General Debate 26 May 2014

May 26th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Colville (2,250 comments) says:

    It’s great to see the Voters have really accepted Cun*liffe and he is getting the lift in the polls that he has been waiting for….

    Oh wait…. :-)

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  2. martinh (1,254 comments) says:

    I almost had a little sympathy for Cunliffe and then i remembered the way he was on tv not supporting Shearer at the Labour Convention the other year and my dislike of him strengthened again.

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  3. Keeping Stock (10,265 comments) says:

    Seems like Martyn Bradbury is back on the Dotcom payroll. Perhaps he’s giving Dotcom strategic advice on all his legal, political, financial, public relations and domestic problems!

    But more seriously, the trend of protesting outside MP’s homes seems to be growing. There are plenty of opportunities to protest against MP’s without intruding on their family time, and it’s something that should be condemned, regardless of which party the MP in question represents. They are entitled to some privacy with their families.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/is-bradbury-still-on-dotcom-payroll.html

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  4. minus (174 comments) says:

    Cameron Slater –
    I have been threatened with legal action several times by Winston Peters, I once told his lawyer that I’d welcome the chance to explain just how Winston Peters won the Hunua by-election and he could tell Winston Peters that and see if he wants to continue the action. The man is a bully, a coward and yes he is evil.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/05/winston-peters-evil-cowardly-says-duncan-garner/#more-137594

    One great undeserved power of MMP is that a small party may decide which of the greater party vote winners can actually form a government.

    Should Peters again be “king maker”, does Cameron have good reason to doubt Peters can make a moral decision?
    Like, one that serves the people of New Zealand, rather than serves himself?

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  5. Paulus (2,598 comments) says:

    More Rogue Polls.
    Pleased to hear Cunliffe is not worried – assume he will send Mike Williams to Melbourne to did up dirt on Key.

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  6. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    The more I see of that fat German criminal the more I detest the mongrel. Now he is demonstrating against our elected PM at his home. That contravenes common decency in this country, something this fat slug is devoid of.

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  7. flipper (3,947 comments) says:

    The problem for Cun*liffe is that 70% of those polled are politically uneducated, and cannot understand why the non-policies advocated by Cun*liffe and his idiotic war room are not good for New Zealand….. and that the recent budget was a travesty.

    Surely the tax-evader McCarten will demand that Cun*liffe support his education union lackeys, and their demand that a Labour/Green government promise to introduce compulsory political re-education programmes for all New Zealand voters. :-)

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  8. Chuck Bird (4,831 comments) says:

    Former MP Jones in talks with Harawira
    5:00 AM Monday May 26, 2014

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11261638

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  9. itstricky (1,770 comments) says:

    The problem for Cun*liffe is that 70% of those polled are politically uneducated

    As said by the guy who has to make fun of a name using an unpleasant swear word to prove a point. That would actually be my definition of ‘uneducated’

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  10. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    What is germ Campbell going to do about this latest result with his loved left-wing scroungers getting their arses kicked once more? I suppose he will endorse the obese German slug and his entourage, demonstrating outside JK’s home, where it appears he will sink to any depths in order to avoid extradition. Get this obese piece of scum out of our country NOW!

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  11. G152 (274 comments) says:

    Any-one want to be a fly on the wall in the ‘war room’ this morning :)

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  12. Yvette (2,763 comments) says:

    Veteran activists Jon Minto and Penny Bright were among the crowd and were joined mid-way through the vigil by Martyn Bradbury and Dotcom.

    They are probably right.
    A drone to take out these four would have likely have messed up John Key’s home a little bit too. :-(

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  13. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    flipper: Imagine the meetings going on between “Tojo” Cunliffe, the union funds/tax thief, and the terrorist protector. They will be terrified there is going to be a takeover bid by rainbow room deviants. Grant and Alf appear to be leaders-in-waiting now Shane has seen the light. Tell me, is Alf or Grant going to be “Queen”?

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  14. martinh (1,254 comments) says:

    Winston wont be back in even 2015 the way his minds going.
    Martin Bradbury is probably the best asset for the National Party, even left wingers on National Radio hated him.
    I think the guy needs his head read even though i sympathise for any poor bastard having to endure the boredom of doing that

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  15. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    I’m surprised ACT haven’t taken a position on KDC.

    Would have thought the “individual rights” aspect of KDC’s situation would have been just the kind of thing they would care about.

    I guess the party of principle slogan only applies up to a point.

    If KDC is looking for some political support in his fight against the John Key Barack Obama coalition, he really doesn’t have that many options.

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  16. peterwn (3,239 comments) says:

    … and a protest outside John Key’s house will achieve just what?

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  17. martinh (1,254 comments) says:

    peterwn
    It achieves making me angry, these people are feral and should of be detained on an offshore island

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  18. Keeping Stock (10,265 comments) says:

    @ itstricky – were you aware that it was actually Shane Jones who started the “Silent T” meme?

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  19. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    KDC needs alliances that will help him push back against the National Party’s politiciisation of his case, and to win those alliances he has to pay his dues.

    Truth is if Helen Clark was doing this to KDC, he would probably have an ally in ACT and most of the people here who oppose him as a result of their regard for John Key would instead be on KDC’s side.

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  20. Keeping Stock (10,265 comments) says:

    … and a protest outside John Key’s house will achieve just what?

    Absolutely nothing peterwn, except perhaps an increased negative reaction towards those who are protesting.

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  21. lilman (949 comments) says:

    Was away over weekend and at wedding talked with a group of 20ish men who, all but one, were labourers and farm hands,some voting for the first time,none would admit they would vote for Labour.
    All felt they were paying to much tax,felt they were sidelined for young Maori at school and felt they were treated poorly by the system.
    All but one, said as long as Labour pushed there agenda before the country they wont vote labour.About 6 of the 8 said if Labour GREENS got in they would go for their OE as soon as possible.
    These is our taxpaying future.

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  22. Tarquin North (254 comments) says:

    I hear the intermana party held a meeting outside a house in Parnell last night. How tardy, couldn’t they find a phone box?

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  23. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    A protest outside JK’s (or any other MP’s home for that matter) will achieve the effect of proving to decent people that the protesters are utter lowlife wankers.

    Problem is these vermin see themselves as radicals pushing for “change” and as such any social activism is justifiable for “the greater good”.

    Will the MSM now pitch in and condemn? I’m not holding my breath.

    Recently we had nearly all our “leading journalists” condemn the old boy in LA telling his bit of stuff not to associate with certain folk…….. I think they need to bring their concern closer to home …….but it won’t happen.

    Meanwhile reasonable people will be able to make their own minds up, but the media exposure of this behaviour will be such that we the sheeple will be left largely in ignorance of what’s going on outside our elected representatives homes.

    The media is biased and compliant to the leftist agenda.

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  24. Tauhei Notts (1,679 comments) says:

    Lilman at 9.12
    You confirm my chats with young fellows; usually over a beer or two.
    Young women are more likely to vote Labour, though. That is the sad part.

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  25. G152 (274 comments) says:

    Maybe protests should be held outside Liebor MPs houses.
    Is this the best the ‘War room’ can come up with ?

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  26. Ross12 (1,379 comments) says:

    Fun and games to come in UK politics, in the next year or so after the EU elections over the weekend

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10855972/Ukip-storms-European-elections.html

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  27. flipper (3,947 comments) says:

    igm (1,112 comments) says:

    May 26th, 2014 at 8:51 am
    ****

    Sooner or, later the rainbow or, if you wish, homosexual mob, will realise that they are but a small, insignificant % of the voting population.

    Yes, they are motivated to actively engage and to push their agenda, and yes, the majority of New Zealand voters (me among them) are happy to let them engage in their sexual proclivities. But what the majority do not want is a political agenda driven by sexual deviancy, albeit one that has existed from (well, almost) the year dot

    What the rainbow mob have missed is that political appreciation circa 2014 is far more sophisticated than when, say, Sid Holland, campaigned for National “to make the pound go further”, or when Walter Nash sold the One Hundred Pound tax refund scam.

    Even the half educated twit has access to a computer, and abhors those that flaunt irrelevant Phuds…. or behave like Robertson, Street, Wall, and all the other left wing wankers. At least Finlayson and Hauiti have the education and sense to keep themselves to themselves.

    My message, dear readers, is that to win in Western Democratic Politics and to retain power/influence, individual/parties must win the middle.

    Cun*liffe and his rainbow/union friends are deluded because they have ignored the 70% plus in the middle.

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  28. lolitasbrother (626 comments) says:

    yes immediately above flipper that is right, I have been saying for a while that if 12% vote Green, the rest of us are 88%.
    Its going to be a landslide flipper

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  29. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “If you come back in 2017 with Winston, I’ll f****** hang round mate. Otherwise I’m out of here”, Mr Harawira said.”

    That is from the Herald.

    Are we supposed to believe Hone will walk away from all that glorious tax payer cash?

    What gravy train does he have lined up?

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  30. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Russell: The lack of support from ACT for KDC must surely be an absolutely golden opportunity for the Extremely Right Right Wing Party, of which you are founder, President and Board member?

    How is the Party shaping up? Got the necessary 500 members yet? A helicopter ride to the KDC mansion would bring back memories of flying in to work on some shitty old piece of iron in PNG….

    (Yes, yes, I am a cry baby and a half man, but just stay on subject…)

    Lolita’s whatever: Check your phone…

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  31. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    It’s too late for the “multi-cultural” UK. The Muslim infestation, the execrable disease, has advanced too much: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10854546/Islamic-school-stand-off.html

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  32. James Stephenson (2,139 comments) says:

    I guess the party of principle slogan only applies up to a point.

    What’s wrong with the principle of not second-guessing the courts?

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  33. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Manolo: Can we hope to stop the disease spreading here though? (And I completely agree that it is a disease…Surely we have enough evidence from the experiences of the Mother Country and Australia to see what WILL happen if we allow the percentage of Muslims in our population to climb beyond about 2%…Fortunately we are only half that now…

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  34. lolitasbrother (626 comments) says:

    boring message following: about David Garrett
    I wish to make a personal apology to you Mr David Garrrett for making a flame and insulting you on internet
    I sincerely apologize David, I have no fear at all , but a man must come forth when he has made a fool of himself.
    Please forgive me and let us make New Zealand even stronger.
    Farrar has marked me down 80 points I have to be careful, I am hardly allowed to write am now at minus 80 points
    Sorry to take your reading timepeople but a man must apologise when he has made a fool of himself, and I do Mr Garrett

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  35. OlderChas (24 comments) says:

    I keep trying to imagine Grant Robertson as Prime Minister, being invited to a weekend at Balmoral with his partner, Alf. My head just cannot get around that!

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  36. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    OlderChas: I know we are not supposed to do this in this Brave New World we now all inhabit…in such a happy partnership as Alf and Grant enjoy are there always two “husbands” (where each refers to the other as such) or in some cases is one the “wife”??

    Things were so much simpler when we had sodomites and catamites…

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  37. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “There are plenty of opportunities to protest against MP’s without intruding on their family time,”

    MP’s are controlling family life and how we discipline our own children which is none of their business.

    REASONABLE discipline was th elaw and should have been kept the law.

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  38. twofish (86 comments) says:

    In a democratic country I am astonished that one man who’s mental status is questionable can highjack the whole of the city of Auckland. – GoingRight, on Whaleoil

    • Len Brown is discovered to not be the Christian family man he presented himself as, instead having a two year affair with Bevan Chuang.
    • So, although he claims Auckland still supports him and stands behind him, Brown knows he will fail if he stands again for Mayor.
    • Brown wants to leave a legacy, his obsession, the $2.86 billion City Rail Link.
    • So start it now, while he can.

    Planning is under way to slash $2.8 billion of new spending at Auckland Council to control soaring debt and rates while pushing ahead with the $2.86 billion City Rail Link.
    Roads, storm water, sewer, parks, libraries and other important infrastructure will have their budgets slashed. The fiscal shake-up will come at a cost to core council services, such as new libraries, swimming pools and playing fields, which face being pushed back or canned altogether. An early start to electrification of rail to Pukekohe now appears highly unlikely and bus and ferry improvements could take a back seat to the rail link.

    $2.8 billion – quite a price to pay for Len Brown not being able to keep it in his pants.
    Pity he wasn’t forced to stand down immediately he was found out.
    Now he intends to screw all of Auckland.

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  39. mandk (949 comments) says:

    Extract from an interesting piece on youth unemployment and youth rates by David Chaston in Todays Top 10 over at Interest.co.nz:

    “When they were first removed in April 2008, unemployment by 15-19 year olds skyrocketed. The GFC no doubt compounded the problem, but it proved to be a huge own-goal. Since youth rates were reintroduced in May 2013, we have seen a relatively quick market response. Youth unemployment is now back to levels last seen in 2009 when they were rising frighteningly fast. They now seem to be falling quite quickly, but for almost eight years there has been considerable damage wrecked.”

    Just another example of how lefties are harmful to the very people they claim to help.

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  40. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Philip Hammond: People are just lending their vote to Ukip
    Defence Secretary says ‘most’ people who voted for Ukip in the local elections are protesting against the Government and will return to mainstream parties by the general election.

    Our establishemnt does have the message hence their anti MMP strategy. Which didn’t work!!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10855050/Philip-Hammond-People-are-just-lending-their-vote-to-Ukip.html

    This mad hatter argument is blatantly non sensical. This is the unintelligent dumbed down reaction to huge establishment protest. As the Brit media has commented, voters have had enough of ‘we’re listening’ rhetoric.

    This dinosaur hasn’t got the message.

    Our establishment did get the message hence their anti MMP strategy. Which didn’t work

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  41. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ lilman (748 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    I guess it depends who you mix with. I have students ranging in age from 20 to 49 and only 10% of them support National, and three of them couldn’t say why they did – just that their parents do!

    The rest are spread among Labour, Greens, NZ1 and 1 conservative voter. Plus 2 Internet Party and Maori (only 2 of which will vote Maori Party).

    All Students (university) were annoyed with the Budget, which had nothing particular for them in it. They were most pissed at the govt decision to take funding from certain tertiary education areas and put it into only those areas which were of financial benefit to the current governments agenda. They were peeved off that the govt. made it sound like they were putting extra money in, when in fact they were just taking it from other areas of tertiary study, and pointed out that its fine if a student is strong in Maths and science, but what about the rest of those (approx. 50%) that aren’t? Are they now meant to have no aspirations above working for Macdonalds?

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  42. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “A drone to take out these four would have likely have messed up John Key’s home a little bit too.”

    An honest Kiwiblogger who wants armed insurrection against democracy.

    Now we getting somewhere in the diabolical apparatus of the Nat Party.

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  43. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ mandk (761 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    So it is now back to what it was in 2009 when there was a GFC to blame, but now there is no GFC to blame, and you’re claiming it as some sort of victory? When youth unemployment falls to the lowest level its ever been, you have something to crow about. Until then, it looks a lot like desperation to me.

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  44. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Woman admits cashing dead mum’s cheques since 1983

    Pennsylvania woman has admitted stealing more than US$520,000 in her dead mother’s Social Security cheques over the span of 30 years.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/10056041/Woman-admits-cashing-dead-mums-cheques-since-1983

    Now, apart from the politicians, this is what you call a true bludger. If whale oil and Kiwiblog whingers were complaining about this kind of scamming they would have real merit. Although, only half a mill in 30 years. The pollies will be giggling.

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  45. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ wikiriwhis business (3,552 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Exactly! They want to remove the right to protest – just one step away from removing freedom of speech.

    If a person is particular about their privacy – becoming the Prime Minister of a nation is not the best move. It’s not like the protesters set up camp around his swimming pool.

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  46. lilman (949 comments) says:

    Judith ,you’re talking to school kids,these guys actually work.
    They actually pay for what they use and have responsibilities.
    One was only going to stay because his GF was a trainee nurse and she had to finish her studies if LAB/GREEN got in.
    Teachers and students aren’t the real world,they have simply no idea that all you have is what you can earn,produce.
    Not borrow interest free and think about living life in the utopia that is LALA land.

    You simply don’t get it, and that’s the real issue facing Labour,it’s about surviving and living life,not ideology.

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  47. mandk (949 comments) says:

    Not desperation at all, Judith. Just common sense.

    When you have 16 years olds competing with 30+ year olds for the same jobs, the 16 year olds will lose out almost every time because they have fewer life skills, no experience and are less reliable. Therefore, they are less productive. That is why 16 year olds need to sell their labour more cheaply, if they want to get a job. Better still, they should remain at school or go into a training scheme.

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  48. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    I agree it is not a good idea to protest outside a politician’s house, but people should wake up and recognise that we’re dealing with Marxists/ Leninists here and that is the kind of strategy they have always employed. Violence and hate is in their psyche.

    However KDC is merely looking for political allies to help him in pushing back against the political forces mustered against him by National and its supporters like Cameron Slater.

    I say you can’t blame him for not wanting to go to the US to face a kangaroo court and you can’t blame him for doing all he can to avoid it. How many of those criticising KDC here on Kiwiblog would do differently if they were in his position?

    Don’t forget, if KDC has any real political home it is probably with National. He did give money to John Banks and would probably be supporting National except he feels they (especially Banks and John Key) have betrayed him.

    As for ACT, they won’t help him because they’re ideologically bound up over the mythical concept of “intellectual property rights”. These are a bit like the horns on unicorns. The horns don’t exist because there is no such thing as unicorns.

    Property rights apply to material things, not concepts. (Leaving aside the more important issue of using NZ’s security services to try and enforce unworkable laws relating to such concepts. A complete abuse of govt. and a complete distortion of what that the GCSB was set up for)

    All that said, the real problem here is the sickening fawning over John Key. By duping people with his “good bloke” persona he’s taken the National Party and NZ far into the left wing swamp. Far further than any National party or Labour Party has ever taken the country before.

    John Key is the worst National Party leader ever and he’s taken the country far further left than its ever been. And we have people on here who identify as right wingers kissing his arse at every opportunity.

    Key has seduced so many people into left wing bullshit. He is a disgrace as a Nats leader, and a tragedy as far as NZ’s political history goes.

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  49. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ lilman

    You simply don’t get it,

    I simply do get it sunshine! I’m 56, I’ve milked cows, raised calves, cut gorse and scrubbed out enough shitty sheds to know exactly what is involved in running a farm. My family’s trust owns over 2000 acres of some of the best farming land in this country – so please don’t be so condescending to think that you know it all about someone just because they don’t share the same opinion as you!

    I may tutor uni students now, but I have worked since I was 11 years of age (a paper round) so don’t friggen tell me I don’t know what its like to earn and produce, or have mortgages etc. I’ve raised five kids, run my own businesses as well as reaching a high level of academic qualification.

    So sunshine – tell me, what’s your ‘life’ experience that allows you to think you know it all about everyone and what students who are 20 to 49 years of age might have experienced or not?

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  50. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Pill may erase scary thoughts

    Traumatic memories that haunt people with post-traumatic stress disorder might be eased by a pill from Novartis now used to treat multiple sclerosis, a study of mice suggests.

    Mice given Novartis’ Gilenya were faster at getting rid of acquired-fear memories, according to a study published in the journal Nature Neuroscience.

    The thought-erasing action of the medicine was linked to a newly discovered mechanism unrelated to its immune-suppressing properties that treat MS, researchers said.

    Gilenya, also known as fingolimod, is the first oral drug approved for MS, though its beneficial effects in the central nervous system aren’t well understood, the researchers said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/10084730/Pill-may-erase-scary-thoughts

    An option for Kiwi bloggers if Winston wins seats this year.

    But esp for post traumatic stress if Nats lose.

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  51. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ mandk (762 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    I agree, however to try and make out that the situation we have now is fantastic and the best – is rather stretching it, isn’t it?

    It’s an improvement – but it still has a very long way to go.

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  52. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “How many of those criticising KDC here on Kiwiblog would do differently if they were in his position?”

    id be twice as bad even if facing half the charge…

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  53. mandk (949 comments) says:

    @ Judith,
    Neither I nor the piece I cited said anything about the situation we have now being fantastic and the best.

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  54. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “How many of those criticising KDC here on Kiwiblog would do differently if they were in his position?”

    The simple fact is KDC is a threat to the spy technology agenda (GCSB) therefore the govt, courts, police will move to the utmost of their power with extreme prejudice to rid this man before he can ingrain himself and become a very wealthy and very substantial thorn in govts side including labours. Because the Nat/Lab coalition will never remove GCSB spying on NZ citizens.

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  55. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ mandk (763 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Fair enough, you didn’t. That was just how I perceived what you were saying. I’m sure in the end, we both want the same thing, and that is for our young to be self-sufficient and able to reach their full potential.

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  56. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Beware of the Aussie cops: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8850433/former-kings-cross-detective-charged-with-students-murder

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  57. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Redbaiter (6,615 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    Key has seduced so many people into left wing bullshit. He is a disgrace as a Nats leader, and a tragedy as far as NZ’s political history goes.

    I agree with your sentiments.
    As I am constantly saying, I am appalled at the level current politics have dropped to in this country. To see a PM perform like a petulant child, smary and spiteful is a very sad look. Key almost never answers any question presented to him in the house with a fair and honest answer, instead all he can do is provide smart-arsed “you did this” answers – which may be funny to watch but are a shocking representation of what a leader should be.

    He has reduced this country to a mess with his behaviour and standards, and in doing so has completely blurred the lines between left and right, leaving the electorate no choice but to vote on personalities not substance. Great if you’re picking someone for an Oscar but of F all use to the nation.

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  58. Lance (2,620 comments) says:

    “How many of those criticising KDC here on Kiwiblog would do differently if they were in his position?”

    Hell yes, I wouldn’t go around pissing off all those in power.
    He started off with good PR and then just fucked it up, again and again. A lesson on how not to do it.

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  59. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Redbaiter and Judith…a winning combination in ’14…Do you have one of the special gold “First 1000″ membership pins Judy?

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  60. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘Beware of the Aussie cops:’

    The trouble is Oz is so rascist the crims inside won’t know what to do with this bent cop.

    On one hand he’s a cop. On the other he killed an Asian.

    Diabolical turmoil for Oz inmates.

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  61. Ed Snack (1,835 comments) says:

    Jesus Judith, you’re probably coaching “media studies” students and you (and they) want the taxpayer to stump up extra money for their indulgence in gaining a useless qualification. Students are always greedy and want more “free stuff”, they love seeing politicians act magnanimous with other peoples money. Most of them probably wouldn’t tell you honestly how they would vote anyway as if they give the “wrong” answer they probably fear they would get disadvantaged in some way.

    And sure, your “family trust” owns plenty and you have “scrubbed out filthy sheds”, whoopidy do, we’re so impressed, sunshine.

    And just so you know, questions asked in the house are not intended to gain “a fair and honest answer”, any politician giving such would of course then get totally eviscerated by the media in a series of “gotchas” for doing something like that. You’re suffering the typical “golden age” syndrome, when was politics anything other than a silly dirty game, but one with real consequences especially for those without the power to influence same. The only real solution is to keep politics out of as much of life as is feasible, keep the crims and cons restricted as to what they can stuff up.

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  62. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    A judge has ordered a senior TV3 executive to appear in court after ACT MP John Banks was filmed apparently eating something pulled from his ear.

    Justice Edwin Wylie said today that TV3 last week broadcast a clip of Banks sitting in the High Court in Auckland. Banks appeared to pull something from his ear, look at it and eat it.

    The judge said he was “considering suspending or revoking TV3’s right to film these proceedings” and ordered the TV3 “editor-in-chief” to appear in court at 2.15pm.

    Justice Wylie said he wanted to know when the footage was shot and whether anyone had provided the material to an entity that could put it up on social media.

    Banks, the Epsom MP and former leader of the ACT Party, is on trial for “transmitting a return of electoral expenses knowing that it is false in a material particular”.

    The charge relates to three entries in the electoral returns for his failed 2010 Auckland Super City mayoral campaign.

    The donations were recorded as anonymous, but the Crown says Banks knew two donations of $25,000 were from Kim Dotcom and one of $15,000 was from SkyCity.

    The trial continues today with evidence from SkyCity chief executive Nigel Morrison.

    ———————
    Oh dear so now some Judge wants to censor TV footage.

    Thin edge of the wedge.

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  63. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Viking2: FWIW I cannot see my way to supporting Banks in this case…especially given that he claims he can’t remember flying to the Dotcom mansion in a black helicopter and making a speech (of which there is a video record) at Dotcom’s hooley…

    However…The Judge is perfectly correct. The New Zealand judiciary is more lenient with the media than the Brits, who don’t allow filming in Court at all…but they are determined not to become like the US where it is difficult to distinguish between real cases and some TV show…

    The issue is not recording Banks doing something faintly disgusting, but rather TV3 ignoring what will have been strict rules made by the Judge as to what they can and cannot film…I hope he revokes their permission to film…

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  64. stephieboy (2,673 comments) says:

    Birther scorecard in terms of unsuccessful court actions or electoral petitions against Baracka Obama in respect of his legibility as a US citizen. ,

    http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%20CASE%20LIST.pdf

    226 actions and petitions . 220 rejected found to totally without merit or frivilous as per courts either at first instance ,appellate or the US Supreme Court.
    .Six stll pending as of 2012. The very lates rejected .

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  65. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    Karl du Fresne socks it to an NZ reviewer:

    http://karldufresne.blogspot.co.nz/

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  66. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    “…..John Key is the worst National Party leader ever and he’s taken the country far further left than its ever been. And we have people on here who identify as right wingers kissing his arse at every opportunity…..”

    Yeah……none of the so-called right wingers seem to have a problem with the fact that Key hasn’t dared touch the 47% of public servants who were employed by Hulun. They are all still ‘working’.

    The tax payers have had to foot that bill for over 8yrs now.

    National = small government = bullshit!

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  67. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    “….Banks appeared to pull something from his ear, look at it and eat it….”

    Rudd got filmed doing exactly the same in the 2007 election campaign. He had to laugh it off for a week or two.

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  68. stephieboy (2,673 comments) says:

    Harriet , and who exactly represents the small government your referring to that would be palpable to the voter.?

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  69. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Jack5: I didn’t know Dave McArtney died of liver cancer…but if that is the case, and if McArtney’s drug habit was as du Fresne describes, then all power to his pen…

    (But I still think Hello Sailor was bloody good…)

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  70. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    What topic at ‘University’ requires a ‘tutor’ to poll students as to their political preferences in detail. I can remember being asked to place myself on a continuum regarding political leanings but nothing so intrusive and indoctrinating as ‘Judith’ suggests.

    It is beyond belief that a class of students should volunteer, what is usually a private matter to a ‘tutor’ with out prompting. Someone should complain that such ‘teaching’ is ultra vires!!!

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  71. stephieboy (2,673 comments) says:

    Three shot dead one seriously wounded at the Jewish Museum Brussels Belgium.Two of the dead are thought to be Israelis.,

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27558918

    I wonder if our Conpiracy Theorists will blame the NWO for this one.?

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  72. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Edwina Pio is my worst nightmare.

    Professor of fucking diversity. You are shitting me. Came to my attention on the aptly named idiot box – being an idiot I’ve got it on.

    One of those odd folks that collects academic qualifications like scout badges.

    Speaks a slightly odd academic fob style of wankenese.

    Someone is paying this fruitcake money to hold a bullshit position and she’s taking up costly office space.

    She’s got some funny ideas about how NZ employers should bend over backwards to accomodate all of the no compromise weirdos piling up from years of migrant flooding.

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  73. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (723 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    From my understanding your discipline was Law?

    It’s rather hard to avoid politics in political sciences my dear. The survey was conducted by a political science student in a research project they undertook in as part of a research design assignment. Would you suggest they instead counted the number of kittens the students owned – that would really be of assistance – not!

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  74. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Ed Snack (1,625 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Ed, my answer re farming was to another question where it was suggested I wouldn’t know the first thing about it. I do.
    It was not to impress you or anyone else – merely to answer a comment.

    I have had the odd communications and media student appear in my paper, but not very often. As a research design paper it is a cross discipline and the mix varies.

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  75. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (5,407 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    I’m not a member of any political party. Nor are likely to be given the current offerings.

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  76. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    I’ve milked cows, raised calves, cut gorse and scrubbed out enough shitty sheds to know exactly what is involved in running a farm.

    Well – who knows – but we can all agree that this provides excellent knowledge of what $13.90 / hour looks like.

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  77. Tauhei Notts (1,679 comments) says:

    Nearly 30 years ago the French news media spoke about how Dominque Prieur had been stuck in a prison on an island 1000 kilometres south of Auckland.
    Okay, we all know it was the Paparua Women’s Prison. On an island known as the South Island.
    Well today National Socialist Radio report that Sky City handed John Banks a cheque for $15,000.
    Turns out that what really happened was that “Sky City Management handed John Banks a sealed envelope. Inside the sealed envelope was a cheque for $15,000. Banksie handed the sealed envelope to his campaign treasurer.
    A gentleman bought half a $106 item with me. Next week he handed me an envelope with the $53 in it. As he was a gentleman it would have been rude for me to open the envelope in front of him and count the cash. I just pocketed it.
    Similarly, it would have been rude of John Banks to open the sealed envelope in front of Sky City management and examine the contents in every detail.
    The insidious bias on that radio station is relentless.

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  78. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    ‘Judith’
    Actually for research I would imagine that kittens would do as well, especially with such a small known sample, what was the sample? Actually, don’t answer that as you gaining information to disseminate is not part of the job description I imagine. Research should also permit anonymity and rights of refusal of participation.

    Assistance as regards to what? Research is process/methodology focussed by my understanding, you say political science determined the subject, I say indoctrination by ‘tutors’ and/or lecturers that should be apolitical is necessary. I can not imagine you ‘tutoring’ in a partisan fashion, you being so ‘passionate’ in your beliefs. One would hope that your ‘tutoring’ style is different to the persona that you portray here. Students do not have much if any choice of tutor.

    You just loved my kitten story didn’t you from TM, you have made reference a couple of times. I still think it was abuse of police powers to come and uplift a stray 4 week old moggy kitten that I had rescued, because I refused to return it on the say so of someone who had no proof of previous ownership and was clearly a neglectful owner, if it was the same kitten. The flatmate of said ‘owner’ was related to the policeman, might one add. Poor little thing.

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  79. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    Oops that should read no indoctrination, I did not go to university to be told how to vote. As I have stated before, I found Margaret Wilson very professional and non partisan during lectures.

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  80. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (724 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    So you believe a survey of kittens would produce results in a small political survey? WOW !

    Regarding the rest of your implied burble – the students were instructed to submit a research report based on a mix of quantitative and qualitative data collected from a project of their own design. There was no indoctrination by tutors or anyone else regarding the topic/s. The project undertaken was entirely of their own choice, and they, of course, received marks based on whether they adhered to the remit which was regarding the design of the project, not the results of their surveys or the implications of such. The topic of the research was determined by their particular discipline and their personal interests.

    Nice of you to go over some of the facets of research – I’m not sure why you would bother as my statement regarding the findings neither identified the participants/researcher or the institution involved. If you are trying to shit stir – you’ve failed – as usual.

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  81. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (725 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    As usual, you are way off key with your criticism and talking through a hole in your butt. I suggest you stick to stealing wet kittens off little children and wasting police time – you seem to be much better at it.

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  82. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    Not the results of the survey ….. and yet you felt beholden to pass those on, assuming that they were accurate/exist of course and not your figment.

    I am trying to imagine a tutors job description that permits a student’s findings to be used off campus or to try and make a point on a blog. Ultra vires!!!

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  83. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (726 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    No, you are trying to shit stir – lets not pretend it is anything but!

    As an academic (I presume) you should know that any such things can be shared providing there are no identifiers. As you know neither my name, my employer, the names of the students, the title of the paper, the names of the participants, the institution, the dates of the research etc, I’m afraid your whinging and attention is wasted.

    PS If you had read the entire thread you SHOULD have noticed I posted in reply to someone else who had shared information from people they had met – have you bothered to ask them if they had permissions etc? No – because you prefer to use your shit stirring only on one or two people. – Pathetic! You’re a waste of time and oxygen.

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  84. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    . . . received marks based on whether they adhered to the remit which was regarding the design of the project . . .

    Zzzzzzzzz

    Your steaming hot waffle is ready sir . . .

    Communication studies – you’re having me on. Here – try this – ‘The Language Of Success’ – Tom Sant 2008

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  85. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    Is that a ‘they did it first ‘Judith’? :)

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  86. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    Lack of spending on Maori slated.

    The Auckland Council has money for the Parnell cathedral and Lopdell House in Titirangi but no money to upgrade marae, says Independent Maori Statutory Board member John Tamihere.

    His comments came during a debate on a report which found the council had made a strong commitment to lift the lot of Maori but spent very little money on doing so.

    The finance and performance committee last week accepted the report prepared by KPMG for the Independent Maori Statutory Board, which has been frustrated at the lack of financial support by the council for Maori outcomes.

    The report said there had been “very low levels of expenditure on Maori outcomes” over an 18-month period.

    Mr Tamihere criticised the “tyranny of the majority around the council table” for funding projects like Parnell cathedral while ignoring spending on marae.

    Board chairman David Taipari added community housing on Maori land and developing a significant annual Maori event in Auckland to the list of shortfalls.

    ———————————-
    Now excuse my ignorance but as these places are privately owned property why the fuck should ratepayers or taxpayers front money for and if these projects.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11261658

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  87. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    Its gets worse.
    Tonight I hard the PM in his best mnoey mans voice telling us the the Govt. (yeh the Govt.) was investing x millions in this project or that. Notably drug rehab and the police dept. to fund their lavish travesties chasing dope growers.

    Please could someone tell Mr Key the meaning of investing. Clearly he doesn’t know the difference between investing, spending and wasting money.
    No wonder the taxpayer is screwed.

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  88. itstricky (1,770 comments) says:

    @ itstricky – were you aware that it was actually Shane Jones who started the “Silent T” meme?

    No; and so….?

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  89. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    golden: A little hint for those who fancy themselves as bush lawyers – and worse, think they understand Latin phrases…”Ultra vires” means “outside the powers; not permitted by law”…While I am no fan of “Judith”, her attempts to sound impressively academic may be a number of things…ultra vires they are not…

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  90. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    Actually David, I do not think Judith’s citing students work (unattributed) is inside the powers of a ‘tutor’ of an institution on a ‘public’ blog, there is no methodology at all, more likely just her opinion, supposing that the position is even held…’is beyond the legal power or authority of a person, institution or legislation, and therefore invalid. Butterworths NZ Law Dictionary Sixth Edition 2005. So I disagree that it is not a correct use of the term.

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  91. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Watching TVNZ snooze at 6. No mention of protest at PMs whare,

    no mention of TV3 banned from court for covering Banksie having his snot for kai,

    Gisborne is bicultural though (whooopie shit)

    Cultural marxist broadcaster should be sold off.No need for taxpayers to own a commie propaganda outlet.

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  92. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Bzzz – ‘cultural marxist’.

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  93. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    kowtow: So they banned TV3 for that filming? Excellent…I would have been disappointed with anything less…That’ll teach the pricks to follow the directions of a Judge

    golden: If you think that “Judith” grandstanding about what she did at an unknown institution with unknown students in an unnamed course with certain claimed results is ultra vires, good on ya…

    I personally would invoke the de minimis rule with just about anything “Judith” says…

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  94. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “Please could someone tell Mr Key the meaning of investing. Clearly he doesn’t know the difference between investing, spending and wasting money.”

    He’s a socialist, and he uses socialist language.

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  95. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    DG – you make ‘Judith’ look like a retarded drunk child wedged in a garage side door cat flap with a carrier bag stuck on its head while suffocating from the car idling in there.

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  96. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Have you got a job yet useless, or are you still forcing those who are working to pay for your food clothes and shelter as well as their own??

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  97. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    David Garrett (5,410 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Viking2: FWIW I cannot see my way to supporting Banks in this case…especially given that he claims he can’t remember flying to the Dotcom mansion in a black helicopter and making a speech (of which there is a video record) at Dotcom’s hooley…

    ———————————————
    Quite so and now his lady has joined him in the forgetful stakes. The facial expressions and body language of both in Court are interesting. He looks like he already knows he is off to the can and she looks about as happy as a pork pie in a synagogue.
    Rather telling I think. Banks has been a bully forever (like so many little people.) His time on radio was nothing else but bullying to callers.
    Karma at play.

    Doesn’t appear from what I’ve seen that TV3 broke any rules other than not being nice, (like Banks used to be on Air.), but the Judge banned them anyway, even after they groveled on their bellies and apologized for being nasty.

    I see also that JB is holding him up which surprises me a little and now some wanna be Nat. MP has put his hand up in an attempt to slander DC. Wonder why he bothers because the case is about the deed not about what someone else said at a barbecue. Either he knew, which seems very apparent to most people, or he didn’t according to him when he signed the doco’s.
    Clearly he did or he would be smiling and laughing which he isn’t.

    Not really sure why he wanted to keep all these secrets.

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  98. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Redbaiter – didn’t you type that you were going to fuck off and never come back ?

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  99. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Why don’t you find where I typed that or STFU you braindead moron.

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  100. nasska (11,143 comments) says:

    Indeed he did LR&C. :)

    ….” Redbaiter (6,437) Says:
    November 20th, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Here’s the deal derps.

    Kiwiblog used to be read by people with influence. Even GD. So it was worth the time and effort to comment here.

    Now look at it. Mostly a collection of boring prog trolls with fuck all of consequence to say about anything.

    (Excluding my RW buddies here of course. You know who you are)

    Sorry. I want to change the political culture in NZ and I won’t do that here with a bunch of time wasting nitwits like the Ekatahuna Imbecile.

    I’ve moved on to better things.”…….

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  101. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Notice no link, because if there was a link the snivelling lying coward Nasska knows that in the context of the message it is replying to, its says nothing about “fucking off and never coming back”.

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  102. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    DG

    Yep ,heard that on Radio Aotearoa news.Personally I think cameras don’t belong in court .

    Red: Great to have you back!

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  103. nasska (11,143 comments) says:

    Feel free to find the link Baity.

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  104. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Got a bit of time free Kowtow, & thought I’d amuse myself rarking up the usual bunch of liars cowards and commies who pollute Kiwiblog.

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  105. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Viking: I haven’t seen the Order the Judge made in the first instance, but it will likely have been that they can only show the defendant when he is in the witness box either listening to or responding to questions. There may well have been a specific prohibition on showing the defendant – or anyone else – yawning, scratching themselves etc.etc…..TV 3 decided to get smart, and they got flicked…excellent…

    Oh Russell…last time you were here you were trying to deny that you had said the gummint should somehow ban a TV station…and tying yourself in knots trying to “explain” what you hadn’t said…Give it up man! Get those old polished redwings out of the garage and put your old tooled aluminium hard hat ….play a recording of the brake squeaking, and relive the “good old days”…

    “Cowards” Russ? I greatly respect one Lolitasbrother who grossly defamed me last night under his own name but then made a fulsome apology this am…you however continue to skulk behind a pseud…all the more silly because everyone knows who you are…

    (Yes, I am a cry baby and a half man etc etc…)

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  106. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    There you go fuckwit. There’s one of your endless dipshit up your own reeking arse posts.

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  107. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Red it doesn’t take much to rark ‘em up.

    I reckon all you need to do is log on and you shorten n’arses’ life expectancy by at least a couple of minutes. It’s like the mad neighbourhood dog down the road ,just walk past and off it goes!Guaranteed.

    Woof woof.

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  108. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    “Got a bit of time free Kowtow, & thought I’d amuse myself rarking up the usual bunch of liars cowards and commies who pollute Kiwiblog.”

    Despite vowing time and time again that you would never come back to Kiwiblog.

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  109. nasska (11,143 comments) says:

    ….”Red: Great to have you back!”…..

    ….”Excluding my RW buddies here of course. You know who you are”…..

    How cosy….an intimate circle jerk for two. :)

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  110. cricko (289 comments) says:

    New Zealand needs muslim immigrants like we need a hole in our head.

    Dissagree, then try and complete this sentence,

    ” muslim immigrants are good for New Zealand because………?”

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  111. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Got a bit of time free Kowtow, & thought I’d amuse myself rarking up the usual bunch of liars cowards and commies who pollute Kiwiblog.

    Translation: Sadarse ugly loser

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  112. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    Occasionally those dammed Catholic Priests get it right.

    http://screencast.com/t/b8Px4CG2shXR :lol:

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  113. nasska (11,143 comments) says:

    cricko

    ….”” muslim immigrants are good for New Zealand because………?””…..

    …..the United Nations said so.

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  114. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Oh, I’m sorry – I should’ve found a classy way to say that Judith is a total genius – something more along these lines . . .

    “I hope Kea is reading, and will be back soon, I miss his banter, and I know he is intelligent enough to understand the point being made”

    Jude, when you talk about defining people by their views on a single issue, that’s the kind of delirious drivel that convinces people you haven’t a rational brain cell in your head.

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  115. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    “…….Regarding the rest of your implied burble – the students were instructed to submit a research report based on a mix of quantitative and qualitative data………and they, of course, received marks based on whether they adhered to the remit which was regarding the design of the project, not the results of their surveys or the implications of such. The topic of the research was determined by their particular discipline and their personal interests…..”

    Judith, you need to have a very, very, VERY SOUND understanding of probability theory and other mathmatical concepts to design a research project like that. Just ask ANY statician.

    …..on whether they adhered to the remit which was regarding the design of the project, not the results of their surveys or the implications of such……

    That then means that you are grading them on the process that they took – which is then almost entirely mathematical – or without the emphisis being on maths it would then be rather useless to say the least.

    I thought you spent your entire career as a type of social worker? You have said that haven’t you? :cool:

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  116. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/bruce-moon-gross-errors-in-guilt-guru.html

    Long read but interesting. Our current NZ is based on a fraud.

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  117. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    The message Narsekissa has quoted above is in response to JohnBoy’s question

    “Where the hell is Red?”

    And the ensuing speculation.

    The answer I wrote doesn’t mean I’m going away and never coming back, although I know that is what so many of the lying cowardly commies who frequent GD would wish for. That’s the main reason I wouldn’t do it.

    I just said I found their endless bullshit uninspiring, and wouldn’t be spending as much time here, and that is still the case.

    Nothing about not coming here to rark them up now and again, and you’re right Kowtow, they are like barking snarling vicious little dogs.

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  118. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Hey LRC, you didn’t answer the question.

    Are you still stealing from every other poor working sucker’s wage packet or are you earning a wage yourself?

    You useless amoral bludger.

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  119. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    What kind of pathetic no life loser do you have to be to get a cheap tiny thrill going to a website and typing scroll as a pastime, huh ?

    You leave KB – I’ll find work. Deal ?

    How much can you possibly type about someone being unemployed ? How many posts do you want to do about it ? Fifty? A hundred ? Get on with it dick. Hurry up.

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  120. cricko (289 comments) says:

    i predict

    My grand children will hold our generation to account for failing to see the lunacy of misunderestimating
    islam . (thanks GWB)
    Import muslim immigrants and pretend that they are our equals.
    We have the choice, right now, of standing up for common sense.
    Put the P C to one side.
    Realise muslims will never intigrate in any Western society.

    Have a problem with that statement ?
    Then give an example where muslim immigrants have immigrated to any western country successfully ?

    We can accept the stone age principles of islam or we can reject them.

    Do nothing and islam will eventually take over .

    Evil will flourish if good men do nothing.

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  121. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “you were trying to deny that you had said the gummint should somehow ban a TV station”

    Which I never said and regardless of whether they use a nick or their own name, only a coward and a shameless liar would make such an allegation.

    That’s why you always lose Dave, you haven’t got the self respect to control your own childish impulses.

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  122. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “You leave KB – I’ll find work. Deal ?”

    One thing I learned in life.

    Never deal with vermin.

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  123. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Hey Bruv/ Fot, what was the name of that forum you got banned from for running 15 or more aliases?

    Sportal or something wasn’t it?

    What kind of a cheap dishonest loon does that?

    Another prog commie without the morals of a cockroach.

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  124. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    n’arse is a fine one to talk about a ‘circle jerk of two”, when we know he’s jacking off at the thought of kea troll (a woman pretending to be a blokey bloke) coming back,he even has the dates!

    When it comes to lowering the standard of KB debate n’arse is the boy for the job.

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  125. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Hey criko

    What we now call Turkey is a great example of Muslim immigration. It used to be Greek.They’ve been wiped out, so were the Armenians. The last vestiges destroyed only a hundred or so years ago.They illegally occupy part of an EU member state, Cyprus.The Euro elites want it to be admitted to the European Union.

    Sheer lunacy.

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  126. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “When it comes to lowering the standard of KB debate n’arse is the boy for the job.”

    Here’s what he wrote yesterday Kowtow, and yet in the next breath he’ll deny being a commie-

    “The entire electorate has shifted many points to the Left over the past two decades & fortunately National have adapted & moved with it.”

    A good example of the kind or marshmellow brained thinking the right are up against.

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  127. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Vintage Russ – oh happy days – it’s comedy gold. Isn’t he a clever boy ?

    It’s ‘marshmallow’ mate. Lazy typist or just an ignorant noddy who doesn’t know how to spell cos he don’t read nothing hardly ever . . . hmmm . . . I wonder ?

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  128. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    I see that other anti Christian KB obsessive ,bigot bruv, has joined the barking mad pack tonight.

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  129. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “Isn’t he a clever boy ?”

    Clever enough to be paying for your useless existence you worthless parasite.

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  130. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    Shit time has changed things on kiwiblog. I can’t believe some wimp apologized to David Carrot because he’s on 80 demerits.

    Oh well, great to see the communists still firing blanks at redbaiter. And the big bruv blouse is still a boring keyboard coward.

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  131. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “I see that other anti Christian KB obsessive ,bigot bruv, has joined the barking mad pack tonight.”

    Pity he hadn’t got a bit of religion Kowtow. Might have saved him the embarrassment of being thrown off forums for being a cheating lowlife dirtbag.

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  132. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    Speaking of aliases Bedwetter how may do you have here given it is common knowledge that you sign back in to give yourself an uptick?

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  133. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Marshmellow brain?

    Nope ,he’s whiskey addled.Can’t drink anymore ,that’s what’s made him such a sour c#nt.

    Mind, he tries to pretend he’s funny by posting tired old jokes trawled off the internet, very sad.

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  134. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    Oh look!

    Bedwetters number one fanboy is here.

    How’s things D4J?, did you ever get around to telling us where you have been?

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  135. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Pity you didn’t have one tenth of his guts Bruv.

    You might be able to call yourself one tenth of a man.

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  136. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    kowtow

    “I see that other anti Christian KB obsessive”

    Anti all religion kowtow not just Christian, but you know that anyway.

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  137. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “given it is common knowledge that you sign back in to give yourself an uptick?”

    Its not common knowledge at all because I have never used any name but the one I use now.

    What is common knowledge is that you are a cowardly liar and a cheat who cares not one skerrick for truth, and that’s a fact you can’t deny for you know you were thrown off that forum.

    All you ever have is a mix of strawmen and cowardly lies and smears.

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  138. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Hey D4J

    It’s hilarious innit? They are fucken commies and Red’s the man to bait the fuckers. I love it.Best show in town.

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  139. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    Redbaiter

    Whose guts?, you cannot mean D4J.

    A man with real guts would not avoid paying for his kids.

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  140. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    big bruv blouse you are anti everything aren’t you. A typical distorted queer.

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  141. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    big bruv blouse I am in credit with my child support and my four children live with me. Fuck off with your lies you malicious creep.

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  142. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Thanks Red – thank you very much for your miniscule little tiny itsy bitsy iota of tax you pay directly to me.

    How much do you reckon my share would be of your tax dollars per week ? Is it even one actual cent ?

    Is it ever going to reach a grand total of ten cents ?

    I can give you a refund if you want – you meet me fella – and I’ll give you your money’s worth.

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  143. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Yeah, how’s the bisexuality going Bruv.

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  144. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    Bedwetter.

    It is common knowledge that you give yourself upticks, you were busted doing just that on Whale’s blog.

    As for telling lies, well I am pretty sure that you are the one who has made outlandish comments yet are unable to every back them up. You are also the one who said you would never link whore yet you continue to do so time and time again.

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  145. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “How much do you reckon my share would be of your tax dollars per week ?”

    Its not the amount loser, its the principle, and that you don’t know that is why you are who you are.

    An amoral loser who cares not one jot that he bludges off every worker in NZ and without a skerrick of shame takes from them the money they need for their families.

    That’s the real reason you hate yourself LRC. You know what a loser you are.

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  146. nasska (11,143 comments) says:

    Ahhhh….deja vu. :)

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  147. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    LR&C – youre not working yet? wtf?

    kiwiblog has been shit for a good 6 weeks. with shawn reaching 8000 posts in 4 weeks, kea doing his thing its been pure garbage.

    glad to have red back. hes one of the few who posts some interesting shit.

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  148. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    D4J

    Seeing as you were the one who raised the topic of child support, was it not the case that you refused to pay child support because you were denied access to your kids at one stage?

    From memory it was you who confirmed as much on this very blog.

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  149. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    big bruv blouse have you found your true sexuality yet? haha interesting times eh?

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  150. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Russell: Are those shiny redwings giving you a warm glow inside?

    D4J: Mr Paul Scott alias lolitasbrother apologised because he was going to get his arse sued if he didn’t…But then Paul – when called on it – had the guts to come out from behind his pseud….I have little doubt that you would do the insult but then baulk at outing yourself…But hey, let rip….If I am right, and DPF’s policy is to double the ban each time, you’ll take a veeery long holiday next time…

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  151. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Harriet (4,081 comments) says:
    May 26th, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    1. These were undergrads, in their first research exercise, we don’t expect too much from them. You are right though, for a postgrad or researcher they would need a high level of statistical expertise to provide a precise indication of voter choice, but that was not what they were being tested on. The purpose of the exercise was to allow them to explore and understand how both quantitative and qualitative data can be utilized within the same research project. In the case in question, the survey was quantitative and subsequent interviews with a sample of participants regarding their choices, producing qualitative data. The strength of the data etc was not important – the exercise was simply to ensure the student understood the differences between the two types of research and could demonstrate how/when/why they could/would be used.

    2. The process was not allowed to be entirely quantitative (mathematical). They had to demonstrate how qualitative data could be collected and used as well. The qualitative aspect is pertinent. The results I mentioned were only from one student – their qualitative aspect included a narrative analysis dealing with changes in the participants voting habits in relation to alterations in lifestyle such as aging, employment, study, marriage etc.

    3. I have never been a social worker as such. But I have worked with Offenders and in the Courts. I have also been a policy analyst for both private and central and local government. I have volunteered with Victim Support for a few years as well. Having got sick of working with the negative aspects of society, I decided a few years back to work in an area where the ‘clients’ actually wanted to be there – and later changed to my current vocation, which also leads to more contract work.

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  152. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    “…..A man with real guts would not avoid paying for his kids….”

    Bigot’s now on record for wanting to scrap the entire DPB. Although you can really only scrape that if you scrap no-faults divorce.

    Bigot has marshmellow for brains if he doesn’t then vote for anyone other than the conservatives.

    Or he is currently talking through his arse.

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  153. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    D4J

    Remember it was you who seemed so desperate to meet me, not the other way around.

    Now, care to tell us why you have been away for so long?, or care to tell those who don’t know why you refused to pay child support?

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  154. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “Mr Paul Scott alias lolitasbrother apologised because he was going to get his arse sued if he didn’t”

    i think he sobered up.

    if he hadnt and you did sue, i would have teased you forever

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  155. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    No Red, I felt like a loser when I was working shitty jobs mate. I’d much rather be posting replies on KB than doing some retarded crap job at this moment.

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  156. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “It is common knowledge that you give yourself upticks, you were busted doing just that on Whale’s blog.”

    Another completely false allegation. Commonly repeated by your clique of cowardly smearing commies.

    Whale’s lying moderator using the name “Pete” made the accusations as a way to try and account for the fact I was the most popular commenter on his site.

    In fact I have never voted for myself on any site. The accusation is just a hollow lie and remains completely unproven.

    Unlike your cheating on that sports forum, where you were clearly identified as the cheat.

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  157. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    Harrriet – big bruv blouse thrives on malicious lies because he is anti truth.

    DG – At least I don’t have identity issues.

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  158. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    LR&C – mate, are you sitting on the bene cause you think jobs are beneath you?

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  159. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “I’d much rather be posting replies on KB than doing some retarded crap job at this moment.”

    Yes, because other men are working to buy you clothes and food and to put a roof over your head, you shameless thief.

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  160. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “Whale’s lying moderator using the name “Pete” ” – i dont go to whale often, but this pete guy seems a bit thick..

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  161. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    Fair enough Judith. That reads about right.

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  162. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I’d love to know why an all round, good time guy like me gets down ticked by that Minus chap?

    If I wasn’t so up myself it would get me depressed! :)

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  163. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “but this pete guy seems a bit thick..”

    Can’t believe what a despicable little self important Adolf he has turned into.

    Anyone know who he is?

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  164. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Don’t forget the women Red. What’s that – is that about five posts ? Why don’t we do brunch Russ – it’s always better to hear these things in person so they say . . . brunch is on me. Well – it’s still on you. But not as much on you as it would be if you were paying.

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  165. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    Bedwetter

    “In fact I have never voted for myself on any site.”……..Lol, pure bullshit, you were caught in the act.

    We can add that little lie to the others, let me refresh your memory.

    1. You said you will never come back to Kiwiblog, you have said that at least twice. Yet here you are again.
    2. You have claimed that you have had many “victories” in your ten year plus war against the left. Of course you have never been able to name even one of those “victories”
    3. You claimed that you would never link whore. On numerous occasions you link whore on Kiwiblog.

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  166. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Dime: No-one – even a half man like me – can ignore being called a child molester…Whether he sobered up or not, you have to respect a man who apologises for – as he himself said – making a fool of himself.

    dad: for a moment I wondered what on earth you were talking about…”identity issues”…then I realised you were being “funny” about my foolishness from 30 years ago….you’re a card Dad, no doubt about it….so if you have no identity issues, please do share your identity with us…

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  167. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    D4J

    “big bruv blouse thrives on malicious lies because he is anti truth.”

    Were you locked up for telling lies D4J?

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  168. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “Lol, pure bullshit, you were caught in the act.”

    That is a lie Bigot.

    A completely dishonest and shameless lie from a complete and utter coward.

    How does it feel Bigot, to have a reputation all over the net as a liar and a coward?

    Can’t be bothering you too much or you wouldn’t be continuing to build on it.

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  169. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    dime – I never got any sleep for jobs. I’d turn up on 2-3 hours. Also I’m too honest for my own good. One fella asked if I was afraid of hard work and I said yeah, who isn’t ?

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  170. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    Bedwetter.

    No lie, caught in the act you were. (oh, and you were far from the most popular contributor on Whales blog)

    So what about the other three lies you have told?, I note you did not refer to them.

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  171. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    big bruv blouse is only happy when it’s lying on the internet. It is struggling with cowardice issues.

    DG I don’t talk to half men.

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  172. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    LR&C – you gotta play the game sometime

    “hard work? was born for it” (as you stiffle a yawn).

    maybe you should be doing some study? get a job that doesnt require manual labour?

    youve got a brain. you shouldnt be on a bene

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  173. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    DAD: You’re a card Sir, and no mistake…enjoy the short time you have here before you fuck up again…

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  174. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “No lie, caught in the act you were.”

    Its a lie, and repeating it still doesn’t make it anything but a worthless smear.

    It does make you more of a liar and a coward though.

    Every time.

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  175. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    hey cricko,

    here ya go ,a bit more diversity and multiculturalism to “celebrate” .Tell ya what though, they ain’t “Britons”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10856031/Hundreds-of-Britons-with-ultra-extremist-Islamists-fighting-in-Syria.html

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  176. cricko (289 comments) says:

    How, in your minds does calling a fellow correspondent a faggot etc. advance your argument girls ?
    Na, na, na nah nah nah !
    Actually, dime @ 8.06 made sense.
    You losers should put a line under all the ludicrous puke you have posted so far today and start again.

    Read what you losers have posted since 7.30. pathetic, cringeworthy, an insult to this blogsite.

    Try and lift your game girls.

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  177. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    An amoral loser who cares not one jot that he bludges off every worker in NZ and without a skerrick of shame takes from them the money they need for their families.

    Hey look – it’s Shane Jones puff hard logic. If I get a job – families will get back money that I was stealing from them. My employment is going to lift living standards across the nation . . . don’t spend it all in one place now.

    Well – if it’s the principle that counts – I’ll volunteer my time and take a few hours of paid work away from people with jobs and families to support. I’m sure they’ll love that.

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  178. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “youve got a brain. you shouldnt be on a bene”

    He might have a brain but he’s devoid of character.

    Probably why he’s unemployed.

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  179. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    A song for tonight! :)

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  180. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    Bedwetter

    So what about the other three lies you have been caught telling on Kiwiblog?

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  181. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “Hey look – it’s Shane Jones puff hard logic. If I get a job – families will get back money that I was stealing from them. My employment is going to lift living standards across the nation . . . don’t spend it all in one place now.”

    you alone? nope. BUT if we stopped allowing peeps like you to scam the bene, a nice big juicy tax cut for dime awaits.

    with 150,000 or so thinking like you, our country is held back big time. not cool.

    whats wrong with working at maccas? hit on the school girls after 3! “you suit that hat” haha youre away!

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  182. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Johnboy-

    Two dead people. One who is really dead and the other a prog loser who has only been brain dead for years.

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  183. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I’m sure LRC is meeting the stringent Winz requirements to look for work…

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  184. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Go away Bruv.

    You’re a bore, a coward and a liar and all you have is strawmen.

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  185. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Russell @ 8.18: “Anyone know who he is?”

    This is the man who “explained” to me that the internet is this unique forum where – unlike Letters to the Editor – anonymous dickheads were to be taken just as seriously as those who signed their names…You really are slipping Russell…You used to be much more consistent…

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  186. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Dave, the man smeared me with a vicious and unnecessary lie.

    Naturally I’d like to know who the coward is.

    Might even seek him out one day if its convenient.

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  187. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I know you have this thing about pseudonyms David. Can I say it’s a little ironic given your ancient history? I think Kiwiblog would be non-existent if DPF required everyone to post under their real names.

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  188. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    dime – bad example. All those beeping machines ? I would start smashing them up after about two minutes. I can’t go into a McLosers or anywhere that has machines going off like ten relentless alarm clocks. Stuff that !!

    Don’t make me look at fat ugly dumbarse rude badly dressed people for a whole shift.

    Bad example – bad. Really really bad. You know it’s bad, it’s bad – you know it. Rea-lly bad. And the whole world has to answer right back to tell you once again – who’s bad ?

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  189. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    “Go away Bruv. ”

    Good advice for a boring lying coward.

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  190. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    Bedwetter

    Come on now, all you have to do is admit that you were telling lies and we can all move on.

    You sound be used to it by now, after all you have been caught out time and time again on this blog and on Whale Oil.

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  191. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Oh the magical excitement of GD tonight. Where have you been all this time Red?

    I’ll pour another drink and sit back! :)

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  192. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    lr&c – id work at maccas before taking the bene.

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  193. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    Come on now D4J, its just as easy for you as it should be for bedwetter.

    All you need to do is tell the truth, where have you been for the last eighteen months or so?

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  194. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “id work at maccas before taking the bene.”

    Because you’ve got some self respect Dime.

    Unlike so many of the worthless knuckle dragging self hating cretins who suck up other people’s earnings without shame.

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  195. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    Are you a transvestite cop big bruv blouse?

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  196. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I for one am glad to be gainfully employed by my fellow taxpayers.

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  197. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Compulsive liar Bruv demanding that other people “tell the truth.”

    As much lack of self unawareness as you’d ever witness anywhere.

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  198. cricko (289 comments) says:

    Oh dear.

    This thread has been fukin pathetic all night.
    Same old, same old birdbrain morons abusing each other over and over again.

    Good nite girls.

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  199. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Mikey: I usually find your comments reasonably sensible….are you seriously suggesting that because I obtained a false passport that I never used 30 years ago I should somehow be precluded from denigrating pseuds now??

    Red: Last night the man who now reveals himself as Paul Scott – and all credit to him for fronting – called me a paedophile…so are you saying that in some circumstances (the “dirty lie” you refer to) anonymity is OK, but not in others??

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  200. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “I for one am glad to be gainfully employed by my fellow taxpayers.” a public servant? *shocked*

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  201. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Working hard for you, dime.

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  202. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Dave, the time you don’t break rules is when there’s nothing stopping you from breaking them.

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  203. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    cricko

    You’re new here.

    Red is one of the best contributors ,as dime says.

    Problem is there’s a bunch of loons who tend to come on and have a go the minute he fires up the key board.

    Then there goes the thread.

    LRC,n’arse, bigot bruv, dawinci , kea troll (n’arse’s jerk buddy,currently banned).There’s a few other hangers on ,mostly also other obsessive anti Christians.

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  204. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Just noting it was ironic, that’s all David. FWIW I don’t see any reason why that little incident from your past needs to be raked over time and time again.

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  205. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “Working hard for you, dime.” – well you are my servant. white with two thanks.

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  206. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    I’d go there to have a happy meal with Russ – and that’s about it.

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  207. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    D4J

    “Are you a transvestite cop big bruv blouse?”

    Mate, you really need to come to grips with your sexuality. In times past (before you got yourself banned, the last occasion being somewhat of a record for taking the least possible time) you were endlessly banging on about gays and peoples sexuality.

    I suspect that you have hidden issues or desires D4J, don’t be afraid though, you can safely come out of the closet these days, I am sure that the world is ready for a regularly locked up demolition worker to be an openly gay man.

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  208. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    “…..I for one am glad to be gainfully employed by my fellow taxpayers….”

    Comment…..comment….comment…….every fucken day.

    As I’ve said before – National doesn’t dare touch the extra 47% of public servants that Hulun employed. The taxpayer is stuck paying for that under the socialist National Govt. National fucken love Big Government.

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  209. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I never realised that being employed by the Lower Hutt Catholic Mafia as head cheerleader carried a Government salary till now milkey? :)

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  210. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Go away Bruv you boring imbecile.

    Stop goading people so you can run off like the coward you are and complain about them.

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  211. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Us public servants pop up all over the place, Johnboy. There are even a few over in Wainui.

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  212. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    Goodnight big blouse and by the way I work in a government department now, you rather irritating compulsive liar.

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  213. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Mikey: don’t be an insincere prick…YOU just “raked it over… again”…

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  214. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Nice to see dad back on KB to bring up a fresh new perception on diplomacy and public relations! :)

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  215. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    “Stop goading people so you can run off like the coward you are and complain about them.”

    This from a man who admitted he comes here to wind people up when there is nothing else to do at the rest home.

    Looks like you have been caught out telling another lie Bedwetter.

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  216. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Red is one of the best contributors ,as dime says.

    Bullshit. Here mindlessly timewasting by own admission.

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  217. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Are you working at the WINZ office in Wainui dad? :)

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  218. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Little Red Commie- It’s no waste of time rarking up losers and bludgers like you.

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  219. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    Johnboy all will be revealed in due time mate.

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  220. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Sorry David. Your thing about pseudonyms just made it too hard to resist. I shan’t mention it again.

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  221. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    lr&c – id work at maccas before taking the bene.

    hahahaha – you wouldn’t make it one day there either prick – now stop lying !!

    Little Red Commie- It’s no waste of time rarking up losers and bludgers like you.

    Good one. Keep telling yourself that.

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  222. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    “Goodnight big blouse and by the way I work in a government department now”

    Anything to do with prisoners?

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  223. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “This from a man who admitted he comes here to wind people”

    Never ever written one word of complaint to David Farrar and never will.

    Unlike you, you despicable creep.

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  224. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Good oh dad. It’s just that milkey keeps dropping hints. I thought he may have used his huge influence to have assisted you into local employment! :)

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  225. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Hints about what, Johnboy?

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  226. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    Johmboy I can’t say to much otherwise the nark master big bruv blouse will go running to request the demerit monster again.

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  227. big bruv (13,700 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Local or sheltered employment?

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  228. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    National are commies according to Russ. Everyone’s a fucking commie. If I’m going to have to find the link to every dipshit uttering – look – that’s too close to work for my liking.

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  229. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “hahahaha – you wouldn’t make it one day there either prick – now stop lying !!”

    id hate every second but id do it. id be management in record time too :D

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  230. cricko (289 comments) says:

    kowtow

    i used to b ‘bereal ‘ but somehow, all of a sudden i couldn’t log in under that nondeplume.
    “email address not known,”
    “that name already used by someone else.”

    Go figure.

    Maybe my comments got a little close to the bone. Who knows.

    Anyway, i have a new life as ‘ cricko.’

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  231. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Why don’t you go and watch some TV if you’re that bored Russ ? Hot in Cleveland is on soon – that’ll turn you on mate.

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  232. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    No sweat dad. Tell us the facts when you can. Hope you never had to get your job over here in Wainui on the say so of that Fenian apologist milkey. Put in a good word for me when I pop along to the office to apply for my gold card old chap! :)

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  233. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Stop sticking it to me with that pope card, Johnboy. It hurts. You know I want to get religion out of the rugby club.

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  234. dad4justice (8,056 comments) says:

    Will do Johnboy have a good one mate.

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  235. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    I’ve had it on good authority that the Priests have been known to shout a jug at the HOBM clubrooms now and again milkey.

    Perhaps you are bitter about them cause you were absent on the odd occasion when the miracle occured? :)

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  236. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Just don’t see the point in mixing religion with sport, that’s all.

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  237. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Well you guys voted to let them join….you only have yourselves to blame really! :)

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  238. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    He might have a brain but he’s devoid of character.

    Well – that’s better than just being devoid of character. I’ll take it. do do do do dooooo . . . I’m lovin it

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