General Debate 22 May 2014

May 22nd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. bc (1,334 comments) says:

    Can I?

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  2. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    When is the evil and left-wing piece of shit Campbell going to get his beans? For years this snivelling little effeminate creep has been running a pro-Labour campaign at the expense of advertisers. Our company stopped using anything related to Mazda a while ago, and I implore everyone on this thread to take similar action. Anyone who supports this gutless little mongrel is sick in the head. I was hoping Brian Tamaki would give him a whack when the weasel was harrassing him, some time ago; personally I would have offered to fund his legal expenses if he had. Why is it that these scumbags can start all sorts of bullshit to try and gain traction for the likes of an obese German slug, a convicted felon, and financier of the left (does not pay his suppliers though). Come on Kiwis, we don’t need, nor want the likes of this Campbell arsehole polluting the airwaves.

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  3. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Details of Horan’s accusations against NZ First.

    Where’s Winston? He wasn’t in Parliament yesterday, claiming to be at a Waitakere Grey Power meeting – except that the meeting is scheduled for today.

    Why did NZ First remove this meeting from their Events page on their own website?

    There’s something wobbly about Winston’s claims.

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  4. bc (1,334 comments) says:

    Yes, my first first!

    Now what do I say? Rant about Newstalk ZB? Nah igm will be here soon.
    Socialists? Greens?
    Muslims & Jews? Where is kea and shawn, come to think of it?

    Oh hang on, it’s time to go to work and be productive instead!

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  5. itstricky (1,574 comments) says:

    Now what do I say? Rant about Newstalk ZB? Nah igm will be here soon.

    Considering his “post” was just after your 08:02 and just before this one, that was an absolute classic timed to perfection!

    You could try Tony Abbot, he’s flavour of the month across the ditch:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11259243

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  6. EAD (622 comments) says:

    Where is Reid come to think of it? I always enjoyed reading his take on the day’s news.

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  7. bc (1,334 comments) says:

    Yeah I know itstricky, it was quite amusing (yes I know, I’m easily amused) to make that comment and then see igm there with his daily rant all ready to go, hot off the press for early exposure and maximum upticks!

    But I got there first (evil diabolical laugh).
    Oh happy days!

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  8. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Reid is busy moving to Hamilton and will return in a few weeks
    kea is on an enforced holiday ban lifts 20 sept

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  9. Keeping Stock (10,107 comments) says:

    Winston Peters left his MP’s to it yesterday. Why were they so anxious to try and shut Brendan Horan down? Has he hit the jackpot, and busted the venal Winston First leader?

    So much for Winston Peters and transparency…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/winston-first-is-transparent-yeah-right.html

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  10. bc (1,334 comments) says:

    Kea is banned again? When will he get the hint? And who will Shawn argue with?

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  11. Harriet (4,524 comments) says:

    “…….And family tax benefits are not welfare payments, they’re tax breaks for couples who have children and we all know it costs money to have children and it never ends…..” – Former PM John Howard.

    He nailed that.

    Everyone accepts that businesses should not be over taxed so that they remain productive and competetive for the benefit of the broader community, yet often I read on KB -AND FROM THE RIGHT OF ALL PLACES- that WFF should be scrapped.

    Why are National’s voters asking for a tax rise on families – when they have to pay 15% GST – and for some the repayments of their student loans, plus all the other costs to run and raise a household? It doesn’t make sense for National’s voters to be requesting that.

    Yes people should have ‘skin in the game’ and be paying tax – well they do – 15% on every fucken dollar that they spend on their kids! Plus petrol tax!

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  12. Paulus (2,503 comments) says:

    In the John Banks case I am becoming concerned at the circus being exacerbated by Kim der Crim and his associates.

    It does not appear to have any relevance to the charge which I understand is that John Banks signed a return knowing that it was incorrect because he did not check all the many pages of details as prepared by his business manager.

    I know that I have signed papers without total scrutiny. Where did Liar Brown put his donation from the Crim – into a secret Trust Account – like Cunliffe who may have returned the Crims share back, if it was from him, trying to buy people.

    Looks again like a continuing media – fine $500 plus costs would be appropriate.

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  13. minus (136 comments) says:

    In relation to Horan versus Peters, the Herald points out –

    Rules for parliamentary funding are intended to ensure the money is not used for party political purposes and the Parliamentary Service rules of conduct state that parliamentary staff, must, in the course of their work “avoid electioneering, political party business (i.e. acting for the non-parliamentary branch of the party, such as political party administration, fundraising or campaign related activities), and other actions that are party political in nature”.

    So what happened during the Labour leadership so-called American-style “primary”
    Did Cunliffe and the two others forfeit Parliamentary salaries while they spent three weeks campaigning in what was an internal Labour Party matter.
    Cunliffe had a secret six month loan now unrecorded by Hansard from persons yet unknown, and the question of whether this was Parliamentary business or private Party business remains.

    Leadership contenders did not keep to conference approved policy, nor did they actually compete on any common ground to reveal a comparison in presumed leadership talent, so no wonder the exercise produced a slightly fucked up result,
    but questions still remain about the whole matter.
    And overall, was such an “event” covert electioneering?

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  14. david (2,539 comments) says:

    re minus @ 8:52

    One could also relate those principles to the appointment of Matt McArten and the establishment of the “war room”. On the face of it a clear and blatant abuse of the Rules. Where is the Speaker or the AG on these matters?

    Edit: AG = Auditor General for clarification.

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  15. doggone7 (704 comments) says:

    bc

    I just heard that Mazda’s put warnings out in case the rabid come in to buy, Brian Tamaki’s on his knees praying for tolerance in the citizenry and John Campbells opening a can of Watties best beans as I write.

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  16. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,811 comments) says:

    Got to vote in the European Elections tomorrow. Ho hum.

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  17. EAD (622 comments) says:

    Vote UKIP & help destroy the EUSSR – Let the revolution begin!

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  18. Neil (556 comments) says:

    Like some other bloggers on this post I watched parliament yesterday re-Brendon Horan’s claims.
    I have no time for Brendon Horan and his ex-colleagues in NZ First.
    Yesterday was pathetic to see the lap dogs of Winston in their pathetic efforts to cover up. Barbara Stewart especially looked like a marionette being manipulated by Winston. Richard Prosser,unsuccessful mayoral candidate in Central Otago, showed his intellect in pathetic points of order. Andrew Williams looked as though he knew he was wrong defending the aged wounded warrior Winston.
    Winston and his mob are out of petrol. They are dog tucker in relation to being a party. The NZ First caucus are a bunch of has beens led by an aged geriatric Winston. The remnants of Rob’s mob love him, especially the blue rinse brigade.
    However Winston goes to these large Grey Power meetings where he makes absurd statements with little fear of challenge and the feeling of entitlement by a lot of these greedy people.
    Let’s keep NZ First under 5% this year !!!!!!

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  19. flipper (3,574 comments) says:

    I thort IGM was a bit strong in his selection of words this morning, but I agree with his sentiments.

    I also thort that J Key put snotty nosed J Campbell down in masterly fashion yesterday, likening him to a C T who believes the US bombed the World Trade centre, Obama being born in Kenya, faking the 69 moon landing, and the US shooting down of the Malaysian airliner.

    As for Mazda… I suppose we help them every time we mention their brand and link it with Mr Snotty. They make as nice car, but associating with snotty is not something to persuade me to buy Mazda.

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  20. minus (136 comments) says:

    Winston YEAH / NAH
    Speaking from Auckland, Mr Peters said Mr Horan’s claims were lies. While he confirmed NZ First had used parliamentary funding to develop the software, he denied the software was used for party political purposes.

    “It’s used to enable our expansion into sector groups, all sorts of commercial and social interest groups where we’re able to spell out what our policies are and interact with them.”

    “It is run by someone who knows precisely what the law is as to the appropriateness of use and what you can and cannot do.”

    However he also said the software had not been launched yet.

    1st sentence Winston denies the software is used for party political purposes.
    2nd sentence Winston describes uses which seem to be party political
    3rd sentence confirms that someone uses it
    4th sentence denies it is used at all – “had not been launched yet”

    Kī tōnu taku waka topaki i te tuna, Winston

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  21. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    david – I queried the Speaker about the war Room.

    Thank you for your email. I can confirm that the relocation of Labour’s parliamentary staff into a large open plan office aligns with the functions that these parliamentary staff members perform in support the Labour Leaders Office. I am assured it is not related to election activities which you rightly point out should be kept separate.

    Thank you for writing to me on this matter.

    Yours sincerely

    Rt Hon David Carter
    Speaker of the House of Representatives

    The lines between Parliament and party are very grey at times, but Labour have assured it is not election related. As much as it can be separated perhaps.

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  22. itstricky (1,574 comments) says:

    Why is it that these scumbags can start all sorts of bullshit to try and gain traction for the likes of an obese German slug, a convicted felon, and financier of the left (does not pay his suppliers though).

    You forgot the part where he was a financier of “the other side” as well:’

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11258523

    It’s kinda big in “the news” – well at least the John Campbell news and we all know that’s not the real truth – Kiwiblog is. Hmmm, let’s see. Hmmmm it appears, analysing this, that in KB World, Banksie is a figment of your overactive imagination!

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  23. dime (9,464 comments) says:

    harriet – cause it means those without kids are subsidising those with.

    noth to mention the admin costs of WFF.

    the best tax system is the simplest one. fuck Welfare for families. They could have just dropped all of our taxes.

    as for johnny – i was paying 48% tax under him, plus 1.5% medicare levy. disgusting.

    edit – just remembered, according to the tax calculator im already paying a solid 12k a year or some such to educate other peoples kids.

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  24. Keeping Stock (10,107 comments) says:

    Well said Neil; why were the Winston First lobby-fodder MP’s trying to shut Horan down yesterday? I thought Winston believed in transparency and openness.

    What a hypocrite he is.

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  25. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    It is a sad indictment of our society to see retards supporting the obese German felon; he is a liar, a cheat, and a dangerous self-centred mongrel who should be thrown on a plane and sent to face his criminal charges. Come on Kiwis, this beast must go.

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  26. dime (9,464 comments) says:

    igm – i just hope hes a crier. imagine him balling his eyes out as hes lead onto the plane.

    then the first pics we get to see of him in that giant orange jumpsuit.. with a bit of luck a black guy will have his arm around him :D

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  27. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Neil, KS – Horan got in a dig at Prosser:

    BRENDAN HORAN: It is good to see he had a voice there, but a shame he does not have a vertebrae.

    He had to withdraw and apologise.

    In an interview afterwards Winston’s minion MPs said that Horan was just trying to make mischief before he is ousted from Parliament in September.

    Their places in Parliament are far from secure, especially if they and Winston keep displaying their incompetence.

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  28. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    MSM getting worked up into an OTT frenzy over the Abbot wink.

    About as fake as it would be watching Dotcom jumping up and down applauding a plate of boiled cabbage.

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  29. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Further evidence of NZ First competence this morning.

    @LloydBurr
    Some advice for @asenatitaylor – don’t shoot the messenger. I know it’s tough having Winston away but seriously…

    L Asenati LoleTaylor ‏@asenatitaylor
    @LloydBurr Some wisdom for you, don’t make false assumption nor spread rumours about others. It can be “Cyber bullying” under new law

    @LloydBurr
    You’re accusing me of cyber bullying you? That’s outrageous!

    @asenatitaylor
    You made an accusation that I was shooting a messenger. I didn’t and it’s an outrageous assumption.

    @LloydBurr
    You know ‘Don’t shot the messenger’ is a saying right? I was accusing you of shooting someone.

    Perhaps he meant “I wasn’t accusing you of shooting someone.”.

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  30. Harriet (4,524 comments) says:

    Dime#

    —–harriet – cause it means those without kids are subsidising those with.—–

    No you arn’t. They’re just not paying lots of tax.

    —noth to mention the admin costs of WFF.—-

    They’re just not paying tax – clearly that obviously then should mean that there is no administration cost!

    —-the best tax system is the simplest one. fuck Welfare for families. They could have just dropped all of our taxes.—-

    It’s not welfare. Yeah they should drop all taxes. Simple is best.

    ——as for johnny – i was paying 48% tax under him, plus 1.5% medicare levy. disgusting.——-

    And what are you turning over now? What’s your y-on-y growth been since you left aussie? Is it all really comparable?

    ——-edit – just remembered, according to the tax calculator im already paying a solid 12k a year or some such to educate other peoples kids.———

    Don’t employ any of them then. Employ the private school kids instead – at least their parents contribute more.

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  31. jcuk (586 comments) says:

    A good sob story Harriett 8.41 but since we can get lots of adults from overseas why do we subsidise growing our own?

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  32. Megatron (187 comments) says:

    Tramper vents anger at DOC
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10070330/Tramper-vents-anger-at-DOC

    I am sorry for the deceased girl and her family, however having walked the Milford track in January and knowing how rough the Fiord land weather can be in Summer, why on earth would you walk it at this time of the year?
    I always thought they closed the track about now because of the potential dangers of flooded rivers and avalanches?
    Even in mid Summer it was very cold and the rain torrential with rivers swollen. Must be awful at this time of the year.
    Fantastic walk though.

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  33. dime (9,464 comments) says:

    “—–harriet – cause it means those without kids are subsidising those with.—–

    No you arn’t. They’re just not paying lots of tax.”

    what kind of logic is that?

    say the govt costs 100,000 to run.

    10 people all earning the same amount have to keep it going.

    5 people without kids pay 70,000 tax
    5 people with pay 30,000tax

    how the fuck is the group without kids not subisidising those with em?

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  34. dime (9,464 comments) says:

    “——-edit – just remembered, according to the tax calculator im already paying a solid 12k a year or some such to educate other peoples kids.———

    Don’t employ any of them then. Employ the private school kids instead – at least their parents contribute more.”

    ill employ immigrants. fixed.

    OR the kids parents could pay the full whack!

    you want to have the little shit heads, YOU pay for em. simple.

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  35. Harriet (4,524 comments) says:

    “…..A good sob story Harriett but since we can get lots of adults from overseas why do we subsidise growing our own?…”

    Paying less tax is not a fucken subsidy.

    They are paying less tax for their contribution to society as parents as that contribution is very costly. That contribution is also a very responsable one – as it is the foundation of a good society. Without it society collapses.

    People are primarily parents if they have children and the wages of their work is primarily for the welfare of their children.

    If people are primarily working to be parents then parenting shouldn’t be taxed.

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  36. OneTrack (2,614 comments) says:

    itstricky – “You forgot the part where he was a financier of “the other side” as well:’”

    Yes, Kim Dot Com tried to buy favours wherever he thought there might be a possibility of someone helping him to avoid his extradition. And the left love him. Including, it looks like, Russel rolling over and promising that if the Greens do get in he will abort the extradition. Wonder how much that cost? Oh, ffs.

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  37. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    itstricky: Are you a beneficiary or a public servant? You being definitely a left-wing loser.
    Dime: The fat criminal slug will definitely make a good gang member’s bitch . . . that is if he can buy off a guard or two.

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  38. Nookin (3,037 comments) says:

    igm

    There have not been very many comments on the nature of the evidence given by Mr Com. Perhaps it is inappropriate at this stage. It is a matter of concern that he clearly had strong expectations that the recipient of his gracious donation would drop everything and help him with his residency, help shepherd through his attempts to purchase the various properties, arrange for the prison authorities to provide a more luxurious mattress and then attend upon him while he expressed his demands as to the future of the charges that he was facing. He said that he thought Banks was his “friend”. “Property” seems to be the more apt description.

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  39. Lance (2,454 comments) says:

    Dotcom seems to be oddly self destructive.

    He came in with a hiss and a roar, had great PR, firework shows etc.
    Then the raids looked OTT and the FBI wouldn’t let him know the evidence against him
    Seemed unfair and maybe he was being persecuted by a paranoid and imperial USA.

    I even found myself thinking, “fair suck of sav, everyone should have a fair process of law”.

    But then all this fucking idiotic pissing everybody in power off, attempting to destroy those who were once allies, attacking the govt, insulting a highly popular Prime Minister, cosying up to Mana FFS etc etc.

    Like many here I now agree the clown has to go. For among other things, this crap is never going to stop so long as he hangs around in NZ.

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  40. Ross12 (1,153 comments) says:

    Pathetic !!!

    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/23724724/collins-under-fire-over-gun-picture/

    Some people on the left clearly don’t rate the intelligence of the average voter if they think this will get them some where.

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  41. Don the Kiwi (1,594 comments) says:

    Another bloody glorious day in Tauranga. :-)

    Hardly any wind, the mercury heading up to 20 deg. or more, and we’re one month away from the shortest day. Bring on that global warming, I say. ;-)

    I guess it’ll have to turn t shit some time soon. :-(

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  42. dime (9,464 comments) says:

    “Paying less tax is not a fucken subsidy.”

    it is if youre paying less BECAUSE you have kids. Unless govt spending is reduced the same amount of your breeders break then its a subsidy.

    “They are paying less tax for their contribution to society as parents as that contribution is very costly. That contribution is also a very responsable one – as it is the foundation of a good society. Without it society collapses.

    People are primarily parents if they have children and the wages of their work is primarily for the welfare of their children.

    If people are primarily working to be parents then parenting shouldn’t be taxed.”

    so right wing of you! all for less tax when it comes to… YOU.

    There are plenty of breeders out there raising shitty human beings who will be a drain on your glorious society.

    you CHOOSE to breed. you pay.

    your “society will die out” argument is bullshit. it wasnt going that way before welfare for families was introduced.

    as people get richer they breed less – if youre in some shit hole you have more kids cause not all of em are going to make it.. so maybe we need to keep you breeders poorer if we want a bigger population :D

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  43. Tauhei Notts (1,609 comments) says:

    Skype with the daughter in Barcelona.
    She went to a convenience store run by a Pakistani. Bought things like bleach, goat’s milk cheese and sundry other things for 10 euro. Then she went on the Countdown web site and priced the same goods for NZD35.
    There is a serious message here, somewhere.

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  44. dime (9,464 comments) says:

    Tauhei – do the same thing by going to say Wallmarts site. its slit your wrists material.

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  45. wreck1080 (3,734 comments) says:

    Herald wins the stupidest ‘breaking news’ that isn’t award.

    NZ Herald online title banner …

    “BREAKING NEWS Brendon McCullum declines to comment on Chris Cairns accusations … Read more”

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  46. doggone7 (704 comments) says:

    It is a sad indictment of our society to see a blogger has the need to comment that John Key is a bared faced liar. Not just “putting a spin on things” but bare faced. That that is not seen as an indictment on what we have become is indeed an indictment on us.

    Far more an indictment than fussing and giving relevance to an fairly irrelevant immigrant. Time is proving he does indeed have someones by the proverbials Those who deny his importance and loathe his presence are firmly gonad grasped and despite any repudiation of ownership of that subservient role they are in fact the chief advocates of his significance. Their pleas ring out through the clouds of their obsession, “Stop it I like it!”

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  47. Don the Kiwi (1,594 comments) says:

    dime’s theme song. ;-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_FYUkwUO3g

    One of my favourites from the ’60′s :-)

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  48. Harriet (4,524 comments) says:

    “…….There are plenty of breeders out there raising shitty human beings who will be a drain on your glorious society.

    you CHOOSE to breed. you pay…..”

    Dime……if comes down to the fact that all and every possable cost for parenting should be bourne by the parents alone for raising children…….

    …..then the least that the economic minded Key can do is to get the fucken criminals to pay for the entire cost of the police.

    And to grow some fucken balls and start drilling for oil in Afganistan to pay for the cost of the military.

    The Wowser of Wall Street getting mums and dads to pay for the liberal choices of criminals and terrorists is looking more weak everytime that you little blue smurfs keep opening your mouths.

    The hypersexuals should also be paying for their healthcare costs in the way that people pay for denistry after wrecking their teeth by consuming to much sugar. Drinkers and smokers do. So to do workers throuig ACC.

    Pay as you go should apply to sexual health costs. As the brillant economic Key would know.

    But The Metrosexual of Wall Steet won’t do it! :cool:

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  49. dime (9,464 comments) says:

    Harriet – stop being a SCAB.

    there is a difference between the police – for the good of EVERYONE and those who choose to breed and then scream that they are special and should be treated different.

    how about.

    you get a tax break for being a breeder. but your road user charges go through the roof. we impose costs on you for slowing down the economy when you drive your precious to school everyday. you pay more for your better car spaces etc etc oh, then there is the green tax.

    your little shitheads are far worse than any V8.

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  50. Rowan (1,787 comments) says:

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Cop-admits-failings-in-Malcolm-Rewa-investigation/tabid/1771/articleID/345125/Default.aspx

    A really shocking piece highlighted by 3rd degree showing the many opportunities that the police missed to catch serial rapist Malcolm Rewa, the result; many further victims needlessly raped and the shocking murder of Susan Burdett for which Teina Pora is wrongfully convicted of. Rewa is an animal, these victims of Rewa should be bringing a class action lawsuit under the BORA for the police negligence. This case just gets worse and worse!

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  51. Left Right and Centre (2,821 comments) says:

    And on a lighter note . . .

    Cancer patient: ‘How do I cope with the highs and lows ?’ The therapist / councillor takes a piece of paper – and draws a straight line. ‘That’s a flat line. That’s when you’re dead’.

    As heard on overnight talkback recounted by host 22 May – theme was ‘cancer surviving callers’.

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  52. Scott (1,709 comments) says:

    Apparently since 9/11 there have been over 20,000 terrorist attacks by Muslims. Here is just another day from the religion of peace-

    “At least 5 people were killed May 18 by a bomb blast in the Christian district of Kano, in Northern Nigeria.
    That attack was followed by an even more deadly one on May 20, when two bomb explosions rocked the city of Jos, in Nigeria’s heartland.
    Two bomb blasts were reported, one in a cargo truck and the other on a minibus, within minutes of each other. Early casualty reports, none yet confirmed, ran as high as 118 killed.”

    No group has claimed the responsibility for the Kano or Jos attacks, but they bear the hallmarks of the violent Islamic sect Boko Haram, responsible of the abduction of more than 200 school girls in Chibok in April.

    “This is another attack targeting Christians because the majority of people living in Sabon Gari are Christians. Any attack in this busy area will hit members of Christian community,” a Church leader, who asked not to be named out of concern for his safety, told Watch Monitor.

    http://www.mychristiandaily.com/index.php/uk/186-generic-news-5-7/10615-bombs-kill-dozens-in-nigerian-christian-district-and-jos

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  53. Don the Kiwi (1,594 comments) says:

    Wait for Ugly to come along and justify it all…

    Or Kea – shit, this would send him into an apoplectic fit – “Christians are just as bad – and so are the Jews – ”

    And then all manner of bible quotes and Talmud quotes and distorted cherry-picked history quotes. :-)

    C’mon Kea, hurry up and get through your ban – we’re missing out on our entertainment.

    We also miss your sane comments on non-religious topics. :-)

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  54. dime (9,464 comments) says:

    is kea banned again? lol

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  55. Don the Kiwi (1,594 comments) says:

    Yes – c’mon dime, get with the program.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_FYUkwUO3g

    did you check out your theme song :-)

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  56. dime (9,464 comments) says:

    don – lol thanks for that!

    Dimes official theme song:

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  57. Jack5 (4,595 comments) says:

    On first page of Stuff a picture of singer Lorde and Helen Clark above these words:

    Stand proud, Kiwis. Our women the world loves are together, being awesome.

    The world loves Helen Clark? For fucks sake, Stuff!

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  58. dime (9,464 comments) says:

    jack5 – that is freakin hilarious!

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  59. wreck1080 (3,734 comments) says:

    @jack5::: i was just about to write the same thing.

    I detest helen clark and the financial ruination she bought upon this country.

    We have only just begun to recover 7 odd years after giving her the boot.

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  60. Fletch (6,028 comments) says:

    On first page of Stuff a picture of singer Lorde and Helen Clark above these words:

    Stand proud, Kiwis. Our women the world loves are together, being awesome.

    The world loves Helen Clark? For fucks sake, Stuff!

    Jack5, I see the title reads, “Two Kiwi Heroines In New York”.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/10072622/Two-Kiwi-heroines-meet-in-New-York

    I thought the word ‘heroine’ was non-PC these days – like ‘actress’?
    LOL

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  61. ShawnLH (3,484 comments) says:

    What was Kea banned for?

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  62. Ryan Sproull (7,033 comments) says:

    What was Kea banned for?

    Some kind of final straw, presumably.

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  63. Longknives (4,466 comments) says:

    “The world loves Helen Clark? For fucks sake, Stuff!”

    I am equally as surprised at the claim that “The world loves” that obnoxious adolescent Lordy!

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  64. Don the Kiwi (1,594 comments) says:

    Lorde is a brief moment in the history of Kiwi music.
    She can’t sing for crap – her music does show novelty and individualism, but will be very difficult to innovate with. She doesn’t even look particularly good – gothic make-up and all.

    In two years time, she will have been simply a minor blip on the radar.

    But I’ll bet a quid to a nob of goatshit that she’s a better woman that the obnoxious liar Heilen Klarkenfuehrer.

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  65. Ross12 (1,153 comments) says:

    Is this what Greens / Labour want to bring to NZ (BTW. I see a opinion piece in the Dom. Post today by the former Greens leader extolling the vritues of removing coal mining in NZ)

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/billions_more_green_waste_killing_jobs_and_hiking_your_bills/

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  66. Fletch (6,028 comments) says:

    In two years time, she will have been simply a minor blip on the radar.

    Kind of like Ladyhawke, who was the Big Thing for a little while.

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  67. Lucia Maria (2,208 comments) says:

    Here’s the final straw.

    It’s amazing how many posts DPF writes – I had to scroll to near the bottom of the second page looking for the post. When I was getting worried that I’d accidentally gone past it, there it was.

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  68. Viking2 (11,146 comments) says:

    The FBI has a problem of its own: weed.

    The bureau is struggling to hire young hackers because its long-standing drug policy does not allow the use of cannabis. Unfortunately, hackers like their weed.

    “I have to hire a great work force to compete with those cyber criminals and some of those kids want to smoke weed on the way to the interview,” FBI Director James B. Comey told a White Collar Crime Institute conference on Monday.

    Theoretically, the bureau’s hiring policy states that applicants cannot use cannabis for at least three years before applying for a job.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11259756

    So, as per normal the FBI have to break the Law in an attempt to enforce the Law. :lol:
    But with 2,000 positions to fill this year, the FBI may have to relax its no-drugs policy if it wants to win the cyber war.

    Asked by a member of the audience if his stoner friend could apply for a job at the bureau, Mr Comey suggested he “should go ahead and apply”.

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  69. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    Wait for Ugly to come along and justify it all…

    Two can play at that game, Don.

    Let’s say I called myself a Christian are took up committing various acts of terrorism. Would you then start complaining about Christian terrorism?

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  70. Lucia Maria (2,208 comments) says:

    Ugly,

    Except, you’d be pretending to be a Christian, and the guys Don is referring to aren’t pretending. They believe they are Muslims.

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  71. Harriet (4,524 comments) says:

    “…..Let’s say I called myself a Christian are took up committing various acts of terrorism. Would you then start complaining about Christian terrorism?…..”

    You would be the only one calling yourself Christian that would be doing so. And all other Christians would be denouncing you for doing so.

    While millions upon millions of Muslims call themselves Muslim – and fail to demand from their governments an immediate end to terrorism.

    Go on Ugly – keep demanding from us Christians an end to religious warfare – I like popcorn.

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  72. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    If you ever need a reason not to be prejudicial towards other people, despise their culture & race then automatically point to them as ignorant, uncivilized & inferior, remember that Angola was the first country to do something positive about Islam.

    Ref: http://www.timesofisrael.com/angola-denies-it-banned-islam-but-concedes-that-it-is-not-legally-recognized/

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  73. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    Except, you’d be pretending to be a Christian, and the guys Don is referring to aren’t pretending. They believe they are Muslims.

    Well, all I’d have to do would be to make up my own definition of what a Christian is – for argument’s sake it could be going to church on Sundays and saying “praise the lord!’ every now and then. I could then be a legitimate Christian according to my own standards.

    You would be the only one calling yourself Christian that would be doing so. And all other Christians would be denouncing you for doing so.

    Not really, George W Bush called himself a Christian, any he wasn’t denounced for his terrorism.

    While millions upon millions of Muslims call themselves Muslim – and fail to demand from their governments an immediate end to terrorism.

    Demanding an immediate end to terrorism is like demanding and immediate end to poverty – nice in theory but hopelessly unrealistic.

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  74. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    ““From what I have heard, Angola is the first country in the world that has decided to ban Islam,” the Guardian quoted Elias Isaac, the country director of the Open Society Initiative of Southern Africa (Osisa), as saying. “This is a crazy madness. The government is intolerant of any difference.”

    A Mr Isaac would be among one of the last blokes you would think to be critical of the Angolan governments decision nasska! :)

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  75. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    Perhaps the the Open Society Initiative of Southern Africa has been infiltrated & he’s just putting on a front JB. :)

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  76. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Back after QI! :)

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  77. Don the Kiwi (1,594 comments) says:

    “Not really, George W Bush called himself a Christian, any he wasn’t denounced for his terrorism.”

    Enlighten us Ugly. My understanding is that the USA was attacked by terrorists when GWB was president.

    Now tell us your story.

    (Sorry folks – I shoulda just clammed up ;-) )

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  78. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    See a twenty cent piece, pick it up & all day long you’ll be the envy of everyone at the synagogue.

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  79. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    ….”Now tell us your story.”….

    Go wash your mouth out & say fifty Ave Marias Don. :)

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  80. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Your jokes are usually a bit better than that, nasska.

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  81. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    I’m having an “off” day Mike.

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  82. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    I reckon that the Eketahuna Bowling Clubs second fifteen could thrash the arse off of milkeys pseudo semi-catholics on a good day nasska. What think you? :)

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  83. Don the Kiwi (1,594 comments) says:

    Yeah – I’ve been eating soap since I was 4 nasska. :-)

    Can’t keep away from an argument – especially with losers.

    You impress me – you know Latin?. :-)

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  84. Don the Kiwi (1,594 comments) says:

    If they had genuine Catholics instead of CINO’s Johnboy, they’d be invincible ;-)

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  85. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Just like the Spanish Armada Don! :)

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  86. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    We’ll schedule the Eketahuna Womens Bowling Clubs second fifteen for a match later this year JB. :)

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  87. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Planning to pop over the hill to see Wainui lose on Saturday, Johnboy?

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  88. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Do I still have time to apply for a Hutt Rec visa milkey?

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  89. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Visa-free if you have the right connections. Green and black colours not recommended though.

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  90. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    I’ll ask Ferrett!

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  91. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    :I don’t know Ferrett.

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  92. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    He’s very fussy about who he associates with milkey.

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  93. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    That can’t be the case if he knows you.

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  94. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    My understanding is that the USA was attacked by terrorists when GWB was president.

    The fact is that they lied about the nature of the attacks, blaming Osama bin Laden almost immediately afterwards.
    We know that they lied because of the energy signature of the event which destroyed the twin towers.
    The amount of thermal energy present was far in excess of that which would have been available from the energy sources which were described in the MSM account of events.

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  95. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    ….”You impress me – you know Latin?”…..

    Ego sum ​​illiteratus Don. :)

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  96. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Oh, piss off Ugly, the grown ups are chatting. And Don.

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  97. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    Can’t handle the truth, eh milk & milo?

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  98. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Your crap has been debunked so many times that I just can’t be arsed tonight.

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  99. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    Attempting to debunk the facts only serves to highlight the importance of the issue.

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  100. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Oh, so I’m an agent of the conspiracy to suppress the truth, am I?

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  101. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    If you are then you’re not doing very well at it.

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  102. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    That fact that you entertain the possibility that I might be is very revealing as to your mindset.

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  103. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    The fact that you have no answer to the problem of excess energy at “ground zero” and yet you remain opposed to the logical conclusion that the MSM account is false is very revealing as to yours.

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  104. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    I’ve done arguing with you over PRATT.

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  105. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    You can’t rebut the facts so you lie by pretending that a rebuttal exists.

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  106. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    But rebuttals do exist. You just refuse to accept them because they conflict with your cherished beliefs.

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  107. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    No they don’t. You can’t rebut the existence of the extraordinary amounts of heat at ground zero because the fact has been reported in many different ways:
    1. witness reports of molten steel
    2. infrared photos showing 700 degree hotspots days after the event
    3. video evidence of steel fused with concrete
    4. reports of underground fires burning months after the event

    You are accusing me of what you yourself are guilty of.

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  108. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    All of those points have been definitively answered. PRATT

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  109. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    Stop lying, milky.

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  110. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    But I’m not. Deep down you know that and wish that you could stop lying to yourself.

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  111. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    If you were telling the truth you could post a link to your “definitive answers”.

    All that I’ve seen from the debunkers is misdirection, arguing about the molten metal that was seen falling from the towers, never addressing the problem of the amount of energy required to keep the site hot for so long.

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  112. Sidey (248 comments) says:

    Buy new drapes UT, all us surveillance guys are getting bored seeing the same curtains on the tapes every debrief.

    And you really should change your underwear more often. Just because you live in your Mum’s basement doesn’t mean she should have to de-crust your jocks every Saturday.

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  113. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    You could start with the very helpful RationalWiki, but you might have theological objections to that site. Really, the answers to your questions are just a short google away.

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  114. Reid (15,955 comments) says:

    The amount of thermal energy present was far in excess of that which would have been available from the energy sources which were described in the MSM account of events.

    Mere physics and logic and stupid things like the moronic laws of thermodynamics and Newtonian mechanics cannot compete with the galloping mentalism of someone who has already made up their mind as to what the facts are.

    Tolstoy was right. It’s happened before and it will happen again and it happens all the fucking time. It’s a real shame that even when said laws are laid out before the mentals in a perfectly straightforward manner leading to no other possible conclusion, even then, still the appalling morons can’t fucking see it, because they don’t want to.

    It’s a shame, but it’s a shame for the morons, not for the logical ones, who are capable of stepping out of their emotional comfort zone and following the logic and the evidence where it leads to, even when it leads to dark and disturbing places.

    But that’s evidence and logic for you. Leave the hysteria to those who can’t and won’t think, the amusing thing is, the morons actually believe they’re the ones who have logic and evidence on their side, when really, it’s merely their big ball of ego that prevents them from admitting they have no fucking idea of how the world really works.

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  115. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    From RationalWiki:

    Molten steel was found in the basement seven weeks later and jet fuel can’t melt steel.

    This assertion is a strawman because it does not address the issue of the amount of energy required to keep the site hot for so long.

    Rebuttal: There is no documented evidence of the presence of actually-melted steel at ground zero.

    Witnesses reported molten steel, describing it as like being in a foundry. The lack of documented evidence can the attributed to the fact that crime scene investigators where kept away from the site until most of the steel had been removed.

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  116. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    That’s Reid’s way of saying he’s so much cleverer than the sheeple…

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  117. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    The average sheeple is way, way smarter than you are, milky.

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  118. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Another one of your beliefs not founded upon reason.

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  119. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    Here’s the reason for it:

    Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story
    Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/141006poll.htm

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  120. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    At last!

    After this promising beginning I feel confident that consensus over 9/11 will finally be reached tonight. :)

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  121. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    A poll reported by PrisonPlanet will convince very few, Ugly.

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  122. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    You’ve already been snapped for lying, why should anyone believe you?

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  123. Nostradamus (2,948 comments) says:

    Nasska:

    I don’t think we’re in a position to start looking for consensus yet.

    As Sidey explains above:

    And you [UglyTruth] really should change your underwear more often. Just because you live in your Mum’s basement doesn’t mean she should have to de-crust your jocks every Saturday.

    So, first clean underwear, then consensus!

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  124. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    And you’ve been repeatedly reminded that linking to websites like PrisonPlanet works against your credibility.

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  125. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    You lie about a fictional rebuttal, then argue about the credibility of my link?

    Can you say “galloping hypocrite”, milky?

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  126. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    ….”So, first clean underwear, then consensus”….

    Right Nostradamus….if we do it the other way round there’s a risk that UT will be chipping off his jockey juniors. :)

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  127. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    But I haven’t lied, Ugly. A lie is a knowing misrepresentation of the truth. I don’t lie. What you call lies are simply others’ opinions based on their assessment of a situation. The fact that you so readily resort to calling other Kiwibloggers ‘liars’ is more revealing about you than about them.

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  128. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    Again, if you were telling the truth you could post a link to your “definitive answers”.

    You suggested RationalWiki, but they don’t address the issue. None of the debunkers do.

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  129. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    I don’t have to post any other links. All of your points have been refuted before. You choose to ignore this because you have a deep personal investment in your version of the ‘truth’. I suspect it all goes back to the court-ordered psychiatric evaluation. Did that reveal some things that made you uncomfortable, Ugly?

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  130. Nostradamus (2,948 comments) says:

    UglyTruth:

    Speaking of pressing earthly matters, have you managed to get to the bottom of the conspiracy theory involving the previously-unknown link between Jabba the Hutt’s relative and the faked moon landing?

    Jabba the Hutt’s Uncle Ziro conspired with Count Dooku to kidnap Jabba’s son Rotta, reasoning that when the Jedi sent to retrieve Rotta died, the Republic would be forced to apprehend Jabba, leading to Ziro gaining control of their clan.

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  131. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    The fact that you don’t post any other links shows that you are unable to tell the truth about your fictional “definitive answers’, mikenmild.

    Attempting to change the subject won’t work either, liar.

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  132. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Again, I am not a liar. The fact that you so readily resort to calling other Kiwibloggers liars suggests to me that you have your own issues with the truth.

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  133. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    Why would anyone believe you?

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  134. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Because I tell the truth, and provide arguments grounded in reason and evidence.

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  135. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    You are lying again. You have no evidence to support your position.

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  136. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Yes I do.

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  137. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    Liar.

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  138. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Ouch, that hurts. Please don’t call me a liar again.

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  139. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    You can’t rebut the existence of the extraordinary amounts of heat at ground zero because the fact has been reported in many different ways:
    1. witness reports of molten steel
    2. infrared photos showing 700 degree hotspots days after the event
    3. video evidence of steel fused with concrete
    4. reports of underground fires burning months after the event

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  140. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Points
    Refuted
    A
    Thousand
    Times
    PRATT

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  141. Sidey (248 comments) says:

    You do know Mikenmild, that you’ll never get UT to concede on pretty much anything that seems obvious and normal to us, well, normal folk?

    As much fun as it is, the guys obviously a piss-taker. If he totally believed everything he posts i.e. that almost nothing on this planet happens without something sinister behind it, he’d have no friends that visit, no family that visit, and be regarded as “that nutball” by everyone who has had even a passing dealing with him. I cling to the hope that people that deluded are under some sort of care and don’t have regular (as in, all day, every day, every damn thread) access to the online world.

    Putting my “UT” CT hat on for a minute, the obvious answer is that he’s just taking the piss big time, and not to be taken seriously on any topic. I think he’s a plant by the CIA in conjunction with Elvis. By acting so obviously nutbarish, we’ll discount his nutbarish utterances, and thereby fall into his trap.

    Quite what that trap may be, I have no idea. But it will devilish, to be sure.

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  142. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Sidey
    Your description of Ugly is likely spot on. There is some hope for him. Unlike Reid, for example, Ugly has been known to modify his positions in the face of evidence.

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  143. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    I’m not taking the piss. Milky is lying when he says that the points have been refuted.

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  144. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Again, I’m not lying. But that’s enough fun for one evening.

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  145. UglyTruth (4,012 comments) says:

    Liar

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  146. Scott Chris (5,883 comments) says:

    Liar.

    Ah Freddie Mercury at his best:

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  147. publicwatchdog (2,107 comments) says:

    Always (at least) two sides to the story Kiwibloggers?

    FYI

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/05/court-reporting-public-gallery-circus-high-court-6/#more-137180

    “From the dead cat wearing rates avoider Penny Bright to the feral in front of me in the public gallery wearing socks with his jandals and track pants, I cannot help feeling sorry for John Banks having to put up with his career and legacy tried in front of a bunch of rabble. I do not particularly like John Banks as a politician, but no one deserves this….”

    errrr….I was actually wearing a beret Cathy?

    And I wouldn’t describe you as ‘rabble’ :)

    “Rates avoider Bright is allowed to harangue witnesses right down to the Hyatt Hotel. It is a scenario that awaits a Steve Braunias column.”

    errr….. to whom were you referring Cathy?

    “And David Fisher nice punk for informing the rates avoider Bright I was in attendance. The only ray of sunshine was that I got to say to her face what I had previously published. I don’t think she’s ever experienced that before.

    There is a first and a last time for everything.”

    What a wee SPINNER you are Cathy!

    My side of the story is that I recognised your face, and asked David Fisher if it was indeed ‘Cactus Kate’.
    He said it was and that your name was ‘Cathy’.

    You may recall that it was I who approached you, in Auckland High Court room 6, (before proceedings commenced), extended my hand and said “Hello Cathy – I’m Penny Bright – we haven’t yet met.”

    You looked VERY much like you didn’t want to shake my hand and – quite frankly – it was the most revolting handshake I have ever experienced (even worse than John Key’s – and that is saying something!).

    I then said words to the effect “Hypocritical rich prick? (Which is how you described me in this NBR article you wrote
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/rich-prick-doesnt-want-pay-rates-ck-135024 – 29 January 2013)

    (My home is freehold – I was lucky enough to pay off a 24 year loan in less than 9 years as a result of falling interest rates)

    “Isn’t that the politics of envy? I thought you people didn’t do that sort of thing?”

    When you asked me if I had paid my rates, I said ‘absolutely not’.

    (Which is still the case.

    Auckland Council is not complying with the Public Records Act 2005, and giving citizens and ratepayers the ‘devilish detail’ and showing where exactly rates monies are being spent on private sector contracts.)

    You see Cathy Odgers – you may not be interested in ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local government – which is probably unsurprising, given that I understand you are connected with tax havens for the wealthy?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Odgers

    “Odgers holds bachelor of commerce and bachelor of laws degrees from the University of Auckland and is an admitted barrister and solicitor in New Zealand.[2] Odgers is a full member of STEP (Society of Trust and Estate Practitioners), the Asia Offshore Association and the Inter-Pacific Bar Association.[2] ”

    http://www.fbsemirates.com/confidential-banking-and-banks-in-the-dubai/

    Confidential Banking and Banks in the Dubai

    Click Here – Essential UAE Company Practical Information and Facts.

    Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) – An Absolute “Must Read” …

    What does the ‘Near Future’ hold and Dubai – ‘The New Switzerland’ for the Rich

    Anonymity / confidentiality of beneficial owners

    Here is a list of benefits of the UAE relating to SAFE and confidential banking in a rich and economically stable country with huge financial (and oil) reserves.

    14th largest economy in the world having the 5th largest oil reserves and notably the reserves of the emirate of Abu Dhabi alone amount to over 1 trillion USD$!

    FULL confidentiality for beneficial owners at banks and the authorities and NO information exchange agreements with any other country. Do we disclose UBO details / identity to the authorities? In RAK we do not! (the reason for choosing RAK) in Jebel Ali (Dubai) we do and authorities need bank ref of UBO! To the banks? Yes as a general rule we disclose BUT there are no information exchange agreements

    Solid bank confidentiality with NO exchange of information agreements with any country

    The emirates have not signed exchange of information treaties with any nation, not even the European Union

    …………….”

    (Of course – you can’t believe everything you read on Wikileaks – so please correct any information which is wrong (as I am doing with that which you have written about me :)

    You see Cathy Odgers – you may not be into ‘transparency’ (understandable if you’re into tax havens and the like) – but I am.

    Maybe you’re not used to people approaching you directly, and challenging you to your face over what you have previously
    published?

    I very much doubt that you’ve previously experienced that before.

    But I did enjoy your ‘spin’ (sorry – ‘take’) on this event :)

    Is it your intention to visit the Defendant John Banks, if and when he is incarcerated following this trial?

    He’ll probably appreciate visitors.

    (“Even rats have feelings” ).

    I understand that Kim Dotcom was looking forward to a visit from John Banks when he was imprisoned.

    Possibly if Kim Dotcom had been a beagle or a ‘lab rat’ John Banks would have been more concerned about his circumstances?

    Of course – I’d post this directly on Whaleoil – but unfortunately Cameron Slater doesn’t believe in ‘freedom of expression’ on HIS ‘blog’ (like the equally phony Martyn Bradbury with HIS ‘Daily Blog’)

    Kind regards

    Penny Bright

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  148. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Latest Roy Morgan – National bounce back

    – National 45.5% (up 3%)
    – Labour 30.5% (down 0.5%)
    – Green Party 13.5% (down 0.5)
    – NZ First 6.0% (no change)
    – Maori Party 1.0% (no change)
    – Mana Party 1.0% (no change)
    – Conservative Party 1.0% (up 0.5)
    – ACT NZ 0.5% (no change)
    – Internet Party 0.5% (down 1)
    – UnitedFuture 0% (down 0.5)

    National have bounced back a bit but are still vulnerable with a lack of partners, little change for the others with Labour still struggling and the small parties all 1% or less.

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  149. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Penny Tarnish is right….

    Bradbury is a nob and few righties comment on both kb and slaters rotten wood pile for much the same reason.

    Well done Mz Hysterical Cat wearing rate stealing Fraud.

    or do we thank the thousand monkey typing thing?

    Penny for your consideration is the revelation that many former act voters including Griff dislike con sedative jonnywanks as much as you do. He finally destroyed any faith in the party holding true to its founding charter as a liberal RW party.

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