Judge dismisses Dotcom conspiracy theories

May 23rd, 2014 at 5:14 pm by David Farrar

3 News reports:

Mega founder been denied access to evidence against him to be used in his upcoming extradition hearing.

Dotcom had applied for documents held by the Security Intelligence Service (SIS), Immigration New Zealand, police, Customs, Corrections and the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB), but a District Court decision released today has dismissed the application. …

In declining the other documents, Judge Dawson said the evidence and submissions “fell well short” of what was needed to consider granting the applications.

He also said there was “no reasonable basis” for granting the application for the documents.

“It bears all the hallmarks of a fishing expedition that would involve an extensive amount of time and resources to satisfy with a very low likelihood of it producing evidence relevant to the extradition hearing.”

It is worth quoting the judgement:

[47] To date, there is no evidence of any nexus between the Prime Minister’s meeting with the CEO of Warner Bros with Mr Dotcom’s residency applications other than the coincidence of the times of events pointed to by him. There is also an alternate explanation that could be advanced. Mr Dotcom had become impatient over what he perceived as delays with his residency application and informed INZ that his application could be withdrawn if it was not granted by 1 November 2010. The residency application was granted on 30 October 2010. It is feasible that INZ granted the residency application of a high net-worth person who was pressuring them for a decision.

[48]The respondents need to prove some nexus between Mr Dotcom being granted residency and his claim of untoward political pressure being placed upon immigration officials to grant his residency other than hypothesised coincidence. In addition, they would need to show links between the INZ, NZSIS, the Prime Minister, the CEO of Warner Bros and the Applicant [the US government, my brackets] which showed the Applicant’s involvement in the actions of the New Zealand agencies. They would then need to show some illegal action by the Applicant indicating there was an abuse of process that would lead this court to provide some sanction against the Applicant in this case. To date they have not done so. Nor has it been shown that INZ and the NZSIS were acting as agencies for the Applicant at this time.”

[49] The Respondents’ applications are based upon Mr Dotcom’s theory which is based upon evidence which has a plausible alternative explanation. They lack any “air of reality” as they rely upon a perceived coincidence. These applications are in the nature of a fishing expedition, made in the hope of flushing out evidence which may be useful to the Respondents. Even if it was successful it is highly unlikely that it would be evidence that might assist the Respondents to counter any of the Applicants’ evidence in the ROC. If evidence of improper political involvement was found, it would not impact upon the extradition hearing. It may or may not impact upon other court proceedings, but it is not the role of this court to grant discovery orders that may or may not be relevant to other proccedings.

The Judge must have missed seeing the Campbell Live programme!

This is a major setback to Dotcom. His defence seems to be based on this conspiracy theory, and the court has said it has no air of reality. That’s strong language.

The extradition date is set for 7 July but one of the parties (I suspect Dotcom) has asked for a deferral – maybe hoping for a delay until Russel Norman is Minister of Justice!

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63 Responses to “Judge dismisses Dotcom conspiracy theories”

  1. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  2. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (788 comments) says:

    Wait for the garden gnome Campbell to spread more rumours and conspiracy theories. This ain’t over until the fat man sings….

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  3. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    When did Dotcom widely get referred to as other than Schmidt? I am sure that he was referred to as either or / for quite a while. Seems to like giving lawyers money. They will not mind. ;).

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  4. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    Do National Party supporters support natural justice or do they only support the National Party?

    If National Party supporters don’t like someone, or he’s overweight and offensive, does this mean he should be denied the justice anyone else was due?

    I am no partisan collectivist.

    The law applies to all and justice is blind.

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  5. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    Justice may be blind, sometimes it is wrong, laws can be stupid but I do not think Justice is. As for natural justice the only one I see as trying to pervert NZ laws and the courts to their own ends is the ego commonly known as Kim Dotcom.

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  6. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    That is unfair.

    And it will backfire.

    Makes it look as if Dotcom is being fitted up by Govt.

    Just as he has always claimed.

    Bullshit Red. To have him extradited, all the Americans have to do is prove that they have a prima facie case against him. Dotcom’s lawyers have fought every peripheral aspect of the case, and the only victory so far is the Court of Appeal’s decision that the FBI was wrong to take electronic evidence back to the USA. Even on that decision, the warrants that underpinned the first raid were ruled to be legal.

    Dotcom is not being “fitted up by Govt.” as you allege; he fitted himself up by getting too greedy with his get-rich-quick scheme that depended on having a small army of geeks stealing other people’s creative content, and a larger army of people who were prepared to pay a subscription to access the illegal content, thus depriving the people who made it of income.

    I’m surprised that someone who is forever banging on about the National Party not sticking to its founding principles is so supportive of a rip-off merchant and wide boy like Dotcom. Theft of other people’s ideas and work is not free enterprise; it’s actually a form of socialism.

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  7. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    Crumble Live will be preparing some doom-laden music to play underneath a series of John Key diary entries as we speak. Ah, what the hell – just use this weeks episode and cut in a lot of loveable “isn’t he a bit of a character” KDC pics.

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  8. UglyTruth (4,000 comments) says:

    Justice may be blind, sometimes it is wrong, laws can be stupid but I do not think Justice is.

    Justice is never wrong, but man’s opinion of what justice is can be.
    People are always going to slag Dotcom off here simply because he’s a wannabe politician who doesn’t belong to the “right” party.

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  9. UglyTruth (4,000 comments) says:

    Bullshit Red. To have him extradited, all the Americans have to do is prove that they have a prima facie case against him.

    The have to prove their case against the standards of NZ law, not according to the US local doctrine of fair use.

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  10. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    As much as the Key supporters on this blog will never admit it, this whole thing is down to John Key, because he changed the focus of the GCSB to please Obama who was in turn anxious to ensure he kept getting dollars from his Hollywood donors.

    Key should have refused the US requests, said Obama’s problems were Obama’s problems, and said he preferred to keep the GCSB focus where it belonged, on threats to NZ’s security.

    The GCSB was never intended to be part of file sharing prosecutions/ investigations, and this whole mess only arose because John Key changed its job description to please Obama.

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  11. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    “Dotcom is not being “fitted up by Govt.” as you allege;”

    I didn’t make that allegation.

    I am telling you how I think it will look, and how it will reflect badly on Key and National, and do more for KDC.

    Like most Key supporters your National Party partisanship prevents you from seeing that I’m only giving an objective view.

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  12. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    Justice is subjective, outcomes perceived from the stance of the winner or loser. The ‘ego’ has landed encapsulates this person from my perspective. While there is money, lawyers will find cause.

    What do they say? Never admit guilt, deny, deny, deny.

    Personally as we are sovereign, politically we can do what we damn well like and the less Dotcom likes it the better.

    I assume some of the children are NZ citizens, that will be a pleading also. I do not believe NZ was chanced upon. How would Dotcom fare in another jurisdiction? He has so many options and no real ties to NZ since we are hopefully not to his liking and not as much of a walkover as he thought.

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  13. UglyTruth (4,000 comments) says:

    The theory that it was all about Hollywood money seems reasonable, but it doesn’t take into account the historical security arrangement between US or the ability of surveillance to used for commercial or political purposes, eg insider trading or blackmail.

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  14. UglyTruth (4,000 comments) says:

    Personally as we are sovereign, politically we can do what we damn well like and the less Dotcom likes it the better.

    You’re not, it’s just an article of faith in the state.

    http://www.actsinjunction.info/nzsov.html

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  15. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (788 comments) says:

    Anybody remember the Irish guy Danny Butler and the drama Paul Holmes enacted on TV putting pressure on the then immigration minister Max Bradford to keep him here?

    Wait for the gnome Campbell to create controversy, drama, spread rumours about the government when the time nears for Fatcon’s extradition to USA….. He will run SMS polls, go around the country preaching how bad John Key is…. oh boy!

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  16. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    The only part of that that I found interesting, was the acceptable alternate spelling Sovran. Phonetic?

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  17. questions (169 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock says:
    Dotcom is not being “fitted up by Govt.” as you allege; he fitted himself up by getting too greedy with his get-rich-quick scheme that depended on having a small army of geeks stealing other people’s creative content, and a larger army of people who were prepared to pay a subscription to access the illegal content, thus depriving the people who made it of income.\

    You sound confused, he was running Mega Upload, not YouTube!

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  18. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    Doesn’t Germany want their favourite son to come home?

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  19. Manolo (13,376 comments) says:

    Time to dispose of the obese German and send him to jail, his natural habitat.

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  20. slijmbal (1,213 comments) says:

    The statement from TV3 that

    “Mega founder Kim Dotcom been denied access to evidence against him to be used in his upcoming extradition hearing”

    is actually completely contradicted by the Judge’s statement that “……with a very low likelihood of it producing evidence relevant to the extradition hearing.”

    In effect, according to the Judge, he is not being denied access to evidence against him – as it relates to the extradition hearing .

    I’m assuming that the Judge is correct in law, of course, as extraditions work under specific rules of what is applicable – you don’t get to try the case in NZ. It might not seem fair to Red but it’s the application of the law and not to be played with by the government and rightly so.

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  21. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    Conspiracy or just good timing of the judgment, ;)may all the world’s collide. How dare someone try to buy an MP. Good on Banks for refusing.

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  22. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    Sorry or Mayoral candidate

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  23. mara (726 comments) says:

    My young daughter would not steal a loaf of bread from a supermarket but can see nothing wrong with stealing intellectual property online. I struggle with that and can see that I am on the losers side. That is because I am old enough to see out the days when a handshake was as good as a bond and there was an unspoken agreement that you do not cannibalise your own family.

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  24. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    What mara said.

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  25. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    ” or he’s overweight and offensive, does this mean he should be denied the justice anyone else was due?”

    Utter crap Red. It’s only Labour folk in Christchurch that’s doing this to Gerry. The rest of us love him! :)

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  26. James Stephenson (2,033 comments) says:

    This ain’t over until the fat man sings….

    He already did, the album went straight to the bargain bins…

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  27. lolitasbrother (482 comments) says:

    everything is OK, 12% vote Green, nobody Mana, 88% against Green, whats that
    88% people do not want Green near them, thats why Green will always fail RIP Rod,I loved you but you you were an idiot ,RIP Russell.
    Labour will nor deal with Green, nor NZ First, nor Conservative, hmm heard about global warming ?

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  28. fernglas (101 comments) says:

    the main problem Dotcom has is one he shares with all of us on this blog, and that is that he thinks people actually give a fuck about what is debated on the internet. They don’t, and he may be a source of amusement but he has no real credibility; the sort of credibility that translates to votes. To vote, you have to get off your arse and walk to a polling station, not press a button on your keyboard. Dotcom is a lovely sideshow but surely this country can see what really matters?

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  29. Pongo (371 comments) says:

    We should get the judge to moonlight as a TV critic eh John Campbell

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  30. Rich Prick (1,553 comments) says:

    Ah, Good Times.

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  31. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    Personally I am glad backbone is being shown, now the truth is emerging, bluff and bluster and money should only get one so far. Along with the stitch droppers I hope Banks’s own supporters can find a seat. Not very large public galleries from what I have seen of the Auckland High Court.

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  32. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    The fat criminal slug really starting to be exposed for what he is, hopefully Hone will wake up before it is too late. He knows he is guilty as sin of charges levelled against him in US and he will stoop as low as a Labour/Green to orchestrate the blocking of his extradition order. Get the mongrel out of our country now . . . he is as bad, if not worse, than terrorist Zaoui. Wonder if the evil Manning will jump on his bandwagon!

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  33. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    As was asked the other day, when in hell is someone going to waste this slimy little left-wing greaser Campbell?

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  34. Scott1 (448 comments) says:

    In this case I imagine that the process will, in its glacially slow way, slowly ensure that Dotcom is extradited. In the end think if we have an issue with that it should be with extradition law as opposed to with what actually happens because it does appear that under current law and evidence Dotcom should / will be extradited eventually.

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  35. tvb (4,208 comments) says:

    Kim Dotcom found a way of taking the creative content of others without payment and allowing subscribers to his service to access it for a small fee that was presumably smaller than the fee the content producers would charge for it themselves. It is no coincidence KDC and the Mana Party are forming a political alliance. They both believe in taking other people’s property without compensation.

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  36. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Sir Cullen: The “Fat Man” will sure sing when he is made someone’s bitch in a US pen!

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  37. double d (225 comments) says:

    Idiotic comment IGM.
    I don’t like Campbell … But that is just stupid talk!

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  38. Paulus (2,502 comments) says:

    I still think that there is too much PR obfuscation around the Crim.

    All the Judge has to do is decide whether in his/her opinion that there is a case to answer.

    Anything else is pure flim flam, carried forward by the left wing media.

    Perhaps the Crim should employ Deborah Manning – has she left the super Labour powerhouse yet? After all she has been there three weeks with the loonies.

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  39. G152 (151 comments) says:

    Maybe crimdotcon should move in with Campbell until his inevitable trip to the US

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  40. Nostalgia-NZ (4,913 comments) says:

    The Judge could have taken the completely opposite view and ordered the release of the documents thereby putting all ‘grounds’ for speculation aside. The ‘fishing expedition’ barrier is used too often, and always it seems to block release of documents which in themselves may invariably be seen as simply a ‘fishing expedition.’ This ‘protection’ of saving civil servants the ‘job’ of having to compile documents for release is a have.

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  41. stephieboy (2,186 comments) says:

    I wonder if it would be helpful if the media simply reverted to calling him by his real name, Kim Schmitz.?A repeated use of his real name might get some real media investigative skills working especially about his activities back in the home country.

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  42. Nostalgia-NZ (4,913 comments) says:

    Another hearing and still none the wiser as to why it took AOS members backed up be helicopters and ‘advisors’ from the FBI to arrest an apparently physically harmless individual while his pregnant wife was ordered to lie on the ground. Oh, that’s right he played computer games and liked pies and he might have run to the fridge and finished off all the steak’n and cheeses.

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  43. OneTrack (2,613 comments) says:

    fernglas – “Dotcom is a lovely sideshow but surely this country can see what really matters?..”

    With roughly 50% apparently ready to vote in a hard-left, incompetent nightmare, I have little confidence that that is true.

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  44. OneTrack (2,613 comments) says:

    nostalgia – “Another hearing and still none the wiser as to why it took AOS members backed up be helicopters ”

    Never mind, when the green-labour nirvana gets in, we will have a witch hunt to name, shame and tar and feather the public servant(s) in the police hierarchy who decided that the raid was the appropriate action to take. They really should have used their 20:20 hindsight like everybody else is.

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  45. UglyTruth (4,000 comments) says:

    My young daughter would not steal a loaf of bread from a supermarket but can see nothing wrong with stealing intellectual property online.

    To steal something you have to deprive the rightful owner of possession of it.

    Why are you slandering your own daughter?

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  46. Pete George (22,851 comments) says:

    Dotcom was born Kim Schmitz in Kiel (Germany). He used an online alias of Kimble, renamed himself Kim Jim Tim Vestor when he moved to Asia after being investigated in Germany for insider trading, and later (2005) changed his name to Kim Dotcom.

    Die Welt on Kim Schmitz/Dotcom

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  47. All_on_Red (1,368 comments) says:

    Nostalgia
    Didn’t the Police find firearms on the property?
    I don’t know if you have ever seen the house, but it’s surrounded by high walls and has a big fuck off gate, so is pretty impregnable. I guess the Helicopter made it easier to get past the gate, and let’s face it, plenty of room for it to land.
    Personally I’d rather the Police went in from a position of strength as opposed to going in undermanned and one of them dying.

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  48. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “That is unfair.

    And it will backfire.

    Makes it look as if Dotcom is being fitted up by Govt.

    Just as he has always claimed.”

    I certainly hope it will backfire but that would prove serious negligence and full prejudice against Dotcom which John Key has publicly displayed. The courts are following suit. Vested international evidence which is no theory but certainly conspiratal in any man’s language

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  49. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “It is no coincidence KDC and the Mana Party are forming a political alliance. They both believe in taking other people’s property without compensation.”

    The crown did that first when their tool the Anglican and R C Churches failed

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  50. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “It’s only Labour folk in Christchurch that’s doing this to Gerry. The rest of us love him!”

    you love Gerry…..why???

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  51. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    The National Party’s most vocal blogger Cameron Slater is to blame for much of the general vituperation towards Kim Dotcom. Among National supporters, the hatred of KDC is completely over the top.

    I certainly don’t give a damn about the Nats. I do know that spying agencies set up to keep NZ secure from external threats should never have been diverted to file sharing issues.

    I do know that KDC was illegally spied upon.

    I do know that officials had to resign of a result of these illegal activities.

    I do know that the raid on KDC’s private residence by the Armed Offenders Squad was a disgraceful and disgusting travesty of judicial procedure.

    I suspect that this was all done with John Key’s approval because I have witnessed his sickening fawning over the fraud & criminal Barack Obama, and when a 70 man team with 2 helicopters and assisted by the OAS raids a NZ citizen’s house the PM has to know about it. So that he didn’t stop it means he condoned it.

    I know that the criminal Obama badly needed action on file sharing to appease his big spending Hollywood donors, who when they make movies and TV series, stack them full of Progressive propaganda favourable to the Democrats.

    So I’m not affected by Slater’s hate mongering. Just looking at it objectively, its plain KDC’s rights have been trampled and whether he is guilty or not this whole thing is a sickening travesty of legal process.

    However the growing lynch mob mentality towards KDC is even more sickening. Surprising to me really. Even when I know NZ is hopelessly in the grip of the one party state mindset, this kind of manipulation of public opinion and the widespread unthinking persecution it results in is reminiscent of completely fascist states with terrible histories.

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  52. UglyTruth (4,000 comments) says:

    when a 70 man team with 2 helicopters and assisted by the OAS raids a NZ citizen’s house the PM has to know about it.

    Kim Dotcom wasn’t (and isn’t) a citizen.

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  53. UglyTruth (4,000 comments) says:

    Kim Dotcom found a way of taking the creative content of others without payment and allowing subscribers to his service to access it for a small fee that was presumably smaller than the fee the content producers would charge for it themselves. It is no coincidence KDC and the Mana Party are forming a political alliance. They both believe in taking other people’s property without compensation.

    An essential quality of property is exclusive possession. It’s not accurate to speak of taking other people’s property in the context of copying something.

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  54. stephieboy (2,186 comments) says:

    UT, thus for artists like Bic Runga or say Lorde i do not have ” exclusive possession” to any songs they may of composed , performed and published.?
    Copy right laws therfore exist for the whim of those who think they can dine out for free on other’s hard work and efforts.?

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  55. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    Is there a computer or online game called ‘conspiracy’, if not clearly there is an opening. It would seem that it is a game that people currently are thought to play in secrecy ;). Perhaps call it ‘Kimspiracy’.

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  56. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    In the context of copying, universities pay to cite or use other peoples work, radio stations pay to play others work, due I guess to there being a commercial aspect/purpose to the ‘copying’. Everything should be user pays. Just because the internet has made access more anonymous and easy, it should not mean that the maxim should not apply. Supply and demand. Just because there is a demand, does that mean that someone should be an illegal enabler?

    I doubt that the enabler would do so without being paid, so why shouldn’t everyone involved get to clip the ticket, especially the owner of the intellectual property?

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  57. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ” He has so many options and no real ties to NZ since we are hopefully not to his liking and not as much of a walkover as he thought.”

    He could have gone to any Sth American country free of US jurustiction. NZ is not risk free. Oz was a complete risk.

    I wouldn’t be surprised, if like the UK, Oz has clawback laws for the US to extradite citizens. Oz is a mini US.

    I can see a future where Kiwi’s could be extradited to China for trial.

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  58. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    Justice for John Banks, take that how you like ;).

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  59. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    Next we will be accused of false kimcrimination ;) Apologies if already done.

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  60. UglyTruth (4,000 comments) says:

    Everything should be user pays.

    Not when the user takes nothing from the creator of the the work that he copied. It’s different when money changes hands because it is taking a revenue opportunity from the author/creator, or in cases of plagiarism because the of lost recognition for a creative work.

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  61. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    How are they not taking something that they have no right to. The whole reason there are rights of creation(intellectual property, patents etc) is that they are worthy of protection. Those rights are finite not infinite. Let them eat cake ;).

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  62. Nostalgia-NZ (4,913 comments) says:

    ‘Nostalgia
    Didn’t the Police find firearms on the property?
    I don’t know if you have ever seen the house, but it’s surrounded by high walls and has a big fuck off gate, so is pretty impregnable. I guess the Helicopter made it easier to get past the gate, and let’s face it, plenty of room for it to land.
    Personally I’d rather the Police went in from a position of strength as opposed to going in undermanned and one of them dying’

    Yes I have seen the house. Whilst it is a fortress in many respects it would also be difficult to escape from. However, I’m sure the Auckland police were capable of arresting him any time, and at their own choice – off the property. The arrest had all the elements of a Hollywood plot, we may yet find out that the team of nannies were in fact highly trained ninjas.

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  63. goldnkiwi (994 comments) says:

    I guess for those that think others have no right to life, evidenced by them taking it, the taking of a bit of intellectual property is a no brainer (pun intended) I guess the ‘state’ believed the ‘act’ and ‘ego’ that Dotcom portrayed.

    Why did Dotcom need body guards again? My answer would be ego but then we now all have the benefit of hindsight. He believes his own hype, didn’t he want others to? Guess he got his wish re name recognition eh and being talked about, we certainly will not forget that he graced our shores.

    Funny thing about German/Germany and being taught the language in school relatively soon after the war (70′s), what did our grandfathers think of that inclusion in the school curriculum, lest we forget!!!

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