Labour’s alien invasion from Mars is getting closer

May 25th, 2014 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Labour leader David Cunliffe did not respond to requests for comment, but during debate in Parliament last year called the law “tawdry” and said “there is exactly the same probability of an alien invasion from Mars as there is of from Indonesia or ‘Wogistan”‘.

Crystal clear. Any talk of boat people coming to NZ is rubbish Labour said. But …

Under cover of darkness last Wednesday night, eight cars containing around 50 asylum seekers from Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh slipped out of the mountain town of Cisarua, 60km south of Indonesia’s capital Jakarta, and drove towards the coast.

The tension was palpable. They’d been holed up in a villa for weeks waiting for this moment, the first step on a long, treacherous journey they hoped would end in a new life in faraway New Zealand.

The passengers, all adults, had paid people-smugglers deposits of around $US500 ($585), with the remaining $US5000 ($5800) or so due if they reached their destination.

But their dreams were dashed at the last minute. Although corrupt officials had been paid off, according to sources, it wasn’t enough – police intercepted them and the group was turned around.

They are now back in Cisarua, the disillusioned walking away, the desperate vowing to give it another go in the next few days.

The Sunday Star-Times learned of the plan to send a boat of 50 asylum seekers to New Zealand during a joint investigation with Fairfax Australia.

We obtained video footage of the boats involved in the plan, listened to secret recordings of a money-changer talking about New Zealand as the best option now that Australia is “closed”, and, posing as an asylum seeker, contacted the smuggling kingpin.

How can this be? David Cunliffe told us that boat people trying to come to NZ had the same probability as an invasion from Mars.

No asylum boat has ever made it to New Zealand but the current operation is the third attempt in recent months.

Three attempts in as many months.

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119 Responses to “Labour’s alien invasion from Mars is getting closer”

  1. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Cunliffe actually used the word “Wogistan”? I’m speechless. Jeremy Clarkson gets hauled over the coals for using this sort of racist language. How does Cunliffe get away with it?

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  2. lolitasbrother (702 comments) says:

    we must be serious here, Islam is big trouble , we have seen this thing overseas
    our friend in Australia has to fight the cursed one
    look at me ,and do not allow Islam near our Country

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  3. Longknives (4,764 comments) says:

    And when they do finally arrive the Greens and Mana will be down there singing Maori songs and welcoming them all with open arms-Dave Dobbyn will be wailing away on his guitar and Robyn Malcolm and Keisha Castle Hughes will probably be there offering hugs in photoshoots.
    They will then be loaded into buses and driven to WINZ and HNZ to sign up (no questions asked) to the gravy train that is the ever-generous NZ Welfare system!
    May God (*or Allah) help us all….

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  4. jedmo (33 comments) says:

    The Tasman’s been done in a rowboat; so obviously something larger has a good chance of making this sort of trip; with money as incentive, it will happen sooner rather than later. How unwise of DC to take a short-sighted, head-in-the-sand approach, when he could be offering ideas and leadership on this contentious issue.

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  5. wikiriwhis business (4,019 comments) says:

    “No asylum boat has ever made it to New Zealand but the current operation is the third attempt in recent months.”

    Then Cuniliffe is being proved correct.

    Opposition leaders are hard to fault. Different story once they get to treasury seats.

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  6. tas (625 comments) says:

    What will the reaction be when it finally does happen? Does NZ have a response plan? How will the politicians react?

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  7. Longknives (4,764 comments) says:

    “Does NZ have a response plan?”

    Tas- I think I outlined much of the ‘response plan’ in my 12:11pm post!!

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  8. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    Look, there is a shit tonne of underground infrastructure in Indonesia that has been sitting idle since Australia decided to reverse the policies that drowned children.

    If NZ is seen as the next best soft-target, then we will see more and more attempts and, like Australia, we will be culpable for the inevitable deaths at sea.

    The issue is hardly “what to do when they arrive”, that is the easy part, send them back, everytime. The issue is “what are the consequences if they consistently try and fail”.

    It is a maritime safety issue as much as an illegal immigration one. And by trying to ignore the issue Cunliffe is callously declaring that he doesn’t care if people die, as long as they will never reach our shores.

    Labor in Australia killed children with their policy. They were warned about the consequences beforehand, and ignored them. And when those warnings came true, Labor ignored that too. They tried to pretend it was something else entirely. They acted as if it was inevitable. One arrogant Green MP cunt dismissed a boatload of deaths with the quip that “accidents happen”, again refusing to admit the bloody obvious that this was an easily preventable accident.

    And now that their murderous policy has been scrapped, and the boats stopped and the drownings ended, they are pretending as if the remaining consequences of their abhorrent fuck up are the fault of the governing conservatives.

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  9. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    David I think you’re wrong about this,

    The leaky old boats used by the asylum seekers can barely make it (and often don’t) to Christmas Island (the Australian territory they aim for), which is just south of Indonesia and a hell of a long way from the Australian mainland.

    NZ does have quite thorough plans to handle (humanely) any boats that ever make it here, but the chances of one getting this far are close to zero. Just look at a map. Indonesia. Christmas Island. Australia. New Zealand.

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  10. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    What a stupid comment by Cunliffe, really what goes on in side his head thinking he is capable of being a PM.
    Seems like his parents must of talked him up too much, and whats the bet that wife of his gives him little bedtime stories of how great he is.

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  11. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Dave53
    DPF is not wrong
    You obviously dont know how many boats of tiny size are plouging the pacific at any given moment.
    The problem for the illegal immigrants is that the organisers overload the boats as they are too greedy

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  12. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    Get real.

    The chances of a people-smuggling boat actually _making_ it to New Zealand waters are fucking close to zero. The Oz people smuggling business had people trying to sail from Indonesia to Christmas Island (300 miles from Jarkarta, 1000 to Port Hedland) is shitty boats to such an extent that 1,000 people lost their lives.

    Now you are seriously expecting that a people smuggler would sail 1800 miles from Jarkarata to West Papua and a further 3,500 miles from there to Three Knights Island? And the last stretch of it is in a sea so rough that the Polynesian navigators never made it to Oz? All the time when more inviting targets such as Cairns is easily reachable (1300 miles from West Papua)?

    It simply is not going to happen.

    Anybody who thinks it can happen is either insane or knows absolutely nothing about boats.

    My guess is that the People Smugglers are more likely to do a Marcel Petiot and simply sink the boat on route to West Papua and pocket the cash.

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  13. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    metcalph
    the prevailing conditions are west to east hence its easier to get to here from aus then from here to aus

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  14. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    DPF is not wrong

    DPF is flat out wrong. Smuggling people to Christmas Island is like attempting the D-Day landings from Dover. Smuggling people to Poor Knights Island is like attempting the D-Day landings from New York.

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  15. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    Also, fascinating that Tony Wall claims that these asylum-seekers include people from India. India is a modern thriving democracy. People from India have ready access to NZ and come here in large numbers, many to settle. No member country of the 1951 Refugee Convention would grant refugee status to Indian nationals as none are persecuted. So that part of the article is likely very wrong. Sri Lankan Tamils yes they are persecuted and can claim asylum, as can many Afghans. Bangladeshis also doubtful. Pakistanis from the Taleban-controlled areas are definitely persecuted.

    Most of the asylum-seekers trying to reach Australia and Sri Lankan Tamils and Afghan Hazaras (a much-threatened minority).

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  16. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    I recall reading recently that legislation has been passed ensuring the immediate deportation of any such arrivals.

    Cunliffe is an idiot. The people smugglers simply will use larger, slightly more seaworthy boats and charge their victims accordingly.

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  17. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    In my post (link is in the GD thread), I’ve picked out just a few of many examples where John Key was lambasted by the Left for suggesting that if was a question of when, not if a boat would reach New Zealand waters.

    Phil Twyford said this in 2010:

    Has he looked at a map recently? There is a lot of ocean between us and them. Short of us putting out the welcome mat for people-smugglers it seems very unlikely they will make it this far.

    Keith Locke from the Greens accused Key of “scaremongering” in 2011, and just last year Zetetic at The Standard accused the PM of wielding Yellow Terror, and accused the PM of talking up “vague, unsubstantiated threats that boatloads of Indonesians are heading for our shores”.

    It looks as though the PM was right after all. The money-grabbing predators and parasites that get involved in people-smuggling don’t care about the niceties of getting a boat from Indonesia to New Zealand. Here’s hoping that the Government is ready to respond when the first boat arrives.

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  18. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    metcalph
    They would probably aim for the west coast north of Kaitaia, i dont see the need to go to the Poor Knights.
    They could go around the cape and down.
    The main point is the prevailing winds are behind them so its not a hard beat

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  19. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    The chances of of anything coming from Mars
    Are a million to one, he said.
    The chances of anything coming from Mars
    are a million to one but still they come.

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  20. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    the prevailing conditions are west to east hence its easier to get to here from aus then from here to aus

    They are not sailing seaworthy boats. They are sailing clapped-out dungers that wouldn’t last five seconds in Foveaux Strait. The Tasman Sea is _rough_.

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  21. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    Keeping Stoick

    How is the mere declared intention to sail to New Zealand evidence that a people smuggler could successfully make the voyage?

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  22. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    metcalph
    Yes i dont disagree that their boats are shit, but sooner or later when people are paying $6000 each the smugglers are going to buy better boats and increase their premium.
    Remember that guy adrift in the pacific for years was just in a shitty old fibreglass runabout, he would of encountered many a storm

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  23. MT_Tinman (3,203 comments) says:

    Stone-age Maori made it to NZ in boats.

    Very lost white men in leaky old boats made it to NZ.

    Those who think it is impossible for boats from Indonesia and other parts West to reach NZ need to think again.

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  24. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    They would probably aim for the west coast north of Kaitaia, i dont see the need to go to the Poor Knights.

    The article said Poor Knights Island. Did you not read it?

    And forget the talk of prevaiing winds, they are not in a yacht,

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  25. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    I recall reading recently that legislation has been passed ensuring the immediate deportation of any such arrivals.

    No, we are a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention and treat all asylum-seekers humanely under the convention. Quite a number come here each year by scheduled air services and apply for asylum. We check their claims and grant asylum when warranted under the convention.

    We have made arrangements (in 2012 IIRC) for handling (and humanely processing) any large-scale arrivals by boat, but it is a very big IF if any such boat ever arrives, given the huge distance.

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  26. MikeG (425 comments) says:

    The All Whites attempt to win the FIFA World Cup every four years but it doesn’t mean that we are any closer to winning it – a bit like the attempts to get here by boat…

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  27. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    yes Metcalph i did, it said this and it said by Kaitaia in the video too

    “The plan was to make landfall on the uninhabited Three Kings Islands off Cape Reinga or somewhere near Kaitaia, and once in New Zealand waters use satellite phones to contact local media.”

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  28. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Metcalph
    Whether or not its a yacht, (they can put a sail up on those foremasts) prevailing winds do matter as the yacht will be pushed by the wind and it will also make the current go in that direction until close to tidal coastal influences

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  29. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    Stone-age Maori made it to NZ in boats.

    But didn’t cross the Tasman Sea. Why?

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  30. wiseowl (899 comments) says:

    Stone-age Maori made it to NZ in boats.

    Wheres the proof?

    It’s all just made up.They hitched a ride .

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  31. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    As they would of being going straight into the current and wind.
    Whereas coming to NZ they came down from the tropics
    Why risk life going there when you have just found paradise

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  32. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    Whether or not its a yacht, (they can put a sail up on those foremasts)

    You seem to be under a delusion that the people-smugglers are wanting to make a successful crossing and so would reduce the number of passengers by stowing a sail and sailors.

    prevailing winds do matter as the yacht will be pushed by the wind and it will also make the current go in that direction until close to tidal coastal influences

    First it doesn’t matter whether its a yacht or not and now they are sailing in a yacht. And as for the current, you have not heard of the East Australia Current? That’s far stronger than the straws of prevailing winds you are so desperately clutching at.

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  33. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Metcalp i think we will just have to settle at disagreement.

    But i would like you to consider why everyone who i have ever heard of who has ever tried to row across the Tasman has always left from Aus not NZ, so you should wonder why that is so.

    Ps yes i have heard of the East Australian current, it shoots down the east coast and then out in to the Tasman towards NZ, exactly what would be ideal for them

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  34. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    The problem isnt people smugglers getting people to NZ. The problem is them getting people into the boats in the first place.

    You set your policy to make sure they dont try.

    If your policy gives them incentives to try, then you are responsible for every single drowning death.

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  35. radvad (767 comments) says:

    To say it would never happen because their boats are not seaworthy is a stupid argument. Whats to stop the smugglers upping the price and getting a more seaworthy boat?

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  36. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    I suggest some commenters here go and look for legislation dealing with ‘mass arrivals by boat.’ These people are not refugees. They are wealthy illegal immigrants. Talk of refugee conventions is a red herring assiduously used by the left.

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  37. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    But i would like you to consider why everyone who i have ever heard of who has ever tried to row across the Tasman has always left from Aus not NZ, so you should wonder why that is so

    They’ve done so in sea-worthy boats. The people-smugglers sailing to Christmas Island have set sail in overloaded unseaworthy bombs. The transtasman crossing is not applicable.

    Secondly you are wrong. Colin Quincy rowed from Hokianga to the Sunshine Coast in 1977 and was the first person to do so in either direction.

    And I note by looking at the examples of attempted transtasman crossings we have:

    2006: a kayaker turned back after less than a week due to severe weather and equipment failure.
    2007: the same kayaker drowned in the attempt.

    And that’s going by your preferred direction.

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  38. SGA (1,069 comments) says:


    The passengers, all adults, had paid people-smugglers deposits of around $US500 ($585), with the remaining $US5000 ($5800) or so due if they reached their destination.
    But their dreams were dashed at the last minute. Although corrupt officials had been paid off, according to sources, it wasn’t enough – police intercepted them and the group was turned around.

    So what’s happened to $US25,000 that the NZ-promising smugglers have already received? Were the smugglers also arrested because the corrupt officials weren’t paid enough? Anyone know how “honest” such smugglers are?

    (To be a bit more bleak, if the 50 asylum seekers are carrying $US5000+ each, well… there’s a lot of empty ocean between Indonesia and NZ).

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  39. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    To say it would never happen because their boats are not seaworthy is a stupid argument. Whats to stop the smugglers upping the price and getting a more seaworthy boat?

    The smugglers already charge a price well in excess of a plane ticket here. Furthermore they don’t have a reputation of caring about customer satisfaction or even survival.

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  40. TM (99 comments) says:

    Christmas island is about 400km from Indonesia across calm warm waters. NZ is about 10,000km away, much of it across difficult and cold waters. And in between there is mainland Australia. The amount of money people would have to pay the smugglers to get to NZ is probably evidence enough to deny any economic refugees.

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  41. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    Talk of refugee conventions is a red herring assiduously used by the left.

    New Zealand governments of whatever persuasion faithfully adhere to the 1951 Convention. On the rare occasions one does not, the courts intervene. Ahmed Zaoui anyone? It was a Labour government that did not follow the convention in his case, and our Supreme Court that slapped the government down.

    Now please don’t use this as an excuse to heap vitriol on Zaoui, I only mention him in passing to assert that NZ governments of any persuasion uphold the 1951 convention faithfully (Zaoui was the rare and I think only exception since 1984) and would do so in the extremely unlikely case of a boat from Indonesia reaching our far-away shores.

    Scores of asylum-seekers arrive here by commercial air services every year and apply for refugee status under the convention at the airport. Their claims are carefully considered by various tribunals and those who fall under the convention are accepted.

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  42. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Metcalph
    So why has everyone one except one headed west to east?
    As had being said, what happens when they dont start using unseaworthy bombs?
    What about if they learn how to fibreglass a boat, thats cheap and very effective

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  43. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s an idiot. He should have a team on the beach’s of the far north equipped with Labour Party enrollment forms to capture the votes of these Wogs before they realise that we’re doing OK under JK! :)

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  44. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Longknives>And when they do finally arrive the Greens and Mana will be down there singing Maori songs and welcoming them all with open arms-Dave Dobbyn will be wailing away on his guitar and Robyn Malcolm and Keisha Castle Hughes will probably be there offering hugs in photoshoots.

    But then they’ll be sent to live in Southland or Gisborne. Because the Greens and other opposition parties have a No Asians policy for Auckland.

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  45. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    So why has everyone one except one headed west to east?

    You could at least look at wikipedia instead of making a fool of yourself. There was a failed rowing attempt in 1969 that left from Manukau Harbour. In 2007, four Australians rowed from in Hokianga in a successful attempt. The current is the main determinant and the East Australian Current does not go from west to east but behaves more like the Gulf Stream.

    As had being said, what happens when they dont start using unseaworthy bombs?
    What about if they learn how to fibreglass a boat, thats cheap and very effective

    I’ve already answered this. They are not interested in successful crossings. They are simply interested in getting cash in hand from the stupid. Getting seaworthy boats or carrying less passengers eats into their desired profit margin.

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  46. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    “and Robyn Malcolm and Keisha Castle Hughes will probably be there offering hugs in photoshoots.”

    I hope I’m not the only chap in NZ that thinks that both those hag’s are fugely! :)

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  47. m@tt (629 comments) says:

    Martinh. You are completely misunderstanding the driving force. As has been explained many times this is not a business transaction, it’s a scam, out and out. The people taking the cash will never make an attempt to purchase a boat any more costly than the hunks of junk they currently ‘acquire’ simply because they don’t give a shit whether people make it here or not. Getting them on something that will float and sending them out to sea is simply the easiest way to dispose of the bodies.

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  48. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Metcalph
    I said the The East Australian Current goes from Aussies east coast down and then east into the tasman towards NZ.
    Do you care to disagree with what i said or what that current does.
    If you dont believe me go and read my post again and or look at this webpage and scroll down to currents round NZ
    http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/res/pk/ecology.htm

    And there are plenty of other website with maps and none of themshow the current doing anything other than what i described

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  49. Reid (16,509 comments) says:

    Not too sure why many above appear to hallucinate that the main question in this issue is whether a boat will ever arrive. I mean it’s irrelevant what any of you think about that. The question is, is it possible? And it is. So move on and think about the ramifications WHEN it happens. This is a national security issue and like any other national security issue, all the professionals who work in the field do, is plan for the contingency. None of them ever waste time trying to guess whether or not it would come about because if they did that nothing would ever get done. This is why we track terrorists, for example. On the possibility that one day, some cell will plan an attack here. Whether or not we know of any specific plan to do so today, is quite irrelevant to the question of whether or not we should conduct tracking operations today. And this issue is precisely the same.

    No, we are a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention and treat all asylum-seekers humanely under the convention. Quite a number come here each year by scheduled air services and apply for asylum. We check their claims and grant asylum when warranted under the convention.

    We have made arrangements (in 2012 IIRC) for handling (and humanely processing) any large-scale arrivals by boat, but it is a very big IF if any such boat ever arrives, given the huge distance.

    Yeah yeah. Spoken like a true PC psychobabble bullshit practitioner, Dave. What about talking about all the expense we are required to be put to in processing said people? What about talking about the FACT that most of said people are NOT fleeing persecution but are merely looking for a better life in a cushy country? I realise those FACTS don’t fit the PC psychobabble bullshit memes lefties love to play when they get their hands on this issue, but they are the inconvenient truths which people should be made aware of, in this upcoming debate, when the first boatload finally does arrive.

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  50. holysheet (397 comments) says:

    Can someone explain why in this day and age we are still tied to a 60 year old convention that has no relevance to us here in NZ?
    Is it not time we stood on our own 2 feet and told the rest of the world to fuck off. We do not need these criminals coming here.
    If they were genuine refugees, how can they afford $5000 to pay these smugglers.?

    Tony Abbott might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer (like most aussies) BUT he’s done the right thing here in stopping the smuggling fleets trying to get to Auz. No matter how the rest of his term in office turns out this one action will always be revered by his country men. Good for him.

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  51. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    metcalph and M@tt
    I dont disagree that the smugglers use shit and unworthy boats but what if some develop a reputation for buying better boats and people paid more for that, saying they are always going to use shit boats is minimising what could happen.

    For instance A stolen 50ft launch would hold a lot of people for such a crossing

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  52. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Holysheet
    Id like to be the one to tell Helen and her mates like Chris Carter there to fuck off, i dont want anymore of these sifty people causing trouble in mosques filling up the Ellerslie carfair with dodgy cars and adding to the amount of taxis already on the road

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  53. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I don’t understand?

    How many boat loads of refugees have made it to NZ this year? Or last year, or even the year before?

    It appears to me, that three lots tying in the last three months, and not making it, seems to provide support for Cunliffe’s statement rather than disprove it.

    I think you’re going to have to look for more material – this one is short on supporting evidence. I’m sure there is plenty on Mr Cunliffe that can be used to mock him, but this example is not one of them.

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  54. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Judith
    The police caught them there, you need to read the article before you shoot your mouth off uninformed

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  55. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    We should pop KrimDotCon onto a super yacht disguised as a figurehead to welcome these folk to our shores.

    JB could accept large donations to speed their citizenship applications and flick them straight on to Maurice who could have a quiet chat to whoever mattered! :)

    Channels…expedition…get things done…don’t fuck about…results matter….etc. ! :)

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  56. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    They’ve never arrived …. We can be sure of this ?

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  57. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    What about talking about the FACT that most of said people are NOT fleeing persecution but are merely looking for a better life in a cushy country?

    The majority of the sad customers of these grasping people smugglers are Afghan Hazaras and Sri Lankan Tamils who endure massive persecution in their homelands. We have already taken in many Hazaras. They are desperate to escape Afghanistan. We will no doubt accept many more under the 1951 Convention.

    The question is, is it possible? And it is. So move on and think about the ramifications WHEN it happens. This is a national security issue and like any other national security issue, all the professionals who work in the field do, is plan for the contingency.

    Er, the NZ authorities have planned well for this contingency right down to major exercises on how to handle such an event should it ever happen, unlikely as that is.

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  58. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘”The chances of anything coming from Mars is a million to one”, he said. But still they come.’

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  59. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Dave53
    Well the UN should deal with these countries instead of pilfering them off to us

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  60. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    martinh (1,062 comments) says:
    May 25th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    The police caught them there, you need to read the article before you shoot your mouth off uninformed

    Perhaps it is you that needs to READ before shooting your own mouth off.

    My point was that there have been no boat people that have made it HERE! I don’t care where they might originate from they had the intention of coming here – the fact is, until some do make it here – Cunliffe’s statement remains supported.

    When people (refugees) from Indonesia do manage to complete their trip – then and only then, will he be wrong.

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  61. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Stop Press: Avondale spiders scuttling for cover under threat of Obummer drone strike!!! :)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11260760

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  62. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Cunliffe and all the other naysayers conveniently overlook the ship fill of asylum seekers that turned up in Canada a few years back. Only an idiot would suggest that it can never happen to us. We don’t need idiots trying to run the country.

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  63. Reid (16,509 comments) says:

    Er, the NZ authorities have planned well for this contingency right down to major exercises on how to handle such an event should it ever happen,

    Yes dave, I pointed that out on an earlier post on this on GD. The point is, that’s merely the initial detention processing angle sorted, but that’s just the start of the long drawn out years-long process and THAT is what we have no plans in place to deal with, together with not having any plans for the next boat, the one after that and the one after that, ad ifinitum, until the country gets so sick of it we do what Australia has done and impose a blanket rule rejecting every single one of them regardless of what the UN thinks about us doing that. That’s what we don’t have in place.

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  64. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    I said the The East Australian Current goes from Aussies east coast down and then east into the tasman towards NZ.

    I was the first to mention the East Australia Current. You were peddling bullshit about how the current in the Tasman could be affected by the prevailing wind.

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  65. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Plastic explosives surgeon under suspicion of being a jolly good chap! :)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11257805

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  66. Longknives (4,764 comments) says:

    “He is currently living in Auckland on state benefits and refuses to become employed. He stays in a local mosque and espouses anti-Western views. ..”

    Johnboy- Obviously his “hatred” of infidels like us doesn’t extend to our Social Welfare offices!

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  67. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    So what is it exactly that is lacking in our preparations to deal with an influx of boat people, vanishingly small though that likelihood may be.

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  68. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    I dont disagree that the smugglers use shit and unworthy boats but what if some develop a reputation for buying better boats and people paid more for that, saying they are always going to use shit boats is minimising what could happen.

    The people buying passage aren’t the sharpest knives around when it comes to maritime matters. They are paying prices of $US 10,000 to travel to NZ. At the height of the smuggling epidemic, they were paying prices of $13,000 to reach Christmas Island (This year prices, the prices are $1000-2000). The price doesn’t make sense. As matters stand, it’s far cheaper to buy a plane ticket and forged passports (Malaysia Airlines didn’t even check) and claim asylum upon arrival.

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  69. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Metcalph
    Thats exactly why i explained what the current does to you as you were asking why didnt the maoris go west from NZ.

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  70. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    Yes dave, I pointed that out on an earlier post on this on GD.

    GD? I don’t follow. Sorry, serious question. Is GD a blog or something?

    tks

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  71. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Metcalp
    Immigration nz checks for passport fraud before people board the planes at origin, hopefully border control mops up the rest but i agree if i was a asylum seeker id go by plane too

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  72. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    GD is General Debate right here at Kwiwblog. Particularly recommended at the full moon.

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  73. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    “We don’t need idiots trying to run the country.”

    The Canadians of course (being jolly good chaps) would have given them all red coats and made them all members of the RCMP.

    After a few lessons of “O Canada! ……Our home and native land!….etc. They would all have become natives wot hate the Yanks just like the rest of Canada!! :)

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  74. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Why isnt that mosque guy working or had his benefit cut?

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  75. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Cause Aunty Helen said it wouldn’t be so martinh and JK hasn’t got any balls! :)

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  76. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    GD is General Debate right here at Kwiwblog. Particularly recommended at the full moon.

    ROTFL! I’ve never looked at a General Debate. I only open entries with subject matter titles!

    Next full moon, I must remember to look at one :-)

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  77. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    Thats exactly why i explained what the current does to you as you were asking why didnt the maoris go west from NZ.

    The Maoris could sail against currents and prevailing winds. My point, you moron, was to show the exceptional difficulty of crossing the Tasman Sea as opposed to other parts of the pacific.

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  78. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    I expect the Greens to be thanking Abbott for turning them away from Australia so NZ get to be more compassionate.

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  79. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Metcalph
    No need to drop to name calling
    The point you dont seem to get is that crossing from west to east means you get to use the winds and current to your advantage.
    If any boats get to the top of australia and then reach the start of the East Australian current then they are well on their way here. To my knowledge no asylum boats have tried to come down into NZ by reaching the easterly current yet.
    Crossing east to west you are against the conditions the whole way which makes it a much more slower and dangerous journey. And as you said before they “arent sail boats” so therefore if they have no cloth up then going west to east in the current will be of tremendous help to them.

    I cant explain that any more simpler than that, sorry

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  80. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    Immigration nz checks for passport fraud before people board the planes at origin, hopefully border control mops up the rest but i agree if i was a asylum seeker id go by plane too

    Yes Immigration does that at most SE Asian ports and it stops many potential asylum seekers boarding flights to NZ. But those who do get through and claim asylum on arrival are treated faithfully under the Convention, and most are found to be genuine refugees and allowed to stay. We only reject those who are palpably not genuine refugees. We have a very good record on this, no matter who is the government.

    We also take in 700-plus refugees a year from the world’s refugee camps and help them settle here. It is a worthwhile humanitarian programme carried on by whoever has been our government and long may it continue.

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  81. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    My point, you moron

    This has actually been one of the more interesting debates I have followed on Kiwiblog. It’s a shame to see a comment like that, especially from someone whose posts I have generally agreed with. I agree with hardly anything I have read in this thread, but I have enjoyed its civil nature.

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  82. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Dave53
    Yeah a few people drop to this level of name calling when they lose their cool on here, theres still some good ones who will fight fair.
    I had the site owner David Farrar do it to me the other day.
    He disappointed me from doing that.
    I remember when i heard John Key telling Bernard Hickey to get a life, that tainted my view of Key then too

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  83. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    “The Maoris could sail against currents and prevailing winds. ”

    Yes indeed and the sad brown bastards are still sailing against all of the worlds prevailing currents and winds that suggest they should get an education and find a real job instead of relying on more treaty handouts from the stupid taxpayers of NZ.

    Thank goodness Rangitira Chris Finlayson still believes in the cargo cult! :)

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  84. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ dave53 (74 comments) says:
    May 25th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    Hang around, for some strange reason people are being unusually polite at the moment. Usually it gets very personal, very quickly and the is not a place for the faint hearted or easily offended.

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  85. BigFish (132 comments) says:

    Wow – big debate over an Aussie-style media beat up in the same issue of a paper that shrieks about boat people, spies, Asian job-takers, Maori racists and the overweight (read: Pacific Islanders and poor people vs PC brigade).
    Nothing like the fear of foreigners to stir up the terminally dim-witted and racist in an election year.
    Glad I stopped subscribing to the Sunday Star Times. It’s worse than the Truth was.

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  86. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    It’s only cause we’re sick of handing out dosh to losers BigFish.

    They’ll vote for Cunliffe anyway! :)

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  87. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    The force is strong in the Murri Loser apologists this afternoon! :)

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  88. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Bugger me Minus…get a fuckin life can’t you! :)

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  89. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    BigFish>Nothing like the fear of foreigners to stir up the terminally dim-witted and racist in an election year.

    Yep. People are really only worried about hordes of boat people because they’d push up Auckland house prices and buy our sacred NZ farms.

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  90. dave53 (91 comments) says:

    Hang around, for some strange reason people are being unusually polite at the moment. Usually it gets very personal, very quickly and the is not a place for the faint hearted or easily offended.

    Hah! Nothing offends me. People are entitled to their views, whatever those views are. But I can see some major deterioration taking place. At least Redbaiter isn’t here today!

    Good to see nothing has reached the invocation of Godwin though :-)

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  91. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    Nobody knows for sure what is happening in Australia. The Abbott government says virtually nothing about asylum seekers.

    But Cunliffe is right, the chances of any boats reaching NZ is very slim.

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  92. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    “But Cunliffe is right, the chances of any boats reaching NZ is very slim.”

    Specially if a chinless dawk like him was navigating! :)

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  93. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    It’s very slim that boat people will make it NZ – ummm how was NZ settled and how did the craft that were used compare to the boats used today.

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  94. holysheet (397 comments) says:

    It’s okay johnboy, I just gave you three upticks

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  95. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Like this burt:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Endeavour

    Anything that came before her could hardly be described as carrying any form of civilisation! :)

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  96. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    If I was a younger man and a poofter I’d have your children holysheet! :)

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  97. OneTrack (3,114 comments) says:

    What I don’t get is why Cunliffe seems to think that south-east asians are apparently so incapable of making, buying, maintaining or helming boats. So much so, that he asserts that it is physically impossible for them to get a boat from there to New Zealand.

    There is a word for that. Thinking… It’ll come to me. Oh, I forgot. It’s ok when the left does it.

    As martinh says, it should be a really easy and calm downwind run across the top of Australia, and then downwind to NZ. And no mean Mr Abbot to turn them back when they get here. The people smugglers will probably be charging more because it sounds so much better than Australia. Almost as good as it was when the Australian Labour Party was in power.

    Or, of course, is he just saying what his sycophants want to hear. And when a boat does make it, or worse yet breaks up on the Manukau bar., well he’ll be PM (or deputy PM depending on how his coalition negotiations with Winston, Russel and Metiria go), so who cares if he just made stuff up. Or, possibly he really believes it, which is worse.

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  98. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Greens will view them as potential Green voters in the future…..watch out for human right abuse claims and the civil libertarians scream at the top of their voice if John Key even comments on that. Some joker still keeps writing in Herald about Kiwis being killed in drone strikes.

    Everything in this country is John Key’s fault. If he tries to prevent terrorist strikes, it is John Key’s problem. If the terrorists do strike, it will also be John Key’s problem. I say just ignore all these morons and get on with your job John Key.

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  99. OneTrack (3,114 comments) says:

    andronicus – “But Cunliffe is right, the chances of any boats reaching NZ is very slim.”

    He didn’t just say slim, he said the same probability as an invasion from mars. Cunliffe talking rubbish since whenever. Starter for 10, will our independent media call him out on it.

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  100. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    So if by some strange anomaly JK loses to DC Sir Cullen all of these problems will suddenly become DC’s fault.

    I hope Matt has a press release ready for DC to explain why his buddy Obummer had to nuke some sadarse NZ’r in the Yemen or some other Godforsaken shithole like it! :)

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  101. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    “Tojo” Cunliffe will do anything to get out of the shit, especially with his latest ratings. The rainbow rectum reamers room is now on a war footing to take leadership of Labour. Grant and Alf are already playing kings and “Queens”.

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  102. OneTrack (3,114 comments) says:

    johnboy – “So if by some strange anomaly JK loses to DC Sir Cullen all of these problems will suddenly become DC’s fault.”

    The people smugglers are quite probably waiting for the election and the end of winter. If Green/Labour/ManaIP/Winston get in, they will be on their way and looking forward to a rapturous welcome on the beaches to chorus’ of kumbaya.

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  103. OneTrack (3,114 comments) says:

    johnboy – “I hope Matt has a press release ready for DC to explain why his buddy Obummer had to nuke some sadarse NZ’r in the Yemen or some other Godforsaken shithole like it! ”

    David Cunliffe will just sit Obama down and say, “Look Big O, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. And you really dont want to face our the fisheries protection vessel.”

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  104. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    There shall undoubtably be an escort of tattooed freaks to escort them ashore just as was done when the Pakeha arrived OneTrack.

    Hope the new boat people aren’t stupid enough to sign a treaty with the natives! :)

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  105. Gulag1917 (929 comments) says:

    Not only boat people who are blatantly breaking the law, it is all the people legally landed as tourists involved in immigration scams is a bigger concern. New Zealand will be seen as a soft touch so expect to be invaded.

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  106. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Quite right, Gulag. Illegal immigrants arrive here all the time. Doesn’t seem to be a big problem, does it? Nor should we be too worried that a random boatload has a tiny chance of arriving. No need to panic at a breathless story in the Sunday Star-Times.

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  107. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    davidp says it’s “racist and dimwitted ” to oppose illegal immigration!

    I don’t care what colour they are. They can join the queue like everyone else.

    Typical leftist pillock to turn an essentially economic, moral and legal issue into a race issue.

    Another issue is Cunners should be very concerned about illegal immigration as any jobs that they are going to take up will be low paid ones effecting the New Zealand working classes ,causing competition for scarce resources in public housing, education,health , welfare etc

    But then New Zealand Labour no longer care about their traditional base ( feral Coasters etc ) anymore ,they’re now busy appealing to the so called rainbow as well as the urban dwelling ,latte supping , public sector dependant vote.

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  108. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    HOBM usually snaps them up straight away if they can show superior ball-handling skills to the incumbent team anyway milkey.

    Not that that would be difficult! :)

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  109. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    kowtow>davidp says it’s “racist and dimwitted ” to oppose illegal immigration!

    I don’t recall saying anything even remotely like that. Are you confusing me with someone with a completely different name?

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  110. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    We need these buggers as a hole in the head. NZ much better off without them.

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  111. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Johnboy (13,781 comments) says:
    May 25th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
    If I was a younger man and a poofter I’d have your children holysheet! :)

    Could you explain how a younger ‘poofter’ male would be able to have a child someone’s child ? I get the feeling I must have been away the day they explained that in biology.

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  112. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    davidp

    My humblest apologies. You were quoting bigfish!

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  113. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    From A Bolt

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/this_is_not_immigration_that_enriches_us/

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  114. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Folks – 3 News opinion poll is due out tonight and I think TV1 poll will also be there. Lisa Owen in “The Nation” programme this morning said “we will see who got the budget bump in our poll today at 6:00 O’ clock”. I get the feeling that National would have received a 3-4 point jump for sure.

    Here is how Paddy “the Labour” Gower will spin it – “Despite an election year bribe budget, National managed to get only a 4 point lift while Labour will be very pleased a drop of just two points. Greens are holding steady and that can only be good news for a potential Labour government. Overall John Key will be very disappointed with a 51% result in this poll as he would have been expecting to reach 80% by now. A change of government is starting to look like a distinct possibility”.

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  115. Gulag1917 (929 comments) says:

    I think there is underestimation of the determination of illegal boat arrivals. e.g.
    “I hear the reports about the boats sinking. I know what’s happening. I know they’re all prepared to die for a better life in Australia — including my brother.”
    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/asia/afghanistan-asylum-seekers-coren/

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  116. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    No sweat Judith. I’d just get reamed out and pop one of these up my crutch.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_vagina

    I’ve heard that a chap can get far more satisfaction out of emptying his sack into one of these than the equivalent version on a woman…… and they don’t give instructions on how you should be putting it in either! :)

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  117. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    When you lift the cork on ginger beer (send Green Party signals) the bubbles rise.
    There are a lot of people who support open borders (Bryce Edwards) and they falsely label themselves as green/ labour.

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  118. mara (788 comments) says:

    They are destination shoppers not refugees. A true refugee would go to the nearest safe destination not push on to NZ or Australia, home of the welfare mentality.

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  119. G152 (349 comments) says:

    Any-one who thinks that small vessels cannot traverse the Pacific need to count the numbers of visiting boats in the Bay of Islands, Whangarei town basin and the Sounds.

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