Williamson and Liu

May 1st, 2014 at 9:55 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

A National Party Minister contacted a top ranking police officer after a wealthy businessman with close ties to him was arrested on domestic violence charges.

The Prime Minister’s office is understood to be considering ’s future as a Minister, following Herald inquiries into the phone call that he made.

His office is understood to have also questioned Mr Williamson over his involvement with ’s criminal case.

Prime Minister John Key will make a statement later this morning.

I’ll update this story as it develops. I’m at the gym 1045 to 1145, so likely next update around midday.

UPDATE: Maurice Williamson has resigned as a Minister

Prime Minister John Key today announced he has accepted the resignation of Maurice Williamson as a Minister.

“I have been made aware that Mr Williamson contacted Police some time ago regarding their investigation of Mr Donghua Liu,” Mr Key says.

“Mr Williamson has assured me that he did not in any way intend to influence the Police investigation.

“However, Mr Williamson’s decision to discuss the investigation with Police was a significant error of judgement.

“The independence of Police investigations is a fundamental part of our country’s legal framework.

“Mr Williamson’s actions have been very unwise as they have the potential to bring that independence into question.

MPs regularly assist constituents in their dealings with Government agencies, including alleged criminal issues.

However it is unwise to discuss a criminal case directly with the Police if you are an MP, let alone a Minister. The better thing to do is have staff members make inquiries, rather than have a Minister directly contact Police. No matter how innocent, or otherwise, the inquiry – a Minister making a phone call/s will at a minimum be seen as potential pressure.

The Herald reports:

Maurice Williamson told a senior police officer that a wealthy businessman facing domestic assault charges was “investing a lot of money in New Zealand” and urged police to be on “solid ground”, according to internal police emails.

The former National Party Minister, who resigned this morning following Herald revelations that he made the phone call, said that he “in no way was he looking to interfere” with the criminal case against Donghua Liu but just wanted to “make sure somebody had reviewed the matter to ensure we were on solid ground as Mr Liu is investing a lot of money in New Zealand”, according to Inspector Gary Davey.

Referring to the amount of money someone is investing in NZ, is not relevant to a Police investigation and should not be referred to

A sad way for Maurice’s ministerial career to end, with 15 years or so as a Minister.

UPDATE2: The PM is speaking to the media about this. He has referred to Section 4.14 of the Cabinet Manual which states:

Following a long-established principle, Ministers do not involve themselves in deciding whether a person should be prosecuted, or on what charge.

The PM has said that a phone call to the Police on a decision to prosecute crosses a clear line. He also said that as a result of the phone call, the Police did an internal review of the case.

UPDATE3:

National MP Maurice Williamson lobbied a ministerial colleague to give New Zealand citizenship “as fast as possible” to a wealthy businessman – then conducted the ceremony himself the day after citizenship was granted against the recommendation of officials.

The urgent VIP ceremony, believed to have taken place in Mr Williamson’s Parliamentary office, is another close link between the former Minister and millionaire property developer Donghua Liu, who has donated $22,000 to the National Party previously.

I’m sorry, but how could you think that was a good idea after what Shane Jones and Dover Samuels did with Bill Liu. How in God’s name did no warning bells go off. This is like deja vu.

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109 Responses to “Williamson and Liu”

  1. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Williamson is one MP in National who would not be missed . . . he has previous form as a renegade.

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  2. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    It doesn’t matter what the nature of the phone call really was, Williamson has to be toast. Unfortunately it just won’t matter whether he discussed the last episode of Shortland Street or the Liu case.

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  3. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Well IF true and IF he has to resign, maybe he can be our ABL (anyone but Len) mayoral candidate.

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  4. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Key soon to make an unscheduled statement. It doesn’t look good for Williamson.

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  5. Reid (16,452 comments) says:

    What a fool. How could he possibly imagine he could ever make this look good if it got out? If I was an MP and had a wealthy Chinese businessman as a supporter, the first thing I’d explain to him is that NZ isn’t China and if he breaks the law then he should not expect me to become involved, either overtly or covertly.

    The disappointing thing is this means Goff is a shoe-in for the mayoralty.

    It doesn’t look good for Williamson.

    No, there’s no love lost between those two…

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  6. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Yawn! Something else that will distract from the real issues that should be focused on in a election year.

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  7. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Would this be the Maurice William Sung who backed the sale of the Crafar dairy farms to Chinese interests?

    Why are so many National folk naive in keeping their noses clean in their contacts with Chinese business people? Don’t they know it’s Maori you hongi with?

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  8. thePeoplesFlag (245 comments) says:

    The New Zealand National Party, a fully owned subsidary of China.

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  9. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    You can’t keep your nose clean when it’s so far up arse.

    Will Ellen delesbian invite him over to explain himself? Bwahahahahaha

    Instead of insulting his constituents over rainbow crap he could have been reading up on the moral responsiblity that goes with high office.

    It does seem at times that we’ve sold our souls to the highest bidders ,but this has been going on for a very long time.

    We threw away any morality we had in the unseemly haste to get the Chicoms on board and recognising them as a free and open economy,yes it’s been good for business,but the morality?

    Kowtow,kowtow,kowtow.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04/29/china-cracks-down-on-christianity-demolishing-church-that-symbolized-resistance-to-communists-grip-on-religion/

    Maybe he could change his name to Williuson?

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  10. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

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  11. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    No wonder Key is looking stressed out these days. He’s finding out that the Nats are not lilly white and he has managed to drive their best out leaving only the mediocre.

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  12. Kea (12,835 comments) says:

    What would the Klarken have done ?

    [Assuming Maurice was a poofter]

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  13. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    He’s gotta go. Today would be a good day to go!

    Seeing as though we are so close to the election, ill tolerate him staying on as an MP so we dont have to blow a heap on a circus.

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  14. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Gone by lunch time. Good bye Maurice uncle. Good to know you.

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  15. stephen2d (83 comments) says:

    Williamson, you utter imbecile!

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  16. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    What would the Klarken have done ?

    We already know what she *did* do – ask Peter Doone.

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  17. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    National cabinet ministers’ enthusiasm for dodgy Chinese political practices is an embarrassment. Key, Collins, Williamson – are there any that aren’t using their position to make private deals with wealthy Chinese businessmen, or is it a requirement for a cabinet position in this government?

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  18. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    Sorry to say it but he has to go.

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  19. wreck1080 (3,912 comments) says:

    maybe williamson met liu entirely by coincidence and they became just good lifetime friends?

    Nothing to do with him being a minister.

    It is very curious as to why williamson desperately loves bill liu even to the point of throwing away his career and reputation.

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  20. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    Yawn! Something else that will distract from the real issues that should be focused on in a election year.

    Like smearing Judith Collins?

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  21. wreck1080 (3,912 comments) says:

    @viking2::

    National do punish mp’s where fit.

    Unlike labour, who they have still to this day never admitted taito philip fields did anything wrong despite being convicted in a court of law.

    You get things the wrong way around here i think.

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  22. Reid (16,452 comments) says:

    The granting of citizenship by Nathan Guy needs to be looked at here. This is the same as the other Liu with Shane Jones. Doing that needs to be removed from ministerial discretion, it simply reeks of corruption and a cross-party accord is required here.

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  23. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Looks like I might actually get a decent local mp, who is visible in the area.

    Surely he can’t stand again in September if he’s sacked here

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  24. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    Hard to imagine a Minister as experienced as Williamson making such an elementary lapse of judgment. I too will wait until the PM’s statement, but if he gets the boot, he has only himself to blame.

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  25. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Let’s see the great pro gay orator talk his way out of this one.

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  26. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    KS

    Come off it.Their poo smells the same as yours and mine.

    The problem comes when they forget that and they get into that rarified atmosphere of the permanent political class.

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  27. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Like smearing Judith Collins?

    She next.

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  28. jp_1983 (213 comments) says:

    He Resigned as a Cabinet Minister

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  29. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Williamson has resigned as a minister. The plus side of that is it might give a new Minister a bit of experience before the election.

    Not a good look for National but dealt with appropriately – unless it can be found that Key knew about this earlier and did nothing as some have suggested could have happened.

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  30. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Tinshed (64 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Yes, Collins was the start and I am more than happy to take part in any shredding campaign where she is concerned, so I get your point – hypocritical of me.

    But I really would like to see some real discussions comparing the policies on major issues – that is where an election campaign should be won or lost – what is best for the country’s future – there are starting to be more distractions than anything with substance, in my opinion (and that’s all I have to go by).

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  31. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    Man overboard, and in good time too.

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  32. anonymouse (715 comments) says:

    Officlally Goneburger
    “Press Release by New Zealand Government at 11:04AM, 01 May 2014
    ———————————————–

    Prime Minister John Key today announced he has accepted the resignation of Maurice Williamson as a Minister.

    “I have been made aware that Mr Williamson contacted Police some time ago regarding their investigation of Mr Donghua Liu,” Mr Key says.

    “Mr Williamson has assured me that he did not in any way intend to influence the Police investigation.

    “However, Mr Williamson’s decision to discuss the investigation with Police was a significant error of judgement.

    “The independence of Police investigations is a fundamental part of our country’s legal framework.

    “Mr Williamson’s actions have been very unwise as they have the potential to bring that independence into question.

    “I have advised the Governor General to accept Mr Williamson’s resignation as a Minister.

    Mr Key said he will appoint a new Minister outside Cabinet early next week and in the meantime, Nick Smith will act in the Building and Construction portfolio, Nathan Guy in Land Information, and Simon Bridges in Customs and Statistics.

    ENDS

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  33. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @Pete George 11:05 am

    NZ Herald’s Jared Savage’s OIA email to the Police over Williamson’s involvement is dated 4 April.

    Assistant Commissioner Craig Tweedie’s reply to Savage’s OIA request is dated 24 April.

    I would have thought that under the “no surprises” protocol Key’s office would have been informed by the Police before the Tweedie’s reply was sent.

    That means Key would have known about it for at least a week before doing anything about it, which does raise the suspicion that he only acted when it became apparent the issue was going to become public.

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  34. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    In the meantime, Nick Smith would take over the Building and Construction portfolio, Nathan Guy would take the Land Information portfolio, and Simon Bridges would take the Customs and Statistics.

    Fuck the builders will be encouraged by this. Smith was the prick responsible for pushing through untreated timber use that led to millions of dollars worth of wealth destruction.

    when is Key going to sack that sack of crap.

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  35. 3-coil (1,220 comments) says:

    Next question will be: did that big gay rainbow across the sky of Williamson’s electorate land in his pocket, and how big was the pot of gold?

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  36. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Maurice Williamson resigns as a minister

    The decision brings to an end Mr Williamson’s 27-year career in Parliament.

    ===========================
    Um unless they haven’t reported it the Herald has as usual fucked up.

    No sign of Maurice resigning yet.

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  37. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    It’s less than 6 months till the election, he’ll sit it out till then.

    I assume they mean he isn’t going to stand again in September

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  38. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Good to see the back of this veteran and tired trougher.

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  39. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    The Nats. will have a bunch of rookie Mp’s if they go back. Much of the new so called talent is dreadful. e.g. Simon ( I didn’t know about the forest).

    Guy is light weight, Kaye is light weight Adams shows some promise.

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  40. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    Mr Williamson has been round long enough to know that intervention (any way you want to play it) by an MP, let alone a member of the Executive, in an active police investigation in a hanging offense. He did, he got hung, not much more to be said …. more rejuvenation perhaps …. 27 years in politics is a long time … some might say too long.

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  41. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    But isn’t he only guilty of helping his constituents a-la Taito Philip Field?

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  42. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    … are there any that aren’t using their position to make private deals with wealthy Chinese businessmen, or is it a requirement for a cabinet position in this government?

    Perhaps they should just focus on importing tilers from Thailand, thus insuring the silence of the Left.

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  43. stigie (1,183 comments) says:

    “”Guy is light weight, Kaye is light weight Adams shows some promise.””

    Still a lot better than that other fucking lot across the other side of the house !!

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  44. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    Viking, untreated timber was not a big factor in the whole leaky buildings fiasco. H1 treated timber performs almost the same as untreated when it gets damp as the treatment is water soluble. H1 (boric) is meant for internal, protected use and resists insect (read borer) attack. It does not confer any significant protection against fungi.

    The real issue was weatherproofing with the widespread adoption of sheet claddings allied with the use of silicone sealants plus inadequate overhangs to protect joints and other points of moisture penetration. This can be OK (just) if done well, but in many cases the workmanship was also inadequate with joints not sealed. In order to have “solved” the issue with timber treatment a minimum of H3 or H4 level of treatment (Copper/Chrome/Arsenic) would be necessary, and that protection was never specified for internal timber but only for external exposed construction like decks.

    But back on topic, about time Williamson went, and I have to agree that I find it hard to understand why he would do this as it is an absolutely obviously foolish act. Donghua Liu must either have Maurice’s balls in a very tight grip or Maurice has become somewhat addled.

    Toad, in order for Key to have waited until he knew it would become public he would have to have thought that the information was in some way not news worthy. Surely a juicy titbit like this given to a Herald reporter is hardly going to remain private is it ? I agree that if he knew he could have acted sooner, but given that the OIA request was complied with (as it should be) and Williamson has indeed immediately resigned the outcome is appropriate and sufficiently timely. Actually I’d rather Maurice resigned from parliament, I do think that the offense is bad enough for that.

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  45. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    “But isn’t he only guilty of helping his constituents a-la Taito Philip Field?”

    No, the person in question isn’t and never has been a constituent, regardless it’s against the rules.

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  46. Floyd60 (92 comments) says:

    Well that’s put a bit of a dent in his rainbow.

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  47. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Interesting to read the facts (rather than the spin put on it by the Hoorald). According to the Police emails:

    ….Mr Davey told the two district commanders that he phoned Mr Williamson on January 28. “He started by saying that in no way was he looking to interfere with the process, he just wanted to make sure somebody had reviewed the matter to ensure we were on solid ground as Mr Liu is investing a lot of money in New Zealand.” Mr Davey said he told Mr Williamson that the criminal case was reviewed by the senior sergeant in charge of family violence cases, as well as the police prosecution team. “I told him it was ultimately up to Prosecutions to decide whether they would continue with the case.” Mr Davey said he told Mr Williamson that the police would carry on with the prosecution. “I also explained the wider responsibility of police to pursue these matters [redacted]. I told Mr Williamson that the best advice he can give Mr Liu is to have him seek good legal advice. The conversation was polite and professional on both sides and he appeared to be accepting of the police position.

    So, no attempt by Williamson to influence the Police investigation at all. But the fact he (as a Cabinet Minister) called the Police to discuss this matter in the first place, was plain dumb.

    Resigning from his Ministerial role, was his only option.

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  48. aquataur (56 comments) says:

    The Nats are starting to look like they are dancing to the tune of wealthy Chinese businessmen !
    Not a good look – if there is one things Kiwis will rail against, it is the thought that their politicians are somehow being bought and are on the take.

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  49. Tictactoe (32 comments) says:

    I agree Williamson was pretty effing stupid about this, and I would prefer to see him resign from Parliament altogether.

    What I don’t get is why are people still so butthurt (har har) over a speech he made, what, 9 months ago?

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  50. RRM (9,919 comments) says:
    Maurice Williamson told a senior police officer that a wealthy businessman facing domestic assault charges was “investing a lot of money in New Zealand” and urged police to be on “solid ground”, according to internal police emails.

    A sad way for Maurice’s ministerial career to end, with 15 years or so as a Minister.

    Yes, being caught blatantly trying to warn the police off prosecuting his friend is a pretty bad look. (Is there a law against Ministers of the Govt doing that?)

    Mind you, if he’d been a labour MP he’d have held on for years and years…

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  51. gump (1,647 comments) says:

    Ministers have to be seen to be above reproach.

    Maurice had to go.

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  52. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Resign from Parliament or be sacked unscrupulous trougher Williamson.

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  53. dubya (235 comments) says:

    More of a shitstorm than a rainbow now.

    Anyone else notice he looks like the long lost Topp Triplet since he got rid of the beard?

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  54. minus (194 comments) says:

    Former Labour associate immigration minister Damien O’Connor approved residency for the wealthy Chinese businessman in 2005, against officials’ advice.

    Williamson lobbied ministerial colleagues heavily on behalf of Liu’s citizenship bid in 2010. Then-Immigration Minister Nathan Guy subsequently approved Liu’s citizenship, also against official advice.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9996560/Minister-Maurice-Williamson-resigns-amid-claim

    Why was Liu twice disapproved by officials? Does he had a past record of family violence?

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  55. minus (194 comments) says:

    National’s Williamson / Liu
    New Zealand First’s Denis O’Rourke / Stephen James

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  56. King Kong (41 comments) says:

    I see Whaleoil is making veiled threats to Key on Williamson’s behalf.

    This is the problem with National buddying up to Cam, when you let a monkey in your house you can be sure that at some stage it is going to start flinging its shit around.

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  57. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “We already know what she *did* do – ask Peter Doone.”

    Peter Doone’s last public words were, “I’m going to sue”. Only bullshitters become top cops!

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  58. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “he just wanted to make sure somebody had reviewed the matter to ensure we were on solid ground as Mr Liu is investing a lot of money in New Zealand.”

    sounds to me like he was trying to influence the cops.

    Dime would like to think the cops are “on solid ground” before they charge anyone!

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  59. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    I do find the inherent racism of many of the comments disturbing. Mr Liu’s ethnicity has nothing to do with this issue which is clearly a Cabinet Minister involving himself inappropriately in a criminal matter. The case against Williamson’s actions is clear cut and unambiguous. So why drag Mr Liu’s ethnicity into this unless it is dog-whistle politics about “those greedy,corrupt Asians immigrants who are responsible for Auckland’s housing issues.”

    Of more importance to me than Mr Liu ethnicity is why Williamson should involve himself with someone accused of domestic violence. I’d like to think no-one of the many differing political views who post on this site, ever think domestic violence is OK under any circumstance. Why on earth should he take up the cudgels for such an offence?

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  60. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    good grief Maurice .. WTF were you thinking?

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  61. minus (194 comments) says:

    The ink had barely dried on Maurice Williamson’s resignation before NZ First leader Winston Peters called for another [Collins, again].

    Shouldn’t Winston be sorting the Denis O’Rourke / Stephen James naughtiness?

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  62. twofish (94 comments) says:

    minus – it would appear that Denis O’Rourke / Stephen James have taken a page from their Master’s book and just made sure everything is technically ‘honest’ as Winston would –
    so they are safe as houses, even if it is the same one :-)

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  63. gump (1,647 comments) says:

    @minus

    Winston subscribes to the “attack is the best form of defense” school of political strategy.

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  64. MikeG (425 comments) says:

    @Elaycee at 12:14 pm

    If he wasn’t trying to influence the Police investigation why did he mention “investing a lot of money in New Zealand” ?
    It’s also unfortunate that he thinks that Police would charge someone if they were not on “solid ground”.

    Key should have sacked Williamson as soon as he knew i.e. yesterday, after-all he was the one promoting “higher standards” of his Ministers.

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  65. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    “No, the person in question isn’t and never has been a constituent, regardless it’s against the rules.”

    @Alan

    I have been trying to find this out. Would you have a link or source please?

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  66. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    Chuck, it’s in David’s post:

    UPDATE2: The PM is speaking to the media about this. He has referred to Section 4.14 of the Cabinet Manual which states:

    Following a long-established principle, Ministers do not involve themselves in deciding whether a person should be prosecuted, or on what charge.

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  67. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    Thanks. I read that but Williamson could argue that he was wearing his MPs hat and not his Ministerial one if Lui was in his electorate.

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  68. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Silent T on the offensive:
    Maurice Williamson’s resignation as a minister shows yet again a decline in standards in the National government, Labour leader David Cunliffe says.

    “Any minister who interfered in police matters in a government I lead would be instantly gone,” Mr Cunliffe told reporters on Thursday.

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8838020/greens-demand-answers-over-resignation

    I would believe the former, but the socialist will not deliver on the latter promise.

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  69. gump (1,647 comments) says:

    @Chuck Bird

    Ministers are Ministers for the duration of their warrant.

    They don’t cease being Ministers at any time or for any purpose.

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  70. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Tinshed posted at 12.44:

    Mr Liu’s ethnicity has nothing to do with this issue which is clearly a Cabinet Minister involving himself inappropriately in a criminal matter. The case against Williamson’s actions is clear cut and unambiguous. So why drag Mr Liu’s ethnicity into this unless it is dog-whistle politics about “those greedy,corrupt Asians immigrants who are responsible for Auckland’s housing issues.”

    On the other hand, Tinshed, hasn’t there been controversy about Mr Liu’s obtaining immigration entry despite the views of the bureaucrats who administer this for most migrants?

    This row has a way to run.

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  71. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    I have just caught up with this (fishing with the boy takes precedence during the holidays)..Silly Maurice…one of the Nats’ most colourful figures…I am glad he is staying on as an MP…

    I will always remember the shit he got into for pointing out that there were no fat people in the Concentration Camps…Perfectly correct, but not PC in an age when every fat bastard has a “gland problem” rather than just eating and drinking too much…

    But look up the comments here..I don’t see one which says it would be OK for him to stay….Imagine the Pro/con comment rate on the Standard if the filthy socialists were in power, and a Minister had to resign…as someone pointed out, to this day Labour have never come out and concurred that Field was properly convicted of corruption…

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  72. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re Kingkong’s post at 12.33 suggesting Whale Oil is defending Maurice William-Sung. Whale says this on his blog:

    …Maurice Williamson is gone as a minister for simply doing what every MP int eh country has probably done hundreds of times…

    Is this true? If every MP is interfering with the police, NZ can kiss its arse goodbye to the bullshit ranking of being the world’s least corrupt country (or at least one of the three or four least corrupt).

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  73. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    This continues Key’s ruthlessness in beheading Ministers who cross the line in some way…Worth for reasons which are still unclear, but probably misleading the PM; Heatley for putting some wine on his Ministerial credit card; Nick Smith for writing an letter for a friend – who was also a constituent as I recall – on Ministerial letterhead; Wong for mixing hubbies business in China with her Ministerial duties there…

    What’s the list on the other side of the House? Field at the top of dungheap of course, 6 years in jail for corrupt practices, the first NZ Minister ever to have been so convicted; Dyson for drink driving a self drive car when she could have used a Ministerial one…Dalziell for falsifying a document (IIRC) and lying about it to the Beast…

    No doubt others with better memories than me will remember others on both sides…

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  74. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    DG – Hughes left in a cologne of shame..

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  75. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Ha Ha Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy! (His public sneering and mocking of Catholic beliefs still irks me..)
    Wonder if he will get an emotional rendition of ‘Pokarekare Ana’ when he leaves??
    Don’t let the door hit your sorry arse on the way out Maurice!

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  76. tvb (4,421 comments) says:

    Williamson should have spoken to his lawyer and if that was considered ineffective what was Williamson supposed to be doing as a Cabinet Minister. There is a fine line between making representations to the Police and perverting the course of Justice. Clearly a Minister making direct representations to the Police sails close to perverting the course of justice. Hence the requirement in the Cabinet manual. Would Williamson rather be facing a criminal charge of attempting to pervert the course of justice.

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  77. Chris2 (766 comments) says:

    Whether you are a National or Labour MP, or one of the others for that matter, there are too many instances of wealthy Chinese immigrants being able to gain access to our MP’s for their own personal advancement or enrichment in the way the average Kiwi does not enjoy when they want the help of their MP.

    In China, bribery and corruption are a way of life but it seems to me that our MP’s are too vain to realise when they are being cultivated by wealthy foreigners. We are well rid of any MP who acts inappropriately in this way, quite apart from it reflecting on their fitness to be in Parliament at all.

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  78. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Williamson should simply retire and not bother turning up. This is taking the attention away from the budget.

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  79. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    David G
    Didn’t Dover Samuels get the axe at some stage too?

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  80. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Worth adding that MW wasn’t a cabinet minister, JK wouldn’t have him there, he was a minister outside of cabinet.

    When he mentioned the money he was doomed, the clear implication is don’t screw with this guy, he’s pumping cash into the country. That is fatal to good governance. It pisses on the concept of one law for rich and poor.

    I’m staggered he thinks he can stay as an MP. He’s a lousy local MP anyway, never see him about the place, Jami Lee Ross and his wife are at everything in the area, MW is invisible.

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  81. Bob R (1,374 comments) says:

    ***The urgent VIP ceremony, believed to have taken place in Mr Williamson’s Parliamentary office, is another close link between the former Minister and millionaire property developer Donghua Liu, who has donated $22,000 to the National Party previously.***

    Seems NZ politicians are becoming increasingly prone to these sorts of bribes.

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  82. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Milky:Yes, I had forgotten about poor old Dover…While I have never had to piss in a pot plant I have had a few close run things when getting from the bar of a hotel to the room…My good friend Northland Wahine has told me that Dover is rather too fond of underage wahines which is why the Beast never rehabilitated him…unlike Dalziell and Dyson…(of course he has a penis and is heterosexual which wouldnt have helped either…)

    All of you criticising Maurice surprises me a bit…believe me, the Nat caucus is so bloody bland he was very much a breath of fresh air…the guy who, just sometimes, would call a spade a bloody shovel and say what he really thought…

    But like everyone else, I agree he had to go…I had forgetten that this particular Chinaman was the guy who had the “special ceremony” in Maurice’s office and was a big donor to the party…But Maurice is no fool…I am surprised he has acted so foolishly…

    Dime: Hughes was in opposition when he lured the young fellow back to his flat and….whatever he did there…

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  83. Reid (16,452 comments) says:

    I’m wondering if the Williamson thing isn’t a distraction meme to take the heat off O’Rourke given the fallout the latter would have on the NZF vote. Yes these are two separate scandals running separately but the timing is very cute indeed.

    Sure Williamson would have had to go, no question. But you see, distracting the media dogs onto him let’s Winston work with O’Rourke to engineer something that gets lost in the news cycle and minimises the effect on those in his constituency who don’t approve at all of such queer goings on.

    And then what does Winston owe and to whom, when the election’s over?

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  84. NoCash (258 comments) says:

    I wonder if it was Williamson’s hubris that got the better of his judgement, trying to show off to a wealthy businessman what he could do as a minister.

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  85. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    NoCash: I dont claim to have known Maurice at all well but your theory is more than somewhat likely…still strange though, from a guy with his experience…

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  86. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Reid
    It just has to be a conspiracy, doesn’t it? Very sharp of you to spot it.

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  87. deadrightkev (468 comments) says:

    It will be interesting to see what the Act and Conservative parties do about Pakuranga candidates. Maurice is toast and he has been around far too long so he should bow out gracefully.

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  88. Reid (16,452 comments) says:

    It just has to be a conspiracy, doesn’t it?

    Sometimes it’s just a bunch of stuff that happens mm.

    Always happy to go with that.

    But take the recent drug thing. Public disquiet shows up in polls, get intel on TBA Labour policy, Dunne announces revision on something he’s been firm on since day one pre-empting Labour’s announcement, today blames it on caucus uprising after a story comes out about the polling data to deflect.

    Planned or just a bunch of stuff that happened with a big dollop of coincidence? You chose, I don’t care. Understanding what isn’t said in the headlines is the reason we all bother to come here to discuss, isn’t it.

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  89. NK (1,244 comments) says:

    It will be interesting to see what the Act and Conservative parties do about Pakuranga candidates. Maurice is toast and he has been around far too long so he should bow out gracefully.

    There is no election advantage for Act to do anything in the seat. Act will win Epsom, and then it’s just party votes. Even two electorate seats is a bit pointless for small parties like Act, if they can win one and get plenty of party votes. It’s only useful if Act believe they won’t get more than 1.5% party vote, but they will get much more than that.

    The CONservatives of the other hand……now that could be interesting.

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  90. wiseowl (893 comments) says:

    Well NK that sounds like typical Act arrogance.Act will win Epsom.
    For the good of this country I hope they don’t. It’s what stinks about MMP.

    As much as we don’t need the United Party ,we don’t need Act.

    People of Pakuranga need to wake up.Don’t be manipulated by the political wallahs.

    Vote for someone with integrity,principles.

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  91. Chris2 (766 comments) says:

    Depressingly, it is shit like this that could cost National the election.

    Key needs to ensure Williamson does not stand again for Parliament.

    And he needs to threaten all his MP’s with a similar fate if they make a single mistake to bring the Government into disrepute.

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  92. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    The once-effective Williamson will now be no loss. Nobody should be indulged by the National Party to a point where they can occupy a safe seat for 27 years. The fact that he’s become increasingly irrelevant over the last 3 or 4 Parliamentary terms should come as no surprise to anyone.

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  93. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Pete George (21,867 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 11:05 am

    Williamson has resigned as a minister. The plus side of that is it might give a new Minister a bit of experience before the election.
    ================
    Nah that didn’t work. they recylced the last miscreant. :lol:

    …………………………………………………

    “”Guy is light weight, Kaye is light weight Adams shows some promise.””

    Still a lot better than that other fucking lot across the other side of the house !!
    ========================

    Marginally.
    …………………………………………………
    Ed Snack (1,547 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Viking, untreated timber was not a big factor in the whole leaky buildings fiasco. H1 treated timber performs almost the same as untreated when it gets damp as the treatment is water soluble.

    ====================
    Clearly you haven’t seen the results.
    Try wandering around this area for while. Then wait for the kiln timber to collapse even though it never got “wet” Its gunna happen..
    Its true that weather tightness is a factor but properly treated well grown pine was never an issue. Only where structural components are dry pine is the issue major. Houses have leaked forever and will always get wet or be subject to high humidity in walls. Dried timber doesn’t withstand the microbes. Boric treated does.
    ……………………………………

    wiseowl (585 comments) says:
    May 1st, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    Well NK that sounds like typical Act arrogance.Act will win Epsom.
    For the good of this country I hope they don’t. It’s what stinks about MMP.

    As much as we don’t need the United Party ,we don’t need Act.
    ========================
    Not so wise owl.
    If you don’t have ACT then you won’t be in govt. The Nats have never had enough votes under either system to govern alone and despite all the happy clapper vibes won’t this election either. And they don’t deserve it either. Neither do Labour.
    all that can be said is that the Nats. have sat on thier hands and in only minor ways have bothered business that has got on with what it does best. Earn Money.
    Had the Nats been less socialist we would be earning a shit load more and have less debt.
    But that’s not what you want to hear is it?

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  94. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Just another bent pollie sucking on the tax payer tit. Shoot them all the country would be so much better.

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  95. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    The people of Pakuranga aren’t going to vote for ACT or Colin Craig, regardless of where his dad used to teach.

    It’s just not that kind of place, the demographics are all wrong

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  96. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    Yes. Pakuranga people won’t suddenly shift to 2 relatively new parties, they possibly expect to see a different National candidate and are entitled to do so.

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  97. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    At least it’s correctly tempered here @ KB. Big ups KBers.

    At Whale Oil it’s “I can’t believe it”, “what a beat up” etc.

    Reeeeeeaaaaalllllllyyyyyyyyy?

    You are a person of influence, you ring the police and say “that guy you’ve got charges on – he’s got lots of money and is very important; you know; hint hint nudge nudge” and it’s a called a *Hearld beat up*!?

    Those people certainly inhabit a swung out world.

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  98. Nukuleka (325 comments) says:

    No doubt the rainbow coalition is standing staunchly behind their man in his time of trial. Ho Ho Ho!!! Couldn’t happen to a nicer chappie.

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  99. Gulag1917 (916 comments) says:

    One has to wonder how many other political immigration scams have happened.

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  100. orewa1 (410 comments) says:

    So according to the Herald today Maurice stayed at Liu’s holiday home. So much for yesterday’s protestations that the man was just another constituent, albeit an investor, and there was no personal connection.

    Maurice is a well-meaning guy and deserves to be cut a bit of slack. However, its clear he doesn’t get the difference between a backbencher intervening for a constituent, and a Minister doing the same. That’s why he had to go.

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  101. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    D4J!

    Welcome back. I note from your post that you are still the tolerant, peace loving man you always were.

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  102. deadrightkev (468 comments) says:

    “Well NK that sounds like typical Act arrogance. Act will win Epsom.
    For the good of this country I hope they don’t. It’s what stinks about MMP. ”

    I agree 100%. It is utter arrogance and a gross abuse of the party membership. Act survives at the behest of National, lock, stock and barrel. So much so that National can control them as they do now when it suits. Act has great policy and some really destructive disruptive incompetents in the key positions of party management and board.

    Everyone (except me) thought Richard Prebble would be a great addition to the campaign team. Unfortunately for him and Jamie Whyte they have no hard working supporters around them on a day to day basis, no strategic planners and no one who knows how to build a united winning party. I suspect Prebble is happy with one or two seats, a broader church does not seem to appeal which is a shame so they bleed members.

    As long as those same people are still around the party will die. Every election people with good intentions come and go only to find out when they are involved just how amateur and self interested the inner circle really is.

    Jamie Whyte is a person with great potential for Act but I suspect he too will end up spat out as a scapegoat if things keep going downhill.

    I support both Act and Conservative leaders so I hope they both get elected.

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  103. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    This is damned sad. Maurice is a high calibre, hardworking MP and an asset to his caucus. Unlike the parliamentary Labour Party and organisation, I hope that he survives this and one day returns to a future National Cabinet position- although, I suspect, probably not during the Key administration. And I’d certainly support him over the idiot Colin Craig anyday if I lived in that electorate. Outside Parliament, he certainly has some degree of support, whatever one’s party affiliation.

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  104. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    If Maurica is high calibre, then Silent T must be Napoleon.
    I do hope the old trougher Williamson does not survive the scandal. The stench of corruption is all over the place.

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  105. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,263 comments) says:

    “May 1st, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Re Kingkong’s post at 12.33 suggesting Whale Oil is defending Maurice William-Sung. Whale says this on his blog:

    …Maurice Williamson is gone as a minister for simply doing what every MP int eh country has probably done hundreds of times…

    Is this true? If every MP is interfering with the police, NZ can kiss its arse goodbye to the bullshit ranking of being the world’s least corrupt country (or at least one of the three or four least corrupt).”

    About 6 years ago I was forced to contact my local MP for help when the cops refused to act on my bona fide complaint. The MP wrote to the Area Commander asking a few questions and hey presto in no time at all the culprit was charged with intimidation.

    Was that MP’s letter in the same league as the Williamson phone call?

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  106. Tom Barker (143 comments) says:

    I am surprised and disappointed that there is not more sympathy for Mr Liu expressed on this blog. He used to have a tame minister in his pocket. He now only has a tame backbencher. Is this any way to treat one of our more outstanding (read “wealthy”) citizens?

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  107. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    Well, well.

    Corruption in the National Party.

    Who would have thunk it?

    No doubt the Nats will continue to throw vocal bricks at Labour.

    The old saying about stones and glasshouses means nothing to them.

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  108. Matthew Flannagan (76 comments) says:

    There was rainbow somewhere in new zealand the morning he did this. That meant he knew it was Ok and God approved, after all thats how you make serious moral decisions about what to do and its how you justify it after the fact. The Nats have celebrated such reasoning about moral questions in the past they should be rushing to his defense.

    And why is John Key being so bigoted, who is he to make moral judgements about what you can and can not do and impose them on people like Williamson.

    .

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  109. Scott (1,800 comments) says:

    You reap what you sow. Perhaps Maurice Williamson will reflect closely on his rainbow speech and his mockery. Maurice there is still time to repent!!!

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