John Key’s secret donkey

May 21st, 2014 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Prime Minister has declared he once owned a stake in a racehorse, a week after NZ First leader Winston Peters faced controversy over his share in a racing syndicate.

Key said he owned the horse, which he dubbed a “donkey” due to its lack of racing success, as part of a syndicate with nine other people.

Key bought his share in 2007 and sold it in 2008. He never thought to declare it in Parliament’s register of pecuniary interest until he was asked about it by media, he said.

“I can’t see why I’d need to declare it, but honestly it’s so long ago I can’t really be bothered going through the arguments so I’ve declared it.”

Key said the horse was a failure and said he had never kept his prior ownership a secret.

“It should be more correctly referred to a donkey than a horse.

“I think it managed to win one race where everyone else was running in the other direction and it now lives in Noumea – apparently, hopefully, a happy life.”

Winston could learn some lessons about about how to deal with questions over racehorse ownership!

I await Campbell Live revealing that John Key’s former donkey is in fact Player X in the cricket match fixing scandal!

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47 Responses to “John Key’s secret donkey”

  1. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  2. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Winston should learn how to sit the MCI test

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  3. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Aah Happy Mischief……..

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  4. David Farrar (1,856 comments) says:

    MartinH: Yes, absolutely. To say otherwise means you believe that a dozen GCSB staffers, the Director and the PM are all lying as part of a giant conspiracy. Go back to your tin foil hat.

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  5. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    martinh: You must now be getting close to receiving an invitation to the rainbow room, “right up your alley” with your left-wing weasels.

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  6. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    David Farrar
    Ok thanks for your answer,
    No need to get nasty,
    im amazed that you dont think people in the GCSB are above lying, i thought all people can do that especially to protect their own.

    Even Sean Plunket is saying hes lied on radio this morning

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  7. lolitasbrother (486 comments) says:

    the value of this column is dropping.
    I recommend Kiwipolitico, haha just joking , how about American thinker, or
    Parliament NZCPR site http://www.nzcpr.com/parliament/

    in my opinion Farrars site is washing down to trivial meaningless political junk

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  8. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Well in summary i think DPF should for the benefit of himself and his readers open his mind and read the covering up of Watergate to begin with.

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  9. BeaB (2,060 comments) says:

    There’s a whole mad little world of conspiracy theorists.
    I for one am very glad we have brave men and women prepared to enter the world of international espionage to protect the rest of us. Pollyannas may believe its a benign universe but I don’t.

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  10. Lance (2,457 comments) says:

    @lolitasbrother
    Nobody is forcing you to read this site, just piss off. Everyone will be be the better for it.

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  11. Lance (2,457 comments) says:

    @martinh
    “I and your readership”…

    Since when did you speak for me?

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  12. Ed Snack (1,738 comments) says:

    I think the Watergate scandal is very instructive…on the decline of the US media. But Nixon would have been a hero had he got the free pass with the media that Obama gets (nothing to see here, move along, it was over two years ago, and just because we held onto a key email for two years doesn’t mean that it it isn’t old news and move along, nothing to see here).

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  13. Judith (7,650 comments) says:

    So now we have Donkey Gate.

    Just a few weeks from a general election and we are hearing all about who owned the arse end of an old nag and forgot to tell us.

    FFS – where are the bloody policies? Doesn’t anyone care what each party has lined up for this country?

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  14. lolitasbrother (486 comments) says:

    I would like to show the sad level of debate that occurs here,
    since I took the liberty above of saying Farrar site was degenerating..
    I think I have a reasonable point. I know we should stick to the basic discussion and format and I do.
    But I have a valid point generally, about the dumbing down of this site

    here then the idiot redneck sad Lance toward me

    Lance (2,329 comments) says: May 21st, 2014 at 9:40 am @lolitasbrother

    quote ” Nobody is forcing you to read this site, just piss off. Everyone will be be the better for it.” unquote

    this is what i mean by the dumbing down of this site Lance, Lance? are you there Lance ?

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  15. kowtow (7,650 comments) says:

    Ed Snack

    The free pass Obummer gets.Have you seen this. It’s great.

    http://www.ezralevant.com/baracks_backstory/

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  16. Than (425 comments) says:

    Do you David Farrar believe Key met the GCSB four days before this first ever FBI GCSB operation in NZ and Dotcom wasnt mentioned once?

    martinh, do you have a cite to prove this was “the first ever FBI-GCSB operation”? My understanding is the raid on Dotcom’s mansion was an FBI-NZ police operation. The NZ Police requested GCSB assistance, but there was never a joint FBI-GCSB operation.

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  17. kowtow (7,650 comments) says:

    lolita

    Nothing wrong with lances’ put down. In this context martinh is going way overboard and is here off topic, (spells “to’ with one too many o’s though ,he ticked someone else off for similar).

    Does all debate here have to take the form of indepth ,clever,insightful discourses? Fuck no,can’t we have fun too?

    ps Have you ever complained about that insufferable troll kea? Now there’s one to destroy a thread. Thank goodness the loon troll’s been banned again.

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  18. Keeping Stock (10,110 comments) says:

    Did you miss the Budget last week Judith? That pretty much set out the Government’s priorities for the next few years.

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  19. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Than
    yes they were involved as that was leaked out in court
    And BeaB yes i agree we need to be very good at international espionage, i am totally support of it with the US.
    I just think Key should of said no comment and not what he said instead

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  20. Rick Rowling (801 comments) says:

    lolitasbrother I agree with you. The level of debate here has dropped since you started commenting.

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  21. virtualmark (1,475 comments) says:

    I await Campbell Live revealing that John Key’s former donkey is in fact Player X in the cricket match fixing scandal!

    DPF, my sources are telling me that tonight John Campbell will reveal John Key’s former donkey had dinner with the American ambassador in September 2011. And that as a reward for his sterling work with the FBI, the horse is being flown to Hawaii so that Barack Obama can ride him on his next holiday.

    I swear that’s true.

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  22. Than (425 comments) says:

    martinh, nobody doubts they were involved. I mentioned they were involved in my comment. But it’s a massive step from “involved” (which could mean something as minor as a half an hour of a specialist tech’s time) to “first ever FBI-GCSB operation” (which implies a historic event with the GCSB having a pivotal role).

    The GCSB assists police when they receive a legal request to do so. That was the case for a long time before the Dotcom raids, it’s still the case (with tightened criteria and oversight) today. The GCSB would have considered the police request for assistance regarding Dotcom as simply routine. I don’t know how many such requests the GCSB get from police or how much detail the PMs briefings go into, but I find it perfectly plausible that he doesn’t get briefed on every single wiretap they do.

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  23. Ross12 (1,153 comments) says:

    martinh “I just think Key should of said no comment and not what he said instead”

    You are probably right with this comment.
    Helen Clarke said that all the time and it was accepted. BUT if John Key said that you can “bet your bottom dollar” that John Campbell and co. would have twisted that comment to what ever way it suited them –probably it would have started with ” the PM is not being transparent with comments ” and gone downhill from there.

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  24. Lance (2,457 comments) says:

    “idiot redneck”

    Bra ha ha ha

    Lolita comes on to someone else’s site, makes an arrogant comment about the debate being beneath his most excellent quality standards and recommends other sites.

    Then expects no push back?

    So who is the idiot again?

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  25. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Ross12
    Yep i agree, i dont like campbell at all, i really enjoyed Key nailing him last year

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  26. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Than
    Yes i take your points,
    i just think that the fact it was fbi first ever op here thats theres no way it wouldnt of being mentioned. It was clearly going to be prime time news

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  27. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    PS i dont let my dislike of Campbell stop me listening to his article and i respect him for not being Seven Sharp as it was an interesting article.

    Play the point the not the person

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  28. kiwi in america (2,437 comments) says:

    martinh
    The NZ Police assisting the FBI in the arrest of KDC was hardly their first “op”. It was the first to involve helicopters and be publicized in the media for sure but there will be a number of US citizens/residents on the run from the law in the US that have fled to NZ, been found and subject to arrest and extradition – they just weren’t this high profile.

    Than is correct. The GCSB’s role in the KDC affair was to assist the NZ Police with surveillance – a practice that had carried on with some loose rules for decades. The mistake in all this affair was that the Police failed to check KDC’s most recent immigration status and had they done that and learned of KDC’s newly minted NZ Residency, then the agency the Police would’ve have turned to in the first instance would’ve been the SIS (the agency empowered to investigate potentially subversive activity of NZ citizens and residents). The irony is that, given the GCSB’s known more superior surveillance capabilities and their long standing assistance given to other NZ agencies (the SIS, Police and Defense Force) on a number of occasions, had the request for the GCSB to undertake surveillance on KDC come from the Police via the SIS rather than straight to the GCSB, this whole legal kerfuffle may have never eventuated.

    Thankfully the legislation, so bitterly opposed by Labour, has cleaned up all the anomalies and grey areas but you’d think the government had just legislated away freedom of speech.

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  29. virtualmark (1,475 comments) says:

    kia,

    My take is that whichever muppet in the NZ Police decided to go in with the helicopters and the special tactics group should be demoted to traffic patrol on East Cape.

    The public’s sympathy for Kim Dotcom is largely because he can play the persecution complex because of the way he was first arrested. If the Police had just sent the local Coatesville bobby around, and then if that didn’t work step up to sending a few more uniformed Police and so on then Dotcom wouldn’t have anything like the public platform he has today to grandstand on Campbell Live.

    Somewhere in the NZ Police there’s a cowboy who’s watched too many American movies and who creamed his pants when the FBI asked him to arrest someone. If I was John Key I’d want that guy’s head on a plate.

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  30. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    KIA
    Yep i enjoyed your points.
    Im just sure Key would of known about it, swooping in with FBI agents in NZ hasnt to my knowledge happened before

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  31. kiwi in america (2,437 comments) says:

    Totally agree virtualmark. Some gungho local Police chief got all excited with the US Feds in town and only saw the thrill of getting involve with a big bust American style forgetting how this would play in NZ. Flight risk for Dotcom was high but that could’ve been managed with discrete road blocks. Sending in a few mufti AOS cops would’ve done the trick perhaps with some rooftop snipers as Plan B – KDC’s security guards would’ve folded like a cheap date and even the bodyguards would’ve thought twice about a shooting match with the AOS. Dotcon has been feeding off the sympathy that raid gave him for years now.

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  32. kiwi in america (2,437 comments) says:

    martinh
    Your comment completely belies how the Police interface with the Executive. The PM would’ve signed off on the surveillance warrant (actually it was English as acting PM and quite believable that English forgot to brief Key). As for the details of a police operation, it would be utterly improper for the Police to advise the PM of the details of their pending operation. I would leave it to people like DPF who’ve had higher up experience in the staff of a Minister’s Office to know at what stage in the process the Minister of Police or the PM’s Office would be advised of an extradition arrest if ever. Even if the PM Office was advised that an arrest was pending, there’s a huge difference between knowing that a warrant for extradition arrest has been issued by a NZ court and knowing the precise details of how the police choose to execute that warrant. A leader like Putin absolutely would know and even be behind such planning, the NZ separation of powers precludes such information sharing. John Campbell just so much wants to help the fat German and screw Key that he’d say almost anything and lefties desperate for anything that might dent John Key will believe anything Campbell dishes up. Campbell Live’s declining ratings says it all.

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  33. rangitoto (195 comments) says:

    I went to the supermarket to buy a roll of tinfoil this morning but they said Campbell had cleaned them out.

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  34. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    KIA
    It was the GCSB that KEy is in charge of that would of informed him about the upcoming op, unless you think that the FBI had being here organising a massive raid in NZ on a US govt target and the GCSB was so useless they didnt know that fact even though they were helping with the operation!

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  35. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    KIA
    When you mention Englishs involvement you also need to wonder why English tried to have the GCSBs involvement hidden in the court too dont you and he didnt mention that to the PM on return as well.
    Is English a failing Winston or is he just helping his boss out?

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  36. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    KIA
    Theres only two things i can reasonably consider:

    1) Key lied to us for some reason im still mulling over
    or
    2) his dept is so incompetent they didnt tell him about the building massive FBI operation about to happen on our soils for a huge target for the US govt. And Bill English twice mucked up.

    Frankly if you believe option 2 then you should be very very worried about how much terrorism could be going in NZ unheard of and you must also think nobody in the GCSb likes Key enough to inform him of whats developing so Key should immediately resign from his role

    Ive got to go now but will read your reply later

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  37. Judith (7,650 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (9,873 comments) says:
    May 21st, 2014 at 10:02 am
    Did you miss the Budget last week Judith? That pretty much set out the Government’s priorities for the next few years.

    Unlike many people, I am concerned with more than just the financial management of the government. There are many questions I’d like to know the answers to. I’d hate the next government to use the excuse labour provided this one with by calling the last GE a ‘referendum on asset sales’. If this next GE is going to be judged in such a way, I’d prefer to know exactly what I was voting on – for example, an issue raised by one of my students, ” does National guarantee New Zealand will remain nuclear free should they win the election’.

    Now I accept I haven’t read the budget document in its entirety, so if it does answer that question, can you please tell me which page it is on?

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  38. metcalph (1,362 comments) says:

    When you mention Englishs involvement you also need to wonder why English tried to have the GCSBs involvement hidden in the court too dont you and he didnt mention that to the PM on return as well

    It has been standard operating practice to conceal the involvement of intelligence services in court proceedings. The practice falls under the rubric of Public Interest Immunity. The courts didn’t apply it in this case because the defence lawyers discovered that the GCSB had been operating illegally.

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  39. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Metcalph.
    So why didnt English tell Key again?

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  40. kiwi in america (2,437 comments) says:

    martinh
    You are falling into the John Campbell trap and allowing certain unconnected facts to get conflated. The GCSB has/had no operational role in a police arrest raid. Their job is surveillance and likely tapped Dotcom’s mobile and land line calls and intercepted his email traffic to pass on the FBI. The GCSB don’t do arrests, they don’t issue extradition proceedings, they don’t issue arrest warrants and they certainly don’t sit in on police planning of raids. Their job was done long before the District Court signed the extradition warrant. So Key being the Minister in charge of the GCSB makes him another step removed from this process.

    As for the Minister in charge of the GCSB (even an acting Minister) ‘hiding’ the matter in court – for crying out loud cue the sinister music will you – Clark, Bolger, Moore, Palmer, Lange etc etc all would’ve had their staff act the exact same way in court when it came to SIS or GCSB matters – the blanket “we don’t discuss matters of national security” is an utterly bi-partisan operational procedure in these matters that the left have turned into another one of their conspiracy theories in their pathetic attempts to denigrate Key. This is truly ‘clutching at straws’ territory.

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  41. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    1) Key lied to us for some reason im still mulling over

    Consider the possibility that there’s things Key knows but for secrecy reasons is not supposed to reveal them.

    For example he may not have heard of Dotcom in relation to the raid, but may have heard of him on unrelated matters that remain secret. If so it put’s him in an awkward situation.

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  42. OneTrack (2,618 comments) says:

    Pete – or the pm is correct and if had never heard me dotcom at the time.

    Where were you when you first were aware of the great dot. Do you know. So why do the rabid left think key should.

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  43. kiwi in america (2,437 comments) says:

    martinh
    English’s lapse has been elevated to a capital crime. Set aside your moral or ethical objections you might have over the powers that any NZ government of whatever political hue to have state agencies that can spy on people, the whole issue revolved around when can the GCSB legally conduct surveillance. Based on the prevailing law and operational procedure (as done under Clark as well as Key) at the time of the KDC surveillance, if the target is a foreigner and the surveillance warrant has been issued by the Director of the GCSB and duly signed by a District Court judge then its legal. If the party in question is a NZ citizen/resident then the surveillance agency in question is the SIS. The Police are the agency who received the request for co-operation from the FBI as it is a national police force to national police force matter (standard Interpol protocols). The Police erred in not checking the latest immigration status and made their surveillance request direct to the GCSB. The GCSB erred in not double checking. Both are errors acknowledged by the government. The PM (as minister of the SIS and GCSB) signs warrants he (or she in the case of Clark) have every reason to assume pass legal muster. The PM’s office would be perfectly normal in assuming that Police lawyers, GCSB or SIS lawyers all looked at the circumstances surrounding the warrant request before asking the Court to issue and before seeking the Minister’s signoff. English not telling Key is not the problem here. Assume English had told Key – what would Key do? What would all his predecessors have done? They likely would’ve asked the same questions English asked: what is the legal opinion at each level, do the lawyers confirm in writing that the law has been complied with. Is a judge satisfied the law has been complied with? If Key had been told and asked those questions then he would’ve been given the same flawed reassurances. It doesn’t change where the fundamental mistake was made.

    But really it’s dancing on the head of a pin. The issue has been litigated in the court of public opinion endlessly when the Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill was before Parliament. The Labour Government’s attempt at codifying the roles of the GCSB into law was flawed by the last minute amendment as a sop to the Alliance that muddied the water over the issue of the GCSB assisting other agencies. Had the SIS asked the GCSB for assistance and that request was duly documented then KDC would likely be in Club Fed awaiting trial. It’s the procedural mistake that opened a legal defense big enough to derail the extradition. Had the Police checked the status and asked the SIS and the SIS asked the GCSB the role of the GCSB in this whole affair would’ve been covered in a few cms of print media or no more than 1 minute on prime time TV news. Dotcom’s inevitable extradition would’ve been newsworthy for sure and the outrage over the manner of the raid would’ve got an airing in court and again in the media but the legal processes behind his arrest would withstood any and all legal scrutiny if a lowly clerk in North Shore Police HQ had picked up the phone and rung the Immigration NZ.

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  44. Scott Chris (5,884 comments) says:

    I await Campbell Live revealing that John Key’s former donkey is in fact Player X in the cricket match fixing scandal!

    No that wasn’t Don Key, it was Boo Key.

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  45. Tauhei Notts (1,611 comments) says:

    Politicians must declare their assets. There is no onus on them having to declare their liabilities.
    At least 97% of racehorses are liabilities; the other 3% might possibly be assets.
    John Key’s and Winston’s nags were in the 97% category.
    Sadly, so is mine.

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  46. nasska (10,689 comments) says:

    A dissipated life of fast women & slow racehorses then Tauhei? :)

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  47. Tauhei Notts (1,611 comments) says:

    Nasska, her indoors is built for comfort, not for speed.

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