Leave MPs homes alones

May 27th, 2014 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

The Dom Post reports:

Prime Minister John Key has hit out at protesters who gathered at his home last night, to protest his position on deadly drone strikes. …

Last night, protesters including Internet Party leader Kim Dotcom and protester John Minto gathered outside Key’s family home in Parnell, for a candlelight vigil.

The group said it was highlighting New Zealand’s “complicity” in drone strikes, by providing information believed to be used in identifying targets.

Today, Key said he was not happy about their presence outside his home.

“My own personal view is that I am actually opposed to outside politician’s houses, that includes my own house,” he said.

“My reason for that is there were plenty of opportunities for legitimate people who wanted to protest, to protest me yesterday – I was at the CNI [central North Island] conference for the National Party in Hamilton, there was plenty of opportunity to do that.

“But that’s the place [his home] where my family lives and I don’t think many New Zealanders would think it’s okay to wander round to David Cunliffe’s house and start protesting out there.”

I agree. MPs have children and spouses at home, and they should be able to live in their home without being targeted.

MPs have electorate offices where protests can be targeted. Political parties also have offices. And there are government buildings also. On top of that one can protest politicians when they turn up to events. All fine.

But targeting MPs at their homes is not fine in my opinion.

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53 Responses to “Leave MPs homes alones”

  1. David Garrett (6,786 comments) says:

    An absolute disgrace…If I put in writing what I think should happen to such protestors I would probably get a visit from the constabulary.

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  2. alloytoo (468 comments) says:

    Homes are easy stationary targets for Rent a Mob. The operative word here is “Stationary”, a moving target would require brain power and effort.

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  3. Ashley Schaeffer (443 comments) says:

    John Minto has form for this kind of low-life behaviour.
    And Kim Dotcon should be arrested for stalking Key as he really is becoming obsessive.

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  4. lilman (932 comments) says:

    Dealing with the shit of society here,pure and simple.

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  5. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Considering Minto thinks it’s okay to stand outside a Tennis Centre and scream racist taunts,abuse and threats at a young Israeli Tennis player I think any attempts to reason would fall on deaf ears..

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  6. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

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  7. David Garrett (6,786 comments) says:

    ‘Knives: Quite so….does anyone know what the odious Minto does for a living? Secretary of some union isn’t he?

    Pity JK’s house isn’t out here in the rural sector…down a very long drive as it would be… out here you also have to be very careful of large pieces of agricultural machinery on the move…I had to rather forcefully dissuade a mate from having a “misshap” with his very large tractor when TVNZ were parked outside in September 2010…

    Judith: When was there a candlelit vigil outside Clark’s house? Do tell….on the contrary I seem to recall her getting very energized when the location of her residence was made public…You know the place…villa in Mt Albert “his and hers” food in the fridge..

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  9. unaha-closp (1,141 comments) says:

    Helen has a family? When did that happen?

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  10. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Yoza- I can just see Kim Dotcom wiping a tear away from his blubbery eye every time he reads of Drone Attacks in the Middle East (While he stuffs yet another hamburger down his gullet..)

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  11. Cunningham (829 comments) says:

    The left continually shoot themselves in the foot. They do this kind of shit and then are surprised when the public have no sympathy for their cause. It is just like Labour. They play dirty time and time again and then wonder why their support is low. These people are seriously slow learners.

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  12. jp_1983 (200 comments) says:

    Yoza (1,404 comments) says:
    May 27th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    Although it is a little rough targeting Key’s home, it is Key’s utter contempt for human life that is the greater evil. Key supports extrajudicial killings that wipe out everything in the immediate vicinity of the target; some estimates place the unintentionally killed at 50:1. As long as Key supports the murderous antics of the US security apparatus I don’t see how anyone with a conscience could sympathise with his whining about protestors outside his security compound.

    If you have any evidence of this, pack your bags, go to the Hague and make a complaint.
    On your way back, go visit Yemen and see what the ‘targets’ are actually doing.

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  13. David Garrett (6,786 comments) says:

    Yoza the sad old commie: So if by some miracle Cunliffe became PM in a few months, you would think it quite acceptable for the vermin to target HIS mansion if Labour didn’t withdraw from or substantially alter the terms of the five eyes agreement??

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  14. OTGO (526 comments) says:

    Things must be ramping up for KDC. And not in a good way. He is becoming increasingly desperate as we lead into the election by showering cash around and being seen protesting outside the home of NZ’s most liked PM. Ever.

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  15. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    What Cunningham said. Let them be dicks, it just drives up support for National.

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  16. G152 (232 comments) says:

    We’ll soon bee able to line up to wave goodbye as they send Crimdotcon off to the USA.
    As for the rentamob they’ll give the GCSB a target to practice on

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  17. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    These people, Minto, KDC et al, are scum and have no sense of decency. True scum of the Earth.

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  18. Simon (717 comments) says:

    The scum outside Key’s house are like Yoza it is not the power of the State they oppose they simply want the power of the State for their own purposes.

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  19. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (839 comments) says:

    The low life that is called John Minto has sold out to Kim Dotcom for cash. He has no moral right to protest any where. People won’t even bother to turn up anything he organises. He is a bottom feeding troll of the lowest cadre.

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  20. AG (1,820 comments) says:

    Yeah – I agree. One of the nice things about NZ is the comparative lack of security/separation between our politicians and the people. But once you start having protests outside their residences, then you can’t blame them for tooling up and building compounds. Plus, being in a politician’s family already is bad enough without having this come to your doorstep.

    So … picket their meetings/heckle their speeches. But let them go home to their families at night and have a life there.

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  21. anticorruptionnz (202 comments) says:

    I beg to differ I asked questions about corruption in New Zealand, in particular why we had a private law enforcement authority which did not exist in any identifiable form ( not a legal person in any way )

    Mr Key knows about it and has ignored it all along, David Cunliffe knows about it and has ignored it. The questions I asked caused me to be sued, denied a defence of truth and honest opinion and effectively sentenced without being found guilty first . Additionally My family was the target and as a result my marriage broke down it couldn’t stand the financial and on going stress

    constantly I am told if you cant stand the heat keep out of the kitchen, Well I didn’t even know what I was letting my self in for, I foolishly believed our courts relied on facts and evidence and if I had received the information which was withheld( and ultimately released) in a timely manner then I would never have had to go through the crap I suffered for 8 long years and am still experiencing .

    I now have to sell the family home because of that one question.. I have proved a thousand times and have a truck load of evidence that the private law enforcement authority did not have any legal existence and no accountability to the public it was founded on fraud and its success proves that it was the perfect fraud .

    If the politicians dont care about our lives our families and what is near and dear to us , why should we give them that respect. If the politicians turn a blind eye to corruption then they themselves are corrupt .

    If I was a Chinese business I could get the ear of a politician at the drop of a hat, but being a NZ citizen dealt to on a issue of corruption I get the cold shoulder – worse I get persecuted

    Politicians who act ethically dont attract protests .

    – By the way I was not there .

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  22. doggone7 (756 comments) says:

    Yoza

    A lovely nuanced hypocrisy when the supporters of Slater and David Farrar hope (and probably pray) when the criminals of our society get their just desserts, their come tuppence in jail. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

    Some people consider if a politician perpetrates something disagreeable they should not be afforded the respect of being able to rest on their laurels in their safe havens. Others think the politicians’ own homes should be off limits. There is no rule book but we all want to make the decision about who should be offended by what actions of politicians and if they are, what they should do or not do to show their displeasure.

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  24. OneTrack (2,834 comments) says:

    Judith – “Didn’t see the same people complaining when it was done to Helen. Changing times I guess”

    Do you have a link for that?

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  25. OneTrack (2,834 comments) says:

    Just some more nasty lefties. Condition normal, nothing to see here, move along.

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  26. Peter (1,673 comments) says:

    They can disagree with a politician. They can protest against a politician. What they should not be allowed to do is protest outside the politicians private residence. I would support Hone, David, Helen and John in this equally.

    I suggest a law change. Protests outside private residences should be moved on if the owner so wishes. Those who don’t move on are arrested for breach of the peace.

    That is reasonable. That is civil.

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  27. Kimbo (747 comments) says:

    The questions I asked caused me to be sued, denied a defence of truth and honest opinion and effectively sentenced without being found guilty first .

    Hmm. A free piece of legal and practical advice that may help you avoid this in future: Don’t wear a tin foil hat in public.

    There. Problem sorted!

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  28. Rich Prick (1,635 comments) says:

    Especially if it looks like there’s lightning on the way.

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  29. prosper (141 comments) says:

    Judith ALL MP,s homes should be off limits to protesters otherwise we are going to wind up with tax payer funded security guards looking after all our politicians similar to the U.S.

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  30. ShawnLH (4,447 comments) says:

    “Although it is a little rough targeting Key’s home, it is Key’s utter contempt for human life that is the greater evil. ”

    It’s your utter contempt for human life that is the real evil. How many innocent human lives would you be willing to sacrifice to terrorists because they were not dealt with before carry out attacks?

    Why do leftie’s like you and mad Marxist Minto pretend to care about the value of human life when your real agenda is sympathy for terrorists and making it easier for them to operate?

    Key is helping to defend life from psychotic mass murderers, and the gutter scum protesting outside his home are nothing more than morally bankrupt serial killer supporters.

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  31. Mike Readman (361 comments) says:

    It’s okay for Key to target Kiwis’ homes by flying drones over the cities. Open your eyes you BRAIN DEAD KIWIS, this government is spying on everything you do, just like their Globalist masters have told/taught them to.

    “Key is helping to defend life from psychotic mass murderers”.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA. Are you serious? Some people are so easily brainwashed, it’s downright scary!

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  32. Nostalgia-NZ (5,045 comments) says:

    This (drones) is going to become the Vietnam, ‘Springbok tour,’ Nuclear free zone argument of the present. Hope it is handled a lot better, what the earlier ‘conflicts’ have probably shown in the end is that Kiwis resist not being their own masters or playing to another’s tune that they think is wrong. JK has a valid point about where the venue for protest should not be, but nevertheless it (the protest) is likely to continue to grow internationally. I’d like this Government to take a ‘position’ on drones that sets NZ apart from the American military machine or at least poll the public attitude toward the use of drones.

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  33. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ prosper (81 comments) says:
    May 27th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    I agree. But you can bet your bottom dollar no one here complained when Helen’s house was targeted. I think if I remember properly, it was also ‘egged’.

    However, having said that, anyone with young children need to consider the possible effect on their family before making the decision to be a public figure. Worse still for those with young children. Max is hardly a young child, and at least within an age group that would be able to understand. But a private home is just that – private. No protest should ever cross the line onto personal property.

    Sadly such things are a sign of the times, people no longer have the respect for public figures – once such a position commanded respect – now it doesn’t – I’m not sure who is to blame for that, the performance of MP’s or a general breakdown in standards.

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  34. anticorruptionnz (202 comments) says:

    Kimbo

    I totally miss your point ,, We say that New Zealand is the least corrupt ( when in reality it is but a perception ie Illusion )

    so you advocate the see no evil speak no evil dont ask any question approach. you would then be the man who crosses over tot he other side of the road and leaves some one dying in the ditch .

    I love this forum it shows the true nature of the a holes who comprise this illustrious country where pretense is everything.

    we pretend that we are so righteous and when I discovered as a result of a client coming to me that the Animal welfare institute of New Zealand had been given coercive law enforcement powers and no one had checked to see if it existed.

    If we cannot ask the question why does that law enforcement authority not exist does that mean that we are happy to have a government which lacks accountability ?

    so we just live in ignorance allow everything to happen around us, dont ask any questions dont look for any answers .. even our sheep are more intelligent than that

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  35. Fentex (909 comments) says:

    AS a rule I generally agree – but no such rule can be absolute. Politics touches our lives at all points and sometimes those regard the most urgent and sensitive topics – such as safety and sanctity of life and limb.

    Drones are murdering innocents, that is apt to vex and anger some people. I don’t think it’s entirely irrational for protesters to equate our participating in making some peoples homes unsafe and liable to destruction through no fault of theirs with making the point in a way that incidentally makes our MP’s, in particular our PM who has said he thinks it’s okay to use drones knowing they will kill innocents, feel a little uncomfortable at home.

    The point of protesting shouldn’t be dulled for fear of making that point to those being protested at.

    It’s a matter of judgement, I think, if this protest is properly placed in regard to peoples homes. I think the logic and connection is clear, I wouldn’t if it were about, say, mining in parks.

    But when it’s all about dropping bombs on peoples homes it doesn’t seem so out of place to me.

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  36. Tauhei Notts (1,651 comments) says:

    If it happened south of the Bombay Hills, it did not happen.
    It is no use protesting in Hamilton as there is no meaningful news media there.
    The Protest Industry is solely dependent upon the mainstream news media.
    To carry on their activity far from the MSM would be foolish.
    Hence or otherwise, St Stephen’s Avenue is damned sight closer to TVNZ and TV3 than any place in Kirikiriroa.
    Sad, but true.

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  37. Yoza (1,678 comments) says:

    jp_1983 (138 comments) says:
    May 27th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    If you have any evidence of this, pack your bags, go to the Hague and make a complaint.
    On your way back, go visit Yemen and see what the ‘targets’ are actually doing.

    It wouldn’t matter to them; Europeans slaughtering ‘unpeople’ like those they kill in Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, what-have-you don’t count as criminals, John Key (and the established media) understand this and dutifully reinforce our institutionalised racism by getting all sniffy when anyone questions the right of racially superior civilised European states to reign death on suspicious looking darkies.

    David Garrett (5,430 comments) says:
    May 27th, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    Yoza the sad old commie:

    Anarchist

    So if by some miracle Cunliffe became PM in a few months, you would think it quite acceptable for the vermin to target HIS mansion if Labour didn’t withdraw from or substantially alter the terms of the five eyes agreement??

    Absolutely.

    Simon (631 comments) says:
    May 27th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    The scum outside Key’s house are like Yoza it is not the power of the State they oppose they simply want the power of the State for their own purposes.

    I don’t know what Bradbury, Minto etc want. I think the ‘power of the State’ should be subordinate to the will of the people it encompasses. Unlike John Key or David Cunliffe I do not see any legitimacy in using the ‘power of the State’ as an instrument to pacify people so they become subordinate to the profiteering motives of an unelected ruling elite.

    AG (1,750 comments) says:
    May 27th, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    Yeah – I agree. One of the nice things about NZ is the comparative lack of security/separation between our politicians and the people. But once you start having protests outside their residences, then you can’t blame them for tooling up and building compounds. Plus, being in a politician’s family already is bad enough without having this come to your doorstep.

    So … picket their meetings/heckle their speeches. But let them go home to their families at night and have a life there.

    No-one forced him to run for office. The intended and unintended victims of the US’s assassination program are not allowed the privilege of Key’s right to go home to his family. Key supports extrajudicial killing and people protest outside his home as a consequence, …boo hoo.

    ShawnLH (2,531 comments) says:
    May 27th, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    It’s your utter contempt for human life that is the real evil. How many innocent human lives would you be willing to sacrifice to terrorists because they were not dealt with before carry out attacks?

    Why do leftie’s like you and mad Marxist Minto pretend to care about the value of human life when your real agenda is sympathy for terrorists and making it easier for them to operate?

    Key is helping to defend life from psychotic mass murderers, and the gutter scum protesting outside his home are nothing more than morally bankrupt serial killer supporters.

    Unfortunately for you reality does not support the fantasy land you inhabit. Slaughtering Muslims in their own countries is the cause of terrorism, John Key isn’t defending lives he is excusing an illegal assassination program that causes massive suffering and provides an ideal environment from which actual terrorists recruit. I know this may sound a little out there to someone like you, but there is no ‘Final Solution’.

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  38. gravedodger (1,528 comments) says:

    FFS you bunch of mind numbingly retarded morons trying to justify the cowardly bunch of nobodies assembled at The Key residence were not there to celebrate Max Key’s birthday, how many innocents were slaughtered on the 11th September 2001.

    How many of the nearly 3000 killed by the four hijacked planes were “under arms”.
    The other 6000 maimed and injured were “under arms” were they.

    Cowardly mass killings by suicide bombers often only KILL collateral victims.

    The soldiers of Allah are being grossly misdescribed by calling them soldiers.

    The piece of shit taken out by the drone strike in yemen was only good news.

    The ragtag bunch of cowards assembled outside The Key residence on Sunday night were nothings, nobodies yet they are being celebrated as something worthy is only gross distortion of fact

    If these cowards emboldedned by the Islam imams are your heros then head off to Saudi and see how that goes. What could possibly go wrong.

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  39. wf (400 comments) says:

    In the absence of a long driveway, perhaps music could be played for the benefit of the protesters at the gates, in a manner reminiscent of the shopping malls in England where sweet music was played to drive the yobbos away.

    Quite frankly as long as they don’t make a noise, or climb over the garden fence, or leave litter, I don’t care who stands out-side my gate. My dog does though.

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  40. hmmokrightitis (1,572 comments) says:

    Bomber and the fat German, what cosy bedmates. Is Bomber still crowing about his laptop?

    Yoza, dear boy, do you understand how lucky you are that you live here (assumption) and can even type your stupidity? If you were in one of your socialist paradises, hmmm, lets see if we can name one, you’d be lucky to have a computer, let alone t’ interweb…

    Im flying to the US in 4 weeks time, does that give me enough time to be on the same plane as Herr Lard Arse? AirNZ wouldn’t put him up front with me would they??? Hey Kimbo, worried about what the Mrs knows? You should be :)

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  41. hmmokrightitis (1,572 comments) says:

    @Yoza: ” I think the ‘power of the State’ should be subordinate to the will of the people it encompasses.”

    And you call yourself an anarchist. Really? And yet you believe in ‘the will of the people’ – you really don’t get anarchy do you dear boy.

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  42. Yoza (1,678 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis (1,476 comments) says:
    May 27th, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    @Yoza: ” I think the ‘power of the State’ should be subordinate to the will of the people it encompasses.”

    And you call yourself an anarchist. Really? And yet you believe in ‘the will of the people’ – you really don’t get anarchy do you dear boy.

    I think you should understand the system you are criticising before commenting. These two writers, Chomsky and Guerin, are as good a place as any to start:

    Noam Chomsky: Notes on Anarchism

    Daniel Guerin: Anarchism: From Theory to Practice

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  43. CharlieBrown (927 comments) says:

    I have mixed opinions about this. On the one hand John Keys refusal to stop the state invading our homes and families with the rediculous smacking laws makes me think protesting by his family and home is ironic and he deserves this. However on the other hand the left wings warped logic would use the same sort of reasoning with their causes to do the same thing… I’m conflicted.

    In summary, it serves John Key right however it is the wrong way to go about protesting.

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  44. Steve Wrathall (261 comments) says:

    I hope we are using whatever modest capacity we have to contribute to drone strikes. To paraphrase the late great Christopher Hitchens- when nihilistic jihadis seek martyrdom, we should be here to help.

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  45. hmmokrightitis (1,572 comments) says:

    Thats right yoza, the best source available to anarchists is….books.

    You’re parody and earnest all wrapped up in a comedy gold parcel aren’t you?

    Please tell me you went to Anarchists School. Please, I beg you :)

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  46. Kimbo (747 comments) says:

    Kimbo

    I totally miss your point

    Not taking your meds will do that to you, anticorruptionnz.

    Now, usually I’d be annoyed with someone who called me an a hole, but as you are a genuinely sad and obsessive case I’ll leave you to ramble on incoherently in your own world of self-pity and paranoia.

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  47. Yoza (1,678 comments) says:

    hmmokrightitis (1,477 comments) says:
    May 27th, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    Thats right yoza, the best source available to anarchists is….books.

    You’re parody and earnest all wrapped up in a comedy gold parcel aren’t you?

    Please tell me you went to Anarchists School. Please, I beg you :)

    I don’t see anarchism as something that is that difficult to understand, I think we are essentially all born as anarchists. The central tenet of anarchism is quite straightforward; the legitimacy of any form of authority must be challenged. If that authority is found to be illegitimate it should be opposed. If we consider the myriad forms of authority within contemporary society to which we are subject I think the vast majority could be dismissed as illegitimate exercises of power. It is much simpler to mindlessly accept the constraints authority imposes than it is to challenge them.

    Just because John Key say extrajudicial killings are ok it does not necessarily follow they are, Key chooses the path of obeisance as his political and social conscience is subordinate to an ideology that demands unthinking conformity. Key, Cunliffe and Clark are no different in this respect.

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  48. lolitasbrother (590 comments) says:

    Not about dones generally just singly, the New Zealander ‘ Abu Suhaib al Australi’
    Well he was in Yemen, a known terrorist collaborator, and surrounded by some very nasty people
    Pop goes the weasel.
    As the PM said and others have verified this man went out of his way to be with and involve himself in Al-Qaeda.
    Russell Norman says we can’t shoot a terrorist and we have to obey the rule of Yemen law ,

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  49. Liberty (252 comments) says:

    Comrade Clark wasn’t very tolerant towards a protester outside her office.
    Had her minions beaver away in the statures for months . To come
    up with a charge of sedition. It was notable at the time her minions
    showed less dedication to duty with her slave keeping MP.
    Still all bad things come to an end. The populace spoke.
    Clark slunk off to a socialist retirement home. Her minions returned to barracks.
    New Zealand has had six great years. let it continue.

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  50. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Liberty: Clark did not slink off to a retirement home, it used taxpayers’ money, NZ immigration laws, etc., to grease to the hapless UN for a worthless position of indulgence. Look what has happened, she has an entourage of weirdos and deviants, none being able to travel to Muslim countries, in fear of being stoned; it is still dictating terms to Labour leadership in NZ.

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  51. Rich Prick (1,635 comments) says:

    “The ragtag bunch of cowards assembled outside The Key residence on Sunday night were nothings, nobodies yet they are being celebrated as something worthy is only gross distortion of fact”

    I think Langley Virginia will look back on that evening as a lost opportunity.

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  52. Elaycee (4,333 comments) says:

    If I was living in St Stephens Ave and there was a motley bunch of weirdos / placard wavers and career protesters littering the street on a Sunday night, it would only have been a spooky coincidence the neighbourhood kids chose that particular moment in time to have a game involving water balloons.

    Yup… just a spooky coincidence. :lol:

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  53. Chuck Bird (4,773 comments) says:

    Did anyone hear Phil Goff defend the protesters outside John Key’s home? You can if you listen to him on playback on NewstalkZB at about 7:40 this morning while Mike Hosking was interviewing him and Steven Joyce. You would expect such a view from Hone but not Phil Goff.

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