paulus (2,565 comments) says:

    Does Cunliffe really think that if he was Prime Minister of New Zealand that O’bama will even acknowledge him let alone talk confidentially with him.
    Cunners – Stop Dreaming. Learn to play golf well first – Oh sorry, I forgot you have single figure handicap (besides your colleagues).

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  24. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    Yeah, so Key probably lied about knowing who Dotcon was.

    So what’s the big deal? Everyone lies occasionally in my experience and in this case I think Key lying about knowing who Dotcon was was merely a piece of trivial one-upmanship.

    Key’s detractors will have fun trying to prove he lied though.

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  25. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    Do you believe Key met the GCSB four days before this first ever FBI GCSB operation in NZ and DOTCOM WASNT MENTIONED ONCE?

    That does sound bad, although it’s probably not as simple as that. Typing in capitals doesn’t help. Makes you look like a nutbar.

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  26. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Flipper
    whats ct mob?
    DPF didnt pick up the main point of it thats why im asking this question i wrote at the beginning, so there is some balance in it.
    You could watch it online and judge for yourself and then answer my question.
    Id be interested in your response as no one else has being able to answer it

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  27. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Itstricky
    Sorry, i nudged the capital letter button and thought i better post it instead of fixing it, will not repeat that again as i concur

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  28. flipper (3,847 comments) says:

    martinh (1,017 comments) says:

    May 21st, 2014 at 8:41 am

    Flipper
    whats ct mob?
    ***

    Ever heard of conspiracy theorists?

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  29. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    Yesterday a patsy Winston Peters Q & A

    And what Peters avoided – Peters selective facing questions

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  30. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Scott Chris
    So you obviously dont mind being lied too
    What do you think about DPF not picking up on the main point of the story?
    I myself a disappointed as i like accurate assessments not partisan interpretations

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  31. Simon (717 comments) says:

    Poor Martin loves CCTV cameras, tax and regulation on everything mandatory instructions on how to live. Every breathing moment the State lies but thats ok for Martin. Or are you claiming to be a libertarian. Lol. You got what you really wanted.

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  32. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    Has the speaker of the house never heard of Jimmy Saville? What planet does he live on?

    Yes I agree. Speaker Carter is frighteningly out of touch.

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  33. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    The narrative provided by DPF suggested that it was written by a nine year old, with no understanding of how the real world functions.

    Which is what he does to anything he doesn’t agree with. Fairly typical human response/literary/debating effect. Trivialise and reframe to make it sound stupid. Just our modern world, I guess, we need instant yes/no agree/disagree answers for everything and we need it now

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  34. lilman (932 comments) says:

    OK I WILL TRY MARTIN.

    1, John Campbell

    2.The fact that you watch it tells me you are not to bright.

    3. The fact you would admit publically you watch it.

    4.The fact that you would quote anything from that programme.

    5.The fact that joining the dots by John Campbell, in his head is a problem as he only has one dot.

    6.The fact that John Campbell is a credible news source,ie-Stolen War Medals.

    7.The fact that you asked someone to tell you why your stupid.

    8>The fact that you will read all of the above and think”Im not stupid”

    Hope this helps.

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  35. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Simon
    No i just dont want to be lied to by the PM, my life and my kids lives are greatly influenced by what goes on in govt as yours a are too and a liar isnt allowed to hold that position of trust. Key said so himself

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  36. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    So you obviously dont mind being lied too

    Not when I know it’s mere gamesmanship. I’m more concerned with actions themselves rather than the age old propensity for humans to lie about them.

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  37. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    Martinh
    I haven’t been following this – mainly cause I really don’t care, but can you provide a link where John Key denies talking about Dot con in the time frame mentioned?

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  38. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Most decent thinking people in this country would like to see drones take out many more of these dangerous murderous Muslim terrorists.

    Would they also look the other way when the drone operators murder innocent people as collateral damage?

    Terrorists who claim to be Muslims are hypocrites, and radicalization of Muslims can be traced back to people like Graham Fuller and Fethulah Gulen.

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  39. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Lilman
    Thanks for your effort
    I particularly like this one on your list
    2.The fact that you watch it tells me you are not to bright. (Should be too)

    followed closely by this one
    7.The fact that you asked someone to tell you why your stupid. (should be you are not your)

    Also you dont answer my simple question, so please do that:

    Do you believe Key met the GCSB four days before this first ever FBI GCSB operation in NZ and Dotcom wasnt mentioned once?

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  40. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    Contrasting takes on Campbell Live on posts and comments:

    Martyn Bradbury at The Daily Blog: Campbell Live Review: Extraordinary new GCSB revelations

    What’s the difference between John Key and a Predator Drone? Trick question, there is no difference, both are controlled by Washington. Last nights astonishing revelations on Campbell Live prove how true that joke really is.

    This country owe John Campbell and the Campbell Live team a standing ovation for the courage they have shown in pursuing this story. This is true journalism at its finest, not the National Party broadcast that is Seven Sharp. John and Campbell Live are revealing the true story of Power that John Key is desperate to hide.

    There was once a time NZ would stand as one in disgust at this spineless subservience to America, we need to remind ourselves that we are not Obama’s South Pacific golf caddy and need that reminder this election.

    Karol at The Standard: Campbell Live: Fletcher, Key, Clapper et al

    Campbell Live is in the middle of showing a special on the GCSB. It is presenting information never before made public. It includes the US head of intelligence coming to NZ just before Key set up Ian Fletcher for the head of GCSB job.

    Campbell is showing has shown how there was a major shift going on in NZ and 5 Eyes’ approach to intelligence.

    3 News obviously think it’s pretty important.

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  41. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    martinh

    I don’t give a flying fuck about who, where or when, what or how the PM met.

    He’s got a job to do,unlike yourself,and he’s getting on with our old allies,of which I heartily approve.

    You are a troll (like kea) That is the last direct address you’ll get from me.

    Now go and buy some more tin foil and don’t forget your medicines.

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  42. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    All on Red
    Key denies knowing about Dotcom until one day before the raid,
    sorry cant look it up right now, am on the move but its widely reported that.

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  43. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    I myself a disappointed as i like accurate assessments not partisan interpretations

    Farrar is unashamedly partisan but is also very smart and has some useful insights. Just read between the lines.

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  44. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    martinh corrects lilman’s spelling but himself leaves out the apostrophe in “don’t” ………oh dear.

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  45. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Kowtow
    Ok enjoy your life being lied too, seems you only care about people agreeing with you not the truth, i wouldnt want a direct answer from someone who doesnt care about being lied too.
    Good day to you

    Ps im not fussed about spelling but i do find it ironic when someone accuses me of being stupid but makes basic mistakes and also doesnt answer the question.

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  46. lilman (932 comments) says:

    Told you Martin.

    Your stupid.

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  47. Colville (2,191 comments) says:

    There really should be a rule to stop nutbars posing crap a dozen times in under an hour.

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  48. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ kowtow (6,917 comments) says:
    May 21st, 2014 at 8:54 am

    Yes, he is here to do a job, and that is to represent the people of New Zealand, regardless of race, sex, class. age or creed.

    He is not there to represent the interests of any one group over another and at all times must take the principles that guide this nation into account – especially the right to freedom. He is not there to promote or advance the interests of any other nation unless that is what the people of New Zealand want him to do.

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  49. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    Martinh
    Ok, well I believe Key. Why should he know. Why should Key even care. Dot con is just not that important. He wants to be, being the massive narcissist he is, but alas he isn’t. He’ll be gone soon anyway.

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  50. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    please don’t make yourself look silly by joining the CT mob.

    .. because everybody knows that politicians are way to virtuous to ever be involved in conspiracy…

    The US has a history of political interference, it is part of their doctrine of full spectrum dominance.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/full-spectrum-dominance-totalitarian-democracy-in-the-new-world-order/14046

    Engdahl’s newest book is reviewed below. Titled “Full Strectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order,” it discusses America’s grand strategy, first revealed in the 1998 US Space Command document – Vision for 2020. Later released in 2000 as DOD Joint Vision 2020, it called for “full spectrum dominance” over all land, surface and sub-surface sea, air, space, electromagnetic spectrum and information systems with enough overwhelming power to fight and win global wars against any adversary, including with nuclear weapons preemptively.

    Other means as well, including propaganda, NGOs and Color Revolutions for regime change, expanding NATO eastward, and “a vast array of psychological and economic warfare techniques” as part of a “Revolution in Military Affairs” discussed below.

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  51. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Colville (1,835 comments) says:
    May 21st, 2014 at 8:59 am

    So you oppose the right to freedom of speech then? Or do you just believe that your opinion, and those that think like you are the only people that are entitled to voice them? Do have any idea how those sorts of beliefs have affected the history of humankind?

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  52. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    True Scott C
    he also gets lent on once in a while to present certain views.
    Just read between the lines.
    I do believe this is normal in all politics ….

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  53. Elaycee (4,333 comments) says:

    @Colville (8.59am): Yes, please!

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  54. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    Why should Key even care

    Because he accepts remuneration for a position that charges him with the task of caring.

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  55. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    igm

    Re Tojo Cunliffe.

    It’s all well and good to gob off about Aotearoans being blasted in Yemen etc by foreigners such as the Yanks……..

    …….but every week hundreds of New Zealanders are being massacred in New Zealand hospitals by New Zealanders and it’s all paid for by New Zealand tax payers.It’s called abortion.

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  56. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    All on Red
    So you think that the GCSB was involved with the first ever FBI raid in NZ that was to happen in a few days time and it wasnt brought up. Ok fair enough thats your opinion i respect that

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  57. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ lilman (738 comments) says:
    May 21st, 2014 at 8:59 am

    “Your stupid ….. (what)?”

    Can I suggest that when you call someone stupid, you make sure you do it in a manner that is perfect, otherwise people might thing YOU’RE stupid. If nothing else, it really takes the punch out of your insult.

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  58. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    Seriously, you expect the Prime Minister to be some all knowing omniscient being?
    I get it Judith. You don’t like Key- that much is clear.

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  59. Yvette (2,745 comments) says:

    http://www.independent.co.uk classy headlines

    Rio 2016 Olympics: Sailors warned over sewage-infested waters, dog carcasses and even ‘human corpses’ in Guanabara Bay

    Jeremy Paxman asks Silvio Berlusconi: ‘Is it true you called Angela Merkel an ‘unf**kable lard-a**e’?’

    [However, the Independent, no points for asterisks. Same with people who write G*D. Do they believe all-wise God doesn't fucking know what you mean?]

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  60. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    Martinh
    I thought it was a NZ Police raid because the FBI wanted to gather information. Police raids go on most days, and besides, aren’t Ministers supposed to stay out of Police operational matters?
    It’s easier to tell the truth if you don’t actually know something, when you say you don’t know something.

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  61. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Because he accepts remuneration for a position that charges him with the task of caring.

    Because acting in a way that betrays the trust of the body politic could be interpreted as an act of treason.

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  62. Colville (2,191 comments) says:

    Judith @ 9.03.

    Nutbar can post whatever he likes as far as I am concerned I would just far rather he was limited to , say, once every 10 minutes so he has to concentrate his splatter into larger less frequent outpourings so that the vomit is easier for me to sidestep.

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  63. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    kowtow: They are not Kiwis (don’t know what language you are trying to use), they renounced that privilege joining the murderous scum know as terrorists . . . they get what they deserve.

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  64. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Same with people who write G*D. Do they believe all-wise God doesn’t fucking know what you mean?

    Writing it without vowels is a subtle reference to to the Hebrew word GD

    But ye are they that forsake YHWH, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for GD, and that furnish the drink offering unto MNY.
    Isaiah 65:11

    GD = a semitic deity of fortune.
    MNY = a deity of fate.

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  65. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    All on red
    THe GCSB was assisting the police, it was a combined operation
    That was shown in court when that police man was interviewed

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  66. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Paulus (2,368 comments) says:
    May 21st, 2014 at 8:37 am

    Do you seriously believe that Obama only sees Key because he is SO nice?

    Key is important to Obama only because he is an ally and provides another name to the list of countries prepared to stand by the States. His relationship with Key has developed simply because at this particular stage in USA’s fight for supremacy over their enemies, they need New Zealand’s cooperation – it wouldn’t matter who the PM was, they would still be subjected to that same level of ‘caring’.

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  67. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    otherwise people might thing YOU’RE stupid.

    The horse has well and truly bolted on that one, Judith.

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  68. fernglas (121 comments) says:

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Key didn’t learn about the Dotcom raid until the last minute. Just because the fat one seems to have made his way into the NZ psyche now doesn’t mean that he was actually terribly important at that time, i.e. prior to the raids. The Police don’t normally brief the P.M. on every raid they conduct, nor would the GCSB on every bit of surveillance they are carrying out. Dotcom had no real political significance, nor any social significance ( compared to, say, the Urewera raids)

    Annette King claimed the Government had no knowledge of the Urewera raids until the night before they happened, and it would have been obvious to Police that there would be huge political fallout from those because they touched on highly contentious social issues such as Tino Rangatiratanga for Te Urewera, the arrest of noisy social activists and the prospect of terrorism charges.

    If the Police didn’t tell the PM about Dotcom, it says more about what a relatively insignificant person Dotcom was considered to be. Of course, in Dotcom’s alternative universe, he is unable to accept that he is not the man. The almost fawning adulation he has received here since the raids has done nothing to give him a reality check. Perhaps that will only occur when he gets to a country where rich fat criminals are a dime a dozen. Roll on the extradition.

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  69. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    igm

    “Aotearoan” is sarcasm. Sadly too many New Zealanders go along with Aotearoism.

    ‘Gobbing off ” refers to Tojo siding with terrorists, not your good self.

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  70. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Colville (1,836 comments) says:
    May 21st, 2014 at 9:14 am

    I don’t mind opposing views but have a short temper when it comes to inane insults. People post lots of times when they are passionate about something – this world needs more passion!! :-)

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  71. Ryan Sproull (7,060 comments) says:

    [However, the Independent, no points for asterisks. Same with people who write G*D. Do they believe all-wise God doesn't fucking know what you mean?]

    This is a Judaic tradition showing respect for God via His name. Similar to Islamic traditions of never depicting God visually. Or Christian tradition of capitalising the H in “His”, “He” and “Him”.

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  72. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The Police don’t normally brief the P.M. on every raid they conduct, nor would the GCSB on every bit of surveillance they are carrying out.

    The police don’t normally conduct raids in conjunction with the FBI, and political appointments are not usually related to US defence policy.

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  73. Ed Snack (1,801 comments) says:

    I think Key gets to see Obama because no one else can be bothered with Obama. At least Key understands Obama’s real interest, golf.

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  74. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    “Do you seriously believe that Obama only sees Key because he is SO nice?”

    Judith, I have to say there probably is some truth to that. Obama is noted for refusing to have golf games with Political colleagues. He just doesn’t do it, quite unlike most who use golf for business. He’s been chastised for it as some see it as a great opportunity for him to bond with some of his detractors.
    Like it or not but Key really is respected and liked by quite a number of world leaders. We are such a little and insignificant country yet Key has spent far more time with Obama and the Chinese leaders than almost any other leader in the world.
    I don’t think that’s really because NZ is soooo powerful.

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  75. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    Dom Post doing an online Do you support US ship visits?

    I certainly do ,nuclear or otherwise.

    We need to rid this country of Labour’s poisonous legacy towards our old allies.

    It’s ridiculous and hypocritical that Chinese Communist ships visit,and we them. They are the greatest threat to peace in this region and are the worst offender in terms of basic rights domestically.

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  76. Scott (1,736 comments) says:

    More from the religion of peace-

    ‘She’s in shackles’: Devastated American husband describes seeing his pregnant wife on death row with their toddler in Sudan for marrying a Christian

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2633074/American-rushes-Sudan-prevent-pregnant-wife-hanged.html

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  77. kowtow (7,955 comments) says:

    Jehovah

    here you go

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  78. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    This is a Judaic tradition showing respect for God via His name.

    Nope. The name of the Creator is sometimes represented as haShem (Hebrew for “the name”), or Adonai. “God” is not a Hebrew word and is not a Hebrew name for anything at all.

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  79. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    David Fisher, journalist and author of a book on Dotcom, reported on court yesterday:

    In questioning over Mr Dotcom’s sumptuous 2010 New Year’s Eve fireworks display, Mr Dotcom offered without prompting the claim that Banks had told the PM of the display. “He wanted him to come and watch it,” he said. “Is that what you call a nuke?” asked Mr Jones.

    The Eviscerated replied: “That was one of those things. There are others.”

    Banks smiled as he left the court.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11258523

    The obvious implication is that Banks identified Dotcom to Key, not sure why Banks would smile in relation to that.

    However it’s quite possible Banks invited Key to the fireworks without revealing who the donor was. There was in fact two fireworks displays. And Dotcom was also known as Schmizt then.

    Auckland saw one of the awesome fireworks display when this time fireworks were simultaneously launched from Skycity Tower and Auckland Harbour. Master pyrotechnician Martin van Tiel set up the Sky Tower display as well as one which operated from two barges in the Waitemata Harbour. Thanks to jet-setting German businessman with a chequered past of computer hacking and insider trading laid on a spectacular New Year’s fireworks display for Aucklanders. Kim Schmitz, who calls himself Kim Dotcom,

    Plenty of attempted fireworks from journalists nut more fizzers than big bangers.

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  80. fernglas (121 comments) says:

    Ugly, all extradition arrests are carried out at the request of foreign agencies, the FBI is but one of them. Likewise, the enforcement of overseas restraining orders such as were used to seize Dotcom’s assets is always through a Government to Government request, but these are not matters with which the executive are involved. Just because something is done through a government agency doesn’t mean that it’s a political decision. The separation of powers between the judiciary and the government, and the well-recognised convention that politicians are not involved with policing decisions are just two examples.

    These types of operations happen, not all the time, but they are not exceptional. That is why I very much doubt that Key would have been told. It’s fun to think there is a great big conspiracy going on out there, but the reality is most pollies and cops haven’t the time or energy to be bothered interfering in each others business.

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  81. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It’s ridiculous and hypocritical that Chinese Communist ships visit,and we them. They are the greatest threat to peace in this region and are the worst offender in terms of basic rights domestically.

    Bullshit. The Chinese communists are not supporting terrorist operations in other countries or murdering innocent people with drones.

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  82. Yvette (2,745 comments) says:

    OK. So G-D is a Jewish thing allowing them to erase or dispose of the writing without showing disrespect to God, and others observe the custom of substituting the word “God” with G-d in English, based on the traditional practice in Jewish law, to gove God’s Hebrew name a high degree of respect and reverence. Likewise, G!D. Despite the Ugly Truth it may be otherwise.

    I am old but can still learn something new.
    But now explain the fucking hypocrisy of writing “f**ked” or variations of it.

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  83. Yvette (2,745 comments) says:

    Yvette knows how to embed a video? No I just typed in the link to the YouTube item, and up it pops. Interesting.
    I am old but can still learn something new – even by accident

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  84. Ryan Sproull (7,060 comments) says:

    Nope. The name of the Creator is sometimes represented as haShem (Hebrew for “the name”), or Adonai. “God” is not a Hebrew word and is not a Hebrew name for anything at all.

    Yes, I was referring to English-speaking Judaists, UglyTruth.

    And many English-speaking Judaists type “G-d” while writing in English as a sign of respect for God in English via His name (or word referring to Him) in the English language, as I said.

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  85. Ryan Sproull (7,060 comments) says:

    But now explain the fucking hypocrisy of writing “f**ked” or variations of it.

    Oh, that one’s just idiocy.

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  86. lilman (932 comments) says:

    Judith- good score.

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  87. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ugly, all extradition arrests are carried out at the request of foreign agencies, the FBI is but one of them.

    This extradition arrest was different because of the recent political appointment of Fletcher by Key and Fletcher taking time off from his Queensland job in the days leading up to the commencement of the Dotcom raid.

    Here’s the relevant part of the timeline from the Standard:

    12 December 2011: PM recorded his regular video journal in Parliament office. New cabinet had been sworn in. Fletcher had been expected to attend a major meeting in Aussie on this day, but sent an apology. From 12-16 December Fletcher took recreation leave from his Queensland employer. Fletcher was in NZ that week, using NZ government funding for the trip.

    Key also met with the GCSB on 12 December.

    14 December 2011: Grant Wormald, police officer in charge of Dotcom case, met with GCSB.

    16 December 2011: GCSB’s “illegal surveillance” of Kim Dotcom began.

    12-16 December: Fletcher met Key, Simon Murdoch (Acting GCSB Chief), Hugh Wolfenson (oversaw spying on Kim Dotcom)

    The separation of powers between the judiciary and the government, and the well-recognised convention that politicians are not involved with policing decisions are just two examples.

    The separation of powers is a convenient fiction, since the agents of the executive, the judiciary, and the legislature all swear (or affirm) allegiance to the head of state, and in NZ the executive and the legislature are comprised of the same people.

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  88. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    More from the religion of peace

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2633074/American-rushes-Sudan-prevent-pregnant-wife-hanged.html

    Calling her a Muslim from birth has nothing to do with either truth or peace. Many people who call themselves Muslims observe a corrupt and politicized religion, just as for Christianity and Judaism.

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  89. lilman (932 comments) says:

    Ugly and Martin on the same page.

    That show me that the Flat Earth society has a strong and dynamic membership.

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  90. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Another warmist’s forked tongue. Griff will be delighted.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/kerry-if-were-wrong-climate-change-whats-worst-can-happen_793392.html

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  91. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    An excellent article from Lindsay Mitchell on smoking and deprivation. What will the dogooders say?
    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/smoking-relationship-between-smoking.html

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  92. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    Told you Martin.

    Your stupid.

    Has to be the funniest post of the day. When abusing someone for lacking intelligence be 300% sure you’ve got your basic English grammar spot on.

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  93. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    Well, looks awfully like Banks is stuffed. Even his body language shows it. Karma for the crap he has dished out over the years.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/headlines.cfm?c_id=1

    No doubt he will try to wriggle out but clear he knew what was happening and that he directed the attempt to manipulate the donations to hide them.

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  94. Fletch (6,151 comments) says:

    (Not so) happy, if you’re Muslim.

    Iranian authorities arrested on Monday at least six people who starred in a viral YouTube video that shows them dancing to Pharrell Williams’ “Happy,” according to multiple reports.

    In the video, three men and three women without hijabs are seen dancing to the hit song in an apartment and on a Tehran building rooftop. It went viral in the past few weeks, attracting nearly 200,000 views on YouTube, according to a Facebook post published by the video’s art director, Reihane Taravati. No official explanation has been given for the arrests yet, though some believe the content runs afoul of Iranian law.

    Negar Mortazavi, an Iranian freelance journalist based in Washington, D.C., told Mashable that she wasn’t surprised the six people were arrested. When Mortazavi first saw the video, she thought it was dangerous to upload it online, considering its content. “Not wearing hijabs and dancing, boys and girls together — that’s three big red flags,” she said.

    http://mashable.com/2014/05/20/iran-arrests-viral-happy-video/

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  95. Don the Kiwi (1,650 comments) says:

    Fletch.

    And these are comparatively, moderate muslims.

    David Farrar would welcome them. ;-)

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  96. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    No, the regime in Iran is a conservative one.

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  97. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    I’d better not hit ‘like’ on that Facebook page I am reading!
    John Minto reckons the Yanks are watching me…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11222413

    Idiot.

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  98. lilman (932 comments) says:

    lol, My spell check hasn’t been used in about 4 months,not bad effort for one who left school at 15.

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  99. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    That Logie thing from Greens would be better suited to haunting houses, or lead in a horror show; sure as hell is not on a full tank of gas. No wonder it went on about English child production, Logie would have hell of a job finding a sire. Envy once again by the left.

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  100. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    It’s A Land Supply Issue :roll:

    The most expensive housing market in North America is not where you’d think. It’s not New York City or Orange County, California, but Vancouver, British Columbia. Now, Vancouver is a beautiful city—a thriving deep-water port, a popular site for TV and movie shoots. By all accounts, it is a wonderful place to live. But nothing about its economy explains why—in a city where the median income is only around seventy grand—single-family houses now sell for close to a million dollars apiece and ordinary condos go for five or six hundred thousand dollars. “If you look at per-capita incomes, we look like Reno or Nashville,” Andy Yan, an urban planner at the Vancouver-based firm Bing Thom Architects, told me. “But our housing prices easily compete with San Francisco’s.”
    When price-to-income or price-to-rent ratios get out of whack, it’s often a sign of a housing bubble. But the story in Vancouver is more interesting. Almost by chance, the city has found itself at the heart of one of the biggest trends of the past two decades—the rise of a truly global market in real estate.
    //
    The globalization of real estate upends some of our basic assumptions about housing prices. We expect them to reflect local fundamentals—above all, how much people earn. In a truly global market, that may not be the case. If there are enough rich people in China who want property in Vancouver, prices can float out of reach of the people who actually live and work there. So just because prices look out of whack doesn’t necessarily mean there’s a bubble. Instead, wealthy foreigners are rationally overpaying, in order to protect themselves against risk at home. And the possibility of losing a little money if prices subside won’t deter them. Yan says, “If the choice is between losing ten to twenty per cent in Vancouver versus potentially losing a hundred per cent in Beijing or Tehran, then people are still going to be buying in Vancouver.”

    The challenge for Vancouver and cities like it is that foreign investment isn’t an unalloyed good. It’s great for existing homeowners, who see the value of their homes rise, and for the city’s tax revenues. But it also makes owning a home impossible for much of the city’s population. And the tendency of foreign buyers not to inhabit investment properties raises the spectre of what Yan has called “zombie neighborhoods.” A recent study he did found that a quarter of the condos in a luxury neighborhood called Coal Harbour were vacant on census day.

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2014/05/26/140526ta_talk_surowiecki

    and who continuously defends the status quo? Nact / UF

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  101. OneTrack (2,834 comments) says:

    Judith – “, they need New Zealand’s cooperation – it wouldn’t matter who the PM was, they would still be subjected to that same level of ‘caring’.”

    Yep, I am sure Obama will be eager to have many golf games with Cunliffe, while Cunners tells him he shouldn’t be mean and should stop using drones, etc. ………

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  102. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    lol, My spell check hasn’t been used in about 4 months,not bad effort for one who left school at 15.

    Leaving school at 15 has different shades of meaning, assumption and stigma depending on if the person is a member of generation A, B or C. For older members of current Gen C – most finished their education around 15 – therefore no stigma.

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  103. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    After criticism of not taking it seriously enough and being scared to act, British police today made an arrest after conducting an investigation into Muslim grooming gangs.

    A ten year old girl has been charged with saying, “get off me you fucking Muzzie” in front of sixty witnesses.

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  104. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    nazareth – what exactly happened to the kea ? You’ll know.

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  105. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    You never learned how to imbed me Yvette!

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  106. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    Haven’t a clue LR&C. He was skating on fairly thin ice & was only 20 demerits short of a ban so it wouldn’t have taken much.

    Still, I went through every comment he made for three days & I couldn’t find a note from DPF. Someone will be able to tell us.

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  107. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Judith @9:09am – I think my attitude to commenter typos is softening over time. Is it a sign that the commenter is stupid, or are they simply time poor and crack out the comments without wanting to check them endlessly ? I’ve noticed with my own comments that typing is inaccurate, editing and correcting is an endless black hole of effort – and I can well imagine those who knowingly sacrifice accuracy for output or otherwise have their reasons for sloppy shoddy work unrelated to intellectual ability.

    I mean – I assume that most commenters appreciate the your / you’re distinction. Far be it from me to understand – but they are comfortable conveying their thoughts without the requisite additional taxing effort of grammatical perfection.

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  108. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    Perhaps he pecked a wiperblade off the Roller of a recent emigree from Moscow and got hit by a Polonium 210 number4 shot as he wheeled into as he wheeled into the sky? :)

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  109. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    I bought a large new bed for Yvette nasska and em in it.

    Can’t understand what went wrong there?

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  110. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Four months – holy shit. If he lives another 33 years – 1% of remaining lifespan.

    I’m being punished by his ban too – thanks kea. Well done mate.

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  111. stigie (1,005 comments) says:

    How big is big Johnboy ? Yvette may not be that impressed !~

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  112. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    DPF can be sensitive to dispersion towards the Jewish community. Did kea get a little excessive with anti Jewish trolling ?

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  113. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    -50 for that rant griff!!!!

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  114. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    3/5/14 I think. Can’t remember what thread.

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  115. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    Everything I wish to share with Yvette is Kingsized stigie. :)

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  116. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    Baity linked to it on GD last night JB. Kea was sitting on that & a couple of earlier twenties but I can’t find the last comment that must have pushed him over the edge.

    He was still here early Monday. DPF won’t demerit historically so it must have been Sunday.

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  117. stephieboy (2,540 comments) says:

    Oh dear, Judith Collins in hot water again according to TV3. This time “illegally ” using a gun at the ESR Forensics gun range according Richard Lincoln president of the National Shooters Association, ,

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Collins-accused-of-illegal-gun-possession/tabid/1607/articleID/345208/Default.aspx

    TV3 have obviously an axe to grind over her . Now what possibly could that be.? A 3rd degrees item and dumped report from way back.?

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  118. stigie (1,005 comments) says:

    Dont let Penny miss out Johnboy, you know she is still knitting for you. You have to keep it up ole chap !~

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  119. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    He got -10 for something just recently nasska. That would have done it. I spotted it, cant remember where but -10 is just a slap with a wet bus ticket unless you’re on the brink!

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  120. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    Here it is!

    Kea (11,878 comments) says:
    May 19th, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    “I’m Sarah.

    I’m a writer, feminist, social justice campaigner, and poet.”

    And benefit fraudster ?

    http://www.writehanded.org/about/

    [DPF: Accusation of fraud not acceptable. 10 demerits]
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  121. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    So now we know….thanks JB.

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  122. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    Speaking of the disappeared what’s happened to my best mate FES?

    He can’t be a banee surely? :)

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  123. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Ten
    sob sob
    only ten
    bawl
    Its just one false step
    weep weep
    I go the same way
    sob sob
    Think I will go score a tinny and keep it for the days when Im feeling a little stressed just in case.

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  124. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    I just gave you the two up’s to match kea’s last stand griff. If some arse like Minus gives you a downer you could be stuffed! :)

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  125. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Ten or a thousand made no difference – could’ve gone out with a whole lot more style and really gone to town – give some entertainment to us dribbling peons in the cheap seats dammit !! Push the boat out next time !!

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  126. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    I believe I have pushed the boundary too often and lived jb
    a man takes his punishment on the chin
    hence the tears
    :lol:

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  127. Don the Kiwi (1,650 comments) says:

    Poor old Kea.

    I was just getting to understand the guy, and sorta get along.

    10 demerits eh?

    “One small step for a man, one giant leap into the shitter.” :-)

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  128. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    DPF has been known very rarely to delete the odd post lrc. He has done it to one of mine that was exceedingly obscene directed towards a very filthy homo hating scum sucker.
    If you blowout like that it wouldn’t stay up for others entertainment.

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  129. stigie (1,005 comments) says:

    Kea is only out till 20th Sept, is the correct ?

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  130. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    I once met and chatted for half an hour to Kea’s great grandad up on a ridge at the top of the Rainbow skifield Don. A fine fellow he was full of bright plumage and cheeky little ways.

    Have had a sneaking admiration for his offspring since.

    If only he would stop pecking at things that piss folks off too much. :)

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  131. Don the Kiwi (1,650 comments) says:

    But Keas generally are theiving little bastards, Johnboy.

    I really hope that they haven’t passed that trait on to their progeny, like our pigeonholed friend.

    The only thing he seems to pinch is Lucia’s tush :-)

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  132. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Just looked at whaleoil comment rules – makes this place look like the wild west. Eg – no curse words – well fuck me sideways !!

    EDIT: I don’t look at the whaleoil site. I don’t know why. I don’t like the name – ‘whaleoil’ WTF ? I don’t like the layout of it. And you’re not allowed to edit your posts except for grammar and spelling. Cool.

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  133. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    You really have to wonder about minus
    What sort of brain dead moron spends their time coming here night after night just to give us down ticks ?
    It would be good to have a track back on the ticks just once to see who the retarded fucknuckle is.

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  134. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    “we will all be fucked” LRC
    whaleoilbeefhooked

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  135. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Huh ? We will all be rooted using whale oil as lube ? And beef hooked is the phallic object of choice ?

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  136. Don the Kiwi (1,650 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t worry too much about Minus, griff.

    Probably some lefty retard from the Stranded all pissed off and jealous because we’re not commenting over there. :-)

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  137. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    One day lrc I will find some more whale spew
    I remember finding a large chunk when I was a kid. I didn’t know what the hell it was and the smell and funny white waxey texture stuck in my mind
    one day….

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  138. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    I’m watching Back Benches – Wallace Chapman asks a fucking ‘hard-up’ student about his supermarket spend . . .

    ‘I’m a student – so $50.’

    Poor little fuckwit – and yet – there he stands – yep, that’s right – with a fucking half downed beer handle. Did he buy it himself ? How many drinks is he having tonight ? How much is that fucking costing ? These poor students living in poverty socialising at fucking Back Benches with a drink in their hand. That’s real life for you. People just talk a lot of total shit.

    To be fair he didn’t whine about being poor or hard done by. I’m still struggling to grasp how a person would be in a pub if they can only afford to spend $50 a week at the supermarket ?

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  139. edhunter (522 comments) says:

    LRC if you’re a student and your booze budget isn’t 4x your food bill you’re doing something wrong :-)

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  140. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    edhunter – how does one adult survive on a $50 weekly grocery budget ? I’d love to see it. I wonder if he in fact spends no more than $50 or more than $50 per week ?

    griff – my my, you learn more and more about a place. The fabled ‘deleted posts’. Existence erased from the space-time continuum.

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  141. edhunter (522 comments) says:

    Box of weetbix, 2 x 5pack of 2 minute noodles, few cans of bake beans, loaf of bread, a dozen eggs, a can of lynx supplemented with a couple of nights of McD’s or KFC (not included in your supermarket budget) and voila $50.00 pw at the supermarket. Not saying it’s healthy and not devoid of meat but I’m pretty sure beer covers every food group.

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  142. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    yeah yeah. Even with an income of $800 – one beer at a pub is 1% of income. It buys social time and surroundings but still. 2% of disposable income. On a full time low wage – holy hell – one $8 drink is roughly 5% of disposable income.

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  143. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Downtick if you love Left Right and Centre and want to have babies with him.

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  144. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    When is the evil and left-wing piece of shit Campbell going to get his beans? For years this snivelling little effeminate creep has been running a pro-Labour campaign at the expense of advertisers. Our company stopped using anything related to Mazda a while ago, and I implore everyone on this thread to take similar action. Anyone who supports this gutless little mongrel is sick in the head. I was hoping Brian Tamaki would give him a whack when the weasel was harrassing him, some time ago; personally I would have offered to fund his legal expenses if he had. Why is it that these scumbags can start all sorts of bullshit to try and gain traction for the likes of the obese German slug, a convicted felon, and financier of the left (does not pay his suppliers though). Come on Kiwis, we don’t need, nor want the likes of this Campbell arsehole polluting the airwaves.

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  145. aquataur (56 comments) says:

    ANOTHER SHIT BAIL DECISION BY THE SOFTCOCK JUDICIARY

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11259728

    Reading between the lines, one of the family is responsible for shooting the deceased, the cops haven’t figured out which one yet, so they charge father and son with firearm offences in the meantime, and the judge grants bail!

    Go figure

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