General Debate 7 May 2014

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All_on_Red

Mikey
The Hercules are slow and can’t carry much. Certainly not compared to the C17. Oz has six.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-17_Globemaster_III
Won’t they need something to carry the artillery? How many 155 mm guns could a Herc carry? 1, 2? Pointless.
I see Boeing are making 15 extra on the last run without a firm order and they are for sale. Bargain time. They’ll last us 40 years.
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May 7, 2014 1:17pm
mikenmild

Well they are being upgraded now so I can’t see us buying an enhanced capability any time soon.
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May 7, 2014 1:21pm
All_on_Red

Goodness me, we bought 3 Hercs in 1965 and 2 more in 1968.
How are they still flying? Just amazing. It’s clear their time is pretty much up. Time to order something new.
The C17 are only $220,000,000 each. Hahaha
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May 7, 2014 1:23pm
mikenmild

I think they are like Captain Cook’s axe- three new heads and five new handles.
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May 7, 2014 1:25pm
All_on_Red

I see, not like The Labour Party where neither politicians nor Policies are ever replaced!
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May 7, 2014 1:33pm
Judith

Talking about National MP’s – this is an excellent decision.
I’m glad the Court has finally acknowledged the difference between this case and others.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/lombard-sentences-too-harsh-supreme-court-finds-5956101
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May 7, 2014 1:33pm
mikenmild

Endless renewal, or ‘rejuvenation’ or however you want to spin it.
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May 7, 2014 1:34pm
All_on_Red

Sort of, aircraft parts have a finite life ( hours used) and then need to be replaced. The term of that life depends on the type of part.
Eventually though you run out of time on the airframe and pretty much have to build a new one. The wings on the Orion spring to mind. Maybe that’s what happening to the Hercules.
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May 7, 2014 1:38pm
mikenmild

I’m not sure of the details. It was a massive refurb or new C130Js and we went for the cheapest option.
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May 7, 2014 1:39pm
J Bloggs

All_on_Red: Re: the Herc’s – I’d just retire the older ones and go for a straight upgrade to the C-130J Super Herc. No need to retrain for a new aircraft system, and the rough field capability of the C-130 is excellent for use on the pacific islands.

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. We don’t need the airlift capability of the C-17.

And they’re a snip at $68Mil a pop 🙂
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May 7, 2014 1:42pm
kowtow

mikemarxistmildew

Orewa speech.
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May 7, 2014 1:44pm
mikenmild

And the 80% was measured how?
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May 7, 2014 1:44pm
J Bloggs

MikenMild: Of course we did. Why buy new when you can just keep on No. 8’ing the ones we currently have?

If I did to my car what the NZDF has to do to its equipment to keep it running, it would be ordered off the road by the NZTA.
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May 7, 2014 1:46pm
All_on_Red

And they’re a snip at $68Mil a pop

We’ll have ten then!
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May 7, 2014 1:52pm
Ryan Sproull

The dial for Parliament today is at: http://ryansproull.com/nz-politics-buzz/

I’ve added live streaming NZ Question Time in the top right, and in theory a live twitter stream on the bottom right. Enjoy.
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May 7, 2014 2:10pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth , re FBI and CIA supporting KIev against Russian insurgents.? This is what your link amounts to,

“Berlin (AFP) – Dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government, a German newspaper reported Sunday.”,

Citing unnamed German security sources, Bild am Sonntag said the CIA and FBI agents were helping Kiev end the rebellion in the east of Ukraine and set up a functioning security structure.”

Allegations pure and simple and do you think Putin and his FSB are just standing idly by in the Eastern Ukraine.? I wonder where the street protesters got their shoulder rocket launchers from that downed three Ukrainian helicopters.??
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May 7, 2014 2:13pm
All_on_Red

Stephie
They probably got the rocket launchers from the Ukrainian army. Lots of Russians in that army
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May 7, 2014 2:24pm
UglyTruth

Allegations pure and simple

Supported by this:

CIA director Brennan landed in Ukraine on Saturday under an assumed name and held a “series of secret meetings” with the country’s “power bloc” Interfax reported,
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-13/did-cia-director-brennan-visit-kiev-recently

[The White House] said it was a flat-out lie that Brennan was in Ukraine and then today we have the White House reverse itself and say in fact Brennan had been in Ukraine.
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/04/15/358697/us-caught-in-big-lie-over-brennan/
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May 7, 2014 2:31pm
kowtow

Massive support for Brash on Orewa.

Other formal,legal polls conducted in local election referenda around the country on Maori representation reflect a similar 80% don’t want special treatment for maori.

We need a national binding referendum on this ,to put it to rest once and for all.

http://tvnz.co.nz/content/254475
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May 7, 2014 2:41pm
iMP

Why Libertarianism doesn’t work and we need some regulations on public freedoms and ‘liberties’ (ala legal highs and alcohol use, etc).

60 DIE DRINKING MOONSHINE.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/10018976/60-dead-after-drinking-moonshine
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May 7, 2014 2:46pm
stephieboy

U T,I still maintain that his presence is an allegation, pure and simple. Why go there himself in person when there are plenty of his subordinates to do the same job. ?
Like this former FSB deputy head here,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3144751/posts

The presence of Russian servicemen and the former Deputy head of the FSB in the Ukraine that you wont see or here on Putin;s Russia Today or Voice of Russia .
You’d be incredibly naive to think that the FSB is not in the thick of things.!
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May 7, 2014 2:59pm
lilman

UGLY TRUTH, hhhHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You made my day.
Now where is a drunk driver that speeds off and kills someone so you can call the police for everything you great New Zealander.

To your parents I say, “Really ,is that your best effort”

love the complete honesty of your post,it shows you in your true light Slow and nasty and ugly.
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May 7, 2014 3:23pm
Left Right and Centre

I wonder really whether this type of clever clogs smut is the kind of thing we should get on what purports to be a serious news programme. More they (sic) type of childish double entendre that might be served up on ‘The Crowd Goes Wild’.

I know what you’re saying. Is it all about ratings ? Appealing to the young adults with disposable income. You’ve got to speak their language and draw them in. Informality moves towards tabloid news style – which another section will find a turn-off.

One problem is you can’t please everyone. Too conservative and people fall asleep. Too easygoing and it doesn’t suit the stories. I guess it’s a story by story thing. You could ask the question whether sex video scandals are even newsworthy at all.

You have to wonder if the criteria is quality news or ratings. If it’s ratings first – they’ll do as much as they can to work around fitting in some of the ‘juicy’ crap like the sex videos and then try to make the story ‘fun’ by livening it up with a bit of ‘witty patter’. So – you get all the depressing stuff about who’s oppressing who and then they’ll throw in the lollipops later.

You’ve got TV1 and TV3 and then everything else – so there’s gravity between them. If one starts doing something the other one has to think about whether they’re missing out.

A lot of people would think the same thing – declining standards. I’m talking the general level of education of the young reporters and journalists and their lack of eloquence in their speech. I’ve always been impressed by newspaper writing – by wordsmiths who clearly earn their living through some mastery of the English language. They know their craft (again – with the new generation this seems to be generally shifting).

Who really knows how they make decisions about style and content etc ? They care about ratings – that’s for sure. Advertising dollars. The dollar will tell you if crass smarmy tagline comments are the go ?
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May 7, 2014 3:29pm
Komata

Jack 5

Re: ‘Would the Saab have been a good, cheaper fighter for NZ if Helen Clark hadn’t gelded our Air Force?’

I am advised that although the Gripen was considered, the matter of compatibility with equipment operated by our allies meant that the proposed US purchase was more desirable, as the USA, Australian, NZ and, to a limited extent, British military forces tend to ‘speak the same language’, and operating ‘common equipment’ made a lot of sense, especially in respect of spare parts and the swapping of type-related information. Trying to get spare parts from a manufacturer 25,000 km away, is somewhat difficult (especially if they are non-co-operative because of a government edict) while 8,000 km is, effectively next door. The fact that Oz was / is operating the F-18 was also a factor that was taken into consideration, as was the cost that was being asked. The Gripen was quite new and as such an expensive piece of machinery. The Hornet was a little bit older and, being more numerous, readily available from US stocks already on hand. The F-18’s were, financially, a much better deal.

It was an extremely ‘NZ-Friendly’ deal, but as we know, it is of course now sadly irrelevant. With the exception of one specific senior officer who was her willing ‘poodle’ (no names, but do a bit of research), Helun hated the military with a passion and as you can see she was quite successful in her determination to emasculate the services. As you may by now have noticed, and for now-unrecalled reasons, she especially-loathed the RNZAF, and her actions in respect of the F-18 deal is an example of this. As well, in an odd way it seems that she also saw the chance to ‘negate’ the F-18 deal as ‘one in the eye’ for the National government which she had displaced. The Nats’ had promoted the deal, so what better way to take vengeance than to destroy the most obvious example of their policies ‘Because you can’. Petty? definitely, but, being PM, she could so as she wished – and did!

BTW: You do realise I hope, that the decision to dismantle the Strike Wing was made totally by her and without consultation or due-democratic process? By such means do socialists destroy society.

It was all along time ago, but, unfortunately, the legacy of Clark H.E. still lingers…

Hope this helps to answer your question.
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May 7, 2014 3:39pm
Left Right and Centre

One of my closest friends is ethnically Chinese but he is a 4th generation NZer and is a real kiwi

So ethnically a New Zealander, not Chinese ? A NZder with Chinese ancestors ? How can someone be ethnically Chinese if they’re a born and bred kiwi ?

So I’m ‘ethnically British’ because I was there until age eight ? You must be having my on mate. You’re telling me that a person comes to NZ as a child – picks up the atrocious mentally retarded sounding accent for life – and they’re never going to be a ‘roil koiwoi’. Fuck – something about that sounds right up itself – hahahaha.
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May 7, 2014 3:52pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

New Zealand could buy Ukrainian Helicopters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8mVcTDd6Z0
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May 7, 2014 4:00pm
UglyTruth

love the complete honesty of your post…

What, this one, lilman?
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May 7, 2014 4:00pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Have to be quick though. Ukrainian helicopters tend to go plop these days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiAf8Jw6Aps
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May 7, 2014 4:01pm
lilman

Coming from you that’s a complement.
Does Penny turn you on?
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May 7, 2014 4:05pm
Komata

LRS

Re: ‘How can someone be ethnically Chinese if they’re a born and bred kiwi ?’

Very easily. From what you have written you, yourself, are ‘ETHNICALLY ‘European’ You are CULTURALLY British and, to a lesser-extent also CULTURALLY a New Zealander.

The ‘closest friend [who] is ethnically Chinese but he is a 4th generation NZer and is a real kiwi’ is ETHNICALLY a Chinese, but CULTURALLY he is a New Zealander.

It takes time to ‘loose’ the culture of the ‘old country’ but after four generations, the idioms, speech patterns, and general cultural norms that the friend is exhibiting and identifies-with will be very definitely those of New Zealand. He would know no other. Linguistically and culturally, he would now be classified as ‘Native Born’.

For yourself in this regard, as I have already noted, you are not CULTURALLY a New Zealander, irrespective of what your ‘papers’ and passport might say, and that you never will be. You are still ‘Too Close To Home’, and can (at least in theory), return there to settle should you so-wish. Your CULTURE because of your parents and THEIR background and norms, is BRITISH / NEW ZEALAND and, could even be , dependign on where your came from, be variously IRISH / NEW ZEALAND, ENGLISH / NEW ZEALAND, SCOTTISH / NEW ZEALAND, OR WELSH / NEW ZEALAND. Your children will be more ‘Culturally’ Kiwi’s, as they have fewer direct ties to the UK (although in theory they will now hold dual nationality, and could, if necessary, go ‘Home’). Your Grandchildren will however be different. Although STILL Ethnically European (I’m assuming no inter-marriage here BTW), they will be CULTURALLY New Zealanders, and as such have no direct knowledge or contact with the ‘Home Country’ that you came from. The UK will be a ‘curiousity’ that they COULD visit on an OE, but emotionally and CULTURALLY they identify with New Zealand and would say that they were ‘Kiwi’s’ first and foremost, Kiwi’s of European ETHNICITY.

It’s all to do with the way the words are arranged….

Hope this helps.
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May 7, 2014 4:11pm
UglyTruth

Coming from you that’s a complement.

You said: “love the complete honesty of your post…”

Your self esteem must be at an all time low, then, lilman.
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May 7, 2014 4:21pm
All_on_Red

Komata
Thanks- you express perfectly what I meant. Fwiw, I’m sixth generation. Ethnically part English, Irish and Maori.
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May 7, 2014 4:27pm
calendar girl

Well said, Nukuleka @ 12:35 and others.

TV1’s main “News” programme is dummed down significantly by any comparitive measure (e.g. its selection & highlighting of trivia, celebrity obsession, hearty chat amongst newsreaders, and always something thrown in – whether newsworthy or not – for the entertainment of the ultra-young, to list of few of its journalistic shortcomings).

But that would be solely the proprietor’s choice if the channel was privately owned, like most of its competitors.

The problem with “One News” is that it comes from a channel owned, funded and underwritten by us as taxpayers. (Yes, I know that it earns advertising revenue, but not to an extent that would service adequately the capital invested or the inherent Government risk of inevitable business losses as “broadcasting” works through its twilight years).

That a publicly-owned TV news source can continue to treat its owners / viewers with such journalistic disdain demonstrates how low we stoop in our subservience to old-style state control. Television NZ should be sold outright, now, to the highest bidder – even if that requires a financial incentive from the Government for some misguided entity to take it off our hands.
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May 7, 2014 4:45pm
Komata

AO
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May 7, 2014 5:17pm
Komata

(Don’t know how THAT happened – it WASN’T ‘finger trouble’).

AOR

Thanks, glad to know you understood what I meant. As is the case with the ‘Close friend’ previously referred-to, you are CULTURALLY a New Zealander, but because of your ‘ethnicity’ you are now in the interesting position of being able to choose your ethnicity (which must be fun at election time). Obviously only YOU know how you describe yourself, but knowing now your ethnic background, you prove my point rather well. Thanks.
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May 7, 2014 5:25pm
igm

Well, Christchurch City Council is in the shit for money . . . they installed a Labour leech as mayor, who immediately surrounded herself with lackeys, costing untold millions, and has run a regime of fiscal negligence. Everywhere in the world where lefties get control of others’ monies there is disaster. Look at Lecher of Auckland, and he is getting them further into debt with his socialist schemes. Wake up NZ, these socialist losers must not get control of your hard-earned rates or taxes.
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May 7, 2014 5:26pm
graham

Although I stopped posting on Kiwiblog a few months ago, I’m going to make an exception here.

At The Standard, on a post entitled “Judith Collins the walking dead”, Lanthanide made a comment “Given the rumour that she may be ill, the title of this post is not particularly apropos.”

Lynn Prentice (lprent) – he who suffered a heart attack and has ever since utterly lambasted Whale Oil for apparently making some off-colour comments about it – proceeds to show an utterly astounding level of hypocrisy with this reply:

[lprent: I’ve never noticed her being solicitous of the circumstances of the people she attacks. Why should we care? ]

Unbelievable.
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May 7, 2014 5:32pm
nasska

The vicious nature of the left open for all to see again Graham.

You should come back to the gentle camaraderie of KB. 🙂
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May 7, 2014 5:44pm
Left Right and Centre

komata – and would my children type in caps more than I do ? I think you’ll find that whatever a cultural NZder is, is morphing into a cultural American (I know – flippant). We’re starting to play spot the difference now. Young kiwis speak the yankee doodle lingo. Fuck – I do it. Not as much as them but still.

I take on board a lot of your points and I don’t agree or disagree totally – it’s all good fun. The marginal cases are interesting. So – if someone leaves NZ to go to Aussie at age 20 and then come back to NZ age 40 or age 60 – what are they when they return at age 60 ? They haven’t been in NZ for forty years and might not even have been back in that time. They’re still culturally NZders even if they’ve missed the last forty out of forty years ?

I could go to the UK. You can take me out of NZ – but you can’t take NZ out of me. It’s not going to just magically leave my head is it ? I would find it interesting that having been here 29 years in a row I don’t qualify whereas a ‘real kiwi’ can piss off overseas all their adult life and they’re a real kiwi no matter what because of they’re nth generation status.
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May 7, 2014 5:45pm
mikenmild

How old were you when you came here, LRC? Do you think of yourself as a Kiwi?
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May 7, 2014 5:46pm
Left Right and Centre

Maybe the true test of if one is a New Zelander is whether or not it is deeply upsetting to know that the opinion of a New Zealander is that they deem them never to be one.

mikenmild Yes
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May 7, 2014 5:52pm
Kea

Ugly what is the latest news on the MH370 passengers ? Are they still safely eating their Nasi Goreng and Chicken Legs with their Zionist captors ?

You never did get around to telling us the purpose of this cunning plan ? Or do you think the Zionists are simply going to fly the plane into an office block again ? Personally I would expect a greater level of sophistication from our zionist reptilian illuminati overlords. And why hijack a plane when they have a massive global fleet of Chemtrail planes flying around the clock ?

It all seems a bit poorly thought out to me 🙂
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May 7, 2014 5:53pm
nasska

….”Why Libertarianism doesn’t work and we need some regulations on public freedoms and ‘liberties’ (ala legal highs and alcohol use, etc).”…..

Why am I not surprised to see the pseudonym of “iMP” above this? Once again the know all conservative pontificates on the evils of recreational drugs & unlabelled liquor.

So all we have to do is run everything past you & have our actions sanctioned by your God then all will be well. What a pity the authorities overlooked your talents & settled for democracy John.
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May 7, 2014 5:53pm
nasska

UT will be back to sort it out in a minute Kea…..he’s just being updated on the latest conspiracies. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ttiztgmwo2o0odb/UT1.jpg
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May 7, 2014 6:00pm
kowtow

Did I hear the PM say Dong Hua lu doesn’t speak English?

If that’s the case how he get citizenship? Is fluent in te reo ?Or sign?
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May 7, 2014 6:11pm
Left Right and Centre

And if they can spell New Zealander – I’m having a shit time of it with typos tonight let me tell ya. Lift ya game sunshine !!
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May 7, 2014 6:12pm
Tom Jackson

Lynn Prentice (lprent) – he who suffered a heart attack and has ever since utterly lambasted Whale Oil for apparently making some off-colour comments about it – proceeds to show an utterly astounding level of hypocrisy with this reply:

[lprent: I’ve never noticed her being solicitous of the circumstances of the people she attacks. Why should we care? ]

Unbelievable.

Not really. He treats people how they treat him.
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May 7, 2014 6:18pm
nasska

LR&C

Not all immigrants assimilate the culture at the same speed….some from the ME don’t even bother trying but there’s a wide difference in the approach of various Poms too.

Most people commenting here will remember the “all ooot brothers” & the “it weren’t like that baaaack ‘ome” Poms who washed up on these shores during the 50’s & 60’s. Just about every member of the Communist Party & the vast majority of union delegates were rejects from some post war British slum. We welcomed boat loads of the whining, soap dodging, lazy bastards.

You are reaping the attitudes their reputations sowed. 🙂
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May 7, 2014 6:25pm
thedavincimode

narsekissa

You refer of course to the legion of British tradesmen – the ones that created the legend of British workmanship – best illustrated by the Leyland P76. Is it any coincidence that British Leyland went TU when they all moved over here?

We were so lucky to have the prospect of working on the Wellington BNZ building to attract them. Not to mention the wharves before containerisation.
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May 7, 2014 6:38pm
nasska

The attitude of the average British tradesman who transplanted his shiftless arse into the NZ industrial scene was unbelievable Davinci. If they actually had a real trade they considered that they knew everything there was to know the day their apprenticeship ended.

Obviously there were exceptions but I’ve always held a contempt for UK “expertise”.
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May 7, 2014 6:45pm
Left Right and Centre

nasska – exactly. NZ isn’t NZ anymore anyway. It’s StarWarsland multiculturalism. Same with the StarWars Kingdom and StarWarstralia. They all be fucked up beyond recognition – hahahahaha.

Yeah – I think I’ll go ‘home’ to somehwere like Bradford to be surrounded by ragheads. And take kowtow with me. Shit – he’ll love spelling it out for those filthy ragheads face to face.

nazzie – I saw you’re a 1949 model – almost same as my mother. Can I swap parents ? Do you know what her fave pastime is ? Sitting at green lights cluelessly like the car’s had a breakdown – hahaha. But won’t let anyone else drive – oh no. Screams in terror – literally. I’m not kidding.
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May 7, 2014 6:55pm
nasska

I think the “home” you may remember in the UK was being dismantled behind you as you left LR&C….you’d be like a square peg in a round hole over there.

One of the reasons for the hell of multiculturalism that is modern day Britain is overlooked. British workers of the 50’s through 70’s over priced their labour mostly via militant unionism. The fact that the government allowed virtually unchecked immigration, initially from the West Indies & then from Pakistan, was to get some people into the country who would actually work.

Then the displaced unemployed & unemployable moved here to continue their culture of disruptive militarism.

Edit. I’m getting a bit confused at times too LR&C. 🙂
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May 7, 2014 7:06pm
calendar girl

igm@5:26 – “Well, Christchurch City Council is in the shit for money . . . they installed a Labour leech as mayor, who immediately surrounded herself with lackeys, costing untold millions, and has run a regime of fiscal negligence.”

Given Dalziel’s haste to publish the first “shortfall” assessment of $537m from a single consulting firm, is she simply seeking to blackmail the Government pre-Election to hand her another half-billion dollars to play with? Isn’t leadership of a city easy when you act as a Labour Mayor with his/her hand out? Ask Liability Len in Auckland.

Minister Brownlee is prudent to seek further input from other advisory sources sources before taking on more debt for taxpayers to prop up Christchurch City Council.
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May 7, 2014 7:16pm
mikenmild

LRC – you are a Kiwi if you self-identify as one. A bit like being Maori, but with less social cachet among the latte-drinking set.
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May 7, 2014 7:22pm
Left Right and Centre

That’s one place I came from nasska

Swapping a Bradford accent for a strain of Kiwi accent – you wouldn’t care about that – hahaha Pam Corkese excluded.

Whenever I see square peg in a round hole now I think of a round knob in a square hole getting off. Random.

As long as you don’t end up stumped like this old fella
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May 7, 2014 7:24pm
Left Right and Centre

mikenmild – yeah that’s probably about it. I don’t ‘self-identify’ as one. I am one. I don’t think I’ve got a choice in the matter.
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May 7, 2014 7:31pm
Manolo

The effeminate Lynn Prentice, the queen who rules The sub-Standard, is pretty vicious.
Dear, oh dear. Too many meetings with Carter, Chauvel and Hughes have hardened that “man” from the Left.
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May 7, 2014 7:39pm
Kea

LRC – you are a Kiwi if you self-identify as one.

I used to laugh when people asked my Chinese girlfriend where she was from and she would reply Flat Bush 🙂
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May 7, 2014 7:49pm
Left Right and Centre

Kea – I’ve have the opposite happen – where do you come from ? And they answer with their country. I meant which suburb ffs
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May 7, 2014 7:56pm
Kea

OH NO. UGLY WAS RIGHT !!!!

DAMMING evidence has emerged SUPPORTING Ugly’s claim that Zionists hijaked MH370 and are holding the ASIAN passengers.

THIS JUST IN !!!!!!!!

Rice buying time for Zionists

http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/54391.html
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May 7, 2014 7:56pm
Don the Kiwi

Sounds like Kea is admitting being a lesbian 😉

Or maybe he/she really is a bloke. 🙂
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May 7, 2014 7:58pm
nasska

I see Saudi Arabia has a new website that allows citizens to send complaints directly to the king.

If needed, you can even submit a second complaint using your remaining hand.
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May 7, 2014 8:00pm
Kea

LRC, I remember one night this silly blonde asking an Asian friend how she was enjoying her holiday ?. She said she has lived here 23 years. She had just knocked off work and we were having a drink. The blonde then asked her where she was going next ? My friend said home. So the blonde asked where home was ? My friend said the street name. It carried on like this for some time. The blonde could not get it through her head my Asian friend had lived here about as long as her.

We had a great laugh about it 🙂
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May 7, 2014 8:03pm
Kea

Don the Kiwi, you try dating an attractive spoiled Chinese dragon and you might see same sex unions in a different light 😉
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May 7, 2014 8:06pm
nasska

Kea

As a church Deacon, Don’s thoughts are confined to matters of the spirit. 🙂
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May 7, 2014 8:12pm
Don the Kiwi

Good one Kea. 🙂

My dating days are long over – SWAMBO – she who always must be obeyed, my wife for 46 years is still the only woman I date.

But you phrased your answer very well. 🙂
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May 7, 2014 8:14pm
graham

nasska at 5:44 pm – Not commenting at The Standard either, just very very occasionally taking a glance, then remembering why I stopped reading it.
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May 7, 2014 8:14pm
Don the Kiwi

nasska.

🙂
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May 7, 2014 8:15pm
Pete George

Latest Roy Morgan is bad for National and still not flash for Labour.

National 42.5% (down 6)
Labour 31.0% (up 2.5)
Greens 14.5 (up 3)
NZ First 6.0% (up 0.5)
Internet Party 1.5% (up 0.5%)
Maori Party 1 (unchanged)
Mana Party 1.0% (unchanged)
ACT NZ 0.5% ( unchanged)
United Future 0.5% (up 0.5)

Conservative Party 0.5% (down 1.5%).
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May 7, 2014 8:17pm
Kea

Don the Kiwi , she was a major bitch, but I adored her. I don’t regret it.

Your sharp. I thought that about my answer too 😉
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May 7, 2014 8:19pm
nasska

….”Conservative Party 0.5% (down 1.5%).”…..

Oh dear! That’s sad. 🙂
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May 7, 2014 8:23pm
Pete George

Bad for National, a bit of a bounce back for Labour but still not flash for them. The public don’t seem happy with either, Labour still – 33% has been their highest this year in the first poll of the year, and National again – two polls ago in March they were 43%, then up to 48.5 and now down to 42.5%.

The smaller parties benefit except for Conservatives.

It would be interesting if they had an option “Pissed off with all”.
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May 7, 2014 8:39pm
mikenmild

NZ First looking quite good to sweep Winnie back into a good ‘ol snuffle in the trough.
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May 7, 2014 8:42pm
Kea

nasska (9,703 comments) says:
May 7th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
….”Conservative Party 0.5% (down 1.5%).”…..

Oh dear! That’s

Yeah laugh it up you gorse farming loser. Piss off to bed with your sister. 🙂

I am just the vanguard of a political movement that is going to wipe Progressives off the face of the earth. They’ll disappear like the Dodo birds did.

I am spearheading a force that will grow from hundreds to thousands to millions and you will be gone.

Redbaiter KB 2013
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May 7, 2014 8:50pm
mikenmild

Who’s up for a National/NZ First/Act/United Future/Conservatives coalition?
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May 7, 2014 8:53pm
nasska

While he’s pissing around tweeting with Justin Bieber the political scene is going to hell in a handcart Kea. 🙂
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May 7, 2014 8:57pm
Left Right and Centre

Pete – that poll is of 847 people. Who might or might not vote. Or might change their mind. Are they registered to vote ?

A lot of votes change closer to election time.

It’s a very small sample. Millions of votes are cast. At best it tells you lots of people vote blue / red/ green / black but apart from that can you really take it that seriously ?

You could poll again and again and again with a new set of 847 people and at the margin of the sample the percentages could swing back and forth. That one sample shows that fifty people who said National in the earlier sample didn’t say National in the latest sample. Fifty. Can you extrapolate fifty from the sample to thousands across the country ? Maybe. Maybe not.

It’s called statistics buddy. 43 / 48 / 42 swings – most likely due to small sample size rather than genuine swings of preference.

Totally useless for predicting support for small parties like Conservatives. Down 1.5% to 0.5% ? Have to allow for sample margin of error – wow – stats is coming back to me. If you don’t understand any of this then you’re really just talking scroll my friend. I don’t know much in life but I did pass intro stats at Vic.
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May 7, 2014 8:58pm
stigie

Oh dear! That’s sad. 🙂

Easy on Nasska, dont want Reddy back to give you a hard time about your sister.
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May 7, 2014 8:59pm
Left Right and Centre

Kea – he really made your day with that spoofy spiffy quote eh ? I laugh every time you quote it – it’s funny by itself but also hilarious how it grabbed you too and frequently re-quoted due to its remarkable oratory appeal. It’s a keeper for sure.
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May 7, 2014 9:04pm
Pete George

At The Standard Greg was quick to suggest I didn’t understand MMP. So I posted these equations.

Labour 31 to Green+NZ First+Mana 21.5
If you add Internet Party that’s 31 to 24.

He must be still trying to understand what that means.
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May 7, 2014 9:05pm
Left Right and Centre

haha – kea that’s just mentally retarded. Did she mention Barraco Barner at all ?
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May 7, 2014 9:07pm
Kea

nasska, Red claims he left because KB no longer had people of influence, so presumably Twitters school girls are now the ones holding the power. The guy is not only a deluded money grubbing monster, he is also a snob. He frequently berates those who are in blue collar jobs as losers, including farmers. Even though farming and primary industry are our biggest earners by a huge margin !

He is so far up his own arse he has lost all humanity and few have done more to repel people from the right. He should fuck off to Singapore. We don’t look down our nose at the common folk here in NZ. Especially those who are good honest workers. He is so far up himself he actually hallucinates his type may have a following. To borrow a phrase from the other night ” He is right of Vlad the Impaler”
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May 7, 2014 9:07pm
nasska

For real crap & pathos laid on with a trowel this gem is hard to beat LR&C. 🙂

….” Redbaiter (5,350) Says:
October 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm

RRM we will defeat you because although you are many you are cowardly and demoralised and disunited. We are few, but brave and honourable and united. In twenty to thirty years time NZ will be a Conservative country and Progressivism will be seen for the tragically wrong experiment it was and hopefully never again rise in the West. Already the US and the UK progressive alliances are facing growing resistance like they have never encountered before and it will come here too. The utter inarguable wrongness of Progressivism will ensure it.
Vote: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 7 “….
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May 7, 2014 9:09pm
nasska

But he does own a V8 Mustang Kea. 🙂
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May 7, 2014 9:10pm
Kea

LRC, I can’t find where he originally emitted that brain fart. I want to issue a collectors edition, with a huge discount for gay beneficiaries especially if they are married and Maori Muslims. 😉
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May 7, 2014 9:12pm
mikenmild

But what’s behind the new, toned down version of Reddy? He’s hardly even laughable now – just sad and pathetic.
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May 7, 2014 9:12pm
Left Right and Centre

Easy on Nasska, dont want Reddy back to give you a hard time about your sister.

It was like Obi Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader – good clean fun.

Sometimes it was like a ten on three flamewar. No wait – that was what it was.
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May 7, 2014 9:13pm
publicwatchdog

Oh dear ……

http://livenews.co.nz/2014/05/07/labour-greens-45-5-regain-lead-over-national-42-5-as-scandal-engulfs-the-national-party-maurice-williamson-resigns-his-portfolios-and-while-justice-minister-judith-collins-takes-a-few-d/

I predict a growing tidal wave of electoral opposition to this blatant National Government’s corrupt, corporate cronyism.

In my considered opinion – this is just the start ……

With this significant drop in support for National – how long will NZ Prime Minister John Key keep protecting Minister of CORRUPTION (oops! ‘Justice) – the Not-So-Honorable Judith Collins, upon whose watch the UN Convention Against Corruption has yet to be signed?

Layer upon layer of this giant corrupt corporate onion are unpeeling – and the public are apparently getting it, and not liking it.

To help fix this problem and get a legislative framework for GENUINE ‘open, transparent and accountable’ local and central government and judiciary – try this:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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May 7, 2014 9:14pm
Kea

nasska, yes the V8 was chosen over the girly 911 has he imagined it would, piss us losers off the most.

That quote is another classic that keeps getting funnier as the conservatives remain statistically invisible 🙂

He would still hang out here if you had not been so hard on him. He was not very bright and I think he felt a bit intimidated by you. He was clearly jealous of your sister too.
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May 7, 2014 9:17pm
Left Right and Centre

kea 9:07 – preaching to the choir – he was unintentionally hilarious entertainment though. The insults were top shelf.
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May 7, 2014 9:18pm
Left Right and Centre

The 1%ers are going to get ya house mate and then you really will need the tent option 🙂
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May 7, 2014 9:20pm
Kea

LRC what is your 9:07 pm about ? You lost me …
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May 7, 2014 9:20pm
Kea

Penny, get a boyfriend dear.
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May 7, 2014 9:22pm
RightNow

LRC, she is a 1%er. Losing her house would be the best thing that could ever happen to Penny, it would make her authentic.

Edit: I should have said it would lend her some authenticity. It won’t make her authentic, she’ll still be an attention seeker searching for a pulpit.
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May 7, 2014 9:22pm
Left Right and Centre

kea 9:20pm – 9:07 = in reply to kea comment 9:07pm. What a boring post this is – fuckin hell
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May 7, 2014 9:28pm
Kea

LRC, I followed your link. Read this and vomit freely at the “victim” language because the brainless bimbo was held to account !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575436/Dumb-Britain-Beautician-laughs-Twitter-storm-mistakenly-spelling-Barack-Obama-Barraco-Barner-sparks-inevitable-parody-accounts.html
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May 7, 2014 9:33pm
Left Right and Centre

Reddy was what he was but it’s the internet. You’re not really shocked or anything eh ? The good the bad and the ugly. Shit – he had a ton of support on here. I’m surprised he threw it in.
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May 7, 2014 9:34pm
Kea

LRC, I used to vote him up but not tell him 😉

I put it down to the thousand monkeys with typewriters syndrome.
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May 7, 2014 9:36pm
Left Right and Centre

This is how I found that story

Oh well – there’s always one and the power of the net to find them is genius.

People are really fucking nasty online. I have been. It’s a good point.
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May 7, 2014 9:42pm
Kea

LRC, public comment on the net is not a thing for the faint hearted. The greatest thing about the net is freedom of expression. The one thing women hate more than anything as they regard their egos as more important than ideas.

Remember that woman gets to vote !
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