General Debate 10 June 2014

June 10th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Yoza (1,774 comments) says:

    Rik Mayall (7 March 1958 – 9 June 2014). Very sad.

    “I feel sorry for you, you zeros, you nobodies. What’s going to live on after you die? Nothing, that’s what!

    This house will become a shrine! And punks and skins and Rastas will all gather round and all hold their hands in sorrow for their fallen leader! And all the grown-ups will say, ‘But why are the kids crying?’ And the kids will say, ‘Haven’t you heard? Rick is dead! The People’s Poet is dead!’

    And then one particularly sensitive and articulate teenager will say, ‘Why kids, do you understand nothing? How can Rick be dead when we still have his poems?’.

    The People’s Poem:

    What do you think you’re doing
    PIG?
    Do you really give a FIG,
    PIG?
    And what’s your favourite GIG,
    PIG?
    Barry Manilow …
    or the Black and White Minstrel Show!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NP-kD4C1SA

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  2. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    Happy Birthday Mum. :cool:

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  3. dishy (241 comments) says:

    Whenever Mr Cunliffe is asked about the post-election accommodation that his party would need to make with the rest of its coalition (as to policy, cabinet membership etc) he tells us that both we and he will have to wait till after the election – till “the people have spoken” (he seems to assume – wrongly – that we even get to vote on these matters).

    But lately, Labour has announced major economic (Kiwisaver v OCR), electoral (coat-tailing) and judicial (Canterbury Earthquake Court) reforms. So either this latest talk is hollow, hopeful rhetoric, or Mr Cunliffe has been lying about doing deals with the other parties (who would have all sorts of things to say about such reforms). No wonder my dog growls when he sees Mr Cunliffe on the telly.

    At least under FPP, the winner was in a position to deliver on pre-election promises. With a lefty coalition of lackwit allsorts, who the hell knows what we’re going to get?

    My dog also growls when he hears “MMP”.

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  4. hj (6,832 comments) says:

    A man who had just arrived in town struck up a conversation with an old Quaker. “What were the people like”? the Quaker asked: “a lot of homophobic bigots” was the reply. “Thee will find those people here” he replied. Another person arrived. “What were the people like”? he asked. “Awww some were good, some were bad”. “Thee will find those people here” he said.

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/06/09/small-town-nz-bigotry/#comment-224302

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  5. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    Colin Craig continues to wave in the wilderness hoping National will make his Conservative campaign viable but Key has deliberately avoided him “under the orders of his wife”.

    Craig’s Conservatives cold shouldered.

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  6. RightNow (6,968 comments) says:

    Rest in peace Rik. Thank you for all the joy

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  7. All_on_Red (1,557 comments) says:

    Vale Rik Mayall
    Captain Flasheart
    ” an aero plane is like a women. Get inside her five times a day and take her to heaven and back- woof woof”
    Captain Flasheart to Baldrick ( Baldrick is being used as a foot stool)
    ” Have you ever felt the wind through your ears, Paarp paaarp, well now you have”

    Alan B’stard
    “Just make the cheque out to Christian All Saints Hospital , c.a.s.h for short”

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  8. wiseowl (861 comments) says:

    The Hastings District Council is spending $28,000 creating two filling stations for people who don’t want to drink flouridated
    water FFS.

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  9. wiseowl (861 comments) says:

    Does the United Future Party still have 500 pained up, sorry ,paid up members?

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  11. mike tan (472 comments) says:

    It would be unwise of National to associate with the Conservatives, that would be a gift to the left. NZ is not religious enough a country for their social policies to attract any significant level of support.

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  12. wiseowl (861 comments) says:

    Mike that is just absolute crap.
    The Conservatives are not religion based or driven and I am sick of the continual effort of some to discredit the Party by repeating this lie.
    The Conservatives are actually more aligned to policies that National used to pursue but dispensed with to hold on to power at all costs.
    The best thing that National could do is go with the CP and get away from the ride every horse Dunne or the Act dreamers.

    (no I am not a member of the CP)

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  13. Colville (2,250 comments) says:

    mike tan.

    IMHO you are flat out wrong. There are probably 10% of the population that could vote Cons and a lot of those people are PI labour voters. The got 60,000 viotes last time,approx what ACT UF and MANA got combined.

    The trick for National is how to get the Cons on board without pissing everybody else off.

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  14. SPC (5,573 comments) says:

    Old white men waiting for leadership

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11270738

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11270973

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  15. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    http://entertainment.msn.co.nz/article.aspx?id=8857435

    A sad day indeed , you were my favourite Young One Rik.

    RIP.

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  16. ciaron (1,419 comments) says:

    NZ is not religious enough a country for their social policies to attract any significant level of support.

    So, what you’re saying, is that people who hold to social policies commensurate with their faith are not entitled to representation?

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  17. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    Voting Conservative because you’re angry with National is like sawing your balls off because your trousers are too tight.

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  18. bc (1,365 comments) says:

    Pretty bloody brilliant, Yoza (said with a lisp)

    Grew up with “The Young Ones”. In my youth, I could just about recite the episodes off by heart. Going to watch the DVD’s tonight and remember Rik Mayall with a smile.

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  19. Colville (2,250 comments) says:

    NZ creeping toward 500 in the first innings of an away testmatch. When was the last time that happened? :-)

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  20. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    NBR in Coat-tail deals ‘a few weeks away’, says Key.

    “Whether we do any, all or none of them, is a few weeks away,” said Key of the potential deals, which he only offer meaningfully for Act, United Future and the Conservatives as National is weak in the Maori electorate of Waiariki where the Maori Party leader, Te Uruora Flavell, must win.

    Asked whether he was willing still to do an electorate deal for Craig, Key said “he hasn’t approached me”, but believed Craig was not seeking such an arrangement, citing public comments earlier this year.

    That is not sounding very hopeful for Craig.

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  21. fernglas (140 comments) says:

    To solve this problem of coat-tailing, or at least to bring some honesty into it, I would set up a party which promised to vote with National on everything, undertook that its constituency MPs would work within the constituency on behalf of all constituents, and promised integrity in its conduct. Ideology would be irrelevant, as the vote for National would be a given and a platform for election. The other two matters are something which politics seems to have forgotten but which transcend ideology. And there we go; no rampant liberal free marketeering gay bashing god bothering racist fringe parties, just the devil we know and a bit of grassroots work in the community. I know I’m too late to register a party but a backdoor takeover of Uffindell’s mob should work, and Dotcom would approve of that.

    I’d vote for me. Anyone else?

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  22. SGA (983 comments) says:

    ciaron at 8:45 am

    NZ is not religious enough a country for their social policies to attract any significant level of support.

    So, what you’re saying, is that people who hold to social policies commensurate with their faith are not entitled to representation?

    I didn’t read it that way – he’s not telling people not to vote CP, but that a very CP-friendly Nats might scare some of Nats voters (I think that’s his point).

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  23. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    I’, mot likely to back “a party which promised to vote with National on everything” – what would be the point? Any separate party should have separate aims and policies and should at least hold the option of voting against any other party.

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  24. Ed Snack (1,835 comments) says:

    Mike Tan has it rtight, those who want to claim that the Conservatives “are actually more aligned to policies that National used to pursue but dispensed with to hold on to power at all costs.” need to explain wy they want to resurrect Muldoon and Muldoonism. The conservative party’s economic policies are a joke, a cross between NZ First and who knows what, and socially they are simply opportunistic button pushers.

    Yes, there’s a religious vote block out there, it ain’t huge but it exists. I may even have some sympathy with some of their professed aims; but economically, not so much. They’re a fringe party and destined to remain fringe and exist only by the power of Craig’s money.

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  25. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    JK is fortunately a “big picture” man. Instead of catering to the whims of the conservative Godaddled he knows that when it becomes obvious that the CCCP are stuffed without an electorate deal their supporters will grudgingly get back in behind National or refrain from voting.

    There’s nowhere else for them to go

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  26. SPC (5,573 comments) says:

    I suspect the Civilian Party would become a serious challenger to the government if it sought to monopolise the infidel vote.

    It could quickly become a global movement, like the Greens, as a repository for anti-Moslem immigrant sentiment.

    An alliance with an anti-Christian party of secular liberals could soon dominate western politics.

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  27. hj (6,832 comments) says:

    Radio NZ Morning Report just read a letter in which someone used the phrase “___ an idiot like Colin Craig”.

    I’ve never heard anything like that before.

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  28. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    “…..It would be unwise of National to associate with the Conservatives, that would be a gift to the left….”

    Yeah….there’s Catholics & the Uniting Churches who vote Labour. Pacific Islanders too. Most Koreans are Catholic also.

    When was the last time you heard the left talking to Religious people nicely – instead of taking them for granted and disparaging their Religious views and Doctrine?

    Mr Craig is appealing to a lot of people. :cool:

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  29. hj (6,832 comments) says:

    SPC (5,138 comments) says:
    June 10th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    *Old white men* waiting for leadership
    ……
    A pergorative term of course!

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  30. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    Whoever is thumbing down comments about Rik Mayell ( and I have my suspicions ) needs to get out more.

    What a bore you must be. No wonder you are single.

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  31. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Agreed Dirty Harry- Even I gave Yoza a ‘Green Tick’ for his Mayall tribute (And Me and Yoza don’t usually see ‘eye to eye’…)

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  32. SGA (983 comments) says:

    dirty harryat 9:06 am

    Whoever is thumbing down comments about Rik Mayell ( and I have my suspicions ) needs to get out more.

    Vyvyan, perhaps?

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  33. Colville (2,250 comments) says:

    So Neesham goes out (107?) and next over we get 13 runs and Southee smacks a six. :-)

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  34. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    Ed Snack#

    “…..Yes, there’s a religious vote block out there, it ain’t huge but it exists. I may even have some sympathy with some of their professed aims; but economically, not so much. They’re a fringe party and destined to remain fringe and exist only by the power of Craig’s money….”

    Hardly. You don’t get to spend all of the budget from simply getting between 5-10% of the vote. They’re the best fit for National.

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  35. wiseowl (861 comments) says:

    I am really surprised naskar.
    I think you have been brainwashed by JK.

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  36. Changeiscoming (178 comments) says:

    Pete George get over yourself and your own lack of knowledge of NZ politics. Most of what you post is flat out wrong and most likely just typed to increase your comment count.

    You obviously have a very large bias against the Conservatives. But you should really stop making stuff up and spouting off as though you have some knowledge.

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  37. wiseowl (861 comments) says:

    If JK was a “big picture ” man he wouldn’t have catered to the whims of the racist party and led the country on a separatist path.

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  38. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Good on the leaders of Australia and Canada: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8857471/jobs-come-before-climate-leaders

    Nick Smith, Griff and stephie will be bitterly disappointed. Meanwhile in NZ, Key’s Labour Lite government continues to extract money from the population with the ETS tax.

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  39. SPC (5,573 comments) says:

    hj, I was surprised to learn that a black American was head of that grand old dame of the south, the Southern Baptist Convention. And that a Korean American wanted to contest the succession to that post.

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  40. SPC (5,573 comments) says:

    Harry, if the Conservatives do not expect any policy wins from supporting a government why are they in politics? Is it really just Craig using his money to exploiting the beliefs of voters to deliver seats to National so they can win elections?

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  41. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    Changeiscoming – if you’re going to spout off like that you could at least try and prove some of your claims. What have I posted that is “flat out wrong”?

    I don’t have “a very large bias against the Conservatives”, I comment on all parties. I’ve also pointed out Greens difficulties this morning – Green election prospects.

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  42. mike tan (472 comments) says:

    I only give my opinion on the potential impact that an affiliation with CP will have on National voters (not making any judgement as to the merits of the CP policies or whether or not people should vote for them). John Key works with incomplete information and takes risks that he perceives to be the most likely to yield a positive outcome, an affiliation with CP will scare some National voters away, but it will bring some voters too, the question is, will the number you gain be higher than the ones you scare off, in my view, the risk outweighs any possible reward (especially so considering that everything is running very smoothly for the right wing establishment and there is no need to “knock the boat”), and as stated above, the CP voters are likely to vote National anyway (in a situation with the CP vote isn’t available).

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  43. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Peter George, aka Peter Dunne’s foot soldier, continues his personal crusade/campaign against Colin Craig.

    The man from Dunedin will be delighted if his supreme and only boss is returned to Parliament by the Ohariu electorate, because the leaky fantasist means everything to him.

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  44. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    One thing National will be weighing up is the fringe party effect.

    If they want to go hard against Labour by scaring voters off the chances of an Internet-MANA coalition then they won’t want to be counter-accused of using and needing the Conservatives.

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  45. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    wiseowl (648 comments) says:
    June 10th, 2014 at 8:42 am

    What is the Con Party’s official position on the Apollo Moon landings,9/11 as an inside job and Chen trails, Birtherism etc.???

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  46. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    mmp
    At lest we now have a chance to see the maneuvering
    Before such deals were thrashed out by different factions within either party behind closed doors with the average voter having no knowledge of who, what or why these things came about
    It also allowed mass fortunes to be accrued by crony capitalist deals made without the electorates knowledge.
    It would be easy to list new Zealand’s rich family’s today who became so by the old import license scams This allowed some to monopolize our economy with crap goods sold at exuberant prices. All decided by political party’s in closed secret meetings.
    Any one old enough will remember the pleas to those lucky enough to go overseas to buy consumer goods or whatever because we were not given such choice in the home market.

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  47. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Manolo (12,948 comments) says:
    June 10th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    The only way Peter Dunne would be returned is if there is a ‘cup of tea’ deal.

    Which begs the question – how can Dunne claim he is a popular and efficient MP, if the only way he gets into parliament is via the back door? (with Nationals support).

    Surely this means that MP’s like Dunne, that can’t make it on their own, dilute the quality of government?

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  48. SGA (983 comments) says:

    mike tan at 9:24 am

    there is no need to “knock the boat”

    The expression is actually “rock the boat”, but I like yours too.

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  49. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    “…….obvious that the CCCP are stuffed without an electorate deal their supporters will grudgingly get back in behind National or refrain from voting…..”

    That’s what we’d expect from a coward like you. But we don’t fall into line. :cool:

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  50. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    Manolo, funny to see you reverting to your personal attack crusade when Conservatives come up – it makes you look like you’re going in to bat for Colin bigtime.

    Conservative supporters seem to have something in common with far left activists – if they feel politically threatened they fall back on personal attacks absent any factual arguments.

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  51. Tarquin North (254 comments) says:

    Sad to see Rick leave us. The New Statesman was a great series that should be compulsory viewing for all aspiring politicians. I had Alan B’stard as my avatar in another life. R.I.P Mr Mayall.

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  52. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    Shitty news that Alan B’stard is no longer with us :(

    LOVED that show as a young Dime. Rewatched the first 2 seasons last year. Still hilarious.

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  53. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    Is the rumour true that Ugly Truth, Reid, Wikii and Conservative Party members and supporters are getting behind the $5 million drive to find a whistleblower for flight MH370, ?,

    http://time.com/2844840/mh370-whistleblower-fund/

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  54. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    Colin Craig is appealing as yesterdays cold porridge, and personally, comes across as ‘desperate’, inexperienced, and a bit of a ‘mamby pamby’.

    He is quite literally living in the past and will gain votes with his ‘nostalgia’ campaign. But in reality little of what he promotes can ever be achieved. He’s as bad as the other parties offering their candy and chocolate policies.

    The world is a very different place from two or three decades ago. No matter how hard the Conservatives try, they will not succeed in dragging us back there. No matter how better off we might be for reliving those times, the fact is they simply will not work in this day and age. The only thing they will do, if they are part of a coalition government is unbalance the house further. Should a disaster occur and the next government is National/Conservatives/Maori/UF – then God help us.

    I’d rather see Key rule alone, than have that sort of nightmare, which in my opinion would be as disastrous as a L/G/NZ1/IP coalition.

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  55. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “Conservative supporters seem to have something in common with far left activists – if they feel politically threatened they fall back on personal attacks absent any factual arguments.”

    heres a factual argument – your master is a whore.

    Dime managed to find time saturday to reply to Dungs tweet:

    “It’s now time for liberal, disillusioned ACT voters to switch their support to @UnitedNZ to give John Key a reliable coalition partner”

    By liberal does he mean left wing? the yanks interpretation?

    Cause Dime believes in liberty and that doesnt include things like a car park tax and all the nanny state shit this chump dreams up

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  56. big bruv (13,699 comments) says:

    stephieboy

    “What is the Con Party’s official position on the Apollo Moon landings,9/11 as an inside job and Chen trails etc.???”

    Don’t know, don’t care. His ideas cannot be any more bat shit crazy than the Greens continuing support for the con that is man made climate change.

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  57. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    Should a disaster occur and the next government is National/Conservatives/Maori/UF – then God help us.

    That would depend on what the numbers are.

    If National are dependent on all of Conservatives/Maori/UF for a majority then it will be very difficult for them.

    UF on their (his) own would oppose a bit but wouldn’t be much of a problem.

    Conservatives are an unknown as far as political pragmatism goes. If smacking and/or referenda are bottom lines then I think it would be doomed.

    A National/Maori Party majority would be interesting. That’s what we have now but it’s largely inconsequential leading up to the election.

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  58. mike tan (472 comments) says:

    Judith raises an interesting point in that she refers to the National/Maori coalition. I think that bringing the CP in has the additional risk of upsetting this relationship (as they have the image of being less friendly than National where Maori issues are concerned)

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  59. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    SPC#

    I wouldn’t know what the CCCP want. I don’t have anything to do with the party.

    However they would work well with National as Christians/conservatives do care about the poor [so long as the poor really care about themselves ] which keeps National from being to lefty soft or hard rightest. It’s issue by issue as it always is.

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  60. wiseowl (861 comments) says:

    stephie girl.
    Chen trails may have something to do with gold mining ?

    You obviously feel threatened by the CP by repeating the media designed, left agenda, denigrating, insulting put downs of CC that are trotted out ad nauseum by those who seem to be determined to denigrate him.

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  61. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    big bruv, the debate on climate change is nothing compared to Colin Craig querying the Apollo Moon landings conspiracy.There also appear to be Birthers and Tea baggers swelling their ranks if Manolo and Fletch are anything to go by.

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  62. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    dime – I don’t have and I’ve never had any political ‘master’. I’ve made clear a number of times I have no more to do with UF and Dunne now than I have to do with any other party or leader.

    And I’m open and honest about it, unlike Colin’s crew here.

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  63. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    My ‘proposed’ coalition left out Act.

    Given the past week I’m not 100% convinced Act will get their past levels of support.

    Is Key going to be stuck with a big dilemma because ACT may not get enough of a percentage to get more than one MP in the house, in which case, he would be better off not making a deal, and having a National MP in Epsom?

    Does anyone have any idea of what percentage ACT might get?

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  64. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    Dont be silly Judith…

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  65. SPC (5,573 comments) says:

    One presumes National would do due diligence if it was fostering the Conservative Party into parliament – as to what they would seek in return for coalition.

    If so, they should inform the rest of us what is involved prior to the election.

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  66. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    Colin the Crazy will stun the nation when he announces that the moon is made of cream cheese & he has that on good authority from the little green men who visited him last night. :)

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  67. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    I think it’s too soon to tell what ACT might get. We’ll have to see what happens once the Banks stuff fades a bit.

    I think ACT stand a reasonable chance of retaining Epsom. Party vote could be anywhere from 1-3% depending on how well Whyte and Seymour campaign.

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  68. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    dumbowl , I just happen to think that the CP is a bit of joke with supporters like you and those I just mentioned .

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  69. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    [so long as the poor really care about themselves ]

    And this is where Colin Craig is out of touch.

    It is usually the inability to care about themselves, that makes a person poor. Should a person have enough fortitude, and pre-planning ability, then usually they don’t become poor in the first place (baring disaster).

    IT is the ability to make the poor care more about themselves, that is needed. Through education, opportunity and incentives to make them lift their ‘caring’ and develop a work ethic, eventually becoming self-sufficient.

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  70. big bruv (13,699 comments) says:

    The fact that we have to do deals with the political whore from Karori still rips my undies. For me Dunne is no better than any of the Greens or the scum from Labour. In some ways Dunne is worse, no other MP has the same feeling of self importance that Dunne has.

    Dunne needs to be told that if the Nat’s are going to do a deal with him this time then the rules will change, Dunne should be reminded that he is there at the behest of the Nat’s and that he is to do what he is told.

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  71. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    ACT are currently on 2.2% at iPredict, having settled down after a splurge to 4% a month ago, I think that’s a reasonable prediction. I don’t think choosing Banks plus the cup of tea debacle did their party vote any good last election.

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  72. Elaycee (4,352 comments) says:

    Given the left has embraced the convenient ‘merger’ between Mana and Dotcom (that improves the chances of coat tailing extra MPs but allows both parties to go their separate ways after the election), they could hardly whinge if a similar arrangement was announced between (say) ACT and the Conservatives.

    Especially if Epsom was held by ACT and Craig achieved ~3% of the party vote.

    Just saying…..

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  73. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Good to see that ACT’s David Seymour is doing the Big Sleep Out, raising money and awareness of homelessness in New Zealand.

    You can donate to his or other public figures’ fundraising efforts here:

    http://bigsleepout.org.nz/page/davidseymoursfundraisingpage

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  74. cha (3,933 comments) says:

    Jerad Miller – Benghazi, chemtrails, guns and Bundy.

    https://twitter.com/Gus_802/status/476034510094467073/photo/1

    https://twitter.com/splcenter/status/476032816799424513/photo/1

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  75. RRM (9,773 comments) says:

    Baron von Richthoven: Ah, and the Lord Flasheart. This is indeed an honour. Finally, the two greatest gentleman fliers in the world meet. Two men of honour, who have jousted together in the cloud-strewn glory of the skies, face to face at last. How often I have rehearsed this moment of destiny in my dreams. The panoply to encapsulate the unspoken nobility of a comradeship.

    [Flasheart shoots von Richthoven]

    Lord Flasheart: What a poof!

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  76. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    Go big bruv cheer up Griff on a rainy day.
    Care to expand on the massive conspiracy that sees the wolds scientific organizations all colluding in a giant hoax.
    Here is just a partial; list of organizations involved in your scam for you to consider and explain.
    http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php
    Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
    Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
    Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
    Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
    Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
    Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
    Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
    Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
    Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
    Académie des Sciences, France
    Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
    Academy of Athens
    Academy of Science of Mozambique
    Academy of Science of South Africa
    Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
    Academy of Sciences Malaysia
    Academy of Sciences of Moldova
    Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
    Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
    Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
    Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
    Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
    Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
    African Academy of Sciences
    Albanian Academy of Sciences
    Amazon Environmental Research Institute
    American Academy of Pediatrics
    American Anthropological Association
    American Association for the Advancement of Science
    American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
    American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
    American Astronomical Society
    American Chemical Society
    American College of Preventive Medicine
    American Fisheries Society
    American Geophysical Union
    American Institute of Biological Sciences
    American Institute of Physics
    American Meteorological Society
    American Physical Society
    American Public Health Association
    American Quaternary Association
    American Society for Microbiology
    American Society of Agronomy
    American Society of Civil Engineers
    American Society of Plant Biologists
    American Statistical Association
    Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
    Australian Academy of Science
    Australian Bureau of Meteorology
    Australian Coral Reef Society
    Australian Institute of Marine Science
    Australian Institute of Physics
    Australian Marine Sciences Association
    Australian Medical Association
    Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
    Botanical Society of America
    Brazilian Academy of Sciences
    British Antarctic Survey
    Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
    California Academy of Sciences
    Cameroon Academy of Sciences
    Canadian Association of Physicists
    Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
    Canadian Geophysical Union
    Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    Canadian Society of Soil Science
    Canadian Society of Zoologists
    Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
    Center for International Forestry Research
    Chinese Academy of Sciences
    Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
    Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
    Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
    Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
    Crop Science Society of America
    Cuban Academy of Sciences
    Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
    Ecological Society of America
    Ecological Society of Australia
    Environmental Protection Agency
    European Academy of Sciences and Arts
    European Federation of Geologists
    European Geosciences Union
    European Physical Society
    European Science Foundation
    Federation of American Scientists
    French Academy of Sciences
    Geological Society of America
    Geological Society of Australia
    Geological Society of London
    Georgian Academy of Sciences
    German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
    Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
    Indian National Science Academy
    Indonesian Academy of Sciences
    Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
    Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
    Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
    Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
    InterAcademy Council
    International Alliance of Research Universities
    International Arctic Science Committee
    International Association for Great Lakes Research
    International Council for Science
    International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
    International Research Institute for Climate and Society
    International Union for Quaternary Research
    International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
    International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
    Islamic World Academy of Sciences
    Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
    Kenya National Academy of Sciences
    Korean Academy of Science and Technology
    Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
    l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
    Latin American Academy of Sciences
    Latvian Academy of Sciences
    Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
    Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
    Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
    Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
    National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
    National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
    National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
    National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
    National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
    National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    National Association of Geoscience Teachers
    National Association of State Foresters
    National Center for Atmospheric Research
    National Council of Engineers Australia
    National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
    National Research Council
    National Science Foundation
    Natural England
    Natural Environment Research Council, UK
    Natural Science Collections Alliance
    Network of African Science Academies
    New York Academy of Sciences
    Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
    Nigerian Academy of Sciences
    Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
    Oklahoma Climatological Survey
    Organization of Biological Field Stations
    Pakistan Academy of Sciences
    Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
    Pew Center on Global Climate Change
    Polish Academy of Sciences
    Romanian Academy
    Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
    Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
    Royal Astronomical Society, UK
    Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
    Royal Irish Academy
    Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
    Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
    Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
    Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
    Royal Society of Canada
    Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
    Royal Society of the United Kingdom
    Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
    Russian Academy of Sciences
    Science and Technology, Australia
    Science Council of Japan
    Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
    Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
    Scripps Institution of Oceanography
    Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
    Slovak Academy of Sciences
    Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
    Society for Ecological Restoration International
    Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
    Society of American Foresters
    Society of Biology (UK)
    Society of Systematic Biologists
    Soil Science Society of America
    Sudan Academy of Sciences
    Sudanese National Academy of Science
    Tanzania Academy of Sciences
    The Wildlife Society (international)
    Turkish Academy of Sciences
    Uganda National Academy of Sciences
    Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
    United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
    Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
    World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
    World Federation of Public Health Associations
    World Forestry Congress
    World Health Organization
    World Meteorological Organization
    Zambia Academy of Sciences
    Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

    We need a separate party for you conspiracy nuts to vote for
    we could call it the Wingnuts Against Conspiracy Kinship Organization or some such.

    W.A.C.K.O

    Would fit the membership profile nicely.
    :lol:

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  77. big bruv (13,699 comments) says:

    “Good to see that ACT’s David Seymour is doing the Big Sleep Out”

    Why is this good?

    The “big sleep out” is bullshit, nothing more than a beat up for the scum from the left.

    There is NO reason to be homeless in NZ, for Seymour to be conned into attending this event smacks of desperation.

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  78. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    big bruv (12,641 comments) says:
    June 10th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    There is NO reason to be homeless in NZ

    I don’t know about that – Earthquakes, Floods and rising rent prices are pretty good ways to be without or unable to afford a home – just saying :-)

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  79. flipper (3,947 comments) says:

    Out there, in the land of the great unwashed, there are a plethora of political positions held by a plethora of voters or would be voters.

    There are, of course, the committed activists who will fight to the end in pursuit of their perceived solution to mankind’s problems (real or imagined).

    There are fiscal conservatives, red necks, religious nutters of various kind, and there are moderate activists.

    But IMV, the majority of New Zealanders want a stable Government that runs down the centre white line (no pun or reference to Maoridom intended) – even among those who are committed both mentally and physically (in the sense of being actively involved) to a particular party.

    As I have said several times before, more than 40 years ago Stuart Alsop wrote the definitive an analysis of the US electorate. His conclusion was that he who controlled the centre won. By and large it has been no different here, MMP notwithstanding. Let us be honest, when the economy was running at 110% (no thanks to Clark/Cullen, rather a confluence of fortunate circumstances) many would be middle roaders went with Cloak.

    NZ now has a situation where the only political party talking acceptable (to a majority) economic policy is National. Yes, ACT has stiffened backbones, but the extreme right wing is in the clouds. On the other hand the red melons, the fringe groups rallying around labour are equally out of touch. They will have their own constituency, but they will never command centrist’s voters loyalty.

    So what to do? John Key and Steven Joyce have plotted a course. It will not appeal to everyone in the centre or on the right. But it will appeal to soft left wingers, and the far right has nowhere else to go if they are to avoid a left take-over.

    So wise up children. Look at and like the world as it is – not as you would wish it to be.

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  80. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    ….”to be conned into attending this event smacks of desperation.”….

    Or insanity. Those who are likely to look favourably at ACT’s policies are sufficiently intelligent to know that “homelessness” is the territory of the feckless & terminally socialist.

    If his attendance picks up three more votes than it loses I will be amazed.

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  81. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    There is NO reason to be homeless in NZ

    Correct. So people who are homeless clearly need help.

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  82. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    If his attendance picks up three more votes than it loses I will be amazed.

    It is of course possible that he is not just doing it for votes.

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  83. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “Care to expand on the massive conspiracy that sees the wolds scientific organizations all colluding in a giant hoax.”

    its called funding.

    example:

    Dime applies for a grant to fuck 100 hookers and report back as to how much fun it was. DENIED

    So he reapplies for a grant to fuck 100 hookers and report back as to how this will impact climate change. APPROVED.

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  84. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    ….”It is of course possible that he is not just doing it for votes.”….

    A hundred odd days out from an election & he’s doing things other than to attract votes? If so ACT picked the wrong man.

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  85. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    A hundred odd days out from an election & he’s doing things other than to attract votes? If so ACT picked the wrong man.

    Mm. Fair point.

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  86. big bruv (13,699 comments) says:

    Fucking brilliant!

    Managed to bag Griff with one post.

    Now, whose next?….I know..

    David Bain is guilty!

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  87. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    Yes dime all I would expect from a poor sod who is to disgusting for any women to touch without being well paid for the chore.
    Nether mind dime I am sure there is a woman who will stoop that low for free somewhere in the world.

    All the worlds scientists are in a big scam to steal funding by fudging their output and every founder of science is now also implicated in the giant scam
    Almost the entire scientific community and worlds governments are trying to scam the population in a giant haox.

    Or some of you are totally self deluded wingnuts that cry hoax only because of greed. You are frightened it might cost you a few dollars

    occam’s razor

    says I am right.

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  88. smttc (730 comments) says:

    Here’s an idea.

    Why not let the good people of Epsom, the North Shore and Ohariu work out whether to electorate vote for Seymour, Craig and Dunne. I am sure they are smart enough to work it out for themselves without a formal endorsement from John Key. Certainly the people of Epsom seem to know what to do.

    As for a National/Maori Party majority. Forget it. I want the MP gone at the upcoming election. They are only in it for what they can get for Maori and they almost never vote with National except on confidence and supply (witness the setting to one side of the proposed employment law amendments). National would never get anything done. It simply would not work.

    National to govern alone I say. At least let’s see if there is really enough support for the CCCP without a nod from John Key.

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  89. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    “Or some of you are totally self deluded wingnuts that cry hoax only because of greed. You are frightened it might cost you a few dollars”

    why is it always the ones with no dollars that are so keen to tax other people?

    “Yes dime all I would expect from a poor sod who is to disgusting for any women to touch without being well paid for the chore.”

    i do kinda like it when the hookers hate me :D

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  90. RRM (9,773 comments) says:

    I thought Dime was a big swinging dick and didn’t need funding to fuck 100 hookers?

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  91. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    I think it’s very unlikely National will get to govern alone. There was a significant late shift against this happening last election.

    Why not let the good people of Epsom, the North Shore and Ohariu work out whether to electorate vote for Seymour, Craig and Dunne.

    That’s exactly how it works. Everyone can vote for whomever they want to. Endorsements and deals can signal possibilities but they can just as easily backfire. The voters end up deciding for themselves.

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  92. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    RRM – im actually all loved up now. my hooker days are most probably over :(

    was just an example of adding the word “climate” to anything seems to get you funding

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  93. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    Have you idiots managed to work out that you can vote for a political position and national has a position that is firmly in the center.

    Vote only National and get National labour light for another three years.

    Or vote act to get a more rightwing National party government.

    The same goes for the conservonutters who should vote colon crags conned preservatives and get a more conservative national government.

    MMP gives you a chance of swinging the resultant governments policy in your direction rather than only getting a mass party that represented the average mindless voter in the center.

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  94. minus (174 comments) says:

    Michael Fox and Hamish Rutherford write for stuff.co.nz an article headlined –
    Police handling of John Banks may be probed
    but it seems to no where mention the time restraint Police cited on investigating the issue, which actually begs the question – Why did the Police investigate it at all if law did not allow them to?
    And from that, it is unclear why McCready could act on the matter if time-wise it fell outside Police consideration?

    Other factors why Police may not be happy investigating “political” crimes –

    1] The Labour Party card scam, involving around $800,000 – with NZ First still to repay $158,000 after Winston’s PR diversion of paying it to Starship Hospital who rejected stolen funds – the bastards just made a retrospective law change legitimizing their actions.

    2] Was the initial complaint against John Banks not made by Trevor Mallard – two politiicians so why take it seriously?
    Or Roger Brooking, “random” Wellington resident who is Friends on Facebook with Brian Edwards, Sue Kedgley, Clayton Cosgrove, Andrew Little and other “random” people?

    3] When Police did produce a Report on Banks, the Prime Minister established its importance by frequently, adamantly and publicly refusing to read it.

    4] In the current case, until Banks announced his solution to the impasse, the Judge accepted a date for sentencing which conferred on the matter all the procedural ramifications [by-election, party funding cuts] that Police fear touching

    5] The Cunliffe secret fund, which when he returned money rather than “embarrass” the donor – the epitome of corrupting a Member of Parliament – meant the donation then became a secret six month loan outside Standing Orders, obviously breaking the spirit of the present law but not being covered by it [refer also to the case of Pants Down Brown]

    6] the waste of Police time – refer to the speed of tectonic bloody plates and the progress to the Banks case, Bain, and Dotcom issues.

    7] Perceived public permission, or “fair game” – where Dotcom is viewed by some to be similar to George Wilder, and it is OK for Ben Uffindell to be allocated $33,000 consequent to the apparent fraud that the Civilian Party is a serious Election contender, because it is money from a fixed budget.
    No, the original budget is an over-estimated fraud.

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  95. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Send ‘em home.Everyone of these “refugees” came through a second country before illegally migrating to Europe. Scam.

    http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=50372&icid=4&d_str=20140610

    Huge wave of migrants arrive in Italian ports.

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  96. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Scam that bring scum to Europe.
    You have to travel around Malta or Italy to see the idle buggers loitering on the streets.

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  97. jackinabox (781 comments) says:

    Here’s what Andrew Little will get in the post from the IPCA.

    Tuesday, 10 June 2018

    Mr Andrew Little MP
    Parliament Buildings,
    Wellington
    New Zealand

    Dear Sir,

    Further to your complaint dated 10.06.2014.

    I have now received from the Commissioner of Police the file of papers relating to your complaint for my independent review.

    I note from it that the Police declined to lay charges of electoral fraud against one John Archibald Banks.

    I also note that a Graham McCready subsequently brought a private prosecution against Mr Banks which resulted in him being found guilty of one charge of electoral fraud.

    The issue here relates to the discretion enjoyed by the Commissioner of Police or his officers, in this case the Police in laying charges. The Police have the discretionary right not to lay charges. This discretionary right was clearly exercised in this case and it is not an issue I am able, or would wish, to take up with the Commissioner.

    I am therefore unable to take this matter further but I thank you for bringing it to my attention.

    Yours faithfully,

    INDEPENDENT POLICE COMPLAINTS AUTHORITY

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  98. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Oh, how unfair! The Greens and Labour must be seething: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101743657

    The world added 2.6 million millionaire households last year, showing that the rich are getting richer and far more numerous, according to a report released Monday.

    The total number of millionaire households in the world rose 19 percent last year, to 16.3 million households, according to Boston Consulting Group’s Global Wealth report. Millionaire households represent 1.1 percent of all households globally.

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  99. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    kowtow

    Thank you for #2437 in your series of warnings about Muslim immigration but there’s another subject that begs your attention.

    You would have been passed out in your plate of potatoes before I knocked off work so I had to leave it until today to respond to your feeble attempts to whitewash the Tuam atrocities.

    I feel your disappointment in that the Irish Times can no longer be relied upon to spin on behalf of the Catholic Church. It’s worse than you think…..other agents of the MSM have defected:

    ….”In 2001, the Washington Post reported:

    Milotte, a senior reporter for the Irish television network
    RTE, says life was particularly hard for the mothers in
    these convents, which were largely self-sustaining due
    to the women’s free labor but also received public
    funding. It was quite a profitable business for the nuns.
    They exploited the women for labor and then sold their
    children for large amounts of money into adoption. The
    priests and nuns received money from the adoptive
    parents, who paid “confinement and medical costs”
    associated with their child’s birth.

    Where did the money go?” he wonders. “It sustained
    the people who ran the institutions in a manner they
    wouldn’t have otherwise enjoyed.” “…..

    Ref: http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2013/05/nuns-caught-trafficking-thousands-of.html

    Surely not!

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  100. Fletch (6,251 comments) says:

    Australian PM Tony Abbott is putting together a coalition of like-minded countries to push back against the bogus climate change racket.

    Tony Abbott seeks alliance to thwart President Obama on climate change policy

    Tony Abbott is seeking a conservative alliance among “like-minded” countries, aiming to dismantle global moves to introduce carbon pricing, and undermine a push by US President Barack Obama to push the case for action through forums such as the G20.

    Visiting Ottawa for a full day of talks with the conservative Canadian Prime Minister and close friend Stephen Harper, Mr Abbott flagged intentions to build a new centre-right alliance led by Canada, Britain and Australia along with India and New Zealand.

    All five Commonwealth countries now have “centre-right”-leaning governments but it is Mr Abbott’s personal and philosophical closeness to Mr Harper that the Prime Minister regards as most important.

    The combined front would attempt to counter recent moves by the Obama administration to lift the pace of climate change abatement via policies such as a carbon tax or state-based emissions trading. It is a calculated attempt to push back against what both leaders see as a left-liberal agenda in favour of higher taxes, unwise interventions to address global warming, and an unhealthy attitude of state intervention.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-seeks-alliance-to-thwart-president-obama-on-climate-change-policy-20140609-39t93.html

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  101. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    Nasska#

    “……Or insanity. Those who are likely to look favourably at ACT’s policies are sufficiently intelligent to know that “homelessness” is the territory of the feckless & terminally socialist….”

    That’s true.

    Tha ACT Wagon is now chock-a-block full of the former chardonay socialists – the liberal metrosexual, gaycrowd, childless modfeminist, health ‘professionals’, academics ect.

    These wankers think they’re better than their former chai latte Green brothers. But they just earn more – due of course to ‘their’ ACT party pushing National to privatise government services – to their employers – fellow ACT voting businessmen – like doctors & lawyers, health & education consultants, academics. Jobs for the boys & girls.

    ACT now looks like it cares with this photo opportunity. Socialism as usual – but this time under the corporate banner. Riich pricks are on the gravy train this time.

    Man up Nasska – the country needs your vote! :cool:

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  102. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Criticise corruption at FIFA and you’re a racist.

    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/314129.html

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  103. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    ….”– the country needs your vote”…..

    And the country will get it Harriet…..via National. Unless of course they cuddle up to Colin the Crazy.

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  104. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    “…..And the country will get it Harriet…..via National….”

    Give your party vote to the Conservatives as they do fight the hard fights, and they fight fair.

    ACT’s a joke. They’re going to help the homeless – mostly drugo types – then legalise them.

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  105. RightNow (6,968 comments) says:

    Once Obama’s climate change policies kick in I reckon the NZD will reach parity with the USD.

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  106. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    No “whitewash”,just some context to balance the rabid obsessiveness of you anti Christian bigots.

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  107. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Cuba, workers and arts “paradise”: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8857576/eight-cuban-ballet-dancers-defect-to-us

    A group of eight dancers with Cuba’s prestigious National Ballet have defected to the US after an event in Puerto Rico, the father of one of the dancers says.

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  108. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Most Christians, including those who could be called conservative, vote National or Labour. The idea that they can all be mobilized to vote for one party is profoundly silly, though it’s a silliness that seems pervasive amongst the deeply ignorant anti-Christian bigots on KB. Even amongst conservative Evangelical voters, there is a wide range of political views from Right to Left on economic issues, so no one party can ever count on gaining anything near a serious majority of that voting block.

    Combine this with the fact that the CP is not a Christian party, then any analysis of the Conservatives which indulges in the idea that they are somehow a reflection of Christian voting patterns is about as useful as tits on a bull. Perhaps less so.

    National needs coalition partners and it needs more than one, so it is in National’s best interests, both for this election and the future, to cultivate both ACT and the CP.

    This will not be a problem for National as some are claiming. Silly statements from ACT have never hurt National itself, and right now the CP is looking healthier than ACT is.

    I hope to see both ACT and the Conservatives in Parliament and in coalition with National.

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  109. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/some-reporting-on-tuam-story-mistaken-1.1825782

    Some reporting is mistaken. A lot of comment is down right bigotry.

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  110. Fletch (6,251 comments) says:

    kowtow, Brendan O’Neill from Spiked Online, gets into it as well…

    For proof of the maxim that ‘A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on’, look no further than the Tuam 800 dead babies story. Courtesy of a modern media that seems more interested in titillating readers with gorno than giving us cool facts, and thanks to a Twittermob constantly on the hunt for things it might feel ostentatiously outraged by, the story about babies being dumped in an old, out-of-use septic tank by nuns at a home for ‘fallen women’ in Tuam in Galway made waves in every corner of the globe. Then, a few days later, having finally strapped its boots on, the truth – or at least a more sober analysis of what might have really happened in Tuam – staggered on to the stage. And it was a very different story to the fact-lite, fury-heavy tale that had already gone round the world.

    On almost every level, the news reports in respectable media outlets around the world were plain wrong. Most importantly, the constantly repeated line about the bodies of 800 babies having been found was pure mythmaking. The bodies of 800 babies had not been found, in the septic tank or anywhere else. Rather, Corless had speculated in her research that the 796 children who died at the home had been buried in unmarked plots (common practice for illegitimate children in Ireland in the early to mid-twentieth century) and that some might have been put in the tank in which two boys in 1975 saw human remains.

    The septic tank on the grounds of the former home have not been excavated. No babies have been ‘found in a septic tank’, as the Washington Post, Guardian and others claimed. The claim that the babies were ‘dumped’ into some kind of sewage system is wrong, too. Corless says the nuns ‘made a crypt out of the old septic tank’. She now says her research has been ‘widely misrepresented’ and that she ‘never used the word “dumped”’ to describe the possible placing of some dead children into a makeshift crypt (‘possible’ being the operative word).

    More to the point, it’s actually not possible that all 800 dead babies are in this tank-cum-crypt, as pretty much every media outlet has claimed. Mainly because, as the Irish Times reports, the septic tank was still in use up to 1937, 12 years after the home opened, during which time 204 of the 796 deaths occurred – and ‘it seems impossible’, the paper says, ‘that more than 200 bodies could have been put in a working sewage tank’. Also, the Irish Times spoke to one of the men who in 1975, when he was 10 years old, disturbed the former septic tank and saw skeletal remains, and he says now that ‘there was no way there were 800 skeletons down that hole. Nothing like that number.’ He says there were ‘about 20’. Maybe his memory is fuzzy, but so far he is the only eyewitness we know of to this alleged pit of 800 dead babies in a tank in Tuam.

    So the widely made claim that the bodies of 800 babies had been found in Tuam is not true; no excavation has taken place. The claim that the babies were ‘dumped’ in a tank is not true, according to Corless herself. And the notion that the babies were hurled in with sewage is not correct – apparently the tank had been turned into a crypt. Yet none of these recent revelations, or Corless’s public angst at the widespread warping of her findings, has put a stop to the Heart of Darkness-style coverage of Tuam’s evil, mysterious tank.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-tuam-tank-another-myth-about-evil-ireland/15140

    Worth reading the whole thing.
    He also gets into the lies about the infamous Magdalene Laundries, including the book Don’t Ever Tell by Kathy O’Beirne (who claimed she was at the laundries and which turned out not to be true) and the lies around the Letterfrack Industrial School.

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  111. Don the Kiwi (1,684 comments) says:

    But Fletch & kowtow.

    This report must be wrong.

    As Viking and big slug bruv and nasska and Grief will tell you –

    Its the fault of all those hateful disgusting molesting god-bothering Catholics – they’re always murdering and hating and…and…

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  112. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    Fletch

    ….”Catherine’s(Corless) own words http://audioboo.fm/boos/2202867-the-home-tuam and here speaking to Phillip on RTE she says TWICE that the pit was full to the brim of little bones and skulls. Later she says that the full site was 30x 20 metres and the tank covers two thirds of that area. https://vodhls.rasset.ie/manifest/audio/2014/0528/20140528_rteradio1-liveline-communalgr_c20587489_20587492_261_.m3u8 “……

    But it doesn’t bother me greatly whether the remains are located in a septic tank or not. The real story is the systemic cruelty of the Catholic nuns against the young mothers & their children.

    And the despicable way they profited from their misery.

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  113. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    ….” they’re always murdering and hating and…and…”….

    …..pontificating on how other people should live up to the rules they have great trouble obeying themselves.

    That’s what you were trying to convey isn’t it Don. :)

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  114. hj (6,832 comments) says:

    Wikipedia does a good run down of Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home

    On 6 June, two senior Gardaí were appointed to lead a “fact-finding” mission. They were asked to gather all surviving records and to carry out preliminary tests on the suspected mass grave.[39] Gardaí said there was no criminal investigation as yet because there was no evidence of a crime, but senior sources said the review may change that.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Secours_Mother_and_Baby_Home#cite_note-40

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  115. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    “But it doesn’t bother me greatly whether the remains are located in a septic tank or not. The real story is the systemic cruelty of the Catholic nuns against the young mothers & their children.

    And the despicable way they profited from their misery”

    The real story is every story that has a Catholic angle is a chance for nasska et al to vent.

    We know full well he doesn’t give a shit .Otherwise his outrage would be vented on most jurisdictions that ran total institutions in the past.Most of which were dreadful places .

    It is only the Catholic ones in which the bigots want to show their “compassion”.

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  116. lilman (949 comments) says:

    Judith tell me are you voting Labour?
    Go on tell us the truth now,we know you love David and Grant and will vote for them.

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  117. Scott Chris (6,019 comments) says:

    Australian PM Tony Abbott is putting together a coalition of like-minded countries

    Ah, fellow ‘suppositories’ of wisdom. Good luck with that Mr Rabbit. :lol:

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  118. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    …”It is only the Catholic ones in which the bigots want to show their “compassion”. “….

    We take aim at the targets in front of us kowtow & your lot seem to provide ample opportunities.

    Yet, if you are serious in wanting to know why you get so much stick consider your reaction when abortion or euthanasia comes up for discussion. Then all life becomes incredibly precious, in total contrast say, to the actions of a group of religious maniacs only a few decades past.

    It is the unbelievable level of hypocrisy, cant & two faced crap that trips you up.

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  119. Andrei (2,545 comments) says:

    Nobel peace prize winner Barack Obama has unleashed the dogs of war and is threatening Nuclear War to advance American oil and gas interests

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  120. hj (6,832 comments) says:

    It isn’t looking good Kowtow. They don’t know how many of the dead children finished up in the septic tank but we do know none have a head stone. It is all looking very sad somehow.

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  121. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    Go to it fletch keep the dishonesty of the church alive
    We know that 796 children between the age of 0 and ten are buried on that site some of them in a disused septic tank
    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1382568855335119&id=1381096678815670
    We also know that there was no effort on the behalf on the church to mark or even record the place
    We also know that despite the church being well paid to care for these children they died at a rate far outside of what was expected or normal at the time
    http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/DebatesWebPack.nsf/takes/dail1934020700036?opendocument
    we also know that some of these deaths were due to malnutrition even though the church was paid 1 pound a week for its compassionate care .see above… a rate of death 3 to five times that of normal children
    This is on top of this report
    http://www.childabusecommission.com/rpt/

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/20/irish-catholic-schools-child-abuse-claims?guni=Article:in%20body%20link
    Rape and sexual molestation were “endemic” in Irish Catholic church-run industrial schools and orphanages, a report revealed today.

    The nine-year investigation found that Catholic priests and nuns for decades terrorised thousands of boys and girls in the Irish Republic, while government inspectors failed to stop the chronic beatings, rape and humiliation.

    The high court judge Sean Ryan today unveiled the 2,600-page final report of Ireland’s commission into child abuse, which drew on testimony from thousands of former inmates and officials from more than 250 church-run institutions. Police were called to the news conference amid angry scenes as victims were prevented from attending.

    More than 30,000 children deemed to be petty thieves, truants or from dysfunctional families – a category that often included unmarried mothers – were sent to Ireland’s austere network of industrial schools, reformatories, orphanages and hostels from the 1930s until the last facilities shut in the 1990s.

    All in the name of god..

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  122. Don the Kiwi (1,684 comments) says:

    Griff.

    You’re full of shit.
    They have records of all the deaths.

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  123. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Chardonnay socialist Silent T on a war path with the insurance industry: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8857636/insurers-duplicitous-labour-says

    Party leader David Cunliffe made the pledge on Monday, saying the court would speed up the settlement of more than 10,000 outstanding earthquake insurance claims.

    The insurance industry says Mr Cunliffe is “misguided” and making insurers pay for people who are suing them would set “a very bad precedent”.

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  124. cha (3,933 comments) says:

    They don’t know how many of the dead children finished up in the septic tank but we do know none have a head stone.

    Par for the course – the animals running the shop were legally compelled to obtain death certificates but having been born out of wedlock there was no baptism and no christian burial so dead children were routinely tossed into what we’d call an offal pit.

    .
    btw, I’m a baptised, communed and confirmed left footer.

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  125. Fletch (6,251 comments) says:

    Griff, we know nothing of the sort.
    We know that around 800 children died at the home over a period of many years at a time when life expectancy was very low. We don’t know how many are buried on the grounds of the home. Perhaps a disused tank was used as a crypt – we don’t know that either; or how many bodies might be inside. The only person to have ever looked inside, says maybe 20.

    I don’t see what the kerfuffle is about. As the historian explained, many children died in those days of many different diseases: tuberculosis, convulsions, measles, whooping cough, influenza, bronchitis and meningitis, among other illnesses.

    What do you think would have been done with the bodies? Cremation? The Church did not believe in cremation at that time. SO, of course they were buried. What is so strange about that?

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  126. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    Not towing the company line……you’ll be on a Vatican kill list now cha.

    Been great knowing you. :)

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  127. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    :lol:

    I said

    We also know that there was no effort on the behalf on the church to mark or even record the place.

    The grave site was discovered in 1975 by a couple of young boys before then there was no evidence of the burials and even after the graves were marked and commented by locals not the church.
    The deaths were recorded the mass grave site was not.

    And don you are full of the kakapoohpooh
    lake Loise normally remains frozen in till late may early June.
    June 3 2008 still plenty of ice
    http://www.tripadvisor.co.nz/MemberPhotos-a_uid.E__2E__jucrYKKubyJ28pxMYDTzDg%3D%3D-w1#18077131
    right now its not frozen
    http://cams.skilouise.com/cam9.jpg

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  128. Don the Kiwi (1,684 comments) says:

    Irish News Agency.

    “And now, Seamus O’Connor has just filed a report , outlining all the care and attention given to unwed mothers and their children in the state sponsored Atheist homes for the poor..
    “So Seamus, what can you tell us about these atheist homes?”

    “Well, despite searching for the past three months, going through all the international records, there appears to be no homes – that is, absolutely zero – of homes sponsored or funded or staffed by atheists on a worldwide scale. In fact, many non-religious and atheist families send their pregnant daughters to those terrible Catholic homes for the poor and turn their backs on them.”

    “Seamus – are you sure? We have had so many reports and complaints from atheists over many years about how terrible these Catholic homes are , that surely they would have risen to the occasion and developed their own care for these unfortunate people?”

    “Well yes, I would have thought so too – but they seem to prefer to turn their backs on those in need, while criticising and denigrating those other institutions, state, catholic and other religious ones who do their best – inadequate though it is, to try to help these poor people. All is far from perfect in these homes – the people are after all subject to human weaknesses the same as the rest of us, but I suppose at least they try. This is Seamus O’Connor, reporting for the Irish News Agency”

    “Thank you for that report, Seamus. In breaking news, we are fielding literally hundreds of calls from atheists who are complaining about the bias in our reporting.””

    :-)

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  129. SGA (983 comments) says:

    Fletch at 1:31 pm

    The Church did not believe in cremation at that time. SO, of course they were buried. What is so strange about that?

    At least one report seemed to take issue that the children were buried on unconsecrated ground. Is that standard (I honestly don’t know, that’s why I’m asking)?

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  130. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Don, would you care to explain how Griff is “full of shit”?

    He said that there “was no effort on the behalf on the church to mark or even record the place [of burial]“, which doesn’t conflict with the point that the deaths themselves were recorded.

    Rome was well known for its infanticide, so it is hardly unexpected that the Church of Rome would behave in the same way.

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  131. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    You might still be spinning Fletch. Unless one is a Godnutter what happens to a body pales into insignificance against small children being denied their chance at life:

    ….”a local medical inspector and went into Bessboro [the Sacred Hearts home in Cork] because he had heard stories of staggering numbers of children dying. He went in for an inspection. The nuns thought they were being clever and put nice clean white linens in the babies’ cots, but when their backs were turned, he pulled down the covers and discovered there were outbreaks of Streptococcus going around, and masses of children lying around infected. That would explain in certain years like that we’re seeing such a high death rate.”…..

    Ref: http://www.vox.com/2014/6/5/5779902/how-mid-century-ireland-dealt-with-unwed-mothers-and-their-children

    Never attribute to chance that which can be laid at the feet of human cruelty & criminal neglect.

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  132. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    My maternal grandmother was Irish Catholic, her grandmother born here of Irish stock, her grandfather from Galway. My grandmother did not raise my mother (an only child) to be Catholic, my grandmothers’ sister did not raise her only son as Catholic either. My grandmother had a brother interred as an epileptic imbecile due I think to problems at birth, who I found in an unmarked grave in Nelson (although consecrated) where there had been a sanatorium, he died of pneumonia, the records also stated family unknown. Awful times for everyone, not just Catholics (although they were) and not just in Ireland. My grandmother hated the nuns of the convent.

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  133. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    Don

    ….”, there appears to be no homes – that is, absolutely zero – of homes sponsored or funded or staffed by atheists “….

    I think I may be able to help you out on that one. Atheists generally have sufficient love & compassion not to throw their teenage daughters onto the street or into a workhouse laundry because they happen to get pregnant. Only those semi advanced societies where Skyfairies set morality & rules have a need for baby factories & the like. :)

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  134. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    Andrei (2,443 comments) says:
    June 10th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    It still hasn’t got through to you that RT is Putin and Kremlin controlled , edited and censored by them.?
    Of course what would happen if you decided to think differently from them .?

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  135. Don the Kiwi (1,684 comments) says:

    Priceless, Ugly,

    “Rome was well known for its infanticide, so it is hardly unexpected that the Church of Rome would behave in the same way.”

    This gets funnier and funnier the more distraught our atheists get at running down the Catholic Church. :lol:

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  136. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The vile prophet was well known for his paedophile tendencies, so it is hardly unexpected that barbaric Islam would behave in the same way.

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  137. Don the Kiwi (1,684 comments) says:

    nasska (10,119 comments) says:
    June 10th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    ‘I think I may be able to help you out on that one. Atheists generally have sufficient love & compassion not to throw their teenage daughters onto the street or into a workhouse laundry because they happen to get pregnant. Only those semi advanced societies where Skyfairies set morality & rules have a need for baby factories & the like. :)

    Really nasska?

    I guess if you plough through the records of the Atheistic Soviet Union, or the Iron Curtain countries that the atheists ruled, I’m sure you’ll find records there – about mass excutions, forced abortions, indoctrinations………

    Next you’ll tell me they learnt it all from the Catholic Church. :-)

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  138. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    UT, is Pope Francis the current anti Christ,?

    BTW, donating for the MH370 whistleblower campaign.?

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  139. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Distraught isn’t a word I’d use to describe it, Don.

    Some related “Christian Charity” from Canada:

    http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/intro2.html

    1907: Dr. Peter Bryce, Medical Inspector for the Department of Indian Affairs, tours the residential schools of western Canada and British Columbia and writes a scathing report on the “criminal” health conditions there. Bryce reports that native children are being deliberately infected with diseases like tuberculosis, and are left to die untreated, as a regular practice. He cites an average death rate of 40% in the residential schools.

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  140. cha (3,933 comments) says:

    you’ll be on a Vatican kill list now cha.

    Although I’m most certainly off to the Dante’s second circle (lust) I console my self with with the notion that the apologists are Bolgia bound and the perpetrators of the horrors will end up in Judecca.
    /

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  141. Don the Kiwi (1,684 comments) says:

    Ugly

    “Distraught isn’t a word I’d use to describe it, Don.

    Some related “Christian Charity” from Canada:”

    Read your own link. It was the Canadian Govt. enacting laws that caused the problem .

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  142. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    It was the Canadian Govt. enacting laws that caused the problem .

    The Canadian head of state was (and is) a Christian.

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  143. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Oh dear, and we’re back to the Queen and the Canadian kids again.

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  144. SGA (983 comments) says:

    mikenmild at 2:15 pm

    Oh dear, and we’re back to Queen and the Canadian kids again.

    I’d imagine that the British royal family weren’t exactly welcome in Ireland in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, so I’m hoping that they are in the clear here.

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  145. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    Efforts to shut down discussion of possible radical Islamic activities at the Christchurch mosque continue.

    In today’s Christchurch Press a letter writer takes the newspaper to task for its initial report last Thursday responding to overseas statements that two Australians killed in Yemen had been radicalised at the Christchurch mosque.

    The Christchurch Press followed this with an editorial on Saturday virtually denying the pair could have been radicalised at the mosque.

    The letter today in the newspaper today praises the editorial but purports to rubbish the initial report on THursday.

    The fact is that initial report on Thursday was a gutless PR slab of words defending the mosque and almost ridiculing the claim by the Australians that the pair killed by Yemen drones were radicalised at the Christchurch mosque.

    The multiculturalists and Islamicists are out to ban any New Zealand non-Muslim questioning of Islamic activities.

    It is a disgrace that the Fairfax-owned Christchurch Press appears to be going along with this. Fairfax should resite it in Mecca.

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  146. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Peru approves genocide for uncontacted tribes

    Peru has approved the highly controversial expansion of the Camisea gas project onto the land of uncontacted Amazon tribes – despite international outrage, the resignation of three ministers, and condemnation by the United Nations and international human rights organizations.

    Peru’s Ministry of Culture, tasked with protecting the country’s indigenous population, has approved plans by oil and gas giants Pluspetrol (Argentina), Hunt Oil (US) and Repsol (Spain) to detonate thousands of explosive charges, drill exploratory wells and allow hundreds of workers to flood into the Nahua-Nanti Reserve, located just 100km from Machu Picchu.

    The expansion could decimate the uncontacted tribes living in the reserve, as any contact between gas workers and the Indians is likely to result in the spread of diseases or epidemics to which the Indians lack immunity.

    When oil giant Shell first started explorations in the area, it led to the death of nearly half the Nahua tribe. One Nahua man recounted, ‘Many, many people died. People dying everywhere, like fish after a stream has been poisoned. People left to rot along stream banks, in the woods, in their houses. That terrible illness!’

    http://www.worldwidehippies.com/2014/01/27/peru-approves-genocide-for-uncontacted-tribes/

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  147. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    ERROR: ‘Nuclear Devices Were Used to Destroy the Twin Towers’

    http://911review.com/errors/wtc/nukes.html

    Note how Fetzer and co deceive and misinform,

    “Promoters of the mini-nukes idea have also supported their claim with news stories of nuclear contamination in landfills near New York City, ignoring the fact that the stories were about radium contamination from industrial equipment. etc, etc ”
    Dr Steven Jones

    His paper,

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/a/Hard-Evidence-Rebudiates-the-Hypothesis-that-Mini-Nukes-were-used-on-the-wtc-towers-by-steven-jones.pdf

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  148. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The fact is that initial report on Thursday was a gutless PR slab of words defending the mosque and almost ridiculing the claim by the Australians that the pair killed by Yemen drones were radicalised at the Christchurch mosque.

    “gutless PR slab of words” is part of an opinion, not a fact.

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  149. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “Promoters of the mini-nukes idea have also supported their claim with news stories of nuclear contamination in landfills near New York City, ignoring the fact that the stories were about radium contamination from industrial equipment. etc, etc ”

    Radium contamination doesn’t account the the excess heat at “ground zero”.

    Steven Jones is a shill. He was involved in suppressing cold fusion when Fleishmann and Pons first got started.

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  150. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    Old Ugly posted at 2.35:

    “gutless PR slab of words” is part of an opinion, not a fact.

    What’s your point, oh President of World Conspiracy Nits?

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  151. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Here you go Kiwibloggers!

    Sink your wee goldfish gums into this ……. :)

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    A message to all NZ MPs who are opposed to corruption:

    WE NEED THE EPSOM BY-ELECTION TO HELP KEEP THE PUBLIC SPOTLIGHT ON CORRUPTION!

    MPS who are opposed to corruption, should NOT support the upcoming vote (which needs 75% of MPs – 91 MPs) to prevent this Epsom by-election going ahead!

    Please make your voices heard – ASAP!
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    10 June 2014

    PRESS RELEASE FROM ANTI-CORRUPTION ‘PUBLIC WATCHDOG’ PENNY BRIGHT –

    “Why I support Graham McCready’s call for an Epsom by-election.”

    I, Penny Bright, ‘anti-corruption and anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’ support the call of private prosecutor Graham McCready, for MPs to support a by-election in Epsom, and NOT to provide this National Government with the numbers to make up the 91 MPs (75%) required to STOP this by-election.

    In my considered opinion, any public monies spent on this Epsom by-election, will NOT be a ‘waste of money’ – but an investment in the fight against corruption in New Zealand ‘perceived to be the least corrupt country in the world’.

    http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/results/

    The general election will focus on many issues, but a by-election in Epsom will help keep a huge public spotlight specifically on corrupt practices such as electoral fraud – which have apparently been ‘common practice’.

    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/election/a/-/24196184/prebble-told-to-back-up-allegations-of-electoral-fraud/
    How many other internationally-recognised corrupt practices are common practice in New Zealand?
    Here are a couple of examples of corrupt practice that most New Zealanders have never even heard of, but are endemic here, in my considered opinion:

    Ever heard of ‘State capture’?

    Where vested interests get their way at ‘policy’ level – before legislation is passed which serves their interests.
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.answers.com/topic/state-capture

    ‘State capture’ obtains when a small number of firms (or such entities as the military) is able to shape the rules of the game to its advantage through massive illicit, and non-transparent provision of private benefits to officials and politicians. Examples of such behaviour include the ability to control legislative votes, to obtain favourable executive decrees and court decisions. A relatively new concept, the main proponents being World Bank researchers, it echoes that of ‘crony capitalism’ and covers cases where high-level corruption is pervasive. (See military-industrial complex; clientelism.)

    Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/state-capture#ixzz34BuEK4YI
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    (That’s how the NZ Business Round Table (BRT) used to do it – by focusing on ‘policy’, pretending that their greedy self-interest was somehow in the ‘national interest’, and pushing for legislation from which they profited.
    The BRT mantra that ‘public was bad – private was good’ helped to frame the ‘Rogernomics’ legislation which allowed the commercialisation, corporatisation and privatisation of public assets, a number of which (or shares of which) ended up in the hands of BRT members.)
    Where can you check for ‘State capture?
    Read the ‘Regulatory Impact Statements / Regulatory Impact Reports and find out with whom the policy analysts have been ‘consulting’ and treating as ‘independent third-parties – when they actually have and are vested interests ….
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    How about ‘post-separation employment?

    The ‘revolving door’ between public office and employment in the private sector.

    http://www.icac.nsw.gov.au/preventing-corruption/knowing-your-risks/post-separation-employment/4301
    Post-separation employment
    Post-separation employment is the situation where a public official leaves the public sector and obtains employment in the private sector.
    The principle underlying the management of post-separation employment is the need to ensure that public sector decisions are made only on their merits and not compromised by extraneous considerations or personal interests.
    The Department of Premier and Cabinet Personnel Handbook refers to this issue in Section 8-12:
    Employees should not use their position to obtain opportunities for future employment. They should not allow themselves or their work to be influenced by plans for, or offers of, employment outside the department.
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    There should be a mandatory ‘quarantine period’ of 18 months to 2 years, between leaving Ministerial or senior public service positions and taking up a job in the private sector where you can be seen to be using your previous contacts and influence to ‘feather your own nest’.

    Want to get up to speed with a comparison of anti-corruption legislative frameworks between Australia, NZ, UK, Canada and USA and compare it with that of New Zealand?

    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/Conduct

    Please be reminded that New Zealand has STILL yet to ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption (UNCAC).

    Minister of Justice Judith Collins’ ‘Organised Crime and Anti-Corruption Legislation’ Bill, the passage of which is required before NZ can ratify UNCAC has yet to surface on the Parliamentary Order Paper.

    http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/50DBSCH_SCR5462_1/e73e0f6412f2e249705a3fa50593fa18d79e2d80
    International treaty examination of the United Nations Convention Against Corruption
    Report of the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    This 50th Parliament has 5 sitting weeks left …
    .
    New Zealand desperately needs a genuinely Independent Commission Against Corruption – like the New South Wales Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC)
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.icac.nsw.gov.au/about-the-icac/overview

    Overview

    The Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) was established by the NSW Government in 1989 in response to growing community concern about the integrity of public administration in NSW.

    The ICAC’s principal functions are set out in the Independent Commission Against Corruption Act 1988. In summary, they are:

    to investigate and expose corrupt conduct in the NSW public sector

    to actively prevent corruption through advice and assistance, and

    to educate the NSW community and public sector about corruption and its effects.

    The jurisdiction of the ICAC extends to all NSW public sector agencies (except the NSW Police Force) and employees, including government departments, local councils, members of Parliament, ministers, the judiciary and the governor. The ICAC’s jurisdiction also extends to those performing public official functions.
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright
    …………………….
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    PRESS RELEASE FROM GRAHAM McCREADY – WHY HE SUPPORTS AN EPSOM BY-ELECTION:

    10 June 2014

    Graham Edward Mc Cready, New Zealand Citizen, Kiwi Patriot and sucessfull prvate prosecutor of the one honorarable John Archbald Banks call for ALL Membres of Parkiament including our most able and ehically corect Prima Minsister John Key to vote to hold a bi-election in Epson following the exit from tghe halls of power of Mr Banks.

    ‘I am a -political when it comes to the law. I do not belong to any political party. I am by the way a long term Labour Party supporter who helped Trevor Mallard in his first campaign in Hutt South. But the whole Banks private prosecution continued to the point it did because Banks held the Epson seat propping up the Key Government.

    Had Banks adopted the wisdom of Trevor Mallard and offered as soon as he was summoned to plead guilty to a lessor non indictable charge that in December 2012 would have been accepted and amongst other things would have saved the Country a two year distraction and also my health.

    There are thousands of fellow Kiwis who do not vote. One of the reasons is their view that all politicians are a bunch of corrupt bastards not worthy of their support.

    The Epson mad hatters tea party and subsequent court proceedings are a stain on the political life of the Nation that needs expunging.

    Voting not to hold a bi-election on expediency just tells the average Joe citizen that it is business as usual.

    The electorate through a Bi -Election in Epson needs the opportunity to voice their anger at their elected leaders and elect a candidate in Epson free of all the ACT balderdash.

    It will focus and address all the issues that have come out of the Banks court case that will be lost forever in a General Election
    I call on all MPs to vote accordingly’

    Graham Edward Mc Cready
    Concerned New Zealand Citizen
    ………………………….

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  152. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    UT,

    9/11 Truthers squabbling amongst themselves and at each others throats.?

    Dr Jones a shill.?? A Zionist one,?

    Havee you bothered to read his paper.?

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  153. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Judge Jeanine to Obama: ‘Your Actions Demand Impeachment’

    In last night’s Opening Statement, Judge Jeanine slammed President Barack Obama’s decision to trade five Gitmo detainees for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, saying that Obama is not a true commander-in-chief and that his actions demand impeachment.

    http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/06/08/judge-jeanine-obama-%E2%80%98your-actions-demand-impeachment%E2%80%99

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  154. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    “Then all life becomes incredibly precious, in total contrast say, to the actions of a group of religious maniacs only a few decades past.”

    Exactly where have I said that the lives of the deceased children at Tuam were any less precious than any other life?

    ps It’s toe the line , not tow.

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  155. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The unintended consequences of socialism. Dime may not agree.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-09/venezuela-prostitutes-earn-more-selling-dollars-than-sex.html

    Prostitutes more than double their earnings by moonlighting as currency traders in Puerto Cabello. They are the foreign exchange counter for sailors in a country where buying and selling dollars in the streets is a crime — and prostitution isn’t.

    Greenbacks in the black market are worth 11 times more than the official rate as dollars become more scarce in an economy that imports 70 percent of the goods it consumes.

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  156. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    9/11 Truthers squabbling amongst themselves and at each others throats.

    Nope, just an opinionated retard who can’t even cope with regular English punctuation.

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  157. srylands (404 comments) says:

    “Here you go Kiwibloggers!

    Sink your wee goldfish gums into this ……. :)”

    I did try but my eyes glazed over about one-quarter the way through.

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  158. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    UT,your usual fall back when you have no answers.

    Meanwhile more refutation of the mini nukes idiocy,,

    http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=276212

    At least 16 survived the North Tower Basement area unscathed and unvapourized

    My.!

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  159. Pete George (23,428 comments) says:

    @keith_ng

    This is why “let’s wait for others to do it first” is a goddamn lie.

    Tony Abbott seeks alliance to thwart President Obama on climate change policy

    When mitigation is cheap, they say the science is uncertain and we must wait.

    When the science is certain, they say the science is uncertain and we must wait.

    When they are no longer able to say the science is uncertain, they say we can’t make a difference without the big players.

    Every excuse they made have been lies from the very start, and it’s time we treated them as fundamentally dishonest people.

    When the big players finally move into action, they try to *thwart* the big players.

    Every excuse they made have been lies from the very start, and it’s time we treated them as fundamentally dishonest people.

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  160. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    wiki, Judge Jeanine Piro is Fox’s answer to Judge Judy but infinitely much worse and incompetent .

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  161. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Oh you poor wee thing ‘srylands’ – too many FACTS for you to handle?

    Or are you just another one who suffers from ‘willful blindness’?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  162. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    UT,your usual fall back when you have no answers.

    My answer was that your explanation failed because of the excess heat at “ground zero”.

    The Relentless Hypocrisy Of James Randi
    http://www.rense.com/general50/james.htm

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  163. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    Pubic watch cat lady
    paid your rates yet?
    You do know that falling to do so gives you about as much Mana as screaming like a deranged nutter when arrested for smelling up a public space.
    Would you like to watch a video with us penny?
    This one rates as an all time KB classic
    http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Hysterical-scenes-during-arrest-of-Occupy-protestor-Penny-Bright/tabid/423/articleID/240742/Default.aspx

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  164. stigie (1,060 comments) says:

    Did anybody read that piece from Penny…? I didnt !~

    ( meant of course in a caring way )

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  165. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Penny as wrong as she may be has got more guts than cowards like you and Griff Stigie.

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  166. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    “I’d imagine that the British royal family weren’t exactly welcome in Ireland in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, so I’m hoping that they are in the clear here.”

    In the 30’s the King was still Head of state of the Irish Free state. For political reasons, I imgine there were no invites to visit.It would have been the gummint not wanting them. I’d warrant the royal family would have been welcomed by a majority of the people of the island, north and south.

    As an indication of popular loyalty in Dublin British legion commemorative marches were very well attended in Dublin up to the late ’30s.

    http://comeheretome.com/2013/03/06/ireland-honours-her-dead-armistice-day-1926/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8121389/How-George-V-was-received-by-the-Irish-in-1911.html

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  167. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    lilman (783 comments) says:
    June 10th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
    Judith tell me are you voting Labour?
    Go on tell us the truth now,we know you love David and Grant and will vote for them.

    I challenge you to find one post where I have said anything nice about Cunliffe or Robertson or where I would be voting Labour in the next election.

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  168. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Two articles worth reading:
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9220751/the-farage-touch/
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9220061/ukip-arent-going-away-and-david-cameron-has-no-idea-what-to-do/

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  169. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    Yes oh great retardist nom de plume who bravely attacks all progressives with his gnashing gums and lightning fast dribbles of incontinence.

    You can totally divine who “Griff” is and his achievements in the real world by his pseudonyms output on KB oh great leader of the conservative hoards.

    get a life you silly old nutter and try hard to think for once.

    ie how many other posters go totally against the tide of this blog and insist that AGW is a real threat.

    Lots ..EH sycophant liking blogger of the retard site trolly pooh.

    I doubt you would stay for long on here if you did not have the hoards of sycophantic up ticks your faithful crew of retards give your pathetic attempts at debate oh senseless old fart of the authoritarian nuttiness.

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  170. stigie (1,060 comments) says:

    Its really quite simple Reddy, anyone can stop paying their rates !~

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  171. Dean Papa (787 comments) says:

    World Cup begins in a few days. I’m tipping hosts Brasil, the ABs of world soccer!!

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  172. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    “You can totally divine who “Griff” is”

    Someone who knows told me you have at least three or four accounts on Kiwiblog, so whatever down ticks I may get I know that three or four of them came from you, you cheating coward.

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  173. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    Tick wanking :lol: projecting much
    We know who has the fetish for that.
    ….eh …..
    Redtard of the mysterious up tick wanking on whale
    Didn’t that pathetic little trick get you banned?
    Ops it was the bullshit you spurted when caught by admin running multiple up ticking sock puppets that actually had you deemed persona non grata,
    This is fun redbaiter keep going.
    :lol:

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  174. Redbaiter (8,309 comments) says:

    Sorry, better things to do than engage with revolting curs like you.

    Gotta go watch some paint dry.

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  175. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    :lol:

    L

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  176. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    GD Sport: Men’s Tennis . . .

    Nadal winning French Open number nine has got me thinking . . .

    Nadal has just turned 28 and Djokovic is about 27. At what age and how long will it be from now before the first journalist describes them as ‘veterans’? It wouldn’t be 100% OTT to apply the label now – but it will be interesting to see when the balance of opinion shifts to moving them into the ‘old age pro tennis player’ category.

    And according to classic tennis theory – both are at an age where grand slam wins become less frequent no matter what your name is or what surface you play on. Nadal in 2015 will be able to brag cleaning up on clay despite closing in on age thirty – adding advancing years to the long list of opponents that he defeats along the way.

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  177. Steve (North Shore) (4,543 comments) says:

    Fizzy drinks. Are the leftie control nutters going to ban this?
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/gop6jhygk4p9ao4/leninade.jpg

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  178. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    …..”Gotta go watch some paint dry.”…..

    Have a read of “True Blue” instead Baity. It’ll be slightly less cerebral. :)

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  179. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    NOAH TODAY

    In the year 2013, the Lord came unto Noah, who was now living in Oregon and said:
    “Once again, the earth has become evil and I see the end of all flesh before me. Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing along with a few good humans.” He gave Noah the blueprints, saying: “You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights.”

    Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard – but no Ark. “Noah!” He roared, “I’m about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?” “Forgive me, Lord,” begged Noah, “but things have changed.”

    “I needed a Building Permit.”

    “I’ve been arguing with the Boat Inspector
    about the need for a sprinkler system.”

    “My neighbors claim that I’ve violated the
    Neighborhood By-Laws by building the Ark in my back garden and exceeding the height limitations. We had to go to the Local Planning Committee for a decision.”

    “Then the Local Council and the Electric Company demanded a boat load of money for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark’s move to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it.”

    “Getting the wood was another problem. There’s a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the Greater Spotted Barn Owl. I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls – but no go!”

    “When I started gathering the animals the ASPCA took me to court. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. They argued the accommodations were too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space.”

    “Then the Environmental Protection Agency ruled that I couldn’t build the Ark until they’d conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.”

    “I’m still trying to resolve a complaint with the Human Rights Commission on how many minorities I’m supposed to hire for my building crew.”

    “Immigration are checking the Visa status of most of the people who want to work.”

    “The Trades Unions say I can’t use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with ark-building experience.”

    “To make matters worse, the Internal Revenue Service seized all my assets, claiming I’m trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species.”

    “So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark.”

    “Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky.”

    Noah looked up in wonder and asked,
    “You mean you’re not going to destroy the world?”

    “No,” said the Lord.” The Government beat me to it.”

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  180. stigie (1,060 comments) says:

    Fuck Nasska, just spat rum n ginger ale all over my keyboard !~

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  181. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    “Murphy drops some buttered toast on the kitchen floor. It lands butter-side-up.

    He looks at what he has done in astonishment, for he knows it’s a law of nature that buttered toast always falls butter-down.
    He rushes round to the presbytery to fetch the priest. He tells the priest that he thinks a miracle has happened round at his flat.
    He won’t say what it is but wants Fr Flannagan to see it with his own eyes. He brings Fr Flannagan into the kitchen and asks him what he sees on the floor.”

    ““Well,” says the priest, “it’s pretty obvious what we have here. Someone dropped some buttered toast, and then for some reason flipped it over so that the butter was on top.”” “No, Father, I dropped it and it landed like that.”
    “Well,” Fr Flannagan says, “it’s certainly a natural law of the universe that dropped toast never falls butter side up. But it’s not for me to say it’s a miracle. I’ll report the matter to the bishop, and have him send people round, to interview you, take photos, etc.”
    An investigation of some rigour is conducted, not only by priests of the archdiocese but by scientists sent from the Curia in Rome. The final ruling is a negative, however. It reads:
    ““It was certainly an extraordinary event that occurred in Murphy’s room, quite outside the normal run of the phenomena.
    Yet we have to be very cautious before ruling any happening miraculous, ruling out all possible natural explanations.
    In this case we declared no miracle. For it was possibly the result of Murphy, who buttered the toast on the wrong side!!.”

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  182. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    Paddy and Colleen were making passionate love in Paddy’s minivan when suddenly Colleen, being a bit on the kinky side, yells out, “Oh big boy, whip me, whip me!”

    Paddy, not wanting to pass up this unique opportunity, obviously did not have any whips on hand, but in a flash of inspiration, he opens the window, snaps the antenna off his van and proceeds to whip Colleen until they both collapse in ecstasy.

    About a week later, Colleen notices that the marks left by the whipping are starting to fester a bit so she goes to the doctor. The doctor takes one look at the wounds and asks, “Did you get these marks having sex?”

    Colleen, a little embarrassed that she has slept with Paddy (let alone that she allowed the kinky boy to whip her) eventually admits that, yes, she did.

    Nodding his head knowingly, the doctor exclaims, “I thought so, because in all my years as a doctor, you’ve got the worst case of van aerial disease that I’ve ever seen!!!!.”

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  183. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (6,900 comments) says:
    June 10th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
    “You can totally divine who “Griff” is”
    Someone who knows told me you have at least three or four accounts on Kiwiblog, so whatever down ticks I may get I know that three or four of them came from you, you cheating coward.

    Complete BS even by your standards
    ” Someone who knows” must either; work for DPF in which case Griff would be banned, or be Griff himself.
    Zero credibility with that claim and smacks of desperation to even suggest it

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  184. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    A guy is browsing in a pet shop, and sees a parrot sitting
    on a little perch.
    It doesn’t have any feet or legs.

    The guy says aloud, ‘Jeesh, I wonder what happened to
    this parrot.?’
    The parrot says, ‘I was born this way. I’m a defective parrot.’
    ‘Holy crap,’ the guy replies. ‘You actually understood and answered me. !’

    ‘I got every word,’ says the parrot. ‘I happen to be a highly intelligent, and a thoroughly educated bird’

    ‘Oh yeah?’ the guy asks. ‘Then answer this, how do you hang onto your perch, without any feet.?’

    ‘Well,’ the parrot says, ‘this is very embarrassing, but since you asked, I wrap my weenie around this wooden bar,
    like a little hook. You can’t see it, because of my feathers.’

    ‘Wow,’ says the guy. ‘You really can understand, and can speak English, can’t you.?’

    ‘Actually, I speak both Spanish and English, and I can converse with reasonable competence on almost any topic,
    politics, religion, sports, physics, philosophy. I’m especially good at ornithology. You really ought to buy me, I’d be a great companion.’
    The guy looks at the $200.00 price tag. ‘Sorry, but I just can’t afford that.’
    ‘Pssssssst,’ says the parrot, ‘I’m defective, so the truth is, nobody wants me, cause I don’t have any feet. You can probably get me for $20, just make the guy an offer.!’

    The guy offers $20, and walks out with the parrot.

    Weeks go by. The parrot is sensational.

    He has a great sense of humor, he’s interesting, he’s a great pal, he understands everything, he sympathizes, and
    he’s insightful.
    The guy is delighted.
    One day the guy comes home from work, and the parrot goes , ‘Psssssssssssst,’ and motions him over with one wing.

    ‘I don’t know if I should tell you this or not, but it’s about your wife, and the UPS man.’

    ‘What are you talking about,?’ asks the guy.

    ‘When the UPS man delivered a package today, your wife greeted him at the door, in a sheer black nightie.’

    ‘WHAT???’ the guy asks incredulously.

    ‘THEN what happened?’

    ‘Well, then the UPS man came into the house, and lifted up her nightie, and began petting her all over,’ reported
    the parrot.

    ‘NO!’ he exclaims, ‘and she let him.?’ ‘Yes. Then he continued taking off the nightie, got down
    on his knees, and began to kiss her all over.’

    Then the frantic guy demands, ‘THEN WHAT HAPPENED.?’

    DUNNO?!? I got a hard-on, and fell off my perch.!’

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  185. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    Couple of scumbags aged 12 and 13 being spoken to regarding murder of shop owner in Henderson this morning..both known to Police..bets on which tribe they are from ?

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  186. big bruv (13,699 comments) says:

    Sadly an honest shop keeper going about his business was murdered in Henderson this morning, the police are interviewing two boys aged 12 and 13. So far that is all we know.

    However, given the usual form in matters like this I am prepared to wager that the boys being interviewed are;

    1. Gang Prospects.
    2. Maori.

    Now, while all those who rush to down tick me or call me racist are perfectly entitled to do so I hope that you come back when I am proved right and apologise.

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  187. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    A simple explanation of how faith works: :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q6ytl8ht8vyjaem/Faith%2010.png

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  188. adze (2,086 comments) says:

    ‘I am a -political when it comes to the law. I do not belong to any political party. I am by the way a long term Labour Party supporter who helped Trevor Mallard in his first campaign in Hutt South.

    Hmm, so where was Mr. McCready when Labour resolutely refused to sack Taito Philip Field while he was before the court for corruption (prior to his subsequent conviction)?

    Where was he when Labour and NZ First breached electoral law on multiple occasions?

    How can he say on the one hand he is “apolitical” yet in the same breath confess he is a long time Labour supporter?? It sounds like he is cut from the same cloth as the anti-corruptionNational campaigner, Penny Bright. :)

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  189. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    Zero chance of taking a private prosecution against a Labour Minister then? Does that include Mayor Len Brown, as a Labour supporter then? Best the police get on to it quick smart.

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  190. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    Afraid you are right BB..couple of feral scum dirt bags with equally feral scum so called parents. Bound to be maori or PI.

    Absolute oxygen thieves. Nothing short of the noose once they are found guilty.

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  191. big bruv (13,699 comments) says:

    dirty harry

    I would be genuinely surprised if the low life are PI’s.

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  192. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    L,R & C

    Nadal could go close to Federer’s record- all depends on injuries/how his body holds up really..
    Djokovic is a fine player also- Could consider himself slightly unlucky to be playing in the Nadal/Fed era?

    Enjoy these pics of Maria celebrating while you mull it over

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2652204/Shes-winner-Triumphant-Maria-Sharapova-holds-trophy-Paris-one-day-winning-French-Open-final.html

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  193. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    we shall watch this space BB..

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  194. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    Scientists have found that married couples share similar DNA.

    ( We’re awaiting confirmation that the survey was conducted in Christchurch.) :)

    Ref: http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20140519/saying-i-do-because-of-similar-dna

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  195. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    Yet another Yankee rwnj goes postal.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/06/09/las-vegas-shooters-had-expressed-anti-government-views-prepared-for-lengthy-gun-battle/
    The one good point is these extreme rightwing nutwhacks seem to be exceedingly accomplished at suicide by police bullet.
    One hopes that the more extreme views posted on KB are not the signs of a kiwi copycat weirdo winding towards the same conclusion.
    I do believe that our political blogs are monitored and there is probably a file on some of us including “Griff” somewhere in the bowels of the sis

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  196. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    ….”One hopes that the more extreme views posted on KB are not the signs of a kiwi copycat weirdo winding towards the same conclusion.”….

    I’ve covered that Griff. We’ve got a unit permanently stationed watching Baity’s unit at the Devonport Rd pensioner flats. :)

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  197. adze (2,086 comments) says:

    @nasska

    Heh, that reminds me of davinci’s bit of satirical fan fiction about Red, done in the style of a commando war comic describing progressive commies “handwringing their way towards his position” :)

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  198. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    I reckon that was one of the best windups I have ever read on Kiwiblog.

    The man has talent. :)

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  199. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    Kaching
    After my little session of whackobaiting redbaiter I was trying not to be so blunt
    We don’t want to be the ones who drove the poor old dude over the edge.
    who knows what damage he could do with his Zimmer frame and an often patched Sarah Palin blow up doll.
    One shudders to think of the potential injury’s inflicted on a poor unsuspecting progg hippie Marxist scum sucker quietly going about his business.

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  200. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    This one adze: :)

    thedavincimode (6,229 comments) says:
    January 16th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Meanwhile, across the Pacific, somewhere in the mid West –

    Red “Judgement Day’ baiter lept to his feet, the M60 snug against His hip. Almost nonchalantly, He thrust His left foot forward against the dying leftist scum prostrate before Him and braced Himself before squeezing the trigger. The M60 commie killer leapt into life chattering into an ear-splitting crescendo while it spewed a torrent of HOT LEAD at the anti-democracy progressive leftist homo scum hand-wringing themselves towards His position. The ammo belt slid over His lightly greased left forearm. Almost inexplicably it occurred to him that although KY was the first thing He always packed when going away with His boys in case He got into a tight situation, this use wasn’t what He’d originally had in mind.

    Almost as suddenly as it had leapt into life, the M60 stopped. The ‘death click’. A hail of angry HOT LEAD immediately descended on him; whining, cursing and spitting at him. “Like those lefty progressive scum on Kiwiblog” He thought. He stood there for a moment longer; defiantly, before ducking to cover. What to do now? “RELOAD”, Sarah’s voice seemed to hiss in his ear.

    He turned to His companion for another belt of LEAD DEATH, only to find him cowering in the dirt, jabbering incoherently. “Kris, Kris, of all people” he cursed.

    He grimaced and slumped, head in hands. It wasn’t the temple wound. “Hell, it was just a flesh wound” He muttered to Himself. The bullet had gone straight through and exited cleanly out the other side. He knew that as long as he kept a level head there would be no further blood loss. “I get worse headaches reading Kiwiblog” He snorted to himself.

    No, it wasn’t the temple wound. It was the realisation, whoops, “realization” He corrected himself, that yet again He was the only One holding the line. “First those soft-cocks from Westboro Baptist didn’t even front at the LZ as promised. Some bullshit about a bring-a-cake fund-raiser. And now Kris”. An almost overwhelming sense of desolation and despair threatened to drown him.

    But then he felt it. The sudden warmth emanating from his left breast where He had taped Sarah’s swimsuit photo. “Would She get my letter?” He wondered, thinking of the envelope also taped over His heart and addressed: ‘To Be Opened in the Event of My Glorious Death in a Hail of HOT LEAD Whilst Killing Marxist Scum’. “Would She do the eulogy? What if She had a conflicting appointment at the hairdresser?” “Would She tweet?”

    He shook himself back to his senses. “No time for that; you’re carrying on like some progressive homo scum”.

    He poised, knowing what awaited him Him but also knowing that He would take a lot more of them with Him. But before He could leap to His feet for the final defiant charge to glory, a familiar voice interrupted Him.

    “Russell, for the tenth time your dinner is ready. And its the 16th today and if you haven’t put the rubbish out and done the dishes by nine o’clock, then you can go without it for another month …”

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  201. big bruv (13,699 comments) says:

    adze

    Do you gave a link to that brilliant bit of writing?

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  202. adze (2,086 comments) says:

    For those who haven’t seen said talent in action: :)

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/01/general_debate_16_january_2011.html#comment-785170

    Edit: Ah, I see nasska’s already beaten me to the punch.

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  203. stigie (1,060 comments) says:

    Brilliant piece from Davinci. Didnt know he had a Sarah Palin blowup doll though….This takes it to another level !~

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  204. wreck1080 (3,865 comments) says:

    If a 13 year old commits murder in NZ, what is the punishment?

    eg, like todays case where a 13 year old ‘allegedly’ killed a dairy owner with a knife during a botched hold up.

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  205. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    I thought you knew stigie. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/08oclwn5uzt29kq/Doll%207.jpg

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  206. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    nasska (10,122 comments) says:

    June 10th, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    Perhaps it rubs off on each other :) lol

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  207. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    http://www.cyc-net.org/features/ft-bailey.html
    There is one case of a child being convicted of manslaughter Bailey Junior Kurariki
    The cops fucked up and his confession for the murder was squashed
    he was done for seven years

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  208. Odakyu-sen (574 comments) says:

    A 13-year-old boy has been charged with murder over today’s death of Auckland dairy owner Arun Kumar.

    The Herald reported that Mr Tuapiki (a local man), “said he wasn’t surprised to hear the incident was a stabbing, because a youth had been threatening people on the street with a large knife yesterday afternoon, asking for cigarettes.”

    And none of them passed this information on to the police, it seems.

    I wonder whether the 13-year old is some skinny teen or a beefy, 90 kg, 1.80-cm-tall man-child…

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  209. stigie (1,060 comments) says:

    Yea, that dropbox photo has jogged my memory now Nasska…at least she wont argue back and be abusive !~

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  210. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    He’ll be a coon of course Odakyu-sen. But we’re not allowed to take that into consideration when making assumptions about the relative value of ethnic division to the going forward of Godzone! :)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10138899/Boy-charged-with-shopkeepers-murder

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  211. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Bound to be maori or PI.

    Changes are high, in which case the whanau will claim they are good, exemplary boys.

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  212. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    stigie

    We only found out about it when he started crying one day after an excessively enthusiastic session of worship punctured it.
    .Please never mention seeing Russia as it results in red taking to the doll again and always ends in yet another puncture for the poor inflatable.

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  213. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    Will be our youngest murderers if found convicted? Last one was more lookout I think but equally culpable? Maybe the twelve year old a google search throws up numerous 13 year olds.

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  214. Odakyu-sen (574 comments) says:

    Johnboy, who knows.

    Let’s see where this story goes. Maybe some good may come of it in the end, such as greater community involvement and greater powers to individuals to take initiatives in looking after their neighbourhoods.

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  215. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    Begs the question regarding murderers and rehabilitation I guess and being accepted back into normal society after sentence end or are the words normal and murderer an oxymoron? What on earth do you do with kids of that age.

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  216. Odakyu-sen (574 comments) says:

    “What on earth do you do with kids of that age.”

    It may be too late by then.

    The campaign must engage the people who would produce such children.

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  217. goldnkiwi (1,259 comments) says:

    We no longer live in the age of enlightenment, it is now the age of entitlement.

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  218. itstricky (1,770 comments) says:

    Now, while all those who rush to down tick me or call me racist are perfectly entitled to do so

    Or they could just ignore you. Isn’t that the best way to correct behaviour in a petulant kid who doesn’t quite understand that some things are just wrong?

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  219. Aussie Aussie Aussie (22 comments) says:

    Who funds this Forum?

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  220. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Roadlice report:

    So I’m cycling along a main road at around 30km/h late at night – and one clown in a 4WD catches me – ok – and then fucking sits behind me – WTF is this prick fuckin doing mate ?? He’s done 50 or whatever – seen me – and now what – he’s driving at 30 sitting behind me ? Fucking queer cunt. I stare backwards at this idiot – like – hello – I’m not thick I know you’re there being some kind of weirdo fuckwit – and finally he drives on. Some of these headcases are unbelievable. That’s rude in my book stalking behind a cyclist at 30km/h in your 4WD – fuck off eh ? No reason for it that I can think of. I hate weirdos like that.

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  221. Left Right and Centre (2,932 comments) says:

    Longknives – yep – fascinating to see how the next 2-3 years plays out for Nadal and to see how many he finishes with. All kinds of questions – things like – when will he have won his last French Open ? His last grand slam ? How long will he play on for ?

    Djokovic – unlucky – I don’t know how you go about deciding if he’s lucky or not – drop him into the 90s, would he have cleaned up against Sampras ? The 80s – Lendl, Becker and Edberg ? Hard to say.

    Sharapova just doesn’t do a lot for me. There’s better looking better presented chicks on the WTA – and after ‘getting to know’ her with interviews etc unfortunately she’s ‘become a person’ – she’s like one of the guys or something. You know that there’s dudes out there who would love to root her with her shrieking like she’s just cracked a crosscourt forehand winner eh ? Sickos.

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  222. big bruv (13,699 comments) says:

    itstricky

    Why would it be wrong to point out the truth?

    Or do you believe that if we don’t report Maori crime it will go away?

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  223. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    This will open your eyes.
    Best paying jobs around working for councils.
    100k no problem.

    http://www.ratepayersreport.co.nz/

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  224. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    big bruv.
    You may enjoy this FB page. Interesting photo’s etc.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Old-Lower-Hutt/624647914290150?fref=ts

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  225. big bruv (13,699 comments) says:

    V2

    Nice page, although the Hutt was not my old stomping ground.

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  226. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    Wasn’t sure. There is also one for Upper Hutt..
    Looks like its been a pleasant evening in Auckland.
    Bit like wellington eh?

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  227. big bruv (13,699 comments) says:

    V2

    A bit of rain but nothing like the Wellington winds.

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  228. itstricky (1,770 comments) says:

    Why would it be wrong to point out the truth?

    Or do you believe that if we don’t report Maori crime it will go away?

    Are you interested in fixing the over representation, or just moaning about it?

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  229. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    itstricky

    If the over representation is not reported how will we know what needs to be fixed?

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  230. itstricky (1,770 comments) says:

    And it will be reported, in this case and in general through crime statistics. How does broadcasting a stereotype to an audience before the facts are known help? Well that doesn’t of course. It just reinforces directly in minds, and therefore makes it more likely in the real world in subtle ways.

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  231. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    According to the news, the “whanau” was very vocal in support of the 13 y.o. savage murderer. Par for the course.

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