Another possible $5 billion from taxpayers for Christchurch

June 13th, 2014 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

The Government’s contribution to the rebuild of was likely to end up as high as $20 billion, Prime Minister John Key says.

Key said the Government’s commitment to the reconstruction could increase by $5b, and that Christchurch people had turned a corner following the difficult times brought about from the 2010 and 2011 earthquakes.

”We’ve put about $15b of taxpayers money into the rebuild, but it will probably end up being the best part of $20b over time,” Key said.

Yet a small minority claim that isn’t enough. I’m not sure any OECD Government has ever spent more on a natural disaster, as a proportion of GDP.

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28 Responses to “Another possible $5 billion from taxpayers for Christchurch”

  1. JMS (331 comments) says:

    I know people in CHCH who are very grateful to the wider NZ taxpayer, and are really embarrassed by the whingers.

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  2. redqueen (567 comments) says:

    Ahh, but this is socialism, spending = caring. So if you want to spend more, you obviously care more.

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  3. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    While John Key and Bill English have achieved this without a single cent of tax increase, wait for the announcement from Greens about their 3% EQL (Earth Quake Levy) as well as Labour’s – “We will spend double” announcement soon……

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  4. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    What is the breakdown on the $20B that the government is spending?

    How much is EQC money? How much is deferred expenditure that is now classified as earthquake expenditure?

    And on the other side of the ledger, how much extra GST and other taxes does the government take because of the CHCH rebuild expenditure?

    It’s not a simple matter of the CHCH rebuild being a great black hole the rest of NZ is pouring money into.

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  5. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    I believe there are plenty of people in Christchurch that are not better off then before the earthquakes and this is why we need a Labour government !

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  6. david (2,557 comments) says:

    burt, that is a strange thing to say. It sounds like you expect the rest of New Zealand to not only compensate the people of Christchurch for their losses (including a bunch who had not bothered to protect themselves with insurance) but to make them better off. So far I haven’t heard many people from outside Christchurch complaining but if you take that approach, I suspect that attitudes would harden quite rapidly.

    Have you not heard of the first principle of insurance – that you do not expect to end up better off as a result of your loss and subsequent claim?

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  7. JMS (331 comments) says:

    david,

    I’m guessing burt’s being sarcastic.

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  8. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    david

    I fully get that, I was taking the piss. Listen to the apologists for the corrupt self serving Labour party and it seems they think the government should always be doing more… more… more…

    As for the uninsured – why oh why did they get paid out ? Sets a great precedent though !

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  9. flipper (4,083 comments) says:

    YesWeDid (1,021 comments) says:

    June 13th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    What is the breakdown

    *****
    I am not clear on what “yes we did” nonsense is all about :…but this fellow smells like a Peters clone.

    The answer on GST is simple – ALL government payments INCLUDE GST, and have done since the tax was intro’d by R Douglas. So… work it out.

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  10. flipper (4,083 comments) says:

    burt (7,470 comments) says:

    June 13th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    I believe there are plenty of people in Christchurch that are not better off then before the earthquakes and this is why we need a Labour government !

    *****
    If this is a serious exposition of your thought process burt, you seriously need help – like yesterday.

    Like several hundred thousand folk living outside ChCh, I have paid tax to help you recover…. and my insurance policy costs have sky rocketed by some $600 per annum.

    And you stand there like Oliver Twist.

    Get stuffed you greedy bastard.

    [EDIT - burt, now seen your taking the piss post. H A N D]
    BUT THE MESSAGE APPLIES TO ALL THE ChCh Labour-oriented WHINGERS.

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  11. tvb (4,430 comments) says:

    The money spent on Christchurch is probably at the outer limits of tolerance for the North Island taxpayer whom so many South Islanders sneer at. And along comes Campbell and finds a few wingers who want more help. There are people suffering real hardship and another hard winter. But there is still a lot of goodwill out there though to be fair us North Islanders do not think about ChCh that often.

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  12. Sponge (184 comments) says:

    JMS (255 comments) says:
    June 13th, 2014 at 3:04 pm
    I know people in CHCH who are very grateful to the wider NZ taxpayer, and are really embarrassed by the whingers.

    I am from Christchurch and I for one am very grateful for the help that has been given to this city.

    I am also embarrassed daily by the no hopers that get trotted on to Campbell Lies night after night bleating about their misfortune. I am sure there are a few genuine cases of undeserved hardship – but the vast majority are people who either expect everyone else to run their lives for them or people who make appalling choices and do not want to face the consequences of their choices.

    [Edit] By the way, how do you quote another post on this site?

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  13. JMS (331 comments) says:

    [Edit] By the way, how do you quote another post on this site?

    http://bloggingwithoutablog.com/adding-a-blockquote-to-your-post/

    Edit: You can also just paste the two blockquote bits in manually

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  14. Paulus (2,632 comments) says:

    I understand that from correspondence in the Press that there is a considerable amount of Betterment in these claims.
    People are using the insurance money to better (improve from before the EQ) their houses, so something is not right.
    It would appear that some people are doing well out of their insurance claims.
    And last year the quality and number of top European cars soared.

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  15. Inky_the_Red (760 comments) says:

    Are they claiming The EQC Insurance payout as part of the Government Payment?

    Edit Link added
    http://www.eqc.govt.nz/canterbury-earthquakes/progress-updates/scorecard

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  16. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Sponge

    Edit] By the way, how do you quote another post on this site?

    To quote like I just did, type the “blockquote” bits as shown before and after the text;

    <blockquote> [blah blah blah blah] </blockquote>

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  17. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Sponge

    Works for bold as well like this;

    Works for <b>bold</b> as well like this;

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  18. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Testing the bold initiatives of David Cunliffe. He is a winner folks!!

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  19. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    EQC, proving how well state run monopolies levied by compulsion actually works.

    On insurance costs, I was wondering if the ‘bailed out by the government’ insurance companies are paying that bail out back, or are they back to delivering profit to their shareholders again? AM I Insured ? I won’t really know till I’m in a line of a pile of people saying that.

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  20. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Sir Cullen

    Lets talk about Cunliffe’s sǝᴉʇᴉɹoᴉɹd and sǝᴉɔᴉlod ;-)

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  21. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    burt
    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Labour’s policies are too v̵̨͈̮͕͙͕̬̬̣̗̼͔͎̱̩͕͍͠ͅͅa͟҉̹̙͕̰̩̲͍͈͕̟̦̹̗̦͈̱͖̻ͅg̢̢̗̭̫̘̫̬̭̹͠u̶̱̝͚͍͚̘̦͓̘̕e̖͓̩̝̤͈̮͖̻̞͈̣̣̮͘ ̧̪͙̼̦͈̺͚̭̹̫̻̙̳̝̥͓̤͘̕͟ͅa͢҉͓̟̬̞̮͎̘̼̪͓͇̤̟͓̻͚͙̠n͙̗̤̦͇̤͎̲͇͈̬̩͉͘d̷͚͇̪͍̮̺̬̻̘̯̣͈́͟͜ ̵̡̛̤͍̺̤̙͎̣̻͚͔̬̲̤̳͖̜̹̥́͠c̘̖̮̖̺̻̻͎̭̝̰͍̠͜o҉̶̧͕͉͔̩̲͟n̸̘͙̞̖̱͓̭̦͡f͏͈͖̙͎̘͎̥̯̗ừ͓̭͚͇̻̰͇̞̳͟͜ͅͅs̠̘̺͖̝͕̲̝̀̕͜͜į̦͙͔̫͟͞n̸̴͖̲̮̫͉̯̯̤̭̙̘̝̺͕͉̦̭̻͇͡g̨͞͏̡̠͖̘̻̱̲͖͕̗̯̼̰̤̹͈̼̭

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  22. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    You buggers are just showing off now :D

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  23. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock

    The Upside down and backwards text was courtesy of;

    http://www.upsidedowntext.com

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  24. adze (2,126 comments) says:

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  25. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    Yet a small minority claim that isn’t enough. I’m not sure any OECD Government has ever spent more on a natural disaster, as a proportion of GDP.

    True although no other nation has had as large a proportion of it’s infrastructure broken.

    The more relevant point isn’t the amount of money not being spent but the fact that EQC (and insurers but that’s a step removed) are still shagging around. How is it acceptable that over three years on there are not only homes unfixed and unhealthy but there are homes that eqc have not even fully assessed. Campbell live could, and probably will, do stories every night for the last two months of the campaign about people in chch literally left out in the cold.

    I’m not convinced that it requires more money but how eqc can still be bloody useless this far down the track is beyond me.

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  26. lolitasbrother (702 comments) says:

    The cost of the Christchurch rebuild is $40 billion.
    You may have read in the newspaper about how well things are going.
    Commitment by our beloved Government =$20billion.
    Cost to Christchurch ratepayers therefor = $20 billion.
    150,000 ratepayers to $20 billion = $140,000 pay here.
    Go on prove me wrong.
    Antony Gough’s wife the other day here to see my Thai Wife
    She said he has had enough.
    he had poured all his love and energy in,
    and now she says she just wants to go to Thailand with us,
    These morons in Christchurch have wrecked his hopes and dreams.
    At one stage they found a piece of concrete [1935 ]under his land and wanted an archaeological survey
    And many of the other big punters soon the leave.
    Christchurch recovery is not .
    We still have Vicky Buck social housing.
    My own brother a wealthy professor medicine he leaves soon, with the other wealthy people we have had enough

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  27. lolitasbrother (702 comments) says:

    About Insurance . This is the way it works.
    Risky houses in New Zealkand will be refused insurance
    The rest throughout New Zealand will face 30% increases in premium now or shortly ,

    and more now while I am angry.

    Cunliffe said he would arrange repair of the Flockton base, in Christchurch.
    I saw the idiots clap him on TV.
    Yes thats right he himself will lift the earth and the also lift these old cold house about say 2 million a shot.
    Then the water will go to flood some other area of Christchurch.
    Cunliffe is surrounded by morons Greg Presland and Matt McCartney.
    They have absolutely no one there capable of analysis or simple cost analysis.

    What we must do in Christchurch is pay our brothers out in Flockton, maybe $350.000 each.
    Then we put in the drainage pond which can be pumped between floods. Between times, in the rain it collects water.
    God in heaven even in Thailand they know that.
    You need to collect the flood water and push it out when the dry comes.

    There is more . Cunliffe idiot said he would make a Kiwi Insurance against earthquake and floods.
    Yes thats right Presland and McCartney idiots, $40 billion dollars is $40,000 per tax payer.

    Surely this will be a landslide NZ Nat Government, i can not believe New Zealanders are so impoverished as to not see simple truths.

    Sweating jesus I live in Christchurch Central and will have to suffer an utter poof idiot like Tony Milne Labour take our territory.

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  28. Sponge (184 comments) says:

    To quote like I just did, type the “blockquote” bits as shown before and after the text;

    Thanks all

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