Dunedin Mayor should have paid for them himself

June 30th, 2014 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

The ODT reports:

Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull says he has ”no regrets” about stepping in to buy leg irons destined for auction, despite new evidence they were used to hold camels, not Maori prisoners as had been believed.

However, the conclusion by Toitu Otago Settlers Museum staff has prompted Mr Cull to call on the seller – Dunedin man Steve McCormack – to ”examine his moral position”.

The council spent $3900 on the shackles in March, preventing them being sold on the open market, and Mr McCormack should now consider refunding ratepayers’ money, Mr Cull said.

On the contrary, Mr Cull should refund the ratepayers. He is the one who purchased a pair of camel shackles. And he isn’t even sorry for it.

The comments came after plans to sell the leg irons at Hayward’s Auction House were revealed in March, prompting concerns an important piece of history could be lost.

Maybe one should leave bidding for historic items to trained historians and curators, not Mayors.

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63 Responses to “Dunedin Mayor should have paid for them himself”

  1. Longknives (4,737 comments) says:

    You are being a little hard on the Mayor here David.
    You just never know when you might need a pair of Camel Shackles in Dunedin…

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  2. Manolo (13,735 comments) says:

    Another do-gooder with a guilt complex.

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  3. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    Agree 100% DPF…this idiot (the Mayor) has egg all over his face…I have a degree in New Zealand history (among other things)…I have read widely on New Zealand’s early history, both pre and post European contact..I have read contemporary sources – the educated remittance men who became sealers and whalers – I have read more modern sources both reliable (Sir Keith Sinclair; Dr Paul Moon) and more fanciful revisionists (James Belich, Michael King)

    In NONE of those sources have I ever read about specifically Maori prisoners being put in leg irons…there may well have been prisoners put in leg irons back in the day, when prisoners wore striped uniforms and broke rocks rather than build their bodies in a gym…but that would have been something all prisoners endured, regardless of their race.

    If this clown knows so little about NZ’s history that he fell for the seller’s patter about what these things had been used for, he certainly can’t be trusted with the ratepayers money…

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  4. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    Offer them to Len Brown, he might have a use for such things and perhaps if they come with 10 nights free at Sky City he’ll spend millions of ratepayers money to get hold of them.

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  5. George Patton (349 comments) says:

    A better mark for scammers can’t be found….

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  6. Longknives (4,737 comments) says:

    “In NONE of those sources have I ever read about specifically Maori prisoners being put in leg irons…”

    But surely during the “Holocaust”…

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  7. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    “Knives: Of course! How grossly insensitive of me! 2000 odd deaths (I think that’s the most generous estimate of Maori casualties from the land wars) against 6 million men women and children exterminated with cold industrial efficiency…entirely comparable. (and that’s just the Jews… there were many more victims of the you-know-who’s…)

    Burt: Is Len into bondage? I’m not sure Bevan mentioned that…probably not; it would take a fair while longer than he apparently devotes to sexual connection to get them all locked up…

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  8. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    So something to keep Ahmeds Camel where he wants it, wont be much use to, ‘do ewe know who I am’, ex do it yourself TV star, Cully.

    A sheep crush would be a lot less on Trademe.

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  9. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Last week it was missing council cars.
    Police are investigating and are said to be looking for Indiana Jones in a white Corrolla.

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  10. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    I understand the little grump with the Napoleon complex only just outbid DJ Steve in the auction.

    Perhaps he can sell them to him?

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  11. lilman (957 comments) says:

    Seriously Maori Guilt trips are absolutely pathetic,what a wally.

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  12. Tarquin North (295 comments) says:

    Local government seems to be a magnet for stupid people with some kind of obsesive pomposity disorder, And dynamic Dave is leading the downhill charge.

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  13. lazza (381 comments) says:

    Don’t tempt moi? Wot Camels and shady Camel traders, DCC, ratepayers money … following the Council car fiasco. Geez if proof be needed of this Council’s dysfunction then … “viola”.

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  14. Fox (206 comments) says:

    ”…….examine his moral position”.

    You first, Mr Cull.

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  15. RRM (9,915 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t it be easier to just establish rates rebates and tax rebates for Being Maori?

    Then everyone can assuage their trendy liberal guilt towards the master race at the same time…

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  16. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    David Garrett

    Burt: Is Len into bondage?

    I have no idea, I was more referring to using ratepayers money foolishly – and of course that if Len gets free rooms from Sky City then he might be more inclined to … spend other peoples money on things.

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  17. pejhay (29 comments) says:

    Clap him in irons…

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  18. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Does the Mayor have a budget to give to Nigerians?

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  19. OneTrack (3,088 comments) says:

    Is this all part of the master plan to replace all the cars the council “lost” with camels?

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  20. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Did this mayor get training from Bob Each Way Parker ? If he did, then it won’t be long before his council is broke just like the CCC.

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  21. lazza (381 comments) says:

    “Police are investigating and are said to be looking for Indiana Jones in a white Corrolla”.

    “Police report public sightings in “a street off the Octogan” of a swarthy arabian-looking? gentleman decked out in both mayoral and camel chains being progressively tarred and feathered and enema-inducedwith shredded-composted copies of his Council’s current 10 year financial plan”.

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  22. Bad__Cat (140 comments) says:

    Better keep an eye on the mayor. Next thing he’ll buy some camels to replace the missing cars. And use his DCC credit card.

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  23. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    I’ve got a pair of William Lanarch’s favourite socks that I’m thinking of putting on TradeMe.

    Has anyone got Dave Cull’s mobile number?

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  24. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    Crikey, this is rare…if this thread provides any evidence it seems there is no defence for the idiot Mr Cull anywhere on the political spectrum…I just heard the fool on Nat Rad…the usually excellent Jane Patterson DIDNT ask him “What evidence – other than the seller’s claims – led you to believe these leg irons were used on Maori prisoners from Taranaki?” and then followed up by

    “What evidence have you seen that ANY prisoners were put in leg irons in the 19th century?” (I imagine it may well have happened; we have all seen the drawings of prisoners with arrows or stripes all over their clothing, and shackled to a ball and chain…don’t know if that ever happened here…clearly neither does Mr Cull)

    Perhaps an Otago version of Penny should head down there and start a rates revolt group??

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  25. Fox (206 comments) says:

    Is this all part of the master plan to replace all the cars the council “lost” with camels?

    lol

    If the DCC can’t even do something as simple as keep track of registered automobiles, just imagine how quickly they’d lose those camels, even with the leg irons….

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  26. kowtow (8,428 comments) says:

    He’s just been on National Radio,

    “No regrets ,done for the sensitivities of Taranaki maori”

    Sorry mate. Not your job to be and certainly not with my money!

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  27. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    kowtow: didn’t he sound like a first class dick? Who appointed him cultural sensitivity officer for an iwi based about 900 miles away on another island?

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  28. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    They aren’t camel hobbles so he probably did the right thing.

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  29. EAD (1,069 comments) says:

    “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

    George Orwell, 1984

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  30. duggledog (1,554 comments) says:

    Un-f***ing believable. The Mayor with eyes like piss holes in the snow and a debt rivalling Auckland’s per capita should be put into those shackles and paraded through the streets of Dunedin for this. Parts of that city are dirt, dirt poor. Paradoxically the poor vote for clowns like him.

    Where’s NZ’s gumption? The French, for all their socialist foolishness would at least march on City Hall and physically have him out on his ear.

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  31. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    Jackass: do enlighten us…the latest I heard was that they were camel hobbles…what is your source to the contrary…The Stranded??

    And do tell us why the Mayor of Dunedin should be using his ratepayers money to buy some artefact – lets be charitable and assume it is genuine – which has some relevance for an iwi 900 miles away in Taranaki? Or is the use to which public money is put irrelevant to you??

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  32. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    What did those maoris do anyway, pull a few survey pegs? Kimble Bent knew who the real bastards were back then.

    “The Mayor with eyes like piss holes in the snow and a debt rivalling Auckland’s per capita should be put into those shackles”

    Even the raving duggle knows they aren’t camel hobbles.

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  33. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    Jackass: You have the floor…tell us how you know with such smug leftie certainty…no-one else seems so sure…not even the hapless Mr Cull…

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  34. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=9R1Qhq5YeolwSM&tbnid=4FZRxn-H0EEfVM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.antiquesreporter.com.au%2Findex.cfm%2Flot%2F504627-convict-leg-irons-and-key%2F&ei=KgmxU7q2N4vHkAXZnYCAAw&psig=AFQjCNFZgwVZD2d-nYyqL1kD0Em70a0jcA&ust=1404197516553417

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  35. duggledog (1,554 comments) says:

    The reason Dave Cull bought the shackles was

    A: He is gullible
    B: The ultimate left wing bureaucrat (spends OPMs without thought) but most importantly
    C: He’s scared of offending Maoris, or rather scared of Maoris full stop.

    Maoris have gone a loooooong way on white guilt. They were always regarded as smart opportunists. So many people these days are scared of them, and deep down I think people like Jackinabox who have probably never had any contact with actual Maoris are actually racist. They think Maoris are different and special. They’re not really.

    Behaviour like Cull’s just perpetuates the myth Maori are special and sacred and like royalty, then when they find out they get parking tickets like everyone else they get angry and that’s not good.

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  36. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    And some camel hobbles. Note the padding.
    http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=C2Qen5EX0RRU-M&tbnid=koAiRKlCGqECJM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportingcollection.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fp%3D439&ei=oQqxU4_dFYGekwWty4GIAg&psig=AFQjCNExxku6MWwsj7wRByxhV3Aja6Hvvw&ust=1404197889836874

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  37. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    “No regrets ,done for the sensitivities of Taranaki maori”

    Those wouldn’t be the Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama from the Taranaki region?
    The ones who hijacked the brig Lord Rodney, invaded the Chatham Islands and proceeded to, as one of them explained, “take possession in accordance with our customs and we caught all the people, not one escaped.”
    The ones that ritually killed some 10% of the population, a ritual that included staking out women and children on the beach and leaving them to die in great pain over several days?
    The ones that forbade the speaking of the Moriori language andforced Moriori to desecrate their sacred sites by urinating and defecating on them.
    The ones that took all survivors as slaves?

    Lets be sensitive……

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  38. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    Why do the All Blacks chant a war song composed by New Zealand’s worst known mass murderer before kick-off?

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  39. timmydevo (52 comments) says:

    It’s not every day you see an old pair of shackles belonging to the now defunct Otago Camel Traders Co. Worth every dime.

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  40. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    Oh jackass…I almost feel sorry for you…Did you notice that your prolix web address directs one to an AUSTRALIAN site? You do realise that while Australia’s chief reason for existence – at least at first – was as a penal colony, no convicts were ever sent here? You do know that, right?

    Lemme guess..You are one of the gullible fools who thinks Gareth Hughes was right when he said “we” took sovereignty from the noble Maori “at the point of a gun” in 1840?

    Other Andy: Go to the naughty corner immediately!! Don’t you know that is the colonialist honkey version of 19th century Maaari history??

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  41. m@tt (629 comments) says:

    Maybe it could be left it to the people of Dunedin to decide what the council of Dunedin does with Dunedin’s ratepayer funds? I don’t live there so quite frankly it is no more of my business than it is yours.

    What does concern me is DOC spending almost twice that on a photo op and at least $100K on worthless trips for staff.

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  42. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    The mayor had planned to “disappear” the shackles. Now they should be put prominently on display, as a warning to future suckers who have the power to waste ratepayers money.

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  43. pejhay (29 comments) says:

    Admidst all this brouhaha, has anyone questioned the qualifications of the person who has called them “Camel Irons”, what is the likelihood that we should have a pair of camel irons in NZ over a pair of “Convict Irons”, which they were claimed to be ? Could it not all be an innocent mistake by all – why do we need the Witch Hunt ?

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  44. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    It’s not an innocent mistake or a witch hunt. Even if they were prisoner leg irons the mayor had no right to spend ratepayers money to try and avoid someone supposedly being offended.

    The fact that it’s probably got nothing to do with Maori or prisoners just changes it from misuse of public funds to farcical misuse of public funds. That offends me as a ratepayer.

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  45. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “has anyone questioned the qualifications of the person who has called them “Camel Irons”,”

    The guy is clearly a shit stirring drongo.

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  46. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    I would have thought that with Mayor Culls disdain for oil he wouldn’t want to have anything to do with camels and their like

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  47. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    The NZ Police owns thousands of pairs of handcuffs, and most of these will have restrained a Maori at some stage. Is Dunedin CC offering to purchase these when they are all worn out? At $3.5k a pop, this could bankrupt Dunedin.

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  48. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    I’ve just checked used handcuffs on EBay, by the way. Antique ones run from $20 up $300 or so. $3,900 sounds like a gullible man has completely lost control in his excitement to purchase the things.

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/Handcuffs-Keys-/39665/i.html

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  49. pejhay (29 comments) says:

    Sorry PG, ddin’t realise you were a Dunedin ratepayer, I’m offended by the farcical spending by GWRC on our trolley buses, but no one listens to me either…

    I agree the Mayor should not have stepped in, and that is inappropriate, but is the camel assessment, just shit stirring to attack him ?

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  50. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    It was the museum;s research that suggested they may be camel hobbles.

    Toitu’s follow-up report concluded the Portobello Rd cave was used throughout the 19th century as a powder magazine, storing explosives, and would not ”under any circumstances” have housed people.

    The cave was later used as storage space leased to boat clubs throughout the 20th century, the report said.

    ”Simply put, his account is not credible,” the report concluded.

    Instead, the leg irons were believed to be of Middle Eastern origin, most likely forged in the early 20th century, and were suspected to be camel hobbles.

    They could have been brought back to Dunedin by soldiers returning from World War 1, the report suggested.

    ”They would fit very well for a camel, or likewise to a Clydesdale-sized horse’s leg,” it said.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/307596/no-regrets-over-buying-leg-irons-cull

    The council have outed their own foolishness.

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  51. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “but is the camel assessment, just shit stirring to attack him ?”

    Shit stirring, mud slinging, wankers wanking, take your pick.

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  52. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    Someone take the cheque book off Dave quick. lol

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/Handcuffs-Keys-/39665/i.html

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  53. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    Ah, PG…such a sensible comment here…such a stupid one on other threads…(speculation as to the citizenship of the would-be diplomatic rapist…was it you going on about “stereotypes” or one of the others?)

    almost like two people using your identity…but then with my history I mustn’t even suggest that…

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  54. big bruv (13,880 comments) says:

    DG

    “almost like two people using your identity…but then with my history I mustn’t even suggest that…”

    Thanks mate, you owe me a new table cloth. I spat my coffee all over the table when I read that.

    I do like a bloke who can laugh at himself, well done old chap. :)

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  55. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    There is one born every minute. Seems the gene pool in Dunedin has been seriously diluted – canniness would have been a dominant characteristic of early settlers.

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  56. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Chortle, chortle, gulp, choke. Good on you Dave! :)

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  57. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Cull the prick at the next Mayor shooting season! :)

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  58. OneTrack (3,088 comments) says:

    Why are socialists so damn eager to spend other peoples money? On anything? Without thinking?

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  59. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    They hate the common folks having coin OneTrack. It’s very difficult to buy the fealty of a comfortably off chap! :)

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  60. Johnboy (16,483 comments) says:

    Evening Minus. Sorry to keep you waiting so long. :)

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  61. 3-coil (1,219 comments) says:

    Cull: “No regrets, done for the sensitivities of Taranaki maori”

    So Mayor Cull is now claiming that the Taranaki maori were camels?

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  62. David Garrett (7,270 comments) says:

    3-coil: Very droll Sir…I suspect the idiot has never been to Taranaki, and only has the sketchiest idea of what the Taranaki Wars were all about…

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  63. MH (751 comments) says:

    surely these camel anklets adapted for GPS, can be used to tie down Mallards genetically reintroduced Moa policy.

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