Why Whale Oil should win the Canon Media Blog of the Year

May 9th, 2014 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

The are tonight. is one of the three finalists for Blog of the Year.

While I have high regard for the other two finalists (Toby Manhire and Giovanni Tiso), I think it would be a travesty if Whale Oil does not win this year.

A win doesn’t mean one is endorsing everything Cameron has ever written or said.

A win recognises his impact on the in 2013 and 2014.

British media magnate Lord Northcliffe once famously said that News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising.”

Using that definition of news, the award must go to Whale Oil. He broke the Len Brown story which has had a massive impact. He also has broken a number of stories on Kim Dotcom and the Internet Party. In both cases, these were stories that the subjects wanted suppressed but were of public importance revealing how various media were involved in setting up the Internet Party, without disclosure.

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72 Responses to “Why Whale Oil should win the Canon Media Blog of the Year”

  1. lazza (381 comments) says:

    Couldnt agree more Slim Dave. Cam deserves this accolade. Behind every good man there is a Dog! (in this case Stigg eh?)

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  2. gump (1,621 comments) says:

    The same argument can be made about the British tabloids. Doesn’t mean they should be winning awards for journalism.

    Len Brown hasn’t resigned. Kim Dotcom is still a resident. If we want to judge Whaleoil by his impact then he appears to have had no real impact on events in the “real” world.

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  3. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    I could not agree more. He has, like him or not, and like the tone and nature of his coverage or not, delivered news in its truest sense in a way no other blog has.

    And it’s a media award after all.

    Good luck Cam.

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  4. tvb (4,330 comments) says:

    The Whale has some good sources and he publishes the stories. He is a good counterweight to the left wing MSM. That makes his posts quite good and he is a useful part of the media. The Labour Party probably hate him which makes his even more effective

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  5. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    I agree that Cameron Slater should win, but suspect he will not. My bet is that Tiso will get it based on the campaign he ran against Tamihere and Jackson.

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  6. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (872 comments) says:

    DPF – There is no denial about Cam should win the award and I am all for it.

    But I am not impressed with the way his over eager moderators have locked me out of their blog. Yes, I am a joker and I am not serious about the political issues he posts. But I look at the funny side of politics and make comments. His moderators need to be tolerant of differing views including jokers like me.

    Having said that Whale Oil is his own blog and he has every right to control the input into it. But I though this is a free country and all types of views are tolerated however nonsensical it may sound….Digressing…

    Cam has my utmost respect and all of us have one goal – that is to keep the nutters from winning this election.

    I take this opportunity to wish Cam all the best as I cannot post in Whale Oil !!!!!!!

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  7. kiwi in america (2,428 comments) says:

    Totally agree David. Cam has stolen a march on the MSM over a dozen times and some were, as you said, big hitting stories. The left foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name. I witnessed it first hand on my Easter trip home! Was quite funny…that and hearing them call TV 1, TV 3 and the Herald National Party stooges!

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  8. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Why he shouldn’t: his complete lack of journalistic ethics in the Brown story.

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  9. UrbanNeocolonialist (280 comments) says:

    Cameron can be a bit of a twat at times (he might even agree), but he is 95% a force for good, carrying the weight of investigative journalism in this country, and providing one of the only news sources in this country that hasn’t crawled so far up the left-wings arse that they can no longer see the light.

    Whaleoil’s growth in popularity must scare the main stream media because it is showing up just how badly they are serving the country with their poor journalism and bias- to the point that even with their hugely better resources they are losing their readers to these free alternatives. That is an incredibly damning indictment.

    So yes thoroughly deserving of a win, but won’t because lefties (likely left wing media luvies are judges) are bitter unbalanced individuals who cannot stomach anyone who holds an alternative world view.

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  10. Jimbo (42 comments) says:

    Whaleoil is a conduit for vested interests. He didn’t “break” the Len Brown story: he manipulated a vulnerable woman for the purpose of trying to bring Len Brown down for the benefit of John Slater (relation?) and John Palino.

    When the story got picked up, the angle Whaleoil was pushing was ignored quickly (except to the extent of the paid hotel rooms which other media uncovered) to focus instead on what Palino, Wewege and the Slaters were up to.

    Is that media? Only in the sense that Whaleoil is a medium for the stories no one else will touch for well-considered issues of taste and fears of defamation.

    And let us not forget his “ferals” stuff, the fabrications around the denial of service story, threatening text messages to himself, and The Luminaries upload to Mega. Cameron Slater is no more a journalist than David Farrar is a communist.

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  11. Manolo (13,518 comments) says:

    The effeminate Lynn Prentice and The sub Standard divas will suffer a massive heart attack if Whale wins.

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  12. Jack5 (5,014 comments) says:

    Media awards are cognoscenti bullshit.

    What counts are numbers. Either paid circulation, listener-hours, or web hits. Or, at a more sophisticated level, the total buying power represented by these numbers.

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  13. Brian Smaller (4,007 comments) says:

    The Labour Party probably hate him which makes his even more effective

    I think more than a few in the National Party hate him as well.

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  14. GregM (3 comments) says:

    Whale has completely changed for the better the face of media in the last year or so. I cannot think of a more deserving winner for that reason alone. The MSM should be very afraid.
    Good to see SCS ^^ is still around, I miss his humour. :-)

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  15. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Whaleoil is a conduit for vested interests. He didn’t “break” the Len Brown story: he manipulated a vulnerable woman for the purpose of trying to bring Len Brown down for the benefit of John Slater (relation?) and John Palino.

    He was also caught lying about that on this very blog by me, claiming that he didn’t know anything about the sexual affair during the election, when he’d told the Herald the exact opposite (a lie he repeated on the Nation to extricate himself from allegations of wrongdoing).

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/10/lengate_update.html

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  16. David Garrett (7,001 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson: What “lack of journalistic ethics” are you referring to? While I imagine someone other than she drafted Cheung’s affidavit (lawyers do that all the time) she swore it was true.. she has never come out and said anything in the affidavit is untrue, and words were put into her mouth…she is over 21 and as far as I am aware of sound mind…Cam says she was warned about how messy it would get, and she has never seriously denied that that is the case.

    The story was of massive public importance – corruption, undue influence and conflicts of interests in high places – and the MSM were already shutting it down a week after they most reluctantly covered it. I vividly recall the front page of the former journal of record the Saturday after the story broke..suddenly it was a huge pic of Palino on the front page, and no mention of Len until page 5…

    Brown is, at the very least, a sleazy asshole who is quite happy to use his influence and position for his own venal ends…If Whale hadnt been all over the story we wouldn’t know half of what we know about it.

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  17. RightNow (6,975 comments) says:

    What Jack5 said, the awards itself is just an industry wankfest. Nobody outside the industry gives a shit.
    With or without winning an award, Whaleoil will still have the highest numbers in the NZ blogosphere.
    What are the stats for Whaleoil up to now?
    2+ million page views per month, more than the rest of the top 15 blogs in NZ added together

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  18. Keeping Stock (10,270 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson said

    Why he shouldn’t: his complete lack of journalistic ethics in the Brown story.

    He’s not competing for a journalism award Tom. The landscape for bloggers is different.

    Given the number of stories he has broken (Labour’s Man Ban, Len Brown’s affair, Dotcom’s meetings with Russel Norman, Clare Curran, Winston Peters and Hone Harawira, and the involvement of Martyn Bradbury and Alastair Thompson from Scoop in the formation of the Internet Party are a few that come quickly to mind), he has had a pretty significant year, and it is clear that he has some very well-connected sources. And his readership is hugely significant; well over a million unique visits every month, and over two million page views. He’s so far ahead of other New Zealand blogs including this one that it’s no contest.

    The awards tonight are the Canon Media Awards. Sure; there will be journalistic gongs handed out. But the very existence of a Best Blog award, and Cameron Slater’s nomination for it is proof that the media landscape has changed forever. I agree with DPF that it will be a travesty if Cam does not win the Best Blog award, but nor will it be a surprise if professional jealousies see the award go to Toby Manhire or Giovanni Tiso

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  19. Jack5 (5,014 comments) says:

    More on media awards:

    If you were in the market for a used car, or wanted to sell your present car, would you give a rat’s arse about the NZ Used Car Industry’s annual SponsorX sales yard and SponsorY sales person awards?

    On blogs: does anyone come near Whale and Kiwiblog in readership and participation?

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  20. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson: What “lack of journalistic ethics” are you referring to?

    Here’s a fairly representative code of ethics for journalists.

    http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

    He didn’t minimise harm to his source, he wasn’t acting independently, and he wasn’t accountable.

    According to Chuang, Palino discussed blackmailing Brown into resigning. Cue furious backpedalling from both Slater and Palino who suddenly wanted to claim that they knew nothing about the affair. In Slater’s case, this was contradicted by his own previous statements to the media. I’d have to go back and look at it, but the general impression from texts and so on was that Slater knew about this, and then lied about it later so as to distance himself from accusations of wrongdoing.

    Look, I accept that if Slater doesn’t want us to think he’s a journalist, then that’s fine. But he should stop pretending to be one or claiming that he is one in court.

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  21. RightNow (6,975 comments) says:

    Quite right Jack5. And if you were an advertiser looking for which media outlet was going to give your company the best visibility for your advertising dollar, would you look for the one that won the award or the one with the most views?

    PS here’s the stats from Feb for the top 15 NZ blogs
    http://i1.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/FEb14-stats.png

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  22. slightlyrighty (2,471 comments) says:

    The honesty and integrity of Whaleoil, in part, stems from the fact that he does not hold back on a story to placate advertisers, and that he is upfront and honest about who he is and the side of the fence he sits on. In this openness he is not beholden to anyone and has no skeletons to hide.

    He is not perfect, calls a spade a spade and does not hide behind a veneer of civility. I have no doubt that some media were aware of the Brown affair, and chose not to publish or investigate further. The reasons for doing so should bear scrutiny.

    The follow on effect from all this has been to put Whaleoil on the map, and given a wider audience for the information that he provides. The fact that the MSM is now using him as a source is testament to that fact. The result of this is an interruption of the MSM narrative. The full effects of this are yet to be realized, but cannot be good for Labour. All politicians are under more scrutiny now, but not all of them know it.

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  23. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    @David Garrett

    The story was of massive public importance – corruption, undue influence and conflicts of interests in high places – and the MSM were already shutting it down a week after they most reluctantly covered it. I vividly recall the front page of the former journal of record the Saturday after the story broke..suddenly it was a huge pic of Palino on the front page, and no mention of Len until page 5…

    Brown is, at the very least, a sleazy asshole who is quite happy to use his influence and position for his own venal ends…If Whale hadnt been all over the story we wouldn’t know half of what we know about it.

    Yes, I think this is all true, and if it had stopped there, it would have been fine. But it didn’t stop there.

    Chuang says that she was pressured into revealing the affair by Palino’s team. A threatening text before the election warned her off talking to the “slaters” (plural). Chuang says that Palino discussed with her blackmailing Brown into resigning.

    Now, none of this is for certain, and it’s certainly possible she is lying. What’s not credible was Palino’s feeble attempts to say that his secret meeting with Chuang wasn’t about the affair and that he didn’t know about it before Whale made it public. Whale himself then said he didn’t know about it either, despite previously telling the Herald the opposite. That was an outright lie told to protect himself. I don’t have evidence that Chuang lied, but evidence that Slater and Palino did. Hence, I tend to believe that her account is more credible.

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  24. Kelly (28 comments) says:

    I was wondering where you had gone SCS

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  25. Jack5 (5,014 comments) says:

    Part of Whale’s runaway success is its entertainment value, IMHO. Whale Oil benefits from Whale’s sense of humour as well as from his near-reckless cheekiness. The blog’s got the appeal of really good graffiti, and yet it’s not anonymous. Slater’s personal scrapes are part of the appeal.

    IMHO, another contributor to his success is skilful use of the blog medium, such as the video clips he uses, and the freshness in his material.

    If Whale’s blog success was entirely because of his crusading, why wasn’t this success paralleled when he ran NZ Truth?

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  26. Jimbo (42 comments) says:

    David Garrett is mostly right: the story was of “massive public importance – corruption, undue influence and conflicts of interests (in low places)” with John Palino, Luigi Wewege and Slater Inc at the heart of it.

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  27. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Here’s what I wrote in the Lengate thread about Slater’s lies

    Until today, all that was the case is that some time before Tuesday, and probably before the election, Cameron Slater, John Palino and Palino’s campaign worker Luigi Wewege knew that Brown had been having an affair. John Slater may well have known too, being Palino’s campaign manager (and may well be the “john” referred to in Wewege’s Facebook messages to Chuang).

    None of that is criminal or in any way wrong.

    What makes it wrong is that Chuang seems on her account to have been pressured into revealing the affair in order to damage Brown. Now she’s claiming that this was part of a plot to blackmail him into resigning. That’s just nasty.

    Now Chuang may well be making that up. But that doesn’t explain why the other four parties have been either caught in lies about what they knew and/or are backpedalling. That doesn’t really make sense. I would have no problem with Slater saying he knew about the affair, but there was no conspiracy. Instead, he’s at pains to point out – in contradiction to earlier statements – that neither he nor Palino knew about it at all. That suggests to me that Chuang is telling the truth, for there is no reason for them to deny knowing about it, even if only as a rumour.

    Cam Slater is welcome to say that the Herald misquoted him (and this could be shown by asking the journalists to look at their notes), but until he does, he’s on record as lying about his knowledge of the case.

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  28. RightNow (6,975 comments) says:

    @Tom Jackson – whether or not you believe everything you read in the Herald is entirely up to you, they are reportedly skilled and trained journalists. But I think you’re old enough now to know the truth: Santa Claus isn’t real.

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  29. lazza (381 comments) says:

    Tom Jaackson says “W’oil told lies”.

    Oh Shock Horror … be still my quaking heart.

    A journalist/blogger … “wot tell fibs”.

    Surely Knot.

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  30. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    whether or not you believe everything you read in the Herald is entirely up to you, they are after all skilled and trained journalists.

    If Cameron Slater thinks that the Herald misled the public about what he knew and when, surely he could request a retraction.

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  31. RightNow (6,975 comments) says:

    “surely he could request a retraction.”

    Perhaps, or he could just keep showing them up to be hacks. I like that he does that a lot.
    By not playing by their version of the rules he deligitimises their arrogant claims to be somehow superior to bloggers.
    And his blog stats are growing month on month, so I think he’s representative of a growing unrest with traditional media.

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  32. Robo (24 comments) says:

    Cam breaks stories, and he is not afraid. NZ needs journalists like him. He should win.

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  33. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Perhaps, or he could just keep showing them up to be hacks.

    There would be no better way of doing that than by showing that they had misused a quotation from him to imply that he had knowledge of a sexual affair at a time he’s sworn blind he had no knowledge of it.

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  34. RightNow (6,975 comments) says:

    “There would be no better way of doing that than by …”

    In your opinion perhaps. Or he can carry on giving them (and the closed brethren of the industry) the middle digit. He’s a revolutionary is Cam.

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  35. Jack5 (5,014 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson: no matter how or why Whale broke the story about Bonking Brown, Brown is the ratbag in this saga.

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  36. RightNow (6,975 comments) says:

    @Tom, you keep saying you caught Cam out in a lie, yet you don’t seem to have taken any action to get the alleged lie retracted.

    Why is that?

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  37. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Lol @ Toby Manhire and Giovanni Tiso’s blogs being nominated.

    The far extremes of pretentiousness and handwringing. Their hatred for anything right of Che Guevara oozes out of every word.

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  38. David Garrett (7,001 comments) says:

    Tom J: I will assume you are serious…retractions in newspapers are next to useless – and I have extracted a few in my time…They are inevitably at the bottom of a column of “in briefs” on page 6 or 8, and in small print. I once managed to get one in bold type at the top of the column, but that was only because the editor in question was pissed off at his own senior journo I think…

    Jack5: Quite right…and the prick appears to have got away with it…largely because the MSM “moved on” so quickly…And re the Truth, I thought Cam made a damn good fist of it…but he was hampered by a number of things, not least no budget to pay his contributors….(I know, because I was one…people will only keep writing for nothing for a time, or unless they are so keen to see their name in print they will keep on doing it just for that reward..)

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  39. petal (705 comments) says:

    @Sir Cullen’s Sidekick, you really need to tell the whole story. Incidentally, just FYI, it was Cam Slater that blocked you, not me. #fact As for not being able to wish him well, I guess he doesn’t have a well publicised email or Facebook or a Twitter account. Feel free to focus on “moderation” as the source of evil. If you really think that happens against Cam Slater’s wishes than I congratulate you on your self delusion. PS: Let me know if you mind me telling the whole story. People so love a victim on right wing blogs.

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  40. David Garrett (7,001 comments) says:

    Those blog viewer stats are very interesting…900k odd per month for Whale; 400k odd for KB…and 150 for the Stranded…

    Even trying to be as objective as I can – and that is difficult, I admit – the level of commenting over there is woeful compared with here…It must make Mickey and his Mates seethe with fury..perhaps they think the visitor numbers are “fixed” in some way? As of course they would be, if they had any say or opportunity…

    Has anyone done any kind of analysis on the numbers of commenters on the various blogs??I guess it’s pretty hard to do accurately, but it seems to me the same dozen or so a the Stranded, with about three times that number here…and a steady influx of new blood…we certainly have a very good idea of the relative numbers on the “Banned” list!!

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  41. All_on_Red (1,559 comments) says:

    Jack5
    “If Whale’s blog success was entirely because of his crusading, why wasn’t this success paralleled when he ran NZ Truth?”

    All the Ads for the whores put people off , especially advertisers and the value of the Brand was diluted far too much because of it.

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  42. petal (705 comments) says:

    @David Garrett, every time someone challenges the stats, I’ve invited them to nominate someone we both trust to have a look and report. For example, would you trust DPF to report the truth to you? In such a case, I’m happy to show David anything and everything so he can report back to you what he finds.

    Monday to Wednesday Whaleoil clocked up the same amount of traffic that The Daily Blog achieved in total last month. It is running at double the traffic it was doing a year prior.

    People may be confused why more and more people find Whaleoil a source they must include in their daily media consumption, but we’re creating growth that isn’t seen anywhere else.

    And yes, that’s making people think it’s smoke and mirrors. So, pick someone, like DPF, and we’ll settle this once and for all.

    Incidentally, we don’t care what other people think. We’re just getting on with the plan that’s in place, and we’re quite happy with it, to be honest.

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  43. RightNow (6,975 comments) says:

    @DG, a couple of thoughts about the number of comments/ commenters on blogs.

    I noticed when DPF was away that the General Debate thread would get hundreds of comments when there were no other posts. In my opinion KB has become like a version of facebook for a lot of people, where it’s basically a social media hangout.

    Whether or not Whaleoil has more comments/commenters doesn’t mean anything about the popularity of the blog and in fact what it suggests to me is that at Whaleoil people go to see what Cam has posted more than anything – they go to see the content rather than the comments. Also consider how many visits/views No Right Turn gets even though he has comments disabled.

    And finally, I have noticed in the last year or so a huge increase in comments/commenters at Whaleoil, and I think that is a positive trend for the blog. I have in the past not bothered to comment there much because stupid disqus kept screwing up my login, but that seems to have been fixed now and I’m commenting more often. I still prefer the format of comments at KB though, as well as the old familiar.

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  44. David Garrett (7,001 comments) says:

    Petal: Woh baby!! I wasnt suggesting for a moment that the stats were in some way bogie….I was suggested that the bitter and twisted individuals who run the Standard probably fervently wish – if they dont quite believe – that they are.

    I personally find the level of comment here at KB more erudite … I consider myself very well informed, and I learn something pretty much every time I come here from someone who knows more about something than me.

    And as RightNow has noted, I also find the format of Whaleoil very “clunky”…whereas here it’s very easy to comment. and I am a bit of a technophobe, so it’s not much use telling me how to do it.

    As to who is more “out there” in getting stuff in the public arena, I dont think there’s much doubt that Whale would take that prize…and I suspect that DPF is quite happy as number two…

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  45. petal (705 comments) says:

    @David Garrett Damn! I really was hoping to goad someone into to this so we could put this puppy to bed for once and for all :)

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  46. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (872 comments) says:

    petal (701 comments) says:
    May 9th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    Pete – before somebody shoots me for using this blog for exchange of conversation I will quickly say couple of things and apologise to all:

    (a) If Cam himself blocked me, I am honoured and delighted. Since I got the email from you I thought it was you. Apologies
    (b) Yes, I did get a chance and a friendly warning to change my ways and continue posting and I chose not to take that option because I strongly felt I had the right to express my views in my own style. But as you pointed out clearly, it is his blog, his rules and I accept that. Getting kicked out of Whale Oil has not diminished my respect to Cam one bit. I regularly visit Whale Oil and enjoy Cam’s blogs.

    p.s. I don’t have a twitter handle and I don’t want to use Facebook. If you talk to him convey my best wishes.

    DPF – My sincere apologies for posting this and straying off the topic…..

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  47. questions (196 comments) says:

    Looking at that quote, and his content, his “exclusives” and other assorted manure are really only “suppressed” because, aside from 1 or 2 big things, the bulk of them insignificant and unimportant draw sniffing and rubbish rifling.

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  48. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Pfft – The Whale a journalist?

    Jeez, New Zealand has really got a low standards thing going on!!

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  49. bc (1,365 comments) says:

    I’m sure will Cam will win. As others have said, this has nothing to do with quality – it is a media award not a journalism award.

    Poor Cam. He was all set to go on a date with Judith Collins until daddy Key said no :)

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  50. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    @Tom, you keep saying you caught Cam out in a lie, yet you don’t seem to have taken any action to get the alleged lie retracted.

    Why is that?

    Because I don’t care if Slater is on record as a liar. It’s just one of the many vices he publicly indulges in.

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  51. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    @SCS

    What did you do to get kicked off WhaleOil?

    It can’t have been rabid racism and bigotry, since he tolerates that.

    Did you mention his infidelity?

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  52. Keeping Stock (10,270 comments) says:

    @ Tom Jackson – I presume you are the one perfect person in the world. An affair is nothing to be proud of, but in spite of everything he has a very forgiving wife, and they are celebrating their 22nd wedding anniversary today.

    Slipping in a little bit of innuendo like that seems to be your style. Do you take lessons from Mallard?

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  53. itstricky (1,774 comments) says:

    A win recognises his impact on the media in 2013 and 2014.

    I guess you’re right, impact in the way that The Truth had Page 3 girls. I mean, that’s his sort of impact.

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  54. Jimbo (42 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock excuses Cameron Slater but not Len Brown for infidelity. Why the difference?

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  55. bc (1,365 comments) says:

    Regarding Whaleoil’s page views.
    Cam is page view hungry. Being #1 in the page view stats is his big thing.
    He does this in two ways:
    1) Flooding his site with lots of posts per day with things like face of the day, tweet of the day, proverb of the day etc along with youtube clips and trivia. These often don’t have any comment by Cam (or his team) so you can make your site look busy pretty quickly. Keeps people who like to be first to comment coming back multiple times a day.
    2) For his more serious posts where he blogs, you get the first paragraph only, which means you have to click to get another page for the full story. Very clever!!

    I commend DPF for not playing silly games to get his stats up. It makes kiwiblog a better blog in my opinion, even it is #2 !!

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  56. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    What has Cameron Slater reported on the CORRUPT Minister of Justice Judith Collins ACTUAL ‘conflicts of interest’ regarding Oravida, and her abject failure to introduce her ‘Organised Crime and Anti-Corruption Legislation Bill’ into the House, so NZ can ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption?

    I can’t comment directly on HIS ‘WhaleOil’ blog – because it appears Cameron Slater can’t ‘handle the truth’ and he has blocked/banned me.

    As has the phony Martyn Bradbury on HIS ‘Daily Blog’.

    At least YOU practice what you preach David Farrar regarding support for ‘freedom of expression’ for which I give you full credit.

    Penny Bright

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  57. srylands (405 comments) says:

    “At least YOU practice what you preach David Farrar regarding support for ‘freedom of expression’ for which I give you full credit.”

    Yes, but I am sure he has a pain threshold.

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  58. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Since you have made that disgustingly servile play (8:25) for the affections of DPF Penny I’ve decided to cross you off my list of possible wives. :)

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  59. Kea (12,080 comments) says:

    KB is better than Whaleoil. The layout and content is far superior in every way. I also think the comments and debate beats Whaleoil. I can not fathom how Cam’s site gets more views than this one.

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  60. David Garrett (7,001 comments) says:

    Penny…where is your list of forums attended? The many websites you maintain? Are you unwell??

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  61. Maureenw (5 comments) says:

    Congratulations to Cameron and Team. They have cleaned up their blog which makes this one now look like a shambles. No disrespect .. The vile comments need to be gone.

    ,

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  62. Maureenw (5 comments) says:

    To Penny @ 8.25. There’s probably a message in there for you somewhere

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  63. Colville (2,256 comments) says:

    The format here is far nicer to use than at Whale but Whale has improved content imeseurably in the last few months.

    Hope he wins.

    Oh and I hope he gives SCS a reprieve!

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  64. Maureenw (5 comments) says:

    To Coalville – as I understand it he was,and this was to stay within the general debates. I miss him too btw.

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  65. Pete George (23,437 comments) says:

    “They have cleaned up their blog which makes this one now look like a shambles. No disrespect .. The vile comments need to be gone.”

    Maureenw is right, there’s more chance of having a decent debate at Whale Oil now than here, and minimal chance of personal attacks and harrassment as can still happen here.

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  66. petal (705 comments) says:

    @Penny Bright

    I’m quite happy to have you back Penny, as long as you stick to the same rules. In your case I anticipate that may be a problem as we are not offering the blog platform as a venue to attack the people that run it. So if you can get past that and want to put your side of the story on issues through debate (avoiding personalities), drop me a note pete@wh……. and we’ll get you back. I promise I’ll keep Cameron on the chain. Although I can’t guarantee he will ever change his mind that you are crazy :)

    @SCS lovers

    SCS has chosen only to explain the publicly palatable parts of the parting. Things have happened that make reconciliation out of the question.

    – Pete ex WOBH

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  67. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Maureenw is right, there’s more chance of having a decent debate at Whale Oil now than here, and minimal chance of personal attacks and harrassment as can still happen here.

    Fuck you, Pete George. ;-)

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  68. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    @ Tom Jackson – I presume you are the one perfect person in the world. An affair is nothing to be proud of, but in spite of everything he has a very forgiving wife, and they are celebrating their 22nd wedding anniversary today.

    I would think that men who find it hard to keep from parking their cars in non-approved spaces ought not to make hay over Len Brown’s sad little attempt at extracurricular nookie.

    I would also think that a real man would face up to his own failings and not wildly delete comments from his blog that point out his hypocrisy.

    Slipping in a little bit of innuendo like that seems to be your style. Do you take lessons from Mallard?

    As if Mallard isn’t guilty of such indiscretions. Didn’t he have a fight with Tau Henare over it?

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  69. Jack5 (5,014 comments) says:

    Maureen W posted at 9.10:

    They have cleaned up their blog which makes this one now look like a shambles.

    Maureen, I note your posts on Kiwiblog are still in single numbers. Have you been just lurking for a while?

    Pete George supports your 9.10 post. Surely you’re not another of United Future’s seven members? Or worse, a supporter of Bonking Brown?

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  70. Scott Chris (6,036 comments) says:

    A win recognises his impact on the media in 2013 and 2014.

    Pfft – the a-hole’s ‘feral’ comments a couple of days after a woman had lost her fourth son is a very good reason not to give Slater the award.

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  71. Jack5 (5,014 comments) says:

    This from Stuff, today (Saturday), shows these awards distort the importance and role of the traditional print media in the online world – it’s a list of web prizes in the awards:

    Online

    Best Digital Breaking News Coverage: nzherald.co.nz

    Best Innovation in Multimedia Storytelling: stuff.co.nz, Lost in the Long White Cloud

    Best Innovation in New Technologies: Viva – The New Zealand Herald

    Best Digital Community Interaction: The Wellington Report – The Dominion Post

    Best Video: Mike Scott, Waikato Times/stuff.co.nz

    Best Blog: Cameron Slater – Whale Oil

    Best News site: stuff.co.nz; Best Website: Yahoo NZ

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  72. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    And in other news, the hard of hearing caused astonishment at the after-award celebrations with their enthusiastic chanting.

    Wheel oil beef hooked!
    Wheel oil beef hooked!
    Wheel oil beef hooked!

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