NZ military most gay friendly in the world

May 18th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

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The Economist reports:

THE armed forces and homosexuality do not make natural bedfellows. Though tales from ancient Greece vaunt the heroism of soldiers, modern armies are mostly squeamish on the subject. So when New Zealand’s brass let its soldiers participate in a -pride parade, it helped put the country first on a new index that ranks 103 of the world’s armed forces by how open they are to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people. Countries at the bottom of the list—compiled by The Hague Centre for Strategic Studies, based on 21 indicators across five categories—are mostly those where homosexuality is a crime or considered an illness. Yet surprises abound. America’s relatively low ranking at 40th is largely because it bans transgender personnel, though it has gay-friendly policies. In Israel, where military issues are ever-present, the army seems more progressive than society. Only 40% of the population accept homosexuality, whereas the armed forces completely opened up to LGBT people in 1993, almost a decade before Britain (which is tied for second).

Anyone who thinks gays or lesbians shouldn’t be soldiers should go try saying that to an Israeli combat unit!

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45 Responses to “NZ military most gay friendly in the world”

  1. Chuck Bird (4,922 comments) says:

    This is a very good reason why homosexuality should not be promoted.

    Syphilis rate reaches highest level in the U.S. since 1995 as gay and bisexual men account for most of the rise

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2623565/US-syphilis-rate-gay-bisexual-men.html

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  2. Yoza (1,903 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird (4,439 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 7:27 am

    This is a very good reason why homosexuality should not be promoted.

    On top of that there is the eternity of roasting in the deepest pits of hell, … along side those who use the holiest day of the week to draw attention to the New Zealand military’s descent into a singles club for gay swingers.

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  3. MrTips (100 comments) says:

    So when they go to Syria (3rd from the bottom of that list), they’ll be greeted with open arms….
    and then shot just like everyone else.

    Seriously, this benchmarking of everything to gay-friendliness or homo approval is just lame.

    No-one cares.

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  4. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Here come the arse sex focused conservonutters .
    bum.bum.bum.bum…
    The sound of kbs arse focused repressed marching in step with their mutual suppressed desires.

    The navy has been the bumfoolery center of the universe since sir Francis Blake and before.
    Sing along with the rest of the muppets chucky fletch and harry it……:lol: all together friggin in the riggin

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  5. dog_eat_dog (788 comments) says:

    Ah yes, hell, sky wizards, butt lords, etc. Welcome to any topic on Kiwiblog that makes mention of the gay community.

    As long as the soldiers we have are the best boots we can put on the ground, then who cares if they play hide the sausage?

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  6. Yoza (1,903 comments) says:

    MrTips (136 comments) says:
    May 18th, 2014 at 7:39 am

    Seriously, this benchmarking of everything to gay-friendliness or homo approval is just lame.

    If David Farrar’s Kiwiblog army was represented on the list they would be a long way from the top.

    Do homophobes understand the psychological link between suppressed latent homosexual desire manifesting in aggressive anti-homosexual behaviour?

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  7. big bruv (14,116 comments) says:

    Mr Tips is dead right.

    I simply could not care how poof friendly various armies are, I support the right of individuals to do what ever they like in the privacy of their own bedrooms just as long as it does not involve animals or children. I also supported gay marriage, it matters little to me if two blokes want to tell the world they are married.

    What is starting to piss me off though are the endless demands that the rest of the community embrace the gay and lesbian lifestyle. There are many of us who are ok with the gay lifestyle and gay rights, however the gay community run the very real risk of alienating the support they have among the heterosexual world by constantly demanding that we fawn, bow and scrape to their community simply because they are gay.

    The gay community either want their lifestyle accepted as a societal norm and therefore not worthy of comment or not, they cannot have it both ways, if they still insist on “celebrating” things like military participation then they are actually working against their end goal to have the gay lifestyle accepted as normal by the rest of us.

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  8. questions (208 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird: This is a very good reason why homosexuality should not be promoted.

    Wrap it up before plunging the chocolate frosted donut and you should be fine Chuck.

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  9. Andrei (2,668 comments) says:

    Who the hell are the “Hague center for strategic studies”?

    And what the hell do those bars on the graph actually mean in the real world?

    The whole thing is just a bullshit story with a bullshit graph – the “Jabberwocky” makes more sense

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  10. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Big bruv without pushing there would be no change. To stick your dick up another mans arse in private was a offense worthy of jail to 1986 in even our progressive society.

    The Government should have no right to tell us what we can do…… providing we do no harm to others.

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  11. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Sorry Andrei I forgot to add you to the cohort of bum focused suppressed….

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  12. Longknives (4,853 comments) says:

    My thoughts exactly Big Bruv- I couldn’t care less what people do to each other in the privacy of their own bedrooms. But Christ do we have to have it endlessly rammed down our bloody throats? (No pun intended)
    My biggest gripe is that the Rainbow Community is now seemingly beyond reproach- If you dare criticise any of their number for ANYTHING (or dare to suggest that perhaps two rampantly promiscuous Gay men don’t make ideal candidates for adoption) they shreik and wail “Bigotry” and “Homophobia”..

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  13. stephieboy (3,363 comments) says:

    But big bruv the armed forces were traditionally the main first front line for anti homosexual sentiment despite the fact they were a haven for the very behaviour condemned.This reflected also a lot of hypocrisy in the wider society where gay affairs were not uncommon, especially among the upper crust.
    Move on matey the tide of social history has swung decisively against an ever diminishing band of stuffed shirts as we see e.g with the Conservative party.

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  14. itstricky (1,875 comments) says:

    Betcha igm has sme classics lined up for this one. Waiting…

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  15. mandk (1,013 comments) says:

    Unless you can establish a link between LGBT-friendliness and military effectiveness, this is just vacuous, try-hard nonsense.
    It’s just a bit – what’s the word? – gay.

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  16. stephieboy (3,363 comments) says:

    Andre, are you views by chance coloured by the views of Vladimir and the Kremlin.?

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  17. Chuck Bird (4,922 comments) says:

    “Wrap it up before plunging the chocolate frosted donut and you should be fine Chuck.”

    @questions

    I have not desire to do so but promoted the myth that homosexual sodomy is safe it one uses a condom is criminally irresponsible. I just go a call to donate blood which I will shortly. The last time I had sex I did not use a condom. However, it was not with another guy or a promiscuous female so blood services are happy to take my blood but not your whether you use a condom of not.

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  18. radvad (771 comments) says:

    “Do homophobes understand the psychological link between suppressed latent homosexual desire manifesting in aggressive anti-homosexual behaviour?”

    Lets play with words……..

    Do Christophobes understand the psychological link between suppressed latent God botherism manifesting in agressive anti God botherer behaviour?

    If one could be true so could the other.

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  19. big bruv (14,116 comments) says:

    griffith.

    I suspect you have missed my point. I am well aware how the gay community were excluded from being allowed to be shot at. I support the right of poofs and kipper lickers to be shot at as much as anybody else, hell if it is good enough for a hetro to be killed defending their country then I fail to see why gays should not have that right.

    My point is that they have won, most people (save the religious nutters and the sexually insecure) no longer care less, the gays fought their war for civil rights and they won, it is time to move on.

    stephieboy

    You also miss the point. I have moved on, I don’t care what gays do, they can marry, get shot at, dress how they like and do what they want. My point is that many of them are like those silly old duffers who still think that how you thought during the Vietnam war or the 81 Springbok tour matters. The more the gay community bang on about their rights the more they risk losing support among the heterosexual community, they (the poofs) have fought their war, they won, it is time to move on.

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  20. bc (1,375 comments) says:

    Itstricky @ 8.12am
    Igm is too busy listening to NewstalkZB waiting to be outraged, so he can comment here about it.

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  21. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    The fact that so many people still have such great big chips on their shoulders about the gays, suggests there is still some way to go.

    As long as the gay soldiers aren’t being given special gay bullets that just deliver a cheeky slap, what’s the problem?

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  22. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Big bruv I get your point
    Intill the likes of harryit et el are totally marginalized there is still the chance of a return of the persecution of old
    I don’t particularly agree with gays sex and have absolutely no interest in men as a sex object but… I do want the government to butt out of our private life’s.
    If it is between consenting adults and does no harm to others its your right to do IT whatever it may be.

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  23. itstricky (1,875 comments) says:

    Igm is too busy listening to NewstalkZB waiting to be outraged

    Yeah yaeah. Or “I was listening to that leftist propoganda National radio this morning”

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  24. MrTips (100 comments) says:

    Yoza
    why don’t you join the NZ Army and then you’ll be surrounded by much more “enlightened” folk?

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  25. flipper (4,188 comments) says:

    The point is that it does no matter. All that matters is how effective a nation’s armed forces are at doing their assigned tasks.

    The Hague wot nots is of course a Nertherlands wot not. The Nethelands is still living in shame as a consequence of their appalling coduct in Kosovo(?). New Zealand, apart from the SAS, has no recent outstanding record in conflicts. …. simply wussie peace keeping when conficts stop.

    But the real point is that apart fom the Rainbow mob no one cares how poofter friendly are armed forces in any particular nation.

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  26. tom hunter (5,056 comments) says:

    We have a military?

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  27. SGA (1,117 comments) says:

    tom hunter at 10:07 am

    We have a military?

    Yes, a small one, but apparently they are very good at what they do with what they have, so I’m not so quick to “diss” them.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Apiata

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  28. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    We have about the right size military for a small, mostly inconsequential country in the middle of nowhere. Sure, we could do with some lethal aircraft, but overall we’re not too bad.

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  29. Ryan Sproull (7,259 comments) says:

    “Do homophobes understand the psychological link between suppressed latent homosexual desire manifesting in aggressive anti-homosexual behaviour?”

    Lets play with words……..

    Do Christophobes understand the psychological link between suppressed latent God botherism manifesting in agressive anti God botherer behaviour?

    If one could be true so could the other.

    Hah, I hadn’t made that connection before, but that’s exactly what I’ve heard many Christians say to militant atheists – “You argue this much because you secretly know that God exists!”

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  30. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Funny how as a society we are being represented as among the most progressive in the world, it’s a wonder the lefty trolls continue to bemoan the country as a conservative, capitalist hell-hole (present god-bothering company excluded). :)

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  31. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    And the righty trolls bemoan our left-leaning progressive existence…

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  32. Viking2 (11,541 comments) says:

    Gay people should give up sex if they want to be Catholics, according to a documentary supported by the New Zealand Catholic church.

    Catholics tell gays to ditch sex

    A video endorsed by Auckland Bishop Patrick Dunn says homosexual sex is a sin and those who are experiencing same-sex attraction are encouraged to “love God” instead.

    But the gay community says the doco is “horrifying” and an insidious attempt to make it seem the church is more tolerant towards homosexuals.

    The Third Way, billed as the church’s new approach to homosexuality, tells fellow Catholics not to hate those living with same-sex attraction, or SSA, but not to affirm their activities either.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10056554/Catholics-tell-gays-to-ditch-sex

    If gay people choose to be Catholic, the documentary says, they need to stop leading a “gay lifestyle”, and practise chastity.

    So ,If you are gay, you can join the military and get shot or whatever for your country BUT if you are gay then the Catholic Church either don’t want you until you are on your death bed (and the chance of a donation),or you have to refrain from practicing your gene driven behavoir.

    What appalling human beings these Catholics are. Given their past record of behavoir, much of it still not revealed or punished, the sooner god abandons them to the devil the better. The world will become a better place.

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  33. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Why are we even measuring this? Since when should a persons sexuality have anything to do with their being able to defend their country?

    As long as we keep measuring such things, we continue to promote ‘difference’ and we continue to make such things ‘matter’ IMO.

    Those forces that receive a low point, are not going to change simply by having this information – their beliefs are deeply entrenched in their culture (including religion). Being shamed into making changes, might change their policy, but it won’t do anything to change their beliefs.

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  34. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    Bottom (sorry) line: you can’t be a gay Catholic. Good news for homsexuals though – God doesn’t hate you, he just hates what you do.

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  35. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    Judith
    I think the idea is that we don’t really measure this – that would be the true indication of our tolerance: that it is no longer an issue here.

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  36. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Mike
    But Redbaiter is just one individual. :) He’s usually one of the very few righty trolls who show up on left-leaning websites with any regularity.

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  37. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    And whether someone is a troll or not really depends on audience reaction.

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  38. David Garrett (7,513 comments) says:

    Some good comments there…I join those who dont give a toss (sorry) what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms – or whatever other room in the house takes their fancy…I am also with those who say “enough already”… The continuing banging on about the doings of the “gay community”, and how we should all embrace them has become more than a little tiresome…

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  39. ChardonnayGuy (1,209 comments) says:

    However, in terms of retaining talented and highly skilled transgender service personnel, the Aussies are doing better…

    The highest ranking trans* member of the Australia Defence Force said the positive reception she received from senior colleagues after she revealed her gender transition plans saved her life, which had been “hanging by a thread.” Lieutenant Colonel Cate McGregor spoke today at the annual Pride in Diversity Australia Workplace Equality Index awards, which saw US investment bank Goldman Sachs get the gong for best Australian employer for LGBTI people. In a deeply-personal speech, McGregor, who is a defence speechwriter and cricket pundit, said she felt she was “imploding” before she plucked up the courage to tell her boss, Chief of Army David Morrison.

    McGregor, who has been awarded the Order of Australia medal for her exceptional service, recalled a conversation with Morrison where the army chief said he was humbled by McGregor’s frankness and would ensure the force supported her through her gender transition. Defence accepted diversity, said McGregor, because differences between colleagues always came second to the ability to get the job done. Financial institutions and the public sector were big winners at the awards, held in Sydney’s Ivy Ballroom, with Curtin University coming in second and the Westpac, Commonwealth and ANZ banks all finishing in the top five. The number of organisations participating the Index had grown 83 per cent, organisers said, since the first awards were held four years ago.

    An inspirational woman…http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/local-news/the-army-saved-my-life-says-trans-lt-col-cate-mcgregor/122893

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  40. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Mike – intent comes into it. Redbaiter might actually believe some of his bs but his name gives a clue to his motivation. I wouldn’t ordinarily call you a troll, as an example, although I am mystified by anyone who spends most of their online time on a site which espouses different values than they do; but a number of others clearly come here just to wind up the “locals” and/or disrupt the narrative.

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  41. cha (4,076 comments) says:

    Nek minnit…..

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    Are there other sexual types that feel left out with all these rights swirling around? Yes, indeed. Those who love animals and want to have a sexual relationship must be included. Just think of it. Soldiers who are bored on the battlefield abroad can look at a wild boar and field of goats in an entirely new way. “Say, I am free this evening. Perhaps you are too.”

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/roth/140515

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  42. Dave Mann (1,248 comments) says:

    One word. Disgusting.

    EDIT: Sorry, I meant repulsive

    EDIT: Ok… Disgusting AND Repulsive. 2 words.

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  43. Dave Mann (1,248 comments) says:

    Actually, just to clarify… years ago when shirtlifters and lesbos were just ordinary people who happened to have weird sexual preferences, I had no strong opinions one way or another. I just tended to ignore their sex lives and view them on other criteria (like were they intelligent, creative, funny etc). In fact, with the exception of the more extreme ones like the raving poofs and butches, they WERE to all intents and purposes just everyday folks and I’m sure they deserved respect and privacy in their intimate lives.

    However, now that the media (both MSM, social media and blogs) seem to be hellbent on propagandizing and promoting their way of life and glorifying them as glowing role models for society at every turn, I find myself kicking against this mass mind-control and PC bullshit. I do NOT think that the sexual preferences and perversions of about 10% of the population should be constantly paraded, glorified and rubbed in our faces as if this is somehow a wonderful and beautiful lifestyle choice. Russia has got it right in my opinion and the more propaganda the West gives to these people, the more hardline the reaction will be.

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  44. wreck1080 (3,955 comments) says:

    is it a good thing?

    Not sure, the whole sexual tension between soldiers seems like it might cause problems on the battlefield.

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  45. Dave Mann (1,248 comments) says:

    …. Imagine a platoon of our homosexuals facing off against a platoon of enemy homosexuals…. one of ours grabs a megaphone and shouts “hey sweetie, what say we make love not war!”

    Hey. This could be the solution to all the world’s problems! :D

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