General Debate 18 June 2014

June 18th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Fresh Bluff Oyestes

    – sign at Food Star, a Tawa takeaway.

    Knock-off version for the cash-strapped. Close in taste to the genuine article, much cheaper, don’t ask questions !!

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  2. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    Hullo. anyone there?

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  3. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    A girl from Sacred Heart College – whose father suspended Lucan – posted foul-mouthed tweets about the St John’s College boy, calling him “a sack of s. .t” and “beyond pathetic” for “taking my dad and principal of St John’s to court”.

    The girl’s father chaired the St John’s disciplinary subcommittee that suspended Lucan from the Hastings college on May 22. The school lifted the suspension on May 30, allowing him to return if he cut his hair first. Lucan offered to tie his hair back, but this was unacceptable to the school.
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    Nice. don’t ya just luv it when the Catholics start fighting among themselves.

    Dad Chair of the disciplinary committee.
    Daughter a foul mouthed Catholic girl.

    oh Dear Call the Priest. Lots of koha and Hail Mary’s needed.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/10169911/Boy-in-hair-row-abused-by-chairs-daughter

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  4. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Morning all.

    “…….As Muammar Gaddafi once pointed out, some invasions are prosecuted “without sword, without gun, without conquest.” “We don’t need terrorists; we don’t need homicide bombers,” he said. “The 50 plus million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into the Muslim Continent within a few decades.” Of course, in the waning West, we call this “diversity” and “demographic change.”

    If the Joneses were somehow gaining access to the Smith’s home, squatting there and slowly taking over while the police refused to enforce trespassing laws, no one would wonder if the Smiths objected. The fact that Joneses aren’t Smiths would be explanation enough. Or let’s say that millions of Chinese were flooding the Ivory Coast, were supplanting African culture and threatening to soon outnumber the Africans. Would we be surprised if the Ivorians were up in arms? Would anthropologists call the transformation anything but cultural genocide?

    Again, though, we call this diversity. But there’s a funny thing about that oh-so necessary quality:

    It’s only encouraged in Western lands.

    If diversity is such an imperative, why don’t we push it in Saudi Arabia, Japan, Tunisia, or Rwanda? And don’t tell me we’re just minding our own business, as Obama thought nothing of parading around Africa last year preaching about homosexual rights….”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/06/benedict_obamas_invasion_of_america.html

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  5. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Daughter a foul mouthed Catholic girl.

    Is there any other kind? :-)

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  6. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Girl sticks up for dad,uses bad language and makes some mistakes
    If she were my daughter I would caution her on bad language and what happens when you use public mediums to vent.
    I would also be proud as hell on her intentions even if she didnt quite get it right.

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  7. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Best solve for foul language from dirty catholic girls is to stick something in their mouths IMHO

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  8. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    First it was a book. Now there’s a bottle of wine, reported to have been bought by Donghua Liu for far, far more than the $15k he paid for the book.

    And why would Rick Barker interrupt a private holiday in China to travel 1800km each way to the city that Liu lived in, just to visit his cement factory and have dinner? Judith reckons Judith Collins was corrupt for a 30km diversion for a glass of milk and a private dinner; what does that make Mr Barker Judith?

    And where did the money go? You don’t just lose track of $15k, and you most certainly do not lose track of a sum of money several times larger than $15k, but it’s never been declared. It’s time for Penny Bright to break her silence!

    Labour and Green MP’s go on about the “sniff test”. When you apply the sniff test to the Labour Party taking donations from Donghua Liu whilst criticising National for declaring a donation from the same bloke, the stench of hypocrisy is overpowering.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/the-liulabour-saga-deepens.html

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  9. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “…….Griff (6,406 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 8:28 am

    Best solve for foul language from dirty catholic girls is to stick something in their mouths IMHO…..”

    “…..In the tweets, which her father said had since been deleted, she wrote: “shame lucan you f. . .ing faggot, have fun trying to get the school to let ya keep your hair long”…..”

    God Bless her!

    Jesus was not all meek and mild when he walked this earth.

    He wasn’t one of those National type metrosexuals – walking about all PC like on matters of public health!

    Taxpayers pay for the hypersexual lifestyle, through education, repeat healthcare, funding to ‘suport groups’ grants ect ect.

    And nothing changes. Hypersexual health is still in a terrible state. Pay-as-you-go sexual healthcare should be the next step. Like alcohol and smoking.

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  10. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Some amusing definitions of Conservatism from the ignorant and pathologically Communist brethren who proliferate on Kiwiblog:

    a conservative government is

    – one which preserves the reforms of its predecessors

    – not so much right wing as the loony tunes extremes of authoritarian control freak.

    – a hard right, religious driven dictatorship.

    – narrow, dictatorial rubbish

    – a fear of change

    – a society that is ruled by the bible.

    – A Godfearing version of Singapore complete with an unchangeable single party totalitarian government.

    – an effective dictatorship

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  11. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Labour further making fools of themselves on Larry Williams last evening. Why do they have failed small businessman Parker as spokesman on finance, a topic he is totally out of touch with. He cannot answer a question without digressing . . . no wonder he went broke, ruining his business partner, before slithering under Labour’s wing into Parliament. There is no place in politics for these types of failures, and let’s not forget, he has misled Parliament on more than one occasion, regarding his failed business escapades.

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  12. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Griff proposing to have sexual liasions with a school girl.
    Class all round,yeah right.

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  13. Odakyu-sen (651 comments) says:

    Here you go, Harriet,

    An except from a report on the problems with the UN 1951 Refugee Convention

    “While many poor and developing countries have become signatories, the flow of asylum seekers has remained to wealthy Western countries, and in its operation the Refugee Convention has developed, in the words of the Immigration Minister, as ‘essentially a standard that is being imposed on developed countries’.(15) In fact, it is a standard ‘imposed’ on Western countries. Japan in 1999 received 260 asylum applications, of which it approved 13. South Korea acceded to the Convention in 1992. Since then it has received a total of 50 asylum applications, of which it has approved none.(16) Singapore is not a signatory to the Convention or the Protocol.

    Japan, South Korea and Singapore aren’t stupid or guilt-ridden; moreover, they are very proud of their culture and heritage (perhaps a little too proud, sometimes).

    Ref: http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp0001/01RP05

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  14. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    igm – “Why do they have failed small businessman Parker as spokesman on finance, a topic he is totally out of touch with”

    Because they have no one else. All the rest are B PolScis and consider accounting icky, non-important stuff. Why worry about getting your sums right if you can just put taxes up if it goes wrong?

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  15. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    calling him “a sack of s. .t” and “beyond pathetic”

    Oh oh oh, she ABUSED him, that’s her up against the wall then….!!!

    And of course after they’ve shot her once, they need to prop her dead body up against another wall and shoot her again for being Catholic.

    Stinking Marxists bastards and their hypocrisy and cant.

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  16. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    KS@8:30

    When you apply the sniff test to the Labour Party.., the stench of hypocrisy is overpowering.

    FIFY

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  17. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    lilman (794 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 8:41 am
    You do have such a filthy mind I was thinking of a lollypop and you think sex :lol:

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  18. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen,

    thanks. And I noticed it is from the australian fed gov library!

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  19. Rich Prick (1,701 comments) says:

    OneTrack, try the sniff test on the Internet-Mana Party, all I come up with is the odour of Kim’s onesie.

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  20. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    @ One Track – hard to argue with that :D

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  21. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    That Fairfax -employed relative of the London Telegraph’s infamous and late John Reason (sic), Mark, is at it again in the Dom Post this morning. Stuff is not permitting comments on his trash today, so let me reply via KB with some pertinent ibservations…..

    There he goes again, Mr Reason having another brain explosion, demonstrating, yet again, his lamentable knowledge of matters rugby.

    He talks of the power of his vaunted pongolian Orcs. P Jackson nailed them. The Orcs are thick. Big, but thick.

    Man on man, there is not one, not a single one, that I would include in an AB pack ahead of those in the starting 8, or on the bench. Look at that tub of lard, Wilson. A prop of size, but no agility, speed about the field….. or real explosive strength. Swap Whitelock or Retallick for an English lock? No way. Their selection policy may have worked in the days when there was no limitation on kicking for touch.

    Now for the backs, and just one example is needed. Mr Reason speaks of Tuilagi ( who has speed over 15-20 M, but 40M, let alone 60, was too far for him) and says he should have angled in-field to improve the chances of support. But angling in-field would have reduced the distance that B Smith had to cover. Moreover, C Jane had run down Brown and was in perfect position to eliminate any in-pass from Tuilagi. So Smith made his tackle, and won the turn over ball. The second player there was Jane (who entered the ruck with care), and the third Conrad Smith who subsequently broke up-field.

    Mr Reason, if you are going to continue to offer comment on the ABs and international level rugby, please get some expert technical advice before you tap your lap top.

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  22. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, the pathetically socialist NZ Labour Party continues to push compulsion on every aspect of life.

    This bunch of despicable comrades enjoy controlling, regulating, managing, and telling other people what to do with their lives.

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  23. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Pesky kea are again bothering homeowners in Kaiteriteri, a seaside town in the Tasman district, and the message from authorities is that humans have to learn to co-exist with the curious birds

    Update for those curious of kea’s latest whereabouts. Still Mr Popularity I see :)

    Remember for September – you humans have to learn to co-exist with the curious birds . . .

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  24. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    … There is no place in politics for these types of failures, and let’s not forget, he has misled Parliament on more than one occasion…

    Presenting a list of those who hadn’t mis-lead parliament would take much less time, than presenting a list of those who have.

    Sadly, for New Zealand politics, misleading parliament has become more common and mis-leading the electorate is a normal activity these days.

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  25. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Busy day planned, LRC?

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  26. stephieboy (3,054 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen ,

    “Japan, South Korea and Singapore aren’t stupid or guilt-ridden; moreover, they are very proud of their culture and heritage (perhaps a little too proud, sometimes).”

    These countries are not stupid or guilt ridden because they simply do not have the land area like we do to accommodate refugees.or asylum seekers.Singapore has a land area of roughly the same size as the Auckland Isthmus and a population of 5.2 million. Japan similar in size to NZ but over 100 million people.
    BTW our refugee quota is a modest one at 750 per year I can’t see even the Con Party overturning that ,but go on ,whinge as much as you like .!

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  27. ross411 (838 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (9,988 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 8:30 am
    First it was a book. Now there’s a bottle of wine, reported to have been bought by Donghua Liu for far, far more than the $15k he paid for the book.

    The list goes on. And of course, it pays to remind people that Labour’s chief of staff Matt McCarten stole his employee’s tax money and gave it to the Labour party. I hope someday when I am running a company, the IRD allows me to do this sort of thing as well.

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  28. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “shame lucan you f. . .ing faggot,”

    Aaaah, really warms the cockles of my heart to see such spirit in fighting Marxism’s creeping grey cultural watchtower guards.

    She’s no socialist whitebait.

    You go girl..!!

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  29. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    MM – most of my ‘day’ is gone. It started at 22 45 hours 17.6.2014.

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  30. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Sleep all day, then?

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  31. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Why not?

    Working NZ is paying for his food and shelter.

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  32. hj (7,011 comments) says:

    stephieboy (1,714 comments) says:
    These countries are not stupid or guilt ridden because they simply do not have the land area like we do to accommodate refugees.or asylum seekers.Singapore has a land area of roughly the same size as the Auckland Isthmus and a population of 5.2 million. Japan similar in size to NZ but over 100 million people.
    ….
    Oh Bullshit.
    The Japanese are protecting their culture. They don’t like Japanese Brazilians because of the cultural differences. They are an ethnic state.
    “Singapore is delaying the construction of roughly 2 billion Singapore dollars ($1.6 billion) of infrastructure projects to limit demand for migrant labor and assuage simmering anger over immigration.”
    http://blogs.wsj.com/searealtime/2014/05/29/singapore-to-delay-infrastructure-work-to-limit-influx-of-foreigners/

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  33. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m sure LRC is meeting all of the stringent requirements from Work and Income.

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  34. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Have a look at the former Journal of Record today…prominent story ” Kiwi Kids worse of than those living in India’s slums”…the author of the “study” the story is based on is Dr Jonathon Boston, who once taught me at Canterbury…lately he seems to have become some sort of expert on everything – he strongly opposed three strikes as well…can’t remember why now..

    The “story” is helpfully illustrated with two photos…one of a kiwi kid in the “one bedroom rental she shares with her family”..it shows a well made bed, an oil column heater and a TV…with curtains on the windows…The shot in Mumbai shows two kids standing beside their “house”, a brown tarpaulin….perhaps the sub-editor who laid it out though the story was as stupid as I do

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  35. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    MM – do you give a fuck ? It’s no skin off my nose to answer whatever you want. As Russ says – you’re paying for it. So – ask away.

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  36. ross411 (838 comments) says:

    Judith (6,632 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 9:04 am
    Presenting a list of those who hadn’t mis-lead parliament would take much less time, than presenting a list of those who have.

    Sadly, for New Zealand politics, misleading parliament has become more common and mis-leading the electorate is a normal activity these days.

    But what is misleading? Sometimes as time goes by, what was once stated or said becomes untrue or irrelevant, due to factors beyond control. So you get bitter angry people, doing what bitter angry people do, and looking for reasons to paint someone badly. Often their pet annoyances when looked in a fair light, are merely them unfairly airing their anger and bitterness.

    Take Fletch yesterday. He was extremely angry Obama dared to have some personal time to play golf, ignoring that Obama can’t work 24/7 and there are experts who have better knowledge and the authority to likely deal with whatever incident Fletch put on a pedestal. I could say that Fletch is angry a black man isn’t at his beck and call, but that would be misleading. Realistically Fletch is either being misleading trying to make Obama look bad, or he is a delusional angry and bitter person who gloms onto meaningless things and tries to paint someone badly with them.

    It’s all very well for you to say someone is misleading, but it means very little unless you provide a list of examples. And they turn out to be well reasoned.

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  37. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    An infernal sight:

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  38. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    LRC
    I don’t care. You go and do your thing. I just laugh at those who want to have a go at you; same as I laugh when they have a go at me.

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  39. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett (5,808 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Their physical environments certainly seem as if the Kiwi child has the better life – but I wonder if the Indian child is as likely to suffer from violent or sexual abuse as the Kiwi child?

    What are the Indian statistics on child abuse? Do they come close or equal or ‘beat’ ours? Are they even objectively recorded?

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  40. hj (7,011 comments) says:

    Take Chinese, dissolve in Western progressivism:

    For over two millennia, the Chinese thought of themselves as a civilization rather than a nation. The most fundamental defining features of China today, and which give the Chinese their sense of identity, emanate not from the last century when China has called itself a nation-state but from the previous two millennia when it can be best described as a civilization-state: the relationship between the state and society, a very distinctive notion of the family, ancestral worship, Confucian values, the network of personal relationships that we call guanxi, Chinese food and the traditions that surround it, and, of course, the Chinese language with its unusual relationship between the written and spoken form. The implications are profound: whereas national identity in Europe is overwhelmingly a product of the era of the nation-state – in the United States almost exclusively so – in China, on the contrary, the sense of identity has primarily been shaped by the country’s history as a civilization-state. Although China describes itself today as a nation-state, it remains essentially a civilization-state in terms of history, culture, identity and ways of thinking. China’s geological structure is that of a civilization-state; the nation-state accounts for little more than the top soil.

    China, as a civilization-state, has two main characteristics. Firstly, there is its exceptional longevity, dating back to even before the break-up of the Roman Empire. Secondly, the sheer scale of China – both geographic and demographic – means that it embraces a huge diversity. Contrary to the Western belief that China is highly centralised, in fact in many respects the opposite is the case: indeed, it would have been impossible to govern the country – either now or in the dynastic period – on such a basis. It is simply too large. The implications in terms of the way the Chinese think are profound.

    http://www.martinjacques.com/articles/civilization-state-versus-nation-state-2/

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  41. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    A comment from whale oil for those of you not familiar with the historic tick wanking controversy
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/06/redbaiter-would-have-been-redfaced-if-this-feature-was-available-back-then/
    Pete Mod Guest • a year ago

    The headline on this post is just meant to be funny, and not meant to start a redbaiter bash-a-thon. I apologise to redbaiter for having started this mess!

    However, you asked for ‘evidence’.

    There were only two credible answers:

    1) he did it himself
    2) he has a group of people following him wherever he goes who provide the majority of upvotes on his comments within a very short period of the comment being posted

    Answer 1 is simply more plausible.

    One of the most upvoted commenters is Travis Poulson. And even when he chucks out one of his pearlers it takes several hours to accumulate the upvotes. In comparison, redbaiter would collect his within the first 15-30 minutes, with a few stragglers following over the rest of the day.

    This sort of “upvote pattern” is exclusive to redbaiter. Nobody else enjoys that sort of instant approbation from the readers. So, unless he has a couple of dozen groupies hanging on every utterance the moment he shares it, I truly believe his popularity, such as it is, is largely of his own creation.

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  42. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    lilman (794 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 8:26 am

    Girl sticks up for dad,uses bad language and makes some mistakes
    If she were my daughter I would caution her on bad language and what happens when you use public mediums to vent.
    I would also be proud as hell on her intentions even if she didnt quite get it right.
    =============================

    She behaved in an abusive manner in a matter that was really not her concern. If she is like that one is left wondering what the father is like!
    Perhaps this might be part of the problem.

    Imagine if the boy had attacked her by calling her a slut or many other things like that.
    You would be ranting and raving along with all the other feminazi’s.

    Hope her School suspends her. Its a disciplinary matter for them now.
    Wonder what the results will be. eh.

    Meanwhile maybe Dad should quit as well. Clearly he has double standards when it comes to his kid as opposed to someone else’s.

    and kids luv nothing better than authority with double standards.

    As far as I have read it seems to me that both the boy and his Dad have conducted themselves in a good mannered way.

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  43. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Griff (6,408 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    Have you noticed the amount of ticks that are amassed when Christianity is the topic. The religious nutters come from near and far to ensure God’s presence is recorded. Personally I can’t imagine Redbaiter worrying in the slightest whether people vote for or against him. If he did, he wouldn’t post some of the things he does, and would join the other lemmings who only post things that are ‘safe’.

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  44. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    He does have a huge fan base Griff…so we are lead to believe !~

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  45. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Fair enough. I’ll answer your question though, no trouble. Q: Do I sleep all day ? During winter at its coldest or during cold snaps it’s easier to sleep during the day. Because the day time temp is higher. That means saving using a heater or electric blanket or using them less or at lower settings and keeping the power bill down. There’s a few other reasons too if you wanted them (which thankfully you don’t).

    But if it’s a very nice hot champagne sunshining day – it’s too nice to sleep and I’ll just keep on trucking and enjoy it. Which could mean being awake something like 24-30 hours. 30-36 hours occasionally. It gets weird when meal times repeat themselves and it’s time to eat breakfast again. Can be followed by 12-18 hours asleep. I set a new record recently – a whole calendar day without food or drink – it just happened. It wasn’t planned.

    Oh – don’t worry I know that. Russ would still be just as charming if I got a job tomorrow. He needs to come out with me to Cannon’s Creek and talk to some of the locals about stealing taxpayer money.

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  46. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “…….mikenmild (10,058 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Busy day planned, LRC?……”

    Coming from you….the biggest public servant bludger? …….the nerve of it

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  47. Ryan Sproull (7,144 comments) says:

    Here’s a fun one. Apparently “Men’s Rights Groups” with fake accounts pretending to be feminists were pushing an “End Father’s Day” campaign.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/your-slip-is-showing-4chan-trolls-operation-lollipop

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  48. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’m on holiday today Harriet. Thank you for your concern.

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  49. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    LRC: How do you buy the speed to keep you up for 30 hours? Or is it “home brew”?

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  50. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Banned on Whaleoil for one reason really, and that was that I exposed Cameron Slater as an enthusiastic member of the Prog faction of the National Party, a group of infiltrators led by John Key who are intent on converting the party from its founding Conservative intent into a shallow and weak neo-Marxist model.

    Slater couldn’t stand that in taking this stance, I became the most popular commenter on his site. He therefore made up the lie that I was upticking myself, and banned me for once calling him a dickhead, (or something like that) a criticism that other commenters frequently get away with without getting banned.

    The Progressives who have taken over the National Party are just neo-communists who will slowly lead NZ more and more into the Marxist swamp, and the dopey voters who don’t know what is going on are helping them in this intent. It is essential to these NINOs that people do not wake up to what they are about, and that is why Slater banned me and made up lies to try and undermine the support I had.

    Its also why National sends its paid handbag swingers like TVDM here to attempt to ridicule me. Like all Marxists, they have no aversion to lies and deceit, and the thing they fear most of all is truth.

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  51. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    You really think DVM is paid to harass you? That’s some complex you have going on there, Reddy.

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  52. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Whale was getting up to fifty up ticks for reds comments at the time Judith.
    A fact that wedletter was fond of blathering about on here.
    I don’t give a toss about ticks karma or others opinion.
    But red does and his self masturbation and when caught out resultant melt down got him banned permanently from whale.
    Quote mining like this mornings effort again shows the mindset and distinct lack of morals of the “champion of conservative values”.

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  53. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    DG – You can stay awake for a very very long time *as long as* you don’t actually try to do anything real beyond a certain point. Have you ever woken up driving a bus or a truck ? hahahahaha . . . those were the days.

    No tobacco, no drugs, no alcohol.

    When you think about it – time is a very very weird thing. You only know what time it is by whether it’s day or night . . . or a clock or watch – or if you feel your sleep window open. The power of the mind can turn time on its head.

    Before logbooks – old truckies will tell you all kinds of tall sounding tales about what they used to get up to driving stupidly long stints – up and down islands in one sitting. There’s a whole world out there beyond ‘normal’ . . .

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  54. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Milky, don’t ask the bludger about himself thank you.

    Like Grief, he’s suffering from an extremely bad case of pathological narcissism, and only needs the slightest excuse to bore us all stupid with scores of lines of self focused worthless crap about the daily minutiae of his bludging.

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  55. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “You really think DVM is paid to harass you? That’s some complex you have going on there, Reddy.”

    He’s one of Key’s media advisors. The prog idiots who Key employs to tell him what to do and say in his quest to stay popular. It sends him apoplectic to see his work being undone.

    Probably him who mistakenly sent the painfully craven briefing notes to Newstalkzb.

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  56. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Arms smugglers, money launderers and fraudsters have been using New Zealand registered companies, an international financial blog alleges, and it says the registration problem still hasn’t been fixed.

    The Naked Capitalism blog’s latest post by Richard Smith says:

    … more than 180 live companies [are] still operating in New Zealand that seem to have exactly the same dubious profile as the many thousands of companies struck off by the New Zealand Registrar of Companies between 2007 and 2012…

    I don’t know who Smith is, but he had detailed information about NZ Companies Office registrations, and he has made a series of earlier posts in the blog on dubious foreigners taking advantage of NZ’s light-handed company registration.

    Smith in this latest Naked Capitalism post highlights three Panamian directors with these details:

    Ulpiano Calderon Moreno, director of four live NZ companies and 106 companies struck off in what Smith calls the NZ registrar’s Great Deregistration Frenzy.

    Mario Antonio Alvarado Castillo, former director of one still-live NZ company, now directed by a Ukrainian, Larysa Boyko, and of 101 companies struck off in the NZ registrar’s Great Deregistration Frenzy.

    Diego Jacinto Batista Valdes, former director of one still-live NZ company, now directed by the same Ukrainian, Larysa Boyko, and of 118 more companies struck off in what Smith calls “the NZ registrar’s Great Deregistration Frenzy”.

    Smith says NZ has been twiddling its thumbs for three years over introducing a requirement that NZ registered companies should have a minimum of one NZ resident director.

    The Naked Capitalism blog is published by Susan Webber, of the New York management consultancy firm Aurora Advisers Inc. This firm’s web site lists the firm’s clients as including: American Express, Bankers Trust, Dresdner Bank, Industrial Bank of Japan, Lehman Brothers, McKinsey & Company, and Soros Fund Management. Webber, a Harvard MBA, founded Aurora Advisors in 1989.

    Naked Capitalism says of Richard Smith:

    Richard focuses on international investment scams that enrich the unscrupulous and impoverish the credulous. He is also interested in banking, regulation and enforcement. Sometimes he notices the affinity between these two subject matters.

    Any Kiwiblog posters know who Smith is?

    Links:

    Latest:
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/06/new-zealand-shell-company-incorporation-franchises-round.html

    Earlier posts on NZ company registrations in Naked Capitalism by Richard Smith:
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/author/richard-smith

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  57. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    I’m also racing you to 10 000 comments Russ – add that too every time you re-post the same thing in future please.

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  58. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    LRC
    What’s the longest time you’ve spent awake?

    I tried racing nasska to 10,000, but he was too far in front.

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  59. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Now the poor old chap thinks the National Party PAY someone to come and ridicule him on blogs!…Give it up Red…there is simply no need for any to come and ridicule you…not so long as you’re here yourself…

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  60. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    ‘Fresh buff Orestes’ might have had the male and female punters out in force.

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  61. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    A touch of Greek mythology to raise the tone on GD this morning.

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  62. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Hey griff – I got out ‘Bad Pharma’ from the library. Hats off to you for that one. Fucking quality mate. Depressing but it’s sadness of an outstanding calibre. It’s highbrow despair at its finest.

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  63. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “Now the poor old chap thinks the National Party PAY someone to come and ridicule him on blogs!”

    TVDM is on the Nat Party payroll as a media advisor to John key. He’s one of those who is working with Key to “modernise” the National party. IOW take it far from its Conservative founding principles and convert it into a Labour lite vehicle for Progressivism.

    Being responsible for Key’s media image, TDVM comes here to try and ensure his work in that area is not undone. You can quibble over whether that qualifies as getting paid to come here or not, but considering your frequent immunity to reason, I’m sure you’ll go on thinking whatever you want no matter what the facts are.

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  64. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Red: I’ll play…how do you KNOW: 1) Who Mr Da Vinci is and 2) that one of his jobs is to monitor blogs for Mr Key?

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  65. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    He admitted it long ago.

    Why don’t you ask him yourself?

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  66. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    mikenmild (10,063 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    I’m on holiday today Harriet. Thank you for your concern…………………”

    Milkys so called ‘holiday’ is EXACTLY THE SAME as EVERY DAY he spends in the public service………

    ……..the fucken nerve of the bludger………… :cool:

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  67. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Not that you Garret, in your pathological Marxism, are anyone to insist upon truth being written here.

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  68. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    He gets his updates each morning while listening to his Coco Pops DG. :)

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  69. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Red; do point me to some untruth I have told here…just in your own time..

    Nasska: Cocopops?? Might be a bit chewy…Farex perhaps? Or perhaps last nights veges through a mouli….(tricky word, need to be 50+ to know what it means…)

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  70. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    FO DG, you’ve had it pointed out to you plenty of times. You just do not care, and that’s why I say you’re suffering from the same pathological Marxism that identifies so many of the other commenters here.

    The willingness to lie about and smear someone else without a skerrick of conscience. Done so casually its astonishing.

    It never used to happen. Its a sick wide spread cowardice that has Marxist demoralisation as its source.

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  71. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Russell

    Your sense of self-importance precedes you. Why would Key pay me to harass a blustering fuckwit like yourself; a complete non-entity who has absolutely zero impact on anything other than the tone of this blog.

    He admitted it long ago.

    Lie. Straight out of the Marxist handbook – repeat it often enough and people will believe you. Only in your case, your fragile mental condition appears to have you believing it. But please don’t change! :lol:

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  72. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    The willingness to lie about and smear someone else without a skerrick of conscience

    Shameless! Oh, the ironing!! :lol:

    [edit: (head shaking font) what a fucking idiot!]

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  73. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    pathological Marxism

    Oh, the prose …

    He’s on a roll.

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  74. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    @ David Garrett – you didn’t agree with Redbaiter; that will be the untruth to which he refers. Anyone who doesn’t agree with him is a lyin’, stinkin’ commie; that probably accounts for 98% of those who comment here, in Big Red’s eyes.

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  75. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Oh, the frenetic handbag swinger is here in his usual damage control mode. Was it you sent the briefing papers to ZB? They reeked of your pathetically fashionable prog perspective.

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  76. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “you didn’t agree with Redbaiter; that will be the untruth to which he refers.”

    That is worse than pathetic.

    You Nat/ key supporters become so unhinged at criticism from the right.

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  77. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    Senior cop Mark Benefield has, along with John Banks and John Key, been charged of obstructing justice by “justice hero” Graham McCready. Is that the same Mark Benefield that was convicted of assault in Wanganui a couple of decades ago? In that case the Court found that his version of events was a proven lie.

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  78. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Red: You used to have modicum of credibility with me…you having been in the oil patch and all…albeit on shitty old land rigs…but then you put on the clip the other day of that rinky dink little single stander running spaghetti….you hinting you were in the filim…Sorry mate…some little toy that might get to 1000 metres on a good day with the old diesels running well just doesn’t cut it…You shouldna done that…

    KS: 98% of the commenters? I don’t think there is ANYONE sufficiently right enough for Red is there?? If so please tell me so I can look out for his insightful comments…

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  79. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Hell, I’ve got no real beef with anyone who is a left winger and merely promoting that view. Its the liars and smearers, those cowards who pose as right wingers who disgust me.

    TVDM, Grief, Narsekissa etc, a clique of miserable and stupid Progressives lacking the intellectual resources to argue their corner, they resort constantly to lies and smears as the only defence they are capable of, and the only one they are accustomed to, for they can never muster any logical and reasoned answer to criticism from the right.

    There are plenty of right wingers on here who do not do as the above. Lacking the Marxist immersion that has affected TVDm and Narsekissa etc, they don’t lie and smear, because they know they don’t have to.

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  80. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “…..You Nat/ key supporters become so unhinged at criticism from the right…..”

    Anyone can govern by forming committees to solve all the percieved ills of society. The USSR were noted for it.

    National call them select committees.

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  81. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre (2,745 comments) says:

    June 18th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    Ask those in 24 hour casinos how time flies with no clocks and little or no natural light.

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  82. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    Tears, so many tears…

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  83. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    Redbaiter did not say TDVM was paid to come on here.

    He said TVDM is a “paid handbag waver”.

    Huge difference .

    But the reef fish here will take a bite at anything Red says to dishonestly smear the guy.

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  84. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    now now, Jack. the spittle chinned Greg o Connor can explain all of that.

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  85. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    they resort constantly to lies and smears as the only defence they are capable of

    please … stop it … too much …

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  86. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Sorry MM – I went off playing the piano for a while – longest time awake ? I don’t know exactly how long the longest stretch would be. Fucking hell – forty hours ? It’s weird mate – you could start off say late evening Sat – and then hang on – it’s fucking Mon now mate – shit.

    Sleep is weird. That’s another weird thing when you think about it. In Italy they call it ‘little death’. With sleep it shares something in common with finality – you’re here one second, gone the next. I don’t always like that set-up so I just stay up until my eyes are heavy black holes and the Grim Sleeper reaps me.

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  87. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    criticism from the right

    Translation, for those of you who may be newish:

    “lies and gratuitous insults and abuse from El Guava, the resident Tauranga Harbour bridge toll protestor; legend in his own mind and complete non-entity.”

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  88. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    So DVM, I have to ask. Are you a paid shill from the National Party?

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  89. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “now now, Jack. the spittle chinned Greg o Connor can explain all of that.”

    Same Mark Benefield then Dom? lol When McCready produces all that historical stuff bang will go Benefield’s credibility.

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  90. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    Yup, jobs are the last thing South Taranaki and in particular Waverly and Patea need.
    //

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/seabed-mining-bid-rejected-6005686

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  91. stephieboy (3,054 comments) says:

    Boris Johnston is utterly scathing of Tony Blair trying to justify and rationalize the 2003 invasion of Iraq,

    “Blair’s Iraq invasion was a tragic error, and he’s mad to deny it.”

    “I have come to the conclusion that Tony Blair has finally gone mad. He wrote an essay on his website on Sunday (reproduced in the Telegraph) that struck me as unhinged in its refusal to face facts. In discussing the disaster of modern Iraq he made assertions that are so jaw-droppingly and breathtakingly at variance with reality that he surely needs professional psychiatric help.”

    A blatant attempt to rewrite history. Prior to the invasion there was not a an Al Qaeda presence and Sadaam the brutal tyrant he was not only had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks but there were also no Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    Boris Johnston goes on to note that wit the destruction of the institutions of authority Bush and Blair had little idea what to replace them.with There was little or no planning for the aftermath , nothing like e.g the reconstruction of post war Germany in 1945.With the departure of the coalition of the willing there was little in the way of government infrastructure and the whole law in order and machinery of government was in chaos.

    “The Iraq war was a tragic mistake; and by refusing to accept this, Blair is now undermining the very cause he advocates – the possibility of serious and effective intervention. Blair’s argument (if that is the word for his chain of bonkers assertions) is that we were right in 2003, and that we would be right to intervene again.”

    Boris Johnston concludes that because “we ” stuffed up in Iraq doesn’t mean Britain and the US cannot make the world a better place ,but the all important thing is to be honest about our failures as was the case in Iraq,

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10901651/Blairs-Iraq-invasion-was-a-tragic-error-and-hes-mad-to-deny-it.html

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  92. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    milky, the answer to that question lies in my question at 11.20 am.

    Put it another way, it is the opposite answer to that which you can be sure would be forthcoming from a blustering narcissistic idiot who fancies himself as being such a significant political voice that the beehive corridors echo to the fearful whispers of his name. A leader in waiting for the hordes of like-minded individuals who will sweep across the skies in the wake of Santa’s sleigh to impose a totalitarian regime where there is only one vote – his.

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  93. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    “thedavincimode (6,266 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 11:58 am
    they resort constantly to lies and smears as the only defence they are capable of

    please … stop it … too much …

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    You swing that bag boy,swing, swing ,swing!

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  94. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    I notice that the U.S claims they have finally captured one of the men they say led the attack on the consulate in Benghazi. How convenient – just before Hillary is due to appear in an interview on Fox TV. The feeling that I see expressed on many websites is that the U.S knew where this guy was all along, but couldn’t be bothered apprehending him. At one point he was sipping drinks at a hotel being interviewed by a reporter from CNN (who had his phone number!)

    “Witnesses and the authorities have called Ahmed Abu Khattala one of the ringleaders of the Sept. 11 attack on the American diplomatic mission here. But just days after President Obama reasserted his vow to bring those responsible to justice, Mr. Abu Khattala spent two leisurely hours on Thursday evening at a crowded luxury hotel, sipping a strawberry frappe on a patio and scoffing at the threats coming from the American and Libyan governments.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/world/africa/suspect-in-benghazi-attack-scoffs-at-us.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2&

    SO why now? I guess Obama needs a PR boost.

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  95. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    “The answer at 1120″ was no answer.

    TVDM repeated the lie ,about being paid to come on here> Red did not say that.

    So no answer! I suspect Red is onto something.

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  96. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    You swing that bag boy,swing, swing ,swing!

    kowtow

    I can see you’ve been working on that for a while – some of your best work. No doubt the reason you haven’t been here much lately.

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  97. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    I suspect Red is onto something.

    I fixed that for you this time kowtow, but try and be more careful in future.

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  98. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Being a bit evasive there, DVM. I wonder why?

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  99. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Jesus milky, don’t you start. :roll:

    It’s not evasive at all. It’s self evident.

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  100. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    “hedavincimode (6,269 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 12:21 pm
    You swing that bag boy,swing, swing ,swing!

    kowtow

    I can see you’ve been working on that for a while – some of your best work. No doubt the reason you haven’t been here much lately.”

    Did you dig that out of the handbag?

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  101. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Pfft.

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  102. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    swish

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  103. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Now that was a good one. Well done!

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  104. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Not keen on a straight answer, DVM?

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  105. Dom Knots (155 comments) says:

    lol. That’s bound to get a few assholes twitching in here, Jack. Cannot wait.

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  106. stephieboy (3,054 comments) says:

    Fletch, the whole Benghazi affair as your link tries to demonstrate goes back to the time the GOP tried to politicized right from the beginning and still continues to do so.

    Top Ten Republican Myths on Benghazi that Justify Hillary Clinton’s Anger

    http://www.juancole.com/2013/01/republican-benghazi-clintons.html

    As the Washington Post concludes ,

    “Because Benghazi cost precious American lives, it should be investigated carefully rather than politicized endlessly.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-benghazi/2013/05/16/3baac71c-bcd1-11e2-9b09-1638acc3942e_story.html

    This is what the the non partisan house committee did in Feb this year but it would not satisfy partisan Republicans

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  107. SGA (1,026 comments) says:

    thedavincimode at 12:16 pm

    milky, the answer to that question lies in my question at 11.20 am.
    Put it another way, it is the opposite answer to that which you can be sure would be forthcoming …

    Gotcha – I expose to all your real identity – Sir Humphrey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO, MA (Oxon)

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  108. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    SO why now? I guess Obama needs a PR boost.

    ♪… ♫…♪ … ♫

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  109. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

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    Compulsory super.
    Not at all super.
    Here’s Brian Toohey nailing it on the ‘Evil Empire':

    The money pours in each day, thanks to a combination of government compulsion, massively costly tax concessions and the misguided backing of key Labor and union leaders. The upshot of this assistance — far greater than the car industry enjoyed — is that Australia now has the world’s fourth biggest funds management industry, yet only the 12th largest economy.

    But the foundations of this empire are coming under a growing attack. Most criticism focuses on how the tax concessions create an expensive form of upper class welfare, while being of little value to most other people. The harmful effect of compulsory super’s artificial expansion of the finance sector is also attracting attention.

    Compulsion has another bad result. It distorts the flow of resources away from more productive uses. It encourages fund managers to trade existing financial assets rather than help mobilise capital for productive new investment to boost growth in a country with an ageing population.

    To its credit, Industry Super Australia, a group of funds run jointly by union and employer representatives, identified this problem in a report, Finance and Capital Formation in Australia, which it submitted to the current Murray inquiry into the financial sector. The report shows the sector overall is now nearly three times less efficient at utilising economic inputs to facilitate capital formation than before compulsorily super began. Likewise, a recent Reserve Bank study shows super funds made no discernable contribution to funding new investment in Australia’s mining boom between 2003 and 2012.
    http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=41519#.U6DgDig8q8D

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  110. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    Nah,Sir Humphrey was funny .

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  111. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    milky,

    reddyweddy has been making that accusation for 4 or 5 years now. Like everything he posts here, he pulled it out of his arse. Who am I to burst his bubble? The realisation that, aside from our host, nobody in Wellington has even heard of him, let alone gives a flying proverbial about him, would be too much to bear.

    So, I ask you, for the sake of what little remains of Russell’s emotional and mental health, stop pressing for an answer. Allow him some little shred of hope to cling to. He has little else.

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  112. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    @Stephie, even your female icon expresses some doubts: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/17/clinton-fox-news/

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  113. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    Not a straight answer.

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  114. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    That’s okay DVM, you treasure your anonymity, like many here. I really have no reason to believe Reddy about this; but he could be the proverbial stopped clock.

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  115. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Another win to the anti-progress brigade

    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/24263240/epa-rejects-trans-tasman-resources-application/

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  116. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    Kowtow says…
    “Not a straight answer.”

    Been use to that from Reddy for years !~

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  117. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    he could be the proverbial stopped clock

    In fact, he’s a stopped calendar: every day is the full moon.

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  118. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Thw White House can’t get their story straight. According to a classified email, Obama called Youtube during the attack. What’s more, the State Dept issued an apology earlier in the day for the video and for protests around a video before it had even happened! And before the CIA made any mention of a video.

    Can you believe this? So in the middle of an attack on Benghazi, the White House calls Google (we’re being asked to believe) to take down the video, because Google owns YouTube. Now, there’s a problem with this. You’re missing the point of all this if you look at it that way. Issa’s point is they have claimed all along — the White House has.

    The Regime has claimed all along that the CIA is who told them the attacks were due to the video. But the e-mails that claim the White House was on the phone with YouTube to get the video taken down occurred before the CIA ever said anything at the time. So Issa’s point is, from the beginning of this controversy to the present, the White House has said, “The CIA is who told us that a video on the Internet caused this.”

    The problem is, this e-mail that says the White House called YouTube to get the video taken down happened before the CIA told them that it was a video. That’s Issa’s point. Issa’s point is: You guys don’t have your story straight here. And they haven’t released this State Department memo, the e-mail to the State Department. Its still classified. Nobody’s seen it. We’re just hearing about what is supposedly in it.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/05/23/the_white_house_called_youtube_during_the_benghazi_attack

    “The e-mail shows the White House had hurried to settle on a false narrative — one at odds with the conclusions reached by those on the ground — before Americans were even out of harm’s way or the intelligence community had made an impartial examination of available evidence,” Issa said.
    Issa is calling on the White House to release an unclassified version of the document.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/white-house-contacted-youtube-during-benghazi-attack-darrell-issa-says/

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  119. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yeah, keep pursuing the Benghazi ‘scandal’. Makes a change from birtherism.

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  120. stephieboy (3,054 comments) says:

    Manolo,

    Thus this is how Fox and you interpret that Clinton” expresses some doubts “,

    Hillary Clinton, in a sit-down interview with Fox News, suggested Tuesday that she had doubts from the outset about whether the Benghazi terror attack was triggered by a protest over an anti-Islam film — though her State Department ended up pushing that narrative for days.

    “This was the fog of war,” Clinton said, when asked about the administration’s controversial public explanation of the attack.

    “My own assessment careened from the video had something to do with it, the video had nothing to do with it — it may have affected some people, it didn’t affect other people,” she said in the interview with Fox News’ Bret Baier and Greta Van Susteren.

    Clinton added: “There’s no doubt terrorists were involved.”

    And there is no doubt that it is not unreasonable to conclude that the Video to have some role in inspiring the protests which is different from saying it had absolutely no role as Fox,The Republican far right have consistently claimed ,

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05/30/fox-news-responds-to-excerpt-of-hillary-clinton/199518

    PS It is reasonable to ask what then actually inspired ( id not the video ) such a violent attack on the Embassy compound.?

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  121. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    kowtow: Although my parliamentary experience was limited, and with a minor party, I am pretty sure I can give you the “straight answer” re DVM, the supposed paid “Harrasser” of Red…All the parties have someone who watches the blogs…in fact good EA’s do it for their MP’s…but I believe I can say with certainty that National would not pay someone to comment here – or anywhere else – watch and listen is the brief…

    How’s that?

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  122. stephieboy (3,054 comments) says:

    Fletch, uh oh. I think you might be getting some poached eggs exploding in your face,

    Darrell Issa Sabotages His Party’s Benghazi Investigation ,

    “House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa brought to light a memo which undermines the Republican argument that the White House lied about the cause of the Benghazi attacks. ABC reports:
    A still-classified State Department e-mail says that one of the first responses from the White House to the Benghazi attack was to contact YouTube to warn of the “ramifications” of allowing the posting of an anti-Islamic video, according to Rep. Darrell Issa, the Republican chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
    The memo suggests that even as the attack was still underway — and before the CIA began the process of compiling talking points on its analysis of what happened — the White House believed it was in retaliation for a controversial video.
    And that undermines the argument that the White House knew otherwise and was purposely covering it up.

    The reason why this memo is important is because the foundation of the Republican claims of a Benghazi cover-up is based on the idea that the White House intentionally lied and blamed a YouTube video for the attack.
    White House officials are elated that Issa opened his mouth because the memo confirms what the administration has been saying all along. There is no conspiracy or cover-up. The intelligence community was concerned about the video even while the attack was still going on’

    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/05/darrell-issa-sabotages-his-party-s

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  123. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    DG

    You are a trained lawyer!

    Have a look at what Red said:

    “Its also why National sends its paid handbag swingers like TVDM here to attempt to ridicule me. Like all Marxists, they have no aversion to lies and deceit, and the thing they fear most of all is truth.”

    He did not say and didn’t even imply the guy was paid to come on here ,specifically, as you and others have made out.He said the guy is a paid handbag swinger, he did not say “he is paid to come on here”.

    Huge difference……and thehandbagmode steadfastly refuses to directly and honestly deny it. Is he afraid of being caught out in a lie?

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  124. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Youtube to start charging for playing music, or else is ad-supported.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10401363/YouTube-to-launch-Spotify-like-subscription-music-service.html

    The indie music labels won’t pay, so their videos will be removed.

    YouTube has revealed that it will begin culling music videos from independent record labels that have not agreed to the terms of its forthcoming subscription music service.

    While around 90 per cent of the music industry has signed up to the new licensing terms, the remaining 10 per cent are refusing to play ball, and will therefore be blocked from the platform ‘in a matter of days’, according to Kyncl.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10905937/YouTube-to-start-culling-indie-music-videos-within-days.html

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  125. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    A tad economic with your quotes there Kowtow

    Redbaiter (7,057 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 10:26 am
    “You really think DVM is paid to harass you? That’s some complex you have going on there, Reddy.”
    He’s one of Key’s media advisors. The prog idiots who Key employs to tell him what to do and say in his quest to stay popular. It sends him apoplectic to see his work being undone.

    Redbaiter (7,057 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 10:45 am
    “Now the poor old chap thinks the National Party PAY someone to come and ridicule him on blogs!”
    TVDM is on the Nat Party payroll as a media advisor to John key. He’s one of those who is working with Key to “modernise” the National party. IOW take it far from its Conservative founding principles and convert it into a Labour lite vehicle for Progressivism.
    Being responsible for Key’s media image,TDVM comes here to try and ensure his work in that area is not undone. You can quibble over whether that qualifies as getting paid to come here or not, but considering your frequent immunity to reason, I’m sure you’ll go on thinking whatever you want no matter what the facts are.

    David Garrett (5,815 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 11:03 am
    Red: I’ll play…how do you KNOW: 1) Who Mr Da Vinci is and 2) that one of his jobs is to monitor blogs for Mr Key?

    Redbaiter (7,057 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 11:07 am
    He admitted it long ago.

    thedavincimode (6,273 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 11:20 am
    He admitted it long ago.

    Lie. Straight out of the Marxist handbook – repeat it often enough and people will believe you. Only in your case, your fragile mental condition appears to have you believing it. But please don’t change!

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  126. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Has Cunliffe resigned yet – I see Armstrong this afternoon is questioning why he should remain as Labour Leader.
    He has lied re his involvement with Liu after ???not remembering?? his letter to Immigration in support of Liu’s New Zealand residency and later Citizenship.

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  127. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    Tricky dicky

    You are being economical .It starts at 1017 with reds “paid handbag’

    Then the reef fish attack with the “pay” angle.

    You lot are tedious in your obsession with the man and his every utterance.

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  128. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    kowtow: How, pray could Mr Da Vinci be “caught out in a lie” when he is using a pseud? Do tell…Yes, I am aware that computers have addresses (It’s how we caught Heather Roy boosting herself on here) but Red hasn’t suggested he know’s Mr Da Vinci’s…in fact he hasn’t offered any proof on anything he alleges…So far same same…

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  129. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    kowtow (7,279 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
    Tricky dicky
    You are being economical .It starts at 1017 with reds “paid handbag’
    Then the reef fish attack with the “pay” angle.

    And I started where you left off; Redbaiter responding directly to the “pay” angle
    But you are the one who turned it into a semantic argument by an appeal to a lawyer

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  130. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    Dicky; no appeal to a lawyer.Pointing out the bleedin’ obvious is what I was doing.And it’s not semantics at all.

    You lot are the ones being semantic,pedantic and down right dishonest.

    DG, Pseud or not.Handbagmode is being very evasive. That raises my suspicions.

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  131. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/know_your_enemy_know_he_wont_stay_in_iraq/

    A Bolt on ISIS.

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  132. mike tan (485 comments) says:

    Does anyone know how close the IP “Party Party” music tour comes to being a breach of electoral rules?

    It is dubious that anyone can learn about and become enthusiastic about politics while getting shitfaced. The usual “nz is down the drains in the drinking culture” suspects are surprisingly quiet on this strategy.

    I support increasing the turnout and hats off if it achieves that.

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  133. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    kowtow (7,281 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
    DG
    You are a trained lawyer!
    Have a look at what Red said:….

    kowtow (7,281 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
    Dicky; no appeal to a lawyer. …

    kowtow (7,281 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
    ….He did not say and didn’t even imply the guy was paid to come on here ,specifically, as you and others have made out.He said the guy is a paid handbag swinger, he did not say “he is paid to come on here”…..

    kowtow (7,281 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
    …And it’s not semantics at all….

    Some english words must have different meanings for you

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  134. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    ….”The usual “nz is down the drains in the drinking culture” suspects are surprisingly quiet on this strategy.”…..

    The crusty old farts who spend their dotage moaning about everything & everyone on this blog are unlikely to be worried Mike.

    Mind you, if there’s a whiff of marijuana around to condemn they’ll come out of the woodwork with indecent haste.

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  135. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    But kowtow, surely if I truthfully answered with an emphatic “no”, you wouldn’t believe me anyway.

    The fact that you see fit to buy into wussell’s preposterous and baseless allegation, one he made simply to make himself feel important and deserving of serious attention here and in Wellington, is your problem not mine. If you really think that I’m here under Key’s instructions, or the instructions of other party apparatchiks or, even less credibly, because anybody in the party either knows of redblather or even gives a flying proverbial about him, suggests that you might be more comfortable wearing a tin foil hat. I don’t even know Key or any of the apparatchniks.

    Redblather is a shameless narcissistic and delusional idiot, a hypocrite and a liar, a blustering bag of abusive hot air. Beyond that he’s nothing; a non entity living in his Walter Mitty fantasy land. Why would National, or any political party for that matter, waste any time on such a clown? I’m here for the sport and the humour – and the toll bridge protester certainly supplies plenty of humour.

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  136. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘I don’t even know Key or any of the apparatchniks.’
    I’ll take that as an outright, and believable, denial.

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  137. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Ah, but milky, how do you know I haven’t got a handler who leaves instructions for me on auto-destruct tape recordings hidden in the cracks of garden walls?

    Yes, that must be it …

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  138. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “I’ll take that as an outright, and believable, denial.”

    I don’t. He’s a coward and a liar who was previously quite happy to admit to his connections.

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  139. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “in fact he hasn’t offered any proof on anything he alleges…”

    Man you’re some kind of hypocrite Garret.

    The numerous allegations that you have made on here about where I live, what my circumstances are, what I do or have done for a living, what my name is, how old I am, all baseless lies and smears and all made in the same fashion as your odious coward comrade TDVM, without the slightest substantiation.

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  140. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    So where exactly is this admission reddy?

    I recommend the pompous dismissive approach and a refusal to waste your time on it. It’s the old stock standard but even now, it still can’t help but raise a chuckle.

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  141. mike tan (485 comments) says:

    Masturbater,

    I constantly see you referring to most everyone as liars, cowards and traitors, you describe New Zealand as some kind of dystopian hellhole. I have two questions:

    1) What are your ideas for reform?
    2) What is stopping you from moving to a state you like? I notice you talk about Singapore a lot.

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  142. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “But you are the one who turned it into a semantic argument by an appeal to a lawyer”

    Why don’t you just FO with your vicious and obsessive personal vendettas.

    You’re as bad as all of the other commies. Being less frequently a coward doesn’t make you any less of one.

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  143. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “Masturbater,”

    You can make tracks too clown. Leaving aside the above infantile insult (not the first), you’ve made it pretty clear in previous comments that you’re an ignorant and prejudiced political novice unlikely to be swayed by argument.

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  144. mike tan (485 comments) says:

    I originally typed out “Mr. Baiter”, but i couldn’t resist making the change :)

    I notice that you answered neither question. I am not really asking you for arguments sake, more out of genuine curiosity as to how your thought process works.

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  145. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “I recommend the pompous dismissive approach and a refusal to waste your time on it.”

    More hypocrisy from the same old pathological Dialectic Marxist.

    Since when have you or any of your wittering cowardly gang who make this forum such a disgrace ever substantiated just one of your frequent allegations about me?

    For example, where is your proof that I constantly commit the dishonesty of “logging into a proxy server” to uptick myself on Kiwiblog?

    There’s none, because I don’t and you made it up because you’re a lying psychopathic coward.

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  146. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    you’ve made it pretty clear in previous comments that you’re an ignorant and prejudiced political novice unlikely to be swayed by argument.

    Don’t worry reddy, a good blast of abusive bluster should get him back on the railroad tracks. Let’s face it, “argument” isn’t really your cup tea anyway.

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  147. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    richardx

    “Some english words must have different meanings for you”

    You’re an ignorant,arrogant prick aren’t you?

    Come on here ,pick on my “english” ,lower case e and fail to finish a sentence with a full stop. Correct your own “english” dicky!

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  148. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “Let’s face it, “argument” isn’t really your cup tea anyway.”

    Say the hypocrite who is only forced into hasty comments on other matters because you’re embarrassed about your uncontrollable obsession with Redbaiter, a sick psychotic illness that has festered in your tiny brain for years.

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  149. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Nice variation there; the dismissive red herring approach.

    Have you found that link yet? Because you would never lie would you russ?

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  150. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    The reinforcements have arrived. Don’t stop suddenly russ or poor old kowtow won’t be able to get his head out.

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  151. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    If you weren’t a grovelling Nat insider you would have had the demerits that others need to be careful of ten times over by now you vicious obsessive lying psychopath.

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  152. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    … yawn …

    Now you’re just being boring. Bye bye.

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  153. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    You’ll be back.

    You can’t help yourself you poor sick helpless bastard.

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  154. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    handbag

    “….won’t be able to get his head out’

    Good one coming from narskissers chief mutual arse licker.

    Reinforcements? Yep.You lot do act as pack dog attackers.Helps to keep the purity of progressive thought around here.

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  155. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Banned on Whaleoil for one reason really, and that was that I exposed Cameron Slater as an enthusiastic member of the Prog faction of the National Party, a group of infiltrators led by John Key who are intent on converting the party from its founding Conservative intent into a shallow and weak neo-Marxist model.”

    Have you thought that you might have been banned because your a bit of a dick? Not to mention your tendency to abuse people personally. Just a thought.

    So, I’m in for a bit of fun.

    Your not a Conservative Red.

    Conservatives read Augustine, Aquinas, Burke and Russell Kirk. Have you actually read any of those people? And I mean actual books, not the internet.

    Conservatives have goals and principles, but are not concerned with strict ideological purity. Your approach to that issue is straight out of the Marxist playbook.

    Conservatives try at least to treat people with respect and decency. Not always easy, especially on blogs, but they at least try, because doing so is part of what it means to be Conservative, to respect old fashioned values like politeness and manners.

    Conservatism, being pragmatic rather than ideological, does not shoot itself in the foot by attacking potential allies merely because they differ on a few points.

    Conservatives, at least reasonably educated ones, understand that there are differing traditions within Conservatism that don’t always agree or have the same concerns. For example it would be perfectly consistent with Continental European Conservatism to support a mixed economy with some welfare safety. It would be perfectly consistent with Catholic Conservatism to oppose corporate dominated capitalism and support Chestertonian Distributism.

    If you need me to explain what Chestertonian Distributism is, your likely not a Conservative.

    In short, while I may well agree with some of what you believe, perhaps even most, I don’t actually see any real Conservatism in your posts.

    Finally, some advice. When someone as Conservatism as I am thinks your a bit of a dick, you might want to re-think your rhetorical strategy.

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  156. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Kowtow, two Conservatives can beat off any attack from any number of cowardly vicious lying obsessive psychopaths like TDVM (and his brain dead Prog mates.) :)

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  157. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “Your (sic) not a Conservative Red.”

    How about you learn some basic grammar before coming over all patronising?

    Pathetic lecturing twerp.

    Why don’t you take your ill-informed superficial BS back to the limestone caves you came from?

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  158. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    New studies show that 70% of Atheists leave to become part of a religion later in life.
    Atheists have the lowest “retention rate” of any ‘religious’ group.

    But take a special look at that number at the bottom of the pile, yes the very bottom. Atheists “retain” only thirty percent of their “flock.” To quote the CARA blog: And if you think it is challenging to be a Catholic parent, try being an Atheist parent! Some 70% of Americans raised to believe God does not exist end up being a member of a religion as an adult (about one in five former Atheists drift off to become an open-minded agnostic or None).

    http://blog.adw.org/2012/07/did-you-know-that-atheists-have-the-lowest-retention-rate-of-any-religious-group-some-interesting-data-from-cara/

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  159. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    Red

    handbagmode claims he comes on here for sport and humour,n’arsekisser claims he only bags Christians for the rise.

    A pair of liars.

    Milky is a troll who makes up lies ,he was the first to make the PAY claim .

    Then they have a few parvenu ,like dickhead 10 and stigie ,who seem desperate to be part of the gang…..
    Fuck ‘em.

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  160. mike tan (485 comments) says:

    “Fuck ‘em”

    Spoken like a man of the book.

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  161. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Yep fuck ‘em.

    Just internet vermin without a decent argument among the lot of them.

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  162. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    oops

    I left tanny boy off my list of johnny come latelies looking for attention and acceptance from the KB prog gang.

    Easy membership criteria…….Redbaiter Obsessive Disorder.

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  163. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    R.O.D..

    Ha ha.. good one. :)

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  164. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Judith,Judith where are you?
    David didn’t kill his family and David Cunliffe never acted for the asian.
    Also youre not going to vote for labour.

    This is so weak,god you must be embarrassed,what a joke.

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  165. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    Been laughing all day reading all the abusive bluster and shit.

    You guys are fucking treasures to this blogg, please dont go away !~

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  166. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    :lol:
    Rock in pond.
    The ripples are still spreading
    kowtow the always faithful Myrmidon
    Stupid attracts stupid I suppose

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  167. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    “Stupid attracts stupid.”

    Is that why you’re a follower of the global warming cult.Can’t think of too many things more stupid than that…….other than a supposedly grown man’s attraction to the sacred herb…….

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  168. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Fetch everyone ever born starts as an atheist.
    In case you do not actually understand the term atheist means to have no faith In a higher being. A faith that comes from brainwashing kids from an early age.
    Your statistic is the pure twaddle we have come to expect from the god struck in particular the catholic cult of the god struck

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  169. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Yes kowtow I follow the findings of science not the crap Chinese whispers of ignorant goat herders from two thousand years ago.
    as I said stupid follows stupid
    what does the flesh of Christ taste like kow tow and do you really eat it every sunday? Two thousand year old dead meat must taste pretty fusty at best.

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  170. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    Talking of lies…..Al jazeera today covered a story from Senegal claiming “climate change refugees”.They claim rising sea levels…..with no evidence. There is evidence of poor environmental management ,over population and seasonal floods but not climate change.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/26/residents-flee-the-venice-of-africa-as-climate-change-drowns-city/

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  171. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    grief

    You’re all class…..

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  172. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Redtard Griff has been on the road since this mornings last post so how are the downs going?….. a drop of you alleged 4 ticks or are you just trying to project your fetish on me. Well bugger me with a dead mans transmogrified remains it made absolute no deference to you quotient of disapproval surprising eh.
    :lol:

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  173. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Kowtow- its amazing the number of brainwashed Marxists on here, claiming to be right wing and yet victims of the dialectic that says abuse only runs one way, from right to left and no leftist or progressive is ever capable of abusing a Conservative.

    Single cell brains if they’re lucky.

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  174. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Also note how ShawnLH the “Conservative” who throws his oar in with the Progs and Marxists, managed to get six ticks (so far). That’s 3 from Grief and 3 from Big Bigot.

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  175. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It’s amazing the number of deluded and bewildered individuals on here, claiming to represent truth and light and yet victims of their own failed ideologies that keep telling them that their particular prophets must be right.

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  176. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Butt out milky. Russell and kowtow are having a private moment.

    You too grief.

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  177. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Sorry to interrupt the love-fest.

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  178. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “Redtard Griff has been on the road since this mornings last post”

    Sure you have.

    Lies pour from you here like rain in a thunderstorm and you have the brainless expectation that a claim such as that is going to be accepted?

    FFS, get a life you silly boring self obsessed child.

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  179. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Oh, the smug simpering psychopath is back.

    Just like I said he would be.

    Look out for the whirling handbag.

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  180. stephieboy (3,054 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (7,073 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 4:54 pm
    Oh, the psychopath is back.

    Just like I said the pathetic madman would be.

    Rather weird coming from you.!

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  181. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    Red

    Funny those 6 ticks, especially how they’re inadvertently endorsing Augustine , Aquinas and Chesterton.

    I suspect they didn’t read the whole post.

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  182. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Grief makes a lot of noise for someone who is only 4′ 8″ in stilettos.

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  183. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    Have you taken Kowtow for a ride in your muscle car yet Reddy ?

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  184. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    Well I for one think we need to nurture and encourage this new ShawnLH guy. I suspect he will grow and develop into someone who delivers a lot of entertainment on these threads.

    The way he tried to engage Redbaiter in a pissing contest yesterday evening over who was the most right was quite funny. In case you missed it:

    Keep your insults to yourself boy. Unlike you I am not a pretender. Your likely a middle class Kiwi, and you can pretend to be a hardcore US style conservative till the cows come home but it doesn’t mean shit to me. I was born in the US, my family is from Southern Appalachia, that’s serious redneck country, and are hardcore Baptist conservatives. And I grew up in the US military as my dad was a twenty year navy man. And unlike you I am actually a conservative Christian. Some Kiwi pretender on a blog has not earned the right to say boo to me.

    The force is strong in this one, I will be watching his career with interest…

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  185. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    He’s also witnessed actual miracles, if not performed them himself.

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  186. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    ….”He’s also witnessed actual miracles”….

    That was bugger all….just some chick growing another hand as a result of prayer.

    Wait for the plague of frogs promised for the unbelievers. :)

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  187. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

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  188. mike tan (485 comments) says:

    Hi Redbaiter,

    Still waiting on those answers ;)

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  189. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Have you taken Kowtow for a ride in your muscle car yet Reddy

    Please be advised that jokes regarding Russell’s gear shift will be considered as being in good taste.

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  190. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    A moonlit night, the throb of a large V8, the scent of Vaseline lingering in the air! :)

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  191. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    Hell Nasska, i just cant imagine it !!~

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  192. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Vaseline? Et tu nasska?

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  193. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    stigie

    You are not a very convincing liar.

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  194. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    nasska@541 reminiscing about his first “encounter”.Vaseline seems to be a continual theme.

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  195. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (7,061 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
    “But you are the one who turned it into a semantic argument by an appeal to a lawyer”
    Why don’t you just FO with your vicious and obsessive personal vendettas.
    You’re as bad as all of the other commies. Being less frequently a coward doesn’t make you any less of one.

    Oh dear….I appear to have upset you by calling for facts and honesty where some repeat offenders tell blatant lies and make ludicrous claims which I notice during my occasional visits here. If there was evidence to support their claims I would not be able to point out the stupidity displayed
    As for the hypocrisy shown by calling others vicious and obsessive, I think enough readers are aware of your track record.

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  196. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    kowtow (7,291 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 3:21 pm
    richardx
    “Some english words must have different meanings for you”
    You’re an ignorant,arrogant prick aren’t you?
    Come on here ,pick on my “english” ,lower case e and fail to finish a sentence with a full stop. Correct your own “english” dicky!

    Seriously? Capitalisation and punctuation?
    That would be the most pathetic attempt to deflect attention away from having blatant lies exposed I have ever seen

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  197. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    There was an article a while back where the author mentioned that a banana a day will help keep your colon clean. For kowtow’s benefit I just wish they could’ve mentioned that you’re supposed to eat them…..

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  198. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    Griff (6,413 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 4:37 pm
    Yes kowtow I follow the findings of science not the crap Chinese whispers of ignorant goat herders from two thousand years ago.
    as I said stupid follows stupid
    what does the flesh of Christ taste like kow tow and do you really eat it every sunday? Two thousand year old dead meat must taste pretty fusty at best.

    It doesn’t help that the whole trendy science vs creationism battle that’s being played out in the media is quite infantile and few of the participants are really doing themselves any credit… I’ve never seen what I would consider evidence of a god, but I don’t believe my observations are enough to rule one out. Two of the most high-powered botany Ph.d students I knew when I was at Canterbury were quietly quite confident Anglican believers, they seemed to have no problem with the idea that scientific research is the process of finding out how the universe works, but for all we know it is all happening inside a jar in god’s fume cupboard… The creation story we know in the bible was an allegory written in terms that could be understood by civilization 2000 years ago, but if you were writing it down for the first time right now you’d probably use different characters and different language!

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  199. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    ….”Vaseline? Et tu nasska?”….

    Nah….I’ve left it too late to change Davinci.

    But when it comes to our conservative friends who am I to stand in the way of true love? :)

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  200. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    “You are not a very convincing liar.”

    You would’nt hear that coming from Reddys lips TDVM !~

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  201. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    This is unbelievable. A 13-year-old U.S boy in school is twirling his pencil (like kids used to do in my class, although I could never do it) and another kid says it looks like he is making it a gun. The kid gets pulled out of class, taken for psychiatric testing (against the wishes of his father), and now is being threatened with being adopted out if his father does not agree to more tests (because not agreeing to tests is tantamount to “abuse” or “neglect”).

    The government is threatening to put 13-year-old Ethan Chaplin up for adoption. Chaplin was forced to undergo a battery of physical and psychological tests after a bully yelled out “he’s making gun motions, send him to juvie” because Chaplin was twirling a pencil.

    Although the school backed off and allowed Ethan back into school, the New Jersey Department of Children and Families disagreed.

    The thelibertarianrepublic.com reports, “Ethan’s father, Michael Chaplin, got on the Department’s bad side when he initially refused to take his son to be physically and psychologically tested. Michael relented after the Department sent the family an ominous letter labeling Michael’s noncompliance ‘an incident of abuse or neglect.'”

    After the tests concluded with a clean bill of health for Ethan, the DCF sent another letter threatening that if Ethan were not taken in for more tests, his parents would forfeit their parental rights and the state would put Ethan up for adoption.

    “All I can do is keep fighting, keep telling the truth and (keep) presenting the evidence. That is all I can do and hopefully the state does the right thing,” Michael said.

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/pencil-twirling-boy-adoption-because-government-says-so

    What is America coming to? Hard to know what to say about it.
    It seems like the things we should be concerned about are being let go, or Ok’d by society, and the little things that don’t really matter are being made such a huge deal of and being blown all out of proportion.

    As the Bible says, “You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.”.

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  202. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Fetch everyone ever born starts as an atheist.”

    Griff you know this is total bollocks, so why repeat it?

    “Yes kowtow I follow the findings of science”

    No you don’t, unless it’s convenient to your argument. No science on earth says that people are born atheists, and serious studies from hotbeds of fundamentalism like Oxford University show that spirituality is natural in children. So you will ignore that science because it does not fit your Atheist religion.

    Any other lies you wanna drag out tonight?

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  203. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Lee01/shawnlh has radically changed over his time at KB.

    .Red Really you can tell where I have been from your porch in the nursing home in tauranga .
    Waipipi Franklin county via pukekohe to motorway/ waikato expressway turn off at 1b down all the way to Cambridge, :wink: Marshall you are a sweetie thanks and sorry about the dog fur. with a detour to the tractor guy at cnr jew rd gt south rd hoptu for 2Xgear lever boots for a 35 and one rocker cover gasket for a tea.

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  204. mike tan (485 comments) says:

    “No you don’t, unless it’s convenient to your argument. No science on earth says that people are born atheists, and serious studies from hotbeds of fundamentalism like Oxford University show that spirituality is natural in children. So you will ignore that science because it does not fit your Atheist religion.

    Any other lies you wanna drag out tonight?”

    Citation please.

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  205. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “How about you learn some basic grammar before coming over all patronising?”

    Oh no, a grammer Nazi! I’m sunk! :)

    Yeah, that’s a strong comeback! :)

    “Why don’t you take your ill-informed superficial BS back to the limestone caves you came from?”

    So thats a no on the question of reading books then. :)

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  206. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Yip if you bring up a child with wolves they don’t worship gods shawnlh/lee01
    The default is non belief.
    If you think otherwise that’s just an extension of your personal delusions
    One god and thousands of belief systems
    only one can be right
    the odds are they are all wrong…

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  207. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Shawn

    Instead of handpicking the studies that suit your weird religion why not try out Occam’s Razor?

    The reason youngsters soak up the pap is that they are gullible & haven’t developed natural defences against being brain washed.

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  208. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Citation please.”

    A three-year international research project, directed by two academics at the University of Oxford, finds that humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife.

    http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_stories/2011/110513.html

    Boston University Study Examines the Development of Children’s Prelife Reasoning

    Evidence suggests our hard-wired belief in immortality may be the root of core religious beliefs

    http://www.bu.edu/news/2014/01/27/boston-university-study-examines-the-development-of-childrens-prelife-reasoning/

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  209. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Shawn, Instead of handpicking the studies”

    Translation: “Shawn, instead of citing serious University studies that contradict my Atheist beliefs, please take seriously my opinion about brainwashing…..” :)

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  210. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Yip if you bring up a child with wolves they don’t worship gods shawnlh/lee01″

    And the study that shows this to be the case is…….?

    Terribly inconvenient thing that pesky science! :)

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  211. mike tan (485 comments) says:

    This is your smoking gun?

    “Children were asked whether their mother would know the contents of a box in which she could not see. Children aged three believed that their mother and God would always know the contents, but by the age of four, children start to understand that their mothers are not all-seeing and all knowing. However, children may continue to believe in all-seeing, all-knowing supernatural agents, such as a god or gods”

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  212. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Spirituality
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Not to be confused with Spiritualism.
    Part of a series on
    Spirituality

    traditionally spirituality has been defined as a process of personal transformation in accordance with religious ideals. Since the 19th century spirituality is often separated from religion, and has become more oriented on subjective experience and psychological growth. It may refer to almost any kind of meaningful activity or blissful experience, but without a single, widely-agreed definition.

    Nope not proof of a god or a religions existence
    Griff has had a “spiritual experience” when alone at night 500nm for the nearest land.
    Not a god involved just the entire universe and one puny meaningless man bobbing around in twenty tonnes of concrete.

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  213. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Shawn

    When you live in a cupboard under the stairs with a candle & a Bible it is hard for you to get a 3D view of the crap you push. The studies you cite are only one small contribution to the question. For instance:

    ….”A leading neurologist at the University of Oxford said this week that recent developments meant that science may one day be able to identify religious fundamentalism as a “mental illness” and a cure it.

    During a talk at the Hay Literary Festival in Wales on Wednesday, Kathleen Taylor was asked what positive developments she anticipated in neuroscience in the next 60 years.

    “One of the surprises may be to see people with certain beliefs as people who can be treated,” she explained, according to The Times of London. “…..

    Ref: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/30/leading-neuroscientist-religious-fundamentalism-may-be-a-mental-illness-that-can-be-cured/

    At least future generations may be able to be cured of the garbage that was instilled into their barely formed minds. :)

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  214. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_stories/2011/110513.html

    dear dear did you read and more than that did you understand the link shawn

    Just because we find it easier to think in a particular way does not mean that it is true in fact. If we look at why religious beliefs and practices persist in societies across the world, we conclude that individuals bound by religious ties might be more likely to cooperate as societies. Interestingly, we found that religion is less likely to thrive in populations living in cities in developed nations where there is already a strong social support network.’

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  215. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    I don’t recall that ShawnLH has appeared here lecturing and hectoring all and sundry about his spiritual beliefs. That’s his bag – fine – just as it is for the other GBs who quietly go about their business.

    If my recollection is correct, then he presents himself in stark contrast to the hypocritical and sanctimonious faux GBs who live their lives as a lie. You know who you are kowtow. As such, I don’t think he deserves to be ridiculed for something that is no doubt and a core element of his being.

    If my recollection is incorrect, then by all means stick the boot in!

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  216. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    ….”If my recollection is incorrect, then by all means stick the boot in!”…..

    The boots going in Davinci…..in his previous KB incarnation he was “Lee01″. :)

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  217. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Lee01?????

    Does redblotter know?

    Kick him where it counts nasska :)

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  218. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Two men were sitting next to each other at a bar.

    After a while, one guy looks at the other and says, “I can’t help but think, from listening to you, that you’re from Ireland”

    The other guy responds proudly, “Yes, that I am”

    The first guy says, “So am I. And where about from Ireland might you be?”

    The other guy answers, “I’m from Dublin , I am.”

    The first guy responds, “Sure and begorah, and so am I. And what street did you live on in Dublin?”

    The other guy says, “A lovely little area it was. I lived on McCleary Street in the old central part of town.”

    The first guy says, “Faith & it’s a small world, so did I. So did I. And to what school would you have been going?”

    The other guy answers, “Well now, I went to St. Mary’s of course.”

    The first guy gets really excited and says, “And so did I. Tell me, what year did you graduate?”

    The other guy answers, “Well, now, let’s see, I graduated in 1964.”

    The first guy exclaims, “The Good Lord must be smiling down upon us! I can hardly believe our good luck at winding up in the same bar tonight. Can you believe it, I graduated from St. Mary’s in 1964 my own self.”

    About this time, Vicky walks into the bar, sits down, and orders a beer. Brian, the bartender, walks over to Vicky, shaking his head & mutters, “It’s going to be a long night tonight”

    Vicky asks, “Why do you say that, Brian?”

    “The Murphy twins are drunk again.”

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  219. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    nasska

    Would that withering broadside ( :roll: ) from the old duffer be his first “blue on blue”?

    Friendly fire surely has to be the worst way to go.

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  220. SGA (1,026 comments) says:

    thedavincimode at 7:55 pm

    Lee01?????
    Does redblotter know?
    Kick him where it counts nasska

    To be fair, Shawn’s toned it down a lot – a couple of months or so ago there was more of the –

    Yet here we have the atheist mind unmasked; violent, hateful, psychopathic, racist.

    Atheism is a mindless cult let by intellectually dishonest charlatans like Dawkins.
    …[snip]…
    Most atheists are emotionally stunted psychopaths, Griff being a perfect example.

    going on – so credit where credit is due.

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  221. Monique Angel (291 comments) says:

    Nice one re twin joke.

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  222. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    I’ll be watching closely Davinci…..it could be heralding a new phase of his decline. :)

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  223. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    No one in here better be making any jokes about Fred Phelps’ death

    God hates gags.
    —-
    Standing in the middle of all the destruction after a major natural disaster which took a large number of lives and saying “I just thank god that he answered my prayers and saved me”

    Is a bit like saying thanks to the big black man who just viciously anal rapped you for pulling out and coming on your back.
    —-
    As an atheist, I don’t believe in 2700 different gods.

    If you are christian, Jew or Muslim, you don’t believe in 2699 different gods.

    Nice to know that “religious” people are almost like me!
    —-
    To me, a person’s belief in God is like a person’s bowel movements.

    I don’t care if they have it, but I’d appreciate it if everybody kept it to themselves.

    Looking for morality in the bible is like searching your shit for sweetcorn.
    Of course, you may find some , but is it really worth it ?

    How many atheists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

    Two. One to do it, and one to film it so that religious fundamentalists can’t claim God did it.

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  224. SGA (1,026 comments) says:

    Now, now, Griff. Play nicely.

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  225. big bruv (13,887 comments) says:

    Shawn

    ” instead of citing serious University studies that contradict my Atheist beliefs”

    Serious Science based studies or those undertaken by the religious faculty?

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  226. SGA (1,026 comments) says:

    big bruv at 8:33 pm

    Serious Science based studies or those undertaken by the religious faculty?

    Can’t remember, but from last time Shawn brought this up I think the problem was that you could just as easily say that kids have trouble distinguishing fact from fantasy, or reality from make believe. So what’s true for “spirituality” also holds true for “Santa” (in a manner of speaking). Not sure what it tells you really. Shawn will jump in if I’ve misremembered, I’m sure.

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  227. big bruv (13,887 comments) says:

    SGA

    I’m still trying to work out how he can claim that we are all born religious.

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  228. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    Watching John Key and Helen Klark together on the news tonight, my dear sweet wife said John Key
    looked prettier than Helen…..I was horrified of course !~

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  229. Johnboy (16,533 comments) says:

    Your missus isn’t a dyke then stigie? :)

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  230. SGA (1,026 comments) says:

    @big bruv
    I’m not going out to bat for him on that. I suppose if children are, in general, more likely to accept the supernatural as “real”, and religion is about the supernatural, then children are born more “religious”. But, I suspect that’s not the perspective Shawn would take?

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  231. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Pretty much what every sports interview after a match sounds like –

    http://x.co/4rpH5

    :lol:

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  232. Johnboy (16,533 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/10171460/Keas-make-pests-of-themselves-in-beach-town-Kaiteriteri

    Bastard’s gone to the beach for his holiday! :)

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  233. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    Thats for me to know and you to find out JB, thirteen years younger, im blessed.

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  234. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    Got a bach in Kaiteriteri, that Kea bastard has been ripping all the sealant off around fittings on the roof area.

    Permission to shoot the bastard ?

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  235. Johnboy (16,533 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVABo5XByQ

    Pillow talk with stigie and wife! :)

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  236. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    Hes a fine man that Blackadder JB, no matter how young his wife is !!

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  237. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    “thedavincimode (6,296 comments) says:
    June 18th, 2014 at 7:42 pm
    I don’t recall that ShawnLH has appeared here lecturing and hectoring all and sundry about his spiritual beliefs. That’s his bag – fine – just as it is for the other GBs who quietly go about their business.

    If my recollection is correct, then he presents himself in stark contrast to the hypocritical and sanctimonious faux GBs who live their lives as a lie. You know who you are kowtow. As such, I don’t think he deserves to be ridiculed for something that is no doubt and a core element of his being.

    If my recollection is incorrect, then by all means stick the boot i”

    You don’t know how I live my life,so go fuck yourself.

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  238. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    You don’t know how I live my life,so go fuck yourself.

    wanna know what the holy bible says

    bejesus said
    Matthew 5:39
    Luke 6:29
    If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them.
    Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary

    5:38-42 The plain instruction is, Suffer any injury that can be borne, for the sake of peace, committing your concerns to the Lord’s keeping. And the sum of all is, that Christians must avoid disputing and striving. If any say, Flesh and blood cannot pass by such an affront, let them remember, that flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God; and those who act upon right principles will have most peace and comfort.

    Blatant hypocrite

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  239. SGA (1,026 comments) says:

    kowtow at 9:26 pm

    You don’t know how I live my life,so go fuck yourself.

    True – we are left to extrapolate from how you choose to act here, and that, as you imply, may all be some interesting fabricated persona.

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  240. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Just got off phone from school friend who is a reporter in Auckland and we were discussing the David Cunliffe debacle.
    He told me the firm he works for are working late tonight trying to verify a story regarding David Cunliffe that has been circulating since late last night that will literally finish him.
    He wouldnt elaborate ,but said its not the letter showing he lied.
    He said ,if true hes gone and he believes hes gone anyway.

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  241. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    For those of you keeping score – 22 45 hours Tues – until at least this post. 01 40 Thurs. That’s every last minute of Weds. Despite the best efforts of the deathly boring yawnmaker comments from the recently returned tropical fruit salad with cream dip.

    28 hours – hmmmm – it’s a fair few.

    goldnkiwi – exactly – I’m on casino time. But with sleep as in life – the house always wins in the end.

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  242. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Sorry Who?
    A South Auckland ‘Gangsta Rapper’ seems to think he can bring down the Government…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11276730

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  243. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Latest Fairfax IPSOS poll

    – National 56.5% (+8.9)
    – Labour 23.2% (-6.2)
    – Greens 11.9% (-0.8)
    – NZ First 3.2% (-0.5)
    – Mana 1.2% (+0/7)
    – Maori Party 0.7% (-1.2)
    – Act 0.7% (-0.2)
    – United Future 0% (-0.1)

    Internet-MANA combined – 2.1%

    This poll seems to be and overreaction and would normally be expected to come back into line later but polling was complete before yesterday’s news on Cunliffe and Liu.

    http://origin-interactives.stuff.co.nz/polling/
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10174778/Poll-shows-Labours-support-plummeting
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10174798/Dismal-poll-adds-to-woes-for-Labour

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  244. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Griff’s hero, the crook Al Gore, continues to peddle his crap: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-turning-point-new-hope-for-the-climate-20140618?print=true

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  245. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Thanks manolo Fat yank Gore is not my hero but that was very interesting .
    I will post some excerpts on today’s general debate.
    :lol:

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  246. deadrightkev (468 comments) says:

    What is going on with Whaleoil?

    Slater blocks commenters if they disagree with his line of thinking. I thought a blog was somewhere that you went to debate and dissent?

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  247. Aussie Aussie Aussie (22 comments) says:

    If diversity is such an imperative, why don’t we push it in…..?

    How about China and Israel?

    There is only one race they set out to Destroy in al this
    it is the White one
    and white Christianity with it

    That has always been the objective

    The Viking Wars were about destroying Christianity and enslaving white people
    it was planned then
    it is being planned now

    Time to wake up to their real objective

    White people are the way they are because other races
    have been trying unsuccessfully to eradicate them for thousands of years

    Look up the White Slave trade

    White people were enslaved once for a longer period than Negroes
    but who do we go for compensation on that one?

    that is what why diversity is such an imperative

    and when they are all killing each other (like they are in Iraq now)

    they will try and blame the remaining white people for failing to rush in and stop it

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