Dotcom wants citizenship so he can then become an MP

June 8th, 2014 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

The German internet mogul said he would definitely considering running for Parliament if he gained citizenship, ideally before the 2017 general election.

Maybe he could stand for Mana in Epsom?

An upbeat Dotcom dismissed speculation about a backroom deal involving the Labour Party pulling out of the Te Tai Tokerau race or fielding a purposely weak candidate in an Epsom tea party-type arrangement.

Such a deal would virtually guarantee a seat in Parliament for Dotcom’s new ally, Mana Party leader Hone Harawira.

“I had no chat with David Cunliffe,” Dotcom said, referring to the Labour Party leader. ” I don’t think Hone needs that. I think he’s going to win the seat easily.”

If that is the case, why are so many on the left almost hysterically demanding Labour concede the seat to Harawira? I suspect they know that Davis is a strong popular candidate, and Hone’s deal won’t have gone down well with many voters.

Outside the theatre, protester Dave Blackmore parked his car, a Lada rebranded “Lardarse” with the number plate “DOTCON”. He said legal reasons prevented him from going into detail about his gripe with Dotcom but he’d had “dealings with him” before and was displeased.

The number of former colleagues, friends and staff who have fallen out with Dotcom is massive. It’s almost as if there is a trend, or underlying issue!

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47 Responses to “Dotcom wants citizenship so he can then become an MP”

  1. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    The biggest immediate problem with “Dotcom wants citizenship so he can then become an MP” is it sees Dotcom as the centre of attention in their candidate selection process. The Internet Party said he would not be prominent in the party. That appears to have been a futile wish from the party organisation.

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  2. Neil (588 comments) says:

    It’s about time DPF for you to realize that the Dotcom-Mana circus has no impact outside the minds of a few political theorists.People in the provinces can’t stand Dotcom,dislike Harawira and Minto and just want to get to the voting booth.
    Why protect a fugitive from US justice ? I can see some strange happenings from the German s… and that idiot Harawira in the lead up to the election.

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  3. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    Well Zaoui got to stay here, this being New Zealand, DotCon will most likely get citizenship.

    New Zealand – welcoming criminals and treating our own horde with love and respect since the 1980s

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  4. tvb (4,430 comments) says:

    Let these disgruntled people provide a welcome distraction including John Banks. There is plenty of baggage around Dotcom and Harre who has taken his money will find it difficult to avoid.

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  5. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    The citizenship application form requires you to report every speeding ticket you’ve ever had in NZ. Dotcom is delusional if he thinks he’d be granted citizenship at this point.

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  6. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

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  7. Captain Pugwash (98 comments) says:

    DPF, are you suggesting only people whose politics you agree with should 1) Obtain NZ citizenship & 2) Get elected to Parliament?

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  8. G152 (349 comments) says:

    Well Dean Papa so far the only political party in NZ who hasn’t visited the dotcon mansion is National.
    Maybe you meant to type ‘the opposition’ want dotcon.
    But then so do the US and your obese buddy must be starting to sweat now

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  9. Nookin (3,354 comments) says:

    Dean Papa

    There are one or two corrections that really do need to be made to your diatribe:

    1. The FBI makes out a very good case that this is not his money but is money that he has stolen from other people.
    2. The decision to grant residency was not made by a politician but by an immigration official. Key had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
    3. There are still people in this country who wince at activists and politicians who sell their principles down the drain for the sole purposes of collecting money, in this case from somebody whose worldview contradicts their own on almost every point other than their hatred for the present government, and at that somebody who is prepared to invest obscene amounts of money ostensibly support of a totally fictitious political philosophy but in reality for the sole purposes of avoiding justice elsewhere. You clearly are not one of those people.

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  10. Nookin (3,354 comments) says:

    “DPF, are you suggesting only people whose politics you agree with should 1) Obtain NZ citizenship & 2) Get elected to Parliament?”

    Is this a comment from somebody who, off-camera, has been screaming for the resignation of John Banks? I wonder.

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  11. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    G152 – “Well Dean Papa so far the only political party in NZ who hasn’t visited the dotcon mansion is National.”

    I’m not aware of any representatives of ACT, United Future Conservatives or the Maori Party visiting Dotcom. Dunne has explicitly ruled it out.

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  12. Sporteone (43 comments) says:

    DotCom is a master manipulator and will continue to be one as long as we have people like Honi, Cunliffe and others, whose support can be bought with a cheque book. There is only one reason DotCom is in this and that is to stop his extridition if they can get enough votes to sway other parties and Oh I forgot, his ego.

    This man is making a mockery of the NZ political system and there are people out there who will be sucked in, hook line and sinker. You only have to listen to talk back to see how people think. Anything for free and they will give their vote willingly. One young caller said she would vote for IP/Mana because they promised free internet. She knew nothing else about what the other parties were conducting their campaigning on because she was only interested in free internet. Heaven help us if that is how some young people think.

    DotCom should never be allowed citizenship because he failed to declare is past convictions when he entered the country. He has committed, dare I say it, ‘A Fraud’. Surprising, a bit like John Banks. This man should be kicked out of the country, but Oh, where would he got. The Yanks would grab him and lock him up, then who would he call to get one of his special mattresses for hi bad back. Banksy won’t be around, but Yes Honi will be.

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  13. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

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  14. Captain Pugwash (98 comments) says:

    @Nookin
    John Banks has now been found guilty & should resign (if the judge had convicted him instead of deferring it, banks would have had no choice in the matter). Once eligible anyone can stand for elected office, even if I (or anyone else) consider them to be un-fit because, I do not agree with their politics.

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  15. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Ah, there it is, the target demographic for the GIMP party, Dean Papa.

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  16. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Dean Papa – “I couldn’t help but notice Sir Johnny Key referring to Dotcom as a convicted fraudster. Funny then that he still let him into the country. ”

    I’m not aware that Key had anything to do with “letting him into the country”. To the contrary, Key keeps claiming that he didn’t know of Dotcom until the day before the raid, and there is no publicly known evidence to the contrary.

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  17. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Hey guys let’s look on the bright side. Once Dotcom, having disbanded his personal security squad clearly anticipating a DPS team courtesy of the tax payers, has paid his protection money to his puppet sell out politicians things will change in NZ.

    Before long every filthy rich criminal on the planet will be turning up here with containers of cash wanting to party and be prime minister for fun. NZ is going to be a global hub for party time with big boys toys, hot young babes, drugs, music, light shows and fireworks.

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  18. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Oh, and free education. save the whales !

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  19. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Yet again, all the media attention for the opposition is diverted to covering the Dotcom circus. I don’t know if Cunliffe will be pissed that he has trouble getting any press coverage. Or whether press coverage reduces Labour’s poll figures, in which case he’ll be glad that he is essentially anonymous these days.

    Regardless, I suspect that later in the year Labour will want to conduct an analysis of their election loss, and one of the things they will realise is that the election could have been about party leaders, the state of the country, and competing policies. But instead it was dominated by a non-citizen convicted-criminal using politics to try and avoid extradition. They’ll wonder why MPs who should have been part of a left wing coalition were actually doing their best to facilitate the Dotcom circus, including Curran, Norman, and Peters.

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  20. Paulus (2,632 comments) says:

    duggledog

    Zaoui – I understand that he brought in 18 relatives to New Zealand.
    I have tried to get this confirmed but nobody has bothered to answer.

    Imagine the Finnish/German Crook getting Citizenship – how many other Crooks could he bring in ?

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  21. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    davidp

    The left has always operated on the basis of the ends justify the means. They aren’t killing dissenters or rounding up shooting rich pricks yet, but I’m sure it’s only a short time before anyone who previously voted National will be required to wear a yellow star.

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  22. Paulus (2,632 comments) says:

    Pete George

    Please be kind enough to tell us who was the Minister of Immigration and what Political Government we had at the time DotCrim was granted entry.

    Wouldn’t be Damian O’Connor in a Labour Government would it, or am I wrong ?

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  23. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Paulus

    And which government passed legislation requiring Vodafone to enable wire taps on GSM networks !

    But it’s all nasty John Key – right ?

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  24. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Paulus – Dotcom was granted residency in 2010.

    “The Government has confirmed no minister was involved in the decision”
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Political-questions-raised-over-Dotcoms-residency/tabid/423/articleID/240160/Default.aspx#ixzz3402c7svk

    Key claims to have not heard of Dotcom then (not until 2012).

    Dotcom claims the granting of his residency is a part of a conspiracy between key and the US but has not provided any evidence.

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  25. wiseowl (899 comments) says:

    Last week a Canadian couple who have been here four years ,set up a small business bought a home , were told to leave.

    Immigration policy needs to be debated strongly and the idea of super rich being allowed in needs to be revisited.

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  26. peterwn (3,275 comments) says:

    wiseowl – It seems only a 100 or so ‘rich’ people a year gain residency via the investor category which is about 0.2% of the total and only a handful over the years would be troublemakers. If the Canadian couple you referred to came to NZ on a temporary permit, they cannot complain if the Government turns down a residency application and they have to leave.

    IMO, immigration law should be amended to:
    1. Threshold for cancelling residency be lowered.
    2. No refugee status for those with forged documents or who flush passports down the gurgler.
    3. Granting of citizenship be completely discretionary.
    4. Ability to cancel citizenship (except citizenship by birth in NZ).
    5. Only citizens allowed to vote in elections (except non-citizen ratepayers).

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  27. anticorruptionnz (215 comments) says:

    Our no 1 statute http://www.nzlii.org/nz/legis/consol_act/sowtf1275387/ states

    For the maintaining of Peace and Justice
    First the King willeth and commandeth, that the peace of Holy
    Church and of the land, be well kept and maintained in all
    points, and that common right be done to all, as well poor as
    rich, without respect of persons.

    It appears that this is the first statute which is not enforced and it goes downhill from there.

    Money talks it buys you citizenship, it allows you to get fraud charges dropped ( https://www.fyi.org.nz/request/details_of_the_offer_made_by_ter#incoming-3859)

    it allows you to employ a lawyer which ordinary persons fighting to keep their child cannot afford http://justnz.wordpress.com/self-represented-being-a-lay-litigant/

    with the average kiwi being screwed more than ever we need to bring in serious funds from overseas as the locals have been bled dry. Those wishing to get into the country dont “bribe” their way in because the way we extract money from them is done through an indirect manner like getting them to put on firework displays, contributing to a secret trust or retirement fund etc

    we are very good a sleight of hand and pretending that we are not corrupt , its all smoke screens and mirrors .

    We are not all equal those with money can get away with crime.. as would Banks have if it wasn’t for Graeme Mc Cready .

    time we had an independent commission agaisnt corruption and the UN convention against corruption ratified.

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  28. OneTrack (3,114 comments) says:

    Pete – “Key claims to have not heard of Dotcom then (not until 2012).”

    That can’t be true. If it was Helen, she would have been handling every residency application personally. Can’t trust those public servants to do their job without interference from the government, can we? Not under a Labour left-wing government obviously.

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  29. lifesgood (15 comments) says:

    Is Dean Papa for real? Surely not, I can’t believe anyone could be that stupid

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  30. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    In falling for Krim Dotcom, the gullibility and hypocrisy of the left defies imagination.
    Our self appointed left wing anti corruption watchdogs, become cheer leaders for a convicted fraudster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom
    John Minto snuggles up to a racist. http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/10036828/Racist-day-fun-with-Kim-Dotcom
    Laila Harre – that “fearless” defender of the rights of women – accepts the filthy lucre of a man that made much of his fortune in the trafficking of degrading images of women.
    All our greying perennial Marxists are falling over themselves to do obeisance at the feet of a rich foreign mega wealthy conman, who can’t even pay his staff the minimum wage.
    A modern day fairy tale without the fairies. So unbelievably ridiculous that Richard Dawkins would have a heart attack.

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  31. G152 (349 comments) says:

    peterwn
    I’m not aware of any representatives of ACT, United Future Conservatives or the Maori Party visiting Dotcom.
    Dunne has explicitly ruled it out.

    And which of those parties is currently in the Opposition rank and file ?
    As far as I’m aware they are currently components of the National Government

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  32. goldnkiwi (1,312 comments) says:

    Who would have to confer citizenship? God forbid, I shall google the process that precedes the local politician holding a citizenship ceremony.

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  33. goldnkiwi (1,312 comments) says:

    Dept. of Internal Affairs.

    Terrorism
    If you have ever been involved in an activity that may have contributed to terrorism you may not meet the good character requirement. ‘Terrorism’ includes the use or threat of action intended to create fear, and is carried out for an ideological, political and/or religious goal and deliberately targets or disregards the safety of civilians.

    I am not sure about anyone else but I feel less safe!!!!

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  34. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Requirements for a Grant of New Zealand Citizenship

    You may be eligible for a grant of New Zealand citizenship if you:
    intend, if granted citizenship, to continue to reside in New Zealand;
    – are able to understand and speak English;
    – are of good character;
    – understand the responsibilities and privileges of New Zealand citizenship;
    – have New Zealand residence; and
    – were physically present in New Zealand, and have had your New Zealand residence for the last five years before applying for citizenship.

    Good Character
    You need to be of good character.

    How is the requirement assessed?
    To determine whether you are of good character the Minister will consider the answers you have given in your application. We will also complete background checks with the New Zealand Police and other agencies. Things that are taken into account include:
    – criminal convictions;
    – infringements;
    – having an active protection order against you;
    – any other information received from other agencies.

    Pending charges
    If you have committed any offence against the law of New Zealand or another country for which you have not yet been sentenced in court you may not meet the good character requirement.

    Terrorism
    If you have ever been involved in an activity that may have contributed to terrorism you may not meet the good character requirement. ‘Terrorism’ includes the use or threat of action intended to create fear, and is carried out for an ideological, political and/or religious goal and deliberately targets or disregards the safety of civilians.

    Overseas police clearance
    You may be asked to provide a police clearance from overseas if you have spent a long time outside New Zealand in the past twelve years. Generally, clearances may be requested if you have been settled in a place outside New Zealand for:
    – four or more months during the previous three years; or
    – twelve or more months during the previous four to twelve year period (with New Zealand residency); or
    – four months or more during the processing of your citizenship application; or
    – four months or more after approval and before attending a ceremony.

    However, overseas police clearances may still be requested from you even if your situation does not meet the general guidelines above. This will be assessed on a case by case basis.

    Please Note: The Clean Slate scheme only applies to convictions in New Zealand. Any conviction you may have received outside New Zealand must be disclosed.

    http://www.dia.govt.nz/Services-Citizenship-General-Requirements-for-a-Grant-of-New-Zealand-Citizenship?OpenDocument#three

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  35. IC5000 (114 comments) says:

    “Dean Papa (628 comments) says:
    June 8th, 2014 at 10:39 am
    I couldn’t help but notice Sir Johnny Key referring to Dotcom as a convicted fraudster. Funny then that he still let him into the country. Oh, that’s right. MONEY TALKS. And why didn’t anyone at immigration bother to check the Dotcom wikipedia article then? Would have saved a lot of trouble. Oh, that’s right, they already knew he was a convicted fraudster, but they still let him in! MONEY really does TALK, it’s TRUE!! MONEY MONEY MONEY let us have some of your PRECIOUS MONEY Dotcom … CITIZENSHIP FOR SALE!!”

    Still, NZer’s are getting more entertainment value out of an obese German cybercrim than a wife-beating millionaire chinese property developer so its got to be worth something. Neither party comes out with clean hands in this one.

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  36. goldnkiwi (1,312 comments) says:

    You have to pay to not be one too apparently lol also from the Internal Affairs page.

    Denial of New Zealand Citizenship
    A ‘Denial of New Zealand Citizenship’ is an official document from the New Zealand Citizenship Office advising that the named person is not a New Zealand citizen.

    To apply for a ‘Denial of New Zealand Citizenship’ the application form must be completed and sent to the Citizenship Office with the fee and a photocopy of the bio-data page of the passport (if available).

    The processing time for a ‘Denial of New Zealand Citizenship’ is 15 working days from receipt of a correctly completed application.

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  37. goldnkiwi (1,312 comments) says:

    Residency only, not John Keys’ watch. Thank goodness or whatever that we still have time to correct some things. Has anyone else noticed that Cookie Time cookies coined the phrase Good times? Well it features in their advertising at any rate.

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  38. mara (788 comments) says:

    The thought that the fat criminal COULD actually become an MP in NZ causes me to lose the will to live. For god’s sake… utter lunacy.

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  39. Longknives (4,764 comments) says:

    Dead Earnest hit the nail right on the head at 3:59pm.
    The absolute hypocrisy of the Left in ‘Aotearoa’ is fucking staggering….

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  40. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Would it help if we got up a big petition – to the US Government? Two hundred thousand NZers signing a petition to the US Government asking that it send a team of Seals to snatch Herr DotCom and take him away for trial.

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  41. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,429 comments) says:
    June 8th, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    Would it help if we got up a big petition – to the US Government? Two hundred thousand NZers signing a petition to the US Government asking that it send a team of Seals to snatch Herr DotCom and take him away for trial.
    ===========================
    You would do that despite the fact the he has broken no Law in NZ. Which is part of the test for resisting the FBI attempt to have him extradited.

    He has harmed no one in NZ.
    So you would be happy doing what you are accusing DC of. Namely breaking our Law,

    HMMM Says a lot. No wonder you socialists always think poorly.

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  42. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Hey Viking, Is paying less than the mimimum wage not against the law?
    Krim Dotcom believes he is above he law.
    Banks has done the honourable thing.
    The time has come fo the left to reciprocate.
    We wait with bated breath for the principles of Sue Bradford to be reflected in the actions of Hone, Minto, Harre, and Sykes.
    No doubt they are about to show the same contrition as Banksie and confess their failure in being seduced by the dirty dollars of Krim Dotcom and resign immediately from their association with a “white” mega wealthy foreigner displaying all the symptoms of Neo Facism.

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  43. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    “more to come” – Winston Peters….

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  44. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Dead Earnest (8 comments) says:
    June 8th, 2014 at 7:09 pm

    Hey Viking, Is paying less than the mimimum wage not against the law?
    =======================
    Done every day of the week.
    There are remedies for it so go complain.
    None of your business anyway.

    What principles in particular did Bradford espouse.
    She just couldn’t stand the competition with Harre.

    Last I looked (well before you became King), this was still a free country (just), and people could donate their money to whomever they chose. No doubt you will donate a large sum to your favourite National Party. Oh you haven’t got any to give. Well why would I be surprised.

    It gets me how people like you would one day pour vitriol upon Bradford and the next start esposing her virtues and principles.
    She is just kind another kind of communist just like the rest and like religious nuts they all fight for being the ruling class.

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  45. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Yes Viking, everyday “dispicable capitalists” underpay workers. We just don’t expect them to become patrons and paymasters to neo-marxist political movements!

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  46. Mark Craig (31 comments) says:

    I would like to ask many of you fatuous fuckwit right wingers a few questions .How much did this raid on Dot coms house cost?.
    How much has it cost since then? Why is the GSSB and the police at all involved in what prima facie appears to be a civil matter ?.What is the difference between what Dot Com did and what you tube and others do.?When all this stuff is tidied up will the PM and the Nazional party reimburse the poor long sufferring taxpayer for the expense of toadying up to US corporate interests ?.Keep your answers long and unsuccinct.C’mon team ,batter up.I can hardly wait ,however I doubt really any or you know or care.Dot com is not my type however a right wing government perpetrating this sort of shit reminds me of Franz Kafkas book the Trial and Orwells 1984 and all the nghtmarish stuff like that.You huff and puff and bluff about him,you should be ashamed at this tawdry episode ,it is a blot on our reputation for upholding the rule of law and the rights of the individual.
    ps 70 cops ,try getting one to your place after you have ben burgled by some poor bastard who cannot quite cut it in suppository Keys brighter future .

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  47. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    Just one MP, with that bulk? :)

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