Peters smears Horan

May 20th, 2014 at 4:56 pm by David Farrar

Tracy Watkins at Stuff reports:

Open hostilities have erupted between independent MP and his former boss after NZ First leader Winston Peters today referred to Horan as “Jimmy Saville”. 

Peters twice made reference to Horan as Saville, the late BBC presenter accused of sex crimes against children.

The first reference followed Horan attempting to table NZ First board meeting minutes which he told Parliament “point to improper use of taxpayer money”.

Peters responded: “This House should not be used in that way particularly by the Jimmy Saville of New Zealand politics.”

His second reference followed Horan attempting to table a document in Parliament linking Peters to a racehorse.

Horan was denied permission to table the document, prompting Peters to say “Jimmy Saville needs to know better than that”.

Calling your former MP a paedophile is a new low, even for Peters. His current colleagues might want to think about what he’ll call them, should he ever decide to sack them from the party also?

Any other MP who called another MP something like this, would be crucified by the media.I hope media ask Peters why he called Horan this, and does he think it is an appropriate remark to make in Parliament?

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73 Responses to “Peters smears Horan”

  1. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    Put up, or shut up.

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  2. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    If Winnie calls Horan like that, I think Winnie may have some dirt on Horan for sure…..

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  3. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Also none of the communist media and presenters – resident communists Paddy Labour Gower, Darren Communist Dann, Red Radio’s Labour Spinner – will follow up on this…So move on….

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  4. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    I thought Jimmy Saville was an entertainer. Does Mr Horan not deserve that acclamation? (I realise that there might be an age difference between the two.)

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    I hope media ask Peters why he called Horan this, and does he think it is an appropriate remark to make in Parliament?

    Don’t hold your breath DPF

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  6. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    Well, we know from previous experience that whatever Winston accuses others of – he eventually gets caught doing himself.

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  7. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    The “Journalist””Personalities” are too busy fluffing their hair to hold Winston to account. I expect what I usually get from them – nothing.

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  8. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    More mad ravings from a drunken Hobbit.

    This sort of crap really turns me off.

    I hate to admit that during a low point in my sad life I once voted for NZ First. It was a real low point that I recovered from but then fell into the arms of Labour for several terms. I am a slut.

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  9. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    RF

    Ah, difficult times ahead in September! To be a slut or a moron? Good luck on your journey!

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  10. freemark (580 comments) says:

    5,4,3,2,1…cue Judith & some lefties diverting back to Key, Collins & cups of tea…

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  11. Yvette (2,820 comments) says:

    In similar gutter politics and nastiness, Green MP Jan Logie apparently does not know how to spell ‘fucked’ properly.

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  12. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    I’ve got no time for Horan, but this is nasty stuff.
    Would Winston repeat all this outside of parliamentary privilege? If not, then he has nothing.

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  13. RRM (9,920 comments) says:

    Calling your former MP a paedophile is a new low, even for Peters

    Winston’s a one-man limbo team. Always lowering the bar.

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  14. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    I sat in the interview with Horans degenerate mate who spilled the beans for Truth.
    Fleeced his mum, degenerate punter. Participant in the wrong kind of 3 way and a slob around the house : yes .
    Kiddie fiddler : NO.
    Peters is a cunt.
    The media are scared of him making them look stupid.
    So he will get his millionth pass.
    Our politics is the worst.

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  15. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    If the smear is unwarranted then the parliament is behaving diabolically.
    If it is warranted then why isn’t Horan calling Peters out?

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  16. Bob (497 comments) says:

    To Sir Cullens sidekick – Peters said he had dirt on Judith Collins. It was more like a light coating of dust.

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  17. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    Peters is a troll.

    Best way to deal with him is to pretend he doesn’t exist.

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  18. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  19. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    If Winston had of come up with the dirt on Judith Collins that he promised we would naturally surmise Horan’s time was short.

    Winston must know we cannot take him seriously as a result.

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  20. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Just clicked on DPF’s link to Stuff to get more information. DPF left this bit out:

    Horan demanded Peters withdraw and apologise for the remark and said he had taken offence at the “disgusting comments”.

    Speaker David Carter initially refused to take action and accused Horan of a “trifling” point of order.

    But Carter did an about turn and ordered Peters to withdraw and apologise after Police Minister Anne Tolley intervened to complain that the remark was “really offensive”.

    What’s up with Carter??

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  21. Dave_1924 (116 comments) says:

    The nastiest type of slur – by inference…. Now if Winston Peters believes that Brendan Horan has committed similar crimes to the late Jimmy Saville, then Winston Peters MP has a MORAL duty to report his concerns and any evidence he may have to the NZ Police.

    So its put up or shut up time Winston…..

    And DPF – I think maybe you should make a real effort on this one, shoulder tap a few gallery press types and get them to asl Winston t clarify his statement. In fact they should ask him explicitly if he was saying Horan has committed acts against children.

    I am heartily sick of Winstons rumour mongering and innuendo…. “She’ll be gone by Monday” being a recent example.

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  22. markm (114 comments) says:

    So right Dave

    Mr Peters is aiding and abetting paedophilia by his silence.
    His time is done

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  23. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    UglyTruth notes:

    If the smear is unwarranted then the parliament is behaving diabolically.
    If it is warranted then why isn’t Horan calling Peters out?

    I think you mean UNwarranted in your second sentence. If there was truth to it, the last thing Horan would want is to call Peters on it.

    Even after I walked away in despair and anger in ’96 I would have said Winston was above this kind of gutter stuff.

    But then in 2008 Ron Mark, the cowardly little corporal, hurled a much less veiled accusation at me: a moment DPF called “A new low”.

    Naive as I was, I half expected Winston to pull him up on it. The Winston I knew wouldn’t have let that pass… not because he was particularly moral but because he had too much respect for Parliament as an institution. Yes, he’d game the rules with Points of Order and throw out allegations about ferries running aground, but all that’s a far cry from misusing privilege to throw out possibly the worst smear that can be leveled at someone.

    He didn’t. I ended up having to challenge Mark to repeat it outside the House or apologise in it (he didn’t, nor did he even have the guts to reply to a letter I sent him).

    I’m not sure when Winston lost his last vestiges of self-respect and decency, but I can trace it to some time prior to that moment.

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  24. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    It is little wonder the pissed off tax paying public view politicians on the same level as disgusting paedophiles.

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  25. mara (784 comments) says:

    This is a lose lose situation for Peters. Either he knows that Horan is a paedophile and is only now mentioning it for political purposes or it is just a filthy slur for revenge over the racehorse swipe. Same thing really. Btw, on Q&A today, I got the feeling that the Speaker had never heard of Saville. How odd.

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  26. OneTrack (3,095 comments) says:

    DPF – ” .I hope media ask Peters why….”

    Won’t happen. As long as he is sticking it to John Key , he is the darling of the left.

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  27. ross411 (838 comments) says:

    SPC (4,971 comments) says:
    May 20th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
    Fact 1, he called him Jimmy Saville (some dodgy guy once on TV),
    Fact 2, he did not call him a pedophile.

    So, you’d be okay with me saying your comments have a Jimmy Saville quality to them? Or that I can see the kind of person who has it in them to be a Jimmy Saville in your comments?

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  28. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    It was a clear slur at Paedophilia and any Winnie weazel words it wasn’t, is a double weasel. Mind you, Brendan’s surname doesn’t help.

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  29. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    ross411, relevance?

    Peters was playing on Horan and Saville both having a TV background and later coming under police investigation. The unspoken inference as age related offending (parents and children etc).

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  30. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Sorry SPC, but you’re wrong. ‘Jimmy Saville’ = pedophile. It’s as simple as that.

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  31. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    mikenmild, you can only disagree, you do not get to define reality.

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  32. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It’s nice that you want to stick up for Peters: I suppose there has to be someone for him. This was a disgusting attack.

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  33. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Bob (448 comments) says:
    May 20th, 2014 at 5:33 pm
    To Sir Cullens sidekick – Peters said he had dirt on Judith Collins. It was more like a light coating of dust.

    “Bob – there is more to come”

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  34. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    mikenmild, I don’t see it as sticking up for Peters, it is how I see it. I vote for party that Peters wants to keep out of government permanently.

    Peters is allowing others to think the Saville/pedophile meaning, while not himself saying it – classic cynicism.

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  35. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes, disgusting and acutely cynical. If Peters deigns to explain himself, he may well choose a similar excuse. What else could he say?

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  36. Bob R (1,375 comments) says:

    *** What’s up with Carter??***

    @ BC,

    My impression on tv was that he hadn’t properly heard what Peters said.

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  37. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    SPC

    If the test is what interpretation a reasonable person would make of Peter’s comment then Horan has been described as a paedophile.

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  38. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Perhaps Horan should wait until Peters next appears at question time and interject to accuse him of having sex with animals.

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  39. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    doggone7. 5.24pm. My back is bleeding from self flagellation. I crawled through the darkness and found the light of John Key. Never again will I stray from the path of truth. I now drown my sorrows in whiskey and reflect on the narrow escape I had. Praise be.

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  40. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    mikenmild, he’s a lawyer and a politician.

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  41. ross411 (838 comments) says:

    SPC (4,974 comments) says:
    May 20th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
    ross411, relevance?

    Peters was playing on Horan and Saville both having a TV background and later coming under police investigation. The unspoken inference as age related offending (parents and children etc).

    I think it is reasonable to say that calling someone Jimmy Saville is the same as calling someone a pedophile in the eyes of a good part of the population.

    Let me continue along the same lines as my original response. If I made a t-shirt with your picture on it and something supportive of Jimmy Saville and you wore it around, do you really think that no-one would interpret it as suggesting you were pro-pedophilia?

    100% relevance.

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  42. Manolo (13,770 comments) says:

    His sidekick, the empty-headed Barbara Stewart, did not want to comment on what her master said. Misguided loyalty at its worst.

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  43. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    nasska, it depends how long they think about it and consider the similarities and differences between the past of Saville and Horan.

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  44. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    What happened to Winston’s sledgehammer Parliamentary Question?
    Did Collins tell John Key the name of the Chinese ‘border’ official.
    Yes, she or someone did.
    Then Brendon horanned in
    Where were any Supplementaries, Winston – was that if? You did better when you had the flu.

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  45. hj (7,015 comments) says:

    Some people have been saying WP wasn’t fair to Horan, so perhaps he did have something on him? Otherwise it was vindictive or unfortunate choiice and doesn’t show either of them in a good light.
    Muldoon dropped a bombshell in a parliamentary debate accusing a Labour MP of being “picked up for homosexual offences”.

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  46. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    From memory, what Muldoon said to Moyle was: “Is that the effeminate giggle of the Member for Mangere? Well, I know his background, too”.

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  47. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    mikenmild:

    Yep, that was pretty much it. I recall being told some years later that it wasn’t even Moyle whose laugh had so angered the old grunter – he just thought it was Moyle.

    In those days the press was far more deferential to politicians – John Key couldn’t be knobbing architect’s wives in the hillside suburbs of Wellington without it getting out, for instance – but they got a whiff of a criminal offence (at least that’s how they justified it, vis a viz the “private matter” of affairs) and hounded Moyle and Muldoon till the truth came out.

    So what does this episode show us of the media today? There are plenty of “personalities” who posture about how “tough” they are, but their toughness goes about as far as poking fun at a Parliamentary staffer simply doing her job, because she appeared in shot during the Budget and looked overweight.

    Oh yes, very brave. Now how about having Peters or Horan on and getting to the bottom of this? Better yet, invite them both but don’t tell them the other is also invited. Then wheel them out of separate green rooms, live. No? Not so brave now, huh?

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  48. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    The media may be doing Horan a favour by not covering this as this sort of dirt has a nasty habit of sticking as WP well knows. It’s possibly the worst of the many lies he’s spread in the last 10 years. I’m assuming that he’s lying as his lips are moving. WP really is the the best example of the worst example of politics. I hope he’s gone from politics soon.

    Edit – nope it’s in the media – missed that.

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  49. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    The appropriate response is the come back line – such as “the empty saville row suit of New Zealand politics”.

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  50. freemark (580 comments) says:

    effeminate giggles & men that deliberately talk like girls deserve all the scorn (or sympathy?) they get.

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  51. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    This was real scumbag behaviour from Peters, especially for a Member of Parliament. It was more than just off the cuff remarks, it seems to have been premeditated to some extent, and Peters’ reaction suggested he thought it was clever or funny.

    Even by Peters’ long record of low standard unsubstantiated accusations and smears this was disgraceful. Scumbag.

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  52. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    Didn’t Whaleoil make allegations about Horan having sex with a teenage girl a couple of years ago?

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  53. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Shazzadude

    You shouldn’t ask questions about things people don’t want to remember!! ;-)

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  54. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Disgusting allegations that Winnie has made.

    He should be forced to back them up or retire from parliament.

    No other sensible politician would want to deal with a prick like him.

    Not till after we only get 59 seats next election anyway! :)

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  55. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Interesting that Whale Oil doesn’t seem to have posted on it.

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  56. JeffW (326 comments) says:

    SPC at 7:27, I don’t think that comparing Winnie’s ability to dress himself with a smear about abusing young teenage girls is anywhere near a satisfactory response.

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  57. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    A satisfactory response is determined by time and place, and whether there is some truth in comment. The first two parts were certainly wrong…

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  58. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    Shazzadude (489 comments) says:

    May 20th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
    Didn’t Whaleoil make allegations about Horan having sex with a teenage girl a couple of years ago?

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    If she was over 16 there is no issue.

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  59. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    No Pete George, I believe he wrote about it in Truth instead. http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/12/truth-out-tomorrow-youll-want-a-copy-of-this-one/

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  60. lolitasbrother (692 comments) says:

    alarming really vicious and alarming, I think even the public will pick this up.
    The rest of NZ First MP’s are not looking good either

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  61. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ lolitasbrother (395 comments) says:
    May 20th, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    Only if there is no justification for the smear – however….

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  62. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    ” …. real scumbag behaviour from Peters, especially for a Member of Parliament.”

    It wouldn’t have originated from a non-MP, or from a prudent MP outside the House either. That’s a downside of MPs’ insulation from defamation by virtue of the Parliamentary Privilege that they enjoy. It’s a necessary price we pay for one of the cornerstones of stable parliamentary democracy.

    But by all means criticise the media for cowardly subservience to the bullying of Peters. Supposedly-fearless reporters are terrified to push and probe the fading Peters endlessly outside the House, because they themselves are “media stars” who cannot afford to be knee-capped and mortified by him – without defamatory comments – in the public gaze.

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  63. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    It would be interesting to hear what some of the female MP’s who campaign against sexual violence (Jan Logie, Sue Moroney, Maryann Street and even Asenati Lole-Taylor) make of Peters’ disgraceful smear.

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  64. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    Didn’t Whaleoil make allegations about Horan having sex with a teenage girl a couple of years ago?
    ______

    don’t see a teenage girl, just having sex…

    Cameron Slater on December 25, 2012
    Brendan Horan would be a likely pick too..picking the pockets of his dying mum and rooting his way through anything in a skirt.

    Cameron Slater on December 25, 2012
    A video of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev apparently groping a blonde woman during a commercial for a Russian travel agency has become an online hit.
    I bet The Octopus, Brendan Horan, is looking on jealously.

    SERIAL ROOTER BRENDAN HORAN CALLS FOR GAY MARRIAGE REFERENDUM
    by Cameron Slater on March 11, 2013 at 3:30pm

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  65. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (9,870 comments) says:
    May 20th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    If they have been party to the rumours that have circulated for sometime, I doubt they would be offering Mr Horan any support. Who knows if they are true, but this isn’t the first time he’s been to compared to ‘less than desirable people’ and I doubt it will be the last. He’s not known for showing restraint where most people do. Perhaps Winston might have been better calling him Len Brown instead.

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  66. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    Coming to a wrestling ring near you “The Serial Rooter v The Mammalian Sociopath”!

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  67. tvb (4,422 comments) says:

    This is a reckless remark by Peters but it seems to me Horan might have the dirt on Peters and he is willing to use it. Go Brendan.

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  68. hj (7,015 comments) says:

    Peters appears to have been set up over Hooker Lodge. Given this is about immigration policy , lobbying by the construction sector and policy’s that are detrimental to most New Zealanders, I wonder if this isn’t the Corleone Family getting Hyman Roth? How did Peter’s get dirt on Horan?

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  69. hj (7,015 comments) says:

    Apology to Winston Peters

    An apology from Radio New Zealand to Winston Peters.

    Duration:  30″ 
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2596141/apology-to-winston-peters

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  70. Boris Piscina (53 comments) says:

    A talking chicken once told me about a conversation he overheard between two ducks in a bar. The one duck was telling the other one about a certain person who was asked to relinquish his membership of a surf-related club in the Bay of Plenty area, and to not frequent the club’s premises or functions again, on account of innapropriate liasons and activity with a girl who would have been 16 on her next birthday.
    Surprised though I was about the likelihood of a talking chicken, it occurred to me that in a small country like New Zealand it shouldn’t prove too difficult to corroborate the story, if someone was curious and made a few enquiries.

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  71. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @hj: Peters appears to have been set up over Hooker Lodge.

    I take it that was a Freudian slip – or do you have something to share with the rest of us?

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  72. G152 (341 comments) says:

    Horan should support National. That would drive Peters madder.

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  73. deadrightkev (468 comments) says:

    Bloggers are not immune to gutter smears. David Farrar comes to mind.

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