General Debate 15 June 2014

June 15th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. duggledog (1,332 comments) says:

    So the parents of the two boys involved in the west Auckland stabbing are criminals themselves
    Who would have thought?

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  2. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Abusive communist scum are now intergenerational in NZ. Lowlife with no idea of the meaningful traditions that used to underpin sport are now the norm at the rugby apparently.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11272092

    Mr Hitchen and his “really excited” 5- and 8-year-old daughters were seated in front of an unruly bunch of All Blacks supporters who were swearing and drinking.

    When Mr Hitchen asked them to use other, less colourful words, they turned their swearing on the young family.

    “After repeatedly asking the fans to mind their language, they replied with ‘who brings their kids to the f*****g rugby?’

    “One of them actually offered my five-year-old alcohol.”

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  3. Pete George (22,731 comments) says:

    In an uncharacteristically reasonable column at the Herald Martyn Bradbury promotes the bravery of putting abortion and cannabis into the campaign arena. He thinks this bravery deserves some votes, but the chances of either issue being supported by the major parties seems slim, unless Cunliffe does a yeah, nah, yeah.

    Faint hopes of addressing cannabis and abortion.

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  4. Pete George (22,731 comments) says:

    Bradbury on cannabis:

    At last year’s International Cannabis Policy Symposium in Auckland, Professor Richie Poulton pointed out that 10.3 per cent of users who smoke cannabis by age 15 go on to have psychotic disorders, whereas only 4.7 per cent of those who used cannabis by aged 18 went on to have psychotic disorders. The conclusion from the symposium was that cannabis isn’t the major health risk it’s been built up to be. If protecting adolescents from early cannabis use is the solution, prohibition is the problem.

    Regulation removes tinny houses near schools, prohibition builds them. Between 2007 and last year, 890 New Zealanders were jailed for possession of cannabis and 737 more have been imprisoned for possession of a bong.

    Our war on drugs has led us to the awkward position where the US is becoming more progressive on cannabis than we are.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11274164

    Current laws and how they are applied are not working well. We are being left behind as other countries look at how to address cannabis use better.

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    Another crisis has been averted, simply by the Labour Party and the Greens declaring a crisis. This time it’s the forestry sector, which is apparently booming at levels not seen for 20 years.

    Is there any chance Labour and the Greens could declare my personal finances to be in crisis? They seem to have the magic touch :D

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/another-crisis-averted.html

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  6. duggledog (1,332 comments) says:

    Anything Martin Bradbury is selling, I’m not buying. It’s a good rule of thumb PG.

    We’re not being ‘left behind’ wait till you see what cannabis does to Colorado. They’ll learn.

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  7. big bruv (13,209 comments) says:

    Bedwetter

    What the hell has that type of behaviour got to do with communist scum?

    For decades many fans of the NZ rugby team have been the most obnoxious on the planet, that type of behaviour is the norm, it has nothing to do at all with ones politics.

    These are the type of morons who would boo any opposition player who dared strike back at NZ dirty play yet remain silent when our own thugs attacked an opposition player. These are “fans” who idolise thugs such as Meads, Fitzpatrick, Loe, Shaw, and Skinner.

    No Bedwetter, when it comes to boorish behaviour at international rugby fixtures there is no political divide, indeed if rugby does have one remaining saving grace it is that it is still a game for the entire community, communist and capitalist alike.

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  8. Pete George (22,731 comments) says:

    Murray McCully denies any deal on him giving up his electorate to Colin Craig.

    Craig is hoping for a deal with National to give him a free run at one of three seats on Auckland’s North Shore in September’s election.

    East Coast Bays looms as his top option, and there are rumours that the sitting MP, Foreign Minister Murray McCully, may be offered a diplomatic post to ease him out.

    McCully said he was tired of rumours that a diplomatic post was in the offing.

    “I would rather saw off my left arm with a rusty screwdriver than be an ambassador anywhere. And I’m very attached to my left arm. Straight up, why would I want to do that? How would that ease the pain? I have never had any interest at all in a diplomatic appointment.”

    McCully says he has had “direct and colourful feedback from my constituents” on the subject of Craig.

    “I’ve never felt so popular as a local member since the news media started campaigning for my removal.” His message to them was that he intended to stick around.

    That’s not sounding hopeful for Craig.

    At their current support level a high-ranking minister suggested Fairfax should “not bet the ranch” on a deal to ease the way for Craig.

    McCully said yesterday he had no intention of stepping aside. “I am the National Party candidate for East Coast Bays and intend to campaign to win the seat.”
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10159390/No-easy-ride-on-the-Shore-for-Craig

    Craig is due to announce which seat he will stand for next week, but it is looking like his only hope is to go for 5% party vote. That will be difficult to achieve.

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  9. duggledog (1,332 comments) says:

    Rodney, National 20,000, Conservative 12,000. He’ll get his seat PG.

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  10. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    We all knew Labour were desperate, but greasing to murderous Muslims really takes the cake. Not only are they low, they are treasonous. No wonder Mikenwimp and his effeminate rainbow bludgers support them.

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  11. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    I wonder if anyone has done a definitive study of the effects of left-wing ideology on Aotearoa/NZ. Especially Maori renaissance; the treaty; deligitimising of white settler society; mass migration; multicultralism; the warping of the welfare state? Most of the agents would be state employees.

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  12. tvb (4,193 comments) says:

    But the MP Rodney is not playing Ball. Tricky stuff but National will solve it. Mr Goodfellow is quite skilful at sorting out party issues and so is John Key. Contrast the dreadful Boag woman who has one approach. I note she was Bank’s campaign manager for his 2010 campaign and the dumb attempt to hide the KDC donation.

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  13. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (6,969 comments) says:

    Agree with Redbaiter on that. What’s wrong with good behaviour/restraint? It’s called respect for others.

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  14. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    duggledog (1,226 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 8:31 am

    We’re not being ‘left behind’ wait till you see what cannabis does to Colorado. They’ll learn.

    yip result has been

    Five months ago, Colorado made history by being the first state in the US to legalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana. Opponents were worried that this decision would cause an increase in crime rates, but as sales of marijuana have been increasing, instances of crime have actually gone down in the state.

    Read more at http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/colorado-marijuana-sales-up-crime-down/#TVZ9CADk2i3YtghF.99
    Something to think about when you read of the next drunken idiots violent assaults.

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  15. Scott Chris (5,869 comments) says:

    wait till you see what cannabis does to Colorado. They’ll learn

    What, you mean they didn’t have cannabis in Colorado before decriminalisation?

    Fact is, Colorado’s decriminalisation of cannabis experiment is going better than expected.

    Violent crime is down. Property crime is down. Tourism is up. And all those alarmist stories about the ‘edibles’ escalation and pot related deaths and teens gettin’ hooked or hospitalised are put into perspective in the following article:

    http://www.vox.com/2014/6/3/5770342/no-legal-pot-hasnt-turned-colorado-into-a-crime-ridden-wasteland

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  16. duggledog (1,332 comments) says:

    Griff, alcohol is its own problem. Crime rates have probably gone down because everyone is now watching Oprah and thinking it’s frickin amazing.

    Let’s wait a couple of years, until productivity in that state has gone through the floor and they’re all on welfare or gibbering idiots or criminally insane – like large portions of New Zealand.

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  17. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    :lol:
    Again the failure to actually examine the damage caused by the alternative alcohol.
    Our asylums are full of drunks as are our hospitals A&E wards and the courts, jails and graveyards.

    Chronic excess alcohol intake, or alcohol dependence, can lead to a wide range of neuropsychiatric or neurological impairment, cardiovascular disease, liver disease, and malignant neoplasms. The psychiatric disorders which are associated with alcoholism include major depression, dysthymia, mania, hypomania, panic disorder, phobias, generalized anxiety disorder, personality disorders, schizophrenia, suicide, neurologic deficits (e.g. impairments of working memory, emotions, executive functions, visuospatial abilities and gait and balance) and brain damage. Alcohol dependence is associated with hypertension, coronary heart disease, and ischemic stroke, cancer of the respiratory system, and also cancers of the digestive system, liver, breast and ovaries. Heavy drinking is associated with liver disease, such as cirrhosis.[16] Excessive alcohol consumption can have a negative impact on aging.

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  18. Scott Chris (5,869 comments) says:

    Yeah no doubt those black-shirted foul mouthed rugby fans had to be communist scum.

    Back when Reddy used to frequent the terraces there was alcohol and fighting and testosterone and rivalry……

    but never never never was there any foul language, and the referee was always complimented on the fine decisions he made and the home crowd would sit in absolute silence as visiting team’s kickers carefully lined up their shots at goal and the Partridge Family and the Brady Bunch would be frequent patrons and the Waltons would nearly always come back home for cookies and milk after the final whistle.

    Ahh those were the days.

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  19. holysheet (263 comments) says:

    We can all relax now. The next govt will be national.
    During the week I have conducted a simple poll of over 700 people at the fieldays.
    I have the closest car parking to the centre of the fieldays. For the option of getting away faster at night( some save about 1 to 1/2 hours) punters pay $5 the park on my property.
    When I told them next year, it was going up to $10 the question was why?
    My reply was that we are going to have a liabore/gween/crim.com govt come the next election, and all prices will be going up and the country will be in the shit.
    To my surprise not one person had anything good to say abut the coalition of the mad.
    And before someone says these were all rich prick farmers, think again. Most were exhibitors and their workers. (Most of the really rich pricks in the flash bmw’s audis jeeps 4wd etc refused to part with their $5 and went and parked away down the public parking)

    From my observations and conversations with theses people the country will return a national govt.

    I even had Dianne Yates the local liabore MP park there. It took a lot of self control not to cover her car in shit I can tell you. Still her $5 was as good as the next persons

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  20. wat dabney (3,655 comments) says:

    Er, Griff. You try to justify your general anti-alcohol position by citing a piece which deals with “Chronic excess alcohol intake.”

    Twat.

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  21. Colville (2,058 comments) says:

    redbaiter.
    If Dad with kids didnt want to be around people who were drinking why didnt they buy tickets to the family section of the stand? That is what it is there for.

    big bruv.
    All Blacks fans dont even get into the top 10 on the obnoxious scale. Ever been to a premier leauge match in England? you fear for your life walking to and from the park. When was the last time an All Blacks supporter stabbed a Wallababies supporter in the pub? Soccer thugs stab/bash each other every weekend in UK.

    Pete George.
    I think it is utterly guttless grandstanding of the Greens to put up abortion and pot this far out from the election. If they wanted a decent debate they would have raised both issues 18 months ago.

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  22. David Garrett (6,308 comments) says:

    How totally unsurprising…the parents of the two “children” accused of murdering the Indian shopkeeper are themselves criminals, and Dad is currently in jail. I would have bet the farm on that…No information on gang affiliations, but that’s probable too…

    There is pretty much zero hope for young kids whose role models are violent criminals…But here we sit, refusing to take the kids at birth, refusing to consider even voluntary sterilization …and fostering the breeding of more killer children by handing out welfare without conditions…Scary thing is, NO political party in NZ will ever grasp the thorny nettle…

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  23. Colville (2,058 comments) says:

    holysheet.
    I hope you remember to declare that $3500 of cash !
    GCSB is watching you ! :-)

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  24. stigie (887 comments) says:

    “Agree with Redbaiter on that. What’s wrong with good behaviour/restraint? It’s called respect for others.”

    Nothing wrong with the good behaviour/restraint statement hj, just the stupid statement from Reddy calling them communists.
    How the hell would he know, they could have been National/Labour/Green or even Conservative supporters, or dont even vote at all !~

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  25. holysheet (263 comments) says:

    Its alright colville, it wasn’t that many cars, I was talking to the passengers as well.
    Most cars had at least 3 people in them

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  26. Pete George (22,731 comments) says:

    “I think it is utterly guttless grandstanding of the Greens to put up abortion and pot this far out from the election.”

    I don’t think so, I doubt it will be a significant election issue so they are just feeding abortion into the mix of policies they are progressively releasing.

    It wasn’t the Greens who brought up pot, that was the Internet Party.

    It’s been known for a long time that Greens support reforming cannabis law but they don’t put much priority on it. See Greens on cannabis.

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  27. duggledog (1,332 comments) says:

    Griff it’s pointless mentioning alcohol in the same sense as cannabis. Everyone knows booze causes horrendous problems, so what?

    In the same defeatist attitude Obama has with the NRA, NZ has just put cannabis control into the too hard basket and now we are one of the highest cannabis using nations in the world. And people still wonder where their jobs are.

    The published and broadcast rhetoric around decriminalisation always comes from the articulate lovelies who had a bit of a blast on it in their youth at Uni, but were able to put it aside and carry on with their upwardly mobile middle class lives. Their endorsements are f***ing irresponsible and careless.

    You seldom hear from the community leaders in all the desperately poor areas of New Zealand like the Far North and the East Cape, Central etc where inter-generational, long term cannabis use has utterly decimated everything except sales of red yellow and green beanies and Bob Marley CDs.

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  28. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    Many posters on here would be within the bounds of that description.
    bottle of wine a day? a drink every day?
    Chronic alcohol consumption by international standards.

    New Zealand:
    To reduce long-term health risks,

    men 3/day (30 g/day); 15/week (150 g/week); At least two alcohol-free days every week[13] To reduce risk of injury per occasion: 5 standard drinks (50 g) on any single occasion.
    woman 2/day (20 g/day); 10/week (100 g/week); At least two alcohol-free days per week[13] To reduce risk of injury per occasion, 4 standard drinks (40 g) on any single occasion

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  29. MT_Tinman (2,984 comments) says:

    stigie (762 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 9:19 am
    “Agree with Redbaiter on that. What’s wrong with good behaviour/restraint? It’s called respect for others.”

    Nothing wrong with the good behaviour/restraint statement hj, just the stupid statement from Reddy calling them communists.
    How the hell would he know, they could have been National/Labour/Green or even Conservative supporters, or dont even vote at all !~

    Given the reluctance of the left to pay for any-fucking-thing themselves (including match tickets) I’d suggest they were more likely CCCP supporters than communists.

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  30. wiseowl (751 comments) says:

    Watching Helen Kelly on Q+A just confirmed that Colin Craig is worth big support this year.

    All these people like her and Susan Wood and the political Scientist and the rest that have pea brains and an inability to delve past the superficial media beat ups of people who they don’t like, make one genuinely concerned about where we are heading.

    It was great that Steven Franks was there to give a rational, thoughtful response.

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  31. Odakyu-sen (439 comments) says:

    “Agree with Redbaiter on that. What’s wrong with good behaviour/restraint? It’s called respect for others.”

    As of 9:33 a.m. this morning, this comment had 1 Like and 5 Dislikes.

    How could reasonable, civilized people not “Like” Redbaiter’s comment. (Or is the Pavlovian reflex when presented with “Redbaiter” too strong for some to overcome?)

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  32. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    A barbarian, a true savage, speaks: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/isis-leader-see-you-in-new-york.html

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  33. wat dabney (3,655 comments) says:

    Duggle,

    The problems caused by Prohibition are vastly more horrendous than any negative effects of drugs and alcohol.

    You seldom hear from the community leaders in all the desperately poor areas of New Zealand like the Far North and the East Cape, Central etc where inter-generational, long term cannabis use has utterly decimated everything except sales of red yellow and green beanies and Bob Marley CDs.

    So Prohibition has completely failed anyway.

    And your solution? Prohibition!

    Brilliant.

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  34. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    You blind fools need to wake up and realise that communism is now the default political position for most in NZ, and that is a result that can be blamed on the demoralisation (look it up) that is an essential component of any communist community.

    With a moral base, people are less inclined to steal from their neighbour or blame others for the shortcomings of society. With those attitudes out of the way, communism can take root and grow.

    You can see it in the responses above. people condoning or excusing this kind of lowlife scum and their behaviour because they’ve got no moral base.

    Talk to your grandmothers. They remember the time when this didn’t happen. Forty of fifty years has seen this country slide deep into the communist chasm, and the behaviour of rugby crowds is another symptom of the generational decline and decay that communism brings.

    The irony is that rugby was part of the civil society, and like cricket, intended to give kids who played it a grounding in how to play the game of life. With courage and decency and respect for others.

    That is almost completely gone, and the commies, meaning most of the idiots who write here (like Stigie for example) don’t even know what they have become. The proverbial frogs in the slowly warming water. Because the degeneration is so widespread, its accepted as the norm.

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  35. Scott Chris (5,869 comments) says:

    Possibly some good news for the West Coast economy:

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/oil-discovered-near-greymouth-6003025

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  36. dirty harry (416 comments) says:

    Hit the nail on the head again DG. We let these feral scum breed more feral scum. In a way, the murder of the Indian shopkeeper is our fault.

    Sterilization of the filth..its the way forward.

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  37. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    Thugby has always had a thuggish element red you live in a dream world.
    You don’t even know what Communism is
    New Zealand is one of the most free market economy’s in the world it is also one of the most free by all alliterative ratings.
    Fuck off to Singapore and spurt your crap on blogs ffs you would be canned on the arse within weeks.

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  38. Komata (1,105 comments) says:

    Scott

    Great news; at last oil in commercially-viable quantities has actually been found (its been known about for over a century).

    Based-upon previous events/scenario’s let’s all now sit back and watch (the mostly out of town) Gweens, DoC, Forest and Bird, Grey Power et al (the usual suspects along with ‘rent a mob’), ‘conveniently’ find snails, lizards et al (insert ‘threatened critter of choice) on and around the drilling site and do their best to completely close everything down, before departing back to ‘wherever’ (using fossil fuel for the purpose, BTW).

    They’ve done it before, so why should this time be any different?

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  39. ross411 (220 comments) says:

    Another day has passed where Labour’s chief of staff Matt McCarten’s admitted fraudulent thievery of taxpayer money, given to the Labour party, is still not acted upon by the police or the IRD.

    The lesson here is that the IRD will let you give away your employees tax money for the year (or even over many years), as long as you give it to the Labour party. Could this be any more corrupt? Does David Cunliffe sanction this?

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  40. Scott Chris (5,869 comments) says:

    How could reasonable, civilized people not “Like” Redbaiter’s comment.

    What, that he was claiming the spectators were communist scum? Or that sports arenas should become more family friendly and politically correct?

    Yeah, what’s not to like :roll:

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  41. wiseowl (751 comments) says:

    hj@8.46am
    That would be a great PhD paper but no New Zealand University would allow anyone to work on it.

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  42. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    ” How could reasonable, civilized people not “Like” Redbaiter’s comment. ”

    Ancient Spanish proverb- “He who speaks the truth must have one foot in the stirrup.”

    IOW, commies don’t like being told they’re commies.

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  43. dirty harry (416 comments) says:

    Just saw(H) Alan Clark on Hard Talk..the hideous man beast..nothing a paper bag wouldn’t fix. Nasty critter.

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  44. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “sports arenas should become more family friendly and politically correct?”

    That’s just the problem.

    They are “politically correct” you piece of Marxist crap.

    According to the degenerate political standards you enforce.

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  45. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    Wayne Britttenden’s Counterpoint is on the US Prison system. He doesn’t like private prisons. Recons Norway has the answer (Norway doesn’t have blacks)? I note he didn’t mention Japan. Non incarceration is only an option if the alternative works.
    Wallace follows up with tame interview?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1384308/Norways-controversial-cushy-prison-experiment–.

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  46. dirty harry (416 comments) says:

    Congrats Colin , you deserve a place. All power to you.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10156750/Craig-confident-just-a-matter-of-which-seat

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  47. Dead Earnest (91 comments) says:

    Holy Sheet, sadly everyone attending Mystery Creek is connected with the back bone of the country, and know what the word work means and it connection with wealth creation.
    Try running your suvey in Upper Cuba Street, or outside Winz in Otahuhu.

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  48. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    BTW Stigie, you knuckle dragging little commie cretin, I can guarantee you they would not have been Conservative Party supporters.

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  49. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    That Norway experiment might work because prison is a denormalising experience. So we view the prisoner as a like a leaf pressed in a book and they see themselves that way?

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  50. Scott Chris (5,869 comments) says:

    They are “politically correct” you piece of Marxist crap.

    BTW Stigie, you knuckle dragging little commie cretin

    Ahh don’t you miss the days when people were polite to each other?

    Bit of good old fashioned courtesy wouldn’t go amiss Reddy :)

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  51. Urban_Redneck (51 comments) says:

    Sterilization is not the way forward – it’s just an excuse for more invasive, authoritarian top down government to fix problems created by government in the first place. The real problem is that our culture has been systematically poisioned by Progressivism for the last many decades . . . welfarism, fatherlessness, drug and alcohol abuse, promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, poor educational outcomes, lack of moral boundaries are all examples of the rotten fruit Progressivism bears.

    The two giants which have destroyed marriage in the last four decades have been 1),”no fault” unilateral divorce – and the custody / property settlements that accompany it and, 2), the enormous state subsidies given to fatherless families. Anyone who seriously wishes to re-establish a self-managing, moral society that doesn’t rely on a big government lording over it will need to reverse these two areas.

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  52. stigie (887 comments) says:

    What guarantee have you got Reddy ?…Another stupid statement !~

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  53. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    Remember the last christian conservative party red ?
    Many in nz do
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10335923
    Standing in the dock with shoulders slumped and jaw quivering, Graham Capill looked a broken man.

    The former morals campaigner was yesterday reduced to little more than a self-loathing man in a nice suit as he was sentenced to nine years’ imprisonment for multiple sexual offences, including rape, against three young girls.
    —-
    In an email Capill sent a dozen friends the night before he pleaded guilty to these crimes, the former party leader turned police prosecutor tried to downplay his actions by suggesting the sexual abuse with one of the girls was consensual.

    “The law, as it has been explained to me, seems so different to what the Biblical law and indeed common perceptions are of rape,” he wrote.

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  54. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “Bit of good old fashioned courtesy wouldn’t go amiss”

    Yeah, be polite to the scum who have caused all of this decay.

    That’ll work.

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  55. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    “Of course, Norway is one of the wealthiest, most sparsely populated and most stable countries in the world, with a population of just five million, and a prison population fluctuating around 3,500 inmates, the lowest percentage in Europe apart from Iceland; surely a special case.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1384308/Norways-controversial-cushy-prison-experiment–catch-UK.html#ixzz34ebvAFZ9
    Like here (except for the diversity dividend); our wise Government (under John Key) is changing that, no!?

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  56. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “What guarantee have you got Reddy ?”

    A brain that allows me to learn the difference between a Communist and a Conservative.

    Pity you’ll never accomplish that simple milestone Stigie.

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  57. Scott Chris (5,869 comments) says:

    Yeah, be polite

    Only pointing out one of the values you espouse but fail to live up to you blind twit.

    People like Fletch or Lucia Maria may have the same wacky ideas that you do but at least they attempt to live up to their ideals.

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  58. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Check out the anti-Conservative Party comments at Kwiblog, Whaleoil, The Standard and The Daily Blog.

    All the same, because apart from a few sparsely situated thinkers, they’re all commies.

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  59. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “Only pointing out one of the values you espouse but fail to live up to you blind twit.”

    Get this and remember it well. I’m never going to be polite to the vile scum whose intent is to enslave me. You’re damn lucky its all you have to complain about.

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  60. big bruv (13,209 comments) says:

    “Get this and remember it well. I’m never going to be polite to the vile scum whose intent is to enslave me.”

    Yet you seek to enslave others who do not want to live by your rules.

    What a fucking hypocrite you are.

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  61. stigie (887 comments) says:

    I can sense a meltdown coming on chaps !~

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  62. David Garrett (6,308 comments) says:

    Urban: I pretty much agree with you – although I do believe people like the “parents” of these two alleged killers would jump at $5000 to get themselves cut. And, as I memorably said four years ago here, that would be ludicrously cheap compared with what their progeny will cost us…and that is not even considering the tragic human cost…

    Lets look at these two (assuming they are found guilty)…prison at $90k a year for 10-15 years…when they emerge aged in their 20′s they will be clones of Bailey Junior Kuraraiki, no matter what the authorities try while they are in prison…back inside almost certainly, probably for more violence, perhaps even another killing. And you can bet your arse they are not the only progeny of the parents…so a couple or several younger thugs creating havoc at some primary school ready to follow in their younger brothers’ footsteps..

    The other things you mention? sure…but which political party is going to change the “no fault” divorce laws or presumption of equal division of property? Just not going to happen…

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  63. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Yawn.

    The low IQ Big Bigot, with his endless strategy of strawmen arguments.

    Might have worked on that forum where you had 15 different identities Bigot, but it doesn’t work with me.

    Just FO.

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  64. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “Just not going to happen.”

    It won’t if people listen to quitters.

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  65. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    Snap.
    Its already happening.
    Best reddy go have a quite lie down and a nice handful of Valium.

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  66. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    David Garrett (5,774 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    How totally unsurprising…the parents of the two “children” accused of murdering the Indian shopkeeper are themselves criminals, and Dad is currently in jail. I would have bet the farm on that…No information on gang affiliations, but that’s probable too…
    ….
    As I said yesterday on The Panel last Friday Chris Trotter on the What’s on your mind? section Chris noted how vulnerable the shopkeeper were but he also brought up “both parents working” and so you wonder at the world view of participants in the national debate. If only we could look in the other parties mind we might see a completely different movie. I’ve listened to some very smart people who make statements that make me think their judgements about the real world are off. Once I heard Mai chen say that at the time of Foreshore and seabed there was danger of a Maori uprising. The danger is that some of the intellectuals get us in the crap (like the great multicultural experiment). If you shoot through school (top of class) off to Harvard and live in academic rarefied air, despite your academic outpourings, you are in danger of being out of touch.

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  67. duggledog (1,332 comments) says:

    Wat Dabney

    You can hardly say cannabis has been prohibited in NZ. It’s been frowned upon, nothing more. So the argument prohibition hasn’t worked is not an argument.

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  68. hj (6,330 comments) says:

    Agree with Redbaiter on that. What’s wrong with good behaviour/restraint? It’s called respect for others.
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    ….
    O.k so it’s part of the culture but comes at a cost.We see a carry over when the students have a monster party and take on the police. The neighbours can’t up and leave. The sanctity of the neighbourhood is violated.

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  69. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “So the argument prohibition hasn’t worked is not an argument.”

    Correct. These idiot Libertarians keep pushing this lie when there are many places in the world where drug prohibition has worked. All you need is the will, and as Duggledog says, there is no will in NZ.

    Sad really that there are so many knuckle dragging commie losers who see access to mind altering substances as the most important thing in their miserable empty lives.

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  70. wiseowl (751 comments) says:

    Go take a jump Griff.

    Trying to link the Conservative Party to that story is continuing the low blows because you can’t face the fact that there are actually people out there that have principles and integrity and want to vote for someone who represents that.

    I hope he gets 10% party vote to shove it up the denigrating comments from people like you.

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  71. duggledog (1,332 comments) says:

    DG – not in our lifetimes maybe, but NZ’s attitude to nurturing ferals will change eventually. See I always thought Rangi Walker’s assertion this country’s racial problems would be solved in the nation’s bedrooms was short term, not long term and was only fit for the time.

    The nation’s racial problems, which have now become ‘Tangata Whenua V Everyone Else’ will have their natural conclusion once Asian immigration reaches a tipping point. Romans V Druids. Who lost?

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  72. Urban_Redneck (51 comments) says:

    Just not going to happen…

    Oh well, in that instance, nothing is going to change. A successful and prosperous society requires its individuals to exercise some inculcated self-restraint if it is not to descend into a chasm of barbarism and nihilism (kind of the original point RB was making about the rugby supporters), and Progressivism thru government policies has done major damage in these areas. And throwing money and big government at the problem certainly won’t fix it.

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  73. holysheet (263 comments) says:

    Dead earnest said
    sadly everyone attending Mystery Creek is connected with the back bone of the country, and know what the word work means and it connection with wealth creation.
    Try running your suvey in Upper Cuba Street, or outside Winz in Otahuhu.

    Actually most of these parkers were workers, on food catering sites, starting there prior to the opening of the fieldays, arriving in beat up cars. Not the typical fieldays visitor.
    It surprised me that they all had the same impression of the mad coalition as I have.

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  74. MT_Tinman (2,984 comments) says:

    David Garrett do children qualify for strike sentences?

    I suspect these two will be out committing mayhem well inside 10 years. A strike would mean at least then they’d get real punishment and NZ would get real protection.

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  75. MT_Tinman (2,984 comments) says:

    Holysheat

    To my surprise not one person had anything good to say abut the coalition of the mad.

    Not even Yates?

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  76. duggledog (1,332 comments) says:

    Redbaiter

    I would warrant that if we had an attitude towards punishment for drug supply and use even half as ‘draconian’ (read ‘common sensical”) as they do in Malaysia, why then drug abuse and gang activity would vanish overnight.

    But instead what we have here is a bob each way. Sure it would be tough short term for a few losers but who cares, not me. Like I said before, cannabis culture has wrecked New Zealand. Why are there so many foreign workers on Southland farms and in the Chch rebuild?
    Kiwi unemployed cannot get themselves out of bed, much less to a job interview. Why would that be?

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  77. stephieboy (2,141 comments) says:

    The irony is that Rebaiter is allowed to roam free abusing etc on KB , the kind of behavior , he would be busy censoring or banning others posting a contrary view on his own blog.

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  78. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    wiseowl (666 comments) says:
    Truth hurts buddy. like the comment number fitting mayhaps
    Graham shat in the nest and the rotten smell will always linger.
    Colon hopefully is not like Carphill but he is pushing the same barrow.
    I doubt there are sufficient fools who will squander a vote on him to get past the 5% or an electorate containing a majority who vote on such a shallow platform.
    Campaign for the threshold to be lowered if you want such minority interest groups to be represented.

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  79. holysheet (263 comments) says:

    MT-tinman
    if you read my post you will see I referred to workers.
    Since when has Yates ever done any real work?

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  80. wat dabney (3,655 comments) says:

    You can hardly say cannabis has been prohibited in NZ. It’s been frowned upon, nothing more. So the argument prohibition hasn’t worked is not an argument.

    That’s always the argument, isn’t it. Prohibition failed because it wasn’t enforced with sufficient rigour.

    Take a look at the US where the War on Drugs really is a real war. The country has been turned into a violent police state, complete with wide-scale surveillance of the entire population and a police force which is more like an occupying army.

    And that’s supposed to the the land of the free?

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  81. David Garrett (6,308 comments) says:

    MT: No…to be convicted of a strike offence, offenders need to be at least 18..so no strikes, although the penalty is the same – life imprisonment…for offenders as young as this the minimum non parole period is unlikely to be more than ten years…There is a very real possibility that either or both of them will kill again, just as I believe Kururaiki will…

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  82. wiseowl (751 comments) says:

    Urban.
    Agree with you over the ‘no fault ‘ divorce law changes that were made.Another huge mistake but as DG says it won’t be changed, especially given the makeup of parliament these days.

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  83. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    @ Redbaiter (8.09am) – what evidence do you have that the drunks at the rugby were communists? Did they sing The Red Flag instead of the God Defend New Zealand?

    It’s far more likely that they were ordinary blokes who had spent too long in the pub (an unintended consequence of night rugby), and the piss was talking. That can happen to anyone. Yes, their behaviour was unacceptable, but let’s not get carried away by “reds under the bed” conspiracy theories.

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  84. MT_Tinman (2,984 comments) says:

    holysheet (225 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 10:54 am
    MT-tinman
    if you read my post you will see I referred to workers.
    Since when has Yates ever done any real work?

    Can’t argue with your logic. ;-)

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  85. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    Regarding the two young killers.

    I would hate to see the media do to these two, what they did to Kururaiki. Don’t name them, don’t sensationalise their actions, give them no air space – and don’t turn them into ‘heroes’ by default. Kururaiki became a legend in prison – being the ‘youngest baddest’ is a sought after title when you’re locked up with people that value such things.

    Separate them, isolate them, and don’t talk about them. Don’t give them the honour of being spoken about – and when they are released, don’t splash it all over the newspapers and have people glorify their statuses as our youngest killers. Watch them and keep them under constant supervision BUT don’t let the media give them no other option but to live up to their ‘name’.

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  86. MT_Tinman (2,984 comments) says:

    DG, I seriously doubt the boys will be convicted of murder.

    The nutters will ensure their age (and that they come from a broken home – one they helped to break) means manslaughter at most with incarceration in a holiday home until they are 18.

    I agree they will likely kill again

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  87. Odakyu-sen (439 comments) says:

    ” How could reasonable, civilized people not “Like” Redbaiter’s comment. ”

    General note: It’s “Redbaiter’s comment” not “Redbaiter’s comments.”

    I was referring to this one particular comment; not his/her comments in general.

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  88. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    KS, don’t you ever get tired of making up shit just to excuse the National Party’s complete and utter failure to fight their corner?

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  89. edhunter (491 comments) says:

    Ya know Red I’d have thought that the one person complaining to media because he was “offended” by someone elses behaviour amongst a crowd of 50000 would be in your crosshairs as a whining neo-liberal commie prick wanting to add more layers of control to our lives. Then I realised that was you.
    I’ve taken my son to countless sporting events over the years & yes I did have to explain to him once when he was 8, not to worry all he needed to know was that all men at some point in their lives are wankers.
    The chant at the time i thought was referees a wanker, but maybe they were chanting reddy’s name both seem apt.

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  90. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    Wow, this baby has grown – nothing like a few lights to make it look pretty.

    http://www.lensaloft.com.au/Interactive_tour/AucklandDusk/Auckland.html

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  91. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    Red you do your cause no good attacking every one.
    ks is in your corner just not in the fringe totally insane part.

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  92. Ryan Sproull (7,025 comments) says:

    ” How could reasonable, civilized people not “Like” Redbaiter’s comment. ”

    General note: It’s “Redbaiter’s comment” not “Redbaiter’s comments.”

    I was referring to this one particular comment; not his/her comments in general.

    This is the one where drunken abusive rugby fans are “communists”?

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  93. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    Yes, that was a good one. As if the rugby crowds in the 1950s were paragons of conservative virtue.

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  94. stephieboy (2,141 comments) says:

    It is interesting that that those who rail against our no fault divorce laws fail to recognize that the old fault laws tended to benefit men and certainly benefited lawyers.
    Interesting also is the fact that the Russian and Eastern Orthodox Church also recognize the principle of no fault i.e irretrievable breakdown of the marriage.
    I understand also the Jewish Faith is similar.!

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  95. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “rugby crowds in the 1950s were paragons of conservative virtue.”

    They were comparatively Milky.

    You just keep lying about it in an attempt to deny the destruction you have wrought.

    Just remember, you might have some success for a while, but you can’t keep a lie going for ever.

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  96. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    KS, don’t you ever get tired of making up shit just to excuse the National Party’s complete and utter failure to fight their corner?

    What the f*ck has a few yobbos getting pissed and abusing someone at the rugby got to do with the National Party Red? Your obsession is getting dangerous.

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  97. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    That you can’t see the connection KS is why your party has become the very thing it once stood against.

    Do you know what Cultural Marxism is?

    Do you know about Dialectic Marxism?

    Do you know about “demoralisation” as a political strategy?

    Do you know about the Frankfurt School?

    Gramsci? Socialist International? The Progressive caucus? Alinksy?

    If you don’t know about any of those things what the fuck are you doing in politics?????

    Let alone representing a party that professes to stand against the left.

    FFS..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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  98. big bruv (13,209 comments) says:

    “KS, don’t you ever get tired of making up shit ”

    Lol, this from a man who has been “making up shit” for years on this very blog.

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  99. MT_Tinman (2,984 comments) says:

    mikenmild (9,951 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 11:20 am
    Yes, that was a good one. As if the rugby crowds in the 1950s were paragons of conservative virtue.

    Surprisingly they pretty much were.

    There was no booing, opposition plays were clapped and never was heard “The referee’s a wanker”.

    The only noise heard was the oohs and aahs of the crowd and the trickle-sounds made by urine exiting bicycle tubes.

    Of course there was fuck all passion (except by umbrella wielding ladies in Timaru) and outright thuggery was praised by all and sundry unless it was performed by the opposition

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  100. ChrisM (92 comments) says:

    This is a great example of judicial activism that needs to be stamped on:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10155614/Long-fight-for-eldest-sons-fair-share
    Since when did the law change so the “moral” duty to provide for adult children, especially when they are pensioners, become a reason to overturn wills. What this is saying is that any will become irrelevant unless the kids get it. More power to SKIers it means.

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  101. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    Yes we now recognize that beating or raping your wife or fiddling little kids is actually a crime and if two consenting adults enjoy sex together in private its not the states business…
    how low will society go?

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  102. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    @ mikenmild – I recall going to the Auckland vs Counties Ranfurly Shield match at Eden Park in 1979 in a crowd of 52,000. I was sitting in the old #4 stand, and had managed to sneak a couple of bottles of beer past the white-coats at the gate. The bloke behind me waited until I’d finished the first one before offering me a full can as a swap for the empty quart bottle so he wouldn’t have to queue for the dunny at half-time.

    And back in the days of the bank at Lancaster Park, blokes found creative uses for bike inner tubes running down the inside of their strides once they had secured their place on the bank. They must have been commies too!

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  103. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    If you don’t know about any of those things what teh fuck are you doing in politics?????

    I’m not “in politics” Redbaiter; I watch from the sidelines, and express my opinions via a blog. If you are an example of what being “in politics” does to someone, I think I’ll stay on the sidelines, thanks all the same. Have a nice day :D

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  104. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ stephieboy (1,687 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    What pleasure or anything positive is to be gained by knowing who the Courts think is at fault?

    e.g. A person cheats on their spouse, but what made them look elsewhere? The person that cheated is named as being the defaulter – but surely if the spouse becomes ‘unloveable’ then they too are responsible to a degree?

    People change as they go through life, unless the person they are will is changing at the same rate and in the same way, then eventually they are going to grow apart. That’s no one’s fault – that’s the nature process of life. All of us are very different people to what we were ten years or thirty years ago. What was important to us back then, might be of little or no importance now. The person you once loved with all your heart and who agreed with you on everything, may have changed their ideals to something you just cannot agree on. So how do you identify blame in such circumstances?

    (God I hope Colin Craig isn’t reading this, the ‘fault’ policy is just the sort of thing he’d support – lets drag us back to times gone by)

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  105. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “God I hope Colin Craig isn’t reading this”

    I doubt it. He’s probably got some grass to watch growing somewhere.

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  106. stigie (887 comments) says:

    ” They must have been commies too!”

    Yep, sounds like we are all commies KS, not just me thank christ !~

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  107. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    Sometimes I do yearn for the old days, when men disagreed they simply had a duel and the argument ended, one died, and so there was no one to argue with about the same thing day after day after day.

    Think I’ll go and join CC watching the grass grow. :P

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  108. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “ks is in your corner”

    No he is not.

    He is an enabler.

    Like the rest of National, done nothing but concede political and cultural ground to the commies for 50 years or more.

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  109. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    KS
    I hear stories of the old western bank at Athletic Pak, too. Rivers of urine running down and not a place for children.
    I agree the crowds were genrally more respectful though. No booing of opposition kickers – that all started at Lancaster Park when the local were upset because Allan Hewwson was better than Robbie Deans.

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  110. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    Italy 2-1 over England.

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  111. MT_Tinman (2,984 comments) says:

    mikenmild (9,952 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 11:49 am
    KS
    I hear stories of the old western bank at Athletic Pak, too. Rivers of urine running down and not a place for children.
    I agree the crowds were genrally more respectful though. No booing of opposition kickers – that all started at Lancaster Park when the local were upset because Allan Hewwson was better than Robbie Deans.

    Obviously total myth then, never happened at all – because he never was.

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  112. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    Ah, a bite.

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  113. big bruv (13,209 comments) says:

    “Do you know what Cultural Marxism is? Do you know about Dialectic Marxism? Do you know about “demoralisation” as a political strategy? Do you know about the Frankfurt School?”

    FFS!…..Do you know what Paranoia is?

    “Due to the suspicious and troublesome personality traits of paranoia, it is unlikely that someone with paranoia will thrive in interpersonal relationships. Most commonly paranoid individuals tend to be of a single status.”

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  114. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    My first visit to Athletic Park wasn’t until 1970 mikenmild; a festival match when the All Blacks returned from South Africa. But now that you mention it. My father took me to the 1971 Lions test at Athletic Park, and there was a strong smell in the air by later in the match on the bank at the southern end ;-)

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  115. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    I didn’t go there till the test versus the Lions in 1977. Grant Batty’s last test where he scored an intercept try for the win.
    I miss the top deck of the Millard Stand.

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  116. David Garrett (6,308 comments) says:

    Judith: I think that might just be the first uptick I have ever given you… I agree completely..the last thing we need is for these two little swine to receive publicity…but you know as well as I that when they reach a youth justice facility their crime will be common knowledge very quickly.

    With New Zealand’s two degrees of separation I have just come from a farmers market out here where I met a woman who was a regular customer of the victim…apparently a lovely guy and a lovely family…he was in the habit apparently of slipping in an extra loaf of bread or jug of milk for families who were struggling…

    Also nice to find my opinions aren’t in fact far right…as far as this woman was concerned these two should hang, regardless of their age…in the little knot of people that our conversation attracted, it was the universal opinion that one or both of them would kill again…

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  117. Scott Chris (5,869 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (6,986 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 11:40 am
    “God I hope Colin Craig isn’t reading this”

    I doubt it. He’s probably got some grass to watch growing somewhere.

    Makes a change from trying to get astroturf to grow.

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  118. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    If you’re struggling you don’t frequent dairies.

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  119. stigie (887 comments) says:

    “Most commonly paranoid individuals tend to be of a single status.”

    And apparently these paranoid individuals tend to throw their toys when they dont get their own way !!

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  120. dime (9,356 comments) says:

    no way these two killers remain nameless.

    the left will want to “tell their story”. it will end up that dime is to blame cause dime works and earns money.

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  121. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    It’s definitely the fault of people who refer to themselves in the third person.

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  122. dime (9,356 comments) says:

    deal with it milky.

    we allhave our thing.

    for instance, dime refers to himself in the 3rd..

    where as youre some girly man loser who sits down to piss

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  123. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    Have you been peeking in my toilet window again?

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  124. Nukuleka (199 comments) says:

    I note that the NZ Herald reports the grandmother of the 13 year old killer as ‘a golden lady’. This ‘golden lady’ is the mother of the boys mother, herself someone with convictions, and was in charge of the child at the time of the murder. Sure, a real ‘golden lady’ who has been a hopeless mother and a disastrous grandmother. I am weary of the MSM tendency to sanctify such people.

    We will hear more of this type of sanctimonious tripe.

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  125. dime (9,356 comments) says:

    Nukuleka – its how they role. all “mums” and “grandmothers” are saints.

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  126. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Bloody sad that Wainui couldn’t down Tawa on the home turf really….Sob!!! :)

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  127. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    Get over it Johnboy. Better than the defeat awaiting next week.

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  128. David Garrett (6,308 comments) says:

    Nuku: I think you may be being a little harsh…I read the article too, and it appears Granny’s presence on the scene is relatively recent…As the Jesuits recognised, these little ferals would have their character traits well established by age seven…yes, it appears she is the mother of a criminal, but who knows, the mother may have “fallen in the with wrong crowd” as they say…she has certainly “partnered” and produced children with a violent scumbag who is well acquainted with jail…she wouldn’t be the first silly woman to find a violent thug attractive…

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  129. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    I thought you Union Men believed in equality to all milkey?

    How can you be so cruel to a chap such as me after your glorious victory over Petone?

    Francis is watching your gloating you know! :)

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  130. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    Just enjoy being second on the points table. It won’t be for long.

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  131. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Such is life milkey. At least Francis can’t add the McBain to the Vatican trophy display this year! :)

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  132. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    I’m sure he’ll settle for the Jubilee Cup!

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  133. thedavincimode (6,519 comments) says:

    So why is it, that after swearing off this blog, he’s not only back but has spent the last two days solid chucking his shit at the walls like some clichéd resident of a lunatic asylum? Of course that’s partly rhetorical; we know he’s back because he is a vacuous blusterer and bullshitter of epic proportions. But he was making such an effort to be a “considered” political commentator ( :roll: ) after reinventing himself once again yet, on this occasion, he’s simply fallen to pieces all by himself. Very funny.

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  134. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Is it still the norm that the Marist Brothers never put their hands in their pockets at HOBM clubrooms milkey? :)

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  135. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    How long do you reckon before he melts down again, DVM?

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  136. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    I try to avoid men of the cloth, Johnboy. I think all the Marist Brothers are dead now, though. Or in jail.

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  137. stigie (887 comments) says:

    He already has milky !~

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  138. thedavincimode (6,519 comments) says:

    But he just has milky. It’s hilarious – he just couldn’t help himself. As always, he stomps off and then slithers back as if he’d never been away, pretends to be an insightful observer and advocate for the his vision of his totalitarian state where there is only one vote – his – and then – inevitably – he reverts to type. Now, even drunk dickheads at the footy are deemed to be commies.

    But on this most recent reinvention, with apparently no more provocation than having woken up in each of the last few days, he seems to have been hell bent on distributing the contents of his incontinence pads all over this blog. Even made time for two visits to abuse spiderman who lives in his head rent-free. Fantastic stuff.

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  139. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Fuck! I’m going to have to stop cheering for Wainui and search out Red/DaVinci’s teams!

    Far harder bastards than what the Hutt competition can present! :)

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  140. thedavincimode (6,519 comments) says:

    Well JB, we all know what a tough guy that redtweeter is. He’s right up there.

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  141. gander (87 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre (2,712 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 12:18 pm
    If you’re struggling you don’t frequent dairies.

    But if you can’t be bothered to struggle, you do.

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  142. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    At least he’s not a Catholic like milkys team are! :)

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  143. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    If you need any more evidence of how deeply communism is embedded in NZ, you only need to look at what TDVM writes here.

    He doesn’t even attempt any counter argument. His style is weak and entirely witless attempts at ridicuale in amanner that demonstrates so clearly his communist pathology. he’s acting exactly a

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  144. thedavincimode (6,519 comments) says:

    ??? finish it! :)

    (full edit mode in progress it seems) – just write knuckle-dragging homo prog commie.

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  145. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Quite so Red!

    He never, really, invented the Helicopter either ……..so there! :)

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  146. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    If you need any more evidence of how deeply communism is embedded in NZ, you only need to look at what TDVM writes here.

    He doesn’t even attempt any counter argument. His style is weak and entirely witless attempts at ridicule in a manner that demonstrates so clearly his communist pathology. He’s acting exactly as his mentors Alinksy and Marx have trained him to act. He’s subconsciously channeling the very strategies that the fathers of communism have outlined so often as a means to resist those who would expose their ideology.

    And to further emphasize my point, this weak cowardly loser who like his comrade Big Bruv has nothing but lies and smears, portrays himself as a National Party supporter.

    So how far up shit creek are we when this kind of mind fucked repugnant coward represents the party that has in its founding principles a clear declaration to stand against communism and socialism? Don’t look at TVDM, because he’s not the issue. The issue is that such a pathologically communist degenerate today represents the National Party.

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  147. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    You won’t believe this gander but I’ve actually been into ten dairies / superettes today. I was looking for another supply of ‘mag fizzy wheels’ that are sold by three of my local dairies. One has them at the rip-off price of 50c each (no way I’m paying that) instead of 30c. (The problem being I can clean out one dairy inside a week and then have to wait for them to order it again).

    http://www.carousel.co.nz/Products/Compressed-Tablets/Fruity-Fizz.aspx

    I don’t really know what you’re getting at – if you can’t be bothered to struggle you go to a dairy ? Huh ? What do dairies sell ? Shit. They sell shit. Every type of shit there is. I love dairies don’t get me wrong but let’s not kid ourselves – your senses are overwhelmed by 360 degrees of shit when you walk into one. Like a giant disco ball of shit.

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  148. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Or the parachute either!

    How the fuck could he keep it square shaped ffs?……lots of starch? :)

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=da+vinci%27s+parachute&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=_PicU_nuIsn1kQXKrYCACQ&sqi=2&ved=0CBoQsAQ&biw=1512&bih=916

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  149. thedavincimode (6,519 comments) says:

    This is just such classic redblather:

    He doesn’t even attempt any counter argument

    Da fuq !! :lol:

    Counter argument to what? The contents of his diapers?

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  150. stephieboy (2,141 comments) says:

    Rebaiter,your paranoia , as always, gets the better of you.A check up with your G P tomorrow would be most timely.

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  151. thedavincimode (6,519 comments) says:

    … now onto the proxy server to improve his uptick statistics …

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  152. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    What cruel, evil, fellows you all are. No wonder Judith tells all the young, virgin chaps to run all their stuff past her first! :)

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  153. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    I know I am not wrong.

    If I was wrong, cretins like Shittyboy would be on my side and not TDVM’s side.

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  154. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    I’ve always been on your side Red. Tell me what I must do to prove my fealty? :)

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  155. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    The contents of his diapers?

    Be a good kiwi (if you are kiwi ??) – nappies !!

    … now onto the proxy server to improve his uptick statistics …

    And I only got five downticks from Red on the ‘editorial on polls’ thread on two nearby comments. I’m not trying hard enough.

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  156. David Garrett (6,308 comments) says:

    Crikey…it does seem rather as if the blood sugars (or something) aren’t quite right today…started first thing this am and like a machine gun ever since…The RSA is open on a Sunday isn’t it?

    Da Vinci: Bring some out here, and I will let you sit on my sun drenched north facing deck…

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  157. thedavincimode (6,519 comments) says:

    You don’t seem too good Russell.

    Take a couple of days off – and go outside and enjoy this beautiful day. I’m heading outside for a late lunch – some crayfish and squid included and a tip top Chablis. Perfect for a glorious winter day.

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  158. stephieboy (2,141 comments) says:

    Meanwhile I wish Colin Craig could tell us which hangar the Apollo moon landings were staged.!
    Good one davincimode .I’ll follow your suggestion on this glorious day.
    Redbaiter ,try your local Mental Health emergency hot line instead.!

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  159. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Just be careful that the RSA entrance isn’t just across the road from a darkened doorway David! :)

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  160. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    A little longer lying down redblather and maybe 500mg more of those wholesome pale blue pills.
    You are almost there.
    Sanity comes to those who get nursey to up the dose.

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  161. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    I’ve always said the self professed “right” in NZ were barely distinguishable from the hard left, and if I ever get to the stage where I might doubt that, a session on Kiwiblog quickly removes that doubt.

    Check the last few comments for example. All singing from the same song book.

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  162. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    @ davincimode – I’m still struggling to work out how it’s the National Party’s fault that some idiots got pissed and abused people at the rugby. I would have thought that John Key had better things to do than breath-test every person going to a rugby test ;-)

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  163. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Hush sweet Griff……. that you may mention the name that gets demerits! :)

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  164. David Garrett (6,308 comments) says:

    Griff: Very good sir!! Don’t think our host can demerit you for that one…

    Red; Seriously man…you’re not too well…have a cup of tea and a nice lie down until the RSA opens…Is there a Mrs Red? God, surely not…but if there is, get her to take a look at what you’ve been saying to your friends…and we ARE your friends Red, really we are…

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  165. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Fuck off Dave, the day I need friends like you with your wittering patronising worthless shit and your continuous lies is the day you find me floating lifeless under the Auckland Harbour Bridge.

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  166. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    What must we all do to rebuild our “right” credentials then Red?

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  167. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    Yip redtard the consensus among almost all on kb is you are a raving fully developed certified loony.
    From milky the lefty ks the conservative wat the libertarian and universal among liberals all all persuasions a shared opinion.
    Mad as a swarm of bees in a tumble dryer on full.

    The reference to the clown of golden archers was self censored.. Its a new Griff who is trying to avoid another spell in the clink.

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  168. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “I’m still struggling to work out how it’s the National Party’s fault that some idiots got pissed and abused people at the rugby.”

    That must be because your IQ is too low, otherwise you would get the simple point that by not defending its founding principles, National has joined with the socialists and communists it professes to oppose in bringing NZ to the lowest point ever in its social condition.

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  169. David Garrett (6,308 comments) says:

    You’re not well man….you’ll come back and look at this thread when you are better and be embarrassed…stop now…

    I believe telling people to “fuck off” gets demerits…it got me 20…and I was aiming mine at Double Cheeseburger

    “Mad as a swarm of bees in a tumble dryer on full”…Very Good!!

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  170. stigie (887 comments) says:

    “Sanity comes to those who get nursey to up the dose.”

    As long as one doesnt reach for the Deep Heat before hand ?

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  171. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    “The reference to the clown of golden archers was self censored.. Its a new Griff who is trying to avoid another spell in the clink.”

    Well done old chap. It’s only the quickest of us that spotted it!

    Think of the green and red parrot chap before you open your beak I say! :)

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  172. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “You’re not well man….”

    Why don’t you just stop the cowardly smears, surprise me and mount a counter argument to the effect that National is not the main reason the country is full of degenerate communists?

    I’ll tell you why.

    Such an arguemnt woudl require knowledge and an intelelct far beyond that which you posssess.

    Untrue smears, like some pathetic teenage girl, are all you can manage.

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  173. Colville (2,058 comments) says:

    Ok so I smashed a finger on my left hand with a hammer on Thursday (?) and have had a black bulbous throbbing finger for the last few days, this morning I consulted Dr Google (as one does) and the Oracle suggested burning a hole on the fingernail with a heated paper clip (I shit you not!) to let the trapped blood out.
    Being an engineer I thought that was all a bit shonky so I got out a 1.5mm drill bit. :-)
    A couple of minutes later I had a fountain of blood all down my best camo top!

    Ahhhhhh the blessed relief!

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  174. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    If you were a proper engineer you’d have clamped it into your mill and taken a series of just deep enough cuts to release the blood without causing a fountain Colville! :)

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  175. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    hahahaha – *intelelct* – crack-up !!

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  176. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Colville – was that a blood blister ? Heat up a sewing needle and drain it, no ?

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  177. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “hahahaha”

    That vile scum like you who are quite happy to steal money from other NZers because you’ve no pride in maintaining your own living, and then abuse those you steal from on Kiwiblog, is yet another example of how far this country has degenerated at the hands of the power above all socialists.

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  178. Colville (2,058 comments) says:

    LR & C.
    Badly rooted fingernail. Blood trapped under it and back into the finger joint.

    Johnboy.
    I would have needed general anaesthetic to be able to clamp it in anything. It fooking hurts.

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  179. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    But how shall we save NZ from the situation it has lowered itself into Red?

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  180. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Afternoon Minus! :)

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  181. stigie (887 comments) says:

    And what would you have done differently Reddy from 2008 till now without becoming a one term government ?

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  182. stigie (887 comments) says:

    Minus luffs you Johnboy ?

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  183. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Red’s about to give us his considered opinion on that conundrum stigie! :)

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  184. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “and we ARE your friends Red, really we are…”

    I do have friends, but I choose them carefully.

    None of them are cowards and liars who smear people without a skerrick of conscience.

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  185. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    I am a deeply lovable chap in a minus sort of way stigie! :)

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  186. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Who, me ? You can’t abuse people on KB Russ because it results in being banned. People have to play nice on here. So by my standards of what constitutes abuse – what abuse ?

    Yeah – it’s pretty bad – I should be trying to find work. No disagreement there. I’ve had too many bad experiences with fucktard employers Russ. The only jobs I can get are ones working for bad dipshit employers. I got sick of the bullshit and fuckwits I had to suffer.

    Prime example – Mana Coach Service – what a bunch of fucking dipshits some of them are – fucking little tyrant cunts. Breathe – breathe – breathe . . .

    Trying to train drivers off the dole. No-one making it ever. Dickheads !!

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  187. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Johnboy, where the fuck do you get the idea that with one question, some worthless little degenerate coward who has previously offered nothing but braindead unamusing asides, (Stigie) should suddenly be granted the status of a real debater?

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  188. Nostradamus (2,938 comments) says:

    Redbaiter:

    Everyone has their occasional (with varying degrees of frequency) moments of brilliance!

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  189. Longknives (4,390 comments) says:

    L,R & C- What is your profession? What kind of work you looking for champ?

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  190. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    LOL, he’s hassling Johnboy now, probably his only real fan.

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  191. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    Redbaiter accuses other commenters of “cowardly smears” after saying such things as:

    * BTW Stigie, you knuckle dragging little commie cretin (9.57am)

    * The low IQ Big Bigot, with his endless strategy of strawmen arguments. (10.28am)

    * KS, don’t you ever get tired of making up shit just to excuse the National Party’s complete and utter failure to fight their corner? (11.14am)

    * He doesn’t even attempt any counter argument. His style is weak and entirely witless attempts at ridicule in a manner that demonstrates so clearly his communist pathology. He’s acting exactly as his mentors Alinksy and Marx have trained him to act. He’s subconsciously channeling the very strategies that the fathers of communism have outlined so often as a means to resist those who would expose their ideology.

    And to further emphasize my point, this weak cowardly loser who like his comrade Big Bruv has nothing but lies and smears, portrays himself as a National Party supporter. (1.38pm)

    * Fuck off Dave, the day I need friends like you with your wittering patronising worthless shit and your continuous lies is the day you find me floating lifeless under the Auckland Harbour Bridge.(2.11pm)

    You couldn’t make sh*t like this up!

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  192. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Enough of the sideshow stuff Red, forget stigie! Tell us how you would fix what ails our sad wee land? :)

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  193. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “I got sick of the bullshit and fuckwits I had to suffer.”

    The poor bastards you are stealing money from are out there working for those employers. That’s because they’d prefer to do that than steal from their fellow NZers. When you have no moral boundaries, and are the kind of weak loser that is happy for others to put up with shit so you can live comfortably, you do it the way you’re doing it.

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  194. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    That’s very cruel milkey. I’m a chap who can get on with anyone as long as their not feinians and their fellow travelers! :)

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  195. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    I’m sure LRC is meeting his obligations to Winz to look for work. Maybe one day Reddy will get a job, too.

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  196. stigie (887 comments) says:

    Dont tell me Reddy ole chap, tell everyone on here, im sure they would love to know, without all the abuse that is !!

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  197. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    ‘Tell us how you would fix what ails our sad wee land?’
    Change the country’s name to Singapore?

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  198. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “You couldn’t make sh*t like this up!”

    Fuck me, its no wonder you can’t get the point of a simple argument, when you apparently can’t tell the difference between opinion and direct untruths. I’m not lying to the forum about what Dave’s real name is or where he lives and what he does for a living, or that TDVM lives in a nursing home and is on medication and is incontinent, or that Narsekissa gives himself upticks. These are all direct lies and smears. In particular the ones that imply dishonesty. Learn the difference you pathetic trying dumbarse.

    I was taught that you do not ever accuse anyone of dishonesty without absolute proof, and to do so otherwise is extremely immoral. At a guess I’d say your parents must have skipped that bit in your upbringing.

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  199. calendar girl (1,172 comments) says:

    @Judith 11:08am – very well said!

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  200. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Come on Red. Ignore this outpouring of derision from the untermenschen. Tell us how you will change the world!

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  201. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    ‘Tell us how you will change the world!’
    Make man-on-man action illegal.

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  202. Nostradamus (2,938 comments) says:

    Stigie:

    im sure they would love to know, without all the abuse that is !!

    Anodyne
    Bastard
    Uglesome
    Soft-commie
    Eunuch

    There you go – I’ve just given you a few extra letters for your next game of scrabble!

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  203. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Give Red a fair go guys. He’s just completing his world plan as we wait with baited( :) ) breath! :)

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  204. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “Tell us how you would fix what ails our sad wee land?”

    Its simple JB, you strip away all of the high taxing big spending worthless govt shit, and then we all live by the simple maxim

    “To your own self be true”.

    Not always possible of course but we must try.

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  205. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    As you know Red – if I get a job – someone else doesn’t. And everyone pays their benefit instead. So does it matter who it is when unemployment is what percentage ? Even if it was 3% – shit that’s a lot. It’s not going to make any difference to anyone or anything – big picture.

    Fucking boring re-posting that time after time for you Red – fuck your worse than my Winz parole officers. You care more about it than they do – hahaha – that’s for sure. They’re more ‘real world’. You need to work there to get ‘broken in’ properly. I’d love to see you sit down with the gang members and tell them how they’re ‘stealing taxpayer money’ and that they’re ‘vermin scum’.

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  206. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    That would require Reddy to get a job, LRC.

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  207. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    “To your own self be true”.

    Could you expand that with particular reference to dealing with criminal folk who were just being true to themselves when they shot the dairy owner Red?

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  208. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Really excellent JB to see you post one comment that doesn’t have a crummy obsequious little smiley at the end of it, and I’d like to answer your question if I could. I just can’t work out what it is your asking exactly.

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  209. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    LN – honestly ? Got class 2-5 and an accounting degree. The jobs I can do I just want to kill myself and take others with me. I used to think to myself how easy it would be to drive a full standing load off the side of a hill at Onslow Rd. Poof !! 50 dead.

    I’m fairly confident (99.99999999%) I wouldn’t do anything like that. Especially not with my awesome renaissance of mind and body.

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  210. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Well if the crims were being true to themselves they were quite comfy with shooting the dairy owner that seems to fit in with your plan but how would that sit with the dairy owners wife and kids who were planning a different way of being true to themselves Red?

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  211. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “As you know Red – if I get a job – someone else doesn’t.”

    What scum you are.

    Do you know that if this country wasn’t dragged down by a legion of bludgers like you there would be much more investment and much more prosperity and therefore many more jobs?

    Do you ever even think about the damage a legion of bludgers like you does to the aspirations of millions of NZers who want something better for themselves and their families?

    Just a typical example of the “me me” generation.

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  212. Nostradamus (2,938 comments) says:

    Johnboy:

    This article explains why you’ve had no luck (so far) with Judith and Penny Not-So:

    Sorry guys, Kiwi women are choosey

    Women have higher standards than men when it comes to choosing a lover – but guys are more likely to rate themselves.

    [Researchers] found women were more picky, and usually underestimated their own attractiveness – while men were more likely to assume the object of their affection was interested.

    Sex differences aside though, at least initially, we’re all as shallow as each other.

    “Men are not from Mars and women are not from Venus,” Fletcher says.

    “Both men and women are mainly focused on attractiveness in the very early stages. If you can get over that first hurdle, both are prepared to go further – they are in the mating market.”

    The things we do to help you out, Johnboy!

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  213. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    No one who commits murder or theft is being true to themselves JB.

    I thought you might know that without me having to point it out to you.

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  214. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Sheep are really my thing Nostra. Penny is just a dalliance for me. Sheep can’t knit either! :)

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  215. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    What about politicians that are being true to themselves Red. Banksy say. How can your plan explain his mistakes?

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  216. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Hey JB, I’m not here to be interrogated by dimwits. You’ve had about 3 goes. If you can’t get the drift of what I’m saying you’ll have to try harder than merely asking simpleton incorrectly premised questions.

    Here’s a question for you. Are you suggesting John Banks didn’t know what he was doing was wrong?

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  217. Harriet (4,495 comments) says:

    “…..Tell us how you would fix what ails our sad wee land?…”

    ……..around Ekatahuna way………breathe out slowly……then squeeze gently………

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  218. Longknives (4,390 comments) says:

    L,R & C -You are clearly a motivated and intelligent guy- surely you don’t have to work specifically as a bean counter with your Accountancy Degree??
    Maybe you could go into Politics? I hear the fat German pays well…

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  219. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    No Red I’m just trying to ask you how your plan for better government:

    “To your own self be true”. (which I like)

    Can be translated into the nuts and bolts stuff that keeps a country ticking over?
    I thought you may have a real plan! :)

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  220. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Red – that’s capitalism – supply and demand – not a big enough supply of jobs !! Work on your supply Red. When the supply of jobs is greater than the demand – bingo – you can really stick it to all the bludgers.

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  221. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    Why are you here redblather?
    I believe you are really a parody of a full on right wing authoritarian nutter who thinks his extreme behavior will stop any one except the truly insane voting for a party that expresses even 10% of his alleged views.
    That of you should be watched very carefully for any hint of going McVeigh and doing what your expressed political extreme ultimately leads to.

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  222. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    LN – I think I like counting beans – in theory it’s possible that I could get some kind of job that is in some way related to the counting of the beans. Accounting degrees are ten a penny. Every prick’s got one. I should’ve done something else – that might’ve shown some intelligence. But – I did complete the fucking thing – hey, it’s something. Pricey piece of paper to say ‘I am not a total and utter insufferable fucking moron with zero redeeming features (although devoid of any character as Red will tell you)’ but anyway . . .

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  223. stigie (887 comments) says:

    This question was at 2.41pm

    And what would you have done differently Reddy from 2008 till now without becoming a one term government ?

    I ask this question genuinely of you Reddy. The 4th time now i have asked this and very keen to know ?

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  224. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Last time Red was giving me shit I had my parole meeting the next day and the security guard shadowed me out of the place – that’s never happened before. At least it didn’t last very long – hahahaha

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  225. Longknives (4,390 comments) says:

    I reckon any Degree (so long as it’s a real Degree from a real University and not a Te Wananga ‘Certificate in Bone Carving’) shows you have brains and an aptitude to work- You really should be able to pick something up.
    *Might interfere with your weird night-time habits of lurking round the backstreets of Porirua though..

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  226. Harriet (4,495 comments) says:

    “…..And what would you have done differently Reddy from 2008 till now without becoming a one term government ?…..”

    stayed true to the natural order of things and kept Marriage for the benefit of children and society – rather than turning it into a dildo.

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  227. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (5,785 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    Society will always have its bad, we will never rid of it, but I think we can do a damn lot better than we are.

    As you say, the grandmother might not be to blame. I can imagine where my mother would have got if she had tried to tell me who I could or couldn’t marry (or in this case reproduce with).

    I would like to know if this was the first time the boys involved had come to the attention of the law?

    We talk about having an ‘offenders’ index, but personally I would prefer an index of ‘potentials’. Young boys (and girls) who are starting to ‘act up’. If we are going to focus attention and money anywhere, it is on this group we can make the biggest impact to our future crime statistics. Instead we wait for a serious crime to be committed, or several subsequent ones. I believe that if a person is young, and committing their first crime, we should hit them harsh, supervise them and if necessary be brave enough to remove them from a harmful and influential environment, until such time as they are mature enough to determine if that is the type of life they want to lead.

    When these young boys are living in an environment where people take what they want, by any means, rather than having to work/save for it, like the rest of us – then of course they are going to do the same. I’m sure they didn’t leave their homes with the intention of killing, but the examples given to them in life, would make violence their innate response.

    Until this country is brave enough to recognise that leaving children with their biological parent/s may not always be the best choice – we’re going to keep seeing this sort of thing happen.

    (I am not proposing that the children should NEVER see their parents, but just that their parent’s should only partial role, until such time as the young offenders learn that their parents ways, aren’t the right way or only way).

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  228. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Cheers brother – good old Vic Uni. Nothing wrong with bone carving if there’s a living in it. Just ask the ladies of the night.

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  229. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “I thought you may have a real plan!”

    That is a real plan JB.

    It means LRC stops lying to himself and goes out and looks for work so that he is not stealing off other people who have more guts then to lie to themselves like he does.

    That then means we don’t need unemployment benefits.

    Men and women commit to marriage and make their children the most important thing. Then we don’t have legions of unwed mothers and we don’t need the single parent’s benefit. Nor do we have psychotic children who grow to be criminals like the ones that concern so many on this thread. Think how that would improve our well being and prosperity.

    That’s just two examples of being true to one’s self. Both of them would not only improve us spiritually but would also see the massive burden of the welfare state shrink greatlly in size. And the Corrections dept too would shrink. The cost of crime to this country is immense.

    What it can be nutshelled as is that NZers depend upon themselves to put things right rather than the state and all off the bludgers and losers (Milky for example) who parasite off that entity.

    So those two simple examples would see NZ improve both spiritually and economically. There are many more like that. See if you can think of one.

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  230. goldnkiwi (985 comments) says:

    Not a fan of no fault divorce myself. If one knew that bad behaviour might penalise one financially, deviating from the 50/50 split, it may as in the past have a modifying effect.

    Mind you I am not a fan of 50/50 anyway. For that reason the first 2/3 years of my relationships are a ‘test’ and hard work ;) lol. The honey moon can start after the probation period.

    I never could understand why gays wanted to be subject to the same property rules as heterosexuals. Especially as the odds of having to split ones assets is way more likely than not!!!

    The state of course likes the redistribution of capital, often from those with to those without.

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  231. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “I ask this question genuinely of you Reddy. The 4th time now i have asked this and very keen to know ?”

    I don’t care how many times you ask it. I think you’re a whining wittering piece of shit and therefore I don’t answer your questions.

    Got it retard?

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  232. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    I think the real issue is – it’s one thing to be vermin scum – it’s quite another to show one’s self on websites and stink up the place with one’s foul feral stench and unearned right to express opinions or do anything other than sit in a corner shrinking in shame at the unbearable nature of one’s hateful self-inflicted predicament.

    Imagine how much better off this country would be if everyone like me was still trying to get a job as a train driver with hundreds of other hopefuls – where the advice to unsuccessful applicants is to do wordfinder puzzles every day to ‘upskill’ enroute to their next eligible attempt. People that have actually driven trains in Australia can’t even get a job as a train driver in NZ – yes – this is a country that makes a lot of sense – it’s just that the peasants need to get with the programme.

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  233. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    BTW KS, its funny how you guys can take offence so quickly at what Redbaiter might say, but where are the lists of what commies have said to me that might be offensive? Funny how that doesn’t seem to be of concern to you.

    I’ll tell you why that is.

    This offence thing only swings one way. Only Progressives can be offended, and nothing they say to Conservatives can ever be offensive.

    Get the plan? You should, you used it against me, and if you ever did teach yourself about Dialectic Marxism, you’d know that.

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  234. stigie (887 comments) says:

    I guess your mental state wont allow you to answer it. Got that now !~

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  235. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    Judith

    A past commenter on these threads, “grumpyoldhori”, was pushed occasionally on what he would do to stem the tide of young Maori following their parents into a life of crime. Not surprisingly he was of the same view as David Garrett in that getting in early was the key to success.

    His solution was along the line of boarding schools where the kids were taught & mentored by people with a bit of mana who could lead the little buggers in the right direction. They would still spend holidays with their families.

    Expensive certainly, but I reckon he was on the right track.

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  236. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    @ nasska (10,167 comments) says:
    June 15th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    It seems the sensible thing to do. If you leave an immature mind in an environment that is really bad, then they are going to absorb it like a sponge. Yes it will cost – big bucks and it will annoy the living hell out of the people that think keeping families together should be our first priority, but its pointless waiting until they’ve committed their third, fourth or fifth crime – by then its habitual. We have to strike hard on the first one – and even if that crime was a ‘mistake’, they will soon learn not to repeat it.

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  237. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    I want to learn how to milk cows instead of taxpayers . . . possible career change – is there a funny as fuck farmer in the house ?? I’ll need some work experience.

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  238. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    Give it a go LR&C….so long as you’re not afraid of early starts & you’re aware that the art of dairying involves turning mud into milk you’ll do okay. You’ve picked the right time as the flush will kick off in the next month or two & there’s plenty of work coming up.

    Most cow cockies don’t require experience…..just reliability & a willingness to learn.

    Have a look at http://www.godairy.co.nz/dairy-careers/job-hunters/finding-employment-on-a-dairy-farm-guide

    If this doesn’t help try to get access to local newspapers in the Manawatu or Wairarapa. There will be job vacancies coming up.

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  239. All_on_Red (1,332 comments) says:

    “His solution was along the line of boarding schools”

    Great idea, we could get the Catholics to manage them.
    Bwahahahaha he says running away very fast…
    Bomb throwing aside- it’s a good idea but perhaps not with the Church.

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  240. Judith (7,460 comments) says:

    Not boarding schools as such – too much idle time.

    But perhaps farms with schools attached, and a hierarchy system. Effort gets reward. Work them from sun up to sunset (idle hands and minds create mischief) but don’t forget to reward when they get it right – show them working hard and being good is the best way, and will achieve results.

    Show them how to have fun – in a way that doesn’t involve theft, drugs, violence etc.

    Basically go back to the beginning and start just after the potty training stage (although some could even do with lessons in that).

    The biggest problem wouldn’t be the cost – it would be those that think keeping the family together is best for everyone. A tried and failed method that no one will admit doesn’t often work.

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  241. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    Judith

    I actually spent over three years (3rd form to expulsion) at a boarding school & there wasn’t much spare time allocated to get into serious trouble. The academic, cultural, sporting & if you are unfortunate religious crap, takes up most of the day & half the night.

    Cost is a big factor but useless social workers, police resources & youth “experts” yapping endlessly while getting nowhere don’t come cheap either.

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  242. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Yeah – well – it’s something to think about. I don’t know what happened to me but I can watch an entire farming programme on TV without falling asleep more than twice now.

    No – seriously – like everything else that requires knowledge and skill I look right up to the farmers. Naz – do you know the people I saw on TV ? They were from Wairarapa – top farmers breeding something with four legs – sheep probably – and they were shown wondering what they’d get at auction – if they’d get the top price – it was $900 or something they were hoping for and they fell just short in the high 800s ? But they got the best price out of all the farmers ? Or had the best sheep award ? Any of this ringing anything for ya ? They keep on winning each year anyway – father and son.

    ‘flush’ you farmers and your lingo – I’m a fucking townie – what are you talkin bout Willis ??

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  243. dirty harry (416 comments) says:

    8 month old baby from Hamilton east admitted to hospital with serious injuries , male has been arrested from the address…

    Gee.. I wonder..

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  244. minus (132 comments) says:

    “Currently it is not a case where police are seeking specific answers as to what happened, more it is a case of identifying the questions we seek answers to and until such time as we have identified these it would be inappropriate to speculate further.

    “The only thing further we can confirm is that this incident was one of a domestic nature and domestic violence is no respecter of class or station, it affects persons from all walks of life and our message is, there is plenty of help available, you just need to take the first step and ask for help.”

    So maybe not, dirty harry …

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  245. goldnkiwi (985 comments) says:

    Judith (6,559 comments) says:

    June 15th, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    Can’t discriminate. The same treatment for all babies born in NZ, the criterion is too subjective otherwise. All removed at birth to be ‘saved’.

    All children of those incarcerated are not guaranteed the same lifestyle. Based on ethnicity? Based on first ‘brush’ with the law?

    Stolen generations seem analogous. What age for removal would you suggest?

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  246. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    LR&C

    If they were getting that sort of money for sheep they must have been running a stud breeding unit. That is a game on its own, suited mainly to succession farmers as it takes so long to breed the traits you’re after into a flock.

    By “flush” I meant that most (but not all) dairy farmers plan to have their herds calve & therefore start producing milk when the best grass growth is coming up. All grass is not the same…..spring growth has more protein than summer/autumn…..about 20% vs 10% but don’t read too much into that…..it’s far more complicated. “Town supply” farms used to get a premium for their milk because they were contracted to supply year round but I think that’s gone by the board.

    I’ve never worked in dairy but there’s no shortage of info on the Net

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  247. dirty harry (416 comments) says:

    Just gobble de gook pc talk Minus

    Watch this space.

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  248. David Garrett (6,308 comments) says:

    Well that’s calmed down a bit…He’s obviously taken my well meaning advice to have a lie down and a cup of tea…

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  249. big bruv (13,209 comments) says:

    ““I ask this question genuinely of you Reddy. The 4th time now i have asked this and very keen to know ?”

    I don’t care how many times you ask it. I think you’re a whining wittering piece of shit and therefore I don’t answer your questions.

    Got it retard?”

    Bedwetter never answers questions for the simple reason that he cannot. To do so would expose himself as a lair.

    Time and time again I have exposed his bullshit, time and time again I have asked him to substantiate his many lies yet he knows he cannot do so.

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  250. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    It’s proportional….the more false the statement the more abusive the response to queries. :)

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  251. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    I think Reddy’s mum ordered an early dinner. It’s bath night too, so he won’t be back.

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  252. Harriet (4,495 comments) says:

    “……It’s proportional….the more false the statement the more abusive the response to queries….’

    “we’re born this way” advocates get abusive if you querie them on that from any angle…….just say…..’20 gays and 20 lesos would change if they were the last people on earth, so as to save mankind’…….

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  253. Yvette (2,684 comments) says:

    TVNZ NEWSAT SIX
    The combined Internet-Mana Party is tonight launching a campaign to get rid of the notorious ‘coat tailing’ clause at elections.
    Internet Party leader Laila Harre is relying on Hone Harawira to win his northern Maori seat in order to get into Parliament as the alliance is only attracting 1.3% of the vote.

    However, despite a plan to do it, Internet and Mana want the coat tailing provision gone.
    … They deny they’re hypocrites.

    Oh, really …

    Coat tailing has seen National all but announce another deal with Act in Epsom and John Key may do the same for Colin Craig’s Conservatives in the hope of the gaining some supportive MPs.

    Internet-Mana is critical of such deals but still wants to talk to Labour about making it easier for Mr Harawira to win his seat.

    Oh …

    … They deny they’re hypocrites.

    Merde

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  254. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    ….”’20 gays and 20 lesos would change if they were the last people on earth, so as to save mankind”…..

    They wouldn’t have to change….just come to some sort of understanding.

    For instance, a few gay magazines & a turkey baster would solve the impregnation problem? :)

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  255. Harriet (4,495 comments) says:

    Nasska3

    ….”’20 gays and 20 lesos would change if they were the last people on earth, so as to save mankind”…..

    gaHEY’s would actually then change to save hetrosexuality…..which underpins mankind

    …….ain’t that the truth!

    Sit on that and spin mikey! :cool:

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  256. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    Q What’s the best part of punching a Harriet in the face? A: You get the pleasure of punching a woman but with none of the guilt!

    Q: What’s the best thing about shagging a harriet? A: When you reach round, it feels like it’s gone all the way through!

    “Mom, I need to ask you for something?” “Sure! What about?” replied mother. “Well, I’m already fourteen and.. I think it’s just proper that I should own one.” “Own ‘one’ what?” mother asked suspiciously. “Could you buy me a push up bra?” “No.” “But my nipples are already prominent and it catches attention.” “Nope.” “I think it would be just proper at my age…” “I said no way…!” “But all of my friends wear!” “harry! How many times must I tell you that bras are for girls?”

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  257. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    El Guava swings by.. or something..

    http://coub.com/embed/19itn

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  258. Ross12 (1,143 comments) says:

    Yvette @6.29

    Clearly the IM polls are showing a huge backlash against them and Hone is trying to eat humble pie.

    Go hard Kelvin Davis !!!

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  259. Harriet (4,495 comments) says:

    Q: What’s the best thing about shagging a harriet? A: When you reach round, it feels like it’s gone all the way through!

    That’s actualy very good Griff. :cool:

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  260. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    Live at home?

    Wait until your Dad falls asleep on the sofa, change the channel to Gay TV then dot a few tissues around him.

    Watch the hilarious reactions from your mother.

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  261. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    Have you been reading Viz ‘Top Tips’ again, nasska?

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  262. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    Nope….never heard of it. Got a link?

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  263. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    Griff walks into the dairy He goes up to the man behind the counter and says “got any weed?” He says “no!” So Griff leaves. The next day Griff comes back and asks the guy behind the counter “Hey you got any weed?” The man says “No I told you yesterday, we don’t sell weed here.” So Griff leaves again. Griff walks in the next day and says “Got any weed?” The clerk behind the counter says, “Look you fuckin burnout stoner wasted loser we don’t sell weed here, if you come in here again, I’m goin to nail your fuckin teeth to the floor!!!” So Griff leaves. He comes in the next day. “You got any nails?” “No”, the clerk replies. Griff looks at him in the eyes and says, “You got any weed?”

    Q. What do you call a stoner that just broke up with his girlfriend?

    A. Homeless.

    Q. If there are two potheads in the back of a car, then who is driving?

    A. The cop!!!

    Q. How do you get an one-armed hippie out of a tree?

    A. Pass him a joint

    A cop stops a Griff and says “Your eyes are red, have you been smoking weed?” and Griff replies “Your eyes are glazed, have you been eating donuts?”

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  264. Harriet (4,495 comments) says:

    “……Our climate has accumulated

    3,041,962,588

    Hiroshima atomic bombs

    of heat since 1979……..”

    HAhahhahhhahhahah

    That’s a counting machine that the fucken nutters over at TS have – ticks over faster than a second hand on a clock.[go have a look]

    3 billion atomic bombs worth of heat?

    Well let’s look at that then :

    That’s over 30 yrs – which is 100,000,000 atomic bombs going off each year – 2,000,000 a fucken week – 300,000 atomic bombs a fucken day – every fucken day for the last 30 yrs!

    Well of course the temprature would increase by 0.00000021 degrees with that happening. :cool:

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  265. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/er6yhf3lvkpjdsc/Itmustbeevil%201.jpg

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  266. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    http://www.viz.co.uk/toptips.php

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  267. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    Thanks cha……I’ll bookmark it.

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  268. Griff (6,698 comments) says:

    The earth’s climate continues to absorb heat at the cruelly frightening rate of 7.4 quadrillion kitten sneezes per second.
    http://davidappell.blogspot.co.nz/2013/12/kitten-sneezes-are-worse-than-hiros.html

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  269. stigie (887 comments) says:

    Students at a local school were assigned to read 2 books, ‘Titanic’ and ‘My Life’ by Bill Clinton.

    One student turned in the following book report, with the proposition that they were nearly identical stories!

    His cool professor gave him an A+ for this report.

    Titanic: Cost – $29.99
    Clinton : Cost – $29.99

    Titanic: Over 3 hours to read
    Clinton : Over 3 hours to read

    Titanic: The story of Jack and Rose, their forbidden love, and subsequent catastrophe.
    Clinton : The story of Bill and Monica, their forbidden love, and subsequent catastrophe.

    Titanic: Jack is a starving artist.
    Clinton : Bill is a bullshit artist..

    Titanic: In one scene, Jack enjoys a good cigar.
    Clinton : Ditto for Bill
    Titanic: During the ordeal, Rose’s dress gets ruined.
    Clinton : Ditto for Monica.

    Titanic: Jack teaches Rose to spit.
    Clinton : Let’s not go there.

    Titanic: Rose gets to keep her jewellery.
    Clinton : Monica is forced to return her gifts..

    Titanic: Rose remembers Jack for the rest of her life.
    Clinton : Clinton doesn’t remember anything.

    Titanic: Rose goes down on a vessel full of seamen.
    Clinton : Monica.. Ooh, let’s not go there, either.

    Titanic: Jack surrenders to an icy death.
    Clinton : Bill goes home to Hillary – basically the same thing

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  270. nasska (10,609 comments) says:

    A visitor is waiting with his mate for the lift to take them to the top of the Sky Tower.

    “I’m closing my eyes when we’re at the top.”

    “Why…are you scared of heights?” asks his offsider.

    “Nah” was the reply, “it’s just that Auckland looks even more of a shit hole from up there.”

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  271. stigie (887 comments) says:

    In northern Saskatchewan, Yorkton to be exact, a wife texts her husband on a
    cold winter’s morning:
    “Windows frozen, won’t open, I don’t know what to do”.

    “Husband texts back:
    “Gently pour some lukewarm water over it, give it a few
    minutes and try again”.

    Wife texts back five minutes later:
    “Computer really fucked now.”

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  272. Gulag1917 (638 comments) says:

    The New Totalitarians by Huntford Roland.
    https://app.box.com/s/zokrq21kdz5gdqk4ilql

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  273. Gulag1917 (638 comments) says:

    The future

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  274. RF (1,260 comments) says:

    In another life I was a member of our local Labour LEC and finished up in a reasonably high position. I became tired of the underhand dealings and back stabbing by very jealous members who did not like others getting a perceived better deal than them.

    Anyhow I still keep in touch with a few good friends who hang in for the good old days of Micky Savage. The real one not the has been ambulance chaser. Word is that Phil Goff fancies his chances for the leadership after a few recent appearances on the Mike Hosking Wednesday slot with Steven Joyce. Moonbeam king has been away during the last few weeks and Goff was standing in.

    I hear he is again taking lessons on how to walk with a swagger and has become quite vocal about Labour issues. He is one of a number in the Labour caucus who detest Cunliffe and hate his guts.

    There are deep rumblings in the labour camp whose internal polls show they are in deep shit.

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  275. Hair Removal Specialist (74 comments) says:

    LRC, I believe you are talking about an episode of country calendar. They were beef farmers with a farm out on the waits raps coast.

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  276. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    If the sentence passed on the thug below is any measure, then Banksy definitely should not go to the slammer over his electioneering charge.

    http://www.scene.co.nz/out-of-it-basher-of-elderly-at-gibbston-concert-gets-home-detention/316743a1.page

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  277. deadrightkev (273 comments) says:

    I cannot believe the vile retarded commentary that Colin Craig got dealt on Whaleoil over a single photograph.

    There is an anti Colin Craig and Jamie Whyte agenda in play there and balanced reporting is not part of the plan.

    If ever there was a one sided National party stooge blog created to stroke the owners massive ego that is it.

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