Latest TV3 exclusive scandal – National is selling access to dead people

May 14th, 2014 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

3 News reported:

The National Party is facing more accusations of systematic fundraising like it does with its Cabinet Clubs.

This time it’s through a trust called the National Foundation, which targets large donations from deceased estates.

I thought the media reporting on fundraising issues couldn’t get more stupid – but this is definitely a new low.

3 News thinks there is something wrong with a political party doing “systematic” fundraising, and specifically that supporters of National are being asked to leave a bequest in their wills.

I’m sorry, but WHAT THE FUCK?

Do they think dead people are getting access to Ministers in return for donations from their estates?

Or are they worried that dead people are purchasing policies to make heaven a nice place to live?

Should we have a law to stop people donating money to political parties in their wills?

This is the moment where coverage of this issue did not just jump the shark, but the shark ate Fonzie.

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67 Responses to “Latest TV3 exclusive scandal – National is selling access to dead people”

  1. tvb (4,415 comments) says:

    No it is National stealing money from the beneficiaries of family estates. Reminds me of the rather large bequest the Labour Party got, which they took eagerly.

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  2. geoff3012 (75 comments) says:

    Heaps of charities etc do this and have for years…its nothing new by a long way………what the f….k drugs are they on?

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  3. NK (1,243 comments) says:

    The whole notion that people can choose to give their money freely to political parties in their wills is abhorrent. Such decisions can only be made by the State. People are stupid. The State is glorious.

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  4. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    Whoever came up with this really needs to be given a lesson in life.

    Looking for bequests from members and supporters is a time honoured way for not only political parties, sports clubs, service clubs, charitable institutions and similar to obtain funding. It is not a new form of fund raising.

    Pushing this as a controversy shows how bereft of ideas TV3 is.

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  5. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    Yep, the same TV3 to which this very government lent a generous amount of money to save it from oblivion.
    Crony capitalism gone awry!

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  6. SW (240 comments) says:

    Has this been reported as ‘something wrong’ – or just something that happens?

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  7. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    I have an even better fundraising idea. National members of more than 20 years standing can pay $5000 to have their ashes placed in a niche in the walls of 41 Pipitea Street. This will give them frequent celestial access to Sir Keith Holyoake.

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  8. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    John Key ticked off Judith Collins saying Notional wern’t at war with the media.

    Well Johnny ,the media are at war with you. Watcha gonna do?

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  9. Pete George (23,558 comments) says:

    New Zealand Labour Party
    $430,259.33
    9 May 2013
    Estate of Brian James Dalley Public Trust

    $411,500.00 received on 23 April 2012,
    $7,250.00 received on 2 May 2012,
    $1,282.50 received on 24 July 2012, and
    $226.83 received on 27 July 2012

    http://www.elections.org.nz/parties-candidates/registered-political-parties/party-donations/donations-exceeding-30000/returns

    So what.

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  10. georgebolwing (844 comments) says:

    Are the following organisations also going to be “under fire” for seeking bequests:

    Greenpeace!!!!!!: http://www.greenpeace.org/new-zealand/en/take-action/donate/bequest/

    The SCPA: http://www.spca.org.nz/donate/Bequests.aspx

    Victoria university: https://www.victoria.ac.nz/alumniandfriends/support-victoria/leave-a-legacy

    Forest and Bird: http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/support-us/leave-gift-in-your-will

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  11. Cunningham (844 comments) says:

    Seriously, TV3 are just making themselves look stupid now.

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  12. ross001 (206 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  13. anonymouse (715 comments) says:

    I’m waiting for Labour and the Greens to say they will re-introduce death duties to fund political parties, – I double dare them,

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  14. Rich Prick (1,699 comments) says:

    “Systemic fundraising”. How evil, vile and corrupt. TV3, that’s called a “fail”, and until it recognises it’s stupidity it should be anywhere near “political reporting” until after the election.

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  15. Chris2 (766 comments) says:

    Next TV3 will run a story about how the National Government cut them some slack with their annual frequency spectrum fees, which TV3 could not afford to pay at the time.

    Obviously a blatant case of the Government paying for access to the media.

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  16. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Did anyone listen to Newstalkzb at 4 pm? They have given the lying “Tojo” prime space to whinge about the inequities in society re benefits. Also this extension to servicemen does not concern Labour, they being the mongrels that spat at Vietnam vets and threw red paint at them, Clark and possibly Mallard being instigators.

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  17. Ryan Sproull (7,109 comments) says:

    Bequests are a primary source of donations for non-profits. It’s extremely common practice.

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  18. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    The only good thing about Tv3 is Paul Henry.

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  19. flipper (4,050 comments) says:

    I cannot say that I am surprised, because it shows how simple the children employed in the electronic media are – and bereft even of the intelligence to get advice. My recollection is that the Law Society’s publications regularly carry advertisements from a raft of charitable organisations reminding them of the value of bequests.

    One could ask the source of the suggestion to TV3 et al that this is “news”, but there is really no need.

    Childish Labour/Green activists infest the electronic media…. and most of the print media.

    Still it is a good thing that this matter has degenerated into debate over the intrusion of fund raisers into the graves of potential donors. It adds to the absurdity of Peters’ claims yesterday.

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  20. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  21. Liam Hehir (125 comments) says:

    “Scandalgate” continues.

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  22. georgebolwing (844 comments) says:

    The Greens in Australia ask for bequests on their website:

    http://greens.org.au/bequest

    As do these other New Zealand organisations who I am hoping TV3 will expose:

    http://www.stjohn.org.nz/Support-us/Bequests/?gclid=CNjhz6rIqr4CFdcSvQodx54AWg

    https://www.childfund.org.nz/leave-a-bequest?gclid=CKmp_OTIqr4CFQpxvAodx5MAXA

    http://www.cancernz.org.nz/help-us/your-good-will-will-make-a-difference-bequests/

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  23. Rich Prick (1,699 comments) says:

    Oh for the love of God, have a look at the corruption comments under the article. *Shakes head in disbelief*. And to think those people are given a responsibility with an orange marker pen on election day.

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  24. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    Flipper,
    From time to time advertisements soliciting bequests appear in law society publications. They also appear in magazines and ephemera produced by service clubs, sports clubs and charitable entities.
    I suspect that that accusations Ms Obrien mentions are hers and she has been interviewing her own typewriter (or whatever she uses).
    The delicate little flower should get out into the real world more.

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  25. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    RP,
    I looked at the comments on the TV3 site too. the stupidity is strong there.

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  26. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    If they’ve suddenly come over all holy, and are shocked at how political parties raise money, why are they only focussing on National?

    This and other forms of fundraising, such as National’s Cabinet Clubs, are not foreign to other New Zealand political parties.

    They clearly think this is an issue, but why just focus on National?

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  27. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    These people leaving bequests are obviously just preparing to support the government of their choice once the zombie apocalypse occurs…. :)

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  28. Bill Ted (93 comments) says:

    Tova just does what she’s told by Paddy. And Paddy is on a mission to make the election as close a run thing as possible, hence why the coverage is so skewed against National. Unfortunately TV3 doesn’t realise that it’s demographic is already 70% pinko so their influence is pretty limited. It’s actually Corin Dann the Nats should be worried about – beneath that suit there’s a Labour logo tattoed on his chest…

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  29. Richard Hurst (855 comments) says:

    Look, when TV3 have a news dept that’s pro-left and a bit thick combined with a growing economy, less people on welfare, increasing numbers of Kiwi’s coming home from Oz, lowering crime stat’s etc, etc.. under a National govt what else are TV3 supposed to do? They’ve got to come up with something or risk looking non-bias. Heaven forbid!

    All JK needs to say in reply to this non-issue are 4 words: Owen Glenn, Donations, Monaco.
    OR: Cunliffe, Donations, Secret Trust.

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  30. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    This is only a big issue if they are approaching people that are ill and/or vulnerable.

    It has been done for years by many organisations, and although I personally believe is distasteful, when there is only so much money to go round, most of these organisations need to get their money somehow.

    Whilst it is broadly respectable for organisations like SPCA etc, I think it is a bad look for political parties to do it. They are hardly a ‘charitable’ organisation, by most people’s common definition of ‘charitable’.

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  31. Grizz (605 comments) says:

    These bequeaths are voluntary. It is not like they are wanting people to forcefully fund political parties they despise through compulsory taxation.

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  32. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Psycho: The only party leader that is a liar is your friend “Tojo”. There is conclusive proof to cover this daily. He has now even Photoshopped to enhance himself . . . get a life you are supporting a loser.

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  33. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ georgebolwing (516 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    There is a very big difference between St Johns, Childfund and CancerNZ and the National Party or any of the other political parties that probably do it.

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  34. flipper (4,050 comments) says:

    alex Masterley (1,459 comments) says:

    May 14th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Flipper,
    From time
    *****

    Yep, quite correct.

    And for Judith: The message is directed mainly at solicitors assisting clients when preparing their last will and testament. That is the proper time, and it is time honoured.

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  35. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    This is why I don’t even bother with TV News anymore, on any channel. It’s just liberal-left propaganda much of the time.

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  36. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (888 comments) says:

    TV3 has gone crazy starting right from their resident communist Paddy Labour Gower to John I love Labour Campbell. The only sane voice in TV3 is Paul Henry.

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  37. georgebolwing (844 comments) says:

    My point is that the TV3 article is a complete beatup. The two opening paragraphs are:

    “The National Party is facing more accusations of systematic fundraising like it does with its Cabinet Clubs.

    This time it’s through a trust called the National Foundation, which targets large donations from deceased estates.”

    Later it says: “There’s even a sample codicil for wannabe donors to change their wills with ease.”

    I was simply pointing out that many organisations, including Greenpeace and the Greens in Australia and a number of charities ask people to make bequests and provide advice on how to do it.

    It is pretty clear to me that the reporter has no knowledge of fund-raising and, it would appear, can’t do the simple task of googling “bequests New Zealand”, like I did, to see how common the practice is.

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  38. Changeiscoming (189 comments) says:

    The MSM clearly showing their biased hand before the election.

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  39. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ igm (1,008 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    prove it was photoshopped. Prove that your own leader hasn’t had media photoshopped, and you may have a point, until then, mere speculation does not make a liar out of anyone

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  40. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ flipper (3,310 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    That is good to know. Would be rather improper for any political party or probably any organisation to be lining up outside the rest homes, IMO.

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  41. RRM (9,915 comments) says:

    Which only goes to show how little travelled some people at TV3 are.

    Plenty of institutions ask elderly patrons to consider leaving a bequest; theatres do it, universities do it, not just political parties.

    Christ, looking at some of the hare-brained ideas the government in waiting has floated in the last twelve months, if I were on my death bed I’d be thinking pretty bloody seriously about leaving the Nats a little something in my will to keep those loons from ruining the country, as one of the best things I could leave my grandchildren!

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  42. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    Maybe TV3 is playing a game. You know, the game where someone says “Mine is bigger than yours.”

    This could be a game of “We’re more pathetic than you as a media outlet.”

    They probably believe they have to get that extreme to have any hope of competing with WhaleOil and Kiwiblog. They will have to show some longevity yet, ditch any staff with a modicum of reality and employ people who don’t mind being told to get out of the sandpit by the ones already resident.

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  43. noskire (842 comments) says:

    Tomorrows TV3 beat-up:

    More people are dying under a National Government than at any other time in New Zealand history, and Labour leader David Cunliffe says this is an obvious effort to gather more fundraising for the party from bequests.

    “Look, hard-working Kiwis are dropping like flies, it’s endemic, and their hard-earned estates are falling into the hands of John Key and his rich mates so they can afford to play more golf” Mr Shearer said.

    The Labour leader pledged that a Government under his watch would stop people from dying, or at the very least delay death a little bit, so they could choose what they wanted to do with their assets long into retirement.

    Mr Shearer was confident that this policy, along with a chain of State-funded crematoriums, to be called Kiwi Blaze, would see Labour sweep to power in this year’s election.

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  44. Scott Chris (6,133 comments) says:

    Wow and even bigger scandal than:

    OMFG – Cunliffe Photo Touched Up!!!

    :roll:

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  45. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    I think the most likely explanation for this gaffe from TV3 will turn out to be that they employ uneducated teenagers and tell them they are reporters. They don’t cost much, you see.

    Trouble is, the stupid teenagers believe there really ARE reporters.

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  46. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    “John Key ticked off Judith Collins saying Notional wern’t at war with the media.” Did he? The media would like to think he did. She packed a tanty under extreme stress (worthy of a UN investigation) and John Key wanted her to have ‘time out’ to de-stress.

    “Well Johnny ,the media are at war with you. Watcha gonna do?” Continue behaving like an honourable gentleman – this will drive the media crazy and make them look silly. Bryce Edward’s academic integrity is already being questioned by his university peers for example. Tracey Watkins is now looking a twit predicting Judith’s demise, and she and her fellow journalists are having to dig themselves out of it. Why should John waste time on them, when they will simply self-destruct.

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  47. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    I can remember the bequest to which Pete George refers earlier. There was a fuss about it at the time because the Labour Party did not declare it. Mr Barnett, in his wisdom, could not determine whether it was a gift or not.

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  48. RF (1,396 comments) says:

    Just watched thumb head on TV. You know that temporary labour leader looking for a chin.

    What a slimy creep. How in the hell do people trust this thing.

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  49. themanwhowatches (31 comments) says:

    ross001 – “substantial personal benefits”? Tell us what they were please. Exclude travel and/or accommodation provided by a foreign Government, which otherwise would have been paid by the taxpayer (an in my opinion, should have been). Or perhaps you might just confess to making stuff up?

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  50. Bad__Cat (140 comments) says:

    KiwiDeath

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  51. jp_1983 (212 comments) says:

    Maybe labour needs someone to throw them a bone,
    They owe £27000 to Socialist International.
    http://www.socialistinternational.org/images/dynamicImages/files/Outstanding%20Fees%2030%20April%202014.pdf

    come on comrades pay up.

    they havent paid since 2006

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  52. freemark (580 comments) says:

    Is it just me, or does anyone else find it fascinatingly (in a train wreck way) hilarious watching “Judith’s” wafer thin veneer of rational & balanced commenting disintegrate into farce as the Opposition’s killer blows on Key & Collins turn out to be (predictably) fizzling little non stories?

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  53. jp_1983 (212 comments) says:

    note above im not a comrade…

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  54. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    I’m sorry, but WHAT THE FUCK?

    Which, by coincidence, was exactly what I thought when you posted the previous Cunliffe piece.

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  55. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Going by the look of Winston these days I suspect a large donation to National is very close:)

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  56. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    …as the Opposition’s killer blows on Key & Collins turn out to be (predictably) fizzling little non stories?

    You mean like: ooooeeewww lookeeeeee Cunliffe’s got airbrushed hair and bigger boobs? Scandal!

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  57. srylands (410 comments) says:

    Comrade I think the issue is that he has been fully transplanted into a photo. Which is noteworthy. I doubt anyone here would be scandalised by the leader being a little air-brushed.

    In contrast, being scandalised by a political party seeking bequests really, really, does warrant a serious WTF. Not becasause of what it IS but because of what it INDICATES of the flawed thought processes of the reporter and the editor. Those thought processes will be applied tomorrow to new issues.

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  58. Grant (443 comments) says:

    Funny thing is though, if you go to the article on the TV3 website and check out the comments, you’ll find that some people do see this as some sort of corruption:

    eg, “The morally corrupt generally stick together… none of the righties here will speak out against it.”

    and this one; “how ironic and prophetic for t the rotten stinking corpse of the national party”

    and this gem; ”

    NATIONAL SUPPORTERS… CONTROLLING THE NEXT GENERATIONS LIVES FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE!!

    WoOoOoOOoooO… KINDA CREEPY TO ME!

    JUST DONATE TO CHARITY LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE.”

    Fortunately these morons are in the minority and TV3 are getting a good slagging for their stupidity from most commentators, (as they should).
    G

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  59. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “watching “Judith’s” wafer thin veneer” – reminded me of Monty Python:
    http://www.montypython.net/sounds/meaning/wafer.wav

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  60. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Comrade I think the issue is that he has been fully transplanted into a photo.

    Of which you have no more proof than Winston has a pie in the oven. In fact DPF has even conceded “he was there”. You’re all as bad as each other, Blue Comrade… Zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz. Wake me up after October will ya?

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  61. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “Wake me up after October will ya?”
    Perhaps a few months after, you sound like you’re a bit wound up and could do with a sleep-in.

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  62. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    Is “The only good thing about Tv3 is Paul Henry” more of a comment about the commentator than the TV channel?

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  63. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Liam Hehir: Wonderful piece in the “Manawatu Standard”. How the hell did their left-wing editorial staff allow it . . . was it passed by HO and the socialist plebs overruled? The editor and his deputy must be spewing!

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  64. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    If National are receiving donations from the deceased it shows more Labour envy. None of their supporters would have eff all to leave, after all, they live in envy, never doing anything, achieving anything, being anything, or having anything . . . leeches!

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  65. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    Best thing on TV3 in addition to Paul Henry is the very classy Janika ter Ellen.
    Comparable to TV1 “Fair Go” Pippa Wetzell.
    All the others are stale.

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  66. Fentex (971 comments) says:

    Do they think dead people are getting access to Ministers in return for donations from their estates?

    I suspect they think live people are getting access on the promise of a future donation from their estates.

    Quite a good wheeze, as such promises are not donations that must be declared. As long as trust exists between participants such a scheme neatly circumvents provisions for transparency.

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  67. 2boyz (262 comments) says:

    I recently saw an ad on TV, the Salvation Army was asking people to remember to bequeath estates or parts there of so they could continue to do the good work that they apparently do.

    This is one of many, it’s a beat up.

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