Greens promising an extra $280 million a year of health spending

May 31st, 2014 at 12:10 pm by David Farrar

The have announced:

The Green Party today launched a $29 million plan to improve the of young people aged 13-17, including making GP visits free for this group.

This is on top of their promise of $100 million for health hubs in schools, $100 million for “retaining health care capacity” and $50 million for higher wages.

That’s $280 million a year just on one policy – which is basically the entire surplus gone. So are they going to raise taxes, or have us stay in deficit?

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43 Responses to “Greens promising an extra $280 million a year of health spending”

  1. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    I have a feeling if there’s a way of talking yourself out of an election this is close to the mark.

    does anyone believe this talk any more

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  2. jp_1983 (200 comments) says:

    Easy
    Just cut Defence and police spending by that much.

    Cannabis and drugs will be legal so the cops won’t be chasing crims anymore….

    /keep the greybour away from ppwer

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  3. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Cannabis and drugs will be legal so the cops won’t be chasing crims anymore….”

    The Eurozone is boasting of gaining traction via drug sales and prostitution.

    Also announced today is a return of synthetic highs in NZ thru another alternative.

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  4. duggledog (1,439 comments) says:

    jp – haven’t you heard? The Greens are going to legalise crime – think of the money we will save on courts and Police.

    So simple – amazing nobody thought of it before!

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  5. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Yeah that’s right. Just look at the data. It’s quite clear isn’t it that the most unhealthy group in society are those 13-17 year olds. We really really need to spend heaps on them, the poor bastards. Everything falling to bits inside them, why it’s frankly amazing anyone at all ever makes it to 18, these days.

    Seriously, if the Bedlamites are suggesting this group needs an extra $280m for their health, what the hell do they think other groups are going to need?

    I can’t wait to find out.

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  6. Southern Raider (1,755 comments) says:

    How they will pay for something doesn’t even come into the equation. They are like a teenager that’s been given a platinum Amex

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  7. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (841 comments) says:

    Yup – carbon tax, Christchurch rebuild levy, polluter levy, higher registration taxes for non-electric vehicles, congestion charging…..Wait for it rich pricks…you haven’t heard anything yet….

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  8. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    You misread the post, Reid, probably deliberately. It was $29 million for health of young people.

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  9. Rightandleft (656 comments) says:

    It is a policy that cold be considered a few years down the road as the surplus is projected to grow. Health is a key area I’d like to see some of that surplus spent, though my focus would be on further reducing wait lists, having Pharmac fund more drugs and improving Cancer treatments. But as DPF says that should be tempered by some tax cuts from the surplus as well. I get the feeling the Greens aren’t big on patience and I also worry that their other policies would destroy the surplus before it ever grew large enough to consider such spending.

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  10. Judith (8,463 comments) says:

    @ wikiriwhis business (3,582 comments) says:
    May 31st, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    I believe it as much as I believe National are putting in an extra $14 million to tertiary education, when in fact they are taking that amount from one sector of tertiary education and giving it to another. I believe it as much as I believe in reality we have a ‘surplus’.

    If I applied for a bank loan, and tried to pass off my ‘cash’ (surplus) in the same manner the government has tried to pass their surplus off as ‘spending money’ – I’d be done for fraud.

    The Greens are as believable as the rest of them. Even if their intentions are more honourable.

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  11. Bob (496 comments) says:

    Typical Leftists for both the Greens and Harre. The first policies are giveaways. What are their policies on boosting industry to create more jobs? Are the Greens serious about reducing dairying for environmental reasons?

    I used to think MMP was good allowing small parties a foot in the door. Now the thought of all the small parties getting together and out polling National makes me shudder.

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  12. JC (933 comments) says:

    “If I applied for a bank loan, and tried to pass off my ‘cash’ (surplus) in the same manner the government has tried to pass their surplus off as ‘spending money’ – I’d be done for fraud.”

    Your bank is *extremely* interested in your future surplus as well as your future prospects.. esp if you want to borrow a lot.

    What the Govt is doing in announcing a surplus is pretty close to about the most common form of accounting.. accrual accounting.

    JC

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  13. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    With Vote Health being over $14 billion per year, we are hardly taking about huge increases here. Even National increased health spending by over $300 million in the latest budget.

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  14. Nuwanda (83 comments) says:

    Ahem, and what do you think the recently announced free doctor visits for kids is going to turn into in a few years? $100 million will quickly morph into something much more expensive as parents work out (as the smarter ones will already have done) that since it’s free, you might as well use it, and use it often.

    We’ve already got a GP shortage, so any guess as to what the new policy is going to do to crowded waiting rooms, and to consultation fees for everyone else?

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  15. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    That’s $280 million a year just on one policy – which is basically the entire surplus gone. So are they going to raise taxes, or have us stay in deficit?

    The Luddites do not care. Their objective is the economic destruction of the country, to turn us into self-sufficient farmers plowing the fields with cart and oxen.

    As long as Gaia is happy, we, the citizens of the country, do not matter.

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  16. gravedodger (1,528 comments) says:

    @ Judith 12 36,
    “The Greens are as believable as the rest of them. Even if their intentions are more honourable.”

    Bollocks they joined the Hikoi to Coatsville just as every charlatan from all the other parties you pray will come together to unseat that bloody John Key come Sept 20th, did.

    We will never know what Commie Norman talked over with the extradition avoider but just going there in that time frame disqualifies the entire GP from any vestige of Honor.
    Even begging for OGRE (obese german remaining ere) not to form his political vehicle for the avoidance of justice, was a serious move against this country’s rule of law, and therefore a reasonably serious act of treason.

    Selling out for a few pieces of silver is bad enough but as an alleged move to circumvent a binding system for the extradition of felons to an ally with well established oversight for a review by the Justice Minister, it was anything but honorable.

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  17. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    I get extremely concerned here when I see fringe partys offering inducements to young folks at the expense of the farming lobby wot are after all the driving force of the resurrection of the economy of Godzone! :)

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  18. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    Afternoon Judith. Have you managed to reduce your waist to sub 40″ diameter since we last chatted? :)

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  19. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Free vets visits for your lambs, Johnboy?

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  20. gravedodger (1,528 comments) says:

    FFS nothing is ever free it is merely paid for by someone else.
    Wake up people and get a grip on the narrative it is election year.

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  21. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    Wow 4 down votes MM for pointing out a obvious misread of DPFs (naturally carefully worded to imply something) post. This is like the angry braying mob. Hell hath no fury like a righty scorned….

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  22. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    Milkey’s a PSA man gravedodger. All his useless life he’s had freebies at the real workers expense.

    He pop’s on here at KB with the mindset that all of us get free stuff.

    Just ignore him. He can’t even predict how badly HOBM will do in the Jubilee Cup! :)

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  23. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    That’s if they get there of course! :)

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  24. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Just wait and see Johnboy, wait and see.

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  25. muggins (3,315 comments) says:

    Hey, if the Greens get in maybe I won’t have to wait four years for a hip op.

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  26. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    Tell us of your glorious career as a Union Man Milkey? :)

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  27. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    for Milkey! :)

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  28. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    “The Greens are as believable as the rest of them. Even if their intentions are more honourable.”

    Judith, the intentions of most ten year olds are also usually honourable, but that doesn’t make them worth listening to on any subject of import, does it.

    The Bedlamites are the most idiotic, mental bunch of morons I’ve ever seen. What makes it worse is that, unlike ten-year olds, they’re arrogant, supercilious and sanctimonious morons as well. Why the hell the media do anything except roar with laughter whenever they bray anything at all, I have no idea. The only thing they’ve contributed to society in anyway in all their years inhabiting our political system is that their continued presence provides irrefutable scientific evidence of the validity of the Bell curve mathematics, in that they’re a living demonstration of the fact that a given proportion of any population is likely to fall along the outlier areas if you calculate the sanity or otherwise of the entire population. And I’m afraid I happen to think that relatively insignificant and indeed, unintentional “achievement” is a very poor return on the value for money equation in return for what my taxes have given them, over the years.

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  29. Fisiani (996 comments) says:

    The Greens say they will spend $280,000,000 of your money on their pet health projects.
    Laila Harre says that the first priority of the Internet party is free tertiary education. That comes at a mouth watering cost of $2,400,000,000. Add in free internet at another $2,000,000,000 and then a write off of student debt and you come to a bill of nearly $5,000,000,000 before we add in Labour’s baby bribe and paid parental leave to the rich and we are looking at yet another huge attack on the New Zealand economy. Just think of the damage they could do in 1,000 days in office.

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  30. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (841 comments) says:

    mikenmild (9,669 comments) says:
    May 31st, 2014 at 12:32 pm
    You misread the post, Reid, probably deliberately. It was $29 million for health of young people.

    Yes milkmaid, if the govt spends another 29B, then the health of the whole nation can be taken care of.

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  31. B A W (98 comments) says:

    And where is this money going to be spent?

    Are we just going to pad the pockets of administrators who work in these sectors?

    Where are we going to get the most bang for buck?

    NZ spends 10% of GDP on healthcare Singapore spends under 5% therefore we are spending too much.

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  32. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “free internet at another $2,000,000,000 ”

    This is not an original Green policy. Bill Clinton is advocating free internet world wide.

    This is for police state purposes of Orwellian proportions.

    If you still do not believe big brother exists you probably still believe we live in a 1980′s pre crash economy.

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  33. Ross12 (1,284 comments) says:

    The reality is that the Greens , the Internet Party , Mana and any other small party CANNOT PROMISE anything. All they can do is say they would to lobby the other parties in the mob ( if they get into Govt.) and hope they can convince them to change something. That is their limit.

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  34. hj (6,754 comments) says:

    The Greens have a simple formula

    increase “x” – increase green technology “y”.
    They are magical thinkers.

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  35. projectman (206 comments) says:

    It has been said many times, but always worth repeating: “the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples’ money”.

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  36. OneTrack (2,838 comments) says:

    fisiani – “Just think of the damage they could do in 1,000 days in office.”

    They won’t need anything like 1000 days to do the damage.

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  37. Unity (416 comments) says:

    Typical. I wondered when the big spending ideas would issue. It gives me the heebies just thinking of them being in charge of our purse strings. This country is already going down the gurgler with racial preference but the Greens would probably bankrupt it in one term.

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  38. Harriet (4,623 comments) says:

    “……This is on top of their promise of $100 million for health hubs in schools….”

    Gay sex and abortion indoctrination – hidden behind ‘health privacy’.

    The left hate the family as parents are naturaly straight – and a male is involved!

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  39. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    Harriet/Harry – as your primary school teacher no doubt told you at one point in your life – it’s not *always* about you.

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  40. itstricky (1,701 comments) says:

    As long as Gaia is happy, we, the citizens of the country, do not matter.

    Just in case you forgot (I mean it was just a couple of weeks ago) :

    A $500 million support package for families and children… … …are all features of Budget 2014, Prime Minister John Key says

    Finance Minister Bill English has delivered an election-year Budget that delivers a bigger than forecast surplus, free doctors’ visits for 400,000 more children
    While new spending includes a well-flagged extension to paid parental leave, it also features $90 million over three years from next year to extend free doctors’ visits and prescriptions to all children under 13.

    $17.8 million for post-graduate education and training of doctors.

    $4.7 million for teacher aide support for students with high health needs.

    And so on…

    Can we use your logic, David, to say that the country could have had a bigger surplus if it wasn’t for those damn Nats spending all the money on their pet Health projects? That would include – you should see – extending free health care for children – much like the Greens are proposing.

    Sesssh, if you thought there would be anything that everyone would agree money should go to it would be health. Election year bollocks, David, election year bollocks.

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  41. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    It’s an obvious development the free health visits till the age of 18, the same as for dental care.

    While one could means test the former, there are visits to health professionals that teens would make independent of their parents …

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  42. deadrightkev (343 comments) says:

    “That’s $280 million a year just on one policy – which is basically the entire surplus gone. So are they going to raise taxes, or have us stay in deficit?”

    Cmon David, that is tragic joke surplus anyway.

    Jamie Whyte was conservative when he picked up over $4 billion in spending that could be stopped. Its about leadership and creating a dynamic economy long-term. Only tax cuts will deliver that. All we get from National is wafer thin politically manufactured surpluses followed by more spending to shut down the left. Is that all National as got?

    When is the real reform for NZ prosperity coming?

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  43. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    Thanks for the song, John Boy!

    Great lyrics, great tune!

    Great sentiments, too!

    Have never been able to understand why so many conservatives hate unions. What’s more my conservative friends can’t explain it either!

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